/swg/ Breaking New Ground Edition

>>53005875
When are Disney actually going to give us a good Star Wars movie?

>>53006251
Probably never. RO and TFA showed us they're more than willing to go the Marvel route and keep cranking out film after film with just the bare minimum amount of effort put into them relying on brand recognition and exploiting this recognition in order to get their money.

I've been told that Star Wars D20 makes a pretty good generic sci-fi system. Could I use it to run a sword and planet game or is the force to integral to the system?
Would it be better to use the FFG games?

How can I make a bounty hunter nemesis memorable?

I'm going to be buying a small/medium sized fleet for x wing with the intention of tournament play. I've played once, years ago, but for excited about it when I saw the black sun viper was a model.

Can any one recommend me a good black sun fleet to put together? I hear viper are very expensive points wise but I'm determined to at least have one or two

>>53006986
If you are dead set on running a Viper there used to be a competitive build using Guru, Palob and Manaroo. Don't know how it is since the Manaroo need tho.

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>>53006251

I thought that TFA was okayish. I just kind of wish they did their own thing instead of try to reshoot ANH to appease the "Prequels ruined my childhood" crowd. The shot of the castle with all the aliens felt like a desperate attempt, though I mean I kinda like that they went the practical route.

My biggest concern was like, it seemed they had thrown all the OT and prequel aliens out the window, and my biggest fear is we will never see a zabrak or twi'lek (in live action) again.

There WAS a twi'lek hologram in RO but that seemed to be it.

My only issue with RO was the fact that it seemed to be at 6 places at once at the start and was jumping all over the place

Jeddha city was cool though

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>>53006902
Shamelessly rip off Hideo Kojima.

>>53005875
Another bait image, grow up OP
>>53006251
TLJ
>>53006390
Fuck off punk

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>tfw still no movie from the imperial side
>tfw the last game to let you play a campaign as an imperial was nearly 11 years ago

>>53006902
Make him do impresive shit. Make him treating and dangerous. He knows shit. And more important he knows how yo blow shit up

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>>53007317
>tfw I am an emo scum edgelord

>>53007317
EAfront 2 is coming Hux, clam down.

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>>53006902
Make him a memorable species like a squib

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>>53007317
EAfront 2 looks like it's going to be an Imp campaign. Shame that it's about some secret squirrel Wraith Squadron imitator commando team, though. I would have liked a story about regular grunts doing regular grunt things.

>>53005875

I like how RLM built their brand on Star Wars but now shit on it constantly.

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>>53007333
>>53007356
>half the fanbase is emo scum edgelords or huxes

>>53007374
Just a bit of banter, cool yer jets and your genocide laser.

>>53007423
There are no brakes on the genocide laser, anon. Just when you think it's time to take a break, new baby wookies appear out of nowhere.

What's your favorite kind of trooper, anons?

>>53007367
I'm not a marine, but this is exactly how my last leave went, with my girlfriend's family.
It's reassuring how grunts are the same no matter which country they belong to.

>>53007317
X-wing vs. TIE-fighter sequel never.
Fuck this gay world.

Did anyone else watch the BF2 panel at Celebration? I really dun like the host whoever he was lol.

"So what you're saying is for the FIRST TIME EVER we get to play as the Empire?"

Wew lad

>>53007317
>wanting to play as the Nazis

>>53007525

Damn, a new XwvTf game with current-gen graphics would be hella.

>>53007579
Literally nothing wrong with wanting to play as a fictional bad guys.

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>>53007579
To be fair, the gorillion different trooper flavors look cool as fuck and the Empire has excellent taste in firearms. Sterlings and MG34s are sexy, sexy machines.

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I will be running an EOTE session for my wife and another couple, this weekend. Husband of the couple has played D&D a few times many years ago , but that is it. My wife and his wife have never played a TTRPG. What adventure should I run for them? I don't want to do beginner box, as the adventure is kind of boring. Any downloadable modules or modules to purchase that you would recommend?

Thanks /b/

>>53007525
Dark Troopers Phase 0,2, and 3, Death Troopers and the unique-helmet Storm Commandos are all good, as are Space Troopers and certain kinds of rebel troopers (The Scarif 'Namtroopers and the Rebel Strike white-armored teal flightsuits come to mind.)

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>>53007654
Let's post weapons what wouldn't look out of place in SW.
Scopes are mandatory.

>>53007579
>wanting to play as the terrorists.

Only the CIS is pure of heart in this galaxy.

>>53007579
>muh six billion alderanians

>>53006639
Honestly, now that starfinder is out, you may as well go with that instead of doing all the nasty conversions from SWD20.

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>>53006639
please respond

>>53007859
>>53007890
Oh, thanks.

>>53006390
>people still think TFA was trash because of lucasfilm and not because bob iger needed his cake NOW DAMNIT NOW and it was churned out as fast as humanly possible

>>53006986
So if you pick up Mist Hunter and Most Wanted, you could do something like this:

Guri (37 points)
Lone Wolf, Virago , Autothrusters, Cloaking device.

Guri can be run like this as your flanker, with a base 5 evade dice and autothrusters and a lone wolf reroll, if something manages to shoot at you, you should be fine. The main point of Guri in this list is to bait your opponent into ignoring the scout though so watch out for trip defenders or double-tap defenders, which can strip tokens and have a better dial.

Zuckuss (33 points)
Outmaneuver, 4-Lom,Mist Hunter, Tractor Beam

If you find that your opponent focus fires on one of your ships you can use Zuck to peel them off.

If your opponent has low agility ships, you can let them pretend the extra evade dice that they roll matters.

If you find that you like having the cloaking device card at all, you might want this ship.

Contracted Scout (30 points)
Predator, Greedo, Overclocked R4

Contracted scout exists solely for the purpose of sweeping up after the other two but with Greedo, you can really lay into high hull ships.

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>>53007813
Russian experimental weapons are a massive blaster fetish fuel.

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>>53007813
No scope, but the Madsen LAR would look sexy as fuck if it got blasterized.

>>53007909
Yeah, I didn't mean to take a shit on your hopes there bud but SWd20 is a rough system, even moreso than SAGA.

>>53000507
Reminder that lot of people that made up the leadership of the Empire were actually from the Republic. Quite a lot of military officers stuck around, very few defected. Likewise with even Senators.

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>>53006251
>>53007218
TFA's desperation to be The New New Hope killed me in the theater. Being "creative" by giving the OT a bland modern blockbuster overhaul, plot and all, soured the whole movie with a taste of cynicism.

R1's editing was clearly responsible for killing the pacing, particularly during the first half, but I could honestly sit down and enjoy it for what it was. It built sideways onto the mundane side of the OT setting instead of copypasting it, and managed to add some cool background material in the process and a glorious fucking space battle, after years of JJ-style resolution of naval combat through fistfights and namecalling.

I'm just afraid we've set a precedent for honest original content being sidelined in place of a decade of OT wanking.

>>53007571
Video games didn't exist before DICE, silly anon.

>>53008135
I really love how people think that changing government means totally replacing everything it comes with.

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I like R1 and TFA despite their flaws.

I just like Star Wars and I don't care if they make a million movies, Marvel-style.

>>53008335
I disagree, but it is good that you can still enjoy such things instead of becoming bitter and twisted like me.

>>53007372
They built their brand with explaining why the prequels were badly made.

They call out pandering.

>>53006986
The Starviper is a notoriously bad ship, but Guri is a pretty good pilot.

In addittion, Mindlink is an EPT that isknown for making any garbage flyable.

Besides the Starviper, are there any ships that interest you?

>>53008335

Pretty much same here.
I havent really re-watched TFA much, i liked it but didnt love it.
But Rogue One got me good.

Im actually kinda happy for them to do a Marvel style Star Wars bonanza.
Maybe we'll get some fucking live action TV shows about X-Wing pilots or Resistance agents or something.
I can hope

>>53007571
>What is the original battlefront 2

Color me surprised that the hype machine doesn't do its research before interviews, cautiously optimistic for the game though

>>53008623
explaining *opinions they had on the prequels that made them believe they were shit that ruined star wars 5ever contradicted by conversations i've had with literal children

>>53008687
Honestly don't know the ships for that faction well. I'm looking through the catalogue now for something that would aesthetically fit with the black sun look.

>>53007372
...Are you retarded? They built their brand on shitting on the prequels for being bad, and now shit on the sequels for being bad. If this is at all a confusing transition, you might be the ideal Disney fanboy.

>>53008016
That sounds pretty interesting! I like the idea of a smaller "elite" fleet as well

>>53009096
>defending the prequels shittiness
Just because Disney managed to show us a whole new world of garbage doesn't make Attack of the Clones not-shit.

>>53005875
>All the OP images are bait now

Is this how /pfg/ happened?

>>53009257
>big meanie bait
>not an accurate meme
kys

>>53009257
This is in fact exactly what happened to pathfinder general, there was a constant discussion about something cancerous and then a very dedicated man began ensuring every OP image played into that topic.

>>53009108
Scum is a bit of an oddity of a faction. They have both the best and the worst ships.

Honestly though, guri is likely going to cost ~37-45 points, and you get 100 to workwith.

Just start listing shit that you think is cool, and I can help you make a list with it.

We know that a Starviper-buffing-pack is coming out soon though.

>>53009329
Just because you agree with someone doesn't mean it's not bait. This is clearly a concerted effort by one anon to permanently fuck /swg/ like >>53009342
is describing. We are doomed

>>53009342
>>53009387
>implying a general will be permanently fucked because of a meme
>implying no one agrees with the meme here
>implying
>>>>

>>53009387
Ignore, report, and post about other shit.
>>53009433
Fuck off back to /tv/ or /co/ or whatever other shithole board you came from. RLMfags and the other side of the argument are both fucking cancer.

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>>53005875

What are some interesting ideas for anti-Empire extremists/extremist groups like the Partisans?

>>53009433
It's less that I fear for the soul of /swg/ and more that I find it obnoxious as shit.

>>53009493
I'm sorry you have shit taste, kiddo, but you're talking to multiple people.

>>53009516
Leftovers from the CIS could be interesting, since they are probably less high-minded then your typical bleeding heart Chandrillan. Otherwise a breakaway governor in some far-off region could make for an interesting imperial antagonist

>>53009547
>I come to /tg/ to talk about movies
>you're the ones with shit taste!

K

>>53009516
I had an idea that I never got to implement of a force tradition who's power of note was long range communication, almost obsolete in the Star Wars universe except for the fact it's all but untraceable. So the idea was for this sect or someone copying there notes, the idea was never fully developed to be retaliating against the Empire by reaching out to the void, finding young force-sensitves and convincing them that blowing themselves up on public transport was a good idea.

It was going to be a case in an ISB campaign I was planning.

>>53009620
>Blowing up force sensitives

I get the "rationale" behind suicide bombers but when are already rare as fuck this sounds like a bad strategy

>>53009516
The Alliance to Restore the Republic.

>>53009553
This, I've always loved toying with random pockets of CIS hold-outs, similiar to the Japanese hold-outs in the Pacific. Just entire battalions of droids whose Munificent went down onto some uncharted moon and who have either been corroding and deteriorating as the years pass or who are freshly awoken by the party or some conflict that comes with them, still believing themselves to be in the midst of the Clone Wars who see stormtroopers as their programmed foe.

>>53009647
Sounds the dude's idea was to make them more of an apocalyptic doomsday cult than any sort of sensible rebellion. A couple of sages on some isolated moon, reaching out and propelling innocents into getting revenge for what happened in the purges.

>>53009573
>expects a Star Wars thread to never discuss the moives
lel

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>>53009665

>>53009647
Like I said I never developed the idea, I guess you could have them forming cells and building remote devices. Having them do remotes would also be better narrativity because you then have the section where you hunt down the bombers.

>>53009695
>expects a Star Wars thread to never discuss the movies

I just don't trust, with experience, that it won't devolve to solely "discussing" (aka shouting about this or that youtuber) about the movies. It's the same shouting match a thousand times

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>>53006902
Don't introduce him as an enemy, at first. Instead, have his introduction be more meaningful.

The next time your characters are in a cantina, have them bump into a big, tough customer sort of guy. He snarls at them, and it's clear that they don't want to fight - this guy is dangerous.

A few minutes later, the bounty hunter in question walks in, calls his name out, and faces him down. Before the target can pull out his own blaster, the bounty hunter brutally kills him.

Now your characters have seen him in action, seen that he's dangerous, and are glad that they're not facing him... until the next time they see him, and he says their names.

>>53009573
>>53009754
That sounds like a (You) problem, because if it's Star Wars related feel free as fuck to discuss it here. Quit bitching when the topic isn't one you want, or at least make posts and get your topic in rather than just BAWWWing about how those pesky /tv/ /co/ conspiring crossposting bogeymen are killing the general.

>>53009754
Then I have to ask if you are retarded. RLM is nothing new to /swg/ and yet, surprise surprise, we're two Disney films in, and the threads are still going without being the... what, /tv/-colony you expect them to become?

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Is there some reason RLM is coming up more lately? This is the second thread thumbnailed with them that I've seen in two days.

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>>53009718
This I'd buy. Especially if it involved best terrorist

>>53008144

Yeah that's what it was. I'm hoping that they've learned their lesson and TLJ will be fantastic.

Just one OT or prequel alien besides fucking chewey even a god damn Dug or a gungan come on Disney.

Man I wish there was a gungan rebel in the Scarif surface fight. That'd be bombad

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>>53008335

Same, desu. I just love Star Wars. Though I do see the flaws. But really, I can see the flaws easily in every single franchise that I love.

Doctor Who had its crappy writing, TFA had nostalgia stuffed into it in order to safely appease Plinkett and his hordes (I'm not even sure what he thought of it and I'm afraid to find out), 40k is well, it's 40k lol.

There's a flaw in everything and if you love something you should point out the flaws so that they can fix the shit lol. If that makes sense.

That said, anyone here ever play Star Wars Galaxies? I had heard Starsider was the major RP server. I was a bit of an annoying that guy at the time but damn, if I could play anything (in any SWRPG in general) I'd play a veteran clone.

>>53009823
I have always wanted to have a bunch of "Dooku was right" people appear in my game as obnoxious students or death squads or obnoxious students turned death squads.

>>53009908
>Doctor Who
We're in the same boat senpai, I just love Star Wars.

How do you like Bill? I think she's fun. New series is off to an okay start, excepting perhaps that last one it was a little self-congratulatory for my tastes.

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For those who have made it all the way through the NJO, is it worth it?

I'm on the second book and liking it so far.

In particular, is pic related a good payoff?

>>53009164

The prequels were full of shit, but they are far from absolutely terrible movies.

Had the writing and directing been better (and handled by more than one fucking person), they'd have all been A+.

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>>53010406

Man that alien looks awful, holy shit

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>>53007372
With the changes to youtube ad revenue they'll probably end up in the bin soon enough

>>53006639
I guess if you can't get away from D20, its 'ok', its sort of a modified version of D20 modern in its base form and SAGA iteration of it was a little further refined.
Problem with D20 systems is they tend to be just too heavy a workload for GM'ing and PC's end up unkillable little bastards by about 8-9th level with feats and skills everywhere, so it become harder to challenge them over time. FFG isn't perfect, but its definitely a lot more street-level in the sense you can still actually threaten them with base gronk NPC's like Stormtroopers, bitey animals and other stuff all through their careers. Plus its really workload sharing in that you offset some of it onto PC's, they make decisions, interpret their dice and you basically rein them in if they get too silly.
Much faster to set up and now we're a few years into them, quite a lot of material out there now. Probably the best Force system out of all the games though imo.

>>53008335
>I like R1 and TFA despite their flaws.
They have flaws, but also a lot of good shit too for TT gamers.

Just going to dump some art from a guy who's got an interesting, unconventional take on Star Wars as well.

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>>53010716
>>53010763
Is this the state of this general now?

>>53010920
NJO is a pretty horrible book.

>>53010920

If you think that alien doesnt look like shit, then you have eye problems. That's some seriously bad art.

>>53011024
"NJO" isn't one book though.

>>53011176
*series

Are there any rules for pricing used ships in ffg rpgs? A quirk generator/ table as well?

The Prequels aren't that bad. Anyone who's still booty blasted after all these years is just a bitter manchild.

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>>53011379
Nope
Just have both sides set a limit (in secret) on how low they will go and how much they will spend.
Negotiation, Success's and triumph will drop or add to the baseline
Advantages might mean spare parts, full tank of fuel, its modified etc

Disadvantages/despairs = a shitbox which has either all the characteristics of a lemon or someone forgot to do a hyperdrive overhaul... about 10 years ago, or negotiations have completely broken down to the point neither side wants anything to do with the other

>>53011442
The prequels aren't bad at all. The slight hype people had for ARCs in this thread alone should be an indicator

>>53011442
>>53011485
The Prequels are flawed, but not terrible.

If you want terrible, watch any Star Wars film from 2015 onward.

Can we please stop with the RLM memeing?

I've been having a shitty week and just want a comfy thread about ships, spreadsheets and tabletops, not neo-/tv/.

The baiting is just making these threads more hostile and unwelcoming.

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>>53011584
You're right. Instead we should talk about what a slutty milf the Y Wing is. Look at this unrepentant whore. Doesn't even bother covering up her super structure.

>>53011379
I had some rules somewhere, ages ago. Let me see if I can find them

>>53011663
Look at those slutty engines.

I would ride that ship all night glove of vader off

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>>53011663
>Easy access to fiddle with her junk

Slut!

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>>53011663
>shipsluts
If you want slutty, you should see some of the all-or-nothing armor layouts on Corellian battleship designs.

>>53011566
This, tbqh famalam. Though I will say that the Attack of the Clones was pretty shit anytime that Hayden's on-screen.

Really, though, I think the only two things that actually redeem the prequels for me are pod-racing, particularly in the form of the N64 game, and the Clone Wars cartoons, both of them. Having seen the second Clone Wars before watching Revenge of the Sith really elevates that movie to tying with RotJ for me.

>>53011663
>this is better than RLM memes
Ok

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>>53006902
tie him into a PC's backstory like Montross

or make his hulking psychotic murder machine

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>>53012213
>Though I will say that the Attack of the Clones was pretty shit anytime that Hayden's on-screen.
I actually like Hayden's performance and *most* of his dialogue.
The sand line is fine to me, the line I don't like is when he says
>it's not FAIR
that seems a little weak, like he wasn't fully committed to the line.

And some of his stuff after he's christened as Vader but before the suit is kind of stiff.
Other than that I like his performance.

>>53012388
You are a fucking child. There was absolutely nothing redeeming about Clones. None.
At all.
And Hayden Christensen was by far the worst performance other than Lucas' dialogue and idiotic plot that begs for Frodo questions up the fucking wazoo.

>>53012388
I mean, he gives a great performance as a brooding, edgy teenager. I just hate that the prequels turned pre-Vader Anakin into a brooding, edgy teenager. It always struck me as being one of the biggest negatives of actually spelling things out in the prequels that was better left to mystery. Vader has such gravitas in the original movies, whereas between Kid Anakin and Hayden, he is turned into such a fucking joke.

If anyone hasn't seen this already, behold Darth Vader using Kid Anakin's voice.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_H3_g9PhnM

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Are there SW equivalents to crazy tech like Tungsten cored squeezebore guns? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.8_cm_sPzB_41 I guess Turboblasters sorta fit that "Attempt to pack a ton of power into a tiny package at the cost of reliability." niche.

>>53012388
The followup to the Sand line where he tried to turn it into a pickup line was awful and the delivery of the line overall was a bit off.

>>53008036
I could see that somewhere like Cloud City with a repaint, but it's not metallic enough for most of SW.

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>>53012490
I disagree.
Very much so.

>>53012517
>The followup to the Sand line where he tried to turn it into a pickup line was awful and the delivery of the line overall was a bit off.
Him being new to all that is the whole point though.

>>53012537
It still felt really painful to watch.

>>53012537
Doesn't excuse the horrible writing there or in the rest of the movie.
Take off your nostalgia goggles, underage faggot. Not a single line Hayden or Portman delivered to each other had a single ounce of chemistry or emotion.

>>53012575
B-but muh floating pear!

>>53012388
This

>>53012618
Samefagging won't make your shit opinions any hotter, kiddo.

>>53008335
I like Star Wars, but that doesn't stop me from having the capacity to critique the franchise when it makes mistakes. If you ever hear me talk about r1, I'm sure it'd sound like I hate it when in reality I liked it because it's Star Wars, it's just not a very good movie in general. As in all things, there's a duality here.

>>53012618
>>53012388
>samefaging
Oh no more than one person disagrees with me must be samefag

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>>53012663

>>53012575
>Not a single line Hayden or Portman delivered to each other had a single ounce of chemistry or emotion
Every actor in AotC was fucking stone-faced the entire fucking movie. You HAVE to attribute shit like that to George being autistic and struggling with identifying facial emotions, and having lost his wife as the filter for this.

>>53012563
Young adults and teenagers are complete fucking spastics when it comes to romance or hell even worse when they're just trying to get laid.
The cringe is real.

>>53012730
Yet another reason the entire movie was dogshit.

>>53012730
So you are making excuses for a movie being shit, but then saying that you should appreciate it as a good movie because you are aware of how shitty it is? What?

>>53012857
I didn't make any excuses or say that it should be appreciated, I just said George Lucas is autistic. It's a terrible fucking movie.

>>53012916
Ah, then fair enough. Thought you were the dude defending it.

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Am I the only one who thinks that (at the time) Joaquin Phoenix would've been perfect in the role of YA-A Anakin?

>>53013031
could have been interesting, but I've always kindof disliked that anakin and Obiwan ended up being more like brothers than master-apprentice due to their similar ages and this would put them closer, wouldn't it?

>>53013031
Wouldn't have mattered in the end though. Lucas didn't bother to get a good performance out of any of the talented actors in the prequel.

>>53013060
But that was the point of their relationship as established in ANH. Anakin was Ben's apprentice, but also his best friend. Establishing this was one thing the prequels really failed at since all it ever shows are the two of them bickering.

>>53013060
Not as close as you might think. Pic related was Joaquin in 2002. He looks roughly the same as Hayden, just with a little less babyface.

>>53013070
Christopher Lee?
Ian McDiarmid?
Even McGregor did a nice job too, considering the dialogue he was stuck with.

>>53013105
Friends bicker all the time.

>>53013105
I envisioned a more ideal version of Anakin myself once, and I always thought it'd have worked better.

Drop the entire attraction to Padme throughout Episode II. Anakin grows up to be reliable, confident, and a well-mannered Jedi, but the Council notes he's somewhat headstrong. Still, Kenobi vouches for him and the two are more like brothers than Master-Apprentice. He does a lot of the reckless stuff in Coruscant instead of Obi-Wan, and he isn't as violent with the changeling chick-guy. He worries about the power of their opposition, and fears for Padme's life, but like Obi-Wan puts the well-being of the Jedi above himself.

For their work in protecting Padme, Anakin is awarded the chance to go back to Tatooine to visit his mother. Custody of Padme is granted to him as Obi-Wan investigates the matter of the Clones, so she tags along. He arrives, Tusken shit happens, and that's the breaking point. Anakin comes back and doesn't say a word. No "I hate them" or bullshit about people dying, he just glares at Padme, remains silent, and leaves.

Obi-Wan is sympathetic and supportive of him, and suggests the Council let him take Padme to Naboo where she needs to deal with government matters - make this more clear than just two lovers going to Venice - and believe that the paradise world will give him a chance to clear his mind. While there, Anakin uses his emotional weakness to form a bond with Padme. She comes on to him, not vice-versa, and he rejects her due to the Jedi Way, but with the loss of his only remaining family member, he longs for comfort, and gives in, though it doesn't lead to a relationship or marriage.

The rest of the film continues relatively the same, but overall Anakin and Obi-Wan are far more brotherly, and he doesn't obsess over Padme or marry her. That comes in Episode III.

>>53013221
But they also have moments where they don't. The prequels failed to have those.

>>53013248
I took most of the Assassin Chase as pretty good natured bantering.

>>53013244
Little changes, like I said making him totally silent in the Tatooine scene, would've made a world of difference. Also showing him and Kenobi getting along like brothers, occasionally doing playful jests and brotherly jokes or w/e, but no hostility or resentment.

Episode III goes much the same, but Palpatine's promise to Anakin isn't life or creating it, but filling the void he still faces, and the repression he feels with the Jedi as he's been unable to truly express the hurt that the loss of his mother caused him, as well as his growing affection for Padme. At Palpatine's insistence, he marries her.

Obi-Wan knows, and reluctantly supports him, but warns him of what should happen if the Council found out. Film goes mostly the same, he ultimately knocks up Padme, and his emotional void is now replaced with paranoia of the Jedi Council finding out about his affair. Meanwhile, he continues to speak to Palpatine, and Palpatine begins to convince him the Jedi are plotting a coup to instill their values on the entire galaxy, values which Anakin has disliked and begun to resent. Palpatine speaks of emotional freedom, freedom to love Padme and express his feelings, and Anakin is swayed.

Mostly the same again, and then Palpatine sets up the scene of Mace trying to kill him, Anakin intervenes. He's shocked to discover Palpatine is a Sith, but from what he's promised, Anakin begins to genuinely believe the Sith would be better. (continued...)

>>53013355
He is told the Jedi know of his affair as well, and as part of their coup plan to kill both him and Padme. Palpatine sends her to Mustafar for safety, and Anakin besieges the Jedi Temple. When confronted with younglings, he stays his hand, but the Clones do not. He's troubled by this, but sees it as what must be done. However, thinking of his own child, he then travels to Mustafar as well when Palpatine tells him Padme has been captured by radical Separatist leaders who refuse to let the war end.

He goes there and kills them, this time not in senseless aggression or murder, but because he believes Padme to be in danger, and does not believe the Separatist bunker there insisting otherwise. Rather than be told Sidious formulated the war, Palpatine tells him the Jedi did to instill themselves into power. Therefore, no mercy is had, and they view him as an infiltrating enemy agent.

Kenobi, fearing for Padme's life and hearing that Anakin has betrayed the Jedi, travels in pursuit of him, fleeing the rise of Order 66 as well. Anakin does not find Padme with the Separatists, and is confused, but searches for her. When Obi-Wan arrives, Anakin greets him cordially., and tells him of what Palpatine said; the Jedi coup, finding Padme, etc., and believes Obi-Wan is there to join him as a brother in arms.

Obi-Wan reveals that isn't the case, and he'd found Padme safe and sound, by Palpatine's orders having not been harassed by Separatists there. Seeing Anakin like this, they both try to talk him down. However, his paranoia rises once more, and he now believes he's been betrayed by both of them, that Palpatine's warnings of treachery and death by the hand of the Jedi would afflict him. (continued...)

>>53013450
In anger, Anakin injures Padme and fights Obi-Wan, vowing to end their treason and avenge their wrongdoings to him. The fight is much more brief. Anakin is shot by Padme, in tears and pleading him to stop prior to that, and Obi-Wan strikes him down. Anakin professes his hatred to the two of them, telling Kenobi he viewed him as a brother, and that he'll never forget or forgive his betrayal. Kenobi says the same thing, yet tells him he'll always be his brother, no matter what falls upon his mind.
Kenobi and Padme leave, and Anakin is left.
He tries to pursue them, but for one reason or another gets near lava, passes out, burnt,
etc. Film goes the same way, just no retarded "Noooo" scene.[/spoiler]

Phew, there you go, my fanon of how Anakin should've been. Going down truly believing he was betrayed and that he was a hero. Less psychotic, less of a manchild, more of a truly Shakespeare-esque fallen hero.

idk it might be kinda shit

>>53005875
Does anyone have some good videos to watch of people flying lists that are fairly heavy on strikers?

Also, does anyone have any idea how to make a good list with 3 strikers? I'd like to try 3 strikers with LWF and Predator alongside a hux shuttle, but that's 101.

Any suggestions?

>>53013488
And he was a good friend.

>>53009369
Sorry if my reply is a bit late! The HWK-290 and Protectorate Starfighter look pretty nice. The quad jumper has this odd, boxy look to it that makes it pretty interesting too. I figure I'll end up getting one or two of the starter Scum boxes for the z95s at any rate.

I have several alternate universe questions

1. What was Sidious's plan if Dooku was able to kill Anakin and Obi-Wan in orbit over Coruscant?

2. What would Dooku have done if Sidious was found out and killed during the Clone War?

3. What would have happened if Anakin had allowed Windu to kill Sidious in his office?

>>53013762
Good questions, but
>3. What would have happened if Anakin had allowed Windu to kill Sidious in his office?
is a lot easier. Palpatine let Windu get him down, which is why he obliterated three Jedi Masters in seconds but sustained his duel with Anakin. He sensed he was coming, and let himself be "beaten".

It's entirely possible he could've gotten too cocky and accidentally let Windu kill him, but otherwise he was in control and in no real danger. In terms of raw skill Windu fighting Palpatine was like a wolf fighting a lion.

>>53013762
1. He re-elevates Dooku to his position as his apprentice and uses his betrayal and just another test, meanwhile he considers bringing back Mecha-Maul.

2. He would have won the Clone War, and you'd have a divided galaxy with the Confederacy offering its proposed self-governance to planets while the Republic rotted under the burden of corruption and loss of agri-worlds. Increased galactic instability, likely an increase in Hutt aggression, and the Empire either never rising to power or instead being an evolution of the confederacy to offer stability and safety, with Dooku being the first Emperor.

3. The galaxy goes, "Yay!"

>>53009908
SWG was the shit, I love that they keep leaking stuff back into the FFG star wars from it.

>>53013856
I thought the novelization said that Windu actually overpowered Palpatine by using Vaapad, which uses the opponent's power against them.

>>53013856
Posted before I finished, but what would have happened if Anakin refused to attack Windu is Palpatine would've either shocked Windu and killed him outright or got back to his feet and saber-dueled both Anakin and Windu. As he'd still view Anakin as a potential apprentice I doubt he'd kill him, so he'd probably kill Windu then do the same "I totally am beaten totally" trick with Anakin, or just run away and try again later without killing his hopefully apprentice.

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>>53013729
Protectorate is a top tier ship, and combos well with mindlink.

HWK has the most hated person in the galaxy- Palob.

I present to you a squadron I whipped up real fast.

Also, you only need multiple copies of theMost Wanted expansion if you want to spam Z-95's or Y-wings.

Honestly for scum, you can make a list out of anything, so long as it's not all Starviper (1 max as Guri) or Kihraxz (take only if you are memeing)

Buy what you think looks cool.

What's your favorite lesser known planet? Mine is Rhen Var.

Which droid miniature do you guys think looks cooler, this one
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/swor04.html
Or this one?
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/swu14.html

>>53013988
http://www.armorcast.com/miniatures/robot-townies

they have the best robots.

>>53013978
>Rhen Var
>lesser known
>not the best maps in Battlefront
C'mon, man.

>>53013978
Not necessarily a planet, but I really liked the CSA from the Solo adventure novels.

>>53014077
I actually only know it from the episode II vidya, sorry.

>>53014094
The fuck? You never played Battlefront? Citadel for the actual tactical map, Harbor for the joy of ice caves and a vehicle seige that was way more interesting than Hoth?

I'll never forgive BF2 for only giving us Citadel. I'd be willing to argue to the death that Harbor was one of the best designed maps in Battlefront. Defending against an AT-AT or AT-TE that is eventually forced to enter into a choke-point with a ruined temple sprawling on either side of it was always great.

>>53014189
It's been such a long time that I can't even remember which of the two I played, only that I only played one of them.

>>53011898
Is Corellia basically Space America?

>>53014032
Kek pretty grand. But in all honesty though which do you think is cooler? I'll be playing as a droid character soon and I am not sure which of these mini's is better looking.

>>53014189
Harbor was the shit. Dueling with the vehicles was awesome and grueling fighting through those caves was only beat by the bespin platform corridor fights.

>>53014189
My nigga

>>53014274
Play as a Super Battle Droid or a Commando Droid. Or else you're a fag.


>>53014286
>>53014291
Yup. There's no better feeling that going full aloha snackbar on an incoming AT-AT, hurling a couple of grenades and then just grabbing your friendly missile launcher and weaving in and out of the balconies to fire off a load while fighting back to reloads with your pistol. Or the real fun of fighting through the Ice Caves, jacking a Saber tank and unloading on the ass-end of an AT-TE as it helplessly tries to swivel.

Bespin Platforms was a fun map just for the first-person cockpits with instrument panels and shit, but Cloud City was just a glorious fucking meatgrinder. Those elevated pathways that were basically just a long cover-less corridor that turned into WWI trenchbattles. Blaster fire just casually filling those boxes of death, missiles and grenades always killing 5+. I dunno why, but while the new version of Rhen Var Citadel for BF2 felt like an earnest improvement, both of the Bespin maps felt like they lost something.

>>53014266
>Hotrods
>Guns
>muh freedoms
Yessir

>>53013940
That looks awesome. I've heard the HWK is one of the best support ships out there. A quick search on google and I'm already seeing how feared Palob is.

>>53014392
Which Commando Droid looks better then?
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/swgw08.html
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/swgw07.html

>>53014274
I like robot santa the assassin droid

>>53014189

My fucking nigga, Rhen Var Harbour was probably my favourite map ever other than the Bespin ones.

Cloud City gun fights were the absolute most fun i had in that game.

>>53014432
A lot of those upgrades can be potentially swapped out, with just Mindlink, Autothrusters, Concord Dawn Protector, and a system (FCS, Advanced Sensors, or Sensor jammer) being must-takes. Palob needs either Twin Laser Turret, Autoblaster Turret, or Ion Turret.

This list is actually pretty synergystic, as there are 2 alternative methods of focus generation (palob and Guri) to trigger Mindlink.

The rumored fix for the Starviper is a torpedo slot item that's some sort of starviper only thruster, that lets you barrel roll with banks/get evades when you barrel roll or boost.

>>53014531
>>53014189
I hope the new Battlefront won't be as bad as the last one.

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>>53011898
God damn it Japan stop making vehicles into girls I want to fuck
B-Wing personification when

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>>53014556
I'd say "Sweet summer child" but it's too early for that. Guess you're just one of the moronically optimistic fags in these threads.

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Teaser image for my next podcast.

I wanted to ask if any of you had a guess as to why my channel was doing well today and then flatlined during peak hours (~3pm-5pm EST) then picked back up like nothing had happened. I've never experienced this before and it feels like it took some of the wind out of my new podcast's sails.
Sorry for going off topic.

>>53014556
Gotta wait to see their business model. The lack of a season pass is making me think that they're going the Overwatch route with a rigid class system and lots of skins and progression that won't affect gameplay. It's a good call if executed right.

>>53007579
t. Mothma

>Resurgent star dessies in armada when?

Being a new order fan is suffering.

>>53014753
That's the ugly one with the lopsided bridge, right?

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>>53014580
>B-wing personification
>Voracious appetite
>Expensive as hell
>Hits like a truck
>Probably pretty darn curvy
>Aliens
I got your B-wing personification right here.

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>>53014753
>Resurgent class
Your waifu is trash.

>>53013536
I have a buddy that flew the 3 named strikers and a palp shuttle back during regionals. It was crazy aggressive and fun to watch.

>>53014753
Probably never, its a full kilometer and some change bigger than the ISD and that motherfucker is about as big as we're gonna get. They'd either need to make it smaller or an armada-epic ship.

Question for Armada players, with the corellian conflict success we're probably going to get a second campaign box. Would you rather see new ship titles, new squadrons for Rogues and Villains/fighters II, new officers and upgrade cards, or reprints?

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>>53014810
Nah, she's just a Bloodborne reference.

>>53014864
I laugh so hard every time I remember that Armada shitters are never going to get a super star destroyer.

>>53014880
> Beserk author once went on hiatus for months to play Idolmaster
> Beserk is one of the big influences/inspirations on the Dark Souls games
> Bloodborne is just an elaborate excuse for Miyazaki to one up Miura's Idolmaster fan worship.

>>53014897

Why exactly won't they add them again?

>>53006390
first answer is best answer

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>>53014541
>The rumored fix for the Starviper is a torpedo slot item that's some sort of starviper only thruster, that lets you barrel roll with banks/get evades when you barrel roll or boost.

Source for this?

>>53014864
We'll probably get two things, since the CC box came with both more squads and new objectives.

I'd really like to see new titles, at least two for each ship from waves 1-4. Titles can do a lot of different things for making ships better or adding differing styles of play. It would be the best way to add some new blood into the game.

Rogues and Villains 2 is the most likely other thing they'd put in. I'm still not a huge fan of how many bounty hunters there are in a fleet game, but if we get Lando in the Falcon like he should be I'll probably forgive it.

I'd prefer more pilots for the Fighter Pack II. It's frustrating to me that the E-wing doesn't have a generic named squadron card, I'd love to throw it in my Rieekan Aces builds.

>>53014945
Because they're FUCKHUGE in the scale that FFG chose for the game. FFG keeps doing this where they pick a scale for their games without thinking about some of the really big stuff that's obviously popular.

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>>53014977
FFG needs to step up its game.

For what species would it be common to use a high-tech (or even low tech) bow?

>>53015052

humans but only if blind

>>53014977
Speaking of which, has FFG ever hinted about doing something akin to turrets and a Trench Run format/mission? X-Wangz missions felt neat-ish, but it just always hit me as strange that the best campaign for the game is a pure homebrew creation.

And I can't imagine anyone wouldn't want to try their luck at a hardcore trench run with precision flying being key as you fly a small squad of crackshot pilots through one of the most iconic starfighting sections of the entire franchise.

Also, cheap as shit but unshielded and immobile Turbolaser batteries just sound like a weird and fun way to spice shit up.

>>53014968
Man I would kill for some off the wall titles. I always feel so bored when I use a raider, considering my titles are two flavors of flak improvement. I'd kill for something like discard this title to use your anti ship armaments as though they were anti squadron armament for the round.

Something they could also do is do a big faction swaphouse deal. Rebels get access to Quasars, imperials get access to corvettes and nebulons. It would definitely soothe some folks I've run into who really want to play an imperial fleet with nebulons and be flavorful with the campaign.


>>53015052
I could totally see a Wookie using a straight up bow. Gotta have crazy draw strength.

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>>53015162
>Imperial corvettes
Those need to come with rules for boarding actions and starship theft. Also a Night Caller title.

After all his freak outta and temper tantrums, would Kylo Ren benefited a scene like Vader got at the end of rogue one right before his fight with Finn and Rey? Something to remind us he is still fucking terrifying and could slaughter us all?

I find it really irksome that basically every non-blaster weapon in FFG is absolute garbage. Slughtrowers: terrible. Bows: terrible. Thrown weapons: terrible. Non-vibro melee weapons: terrible.

I'm considering just letting my players refluff weapons however they want, to allow for some actual variety in equipment beyond using whatever the best weapon in a category is.

>>53014843
I really want to make use of the generic strikers, would 3 with Crack and a Hux shuttle make sense? What would I add with the remaining 5 points? An intel agent, advanced sensors? baffle? APL?

>>53014968
The source is half blind speculation, half people claiming to be playtesters, half that they have almost designed themselves into a corner in that it's both a perfect fix and the only plausible one.

>>53015287
I'd like to think that Kylo is a great example of what happens when you take a fledgling Force user, show them the door to the Easy Path, and watch them ruin their life utterly. So far he's done a great job of that.

I just don't get why they put the 20-something emotional wreck in partial command of the horde of angry 20-somethings that makes up the army of the biggerer betterer Empire-in-exile.

>>53015290
The trick, is to pour ranks into whatever stat you want to kill with, and then take Deadly Accuracy. It makes joke weapons good and good weapons amazing.

>>53015287
But the idea is that Kylo is a Padawan that went bad. He's not an unstoppable engine of destruction, he's a kid who got a quick gain in power from falling to the Dark Side, but not enough training to really utilize it well.

>>53015393
but then you're still strictly better off using one of the already good weapons.

>>53015424
Slugthrowers still have their use when an Inq with reflect shows up.

>>53015424
Well, yeah, but that's life. If you want to use outdated and archaic technology, you suffer a bit for it.

>>53015371
>I just don't get why they put the 20-something emotional wreck in partial command of the horde of angry 20-somethings that makes up the army of the biggerer betterer Empire-in-exile.
Imagine the temper tantrum-related injuries that would have occurred if someone told him that he was unfit for command.

>>53015393
It's like >>53015424 says, by the time you've made your weapon effective, you've spent a whole bunch of XP to make it as good as another weapon was to begin with.

Like, 3/4 minimum of the weapons in the books will never, ever see use except by the basest of mooks.

>>53015411
>>53015458
Did he actually beat Luke, or was the old man just too tired/unwilling to kill Kylo?

>>53015495
Luke probably couldn't bring himself to kill his last student, that or Kylo killed the other students while Luke was out or something.

>>53015495
From everything I've read, we don't even have confirmation that Luke was present when he went Columbine. It does seem more logical that it was a "When the master's away, we will play" scenario.

>>53015287
It's iffy, mostly for two reasons.
>Kylo Ren works best as a novice
A lot of the real draw to Kylo is the fact that he's half-trained and ultimately just a broken, confused man-child who is looking for acceptance and trying desperately to be the soulless villain he wrongly assumes his uncle to have been. He's far more of a trouble school shooter than he is a hardcore grizzled soldier.

>Kylo Ren wasn't stopped by Luke
For whatever reason, Luke didn't stand-up to Kylo or do really anything when Kylo killed the rest of the Padawans of the New Jedi Order. Most of this comes from the fact that we know jackshit about Kylo's training with Luke, but for whatever reason, Luke didn't have either the heart or the ability to stop him. The actual terrifying aspect of Kylo comes mostly from this one act, yet it isn't something we have any real knowledge about at all.

So together, you have Kylo as this pathetic imitation of a Sith Lord who is still trying to find himself. But he's also the leader of the Knights of Ren and Snoke had enough faith in him to put him in charge of the entire organization of wanna-be Sith Knights that have as much control and independence as the Inquisitors did under the Empire. It's just an awkward situation where Kylo is basically two separate characters. Giving him a scene of badass slaughter-killing would help reaffirm his second identity, but it would weaken his first identity.

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>>53015333
I can think of a lot of different fixes. My preferred one is losing the torp slot for -2 points and a system slot. Which stacks with Virago's system.

Most playtesters that I know are quite good at not giving away real info.

>>53015162
I'm not a huge fan of cross-faction ships.

But yes the Raider especially could use some nice buffs. Hell I'd take a title that let it use black dice at medium range.

Would also like to see some good titles for the AFII and MC80. The titles for both are kinda limited or lack luster.

>>53014977
There really isn't anything between the ISD and SSD though in terms of scale. I wish Armada had a slightly smaller scale overall, but more so that we could fit more than one large ship in a game reasonably. The huge ISD barring down on the table is still a joy to play.

>>53015495
Neither really makes sense. Luke would probably be unwilling to kill family, but he should have at least been able to break the kid's swording arm and make him sit the fuck down. Maybe Kylo got to murdering just a few minutes before Luke could arrive on the scene.

>>53015290
...what? Like, you realize there's a reason that everyone in Star Wars uses blasters, right?

>>53015290
The only advantage slugthrowers have is the ability to fit silencers... Which aren't yet statted because FFG are retarded.

>>53010902
holy shit that's amazing.

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>>53015628
Also weird ammunition types, but I don't think anyone at FFG is /k/ommando enough to know about all the weird shit you can do with shotgun shells.

>>53015565
>>53014968
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/51359486/#51367324

This guy called wave 11 almost perfectly 2 months early, but is clearly early on in the playtest process.

>>53010902
I'd be up for Wedge in a First Order TIE Interceptor any day.

>>53010902
Is that one TIE on his kill list supposed to be the one Sabine tried to rescue him in when it turned out he was still an Imp?

>>53015565
Which MC80? Liberty could definitely use something but I think Home One and the options on her work fine.

>>53015725
It's the one that gets stolen in TFA maybe?

>>53015628
>>53015653

Silencers are a mod you can get, and two weapons (one a better range/penetrating version of the other) get either AP or HE rounds.

>>53015768
That could be it too.

>>53015811
In which books are those? From what I heard they literally only had BLASTER silencers.

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>>53015829
>Blaster suppressors
How the hell are those supposed to accomplish anything when the blaster still spits out glowing, highly visible bolts of plasma?

>>53015829

Model 57 Homesteader, pg 41 Savage Spirits
(digivolves to!!!!!!!!)
Model 38 Sharpshooter pg 41 Enter the Unknown

SIlencer is page 51 savage spirits. not in an EOTE book, to my knowledge

>>53015290
The slugthrowers in Enter the Unknown are really good. Most bows aren't amazing unless you think outside the box (specialty arrows, silent, not considered a threat) The Kyuzo bow however is some asshole shit. A lot of the thrown/melee/fist weapons seem to be made for bar fights and holdout gear.

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Does the First Order have an intelligence wing? Do we know anything about them?

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Have a shitty margin doodle of a KX droid drawn from memory welding a Dark Forces 1 concussion rifle.

>>53016087
Intended as a Bodyguard/Valet for some imperial governor or sub governor who used to run a mine that used concussion rifles made from their mining equipment to defend against big blaster-resistant bugs.

I figure he's a decent sort for an imperial, bit eccentric, likes droids more than people, mildly paranoid that despite the fact he generally treats his citizens well that someone is out to kill him, so he uses an armored staff car at all times.

>>53016076
Maybe. No. But the Empire should still have all of its intelligence assets.

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>>53016087
>>53016144
I can dig it. I had a similar imperial officer in a game that was paranoid around aliens and used droids as secret bodyguards.

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>>53016231
I just did some digging. Apparently it's called the First Order Security Bureau, because nobody realized that FOSB sounded dumb.

FOrSec would have been my choice. Or maybe just OSB.

They seem to be just a shitty copy of the ISB, though. Little info available, outside of an Agent Terex who appeared in the Poe Dameron comic.

>>53016307
Did you know face scars over the eye and at the corner of your lips are a good way to show that someone is a real hardened badass? And if they're a super duper badass, you can give 'em both.

Just christ. I wonder how many belts he wears.

I wonder if the FOSB and the ISB actually share resources, or if they feud like the FBI and CIA.

>>53016336
This is probably one of the few times that it would be acceptable, given that he seems to be based on Otto Skorzeny and that dueling scars were popular in Nazi Germany, whom the Empire/FO is based on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dueling_scar

>>53016420
>The Empire are Nazis
Not this weak meme again. You could have controlled yourself and just say the FO, but you had to go full retard.

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>>53016448
>Star Wars creator George Lucas sought to make the Galactic Empire aesthetically and thematically similar to Nazi Germany and to appear to be fascist. Like Nazi Germany, the Galactic Empire is a dictatorship based on rigid control of society that dissolved a previous democracy and is led by an all-powerful supreme ruler. The Empire, like the Nazis, desires the creation of totalitarian order and utilizes excessive force and violence to achieve their ends. The name of the Empire's main soldiers, the Stormtroopers, is somewhat similar to the name given to Hitler's Sturmabteilung (SA, "storm detachment") paramilitary bodyguards. The visual appearance of Darth Vader in his all-black uniform combined with his devout obedience to the Emperor has allusion to the black-uniformed Nazi Schutzstaffel (SS). The uniforms of Imperial military officers also bear resemblance to uniforms used in Nazi Germany as well as nineteenth-century Germany's ulans (mounted lancers)—who wore a tunic, riding breeches, and boots like the Empire's officers wear—as well as the Imperial officers' cap resembling the field caps historically worn by German and Austrian troops. In addition to Nazi Germany, there was also at least one portion of the Galactic Empire that was based on the Soviet Union, which is the various military personnel and TIE Fighters are flying in formation as Palpatine arrives on the Death Star in Return of the Jedi. In the commentary track for the film's DVD release, Lucas admitted that the ceremony for the Emperor's arrival was inspired by May Day military parades in the Soviet Union.

>>53016259
That looks like Nazi gasmask blades gimp from the Hellboy movie.

>>53016307
He looks like a literal clone of Yularen.

>>53016509
Glad I'm not the only one that saw that.

>>53016336
you know that the ISB died with the Empire, right? The First Order is something new?

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>>53016420
Good eye. You really know your Nazis.

>>53016647
Eh? The Empire is didn't die off, it just got reduced to a rump state with the hard-liners all flying off to play dress-up in deep space. Empire is the rump state, First Order's the zealous junta.

>>53016669
>a Nazi who worked for Mossad
Oy vey!

>>53016739
Said rump state ceased to exist, and was succeeded by the New Republic. This demarcation has been made painfully clear in nucanon, as frustrating as it may be.

I hope we get some warlords or shit soon.

>>53016826
Wait, when was this? Last I knew, you had the utter retarded organizations of the Empire as a rump state, the FO as the junta, the New Republic as the New Republic and the Resistance as a bunch of innawoods crazies that were operating outside of the Republic's organization in their own crazed suspicion and hatred of the Empire.

And please don't tell me that they explained this shit in a Wendig book. The fact that got that shitguzzler to write the Aftermath trilogy is just fucking rage-inducing.

>>53016669
I took a special operations history class and it turns out the professor was a former HUMINT attache to the green berets. Pretty cool stuff.

>>53006390

RO was solid.

But TFA was just a PC reboot of 4.

>>53016854
No part of the Empire survived past the Battle of Jakku.

>>53016970
Dope.

>>53017020
...You realize the Battle of Jakku is what led to the signing of the Concordance? Y'know, the treaty between the Empire and the New Republic that established the Empire as a rump state?

>>53015850
You use special gaz that makes the bolt invisible to the naked eye.

>>53016490
A lot of these elements are militaristic or fascist rather than pure nazi.
The imperial caps always reminded me of Bigeard caps, Vader looks like a samurai, storm troopers are a type of troop rather than a nazi thing, and so on.
Heinlein gets accused of being a nazi because of Starship Trooper
too, but that's just because any militaristic and/or authoritarian regime will share traits with it.

>>53016490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-SaMu8k3w

>>53017269
I have no idea what you're talking about.

After Endor the Galactic Empire began to split into multiple splinter factions and began the Imperial Civil War, which had more to do with the Empire's defeat than Rebel/Republic military action.

Fuck Disney's fucking retarded canon.

>>53017288
It's because the average person is dumb enough to believe fascism or authoritarianism = automatically evil. It's the cheapest way to get an average moviegoer invested by having a villain be called fascist, because more often than not they'll just durrrr and assume they're evil, then buy a ticket.

>>53010406

I tried following the series when it came out. Couldn't. The Unifying Force was pretty fantastic though, I read Vector Prime and Allston and Stackpole and the one where Jaina is sad/mad and in the Hapes Consortium... maybe when Coruscant falls? I dunno, there was a lot of stuff to trudge past.

Unifying Force felt epic without me turning up there knowing everything- with Coruscant and Mon Calamari, and had adventure wrapped in with the prison breakout and Caluula.

And the end of the war was wow at the time for me because it purposely gave the lay of the land for the galaxy. It gave a sense of closure that was grand enough, and with strings that could be picked up.

Swarm War, LotF, and FotJ kind of went on to fuck it over but by then people should have stopped reading.

I would say just pick over NJO, with the disclaimer that I picked over it. If you go to Unifying Force, also read the one just before it for extra effect? And reference wookiepedia to fill in blanks as you need.

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>>53015667
Interesting. Everything else there looks accurate. -3 points with a bonus is about what the starviper needs. This gives me hope for the ship's future.

>>53015742
Home One. It could use a title that actually boosts the ship rather than other things. Liberty has goddamn Mon Karren. Liberty itself should be no slouch with Leia either.

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Any opinions on this?
I'm yet to fly it.
Should I alter the mini Rhymer Ball in some way?

Bomber Interdiction (399/400)
============================
Interdictor Combat Refit (93 + 43)
+ Admiral Konstantine (23)
+ Wulff Yularen (7)
+ Targeting Scrambler (5)
+ SW-7 Ion Batteries (5)
+ Interdictor (3)

Interdictor Suppression Refit (90 + 21)
+ Commandant Aresko (7)
+ G7-X Grav Well Projector (2)
+ G-8 Experimental Projector (8)
+ Leading Shots (4)

Raider I-class Corvette (44 + 14)
+ Agent Kallus (3)
+ Ordnance Experts (4)
+ Flechette Torpedoes (3)
+ Impetuous (4)
Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 + 2)
+ Comms Net (2)

Major Rhymer (16)
2 x TIE Phantom Squadron (14)
Tempest Squadron (13)
Jumpmaster 5000 (12)

>>53017799
Damn it.
Wrong Ion Cannon on the the wrong ship.
Should be the other way around.

>>53017799

What objectives are you running with this?

>>53017838
Still undecided.
I was considering switching the Ball for Lambdas and escorts for that objective manipulation and even more control.

>>53017854

You're probably better off playing for objectives because you don't really have any big beatsticks in your fleet. Maybe consider dropping an upgrade for Grav Shift Reroute - then you can run something like contested outpost and pull said outpost in towards you before things even start.

>>53018022
Interdiction (400/400)
=====================
Interdictor Combat Refit (93 + 42)
+ Admiral Konstantine (23)
+ Wulff Yularen (7)
+ Targeting Scrambler (5)
+ Leading Shots (4)
+ Interdictor (3)

Interdictor Suppression Refit (90 + 22)
+ Commandant Aresko (7)
+ Grav Shift Reroute (2)
+ G-8 Experimental Projector (8)
+ SW-7 Ion Batteries (5)

Raider I-class Corvette (44 + 14)
+ Agent Kallus (3)
+ Ordnance Experts (4)
+ Flechette Torpedoes (3)
+ Impetuous (4)

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 + 2)
+ Comms Net (2)

Lambda-class Shuttle (15)
Tie Advanced Squadron (12)
Tie Interceptor Squadron (11)
4 x Tie Fighter Squadron (8)

Station Assault

Contested Outpost

Minefields

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>>53009108

I've been repainting my fleet into Black Sun colours slowly. It really ties the Scum fleet together nicely to have them looking a bit more uniform.

>>53007372
>what if... le prequels... not so good
>le funnay voice bad movie man

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>>53018343
Fuck me that looks so sick

>>53018334

Looks good. You could swap the Int and Adv for another Lambda and another TIE fighter if you need more strategic/relay, but that's up to you.

>>53018516
Well we're already going with a theme so why not go all out?

>>53018528

5 Tie fighters might crumple too easily to enemy action. The current config has a little more staying power with the Adv and a little more hitting power with the Int. Of course if you consider them a speed bump to set up the Raider's flechettes than 5 fighters may be more than enough.

For the same points you could also go:
2 x Lambda-class Shuttle (15)
2 x Tie Advanced Squadron (12)
2 x Tie Fighter Squadron (8)

It gains hull and some extra escort and also brings enough relay to cover the fighters, but punches less than 5 Ties would.

>>53018675
I like that set up

I think I will need to protect the shuttles so that seems like a good fit.

In either case it is easy to change after testing.

I'm the guy who was reading the Jedi Academy Trilogy in the last thread. After finishing it, I've read Darksaber and damn now I feel bad for Daala. Her plan would have worked if KJA hadn't decided that a handful of padawans with little to no training can crush a fleet of seventeen Imperial-class ISDs without even being in space. What the fuck?
Besides thar, the plot about the imperial reunification was vert cool.

>>53018764

You can also swap an Adv for a Jumpmaster if you need Intel in that last set up.

>>53018806
I don't feel as obligated to bring intel with me as the Shuttles don't have as much need to move unhindered as a Rhymer Ball would.

>>53018424

Thanks.

I've got a YV-666 and two Protectorates on my painting table at the moment, after that I've got a Gozanti I'm converting to the Black Sun style from Clone Wars.

>>53005875

So like the Stormtrooper Corps murdered everything at Hoth and were competent af at murder on Endor. The only times they were missing was when the 501st was ordered by Vader to allow the rebs to escape the death star in ANH

so where did the "Stormies can't shoot" meme begin?

>>53018877
>so where did the "Stormies can't shoot" meme begin?

Episode 4

>>53015160
They haven't hinted at it at all and I really don't think it'd be a good idea. The turrets would likely be manufactured at a loss since it's the most niche product I can imagine. Additionally the missions hardly get played at all and the most popular one is still the escort mission from the core set.

>>53018957
Weren't the troops on the Deathstar ordered to allow Luke and party to escape so that the Falcon could be tracked to the Rebel base?

>>53019006
Normies can't think that far

>>53019006
Yeah but ask yourself how many people missed or misunderstood that line or didn't take it to it's logical conclusion.

>>53018871
I'd love to see your version of a Lancer

>>53019046
>>53019049
It's kind of a shitty plan though (empire sucks at planning)
Had they just killed them all and captured R2, the rebellion would be helpless against the Deathstar.
Is the only explanation SPACE OPERA ???

So, Saw's band of rebels use those black and white X-wings. What are the odds that they stole them from Black Sun?

>>53019113

Low. A small band of rebels like them would stand no chance against the bullshit Black Sun could bring to bear, especially with their ties to the Alliance severed.

Odds are it's just a coincidence.

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>>53016076

Agent Terex from the Poe Dameron comics works for the First Order Security Bureau.

>>53019152
he looks like the biggest faggot.
Does he moonlight as a steel worker?

>>53019152
yeah, we got that.

>>53019113
0%. They got them from the Rebel Alliance, of which they used to be a part.

>>53019138
>>53019191
"Ok, so we got these ships"
"Let's paint them in the livery of the most identifiable gang around"

Is this not the equivalent of spraying "MS13" all over your new car and not expecting to be recognized by all the wrong people?

>>53018877
>>53019006

See
>>53019046

Like Tarkin clearly explains "I hope your plan allowing them to get away so we can follow them works."

And 40 years later like "haha i can't hit a target haha" t shirts at hot topic like please stop

>>53019102

I'm keen to do one. It's the perfect shape for a giant black sun logo covering the thing.

Plus Ketsu worked for Black Sun so it's thematic too.

>>53019210
You overestimate the relation between black/white color schemes and the Black Sun.

I don't worry about my blue car being mistaken for meaning I'm a Cubs fan, or a Crip.

What's more likely, that Saw got a couple of T-65s from the Alliance - which we know uses X-Wings - when he was still operating under their banner, or that he stole them from the Black Sun - who as never been described using X-Wings in Canon?

Which Ugly is best Ugly?

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By the way, there's no mention of these X-Wings being acquired in any special way. You'd think "The Cavern Angels X-Wings were stolen from the Black Sun" might come up, were it true.

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>>53019389
My ex-waifu. Ahahahaha.

>>53019460
Looks nice.

What happened to her?

>>53019460
That's retarded in such a cute way

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>>53019496
I traded her in for a new model. My best girl listens to me.

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Jedifags and Lightside purists most be grinding and gnashing their teeth. After Rebels, Empires End and soon to be TLJ Greyfags will soon reign supreme!

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People finally stop putting Star Wars into the title only to start adding shitty Reddit bait images to the OP.

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>>53019863

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>>53019945
Found the Lightside purist

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>>53019967

>>53015303
Adv Sensors is good on the hux shuttle.

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>>53019967
>Revan
>Grey
The guy never even went Grey in the original games. The guy's morality was a regular light switch, not a dimmer switch. He was Light, then fell to the Dark, then the space amnesia kicked in and he flipped back to full Light during the "canon" storyline.

>>53020029
B-but muh TORtanic """""""lore""""""""

>>53020076

god dont remind me

>hey guys, i am REVAN, dark lord of the SITH
>remember when I DID THAT THING in KOTOR?
>swell times
>REMEMBER THIS
>I AM REVAN
>play our game please

>>53017330
>It's because the average person is dumb enough to believe fascism or authoritarianism = automatically evil
Well that's because fascism is automatically evil.

Good news everyone, a player in my NR military game has decided that he's gonna marry a twi'lek stripper for space BAH
This is going to be fun

>>53006251
We're all anon here, so we can be honest: the only *good* Star Wars movie was 'The Empire Strikes Back' - everything else ranged from mediocre to bad. As long as TLJ doesn't fall too far down the mediocre scale into bad I'll be happy.

>5 GR75s all with BCC
>10 X-Wings
>reroll red bomber die forever until you get the double hit
>20 damage per turn
>kill a full health Motti ISD through front shields
>kill two full health Motti GSDs through front shields
>opponent brought fighters?
>40 flack dice
>20+ damage per turn (you DID bring Toryn, didn't you?)
>kill three TIE defenders
>kill four TIE advanced
>kill six TIE fighters

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>>53020793
It was funny until I remembered my my ex-in-law

>>53020324
(citation needed)

Man. activating secondary features on a gun is a real bitch and a half if it has more than one. It makes the Conc rifle feel really weak. (Also the weird ammo count and damage level are a bit strange.)

>>53020793
>TFW you were the only one in the platoon not to get married and also the only one not to get divorced
The real question is how much the alimony is gonna end up being

>>53017799
>Interdictor
>Admiral Konstantine
I see what you did there.

>>53021336
I most sane games you can't re-roll a re-roll, is this not written into Armada's rules.

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Anyone have the PDF for this? I can't see it in the folders up top.

>>53021661
>Internal uniformity of thought and loyalty requires creation of either external enemies or real or imagined fifth columns within the state. This will inevitably lead to either external conflict or oppression at home of the "enemy."
>Strong top-down authority combined with strict control of information to prevent dissent leads to easy corruption as you can target whistleblowers or underlings underneath you without much consequence, and focus on sucking up to those above instead of necessarily being good at anything
>one guy can't really be good at absolutely everything, and will likely become more and more convinced that he or she is right about everything as they continue to wield absolute or near absolute power. At the same time to gain favor their advisors will likely play yes man rather than pointing out proper policy.
>Incredibly difficult to pick a good despot. Hereditary rule inevitably leads to some duds, especially if you are inbreeding with other despot families. Other frameworks will likely lead to coups, palace intrigue, and possibly civil war to gain power.

But hey they get cool uniforms and state art so I guess that's something.

>>53022193
check /swco/
They have a mega folder link

>>53011663
>>53011700
>>53011713
Not to even mention her service record. Republic, Empire, Rebels, Scum, New Republic, etc. Thoroughly used by all of them.

>>53022198
>the human element being inserted and cocking it up means an idea is inherently """evil"""
epic

>>53020026
Advanced Sensors leaves me with 2 points to blow then.

What do I add with that? If I was PS 4, tractor +intel would be nice. I guess just Tractor?

>>53022167
No, Armada allows as many rerolls as you have sources providing it.

It's really not a problem in any situation whatsoever. Even ludicrous situations like that one.