Is anyone actually Surprised?

Dorn

>>52990638
Is still missing. Guilliman is the only non-traitor primarch to have returned so far.
I also predict that somehow Horus will return.

>>52990718

Horus?

>>52990718
I mean that they would have used Dorn instead.

>>52990718
Horus got obliterated by the Emperor. Not just his body, but his SOUL as well. Horus ain't comin' back, son.

I'm really glad GW is finally paying attention to Space Marines. Not like those damn greenskinz who got all the attention the last decade and a half.

>>52990718
He did, Roman Reigns - I mean, Abaddadon the Despoiler, killed him. Then he beat Kharn too, and won the WWE belt, and everyone loved him forever. WHY THE FUCK WON'T YOU CHEER!? FUCKING SMARKS, CHEER, WE WILL SHOVE HIM DOWN YOUR THROATS UNTIL YOU *CHEER*

>>52990836
That's crazy, I'm just getting into it all now ready for 8th edition and always thought it was about the blue ones.

Is it me, or does Guilliman sound a bit...evil? I know the entire point of 40k is that everyone is essentially bad and gothic, but he sounds less inspiring and more...malevolent.

>>52990810
When has something like plot consistency ever stopped GW?

>>52990718
Rumors say two primarchs are changing sides. So if that ever happens either Guilliman falls to Chaos or another one has to appear yet.

My bet is Corax

>>52990899
Welcome to the Imperium of Man. Enjoy your stay, you're here forever.

>>52990931
>Corax changing sides

Nah

Anyway who is even possible to come back at this point?

Corax, Jhangtai Khan, Dorn, Lion'el Coinbank,

>>52990931
Is that like a traitor will go loyal? Cause I'd bet either perturabo or alpharius would go loyal out of all of em. Not psyker so no one would really have much other then the whole betrayal thing. Also Iron warriors X Iron Hands is by fair best pairing.

>>52991003
Alpharius was always loyal :^)

>>52990931
I suspected Corax would fall. The choices were Corax and Russ, but I really couldn't see GW making Leman evil.
The traitor-turned-good will probably be Alpharius/Omegon or maybe even Curze if he somehow survived or faked his death.

So, for somebody's who's been out since 5th Edition, what happened?

>>52990931
where's this rumor come from?

>>52990978
Leman Russ, Vulkan and maybe Clone Ferrus Manus

>>52991034
Cadia got BTFO, Fenris got sieged by Magnus, Guilliman teamed up with Cypher and is making bigger/better spess muhreens.

>>52991034
Ynnead happened but came out half baked because Eldrad jumped the gun and the Deathwatch interfered in the ritual.

Ynnead's new prophet, Yvraine, is leading a new cult made of both Craftworld and Dark Eldar, roughly splitting all Eldar society between those who follow the new god and those who say "NOPE THAT BITCH LOOKS LIKE SLAANESH"

Yvraine, with the power of Ynnead, who is a God of Death, cured the poison in Roboute Guillimans body and ressurected him, enabling to walk among the living once again.

Oh, and Chaos was destroyed and a giant fissure of Chaos is spreading through the galaxy, a literal crack in realspace.

>>52990931
Russ returns from the Warp to see his sons and planet being betrayed by the Imperium and left to rot after repelling Magnus. Russ either accepts Chaos or leads his own faction composed of disgruntled Imperium citizens.

I wasn't expecting him to return up until the point he did, but when he did return it was pretty obvious what direction they were going with him

>>52991068
>Cadia got BTFO, Fenris got sieged by Magnus, Guilliman teamed up with Cypher and is making bigger/better spess muhreens.
What's Guilliman doing out of his tube? Did Magnus take Fenris? How has Chaos not conquered the galaxy without Cadia bottlenecking them in?

>>52991074
*Cadia was destroyed, not chaos.

>>52991088
right now, Chaos IS Conquering the Galaxy. Space Marine 2.0 and Guidoman are the Imperiums last hope.

As for Guilliman, see >>52991074

Magnus did not take Fenris, but the planet was ravaged and many of the Space Wolves slain. More importantly, the planet of Sorcerers has appeared in Real Space

>>52991074
Nigga wat?

I thought the whole point of the Dark Eldar was that they were too far gone. How can they go 5 minutes without murder raping something?

Why would a dirty Eldar resurrect Guilliman?

AND HOW THE FUCK WAS CHAOS DESTROYED?

>>52991088
Guilliman is all better now. Magnus fucked it up but was repelled by the Space Wolves. Chaos just now destroyed Cadia and is probably gearing up for a final Black Crusade with all of the traitor primarchs. Also there's a massive warpstorm that's almost bisecting the galaxy.
I'm also betting on another war for Armageddon or some other Orkish stuff.
Oh and the Eldar's infinity circuit got destroyed.

>>52990620
Nigga that was decided when he came back. Why the hell would someone be surprised about something that already happened?

>>52990931
Loin wakes up and goes traitor, Alpha- I mean Cypher has been doing his own thing all this time. Seriously though, Cypher shows up and Roboute immediately decides to talk things out. Roboute was the one who claimed to have killed him and burned the body. Cypher pretty much follows the Alpha Legion playbook just by existing the way he does, and either dies repeatedly and gets replaces or is pretty much fucking immortal.

>>52991079
Caesar always saw himself as the great reformer.

>>52991131
>>52991131
>I thought the whole point of the Dark Eldar was that they were too far gone. How can they go 5 minutes without murder raping something?

Ynnead is not fully formed but can protect Eldar souls from Slaanesh (by eating them hirself)

>>52991131
>Why would a dirty Eldar resurrect Guilliman?

It was forseen it would be necessary to save the galaxy from Chaos in the wake of Cadia's destruction

>>52991131
>AND HOW THE FUCK WAS CHAOS DESTROYED?
That was a Typo, meant CADIA, see >>52991089

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>>52991089
Ok. That makes more sense

>>52991119
So wait, has Chaos been made "THE" big threat, beyond Orks, Necrons, and Nids?

>>52991199
Chaos has always, and should always tbqhwy, be the biggest threat. But I'm sure that Necrons, Nids and Orks will get their kicks in.

>>52990978
Corax has been 10k years into the Eye

>>52991199
Thus far, yes, everything else it taking a back seat to Chaos right now. Orks, Necrons, and Tyranids are just 'there', haven't gotten any screen time at all.

Wait, when Cadia fell, did Creed die?

>>52991272
No, Trazyn the Infinite collected him like a Pokemon and he's still alive.

>>52991199
Yes. Look at the community site, they have a map. Chaos LITERALLY cut the galaxy in half with the eye of terror, it's a big purple streak through the center, left to right. The top and bottom halves of the map are pretty much isolated from each other.

Also Death Guard and Thousand Sons are getting their own armies, Cadia got blown the fuck up, and primarchs are probably going to be waking up left and right. Spearking of, I'm just waiting to see Jaghati Khan ride a dark eldar jetbike out of the webway while flipping them all off, after shitting on Asdrubael Vect's rug.

>>52991272
Creed survived.

>>52991228
I'd actually like GW to follow what "Down Amongst The Dead Men" kind of set up and have Krieg get hit with a full scale Tyranid invasion.
I'D ALSO LIKE BLACK LIBRARY TO GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER AND WRITE SOME NOVELS ABOUT THIS STUFF

>>52991003
Either Omegon/Alpharius or Kurze somehow. The rest are too corrupted to come back to the Imperium.

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>>52991322
I'd actually be really happy for Curze to return.

>>52991353
>Curze has returned
>He's healthy now and has straightened his life out and took up gardening

>>52991322
Maybe some other time perty ;-;

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>>52991371

>>52991299

>tfw the Necrons will unironically side with the Eldar to fight off Chaos after millions of years of being tsundere

Poetry.

>>52991371
He actually ended up marrying the assassin they sent after him, and they have a lovely hidden homestead in the Ghoul Stars where they raise giant crows, grow nightshade, and glower at the horizon together.

>>52990771

Dorn's expertise is defense, not empire management.

>>52990620
>implying he isn't just keeping the seat warm for the next rebirth of Emperor-tier Imperial characters like the Emperor's lost Super Sensei brother or some Hyper Ascended Perpetual-Golden Men.

Just wait till 10 years from now when you can buy 20 man squads of Emperors legally. With some ultra dumb retcon saying they are from different dimensions or the Emperor cloned himself etc.

>>52991677
That's why he's along Guilliman the only primarch who made an empire of his own before meeting the Emperor, right?

>>52991744
To be fair, he INHERITED one. But yeah, Dorn was an expert at management, he shared that autism with Guidoman.

>>52990931
Ok, so the primarchs will return, with one of each side changing sides? i'm still trying to figure out why would anyone change sides at this times so i'm gonna look at all the primarchs quickly, Loyals first and Traitor second

>Lion
With that whole "loyalty is it's own reward" thing i don't think he's gonna go traitor any time soon
>Khan
Considering how detached he was from the rest of his bros even before the heresy there some chance he might switch sides but i personally doubt it
>Leman Russ
Fenris got bombed, his legion got decimated by magnus back at fenris, and worst of all guilliman is probably getting rid of the wolves' original geneseed to make new marines, if he ever returns fucker is either going renegade or full-on traitor
>Rogal dorn
wasn't he dead? some dude just say he was just missing
>sanguinius
RIP
>Ferrus manus
i got a theory on this one, Fulgrim tried (and failed) to clone Ferrus and sway him to his side, but ferrus just wouldn't comply, so he killed clone after clone cuz he could not convince him, but what if, Fabius bile and fulgrim managed to make some Imperfect clone of Manus, that was pretty much ferrus with the downs and fulgrim said "fuck it, ill roll with it", got some geneseed from him, and made some Emperor's Childrens/Iron Hands hybrids to fuck the imperium's shit up with not-ferrus manus?

>Vulkan
most likely will still stay loyal, but the salamanders still gotta find those artifacts
>Corax
Doubt he will go traitor now of all times

>>52990931
>>52991918
Now let's just see at the traitors and see wich of them could just go back to loyal (i think is pretty much impossible at this point)

>Horus
he's fucking dead, even his soul is dead
>Fulgrim
he's probably still pissy that guilliman survived, and returned to lead the Imperium, no less.
>Perturabo
Now a deamon primarch, pretty much impossible to turn loyal again
>Konrad Curze
considering how he fucking hated his legion by the time he got killed... maybe? but he's also dead
>Angron
Motherfucker hated the Emperor from day one
>Mortarion
He pretty much hates Chaos and the warp, but is really ovbious that's hes coming back as a daemon prince along his death guard boys so i guess he learnd to stop worrying and love nurgle
>Magnus
Same as mortarion but with Tzeench
>Lorgar
LOL NO
>Alpharius/Omegon
Probably? Closet loyalist meme aside

anyway, i can't see any of the traitors going loyal again with the meme tier exception of alpharius

>>52991918
>wasn't he dead?
Body never found

Are the Necrons doing anything with all this end times stuff?

>>52991406
Well done.

>>52992137
It was their pylons that blew up Cadia, no?
The necrons have never had much stake in anything. They just wanted to rebuild their empire and stomp anyone who got in the way. Except by being a non-Imperial faction, all they did was get stomped themselves if they got too close to anything important, therefore being forced to linger on the edges of the galaxy.

>>52992137
Trazyn helped the Imperium on Cadia then collected Creed.

Maybe if they keep this whole "one big enemy for each edition" the time of the Necrons to shine should be when the Tyranids come to nom our galaxy.

>>52992282
>End of times
>Tyranids comming to nom all
>Silent king comes back beating them with a lead pipe while screaming in robot

>>52990620
Wait, what?

>>52992460
lurk more
the New Games Workshop has also forbidden dirt in 8th edition.

>>52990899
No. He actually sounds pretty moderate all things considering

>>52990899
His job was to conquer the stars for humankind. Dude sounds like an evil dictator because for all intents and purposes? he is one. Even had secret police.

You don't take 500 worlds without breaking a few eggs, after all.

>>52992242
Naw their pylons actually worked for a bit but Abbadon crashed the wreckage of the destroyed blackstone fortress to break Cadia in two.

>>52990931
Alpharius and Omegon

Either one of them gets the other to go loyal, they were both Chaos and one defects to loyalty, or the secretly loyal one decides to go full chaos.

And/or Russ comes back from the Eye tainted and mutated, which is why the Wulfen got all fuzzy in realspace, and is immediately forced to fight against the Imperium because they think he's a Daemon prince or some shit, plus he's all salty they left most of his chapter to die.

>>52993085
>Mutated Russ
I want to see this.

Chaosfag here.

I would like the furries to continue to remain on the corpse-emperor's side.

That is all.

>>52993239
Loyalfag here.

Please take him, I don't want him.

>>52990902
Horus and sanguinius are the two who wont come back desu

>>52990931
Lionel Richie is chaos.
Cypher is the only loyalist in the danglers.

And you don't really need more swapping sides. Just bring the demon prince primarchs out of hiding.

Oh and russ can show up to kill the big smurf cunt.

>dangles reveal their true nature, triggers:
>demon prince primarchs return, triggers:
>loyalist warp treader primarchs return

New crusades. New heresy.

So long as papa smurf dies.

>>52993085
>Alpharius was loyal, turns traitor
>Omegon was traitor, turns loyal
>Noone notices

>>52993085
>>52993519
One of them is supposed to be dead though

>>52990899
There are no good guys in 40k

>>52993289
Chaosfag again.

We've got a new anomaly by the Tau we can push him out through.

Any objections?

>>52991406
Smiling Curze is damn creepy.

>>52993609
Just make sure they can't get out of it

>>52993529
Maybe both of them are dead, or maybe neither.
Or perhaps death never existed at all...

>>52993656
Probably because editing it such that the proper cheek squash and lip stretch occurs is more trouble than it's worth for a throw-away image gag.

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>>52992349

>>52991313
Why is there a running joke that the Dark Eldar have Jaghatai Khan? How would they keep him and an entire White Scars ship for so long without killing them all, or just getting murdered?
Personally, I think that they accidentally stumbled across the Black Library. Khan was a lot like Magnus and loved reading/learning, and maybe Cegorach liked the primarch enough to let him in.

>>52994444
Who the hell said they have him? I just mentioned him being there. I don't know shit about the running gag.

>>52994444
>Khan gets a trove of ancient knowledge and gets to use the webway as the ultimate racetrack
>The price is having to endure racist Asian jokes at the hands of Cegorach for millennia.

>>52991131

It has been implied that not all Dark Eldar are entirely on board with their culture. However while not entirely being on board, they also see nothing appealing in the other paths available. The Ynnari at the moment don't really seem to have a set culture. In addition there are Dark Eldar who joined simply because they see the power the Ynnari wield.

>>52991744
>>52991757

Yes, he had an empire, but he obviously didn't care to continue managing it nor does it seem to have been as big as Ultramar.

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>>52990931
Magnymagic is coming back because everything was just as planned.

>>52994567
Dorn is better at conquering/consolidating and Guilliman is better at managing

I guess one is Alexander and the other Caesar

>>52994573
>Russ comes back corrupted by Chaos
>Magnus knew that and attacked Fenris so the number of traitors following Russ would be the minimum
M dick would explode.

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>>52994666
SATAN GET OUT WITH YOUR LIES

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>>52994481
>Sure you built the thing but you still can't fucking drive properly
>And a chipchong nipnong to you too Jaggy

Climb back into your FUCKING containment general RIGHT NOW.

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>>52993740
Human/superhuman mortality is an Alpha Legion ruse, everyone that ever lived is still alive.

>>52991918
>>52993085
Russ falling and becoming a Daemon Prince would make my dick diamonds.

>>52994666
>He got stranded in the webway on purpose
>He's going to fix the hole in there
>He's been in league with Cypher the entire time, it's why Cypher's been trying to get to the Emperor

>>52993740
I thought they came out with "The Battle of Pluto" thing
and retconned how Dorn killed Alpharius, which led to
Omegon took his place, meaning he "died" to Guilliman.

Is GW going for the "teleports behind you/it was a hologram" plot twist?

>>52994573
I think Magnus will be the one to turn too

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>>52994870
>>52994666
Russ becomes a daemon prince/corrupted. His new form is a giant daemon wolf. Space Wolves are so horrified to see their gene father be corrupted that they expunge all wolf iconography in their chapter and return to pure Viking aesthetics.

>mfw

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>>52994698

>>52993761
Even then, that's not really a face that's built for smiling to begin with.

>>52993546
you are the sort who should kill themselves.

>>52993546
What about the Tau?

>>52995256
He's right you know. 40k is entirely nonmoral.

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>>52995028
>pure Viking aesthetics like back in 3rd ed.

>>52995256
Indeed! How dare he imply Papa Nurgle is evil!
Papa Nurgle is love.

>>52993519
I wish GW had enough of a sense of humor to pull this, that's actually hilarious

If the greater Tyrannid swarm arrives in the galaxy, at the same time as this chaos fissure opens wide... Would all the Tyrannids fall into the warp like a funnel and everything be par for the course?

>>52996466
>chaos fissure opens wide
This is not how space works.

The entire "IT DIVIDED THE UNIVERSE" thing is so laughably stupid, that I can't help but imagine the writers as a bunch of 13 year olds, who are just shitting out things their retarded and hormone fuelled brain somehow thinks is cool.

>>52996640
It's a hole in space-time, a portal into an alternate dimension wherein there literally is no such thing as time or space because everything is immaterial.

Why, exactly, would this hole follows the laws of reality, physics, or space?

>>52996664
>hole
You dont get it.

This isnt a flat 2d space. A "hole" needs an area, but it is literally described as a line that splits the galaxy.

The writer is mentally retarded if he thinks you cant just go around it.

But again, it is probably the same retard who wrote the "set space on fire so you can't traverse it with space ships" clusterfuck.

They seriously need to find writers that has some semblance of common sense. Not even asking for an actual education in basic physics, just a tiny bit of common sense.

>>52996737
Oh... oh I misunderstood that.
Does he not understand the concept of a fully 3D space?

>>52996737
>set space on fire so you can't traverse it with space ships
wot?

>>52991003
Pert is a demon prince senpai.

So probably not

>>52996787
It's how they're keeping the tau out of the main story.

>>52996866
How the fuck do you even go about that, ignoring the fact that it wouldn't work?

>>52997161
By having an IQ fitting of a GW writer.

If you are stupid enough, space time starts to revolt, and allows otherwise impossible feats to be possible.

>>52996737
Likely speaking, you are correct. "Hole' is not an accurate representation of what the writer meant. It's far more likely that what they meant was to imply that the entire region of space, 3D space that is, is a fuckfest of warp energies and the like, thus severing communication or the ability to travel through it without suffering the consequences.

As for setting space on fire... what's the context of this? If it traces back to the warp, then it's also relatively easy to set aside disbelief even if it's a bit of a... strange choice to make.

>>52997523
>As for setting space on fire... what's the context of this? If it traces back to the warp, then it's also relatively easy to set aside disbelief even if it's a bit of a... strange choice to make.
Admech shenanigans.

They put rockets on top of several planets, that somehow form a wall of plasma across an insurmountable amount of space.

>>52997562
Now that, is pretty stupid... who knows what they were thinking with that one sigh.

>>52997562

I have always preferred the explanation that it is a warp-based storm. Which is why the Imperium didn't used it in Cadia.

>>52997523
>Likely speaking, you are correct. "Hole' is not an accurate representation of what the writer meant. It's far more likely that what they meant was to imply that the entire region of space, 3D space that is, is a fuckfest of warp energies and the like, thus severing communication or the ability to travel through it without suffering the consequences.
You cant just arbitrarily make a wall that is impossible to traverse, when you have access to FTL.

Even if we assume "it is chaos, fuck logic", the that makes even less sense, because then they should just have covered the entire universe in that hole. Instead, they make an arbitrary "impassable" WALL.

I feel like these writers actually want go be fantasy writers, and are desperately trying to ignore that this is a sci-fi setting, and that space is not actually a 3d space. All of this would have perfectly reasonable in a land based setting like, say, old Warhammer Fantasy...

I'm all aboard the 8th train but this new SUPER space marine annoys me.
>space marines, super human badaas elite soldiers
>grey knights, super secret even more elite super badass warriors
>custodes even super SUPER more awesome stronk marines
>new crusade marines, SUPER SUPER SUPER AWESOME MEGA STRONK MARINES
Holy fuck please stop. Having these fuckers side by side with normal marines will completely overshadow them. Just upgrade all space marines to the new truescale armour and statine please cause this shit is out of control it completely defeats the purpose of space marines. And for the record I'm down with story progression and all that shit but they are fucking with fundemental coolness of SMs

>>52997614
The problem is it's a "Warp" wall, a warp barrier. Faster than light travel in most of 40K is in due part to that very thing. A roiling, heaving, maelstrom of warp space is obviously an obstacle in a great much of 40k's literature. A giant "crack" or "fissure" in realspace is essentially the same, albeit on a gargantuan scale. Going around it should be possible of course, and that includes going "under" or "over", but it's also plausible that by doing so it extends travel times into an mess of extra months to decades of travel time. In the end, the warp functions as the writers need it to, and it's not as if we the fandom know everything possible about it (obviously we don't).

>>52997588
This has been debunked, because they have confirmed that warp travel allows you to bypass it. If it was a warp storm, warp travelling through would be suicide.

>>52997696
You don't use it to travel through it you idiot, you use it to travel AROUND it.

Going into a wall at FTL speeds, is still going into a wall, and that is a terrible idea, no matter what what that wall is made of.

>>52997780

Has it? I got the impression that it was extremely dangerous to do so.

>>52991918
>Ferrus Mannus is now The Mountain
I like it!

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>>52993085
>Snow Moglie emerges from the eye of terror as a full on daemon prince of the emperor, turning him inti a cerberus looking literal guard dog of his holy father

>>52991030
FUCK CURZE.

>>52997803
Sigh... Anon, that's exactly what I said. Going around increases travel times, regardless of how you do it. With an environment the size of the galaxy at state, travel times are going to be negatively affected from areas on opposite sides of the barrier. This effectively is a huge problem for the Imperium, something that will make many regions actively impossible to hold onto.

To summarize again. The "hole" is a shitty word for what is a massive 3D warpstorm that cuts in half parts of the Imperium. This creates problems in the form of increased travel times as ships must navigate around it, thousands more demonic invasions, and avenues of extra warp corruption.

>>52991353
Even if he could come back, he wouldn't.

That would rob him of his last victory.

>>52997803
>You don't use it to travel through it you idiot, you use it to travel AROUND it.
Think about this for a second. You are now going who-knows-how-far beyond charted warp routes, into space that never needed to be travelled through before, with no idea how disturbed these areas of warp are by the heretofore unseen levels of warp rift distensions now.

It might possibly be safer than trying to pass through all manner of warp shittery right in front of you in 3d space, but it's still questionable to attempt at best and suicidal at worst.

>>52990931
Corax is pure

PURE