Pathfinder General /pfg/

Why am I such a useless piece of shit that's degraded from being a damn good roleplayer to some bland and frankly inconsistent person?

I was good, once. Great, even! But now I feel like a burden every time I play, some shitter squatting in the way of better men. How do I get better, guys? How do I actually make myself worth a damn, like I used to be?

We were on page 6.

>>52988588
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>>52988588
Because you found a decent group, as opposed to a group that was actively worse than you are.

>>52988271
>tfw I'll never get to go to the Elemental Planes

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>>52988271
Other planes are the dumbest part of this dumb system and I always pretend they don't exist whenever possible.

>>52988637
GOOD

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>>52988588
>>52988637
>>52988733
>getfag btfo's by dubs
topkek

>>52988271
Does anyone have that link to the planehopping and worldjumping game? I can't find it on the LFG

>>52988271
HE ACTUALLY DID IT

>>52988804
Here you go my child
>>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/76041/mighty-quest-for-epic-loot-in-the-lair-of-the-kobold-queen

So last session my cleric 7/soul warder 3 got herself turned into a rabbit by failing the saves of a baleful polymorph and because it was more interesting and cheaper the druid cast awaken on me.

I am now a 12HD rabbit with no cleric powers and no hands. What do /tg/

>>52988938
find a witch or druid to cast anthropo spell on you.

Then after, convert to a nature god.

>>52988938
This
>>52988963
Its your best chance really. You don't want to get eaten by a dog, do you.

>>52988938
You failed both saves?

Sucks.

You could take the Transformation feat (Spheres of Power) when you next get one though if the DM's cool with that. That gives you the shapechanger subtype, so you'd be able to just turn back into being you as a standard.

Of course circumstances being what they are, it'd only be fitting if your Transformation form was a bunny.

And as for fluff, it's easily explained that since you were reawakened, you were able to figure it out.

Badda bing, baddaboop.

How much are claws worth on a race? Anything? Seems like the same as having a cruddy weapon and occupies the same hand that'd wield a weapon, but it's treated as really desirable. Why is that?

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>>52988938
Mooch off of townsfolk as hard as you can. Use that adorable face to your advantage.

>>52989134
Because two claws means two attacks in a full attack, even if you're something like a level 1 wizard.

>>52989134
They're a great low-level way to get multiple attacks, since they deal your full Strength bonus in damage.

That said, you should pass them up or trade them out at later levels if at all possible. A natural attack build would only be viable if you can get claws plus a bunch of other stuff (bite, gore, wings, tail, etc.).

>>52989144
I wanna punch this girl in the face for letting so many what I assume to be pet-store rabbits run around outside and potentially escape into the wilderness.

RIP ecosystem, you about to get as hardfucked as Australia was with rabbit.

Also, I'm sure your average medieval fantasy villager would think of some hasenpfeffer first when they see a rabbit

>>52989256
Its a small island in japan full of rabbits. Even since medieval times if I recall. People would go there and just pick the rabbits up to eat them since they come right up to people.

>>52989165
Well it depends how many natural attacks you can get, compared to how many you'd get from iteratives.

Also, while attacking with a sword in one hand and a claw from your other hand makes the claw hit at -5, it doesn't impact the sword's attack bonus like TWF would. Then there's things like gores or bites or whatever, which have zero disadvantage to using alongside iteratives or what-have-you.

Also, you can't be disarmed at all.

Basically claws and natural attacks are really nice.

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>>52988938
Why 12 HD?

>>52988938
Yeah seems like you are best off trying to get an anthropomorphise spell off. On the plus side you would be a bunny girl with the powers of a medium level character.

>>52989297
Well I mean.

Technically you can be disarmed.

It's just not usually done in the scope of most Pathfinder sessions...

>>52989298
Actual rabbit, you twatlord.

>>52989256
There's nothing on the island but rabbits, which is why they don't fear her.

Theories include that maybe the rabbits' ancestors were used for bioweapon testing during WWII.

>>52989331
Rabbits don't have 12 HD.

>>52989355
if you are awakened as a rabbit you return all your HD and levels.

>>52989282
Okay, I guess that's not as bad.

Still, I can't help but feel my hackles rise for a different reason now, since I get pissed off whenever I see wild animals run up to humans and beg for food.
THEY'RE WILD ANIMALS! THIS IS HOW YOU GET BEARS ATTACKING HIKERS FOR FOOD AND RAIDING HOUSES AT NIGHT YOU DUMBFUCKS

>>52989347
Interesting. I guess I need to do some more research on this island. thank you for giving me something new to do while I procrastinate on my projects

>>52989355
>>52989367
You don't even need to be awakened.

>It still retains its class and level (or HD), as well as all benefits deriving therefrom (such as base attack bonus, base save bonuses, and hit points). It retains any class features (other than spellcasting) that aren’t extraordinary, supernatural, or spell-like abilities.

>>52989380
They're rabbits. They aren't going to be doing any massive damage to anyone soon.

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>>52989367
>>52989388
But he's a cleric 7/soul warder 3, that's only 10 HD.

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>>52989355

That's a rather broad generalization.

>>52989436
Yeah I thought about that too huh

We don't know a lot about Starfinder, but do you think it's possible that martials vs casters will be less ridiculous?

What do you think they're streamlining?
Arcane/Divine/Etc spells are being folded into one category, and there's a wealth of new content being added

>>52989380
Actually, that's another issue with the island. The rabbits have no predators, so the people are just making sure they don't starve because they've already eaten almost all the grass and nobody wants to cull the population.

>>52989406
>Rabbits can't carry diseases like other rodents.

>>52989481
Pussy

>>52989406
One rabbit doesn't do massive damage, but they can breed very, very quickly. They can get pregnant from less than a year old, get impregnated almost immediately after giving birth, gestation lasts a month tops, and they can have around 6-10 kits per litter.

Rabbits if left unchecked can utterly destroy a farming village.

>>52989406
I take it you've never been to a park where human activity has taught the squirrels and rabbits where food is kept, and found tha your plastic bins of camping supplies have been chewed through and destroyed, and your tent, sleeping bags, and matress have been damaged.

Wild animals becoming psuedo-domesticated is never a good thing, for either the animals or the humans

Also I swear to fuck if another squirrel gnaws its way into the transformer, one more fuckign time

>>52989513
Why are you calling me things you can't get?

>>52989436
Well technically it'd be 11HD. A 1HD rabbit with 10 class levels.

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>>52989355
>>52989298
Because awaken grants the animal or in this case me 2 additiona hit dice alongside int and Cha increases

>>52989569
Oh, so THIRTEEN total HD then.

1 from Rabbit
2 from Awaken
10 class levels.

>>52988271
The last time I ran a Pathfinder game, the PCs went to the Plane of Shadow.

It was a dark reflection of Athens.

>>52988938
I think you're completely fucked, you have to wade through retraining prices and timesinks to get those trash HD converted to class levels.

>>52989784
Baleful Polymorph doesn't take away your class levels. They're still cleric and whatever levels.

>>52989859
Yeah well technically it doesn't change your type either, since it's just Beast Shape 3 so Awaken wouldn't work.

>>52989913
True but the DM hand waved that's because fun

>>52989934
I preferred the 3.5 way of how it works anyways where it actually turns you into the animal.

>>52989934
>>52989913
Oh then if it's handwave fluff magic, then it can have the same kind of solution. Nothing wrong with doing it that way either if it's fun.

>>52989998
Yeah it was a much stronger spell though I do appreciate the pathfinder change to having my armour meld into my body.

An inquisitor of Erastil with the feat to let me use WIS for longbow attack rolls with only 13 dex to get deadly aim and other range goodies with chivalry inquisition for a mount, two levels in fighter (dragoon) for proficiencies, Skill Focus (ride) and Mounted combat and an extra feat from level 2 (and maybe level 3 for armor training) in heavy armor.

Yay or nay?

>>52990306
Are you going Sanctified Slayer so you can pick up Manyshot down the road via Slayer Talent poaching, or do you plan on just using a belt to qualify for it?

>>52990306
Sounds good I guess

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>>52989470
Yeah.

I think something like only 6th level spells will be the maximum for a good while, plus some 4e stuff where people have more of a niche to fill without being able to delve too much into anothers.

>>52990374
>>52990306
Do Sanctified Slayer like Anon suggested, and you're fucking golden.

Regarding crafting magic items, is the CL requirement a prerequisite that can be ignored by raising the DC?
Example: Sword of Example +1 would need [1st Level Spell] and CL 5. Could a level 1 character do it?

I unironically want to play a Shaman as a support character.

The question is, how do I do it?

>>52990478
Consider being styled as some kind of native american shaman.

But the shaman class has alright spellcasting for support oriented characters if thats how you end up playing. Its alright as a secondary caster if you have a wizard in your group already.

alternatively become a witch and use the witchdoctor archetype for real feels.

>>52990456
If I remember correctly, caster level is the only thing you CAN'T raise the DC to get around.

>>52989470
>We don't know a lot about Starfinder, but do you think it's possible that martials vs casters will be less ridiculous?

There is not a single class you can start out as at level 1 and eventually get 9th level casting, they're all 6th casters.

>>52990456
Your Sword of Example +1 should only require CL 3 to craft, IIRC, but yeah, that's right. You can completely ignore all of the prereqs for wondrous items EXCEPT for the Craft Wondrous Item feat.

>>52990579
>>52990598
So...

>>52990594
All the casters you mean right. I can't imagine that soldiers get spells. Pretty sure you can get to level 9 with secondary classes is what they are hinting at.

>>52989470
Honestly I don't know if I like the idea of arcane/divine being the same thing. I appreciated the distinction between casters, but since they are making it backwards compatable, wizards and clerics could probably be right along side technomancers and solarians.

Have you applied to Overlewd yet, anons?

Remember the apps end tomorrow morning!

>>52990579
You also can't ignore the spell component for spell completion and I think spell trigger items?

So you can't ignore it for scrolls and wands. And I think potions as well?

Basically, things that just do the spell, far as I can tell.

>>52990598
Well he's talking about Magic Arms and Armor, but...

>>52990622
Yeah, you can't bypass the CL requirement.

>>52990680
I did, but I'm still in my last revision.

>>52990622
"Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item’s creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed). The DC to create a magic item increases by 5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet. The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting its prerequisites."

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/
Under Magic Item Creation. Also, I should mention that usually a minimum caster level isn't even a prereq at all.

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>>52988901
Do you think the kobold queen will be lewdable

>>52990699
>"Creating a magic weapon has a special prerequisite: The creator’s caster level must be at least three times the enhancement bonus of the weapon."
It is a prereq in this case, that's why I came here.
>>52990683
Thanks

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>>52990719
>Kobold
>lewdable
You're on /tg/, I believe you know the answer to this one already

>>52990732
I know, but I'm clarifying that most items don't have a minimum CL requirement. And in any case, you can ignore that requirement, >>52990683 is wrong. With exception to potions, spell trigger, and spell completion items (wands and staves, basically), the ONLY thing you can't ignore is the appropriate item creation feat. You can ignore spells, you can ignore minimum caster levels, you can ignore racial and class requirements, you can ignore minimum skill rank requirements, you can even ignore feat requirements other than the crafting feat.

>>52990764
>>52990719
He's right you know. You better get your shinies together if you plan to join that game.

>>52990764

What the fuck is wrong with you people, why do you think cartoon lizards are something you should have sex with, much less pursue a relationship for?

>>52990680
I did, but I haven't gotten any feedback yet from Sleep, so I don't know what (of any) edits I should make. One of the reviewanons mentioned more on his personality, but I feel like what I posted was enough for an application, since I'be always had trouble describing a character's personality before I've actually played them. Better at showsing than telling, essentially.

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>>52990846
>hownewareyou.png

>>52990848

I agree with show vs. tell in general but applying to games is so cut throat and so much competition

>>52990431
Were I to go sanctified slayer I would fish it with slayer talents as that's about the only good one I can recall, but I am not a fan of sneak damage with ranged weapons. Any other ones or should I just toss a coin between SS and vanilla?

whats the point in crafting oozes if they aren't loyal to you and wont follow commands?

>>52990680
I still have to go do my first batch of revisions because I am a huge fag who puts things off. In my defense, I had company over this weekend.

Get some sniper goggles and have a fullcaster hit you with Greater Invisibility.

>>52990926
Certain classes and spells can control oozes, but you normally use them for utility. Like breaking through locked doors by putting a little tiny green ooze on it, making pit traps a bit deadlier, locking people in a room and throwing an ooze in there, etc.

But there are classes and spells that can control them direct.

>>52990934
>second part of my post doesn't actually quote >>52990918

Just gonna go lay down for a bit, clearly something is fucked upstairs.

>>52990948
how do you carry oozes with you after creation? Also, do you know any of the spells to control them? I'm only moderately experienced in pathfinder and just rolled a wizard and I want to take item creation feats as my bonus feats.

>>52990881

That kobold is in desperate need of some pants. She's going to go into torpor, and I don't want to have to carry her scaly butt around just because she didn't think to dress appropriately.

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Was there ever a moment in a game where you went pic related, the DM or a player doing something you absolutely could not bear or enjoy, and had your character basically say as much in-game?

>>52990991
There should be items called Bottled ooze or Ooze bottles.

Otherwise its tough. There might be a spell called Ooze Puppet too.

You can try Lesser Create Demiplane to transport all of the creations to the temporary plane, then when you need them, would dispel the plane, causing them to pop out within his vicinity (typically in an enemy stronghold or similar fun locale) to wreak havoc in mass.

Otherwise create ooze is very niche and create construct is much better.

>>52990918
Studied Target from Sanctified Slayer is much more important than Sneak Attack dice. Sneak Attack dice and Slayer Talents are the icing on the cake.

>>52990563
I was thinking of cheesing lore to make sure I have all the spells.

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>>52990680
Just uploaded my sheet.

Now I just have to believe in RNG to get ReviewAnon on my case

>>52988271
>three pages of outline for backstory
>still haven't decided if it's a man or a woman

this has been happening to me more and more recently.

>>52991213
which one is it?

>>52990680
I'm going to as a last moment addition, he's not going to get in but I got nothing better to do today.

>>52991213
>tfw I know that lamia from a hypnosis edit

How small this world truly is.

>>52991213
Don't. I was one of the first apps and my character still hasn't been reviewed.

>>52991222
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4905558/applications-go-here/?pageforid=4948937#post-4948937

>>52988901
>>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/76041/mighty-quest-for-epic-loot-in-the-lair-of-the-kobold-queen

If I remember correctly aint there that one planet in the pathfinder setting FULL of dragons and kobolds? So much so that the people from there actually use them as mounts unlike other places?

>>52991147
There's also a small clause from Chivalry inquisition.

At 8th level, when you use your judgment ability, your mount gains the benefit of one of your selected judgments.

At 16th level, your mount gains the benefits of two of your selected judgments.

>>52991324
A reasonable GM would let it apply to Studied Strike and Sneak Attack, IMO

So, are there any known ways to reduce MAD if you are gestalting wizard and druid? Maybe like..Wis Wizard or Int Druid? Both 3e and PF material are welcome

>>52991448
How about instead of Gestaliing the two, you make a wizard with either an Elemental School, or have your wizard half take Magaambyan Arcanist PrC? Spirit whisperer might also be good instead of the elemental school.

>>52991448
Not as far as I'm aware. Druid | Sorcerer works a bit better, as there's both a cha-based druid archetype and a wis-based sorcerer bloodline.

>>52991364
Yeah, but he and the other players are allergic to anything they perceive as optimizing.

>>52991215
All my characters have nongendered names for that exact reason. Gender doesn't matter for most of the backstories I write, so I don't know which one it'll be until the party assembles and I pick the one we have less of.

>>52991448
Probably by not Gestalting with two different kinds of casters. There's probably several much better ways to do what you want, like Wis-Sorcerer with Druid or something.

>>52991554
>Allergic to anything they perceive as optimizing
>anon has one of THOSE groups

I'mso, so sorry.

>>52991215
Roll for it randomly!

>>52991215
I usually switch, making every other character a man or a woman.

>>52991277
yeah the distant worlds book was super fun. I like the idea of a world completely bare with the occasional ruin or giant tower ruled by an alien lich

>>52991856
That brings up a good point. Only liches, skeletons, and other undead immune to cold could survive in the void of space right? So zombies and vampires would explode, mummies would survive too.

>>52991882
There's a void kineticist talent that allows for survival in space, which can be taken by living creatures

>>52992158
Aren't there space suits for like 2k gold and a level 5 spell for that too

>you will never scrub down an angry catgirl
Why live

>>52992261
There is a game open right now that has high possibility of angry catgirl

>>52992268
Roleplaying it is but a pale simulacrum of cuteness

I would know, I just did it

>>52992284
She's not a cat yet.
She's just crazy.

>>52992306
So what you're saying is that at some point she's going to be a crazy cat lady?

>>52992268
>>52992284
Genetically engineered catgirls for domestic ownership, when?

I've been out for awhile. What has pazio/DSP done while I've been gone?

Are there any new classes that someone wants me to buildpost?

>>52992424
The entirety of Spheres of Might.

Good luck.

>>52992424
SoM?

>>52992424
oh no

>>52992384
Not soon enough

>>52992464
Oh. That sounds like it could be really fun or completely terrible. Explain further?

>>52992480
:^)

>>52992531
>>52992531
spoiler alert, 2hu already broke the Smith, don't waste your time there.

>>52992531
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?520046-Drop-Dead-Studios-Spheres-of-Might-Open-Playtest

>>52992544
Link?

>>52992544
Not just the smith, a lot of SoM in general like Alchemy.

>>52992424
break a Kinetic Knight build for me

>>52992598
Ask him in discord? He posted the builds in here, doing stupid shit like killing a 4x4 grid of CR16s at like, level 5 I think it was?

>>52992641
everything you touch is already ruined for people rory

>>52992700
fuck off I'm not that faggot

I just wanna see kinetic knight vs buildposter

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>new Overlewd app
>Magus || Fighter

>>52993038
For dimension door full attacks that will kill anything in the monster manual at level 1.

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>>52993056
...What?

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>>52993056
I mean I guess that suits this picture

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>>52993056
>Dimension Door at level 1

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>>52993038
>>52993056
>>52993127
>Magus||Fighter, and a Strix
>Using art of Morrighan with her eyes open

Man, you're cute, trying to shoot for the moon like that.

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>>52993056
>level 4 spell
>level 1
Hello hello what yes

>>52993197
>keen impact
what

So /pfg/, have you ever chosen damnation rather than surrender?

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>>52993330
Personally or with a character?

>>52993375
Either.

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>>52993330
Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.

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>>52993375

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>>52993330
It's a Paladin's duty to stand even against his own god, even against loss of his own life or powers, if it means doing the right thing. No one is above the law.

>>52993868
Let's be real though, Paladins doing that are actually trying to be cool. You are risking everything to think of yourself as the biggest badass there is.

>>52993868
>if it means doing the right thing
Generally speaking, even in pagan religion gods are the ultimate authority on what is good.

>>52993963
remember. There is no crying in baseball. If you are a paladin then god is watching so you got to impress.

>>52993868

It's easy to die for your God, it's harder to live for them.

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>>52994007
And when they go back on their word because they've been corrupted by dark forces or madness, what then? The god you pledged to would want you to help them. Saving your god from themself is the most loyal, heroic and hard thing you can do, but if the time ever comes, a Paladin is immune to fear.

>>52994011
>no crying in baseball
sorry dad

Are there any games running where I could be a charismatic space captain or do I have to wait for starfinder.

>>52994395
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/75981/raining-oil-and-blood

>>52994395

Wait for Starfinder, it's only a few months away!

>>52994153
I think you just wrote part of my next custom pantheon, anon.

>Paladanon (temp), LG deity of justice, courage and fuck yous
>Formerly the strongest paladin of a now-dead LG god of redemption, mercy kills and old yellers
>spearheaded a holy crusade, gathering a relatively small following of clergy and clerics to save or destroy that god hundreds of years ago because it had become corrupted in his eyes
>practically blew up the church singlehandedly, fought angels, brought his fellow paladins to their knees, and in the end had to kill the god to do the right thing by the god's own words he'd sworn by
>had to take up the god's mantle himself to fill the void left and eternally battle the forces of evil in its place

>may have actually just been fucking insane or unwilling to listen to the god's change of heart and there's a split church now, half of it underground and praying for the return of dead god
>this schism and the amount of destroyed angels/sacred places have badly crippled the forces of Good and caused the current upswell in the fiendish powers

>>52994153
>a Paladin is immune to fear
Uh, yeah. About that. I, uh, archetype'd that away. It seemed so extraneous when I already had cha to will.

>>52994500
The spoiler ruined it, Anon. Drop that part, and you're Good.

>>52994395
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/76041/mighty-quest-for-epic-loot-in-the-lair-of-the-kobold-queen

>>52994512
You've made yourself vulnerable to Intimidate though, which isn't a Will save, as well as any fear effects that still leave you shaken on a successful save.

>>52994548
Well, uh, you see there's a perfectly valid explanation for all this.

I'm not a Paladin, I'm a Zealot. Nobody at the table has figured this out yet.

>>52994442
Eh, gundams and power armor aren't really my thing I guess.

>>52994543
>Kobolds
>catgirls
>loot
>booty
>Plane and worldhopping
Now this is what I am talking about.

>>52994583
No one has figured out you using maneuvers and a Psionic collective?

>>52994543
>those char gen rules
This has to be a fucking troll.

>>52994586
>i want starships but not badass mechs

kys

>>52994527
Fair enough. Thank you for your input

>>52994500
>god's strongest paladin
>all his power comes from the god
>fought and won against the god's armies and the god

Couldn't this only happen if the god was putting more of its power into the paladin than it even had left in itself?

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Under the soul-crushing influence of corruption brought about by curative magic and emotionally insecure after her failure to save her companion Cashmere from the vile Manticore, Gloriana is enticed by the fiendish Lady Dina Martel into a liaison in her study.

>>52994603
I haven't been explicitly stating "Enduring Crane Strike!" just "A 24 hits? Good, 11 damage and Jacaque, you're healed for 5.". Nobody's actually questioned how I'm taking damage for other people, healing when I stab people, or no-selling attacks that should have hit. Nor has anybody questioned my iaijutsu or my ability to just walk out across the water to stab the merfuckers.

>>52994651
Seriously, without it, it's super awesome and bittersweet. Drop the spoiler and I'd be proud to call it my setting element.

>>52994623
>>Everything allowed besides gestalt.
Seems fine to me anon

>>52994689
Unless he was secretly being assisted by other gods who thought that god was a jerk.

>>52994696
What book allows iaijutsu like that?

>>52994706
>but 3rd party and hybrid classes(swashy is fine) can be petitioned
Banned fucking hybrid classes bar the swashbuckler. The fucking swashbuckler.

>>52994689
>>52994706
Or maybe that god's subconscious was on the Paladin's side, even if he couldn't control what he was consciously doing or directing due to corruption/madness.

>>52994731
The way its written it looks like there is no problem with base classes and swashbuckler, but 3pp etc is a bit stricter.

>>52994718
Path of War and Path of War Expanded.

I'm running a Zealot with the Discordant Crusader archetype. Threw on Unothodox Method to grab the Mithral Current discipline, which is the iaijutsu.

Over all, I can do a bit of psistabby from my few Sleeping Goddess maneuvers, healsmite with Silver Crane, no-sell attacks and make ranged melee with Mithral Current, and if shit gets bad IC I'll break out the Black Seraph for shock and awe.

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>>52994693
Hot.

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>>52994543
that's the kind of catgirl is what I am talking about

>>52994689
>>52994706
barring this >>52994733 (which is great stuff to work with anyhow), it's also the Paladin's own considerable bravery and might being added onto it. This is THE strongest Paladin we're talking about, probably 20th level and balls deep into mythic or epic or whatever.

>>52994824
If I remember correctly, above mythic there is a level called divine for gods. In mythic levels you can start to fight their avatars which are like, a portion of their power manifested, but nowhere near their full might. If it was THE strongest paladin, it would need to be a few of them. If I recall something actually happened where seven of the strongest paladins got together to defeat the avatar of tiamat and seal her away when she was weakened.

It is very difficult to kill gods unless you yourself have a divine score or some sick-ass magic and trickery up your sleeve.

>>52994693
W-what happened to Cashmere part 2?

why are these threads so slow lately?

I miss fast /pfg/

>>52995044
Its the weekend. Everyone is gaming.

>>52995044
90% of /pfg/ posts belong to 10% of posters, so occasionally a few of them will happen to be out at the same time grinding speed down to a crippling halt.

>>52995044
>11:32pm EST
>Sunday night

Idunno man, you tell me

>>52995044
Everyone is playing their memegames. It's just you and me here.

Sup /tg/, I'm the DM from last night that was talking about a Discworld Campaign.

Today my party got together to tell me that they want to 'reboot' at a different area in the setting, in addition to making new characters. I also wanted to get more players(we only had 3), and starting over at level 3 was better for getting new players on instead of level 7. And besides, the campaign power level was getting too high, too fast. Like, to a point that at level 7 with only 3 people, the only way I could even feasibly 'scare' the party away from something was to plop down a motherfucking Balrog/Balor, and even then they were at a point they could 'potentially' kill it.

So I went and got two more players, both really cool dudes that I was in a different campaign with, and I had them all make new characters while I came up with some new city states for a new region.

And while I was coming up with a city state whose major problem was democracy itself, one of my party members took me aside... And each player has me talk to them alone, away from the rest of the party.
> Player 1: "Yo, can I make a lawful evil character"
> Player 2: "Hey man, I want to make a neutral evil cleric"
> Player 3: "Yea, I want to make a neutral evil cult-leader bard"
> Player 4: "Can I play an anti-paladin?"
> Player 5: "Yo, I wanna play an evil character?"
> MFW
> Sigh quietly and mentally shove aside my campaign notes, as I inform the entire party that we are now in an all evil campaign.

>>52995069
>>52995044
Now kiss

>>52995076
RIP. But now you have an excuse to use the cool good-aligned monsters.

>>52995040
I'm afraid you'll have to ask the writers. You could always...

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>>52995106
At this point I decided to just say "FUCK IT" and turn the silliness up a notch even further.

"WELCOME. YOU HAVE ALL BEEN SUMMONED BEFORE THE MIGHTY DARK LORD GAL-NAHOOOM, INTO HIS TOWER IN THE CITY OF NORTHWALL"

"Before you is standing some crazy dude wearing just black robes, and standing over a very poorly made summoning circle drawn with crayon"

> Party immediately casts sleep on him
> Throw him over the balcony of the third floor of the tower
> Argue for about a minute over who gets what part of the tower
> Walk downstairs to find him somehow still alive, but obviously crippled
> They all kick him repeatedly until he dies
> 25 minutes later:
> The entire city is sacked as a horde of ORKS being led by the cult-leader bard institute a fascist regime.

Yea, I'm going to have so much fun now with the good aligned monsters.

/pfg/ I'm bored, tell me about your favorite instances of GM's tinkering with Adventure Paths for more fun

>>52995069
>>52995086
I'll do it

How do you play a barbarian without defaulting to the generic hulk attitude? People say it's possible but I'm not creative enough to know how.

Also, if I'm using a 2handed weapon, why would I want to play a barbarian over a fighter? Why would I want to play a fighter over a barbarian?

>>52994153
>And when they go back on their word because they've been corrupted by dark forces or madness, what then
Then they're still Good, by definition, unless there's another god of goodness that's superior to them by definition. If Ahura Mazda goes mad and you don't follow him, you become Evil by definition of opposing Ahura Mazda. If Spenta Mainyu goes mad, you can remain good by following Ahura Mazda, because Ahura > Spenta.

>>52995357
Well, there are a hundred ways to play a barbarian. My favorite is weightlifting muscleman who worships the god Kord, god of lifting and battle. You could also try playing as a tribal warrior or caveman, any sort of combination. But barbarians make a particularly flavorful worshipper of gods of battle.

anyways, if you are using a two handed weapon, (which you should if you are a barb) you will be getting a hundred times more bang for your buck when it comes to your insane strength and rage. People pick barbarians over fighters because of high HD, super high damage, and the rage powers. There are many to choose from, like raging hurler, the leap and pounce tree, and body bludgeon, plus a ton more.

You also have access to invulnerable rager, which is super excellent barbarian archetype.


People would pick fighter for (slightly) higher defense, extra feats, and weapon specs. But just using a two handed weapon, you wont usually be able to get as much damage out as a barbarian, but you might have room for more combat feats.

>>52995357
>Barbarian > Fighter
Str stacking for max damage

>Fighter > Barbarian
Better armor, more feats.

>>52995273
Not a story that actually happened but I had a chance to play the first book of Carrion Crown straight, and the entire time I was thinking to myself that it'd be a lot better played up as a Tim Burton style comedic horror adventure.

>>52995357
Remember anon, just because the class is a Barbarian uh, does not mean you are supposed to be the Incredible Hulk or something, it just means that you have this kind of inhuman strength or ability to unlock your adrenaline when you need it

Rage itself does not forbid you to speak or anything, so its not exactly something like Frenzied Barbarian's frenzy where you literally lose all sort of rational mind. It can instead be a sense of extreme focus(there are archetypes for this) or a big adrenaline rush instead of losing control of yourself

For my latest Barbarian, hes this mercenary who outside the job, is this silly, often foolish, happy-go-lucky person who would always prefer violence to be a last resort, but in battle itself, when it seems peace is not a solution anymore, hes not afraid to cleave somebody in twain to make a point and actually enjoy the fight in process, but I make it clear that he has not gone frothing mad, just unlocking the limits of his body

>>52995357
Lemme 'splain it to ya, sonnie.

>Generic Hulk Attitude
You can play the rage as a number of things. There was an article somewhere on a blog about fifty different ways to fluff the rage. A couple off the top my head? Battle trance, fight-or-flight response, being driven by an insatiable desire for glory, all of them "fit" the mechanics of rage to an extent.

Secondly, you play a Barbarian with two-handed weapon because it requires investment in maybe two feats (Power Attack, Furious Focus) and then you can go anywhere else with the build. Fighters excel when you need a LOT of feats to make a combat style work or come online early (ranged, Dex-to-damage, throwing weapons even), and you want more consistent damage over time.

>>52995357
Barbarians are generally the better choice for straight two handed. You won't be getting a lot more extra defense with that heavy armor than medium armor and barbarians can take invulnerable rager for free DR which is a ton better than a few extra points of AC

How the fuck do we fix alignments

>>52995459
alignments are fine nigger, just read or play them a better way

>>52995459
Stop taking them so fucking seriously and just use them as a vague guideline instead of a hard and fast rule.

>>52995459
There's no fix to alignments. You either accept them and take advantage of them as they are, or you chop them up and toss them out. Any issues with them and their intention is unavoidable by their nature.

>>52995424
Would a single level of fighter be worth it if I'm looking for a lot of feats early on?

>>52995417
Anon, we're not robots down here. If Zeus tells you to swear to him that you'll smite the shit out of anyone who steals from the less fortunate for their own gain, then 200 years later mugs an unclothed orphan in the street to buy a mug of ale, you dust off your fucking godslaying hammer in Zeus's name to kick Zeus's ass.

>>52995519
Alternatively, can I skip Power Attack until level 3?

>>52991215

Always play as a man unless you have very good reasons to pick a woman.

>>52995459
Divorce them from gameplay so people stop arguing about whether or not you can make an undead that's unaffected by Smite Evil and make Smite Evil "Smite" and just work on whatever your god says is evil (so Pharasma will always be able to Smite an undead no matter how amazingly virtuous they are and someone who worships Asmodeus will be able to Smite angels), and Circle of Protection against X just works against anything you designate.

Make Lawful Moral (strength of personal moral compass) and Ethical (how much you care about the jurisdiction you're under)
Make Good Benevolence / Malevolence (do you think you're doing the right thing) and Selfish-/Selflessness (are you doing shit for yourself, for your group, or for literally everyone)
There
This also makes Hitler Benevolent Neutral as a bonus

is there ever a reason not to take leadership if you have a high charisma?

>>52995560
That's not how divinity works anon. Ahura Mazda is not a good person, he is Goodness. You don't define Ahura Mazda in relationship to Good, you define Good as "Ahura Mazda". Gods aren't just bigger people no matter what cursory readings of folklore and your common sense tells you.

>>52995577
Yeah, the DM banned it.
It's not always useful depending on your campaign setting and eats a feat, which might be in short supply depending on your build

>>52995577
It's a pain in the ass for your GM, slows down the already slow combat, and makes you look like a maximusdickus.

>>52995519
Just go human, but barbarians need two feats to be good. Power attack, and Raging Vitality. Raging vitality stops you from instantly dieing due to HP loss from rage loss when you fall unconscious. Plus getting your rage even better.

>>52995564
What feat would you rather take if not power attack?

>>52995602
But most games use feat tax rules so you really only need one feat to be good.

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Is it DM or GM

>>52995577
Well...

>Your GM might ban it
>You might be in a campaign where leadership is impractical (a dungeon crawl, something like Reign of Winter, etc.)
>It wouldn't make sense for the character (i.e despite having superb charisma, your character might be better going it alone)

>>52995602
I would also contest that Furious Focus is a nice thing to have, but by no means is it necessary

>>52995584

While you're right, I believe we're discussing a Golarion, where the gods may have Goodness built into them, but they are not a font of Goodness itself.

>>52995602
I'm already human.

There are a lot of feats I want.

>>52995617
You're gonna make fun of me.

>>52995622
interchangeable. I use DM because I am used to from 3.5

>>52995622
I say DM by habit but GM is basically always the better term unless you also run your game in a fetish shop.

>>52995631
I find furious focus only 'okay' because when you usually end up with such a high to-hit that even with the piddly -3 on average penalty, you will hit almost always.

>>52995577
The only time Leadership ever feels legit is in a small party or 1-on-1 game desu. Any other time and it feels like I'd be an absolute ass if I took it.

>>52995040
This was a parallel story track that was completed in time to be shown, so I figured I'd share them with y'all since you folks like this sort of stuff. I'm really liking the opportunity to practice!

>>52995634
Golorian gods are just bigger people

>>52995662
>Unless you run your game in a fetish shop

Isn't that what Roll20 and Discord are?

>>52995635
lets hear anon. cough 'em up

>>52995671
Not always true, considering the creator gods created everything.

>>52995602
>Power Attack being a feat
LITERALLY every time

>>52995663
I feel it's better for classes that don't have full BaB, but it's a "nice" feat to have. Pick it up if you don't really have any other good option.

>>52995577
If you can win without it, all it's doing is slowing everything down all the time. It's objectively one of if not the most powerful feat though, so what I'm talking about is literally equivalent to speedrunning strats, not overall power.

>>52994693

I don't know how I should feel about that second half.

>>52988271
Anyone have pictures of the Starfinder First Contact they'd be willing to share? I'm curious about the player races.

>>52995681
Racial Heritage (Storm Giant), Storm Soul, and Storm Warrior.

>>52995459
Alignments aren't a problem, people's interpretations are.

It's an inherent issue that Morality is full of grey areas, but it'd be a lot less muddy if it was Order and Chaos rather than Law and Chaos, so people don't go crosseyed and think it means local laws instead of any kind of compacts you've agreed to.

Actual laws in this case are societal compacts. You follow the laws, and the laws will protect you. Violate them, and you will be punished. You can choose to not abide by those laws, but doing so and not violating them is done by not living in that area. It's one of those 'by living here you agree to X' things. Like how supermarkets have those 'we reserve the right to check bags' signs. It's a condition of entry.

But then there's other things. Promises are one. Keeping a promise even if you really don't want to is Lawful, because you're abiding by a compact. Keeping a promise to do a thing you were gonna do anyway though is probably just neutral since it didn't change your course of action.

>>52995664
This is how I feel too. Any of the so called "legitimate" uses of the feat for full sized parties shouldn't be a feat, they should just be a matter of your interactions with NPCs.

>>52995699
That is a good way to describe it. Barbarians in general you can build pretty much any way and still be good with just those two feats.

>>52995717
That is a very flavorful backstory for a barbarian. I like it. Storm warrior might make up for missing power attack, but desu, I would probably take power attack level 1, storm warrior level 3, and raging vitality level 5

>>52995718
Alignments are a problem because morality isn't a grey area in D&D/PF, there's defined alignments for entire species, and there's actual gameplay reliances on your alignment.

>>52995622
who cares

>>52995769
Because in general a creature is evil or neutral or whatever. An evil orc might give a kid a flower one day without eating it, but in general the orc is evil

>>52995754
It wouldn't be so bad if Storm Warrior didn't require both Racial Heritage and Storm Soul. It's a fun feat, but the investment required kind of blows, especially when Power Attack is so important.

>>52995769
alignments don't lock down a particular creature. Just because kobolds are evil, does not mean all kobolds have to be evil. Or vice versa. What it means, is creatures inherently evil, like undead (except for rare exceptions) are evil and affected by spells that target evil.

>>52995815
An LG Kobold doesn't get hit by Smite Evil, I'm pretty sure.

>>52995805
Just take storm warrior level 3 and power attack level 1. No biggie. Your barbarian will already be a giant among men. He better have 20 strength and super high con too.

>>52995769
The looser you treat alignments, the better off the game would be, I think.

Heck, what I would do with Paladins is scrap Detect entirely and... maybe make Smite work on anything, but do half level (min 1) damage bonus rather than full level?

Contrast it with Challenge. Challenge is DAMAGE. But Smite is still +to-hit and +AC vs anything you choose to use it on. A more defensive/supportive bent.

And Paladin is super solid, losing a little bit of damage won't hurt them if they can use it on anything.

>>52995769
Do the gods of Golarion even keep a consistent definition of morality?

Blingmaker WHEN

>>52995829
Exactly what I am saying. But a LG undead would still get hit by smite evil.

>>52995836

Norgorber is uniformly a gigantic asshole. Same with Zyphus.

>>52995835
I just do >>52995568. Smite should work on more or less anything you think is worthy of smiting, or if you're not a paladin / a self-worshipper, whatever your god thinks it worthy of smiting.

>>52995836
SARENRAE WORSHIP IS A RELIGION OF PEACE

>>52995859
Well the thing is, if you didn't think it was worthy of smiting, why would you be smiting it in the first place?

>>52995836
Irori is pretty much the definition of lawful neutral

>>52995705
What do you mean?

>>52995878
Well yeah, but you can make them tell you their code / creed so they can't smite the guy next door to steal his shit.

>>52995568
I've been having fun playing off some of these mechanics.

> Drowners that play off the whole "not magic undead", in that they aren't scanned by detect magic, nor are they scanned by detect undead, but they are harmed by spells that effect undead. You just gotta learn the signs that point to drowners being nearby, such as bogs with an acidic smell, or bodies floating around sources of muddy water.
> Certain kinds of vampires that aren't bothered by sunlight. They're merely not **invisible** under it. The party loves going after these because their feathers can be used to make a magical cloak which gives a hefty stealth bonus when not exposed by the light of a natural fire.
> Huge monsters that rely on HARD fortitude saves(enough to threaten the tank) alongside con-damage to attack the players, which forces the cleric to stay on his toes and horde stat restorations.
> Going after fae means that having cold iron on you is absolutely essential. There's a high-level fae monster out there that can straight up command you to kill yourself, and unless you have cold iron on you, you're looking at passing some fairly difficult will saves.
And just recently:
> A squad of lich-cultists(just level 2 peasants with 'zealot' morale and only 9 hp with AC11) wielding Bulls-eye lanterns. They're actually ferrying around SWARMS of lurkers in light, so if you get caught in the beams, you'll quickly find yourself eating anywhere from 12 to 36 attacks. The alchemist's haemonculous would have gotten eaten if it weren't for a smarter party member dropping a fireball directly onto the 'monculous.

Most of this stuff is me trying to make combat more complicated and more interesting for the combat-monster party. Everyone is so deadly that if I just throw a monster with 100 HP at them, it'll die in a single round, so the monsters wound up being just as deadly, and reliant on strange mechanics to try and keep the party on their toes.

>>52995568
There's no accounting for delusions.

>>52995910
Thats just a sign of you becoming a more powerful DM. I would say you might have reached about 5th level DM status.

Consider ghosts and storms and other environmental hazards besides water and heights.

>>Also actually using high level fae, now that is cool.

What happened to that Harem anon from a few threads back. Was that a bamboozle

>>52995910
None of that sounds particularly difficult. Just more high numbers and tediousness.

>>52995948
Morality doesn't care about delusions though.

>>52995902
The partner the noblewoman introduced to Gloriana, that felt way more raunchy than a simple monster.

>>52994442
Holy shit those mech rules fuck up pathfinders math so badly

>>52995979
I don't know, and frankly I don't care. It's harem, anon. Harem is a thing you do naturally over a real campaign, making it a focus in any way is just stupid.

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Bow to the king of daddies

>>52996063
Oh sod off Mephisto.

Moloch's better than you.

>>52996049
It feels like its held together by string and hope anyways.

>>52996063
I already made that meme

>>52996063
>the fiends are all incredibly hot
>the angels look like shit
hmmm what do they mean by this

>>52996073
Dispater > Mephistopheles > Moloch

>>52996092
>>52996073
>>52996063
Charon's better than the lot of you.

>>52996073

Moloch is only cool because he looks like a metal boss. Personality-Wise, he's reminiscent of that kid who started out DnD with his first fighter - you know the one, we all played one. The martial that's super disciplined and stuff.

Making surre I'm not missing some RAW.

Can you sunder with a whip at 15ft? Ignore reasons as to why not to, I'm only interested if I can.

>>52996092
>Alone among the archdevils, he maintains a passing acquaintance with courtly love and marriage, conferring with his advisors on matters of state.
So who's the lucky girl?

>>52996135
Feronia, goddess of fire and fertility.

>>52996117
>Profession:Sailor +50
>liking a sailor
MMM SAILORS HAVE SUCH ROUGH HANDS

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How do you build him?

>Ragathiel was once served by the Hand of the Inheritor, an angel who now acts as the goddess Iomedae's herald. Then known as the Hand of Vengeance, this angel asked to be reassigned to Iomedae after the death of Aroden

RAGATHIEL BTFO

>>52996135
Me

>>52995990
All the more reason for me to have restarted the campaign at a lower level. I made the mistake of being too generous with the loot. I was giving too much gold away to the party, and awarding too much experience, so the party got too big for their breeches.

This time around, I'm going to start throwing more puzzles at them, as well as more general hazards.

>>52995963
I'm taking a lot of inspiration from the Witcher books that I'm reading. Fae with an unwavering hatred for humans is a pretty common topic in the books, and I like the alarmingly huge variety presented by fae creatures.

>>52995459
Pretty much every group I play with has ditched them. Any given creature is treated as Neutral mechanically, unless they specifically have an Aura feature (like from being a Cleric or Paladin) or alignment subtype (like an outsider).

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Why is he so mysterious

>>52996182
HE CAN'T HAVE CALLOUSES ANON, HE HAS SKELEHANDS.

>>52996187
Is that the Whiteknight

>>52996258
Yes. I want to play him.

>>52996227
Because he just sits in a boat all day and does nothing

>>52996227
Because Charon is actually a huge chuuni
>can choose his form
>decides to dress in all black with no face except for his eyes that GLOW WITH POWER

>>52996040
It was pretty raunchy, I'll give you that. Not something I have much of any experience writing, either. I think in context it works to A) convey the depravity of the NPC, and B) convey the sense that corruption seriously damaged Gloriana's ability to restrain herself AND eroded her sense of sexual identity and self-worth. I think for those reasons, it works for the scene.

>>52996201
What makes for interesting fights is not having the right equipment, suffering from ignorance, or dealing with debilitation, it's decision making. You have to challenge them by creating situations where they have to thoughtfully apply their character's talents and make meaningful choices round to round.

>>52996227
Because he's THE Horseman of Death.

The other twats just hold the titles, he's The Dude, since the fucking old days.

He's older than almost everyone in existence.

So does anyone have any experience with either the Dark Elementalist or Cerebral Kineticists archetypes? They both look like straight down grades.

>>52996187
Warrior 2 from Rahadoum, dump Dex and Wis

>>52996274
I think it's the opposite, really.

I mean look at all the other dudes of that level of power. Then back at Charon.

He's got plain robes. A hat. And a stick.

They want to look impressive.

He doesn't need to.

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>>52996285
So you're telling me the others are all fakers

>>52996187
Teisatsu Vigilante with a plate helmet, for some reason.

>>52996291
They pretty much are, though Dark Elementalist has two feats in Legendary Kineticists 2 (Soul Feast/Soul Tormentor) that make it playable by level 9. Cereal Kineticist though, you need to be a lot more careful about managing your Burn.

Thematically I also recommend going Void for Dark Elementalist, to edge it up

>>52996274
Charon can't figure out a good face so he decided to not have one
He's an old-timer, his RPG avatar doesn't need any details.

>>52996323
>has two feats in Legendary Kineticists 2 (Soul Feast/Soul Tormentor) that make it playable by level 9
That seems really late in the game to become playable.

>>52996350
>Level 9
>finally getting playable
That's like getting 1d3+1 with no iteratives at level 11.

>>52996363
That poor, poor man. Jesus. I don't get why he put up with that group.

>>52996227
One of the most ancient beings around. I wish we had more info on his, like if he participated in The War In Heaven or the conflict with The Rough Beast.

>>52996328
He's the character that's been played a thousand times. People have come and gone from the party over the years, but he's still there. The last one of the original band. They didn't really flesh out appearances quite so much in the old days, so he's pretty plain compared to the new kids.

Things have gotten more grand over time. Subsystems. Expansions. Splatbooks.

But Charon? Nah.

He's aight.

>>52996382
>bullied by a barbarian lady
>having leadership privileges taken out from under him
>no full-BaB facesmasher to save the party
>no full attacks
>average of 1d3+1+int damage at LEVEL ELEVEN

Prometheanfag, if you are out there, just know

your build is shit

is there an imgur gallery with all the bestiary 6 pages?

>>52996309
Not him but they're literally fakes
Apollyon is just a guy who beat up everyone and calls himself the Horseman of Pestilence after the actual Horseman fucked off to gods (probably don't) know where
Suzriel is just a very butthurt human
Trelmarixian's backstory seems to imply that he's literally just a shitty puppet used by the last Horseman of Famine to return or something.

>>52996416
There's the actual bestiary on 7chan, why do you want an imgur?

>>52996281
I usually give them lots of clues to what's going on, and for the most part the party is pretty good at paying attention and deducing what's going on. They might encounter a monster that's been eaten, which gives them a chance to perform an autopsy to find out clues as to what killed it. I can let them roll checks, or I can let the cleverer ones ask questions.

In the case of a ekimmara, they found:
> goblins that had chunks bitten out of them and they were drained of blood(Probably vampire? I give an immediate knowledge religion for this).
> Goblins were picked off 1 at a time, most had surprised looks on their faces, (stealthy attacker?)
> [Heal check]: No defensive injuries
> [Perception/Survival]: The goblins were trying to light torches in a hurry
> [Religion/Local(I make the check easier depending on how many clues they find)]: You think this could be an Ekimmora, it's a strange kind of vampire that lives in swamps, and is well known for having the ability to turn invisible. I'll let you ask three questions.

Worst case scenario, they get relevant knowledge checks, with little bits and blurbs, as well as questions if they score particularly well. I even give them bonuses or additional tidbits if they're thorough enough in paying attention to the various clues around them.

The party doesn't need to be ignorant if I supply them with the ability to figure out what's about to happen. In the case of their first Ekimmora, they figured out that they needed to have fire on hand to defeat it's invisibility. The alchemist had healing skills to figure out more information that would let him deduce the monster was invisible, fighter had survival and perception to figure out how their fight went down, and the cleric had the knowledge to bring it all together.

>>52996278
Oh for sure, it worked really well to convey just how degenerate the nobles are of this world, while showing just how vulnerable Gloriana is when she's exposed to corruption - willing to literally get done by something like *that* in the throes of desire.

It does make me feel sorry for Lysander, though. He literally got beaten by a dog, how do you want someone after that?

>>52996432
oh I didn't realize, neato

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>>52996227
Honestly how old is this guy? If he's Death by Old Age then he has to be older than any mortal life form, which means he's older than shit like old Grim.

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>>52994693
Okay but Manticore when
also the second half was bad feels

>>52996449
What you've described is an elaborate way of setting up a fight that has one basic caveat.

>>52996473
Well in Pathfinder Grim Reaper isn't an individual, it's a type of extraplanar undead.

And I think Charon's entry says something about how they might've been modeled on him.

>cerebral kineticist
I actually played one in a side game. Granted, I was using it with a friends home brew initiating kineticist archetype(that actually stacked with things) and some ridiculously generous house rules.

It was pretty okay. I did decent damage and had great knowledge checks. I certainly didn't feel useless. Can't comment on Dark Kineticist but it seems like a hassle to deal with even if it is pretty fluffy.

>>52996454
At this point he's three for three in abandoning women to be sexually violated, so does he really deserve your sympathy? It's only a matter of time before a big, burly Karma monster lays claim to his tight, knightly booty.

>>52996504
There are grim reapers but there is also the Old Grim if I recall.

>>52996501
It sounds fun to me, and like something the GM of our group of friends would do.

>>52996482
I have an unspeakable fetish for bad feels.

>>52996548
I was really looking forward to seeing Sigmund get violated, too.

>>52996552
Yes, sure, that skill challenge is interesting. The encounter was likely just like any other encounter with invisible enemies.

>>52996504
Charon's entry says Thanadaemons are thought to be modelled on him but then they come around and say "but Charon is older than humanoid life so lolno" which also makes him older than demons and angels.

>a type of extraplanar undead
Well the beastiary is unclear how many Grim Reapers there are. Lesser Deaths are just reapers, but beast V says nobody has ever seen or heard of two Grims at the same time. Also:

>Lesser deaths are the weaker cousins of grim reapers. It is whispered among dark cabals and occult fellowships that the first soul unshackled from its mortal coil faced its final judgment with scorn and defiance. This creature was so outraged by the metaphysical order of the multiverse that it became a kind of rogue deity dedicated to the ending of all other lives. Particularly powerful creatures killed by this unforgiving deity become the servants of their slayer, spreading death wherever they wander. The least powerful of these lethal servants are called lesser deaths.

>>52996190
Iomedae wasn't a god until Aroden died. If they were friends or comrades it seems reasonable without implying anything about Ragathiel.

>>52996568
>tfw Sigmund died because he refused to let a companion get violated

>>52996482
The manticore is dead! I imagine future encounters will be entirely new beasts, just for the sake of diversity in combat and ERP.

/pfg/ I need to go fast, really fucking fast, I'm going to be level 7/mythic 3

how do I become greased lightning?

So, Overlewd looks like it's going to cap out at about 56 apps.
Anybody want to call the final roster yet?

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>>52996566
kill yourself

>>52996599
>level 7 mythic 3
What the FUCK

>>52996599

There's a Champion Mythic ability that gives you +30 movement.

>>52996602
>56 apps
Jesus Mc. Christ

>>52996605
>What the FUCK
what's the problem with level 7/mythic 3?

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>>52996568
>>52996595

>>52996599
how did you manage level 7 mythic 3

and all i can do to help you with that at a moment's notice is monk 7 for the extra movespeed.

>>52996620
Press F to pay respects

you beat me to it you faggot

>>52996620
Sigmund is dead? Can someone give me a rundown of PLD

>>52996599
There is a card from the deck of many things that adds 30+ movement, and there are boots that add that movement too, plus if you have constant haste, and 7 levels of monk.

>>52996633
Everyone gets raped

>>52996580
Isn't that Zyphus though?

And he wasn't the first to die, he was the first to die a completely and utterly fucking pointless death.

The thing that annoys me is that Grim Reapers don't give a fuck about souls, they just like killing. It's Psychopomps who do the soul thing.

BUT REAPING IS LITERALLY COLLECTING

>>52996599
What 3pp you got access to?

Cuz Speed Motif Henshin Heroes can go really fast, Clock Up to haste themselves, and eventually just Time Stop through sheer FAST.

There's also Speedster Monks from the same book, which jack their movespeed bonus up to 10/level, so a total of +200 by the end of it.

>>52996581
They were not, Hand of Vengeance never talked to Iomedae until after the death of Aroden, and then Hand wanted to become the Herald of a goddess who is basically RAGATHIEL, only more mellow with a solid rack.

>>52996622
>how did you manage level 7 mythic 3
GM is starting us at level 7/mythic 3. We're basically supposed to be a nation's emergency military equipment when they need to drop a squad into what would otherwise be a suicide mission.

Apparently we were basically put through a program where they test children for latent mythic spark. If you have a non-awakened one they train you, then if you graduate they will slowly drip feed you more mythic power.

We're supposed to be squad 14, or in other words 14th from the top.

>>52996632
F

>>52996645

Paizo are dumbs who don't realize the Grim Reaper is a psychopomp.

>>52996671
Funny thing?

Minor Reapers have the Evil subtype, but Grim Reapers themselves don't.

>>52996657
yes the superhero anime. You should still do 7 monk for the speed, grab wind stance for more speed, boots of speed, gloves of haste, mythic speed, if you can manage that deck of many things card

>>52996595
Actually, in-game, what reason did he die for? Like, it's implied that Logan murdered him, but what beef did Logan have with him?

Has Vult picked a new player yet? Is he gonna reopen apps?

>>52996633

Sigmund's player wanted to leave PLD, so he and Vult crafted a scenario where Sigmund dies rescuing a party member from a vicious monster.

The jab we're making here is he never scored.

>>52996636
>drawing from the deck of many things

>>52996645
No Old Grim is the first to die, period, not the first to die a pointless death.

>The thing that annoys me is that Grim Reapers don't give a fuck about souls, they just like killing. It's Psychopomps who do the soul thing.
A lot of things piss me off about Paizo. Charon is a minor deity, not a daemon who wants to loldestroyeverything, and the Grim is like King Psychopomp or something, not an undead near-daemon

>>52996682
Lesser Reapers are NE Medium Undead (Extraplanar), same as Grim Reapers.

>>52996692
>spoiler

I'm still really beat up about that, too. I was really looking forward to that subplot...

>>52996682

Minor reapers are edgy chuuni following papa Grim around.

>>52996501
>>52996552
Yea this is a pretty typical thing for me to do when I want to introduce a custom monster that isn't in the Bestiary. It's kinda not fair to throw a monster at the party that they can't kill for reasons not immediately obvious, unless they get a chance to investigate and figure out the dangers beforehand.

Anyway, I need some ideas for good aligned monsters, now that the party has turned evil and restarted in a totally different area of the world. No more Ekimmoras, they have traveled far beyond the mountains and swamps of northern Kal-Vortun. They're now in a basin that features vast rolling high-lands with great rivers, and treacherous deep canyons. In a five month's journey across rough terrain to the north-east, lies the Pinnacle mountain range. Another seven months journey over even rougher terrain would take them to the Teeth of The Turtle. Three months eastward by road can take them to frigid coastlines, and vast redwood forests. Where they can find *not scandanavia*, *not france*, and *not britain*.