Prove me wrong Protip: You can't

>Stupid measure of morality that doesn't work well
>Stupid measure of political alignment that doesn't work well
No wonder they match up so nicely

>>52981704
How are Communists chaotic/neutral?

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>>52981704
>communism
>lawful good
Go back to /pol/

>>52981725
It could be... after you hit the technological singularity, and all money becomes valueless. But only then.

>>52981704
Realistically if you're not moderate you're not going to have a Good or Neutral alignment.

>>52981704
I'll prove you wrong
you're a communist and therefore always wrong

>>52981704
Flip good and evil

>>52981716
Can you show me a measure of political alignment that works better?
>>52981723
Chaotic neutral correlates with Anarchist Mutualism and Anarchist Syndicalism in the picture.
>>52981734
Hearty kek
Pol Pot was nationalist and made everyone equal by stripping the resources from the land and letting everyone starve.
>>52981749
"No"

>>52981749
Why would you want it to be wrong?

>>52981793
>Can you show me a measure of political alignment that works better?
No, because plotting political alignment onto a chart never works. Strips out all the nuance.

>>52981811
Nevermind the nonlinearity of it.

There are hard gay queer as fuck transgender loving fascists out there.

There are also God-fearing "muh man and woman" communists.

If you can imagine it, it probably exists. That goes for fetishes and political opinions.

>>52981704
>Left
>Good
Very funny, but no.

>>52981793
>Pol Pot was nationalist
Is that supposed to be mutually exclusive of communism?

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Wrong

>>52981842
>The side that promotes the well-being of the population vs the one that promotes the well-being of corporations
It's pretty clear which one slots in as good, anon..

>>52981738
protip: when you reach technological singularity and things such as gold can be magiced out of thin air, the backing of a currency will just change to exotic particles that can't be. you will have currency backed by tachyons or gravitons or whatever.
socialism will never, ever work.

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>>52981809
Yes, look at all the wonderful fruits leftism has brought us:
1)...

>>52981877
>I don't know what socialism is
Oh look it's retarded

>>52981873
you mean the side that promotes equalizing people by stealing from some vs the side that promotes enrichment of whole population through enrichment of every individual?

>>52981873
>Hurr durr tax the rich, hurr durr ebil corporations, hurr durr what's a job
It's funny how college kids who feel like the world owes them everything never once think about actually giving anything of their own.

>>52981891
Social welfare vs tax cuts for the ultra rich... Which one do you think is more typically 'good'?
>taxes are theft
Oy vey you Americans and your education system.

>>52981884
I know what socialism is, since Venezuala exists.

>>52981908
>state-enforced theft vs personal freedom
which one is the good one again?

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>>52981704
Left side is anti-God, God is good, ergo leftism is evil.

>>52981928
kek
rip America

>>52981912
I know what socialism is, since my country was under communism for about a century. It wasn't that bad, but I bring your attention to the facts that
1) Not having a job was literally a crime that you would go to jail for, so most of your americunt leftists crying about corporations would be behind bars.
2) We didn't quite gas the jews, but there's a reason they left for America and Israel.
3) We fell apart in the end.

>>52981704
Congratulations faggot, you managed to get everything wrong. Ancaps are the real lawful good.

>>52981961
>Anarchy
>Lawful
Gets your noggin' joggin', doesn't it

You're wrong because the alignment axis is complete bullshit that doesn't actually take the actual nuances of morality into account.

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>>52981961
Wrong

>>52981970
Ancap is not anarchy, retard. "Anarcho-" means decentralization of all power structures. There are natural laws obeyed by everyone and every property can have as many additioanl, contractual laws as it wants.

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>>52981980
>anarcho-monarchism

So there's a king, but you don't have to listen to them?
Or is it a monty python joke?

>>52981980
>transhumanism
>anything but chaotic evil

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>>52981930
>imaginary jewish fairytales is good

Okay.

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>>52981704

>>52981877
Look retard, when currency changes to exotic particles, etc. society has already moved to a point where all the basic necessities of life, and most entertainment become practically free.

When the technological singularity hits, you can literally life your pathetic disgusting degenerate NEET life without a job forever, and it wouldn't cost society a cent.

>>52982039
Now this I dig

>>52982040
So? The really good, exotic things, like personal dimensions, time travel and FTL ship drives will still cost exotic resources.
The only thing that will change after techological singularity is the level after which you stop being poor being much, much higher.

>>52982039
I do all these on a regular basis, what does that make me?

>>52982068
>So? The really good, exotic things, like personal dimensions, time travel and FTL ship drives will still cost exotic resources.
And what the fuck does that really matter when you can just take your personal 3D printer to the Appalachians, have it print you a nice home with internet access and live the digitribal technohermit lifestyle?

>>52982069
human

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>>52982069
Ascended

>>52982098
>he's too poor to explore the universe
>6076 AD
come on, Anon, you know humans will always find some thing to make them feel better than their common man. it's human nature.

>>52982099
Fuck yeah, Human Master Race
>>52982107
how did you know?

>>52982022
Prove that God doesn't exist.

>>52982142
socialism

>>52982142
You look at the average African and you tell me there's a god.

>>52982164
what if there's a god, but he's a douchebag?

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>commies
>good

>>52982164
That doesn't mean there isn't a god.
It could just mean he doesn't like you.

>>52982182
Blue board anon.

>thinking political philosophy can so easily 1:1 line up with morality
>thinking any individual of any alignment can have their own reasons for being of a political philosophy
this makes no sense and you're a stupid cunt

>>52982142
A spook.
>>52982176
If God exists it is most certainly evil.

>>52981846
>[C]ommunism is the [...] ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is [...] a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state.
>absence of the state

>>52982196
What if multiple gods exist?

>>52982214
What a stupid fucking question. Then it's dependent on the god, is it?

>>52982176
A malevolent god is worse than no god.
>>52982185
My life is actually great, but I'm a cunt.

>>52982198
See:
>ultimate goal

The Khmer Rouge was leftist, you fucking idiot.

>>52982164
/pol/ gtfo

>>52982230
>I'm a cunt
Why choose to remain a worse man than you can be?

>>52981793
>Pol Pot was nationalist and made everyone equal by stripping the resources from the land and letting everyone starve.


Pol pot was bullshit

>"the smart people and people with connection with other countries are fucking with this country." "You are rich if you use glasses, gone to college, like to read books. You have connection with other countries if you know their language, like their culture."
>say a guy that used glasses, gone to french university, liked to read french books, and new other languages.
pol pot is the most bullshit person ever, even other evil guys like hittler, are evil but at least their follow some sort of logic, sometimes wrong/stupid logic but at least some logic

>>52982254
Because I'm happy

>>52981980
Chaotic evil would be chaotic insurrectionism

>there's bad thing in the world
>therefore god doesn't exist :DDDDD
You emotional atheist need to be slaughtered as badly as the religious retard.
May you all choke on your blood you filthy subhumans, 2060

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>>52982256
>hating on the based pol pot

>>52982285
Fucking nips lolifying fucking everything.

Lawful good is anarcho catholicism

> anarcho catholicism?
Some catholic people think humans must only follow the law of god. So you would abolish the state and people would follow the law of god

>"but what if people decide to not follow it?"
Thats sort of ok, people commit sins alot of times without god doing something about it

>>52982278
If God exists then he is a sadistic bastard the likes of which I never wish to encounter.

>>52982285
>enjoy your catch 22

>>52982285
pol-put-kun, this is not how you please khorne

>>52981793
Pol Pot killed half the population of Cambodia because he didn't want any smart people in his country.
Can't make this shit up

>>52981704
Bait thread.
Protip: Don't respond to this garbage.
Prescription for diagnosis: fuck off back to /pol/.

>>52982263
Fully, and without a hint of self denial?
I don't buy it. I think you are afraid of failing at being a good man and thus convince yourself that you "want" to be a cunt, that you are happy in that whilst really, you could be happier.

>>52982300
Maybe there's not just one, but several? Some sadists, some not, each with their own limited power and influence?

>>52982348
what?
No I'm actually happy, I have some friends, we shit talk each other, I enjoy playing video games, I enjoy eating good delicious food, I enjoy cooking, I enjoy playing tabletop games, I have fun painting my Warhammer models, I'm not rich but I can afford my hobbies, my work is easy.
My life is good and I am happy, I don't really want to waste time being "good" when I can listen to music, have a drink and paint my models.
>>52982364
I'd be okay with that.
I should have specified my hate is for the idea of the Abrahamic God.

>>52982164
If there is no G*d how do you explain children suffering in africa?

>>52982164
Who fucking cares lmao

>>52982394
Random unfortunate circumstance that doesn't actually have any intrinsic meaning.
I actually don't care, I don't want to go to Africa anyway.

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>Communists are Lawful Good

>>52982124
True. But thing is, when the tech singularity hits and mankind doesn't go extinct, you will live the billionaire lifestyle of today for free.

That is an absurd fucking concept man.

>>52982545
What if the people who own the technology don't want to give it away?

>>52981881
welfare, control of capitalism, stuff like that

The idea at the core is what the chart depicts, not what idiots did with it on practice.
Communism's intention was "Everyone is equal and does his best to aid society", for example.

>>52981928
>I'll take that money to protect you from foreigners, build roads and houses, and give you medical care if you get sick
>RRRRRRREEEEE THIEF

>>52982069
The final boss of FMA

>>52982562
Chances are the technological singularity will be open-source or some collaborative effort, because this ensures some kind of push-back against potential existential implications of the technology.

>>52981704
Commies good lol, they are in like at least top 5 of most evil ideologies.

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>>52981704
>Communism
>Lawful Good
You can theoretically be of any political ideology and still be anywhere on the alignment chart (see pic related basically lawful good Nazi) if you had to pic one ideology to represent lawful good communism/Marxism would be the worst. For starters your typical lawful good character is ether a church militant or a soldier fighting for his country. In contrast to this Marxism/communism opposes both nationalism and religion as the "opium of the people."
>Chaotic Evil
>Not Anarcho-Individualism
This thread is a spook.

>>52981994
>There are natural laws obeyed by everyone
>this is what ancaps actually believe

>>52982684
He's Talking about these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

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>>52982545
Let's be honest here, the average working class person in the west today lives the life of an upper middle class person in the west a century ago.
The living standards of someone who is 'rich' only increases exponentially with time. Assuming this isn't a system of diminishing returns, the rich in a century hence will make the rich of today look like the middle class.
Greed finds a way.

>>52982039
>>52982107
>>52982182
These are all pretty good
>>52982256
>Pol pot was bullshit
That's true
>>52982326
I plead guilty
Look how many Americans are getting triggered

>>52982704
I'm well aware of what they are.
There are only legal rights. Natural rights only exist when a political authority chooses to protect them.

>>52981704
Take your goddamned /pol/ or /leftypol/ off of my fucking plastic soldier and fantasy autism meme board

>>52982751
It's the opposite actually, that's why they are "natural" rights dummy.

>>52981877

No, we won't privatise doomsday particles capable of wiping out whole civilisations.

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>>52982296
>those tits
>loli

>>52982787
There's nothing "natural" about them. Does nature observe those rights? Do animals and trees and bacteria observe them? Does God come down from the heavens and make sure that they are held inviolate?

They mean nothing without an institution that makes an effort to honor and protect them.

>>52981877

These discussion are always absurds. Chances are the ideologies of the future will be completely alien to us. The dramas of 2298 as unintelligible to us as the Microsoft Anti-Trust Suit would be to Joan of Arc.

>>52982778
Only on /tg/ can one find actual arguments between all the shitposts.

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>>52982605
>welfare
Welfare kills drive to self-provide. It is the reason you are not supposed to feed wildlife in places like National Reserves. The animals become dependent upon the people food and lose the ability to forage and starve without the handouts.

>control of capitalism
That is Chaotic keeping Lawful from being out of control, not Good keeping Evil in check, and the fact that you would even imply it to be the latter is telling.

>>52982854
>Do animals and trees and bacteria observe them?
To an extent yes. many animals are territorial or keep food stashed away in their dens.
>They mean nothing without an institution that makes an effort to honor and protect them.
So your right to live is not valid? If all societal institutions collapsed tomorrow and you had to fight to survive you would at least attempt to save your own life and the life's of ones you love regardless of weather or not there was an institution telling you that you had the right to.

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>Left wing
>good

>>52981704
Based on this, Hitler is LN and Stalin is LG.

Please kill yourself

>>52982299
Anon. You and I both know an ecclesiastical government is best, with its head being the Pope.

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>>52981980
>Anarcho-Anything that is somehow lawful.
Top keks.

>>52982903
Actually most of the time you're are not supposed to feed wildlife in places like National Reserves because people are dumbasses who give anything to animals without thinking so to avoid the animals being sick the ones who managed those Reserves forbide it completely

>>52982937
>If all societal institutions collapsed tomorrow and you had to fight to survive you would at least attempt to save your own life and the life's of ones you love regardless of weather or not there was an institution telling you that you had the right to.

You're right, and if that meant I had to selfishly hurt or kill someone else or otherwise deprive them of their ability to survive in order to do so, no natural right of theirs would stop me.

>>52981832
>If you can imagine it, it probably exists. That goes for fetishes and political opinions.
Don't forget religions.

>>52981877
>the backing of a currency
Uh. You realize that most modern currencies aren't backed by anything, right?

>>52983258
They're backed by faith (^:

>>52982039
that's actually pretty good.

>>52981704
>Leftists
>Good

BACK TO TUMBLR WITH YOU!

Not even /pol/ is this retarded.

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>>52983308
>Not even /pol/ is this retarded.

>>52983258
fiat currency is retarded. only 100% gold-backed one makes any sense.

>>52983005
however if you selfishly took someone's property and/or life, others seeing such injustice would fuck you up.

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>>52982182
>shoot your goo, my dude!
what the fuck
source?

>>52982751
If the non-aggression principle wasn't a natural law, you would currently be fighting away rapist cannibals, anon. People want to be left alone, want to live and let live. Murderers are put down not because it's illegal, but because it's immoral.

>>52982182
>elegant cock of a nobility
sauce?

>>52982903
>Welfare kills drive to self-provide.
Yeah, shit, that one room apartment, porridge-eating lifestyle sure kills your drive to have a car, a house, possessions, disposable money, etc. I'm sure starving and freezing to death in a cardboard box in an alley won't make it even harder to get a job, or create an even larger criminal population or anything.

Of course, more crime is what you Americans want, isn't it? Makes the prison owners wealthier.

>>52982562
They don't really have a choice in the matter.

>>52982854
animals are territorial without a government enforcing that. even most intra-species fights don't end in death, just exile.

>>52983512
if the government gives you what you need to live, what incentive do you have to work for that by yourself? if you are going hungry and freezing, you have a large incentive to do something about it.
welfare only produces degenerates.

>>52983512
>be down on your luck
>go to a state without death penalty
>go on a KFC killing spree
>go to jail
FREE HOUSING FOOD AND ACCOMODATION AS A REWARD!

>>52983518
so, you are condoning taking property of people that worked hard to legally obtain it? and you consider youself good? or moral?

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>>52982182
> My own Guitar raped me.

Fucking what?

>>52983545
>if the government gives you what you need to live, what incentive do you have to work for that by yourself?

Because people want luxuries, not simply subsistence?

>>52983518
You better hope they don't decide they're going to need to prepare for people like you. 3d printing infinite tanks will make it hard for anyone else to set up a new printer, especially if the initial cost is high enough it'd be another major corp having to front the money.

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>>52981704
>because authoritarian left-wing ideology has never racked up a kill count to make hitler blush

>>52983588
>Because people want luxuries, not simply subsistence?
>
Really? I really doubt it, majority just wants to live through life, preferrably handholded through it by the government, hence i don't understand the hate by westerners on North Korean values, especially when EU is adopting the same.

>>52983613
>he thinks millions goyim are in any way near the worth of 1 Jew.

>>52983637
>communist russia was jewish apparently
>the chinese are jews

>>52983637

>Really? I really doubt it, majority just wants to live through life, preferrably handholded through it by the government, hence i don't understand the hate by westerners on North Korean values, especially when EU is adopting the same.

I seriously doubt that. I mean, most people want to be able to afford stuff like a car or a cable connection or a computer that can play new video games and to have savings to go on holiday occasionally.

>>52981873
That sounds more like chaos and law than good and evil, to be honest.

>>52983588
so you mean that even if people received welfare, they would still actively seek work, because they would want more things? if they worked, why then would they need welfare anyway? why not stop taxing them to pay for welfare and make them keep more of the money they make? that way they can buy more things. why give them welfare, when they work and earn more in a month?
your argument also says that even if automation made a lot of people unemployed and basic income would be established, people would still find work, because they would want luxuries. that means people wouldn't really be unemployed and wouldn't actually need basic income.

you defeat your own argument, anon.

>>52983557
How often does that actually happen?

>>52983701
looks about right

>>52981891
>Enrichment of corporations = enrinchment of every individual
wew

>>52983736
richer corporation can afford to hire more people or pay people more, thus eniriching all those people. capitalism is not a zero-sum game, there is no cake to split.

>>52983700
While most people I see want to slog through life preferrably with government taking care of every aspect of their existence because being free is difficult and you need to make choices.

>>52981832
most communists used to fit into that second category before communism became the hot thing for suburbanite trust fund kiddies.

>>52983726
All the fucking time. Make prison too comfortable, and you get tons of people committing crimes just to get free room and board.

>>52983719

>so you mean that even if people received welfare, they would still actively seek work, because they would want more things? if they worked, why then would they need welfare anyway?

Because the point of welfare isn't 'Let people not work if they don't want to'. The point of welfare is to support people who have lost work/cannot find it.

The idea behind basic income is 'It's honestly less cost to the overall budget than the bureaucracy and investigation systems for working out who needs welfare or not. If someone has an income, you can just tax it back as part of an existing system'

>>52983770
>basic income
literally welfare under a different name.
Do you call prostitutes and camwhores "sex workers" too?

>>52983726
In Russia, we've had cases of hobos killing people to get imprisoned.

>>52982972
I mean all of those forms of anarchism require enforcement of some !goverment agency, or are doomed to fail for lack of it. Ancap has the wealthy rule, ancom has basically indoctrinated enforcement by masses, so who makes the indoctrination rules, but it also shares the mob rule with mutualism, and feminism as a form of government is just rule by cunts, so plenty of European governments fit that bill. Transhumanism goes to rule by technocrats, pacifism to rule by people who will fight, individualism ends in rule by people who work together, primitivism rule by people who aren't savages. Monarchism is just thrown on their to highlight that. Real anarchy can't exist statically, since people don't like most kinds of criminals: genuine freedom from governing bodies is something very few people want, so they have governing bodies and call them something else, or don't and have it be doomed to fail by default.

>>52983767

Can I get some statistics there? The only instances of it I can think of is that of recidivism and that's generally due to prisons doing a poor job of actually making it possible to move back into free society. If you've lived for many years in a particular way, moving outside of it is hard.

>>52983763

Those people who would rather not make choices though don't tend to want to just live a dull grey life with nothing of note in it.

The main instance I know of dole bludgers who actively try to remain unemployed are surfers, people who's main form of luxury (Surfing) isn't connected to money. Most people want the money to pay for the luxuries they want.

>>52983770
but you know that it costs even less to just not give basic income and let people find or create jobs they want? they will do it *anyway*, so why spend additional money on them? what purpose does it even serve? the money doesn't even belong to the government, it's stolen from people. if government didn't take it, those people would have more money to spend, which would speed up the economy and create more jobs for others to find.

>>52981877
>I don't know what the singularity is
It only means that computers automate the design of their own upgrades. It doesn't mean we can break physics.

>>52983798

So people for whom life is actually a step up in prison because they are not getting subsistence as it is?

>>52983787

Not really a good example. Sex worker is a category under which you'd find prostitutes, escorts, camwhores, porn stars etc. It's like folding a biologist, geologist and archeologist all under scientist.

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>>52983770
> Because the point of welfare isn't 'Let people not work if they don't want to'. The point of welfare is to support people who have lost work/cannot find it.
And why can't they find work? Because there's an absurd welfare system sucking money from the productive to give to the unproductive. Welfare doesn't support unemployed people, it CREATES unemployed people and then encourages them to stay unemployed.

>>52983806
you misunderstand the central tenets of ancap. there is no !government agency enforcing natural laws - every person does that. it can be facilitated by private organizations and that's it. also the wealth don't rule in ancap, they can't rule. they literally have no right telling others what to do against their will.

>>52983518
and then the virus that kills 85% of the world population hits because the rich don't need us anymore.

>>52983883
>Welfare doesn't support unemployed people, it CREATES unemployed people and then encourages them to stay unemployed.

Can I get some statistics to back that up?

>Pic

...wouldn't you want to have unemployment rates at the END of presidency? Not right at the beginning? As at the start you've only just started having an effect while at the end you can judge 4-8 years of effect.

>>52983005
The idea of natural rights does not say that there is some fairy that punishes people who don''t abide by it. It just means that people have innate rights that need to be protected. Whether it is happening or not does not have anything to do with the validity of natural rights. For example a soldier can kill an innocent person but that would not invalidate the ethical principle of natural rights.

>>52983518
How are you going to stop them when they have some kind of AI god-machine and you don't?

>>52983842
and yet lefties talk all about post-scarcity as soon as singularity hits. that's what my post was about: that even when basic things are post-scarcity, there would be scarce, exotic things. and the market would be created around them. post-scarcity would just shift the poverty line way up, that's it.

>>52983883
>first 100 days presidents suddenly get all their party's policies going and the effects of their policies are almost immediate
I would make more sense if you evaluated the 100 days before the term ends, since that is when the president actually accomplishes a significant number of things and those things have had a fair chance at making an impact.

>>52983883

You know a lot of welfare stuff includes job search help, right? Stuff specially designed to help people find jobs.

>>52981725
Ran the way it's supposed to be, yes. Ran the Soviet way, that's actually totalitarian facism in disguise, not at all.

>>52983967
socialism heroically fights with the problems it created

>>52981928
What is theft if money doesn't exist and all is communally owned?

>>52983518
On one side you have the wealthy who control 95% of all the world's resources and the 40% or so of the population that they will support them. As we've seen time and again, there will always be plenty of people who aren't rich who will support the rich fucking them over.

On the other side, you have 60% of the population who control 5% of the world's resources.

Who do you think will win there? The first side has tanks. The second side doesn't.

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>>52983971

>>52983996

Do you have any evidence for it creating the problem?

>>52983971
>the 'not a true socialism' argument
come on
since 2010 venezuela was hailed as socialism done right, or socialism that worked, by people such as chomsky, etc. they sure must feel fucking stupid now.

>>52984027
Venezuela.

>>52981704
>Neutral Evil
>Libertarian Capitalist

I guess if you consider being expected to take care of yourself is evil, sure.

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>>52981704
>Commies
>Good

>>52984027
yes:
>government takes some of my money in taxes
>i don't have enough money to hire new people

>>52983883
>Welfare keeps people unemployed
There a problem with that beyond the usual capitalist BS about wage slavery being necessary for the economy to function? Because I know a guy with a mint who can simply will that money into existence.

>>52984044

That's a statement, not a research study.

>>52984035

Well, D&D tends to say good is 'Caring about others'. So something purely self-focused is likely not there.

>>52984004
if everything is communally owned, then:
- since property doesn't exist, no one has incentive to work to get more stuff for themselves
- since you can take a thing that someone else made or bought, you have no incentive to work, why should you, since someone else will take care of getting necessities?

your commune would be destroyed by the free-rider problem.

>>52984027
I don't think he does.

Just like poverty wouldnt be a thing if we just got out of the way of the corporations and the wealthy.

I know this thread is a shitstorm but shitstorms like this are making a mess of my homeland.

>>52981704
>communism is good
This bait thread isn't even remotely annoying, it's just humorous.

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>>52983695
>communist russia was jewish apparently
Actually the bolshelvik party was jewish lmao

Also mao zedong had connections to the Rothschilds as well as other Jewish "friends".

Try again.

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>>52984049
>he wants to literally print more money
this is why we should have 100% gold-backed currency

>>52982619
>protect you from foreigners,
Go hire more illegal immigrants, hypocrite.
>build roads
The roads are nice, sometimes, but they keep telling me to get off them.
>and houses,
Houses are privately owned
>and give you medical care if you get sick
Welcome to the USA. Try to not die.

It pretty much is theft, the way they use it.

>>52984129
Bazinga!

>>52984086
you know what? poverty wouldn't exist in perfect socialist society, but wealth wouldn't exist either. there would be no incentive to improve or work hard, since you wouldn't gain anything. if you don't understand that, i can only offer you a helicopter ride over the ocean, anon

>>52981740
>implying moderates are good
Fucking center fags are almost as bad as the weeniefronters and antifa-fags.

>>52982069
a centrist

welcome aboard my boy

>>52984134
>Go hire more illegal immigrants, hypocrite.
Oh gee I wonder what Trump is trying to do by deporting illegals and bringing manufacturing jobs back into the country then
>The roads are nice, sometimes, but they keep telling me to get off them.
That's so that you don't get run down by a car, dumbass
>Houses are privately owned
Would you prefer them to be open to the public so that anyone can walk into your house, gun you down and take your belongings?

Also, who do you think funds all the property development companies? Investment doesn't come out of nowhere.

>Welcome to the USA. Try to not die.
At the rate that antifag protestors are going you're more likely to die in a riot than you are from the common cold.

>>52984183
You know that the only people who even use or associate with stormfront these days are old men in their 50s right? Iron March is where the natsoc forum community has gone. Stormfront is just a buzzword and a strawman now.

Also judging by you're post you're either an ancap, a libtard, or an ancom. Either way, more flavors of hilarious for me to laugh at.

>>52982619
no thanks, I have a gun, live in my own forest and go to a private clinic

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>>52984266
>I have a gun
In an idyllic libertarian/anarchist world, no number of guns will protect you from PMCs or mercenary militia. Hell, even small gangs will be the end of you
>live in my own forest
Unless you're an anarchocommie (in that case good luck surviving when literally no one in the country has food lol) the forest has likely already been bought off by a rich multi-billion dollar corporation and you entering it would be a direct violation of the NAP
>and go to a private clinic
Just don't complain when your flu medicine costs 2 BTC.

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>>52984321
you don't understand. in an idyllic ancap world i could buy a recreational thermonuclear bomb if a large company of PMCs wanted to initiate aggression on me. also it's my forest - it's my proeprty, i have the deed to it, so no one can could buy it without my agreement. also i don't mind paying 2 btc for flu medicine, since i'm earning 5000 every month.

see? i can make up bullshit to prove my argument too.

>communism
>good

>>52981723

Communism would be upper left, not lower left

>>52982285

You know Cambodia would've been rolling in dosh if they just switched to a skull-based economy.

>Communism
>Not chaotic evil

>>52984423
>in an idyllic ancap world i could buy a recreational thermonuclear bomb
If you as a single person could buy a thermonuclear weapon then it wouldn't be very difficult to assume that said PMCs have hundreds if not thousands more than you do. Furthermore they have plenty of armed soldiers, have access to the cutting edge in warfare tech, and likely are capable of wiping you off the map without you being able to even set up your ICBM system. Tough luck.

>it's my forest - it's my proeprty
If you're fast enough to purchase it before it's bought off by a multi-billionaire then nice, you'll have to watch out for said billionaire's mercenaries. Also watch out, the trees there may have already been bought out, and you using the wood to build a house or even a hut would be a violation of the NAP.

>also i don't mind paying 2 btc for flu medicine, since i'm earning 5000 every month
2btc for flu medicine, 1 btc for a month's worth of food, 3btc for a day's supply of clean water, 10btc for the local air. Welcome to ancap land.

But hey, you get to buy child soldiers at the right price, own sex slaves, murder, kill and destroy anyone who violates your preciously vague NAP, and you'll just end up reverting to feudalism in about 50 years or so. But hey, the oppressive government isn't there to violate your preshus personal freedom so everything's good.

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>>52982904

I know there's an image of this where each quadrant is a futa (at least I assume) raping a man, each for different reasons. Like top left is a communist, top right is /pol/, bottom right is an ancap, and bottom left is an SJW

>>52984266
>no thanks, I have a gun

Yeah but by ancap rules, it basically means you have no rights to your property the second you step away from it as you're no longer defending it.

>>52982830
Oppai loli is its own category

>>52984511
now ask yourself this: what would anyone gain by detonating a nuclear warhead on my small patch of forest? the rich asshole couldn't use my property, since it would be a radioactive wasteland. why would he bother?

aslo, there can be no slaves in ancap, since all people have self-ownership. read some rothbard instead of meme balls.

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>>52981877
>socialism = communism

Please stop

>>52984580
... are you retarded anon? you clearly have no idea what ancap is. i have a right to my property because it's my property. i can own things that are not in direct contact with my body.

>>52984626
>i have a right to my property because it's my property

Yeah but what guarantees your right to it other than a governing body that protects propety rights?

>>52984637
Himself.
Recreational Davy Crockett brand McNuke.

>>52984637
having a private protection agency that can verify my contract stating that it's my property and protect it when i'm not around or kill anyone that tries to steal it. all without government and all voluntary.

>>52984588
>what would anyone gain by detonating a nuclear warhead on my small patch of forest?
Considering that nukes are now cheaper than a year's worth of meals, just general ego stroking I guess?

>aslo, there can be no slaves in ancap, since all people have self-ownership
And what's stopping people from selling their own lives out for more shekels?

And what's stopping me from taking that poor peasant family down the road as my personal maids and butlers because they violated my NAP when they entered my property to ask me for salt?

>>52981704
>communism
>good

Authoritarian Left: Lawful Evil
Authoritarian: Lawful
Authoritarian Right: Lawful Good
Left: Stupid
Center: True Neutral
Right: Good
Libertarian Left: Chaotic Stupid
Libertarian: Chaotic
Libertarian Right: Chaotic Evil

>>52984588
>aslo, there can be no slaves in ancap

No, just work contracts you can't ever afford to buy out of and company towns

Totally not slavery because those people had the choice of starving to death instead!

>>52983395
Gold-backed currency makes no sense either.

>>52984669
So anarcho-capitalism just involves society degenerating into universal warlordism.

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>>52984005
Looking at economics as a zero-sum game where the "rich" have access to goods and services and so they must have taken those good and services from the poor is idiotic and childish.

People are not shitting in the street in India because evil white men went and stole all of their toilets. In fact, the opposite is true--the "exploitative" Capitalist machine has slashed poverty more in the last few decades globally than any force before it in human history. The system isn't perfect but it works--China, India, and now parts of Africa, while suffering from pollution and corruption as a result of unchecked industrialization, are nevertheless witnessing a hitherto unparalleled increase in quality of life and availability of technology and services.

This is happening BECAUSE of the so-called villainous rich, who use the developing economies of these countries to produce enormous amounts of goods for cheap to resell them to the developed world. That process is what allows the industrialization to work, and it's what allows these countries to rise from the dystopian horrors of the pre-industrial third world, and you can gaurantee that the job will be done because it is profitable for the investors. Everyone wins, and everyone has an incentive to participate.

This global financial machine, without executing one kulak, without burying one cleric, without displacing one Ukranian cossack, has done what Mao Zedong and Lenin couldn't do for their retarded slave-religions without accidentally killing tens of millions of their own people.

Realistically there will never be a post-scarcity economy but if there were, it wouldn't actually matter because of the Economic Calculation Problem. We'd just end up in a weird, abstract economy based around production time and raw energy. Capital does not act the way you people think it does, the secrets of technology are far more likely to be hidden by the government than by international finance.

>>52981704
swap left and right. prove me wrong.

>>52981704

Flip left and right around and you'd be correct.

Quick, name the top 3 political ideologies you'd wish away into non-existence if you could.

>anarcho-anything
>libertarians
>communists

>>52984760
You do realize all the successes have come on the backs of exploiting an ever growing number of people and resources right?

We went from having sweat shops in the US to having them abroad so that's "capitalist success"?

And if you've paid any attention at all domestically wages have stagnated, the middle class is collapsing and the rich are pulling in even more wealth than ever. As long as they can keep externalizing costs they're going to and that means things will get shittier and shittier

>>52984835
Rearrange them to

>commies
>anarchos
>libcucks
And I'd be with you completely

Although technically if we were counting anarchos as libcucks then I'd throw socialist welfare trash down there too.

>>52984674
>Considering that nukes are now cheaper than a year's worth of meals, just general ego stroking I guess?
But he would lose then. Not only that - he would initiate aggression in basically the most obvious way possible. Literally the whole world could team up to kill him. And they likely would, since a madman that just drops nuclear bombs on innocent people is danger to everyone. If he's so greedy and self-serving, why would he want to do it?
>And what's stopping people from selling their own lives out for more shekels?
They can voluntarily get jobs that require them risking their lives without problems. They cannot become property, though. You cannot unown yourself.
There are branches of libertarianism that advocate for allowing that, but in my opinion it's immoral.
>And what's stopping me from taking that poor peasant family down the road as my personal maids and butlers because they violated my NAP when they entered my property to ask me for salt?
Nothing. But they would have to voluntarily chose to break the laws you have set in your property. Generally they would have to know them beforehand, though again some branches of libertarianism do not agree with such interpretation.

>>52981908
>creating a slave population of urban minorities culturally dependent on serving a political party's interests for their survival
>good

Pick one. "Social welfare" is redistributing your tax dollars into buying votes.

>>52984760
The industrialization of the third world is what's ruining the first world, fuckface.

>>52981877
Why are the scandinavian countries so sucessful? Aren't they borderline socialists, if not full on socialists?

>>52984718
and your argument is? and don't even try talking about circa 1939 gold-backed dollar. it was mudded by government interventionism into a parody of itself.

>>52984926
>amass large amount of money through hard work and capitalism
>you can now squander it on gibs and niggers

>>52984926
shh anon, don't try to make them think they'll just get mad

>>52984899
>muh welfare myths

Got any Breitbart talking points on that you'd like to share?

>>52984760
Once enough of the jobs are automated, the rich can simply kill off most of the population because they don't need them anymore. And even if a majority try to fight back, the rich will control the vast majority of the world's resources and they'll have plenty of people like you willing to fight for them out of the belief that they too will be made rich.

>>52984835
>Democracy
>Communism
>Socialism

>>52984835
>Humanists
>Capitalists
>Theists

>>52984926
Why are countries with (classically) liberal economic policies and free markets even more successful? maybe it's because those socialist paradises started capitalistic and turned leftie after getting rich?
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

>>52982619
>I'll take that money to protect you from foreigners...

...Except the ones imported for votes and demographic replacement. Nevermind the rapes and terror attacks, we'll just cover those up. What's a few raped little girls more or less? Oh, and we'll vehemently protest any attempt to remove violent criminals from the country.

> build roads and houses,

...By establishing low-income housing for poverty-stricken lowest-income families with a high crime rate in sleepy white communities for "diversity". Property values? LMAO deal with it you privileged fuck.

>and give you medical care if you get sick

...More specifically, not YOU. You can afford it because you have a job, right? Take this government mandate for insurance you can't afford to use, which is only legal because we decided it's another tax, and pay for Taniqua's thirteenth baby and Bubba Joe's 600lb lifestyle.

>>52984937
Back then there was no industrial use for gold except for shinies. Backing your currency on something you need to make consumer products is a bit retarded my man.

>>52984971
I hate democracy cucks as much as the next guy but anarchotards are a lot worse.

>>52984979
>ow the edge

>>52981704
What is the difference, in your opinion, between the bottom left corner, and the bottom right corner?

>>52984843
Yes, it is success. Poverty is shrinking globally, and there is more wealth overall. It's true that we have problems regarding cost of living and wage stagnation, but these are relatively minor qualms with what is otherwise a global economic miracle. They can be addressed without advocating for a Communist revolution or somesuch nonsense.

The obsession with "the rich" is not productive. As I said, the rich are not rich because they are picking your pocket (that's the government) the rich are rich because they provide an extremely well paying service. Mostly venture capitalism.

>>52984901
I very much doubt that. If I had to name something which is ruining the first world, it'd be Secular Liberalism. Most of these countries are going to have to start mass-importing people soon to pay their aging populations' pensions, which will destroy their cultures and histories. It's also short-sighted--what happens when the whole world becomes this developed? Does the human race just go extinct? If you want a vampiric relationship, there's the biggest one, the West now relies on poaching young people from the undeveloped world as slave labor.

>>52984926
They have very high personal tax rates, but very low corporate tax rates, and an extremely free economy. Even Norway only has one seriously nationalized industry, and NorOil is only like 65% public, the rest is privately owned.

That isn't really Socialism, it's a very competitive market economy with a robust welfare state.

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>>52985008

>>52984711
but they *can* leave. thus it's not slavery, just cucks unable to take care of themselves.

>>52985031
>top bait

>>52985001
anarchists at least have memeballs putting them on 4th place and those are top 3.

>>52985031
To me, as you move down the libertarian axis, you become more and more unwilling to interfere in anyone's lives. So that seems to indicate that the difference between a Maxed out Right, Maxed out Lib, and a maxed out Left, Maxed out Lib would be minimal. They might disapprove of actions not on their spectrum, but they would be unwilling to prevent those actions from happening. correct?

>>52983886
The point of ancap is that private agencies can do the same thing, and that it's not supposed to be worse than a government doing it. Rule by those with the resources to enforce "natural laws" (or their idea of it) is a system of government by another name, and while it's not necessarily bad it is still flawed. It's not anarchy in any way except that it rejects the common representative government with it's positive "rights" (both welfare and the right to trial by jury). It's not characterized by the lack of what we think of as government, but rather it's privatization and a kind of expected set of behavior (that drive to be a good person exists now, but there are some who only follow it when it's backed by force even with it). Threatening jail time or physical violence and threatening to deny someone vital services is liable to push someone into something just the same: economic force isn't magically not forceful, especially when me starving you and me shooting you both end in a single way which we naturally fear and seek to avoid, which is also part of the whole effort to replace regular force as an element of society with the hope being that unprofitable actions like not letting you buy food won't be incentivized, but the reality is that you don't need to de-incentivize being horrible to people (it's already looked down upon), and physical force is just as part of human nature as that desire to be left alone: people tend to object to force against them and theirs, but not to things we consider "others" or outsiders, and given the opportunity, when it benefits them, people often will use physical violence to take what they want: looting is incredibly common during a police strike for a reason, which is why private police are a big part of ancap. Private bureaucrats with profit motivation probably would tend to be more efficient, but profit motivation also is not a cure for society's ills, and often reinforces them so long as they drive up consumption.

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>>52985056
:^)

>>52985062
The memeballs are mocking them and unfortunately aren't made by them.

If anarchists were self aware enough to make fun of themselves then maybe it'd be a different story.

>>52985009
>Most of these countries are going to have to start mass-importing people soon to pay their aging populations' pensions,
No, the solution is to impose a pension tax on 1 generation, who won't get any pension unless they save up, invest or have children provide for them.

>>52985009
>It's also short-sighted--what happens when the whole world becomes this developed? Does the human race just go extinct?

No, global warming becomes a major issue because the lobbies already decided that any sustainable way of slowing it was too costly.

>>52984064
It doesn't consider forcing regular people at gunpoint to be charitable good either.

>>52985102
>clockwise from top left
>commie scum, natsoc power, roman majesty, multiculti tards, kikes, barbarians, hippie filth, socjus tards
Top middle to right it is!

>>52985009
>As I said, the rich are not rich because they are picking your pocket (that's the government) the rich are rich because they provide an extremely well paying service. Mostly venture capitalism.

Some of the rich are justly so. Some of the rich are the people getting the government to pick your pocket. In order to effectively eliminate the problem of government corruption, we need to attack it from two angles: the government side (limiting what the government can do, or enacting reforms to prevent corrupt misuse of the government), and the rich people side (severely punishing those who seek to subvert the government's duties to its people).

What impresses me about these threads is that the most vocal supporters of any ideology don't realise that they themselves are the least likely person to benefit from said ideology. Revolutions devour their own children and all that.

>>52985146
Right was actually supposed to be politically boring normies, but I guess the general right is kind of multiculti.

>>52984999
First of all gold in not unobtainium. We don't need it, it just makes some processes more efficient. Second of all, gold is good as a currency backer, because it's not chemically volatile. It barely reacts with anything. It thus can be stored indefinitely and won't go "bad".
Also gold has only increased in value since antiquity. According to 600 B.C texts you could buy 350 loaves of bread for an ounce of gold. Check how much bread you can buy for it now.

>>52985169
Normies are middle left to bottom left nowadays, they have been since the Bush days.

>>52985157
What is right is what is right, my personal gain or harm is irrelevant in the discussion. Sacrifice is a noble thing.

>>52985150
or, if you just remove the government from the equation, those rich won't have anyone to lobby and will have to compete fairly on the free market.

>>52985180
almost double the amount at 2$ per loaf

>>52985180
>We don't need it
We do.

>It barely reacts with anything.
Tell me fucking more faggot, etching gold for industrial processes is literally my job.

>>52981704
>>52981704
Yeah, fucking Lincoln. I bet he was a closet Bane worshipper.

Liberal wit libertarian leanings here, btw.

>>52985157
Some may view choosing the correct politician as a moral imperative, regardless of their personal stake in it. Others may have a more long term view of things. For instance, you may believe the current two parties in America are scum, and choose to vote third party, even though it may result in the worse of the two candidates getting in. In the short term, it's against your interests. But if the third party share keeps growing, long term it may result in all the parties having to actually do their jobs and not be evil.

>>52985180
>We don't need it, it just makes some processes more efficient.
That's why we need it, fag. Not to mention how much it's used in electronics.

>>52985196
This is why hundreds of private charities existed in XIX century England and early XX century US. Afterwards those countries introduced mandatory welfare programs that in some case even delegalized the private charities. Now you have chavs and nig-nogs.

>>52985180
Between 600 and 700 loaves ? Was that supposed to prove food got cheaper trough industrialization or what ?

>>52983971
It is lawdful good the way the armoniums are. Thanks bromerade, I'll take my chances with a fellocracy.

>>52985225
You're preaching to the choir dude. I want the government to fuck off in most situations The problem is that there may be some areas where government intervention in the market is acceptable or desirable, such as emergency services, or health care. In these cases, we have to make sure the government is incorruptible.

>>52985225
In the free market, your wealth determines how much power you have. Who has the most wealth? The wealthy, of course.

Having more money makes it easier to make more money, thus the wealthy not only have an advantage in the free market, that advantage will grow more and more pronounced with time.

What is "fair" doesn't matter to the free market.

>>52985286
That and that gold value increased instead of decreasing due to inflation.

>>52985261
By that token we should be using elements much more heavily used in electronics. Silicon, for example.
There's actually a worldwide shortage of high purity single crystal silicon wafers at the moment due to the Chinese manufacturing boom.

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>>52981704
"Lawful Good."

>>52985292
Actually, you'll find that the more regulations you have in a market, the easier it is to maintain wealth.

Competitors will naturally arise in a free market, unburdened by regulations which serve as barriers to entry.

>>52984049
Please, tell me you ate either a troll or 16yo.

>>52981704
/leftypol/.png

>>52985309
That's a shortage of manufacturing capabilities, not a shortage of silicon trough. Nothing to compare with the gold situation;

>>52985180
>>52985299
>space program finally gets off its ass
>private corporations start mining asteroid belt
>more gold (among other precious metals) than humanity has ever had in its history floods the market
>money crashes
good job, faggot

Long term, turning money into its own abstract concept (fiat) is the best possible thing.

>>52985309
>lets make scarce and valuable things that are needed in critical manufacturing even MORE scarce and valuable
Are you listening to yourself?

>>52985196
On what grounds would a communist have to call anything "noble", having rejected both all systems of morality with the concept of "nobility"? No, communism depends on it's promise of "inevitability" and the idea that the future is certainly better than the present, so the only "good" acknowledged is "progress". Even the way it views a revolution as good is just an extension of the "right makes right" thought, since revolutions are only won by the strongest, and not by those associated with "noble behavior". You follow your own "ubermensch", the greedy lower classes, always ready to be bought with the promise of more bread, and even submit your death to that ideal, but to everyone who disagrees with it, to whom good sits above mere material, your death is either a chuckle or a tragic waste, and not noble in the slightest.

>>52983764
Isn't it weird how liberals and communists both accuse eachother of being affluent youths?

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>>52985345
>Long term, turning money into its own abstract concept (fiat) is the best possible thing.
>mfw goy actually believes that

>not wanting an energy backed crypto currency

>>52985375
>it's not noble from *my* perspective, therefor it's not noble
Not even a communist, and I despise them greatly, but Christ almighty you're pretentious.

>>52985242
tell me of any industrial process where gold couldn't be replaced by some other material for small reduction of efficiency or increase of price.

>>52985345
If those who get to make it here weren't an untrustworthy private organization with too much unique power, I'd agree with you.

>>52985400
What's even weirder is that they're both correct.

>>52985320
> Competitors will naturally arise in a free market, unburdened by regulations which serve as barriers to entry.

Barrier to entry exist even without government regulations. Take the fossil fuel industry, for example. It takes a substantial investment just to get going. And if there's someone else already dominating the industry, they can use their superior size to reduce prices in your area while offsetting the loss elsewhere for long enough to drive you out of business, then go right back to business as usual once you're gone. The heavy investment required to start combined with the likelihood of being squashed will then serve as a deterrent to others who might try to enter the industry. You'll get fewer competitors because people won't want to sink a bunch of their money into a business that is going to get crushed like a bug by a much larger, more entrenched company. This is how we got monopolies well before the rise of the modern regulatory state.

>>52985345
As a guideline I agree - I am just worried of scenarios like the handmaidens tales or dark angel where digital money suddenly becomes inaccessible.

>>52985261
then it's not need, it's want, isn't it, faggot?

>>52985414
>being so lazy you want to revert to primitive material currency
>instead of actually taking the effort to oust der Juden from economy control
Uncle Adolf would be ashamed.

>>52985452
I'm Jewish you putz.

What does this have to do with traditional games?

>>52982256

Pol pot was literally the South easy Asian Trump.

>hated the educated city folks

>hated the minorities

>blamed foreigners and intellectuals for everything.

>mobs are democracy.

>charismatic appeal and scapegoats are leadership.

>burn down anything we don't understand.

>>52985425
Circuit boards.

>>52985448
>And if there's someone else already dominating the industry, they can use their superior size to reduce prices in your area while offsetting the loss elsewhere for long enough to drive you out of business, then go right back to business as usual once you're gone.

This has been debunked long ago. If you attempt to do this, people will just buy your product in the low price zone and resell it in the higher priced zones. You have to lower prices across all zones to do this, or lower them so insignificantly that nobody will notice.

>>52985461
>implying Hitler wasn't a Kike
Stop your kvetching.

>>52985425
Conductive lines for multi-terahertz transistors.
Biocompatible electrodes adaptable on piezoelectric layers

I could find more but it's the week-end and I won't dig trough my job stuff.

>>52983701
Thread should have ended here

>>52985196
Sure, it's noble when it's for some sort of a collective, like family or nation. Or even a stranger in need. But when you start sacrificing others in your stead for a perceived rightness, you've got a problem, no matter the ideology.

>>52985248
Personal moral imperative is not equal to ideology, though.

>>52985292
no, wealth is not equal to power.
example: you own a valuable family artefact. if you don't agree to sell it, no one can legally obtain it from you. no matter how rich someone is, you can say 'no' and it has to be respected.

>>52985450
In the context of scarcity, efficiency is always needed.

>oy vey, efficiency is just a want, not need, go dig this canal with a spoon for me Goy!

>>52985488
>Pol pot was literally the South easy Asian Trump.
Nope he was not.

Trump is not a catch 22 president.

>>52985475
politics is one of the oldest traditional games

>>52985512
>Or even a stranger in need. But when you start sacrificing others in your stead for a perceived rightness,
Do you mean others, or "The Other"; it's a big difference.

Free market thought experiment, why not get rid of inheritance? Really make everyone earn it.

>>52983971
>i swear communism works, just ignore how every time communists take over they kill anyone who disagrees and then start killing anyone who flees. It really really works. It wasn't real communism

Your kind, the some what educated, are the useful idiots. You will be purged by the very people you help ruin your country.

>>52985500
> If you attempt to do this, people will just buy your product in the low price zone and resell it in the higher priced zones.
Some people will, sure. But not everyone, and not instantly. All you need to do is maintain it just long enough to squash your competitor, and it will take some time for people to find out about a price change in a particular location. In the mean time, the guy who is struggling just to deal with the costs of starting his business will be in a situation where he basically can't compete, and will eventually fold.

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>>52985488
>>hated the educated city folks
What?

>>hated the minorities
You are conflating illegals with minorities, how very racist of you to assume all minorities are illegal.

>>blamed foreigners and intellectuals for everything.
What?

>>mobs are democracy.
According to Hollywood, Antifa and the Regressive left they are.

>>charismatic appeal and scapegoats are leadership.
What is the Left?

>>burn down anything we don't understand.
Berkley.

>>52985488
>hated educated city folks and minorities
>lived in New York and let his kids marry Jews
Sounds legit

>>52985615
>and it will take some time for people to find out about a price change in a particular location.

Do you know how the internet works?

>>52985345
then we just move to other material, that cannot be simply stupidly printed by the government. we're not a fucking rock, we can change.

>>52985589
That's one of the core tenants of a proposed meritocratic system, in fact; a 100% death tax on all wealth and assets owned by an individual which would go towards exclusively funding public education and common goods.

>>52985589
In a free market, I should be able to give my money to my kids if I want to. End of discussion.

>>52985589
If someone makes a contractual agreement with their kids that they will receive some amount of money after parent dies, it is not your, or anyone's, place to interfere with that contractual agreement.

>>52985521
Without wealth, you would never have the option to buy something in the first place, since you wouldn't be able to afford it even if the person did say yes.

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>>52985648
Fuck you.

>>52985662
Free to make it not free then?
>>52985654
Fund the state so it maintains free market? How do you make sure it only does that?

>>52985589
Then give away all your wealth in your last will, nobody's stopping you. People should be free to do so, like giving it all to their children.

>>52985685
Seeing how you have been unjustly given the ability to write i wish public education didn't exist.

>>52985648
What other material? Everything has use! Fuck, if fusion power turns out to work on our scale, you can literally transmute elements!
Given enough time, industrial investment, and technological progress, there is no physical material that can remain sufficiently scarce.
Resource-backed currency is unsustainable, and hopping from precious rock to precious rock literally defeats the purpose of having a stable, long term currency in the first place!

>>52985589
That's not a free market you tard, that is excessive interference of Government power. Free market would be to let families come from all over the world to a new country and give them several generations to see which land on top.

Oh wait, look at that.

>>52985647
Even with the internet, not everyone finds out about something instantly. Nor does everyone have the ability to buy anything from any location. Time and distance still matter, even in the internet era. The market is not an airless, frictionless void in which everyone can transition to a different behavior instantly and seamlessly.

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>>52981704
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>>52985697
A free market is still free even with inheritance, that is still just a voluntary transaction within the market. It is interference by the state that makes it not free.

>free market is just the law of the jungle where all the apes are stuffed in business suits
Libertarians make it really, really hard for communists to maintain their "#1 most unlikeable political ideology" spot.

>>52985579
I mean 'others' in sense of "you sacrifice your brothers, cousins and/or childhood friends instead of sacrificing yourself", not that post-modernist terminology for idiots.

>>52985731
If someone tried to drive me out of the market, the first thing I would do would be to post their low prices all over investment news forums, or other news sources.

And you know how I know this will definitely work in the age of the internet? Because it worked before the internet. Corporate cabals would often try this sort of zoning out thing on other firms, and the firms would just buy their stock and move it to the high priced zones instead. It isn't an effective, or sustainable practice, and that's doubly so in the information era, where knowledge is functionally instant.

>>52985648
>that cannot be simply stupidly printed by the government
The Federal Reserve is not part of the government.

>>52985758
Bottom left seems to be where both are enjoying it the most, so I'll go with that.

>>52985769
How do you balance the potential for monopoly vs voluntary transaction?

>>52985689
>implying i meant The Rock when i wrote a rock
>implying Dwayne Johnson is somehow not a human paragon

>>52985299
I'd wager than the value of gold actually decreased in your example because making a loaf of bread nowadays is much cheaper than it was in the antiquity. Farming is more efficient, processing is more efficient and bakeries are more efficient as well.

>>52985771
>Hard competition, sweat of your brow and free determination
vs
>Jail for absences from work, Government corruption, death squads, starvation and complete control of society and lives

Found the Pinko.

>>52985832
That's actually a red already.
Pinkos are m-m-muh unions and gibsmedats

>>52985789
Strictly speaking it is absolutely part of the government, it's just separated from the political systems which drive most state activity.
>>52985758
Well I guess something in this thread was worth sticking around for.

>>52985832
>ruthless, cold competition
>reduction of human civilization to personal gain and hyper-individuality
>literally nothing more than natural law disguised with ties
Both libertarianism and communism are complete and utter shit.
They are both uncivilized, dehumanizing parodies of civilization based around taking one specific aspect of economics and bringing it to its extreme conclusion.

>>52985783
> If someone tried to drive me out of the market, the first thing I would do would be to post their low prices all over investment news forums, or other news sources.
Gasp, posting about it online.

It's surprisingly easy for something to remain hidden when there is just a glut of contradictory information concealing what is actually true and what is fiction. Brave New World style censorship is far more effective than 1984's. Just drown the relevant information in a sea of garbage.

Also, it did in fact work in the past. It's one of the ways that the oil industry produced monopolies well before the rise of the government regulations that you claim are the cause of monopolies.

>>52985309
>Silicon, for example.
Fucking nice, using sand to back a currency.

I can't see any flaw

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>>52985904
>Pinkos are m-m-muh unions and gibsmedats

Detroit, union strong!

>>52985715
Christ, you retard. do you know why gold-based currency is advocated?
Because the government can't just create gold. With fiat currency, Uncle Sam can just print more money to stick in the ever hungry budget hole, which leads to inflation, which leads to misery.
With currency backed by gold - or any material that can be easily stored and doesn't perish - governments have to actually make sure they don't overspend. They have to fit within a budget instead of printing more money.

>>52985809
Monopolies are the creations of government, not the free market. In a free market, there isn't a risk of potential monopolies to balance against, making restrictions on voluntary transaction unnecessary.

>>52985927
>brave new world style censorship
Oh, so now the firm is hiring an ad agency in addition to lowering its prices. Next you'll say that they're able to do this while maintaining a full on mercenary death ops force to just shoot competitors as well.

Your scheme gets progressively more outlandish, and no more successful, by the minute.

>>52985952
>Uncle Sam can just print more money to stick in the ever hungry budget hole, which leads to inflation, which leads to misery.
So you reckon it's a government problem and not a money problem ?

Also are you aware that inflation isn't necessarily a bad thing ?

>>52985946
Fucking Saudi's and their largest proven natural resources of sand.

>>52985925
Sure, but you have the exact same thing in Communism only you are the one that gets shit on with no chance of escape. At least in the other you have the freedom leave and do your own thing.

In Communism, it has every potential for every abuse extreme libertarianism does without any positive. Those unelected heads of Government competing in the most horrific way to increase resources at your expense.

At least in Libertarianism you receive some incentive to stay that is not being sent to a Gulag.

Both are bad, Communism is horrifically worse tho.