Warhammer 40,000 General Thread /40kg/

>>52980649
Fuck off, I will talk about what I want to.
8th best ed yet?

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first for sisters

>>52980649
How many mortal wounds will a deathstrike missile cause?

>>52980669
>I3
Too slow

>>52980681
>mfw a deathstrike missile lands in the middle of a huge group of units and only kills 3 models.

>>52980681
D6

>>52980665

FPBP. 8E supremacy, all other E inferiority*

*: Exceptions made for 2E and 3/3.5.

>>52980681
D10

>>52980707
D6+D5

>>52980681
Probably d6

>>52980649
So, lets talk traitor legions: whats tgs best guess for the legion rules

What are your favorite models/characters? I love the Salamander pyroclasts models.

>>52980729
world eateres: roll a d3 to deploy on the deep strike phase in unit coherence or a 2+ save, terrain is now gets hot for all of your units

word bearers: summon a psychic phase of daemones ltre jump specail rule, whoever rolls first gets 1d6 wounds chaos mutations. 5++ to all codex special weapons on the charge assault and shootin gphase

>>52980755
Thats was a garbled mess

>>52980729

I think it's fair to assume that Death Guard will have rules that'll make them super durable. How it'll work, idk

>>52980729
>Death Guard: Increased Toughness, FnP, additional saves from range
>Thousand Sons: More spells, better invulnerable saves
>Alpha Legion: More cultists, infiltrate, Warlord shenanigans
>World Eaters: Bonuses to charge and melee, probably involving more attacks and higher strength
>Night Lords: Fear, Night Fighting, Charge after Deep Strike
>Iron Warriors: Tank/Monsterhunter, fucking with cover and more tanks/engines
>Emperors Children: Bonus to speed or attacking first, FnP
>Word Bearers: Daemon allies and Summoning, Cultists

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CHOOSE
YOUR
NON-SOURCED
IMAGINARY
ALLEGIANCE

Alternate, more likely version: Space Marines/Imperium/Aeldari/Other Xenos/Chaos

1. All armies and their models will have their rules spread around all 5 books. So, no Scenery and Rulebooks. Rules will be featured as 12 pages at the end of each book. (Source: GW FAQ)
2. Xenos will have two books (Unconfirmed rumour)
3. Space Marines will get their own book (Unconfirmed rumour)

NEW Factions:
Thousand Sons
Death Guard
Ynnari
Adeptus Mechanicus (Skiitari and Cult Mechanicus)

Removed Factions:
Skiitari (Merged with Cult Mechanicus)
Cult Mechanicus (Merged with Skiitari)
Khorne Daemonkin (World Eater plans?)
Militarum Tempestus

>>52980851
Go back to 1d4ddit

>>52980851
100% official Grand Alliance tier list

Xenos Hordes >> Xenos Empires = Imperial Forces >>>>>> Chaos (Daemons) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any flavor of power armor

>>52980729
Nightlords: some form of fear mechanic, like -1 or 2 to moral checks they cause.

>>52980790
5+ to ignore non-mortal wounds.

>>52980851
>NEW Factions:
>Thousand Sons
>Death Guard
>Ynnari
>Adeptus Mechanicus (Skiitari and Cult Mechanicus)
>
>Removed Factions:
>Skiitari (Merged with Cult Mechanicus)
>Cult Mechanicus (Merged with Skiitari)
>Khorne Daemonkin (World Eater plans?)
>Militarum Tempestus

Where's this from?

>>52980925
https://warhammer40000.com/setting/explore-the-factions/

>>52980937
Thats a fluff faction list, not the game factions.

>>52980925
>>52980948
Stop giving him (You)s.

>>52980937
So we could get TS rules right from the get go? That's pretty awesome. I guess we have Magnus' new model to thank for that.

>>52980925
>>52980937
Too bad they confirmed on the live Q&A that KDK is getting rules and that the factions listed on the site are more of a fluff list than anything to do with the rules releases.

>>52980948
>>52980956
>KDK is getting rules
Yeah, as seperate models.

KDK as codex will be discontinued.

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>>52980745
Ork Kommando Nob
Pretty much sums up Orks in a single mini.

But his entire "generation of orks are great, Kommandoes, Snikrot, Zagstruk, Badrukk...

>>52980971
Not in any way shape or form confirmed. Hell they even said on the live q&a that they aren't getting rid of codexes and that they would be a thing at a later date.

Speaking of traitor legions and traits, what do you think each traitor legion's command traits will be? At the very least, I'm thinking TS will have destiny dice and WE some sort of blood tithe maybe.
Any other ideas? Maybe something like NLs spending command points to have fear that penetrates fearless, or DG being able to do something like attempting to revive some dead units into plague zombies. I dunno, be creative.

>>52980986
>they even said on the live q&a that they aren't getting rid of codexes
Uh, duh?

KDK and Scions won't come back.

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>>52980745
Scions are cool and all but their breastplates suck in comparison.

who the fuck wants scions back

>>52980745
For me it's a tossup between the Thousand Sons guys. They all look so nice.

>>52980745
Valkyries

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>>52980745
Always loved the Cultist models, their ragtag and scummy look appeals to me

When the fuck are GW going to release the Dark Vengeance cultists separately

>>52980745
The Forgeworld Avatar of Khaine.

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so are you guys rebasing you minis for age of the emperor 8th edition?

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>>52980971
>>52980996

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>>52981097
...like, 4 years ago?

>>52980687
8th edition bitch

>>52981136
>M4

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>>52981127
Im talking about the models that are exclusive to the DV box, like pic related

>>52981149
Probably never.

>>52981119
Silly anon, KDK and Scions MODELS will get rules.

Their codexes won't be in 8E. :^)

>>52981159
Thats entirely your speculation. 1 for 1 codex conversion hasn't been confirmed happening or not.

anyone know where to download Hand of Darkness and Eye of Night?

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>>52980669
Where my plastic Sisters at?

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Don't know if anyone cares about summarised battle reports. Marines vs Elysian Drop Troops
>Turn 1
Terminator Librarian and Terminators exit Crusader to cast a buff to claim a VP for casting a spell, proceed to lose almost entire squad to a single multiple rocket pod shot when Elysians combat drop in.
>Turn 2
Marine Predator arrives from reserves, Crusader reduces Veteran squad to 2 men. Avenger enters the table and fails to harm the Crusader with lascannons. Special weapons squad landing right next to Land Raider only score a single glancing hit with three meltaguns. The dice luck has taken a sharp turn at this point.
>Turn 3
From here on my Marines take vengeance for never hitting fliers in any games, Predator one shots the Avenger with a snap shot lascannon, avenger crashes and burns into nearby infantry squad and kills 4. Combat Squad plasma gunner pens the side of the CCS Valkyrie and makes it explode, another miracle snap shot. Vulture kills only the Librarian who tanks 19 shots for his last Terminator buddy, second infantry squad gets charged by dreadnought, lose 4 but hold fast.
>Turn 4
Game is now over as Vulture loses its punisher cannons to a weapon destroyed from a snap shot meltagun hit, Dreadnought proceeds to chase down remaining guardsmen and kills 8 with the heavy flamer. CCS Colonel who is the last Elysian infantry man remaining charges the Crusader with a melta bomb, fails to damage it.
>Turn 5
Silliness ensues as we discard any objective related cards and attempt to complete more interesting ones. Land Raider kills the colonel due to a failed Death or Glory, Dreadnought fires heavy flamer and assault cannon into Drop Sentinel in the open and doesn't scratch it. Vulture with nose heavy bolter and Drop Sentinel kill off Scout Squad and a Combat Squad respectively.

We had a lot of fun, despite neither of use getting to use the units we were looking forward to (Avenger and normal Terminators who always die before doing anything).

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>>52981127
Only half of them are in there.
Here's all the unique guys (Heavy is there twice as he has two weapon options)

>>52981192
You can find Hand of Darkness and Eye of Night in VK Art of War.

>>52981097

I like the aesthetic, I just hate that they're only available as monopose. Like, it's fair enough that guardsman are all wearing the exact same thing, but who the hell is the fashion coordinator ensuring there's only three different styles in the cultist army. I want a kit with a heap of different arms/legs that fit on the same bodies so you can really make a ragtag bunch of chaos worshippers.

>still no Arbites army

>>52981246
I don't think there will be again. :(

>>52981238
man those are nice. I don't even play chaos but I might buy them to have them as objective or something.

>>52981245
They should honestly just release civilian models which can be used as trophy bits/objective markers/cultist of all kinds

>>52981238
>unique guys
>half of them are mirrored with a headswap

Man, working on these mouldlines is absolutely killing my mojo. Any tips for doing this shit quicker? That GW tool any good?

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>>52981238
>that champion model is fluffwise the chaos champion Tetchvar
>he used to a commissar
>when his planet was attacked, he opened some gate and allowed chaos forces in
>they adopted him into the cult, but as punishment for his wormy ways they sewed his stormcoat into his flesh
>he went from an HQ choice commissar to the sergeant of a human grot squad and the weakest character in the entire game

has anyone in 40k ever been more JUST'd? he even has the hair

>be Nid
>see Tau without a gun
>start charging for free food
>I trip
>I break my neck
>Tau laughs at me

IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

>>52981224
sitting in a wheely bin at GW headquarters until someone works up the mental strength to go and retrieve them for the waiting hordes of gibbering autists.

>>52981259
an civilian vehicles. gw would get so much fucking money from me, i love to make terrain with broken vehicles.

>>52981277
? is that some sort of new rules change? can nids kill themselves now?

>>52981288
Ork players would be taking out loans

>>52981288
>tfw no hive-city wrecked open topped subway train model for hallway firefights

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>>52980745
Fire Warriors

>>52981291
Nids have been killing themselves since like 5th edition, senpai.

>Synaptic Backlash
>Eating themselves
>Pyrovore

>>52981270
Hoseface and Gimpy are mirrored bodies, as are Wheezy and Mumbles.
2 dupes outta 9.

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>>52980745
Magnus. He's just so pretty.

>>52981246
If you stick with 7th, you can just use the 3rd edition rules for them.

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>>52981288
Like this ?

>>52981312
Ah. Never played against nids before. The only person with them at my flgs is the singular girl who paints them and nothing else.

>>52980745
Deathwing Knights are just fucking awesome.

>>52980649
Why not make a thread about 5th edition?

>>52981276
Such is the cost for associating with chaos

>>52981328
That ain't civilian enough.

>>52981331
>girl
>plays or owns Nids

EVERY FUCKING TIME

>>52981273
Yeah it's actually great.

How to beat smashfucker, a knight and a LR full of termis charging your lines as guard

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>>52981368
Every time indeed.

>>52981368
Yeah, weird right? This particular hambeast seems at home with them though. Literally a walking bio-hazard.

>>52981372
you wait 1 months for 8th.
Ez counter

>>52981372
Flyers, flyers, flyers
oh and did I mention, flyers
Alternatively run them as elysians as use more flyers
I mean, I roll knights with 3 vendettas deep striking around the place and 10 man squads with 9 twin linked meltaguns

>>52981380
Who the fuck plays with a nipple height table?

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>>52981372

>>52981372
Well guard is about to become the epitome of "Fling shit and dice at it till its dead" because of the new "Everything has a chance of killing everything" rules. So literally wait 1 month.

>>52981397
No-one. That's a normal height table both the girl and jamal just have midget legs and normal sized arms. They're really pushing the diversity agenda with their weird black female midgets.

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>>52981397
Culturally diverse POC and womyn do.

>>52980745
>Favorite model
Call me a fag but damn I really love the Ghostkeel, it's just big enough to be awesome without crossing the line.
>Favorite character
Cypher without a doubt, dual wielding pistol badass who plays both sides of the war? Whats not to love

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>>52981401
I just hope Necron Gauss weaponry is even half as effective as a line of guardsmen

>>52981425
Cypher is unironically edgy and I love him for it.

>>52981401
Tank walls with chaff infantry to absorb charges is going to be really common.

>>52981417
>Stacys spectral paintjob
SHES A WITCH

Any rumours how invulnerable saves and feel no pain will work ? Additional rolls or modifiers ? Say they gain a static value of like FNP(1) or INV(2), with the former increasing your toughness for calculating to wound rolls against shooting and the latter ignoring the rend value of the weapon up to it's own value.

>>52981446
I hope they give gauss some new rules, because the whole "Wreck anything given enough dice" schtick has been given to everyone. Maybe Gauss will just be better at it?

>>52981446
>le necrons are so powerful
In exchange the majority of their units are glass cannons with shit saves.

Then shit like Monoliths and Canoptek Wraiths come along and you stop being able to excuse it.

>>52981455
No idea maybe the shooting preview will let us know

>>52981380
This is a really awkward advert picture; you can really see into their tortured souls that they are just there for some money
Whereas the grown ass neets in the rulebook pictures look like they're having fun, smug fun

>>52981370
Nice, I guess I'll have to pick one up because I am sick of using this knife as it takes ages to trim without murdering my models and I have like 2000pts to finish. Any tips for using it or is it pretty straight forward?

>>52981463
>Necrons
>Glass Cannons
Nigger, what edition are you playing? 4+ RP on EVERYTHING EVER is fucking bullshit and even the Necron players admit it.

>>52981455
Going by the rest of 8th ed, i think it is safe to assume current rules of aos in places where they haven't mentioned anything different

>>52981463
Necrons have never been glass cannons.

>>52981494
You fell for the bait

>>52981483
It's basically a blunted scoop-like edge, that can peel away thin clumps without scarring the flat surface underneath. You use it like a fruit peeler, pretty much. For leftover sprue clippings, a knife is still required.

>>52980925
world Eaters would be the easiest release ever.
literally
> berzerkers
> red butcher Termies
> dreadnought or something medium sized
> character other than Kharn


That'll be the start collecting collecting box as well.

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>>52981291

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Im relatively new to 40k, i have played dawn of war, i doubt ill be doing tabletop because im poor and live in a country where nobody knows about 40k. Anyway, im trying to find my favorite space marine chapter, so far from the first founding my favorite are the Salamanders and the Imperial Fists. But other than that i i hate most others, space mongols, space russians, space angels e.t.c. What are your favorite Space Marine chapters? Bonus points for lesser known ones.

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Would you play against this in a 'casual' game? I made it for our local tourney, but it's not much different from what I normally run.

>>52981455
No.

>>52981586
>Tau
Stopped reading right there.

>Oh, there was one last thing.

>If you’re in combat at the start of your turn, you can Fall Back by moving away from the enemy. You’ll lose the ability to advance, shoot or charge that turn, and crucially, enemies will be able to shoot at you! This does, however, open up a vast range of tactical options for armies like the Astra Militarum, who will now be able to effectively deploy in firing lines, with each row falling back from any assaults in good order (if they survived) while the unit behind them fires at the attackers. It goes both ways though – if you have a dedicated assault unit that specializes in killing infantry (like Warp Talons) your opponent will find it much harder to pin them down in combat with heavily armoured units for the entire game.

so... age of sigmar then?

>>52981584
Black Templars, im in love with their lore and their miniatures.
I recently discovered the Carcharodons and the Lamenters, check their lore resume on youtube.

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>>52980878
you're a wanker

>>52981607
Man, fucking Lamenters don't get a break. They're easily among the better chapters out there just for their lore. Almost extinct and still fighting for the ungrateful assholes that is the rest of humanity and they don't give a single fuck.

>>52981586
>wanting to play in the last month of 7th

no thanks

>>52981596
So you wouldn't have seen the complete lack of monstrous creatures or superheavies

>new death guard are still manlets
So newmarines pretty much confirmed not true scale marine but new breed of marines?

>>52981516
>That'll be the start collecting collecting box as well.

>new faction with plenty of new kits that grognard ask for 20 years that can sell easily at 65€/box

>somehiw need to put a discount box to be nice with customer and only make 65€ instead of 180+

>>52981623
I've played against Tau long before their suits started to grow out of control, they have never been a good army to play against.

>>52981586
>Im not bringing broken units please play with me
Man you Tau players have it HARD. 8th can't come fast enough.

>>52981627
no, They are truescale.
Its just the DG were designed a couple years ago like manlet sons, pretty sure we will see a •2012• on the sprue

>>52981627
yep. But only for Ultrasmurfs because papa smurf is here to give them his pure and virile geneseed injections personally.

>yfw new GW™ does a summer sale during 8th ed launch

When can we expect the new edition to drop? June or July?

>>52981640
Mate you have serious problems if you can't deal with that list.

>>52981664
I'd guess June. With how much they are teasing and hyping, I doubt they'd want more than at most 4 weeks between announcement and release.

>>52981671

I'm struggling to think of an Ork army I could take that would stand a chance against that list.

>>52981607
>>52981617

Thanks im looking into them, very cool.

>>52981622
You can have great fun, just had a small tourney yesterday.

It was a blast, quite varied armies.

1 AM/CM
1 CSM Rotten Flavour
1 CSM Bland Flavour/Daemons
1 IG
1 Necrons
1 SM Blue Flavour
2 SM Dark Flavour
1 SM Fur flavour
1 Tau
1 Tyranids
1 Tyranids/GSC
2 Orks

Winner was the CSM/Daemons player, who too firth without a single summoning or Relic

>>52981584
Dusk Raiders.

ANIMES

WE NEED MORE ANIMES

>>52981721
WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOM

>>52981721
Tau Elite Katana Warriors when?

>>52981688
That's because Orks struggle against basically any list.

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>>52981727
Right now.

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>>52981721
needs more qt chaos

Unarmed Tau killing six orks in a row

>>52981239
is there a way without to register my phone?

>>52981721
LEEEMAAAAAANNNN

RUUUUUUUUSSSSSSS

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>>52981755
>Female Space Marines
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>52981782
That's clearly a Khornate Sister of battle.

>>52981584
>>52981700
You should look into tabletop simulator on steam, there are a bunch of people who dont have the time or money to play warhammer traditionally so they use that as a way to enjoy the war-gaming side of things without breaking the bank. The community was active last I checked and they try to keep it as up to date as possible, hope your situation improves and god bless ya m8

>>52980649
oi u gits, whre is the pdf scan of shadow war armageddon?

Because srsly fuck GW for pulling that shit by creating false scarcity in ordet to sell the same stuff at a higher price.

>>52981782
>implying that's not a Chaos Undevided Lord genderswapped by Slaanesh and wearing Khornate melee gear

>tfw love Tyranids, Admech, and Necrons
>tfw only have enough money to build one army

h e l p

>>52981801
>You should look into tabletop simulator on steam, there are a bunch of people who dont have the time or money to play warhammer traditionally so they use that as a way to enjoy the war-gaming side of things without breaking the bank

Wow didn't know this, ill give it a try.

>hope your situation improves and god bless ya m8

Thanks mate, god bless you too :3

>>52981805
Did ya git check the SWA thread?

>>52981823
do less points mini armies. do like me. make a mistake.

>>52981823
Go admech. Honestly been My favorite army's to paint and play with at this point.

>>52981805
lel it was a boxed game, it was supposed to be a one and done but they completely underestimated how popular it could be. Check the /swag/ thread for the base rule book and check any swa related items in their store for the expanded faction pdf

>>52981823
http://decidermachine.com/

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>>52981794

>>52981823
Ebay/craigslist/kijiji. Loadsa people jumping ship prematurely so I've been seeing some interesting listings

>>52981836
because there's a swag thread?

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>>52981281
gibbering autist reporting in

>>52981872
ye, go catalog and ctrl+f swag

>>52981878
>wearing your panties over your helmet

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>>52981847
There is undivided, now we just need pics of Tzeneech, Slaanesh, and Nurgle.

And now just Tzeneech and Big Pappa Nurgle.

Chaos players: what's to earn from demonhood? What the fuck would you do after ending it all? You would have nothing else to kill or fuck, what will you do with your free time? You passions, dreams and projects would come to a full stop, what the hell is wrong with you?

Please explain.

>>52981897
>Nurgle Sister
Nigga I left your mom so I didnt have to see that shit

>>52981900
We don't want to perish - we want to exist, eternal. Finding something interesting to do can be done after you gain the favor of Gods.

>>52981900
Ask GW.

>>52981900
>immortality
>having all the time of the world to play video games, collect every army and then try to conquer planets

>>52981897
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Sister_of_Nurgle

>>52981900
Daemonhood confers immortality, and as such an unlimited amount of time to do whatever the fuck you want, which would likely be fight, fuck, march or plan, dependant on god.

>>52981911
what makes you think it's a nurgle sister you doofus?

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>>52981890
CANT UNSEE. FUCK.

>>52981900
Ending it all? Who said we want to end it all. We teach the next generation our ways, they find new deaths of depravity and hedonism and the generation after them explores further until it comes full circle and the things like platonic friendship, and consensual sex become the new sick and twisted.

>>52981924
Where did I imply it was? I was saying dont post the nurgle turgle out of jest while making a comparison to your female birth parent

>>52981900
immorality and invading the mundane world to fight, the constant daemon infighting isn't boring either

most human souls don't last long in the warp either. a few strong souls go the emperor, 90% evaporate and the others are stolen by daemons

>>52981765
Phone is optional I suppose.

>>52981765
Art of War is open group. You can just enter Warhammer 40k & AoS: Art of War in Google.

>>52981991
>>52982023
you need to sign up to access the audio files. to sign up you need to enter your phone number

So, now that stats are not capped, how likely is that we will have ld11 units with VotLW?

>implying that VotLW will be a thing anymore.

But yeah, it would be awesome if ExSorc had ld11 for tests and Seer's Bane. Also, now that blasts is not a thing anymore Silver Tower shoot should be way more useful.

>>52981495
Given that we already know they have significantly different statlines i don't think we can make that assumptiom.

>>52982145
Just wait a second then. I can upload Hand of Darkness and Heart of Night.

>>52982246
that would be much appreciated

>>52982197
We're getting totally new rules for everything. I wouldn't expect seers bane to stay the same, or even stay at all.

>>52982246
that would be so awsome!

>>52982268
Sure, but it's a concept that should still work in 8th ed.

Although, i do have to wonder how high ld can get now that morale is d6+casualties vs ld.

>>52982265
https://mega.nz/#F!CpIQgQqA!TTfX-cTwdWlt9YvykKphDA
https://mega.nz/#F!z9wjCbQK!WiU-4p1MnD_X8hIkMit5yA

>>52982350
love you, anon

>>52981890
It gives you a 6++ for free if you do it.

>>52980745
The Venerable Leman Russ (with armored track guards) will always be my favorite.

Shoot phase reveal.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/30/new-40k-shooting-phase-apr30gw-homepage-post-4/

Looks like you can shoot with pistols in CC, cool.

Heavy weapons onky -1 to hit on the move.

Ignores cover will still be a thing, just not on flamers anymore.

Shooting is out
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/30/new-40k-shooting-phase-apr30gw-homepage-post-4/

>cover is FINALLY a -BS modifier

thank fuck, yes

>heavy weapons can move and shoot at -1 BS

that's both surprising and potentially cool, but I haven't thought through all the ramifications yet, might be disastrous idk

>pistols can shoot even while in CC

M E L E E T A U

>>52982460
>cover is FINALLY a -BS modifier
>thank fuck, yes
you should read that again

>>52982460
>>cover is FINALLY a -BS modifier
>thank fuck, yes
Except it's not, it's an armor modifier

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>click the community website
>see this
Cute

>>52982460
>Seraphim Gun-Fu is back!
>Everyone has it!
>God damn it!

as we speak I'm panting over 10k current points worth of Slaanesh, including 60 Old school metal daemonettes.

Please GW, do not fucking kill Slaanesh like you did in AOS

>Marines can't do shit to termies in cover

kek

>>52982460
>Can't shoot if there is an enemy with 1'' of you

Hmmm ... does this mean I can park my Rhinos inside a Tau gunline and make all the shooting go away ?

>>52982460
>melee tau
>Sniper Drone Marksman are the only tau who carry pistols

>>52982475
Seraphim get a pair of hand flamers option don't they? If those stay pistols its going to be brutal as fuck.

>leman russ nova canon
que?

>>52982491
Isn't that like the whole point of terminator armour ?

But a roll of 1 will most likely still mean a failed save.

Wonder if we'll lose pistols counting as extra cc weapons now that they just shoot.

>>52982460
>Can't shoot if the enemy is within 1" unless you have pistols

Okay. Gives pistols a reason to exist.

>-1 to hit if you move Heavy weapons, even if mounted on a vehicle

Makes sense, but I can see that hurting Guard a lot.

>>52982499
Bueno

>>52982475

Well, we don't know that everyone will have 2 pistols and Inferno/Flamer Pistols are a bastard and a half. d6 autohitting melee attacks are not to be disliked.

I'll admit, I'm curious: Does that mean you shoot in melee during the shooting phase (Then melee as normal) or will you be using pistols as melee weapons?

>>52982506
Yeah, fantasynhad the 1 always fails thing when you could stack up to a 1+ or better save.

>>52982517
Hand flamer will probably be d3 wounds.

Although plasma and melta pistols will be pretty cool.

>>52982509
I do hope so, because the pistol shot is basically an melee attack in the shooting phase, since you're only allowed to shoot at the closest target.

Plasma pistols are gonna be the shit though.

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>>52981645
>fuck me that shield on the left is sexy
>been out of the hobby for a bit, mind telling me what kit it's from?

Deathwatch Vanguard Veterans

>>52982213
I think we both have different thresholds of what constitutes significantly and barely.

>>52982541

I could see (With the reduced strength) it staying d6 or them bumping it up to the same power as a regular flamer and making it d3.

Keeping it both 'A lasgun' and making it d3 hits would make it a not very good gun.

Still, have to wait and see.

>>52982438
>>52982454
I like that some cover-based things are BS modifier s and some are armor mods.

Also glad to hear that Noise marines still ignore it

>>52982541
2D3 autohits in cc is still great.

>>52981380
>Dark Angels

Can we please bully IG players next?

>>52982578

Yeah. That's a lot of very miserable...well, anyone honestly. It's a lot of chances to lose a wound even with good stats.

>>52982569
How is the 8e statline not significantly different to AoS? Theres like 6 extra stats.

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>>52982213
>Psiphase is like AoS
>Movement is like AoS
>Leadership is like AoS
>Shooting partially is like Aos
>Stats partially are like Aos

Even if we don't have the full picture i can still see a trend here.

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>>52982454
>>52982438

>vehicles suffer a negative mod for moving and firing heavy weapons

whelp, rip dreads, sents, landspeeders, chims etc etc etc etc etc

we age of infantry now

>>52982577
From what I've read I would bet that all terrain based cover will be an armour modifier, and all rule based cover (stealth, jink, etc) will be a hit modifier. It kinda makes sense too

>>52982606
Unless something like relentless is back

>>52982572
>>52982578
Hmm, lets see. Bolt pistol hits on 3+, wounds on 4+. So that's 0.33w per pistol. D3 S3 flamer would be 0.66w.

D3 S3 sounds about right.

>>52982509
then two pistols would be a better melee loadout than melee weapons + pistol...

>>52982606
Wrong. Vehicles can now fire all of their heavy weapons on the move at a -1 modifier instead of only shooting one if they move at combat speed.

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>>52982587

This is a no bully zone

>>52982596
That you see AoS in everything ?

>>52982606
Who suffer from the same negative modifier for moving and firing heavy weapons ? Did you read the whole thing ?

>>52982617

Perhaps. Does make me really hope for a pair of Relic flamer pistols that are just regular flamers in stats.

Still, I do wonder how many units that were not modelled with pistols will end up losing them now that they are handy melee weapons.

Stuff like how a lot of infantry had a pistol purely in case you wanted to (For some reason) shoot then Charge.

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>>52982606
I'm a little miffed that with the new special rules Skitarii stand to lose both of their unique stat bonuses - Relentless may not be a thing and everyone has a variant of it, same with Feel No Pain as such, and they may roll Doctrinas into some retarded "Psychic Machine Powers" bullshit. Our whole "inexorably advancing gunline heedless of casualties" is probably just going to be EVERY SHOOTY ARMY if they keep morale buffs as abundant as AoS, too.

>>52982650
Yeah, i have a feeling regular marines and such will gi bsck to having a cc weapon and maybe the option of buying a pistol.

>>52982650
Thing is, no much changed. Pistol used to give you +1 attack. Now it gives you additional S4 AP: - attack .. which is same thing.

What this means is that you can upgrade your melee by purchasing better guns. Also, all those pistol relics no one ever used will now have a use.

>>52982652
Given how many units use them I'm sure we'll see new versions of relentless and FnP

>>52982632
>That you see AoS in everything ?
Maybe i just call a stick a stick?
I'm not saying it is bad per se, but to someone who actually is used to various different systems of tabletop games, this really just reads like aos 1.5; for example, allowing to shoot in melee like in aos, but limiting to the weapons where it makes sense

My favourite game is crossfire, so hey,
i'm not judging

>>52982663

Well, same thing for Marines. It's a serious improvement for armies with guns stronger than their fists.

>>52982674
Are there really that many armies with S3 melee and S4 guns? Like, SoB are only ones i can think of.

>>52982688
Orks

>>52982688

Tau are Str 3 with Str 5 guns as well as non-nob orks.

>>52982669
Well if you think 8th edition statlines are mostly the same as AoS statlines because both have wound, save, move, and leadership values, then like 90% of all wargames have stats that are mostly the same as AoS.

>>52982674
Ork boyz won't be thankful if it means losing a regular WS4 attack for one that hits on 5+ instead
And I wonder if this will affect combat resolution

>>52982688
Orks, Eldar, Tau have S5 guns.

Almost everyone but guard and marines have S3 and S4+ weapons.

Do you even play?

>>52982695
If they hit on 5+, it kinda averages out.
>>52982700
Are those pistols?

>>52982688
Thing is, it seems that it's carried out in the shooting phase, so it essentially makes Marines A2 because Bolter stats are now S4 AP-.

>>52982715

Pulse Pistols are Str 5, yeah.

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>>52981897

>>52982712
Orks and eldars have s4 basic gun. Do you even play the?

>>52982720
I do wonder if this means Chainswords will actually do something now, because otherwise the only difference between a Tactical marine and a Assault marine will be that one has a bolter and the other a jump pack.

>>52982720
>>52982734
So it kinda makes assault phase more lethal overall. It seems like decent change overall - i really want to see what kind of cool relic pistols will get used because of this.

Although, if it's really in shooting phase, it means that you can shoot when you get charged, and you have to opt to remain in combat if you wanna shoot.

>>52982742
Wrong Oxford comma.

Meant to say only tau have S5 while everyone else has S4. Only the guard have S3 guns and S3 dudes.

>>52982613
I kind of like that distinction

>>52982492
They'll be able to move before shooting...
>>52982460
>pistols can shoot even while in CC
>M E L E E T A U

I'd buy every pistol for my Tau infantry!

>>52982757
good point, they will probably give it a -1 armor save modifier

>>52982734
Well I guess that neat if your... Failsafe Ejector ejected Battlesuit pilot or... Downed Air Caste pilot? ever goes into melee.

Who else get the pistols?

>>52981291
Sounds like a failed dangerous terrain test.

>>52982438
I wonder if deathspitters will count as pistols for tyranids monsters

>>52982786
Sniper drone spotters.

>>52982775

I... How many Tau units do you think even have pistols? I can only think of the sniper drone controller dudes.

>>52982786
I bet one (you) that either breachers or pathfinders can buy pistols in 8th.

>>52982438
My sergeants are most pleased with the new edition's changes.

>>52981721
NO

>>52982786

I have no clue, honestly. I've fought tau a lot but don't play them myself.

>>52982798
I hope we get more units with them - they're snazzy!

>>52982796
Huh, coukd be interesting.
Spine fists as pistols would make sense too, plus give them a point on warriors or raveners

>>52982804
IT IS THE ENEMY WHO WILL DIE

>>52981755
Khârn the Betrayer...of my heart

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>>52982454
>shooting pistols in combat
>still no plastic sisters
fuck you GW

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>>52982606
>MFW Leman Russ gets Lumbering Behemoth back

Why is melee and shooting in different phases?

I've never understood why the delineation exists. It seems to solely fuck with armies that want to melee but maybe also shoot depending on context.

>Taus can now shoot during melee
Fuck me up, fampais

>>52982870
>torchstar makes all flames in his units count as pistols
Need a light?

>>52982870
Man you're right, fuck the meta will never recover from the shock of battlesuit pilots and and sniper drone spotters going into melee with their pistol and fists, murdering all around them with one s5 shot per turn.

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>>52982870

>the days of obese autismos losing their shit over Tau having sidearms is quickly returning

Pathetic!

>>52982907
I like this kind of /s

>>52982907
Really shows how few people actually plays the damn game and just spout memes 24/7. It's such a bummer.

>>52982734
Only 1 Tau model actually has a Pulse pistol though, and it's one that'll never end up in melee

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Can I be at 1" from an enemy to stop its shooting without having charged?

>inb4 but they would just move and shoot next turn
imagine if a swarm completely encircled an unit

>>52982742
>>52982764
Shuriken guns as S 3

>>52982933
Na it's a double effect of sorts, you have to stay at least 1" away if you're not locked in melee.

>>52981159
>>52981175

Scions as a separate army was always pants-on-head retarded anyways.

more info from GW facebook:

"But, you'll probably be able to more more than 6" with most vehicles as movement isn't standardised any more. And you can shoot your turret weapon AND hull weapon at only -1. Your transports are going to be fine, trust us."

Q: "now I can finally move my long fangs around, and my blood claws will me amazing in close combat. are negative modifiers to BS cumulative? say for example a heavy weapon unit moved and the enemy triggered their smoke launcher."
A: "Yes, they will be.
Hitting a vehicle in a cloud, while moving, with a sniper rifle is pretty tricky."

>>52982938
Shuriken pistols and rifles are S4 AP5 Bladestorm
Shuriken Cannons are S6 AP5 Bladestorm

>>52982933
It is not legal to be within 1" of an enemy unit if you are not in melee with them. Ergo you cannot stop a unit from firing by standing just outside melee range.

Does deathguard look like it'll be a parallel of AoS Blightking's small but elite type of army?

I always liked really small model count armies like Ogre kingdoms but it's been hard to find in 40k barring very specific formations like the tetrad.

>>52982938
Never notice it since the fucks never use it as that.

Blade storm all day every day.

>>52981276
I use that guy in my Shadow War CSM list and of course I came up with my own autistic backstory but I won't bore you here with it, needless to say that Commissar Coat is too badass to not notice.

>>52982982
Uknown, so far we've seen regular DG's, fatter ones and zombie/cultists.

>>52982982
Nah, they should have imperial fucktons of cultists and zombies covering the heavy hitters.

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>templates removed
>smoke reduces BS
>cover increases armour
>no more standardised movement

>>52982962
I feel like they should have been designed to be a mix army. One that is meant to be allied in, but with a standalone option. The problem is that GW made them too inefficient to ally with and made their individual army irrelevant because it's all included in the AM codex.

>>52982996
Tell the tale m8, thats why this board exists. Also do CSM have Razorback equivalents?

>>52983035
>Also do CSM have Razorback equivalents
No, though their rhinos can take combi weapons and havoc launchers

>>52981584
Iron hands. Real grit, tech based, good colors, and feel like loyalist iron warriors.

>>52982975
Check again, you're one over on both.

>>52982606
Come on lumbering behemoth rule! Let my Leman Russ Cannons SING!

That said it does sound pretty fair for a tank's guns to work like that. Even today most tanks prefer to stop before firing.

>Eradicator is S6 AP-1 Ignores Cover modifyers
I sense a price increase in our future!

>>52982454
>Vehicles snap firing heavy weapons

Goodbye sweet leman

>>52983083
not snap firing, just a -1 modifier and they can shoot multiple weapons now too

>>52983091
SQUATS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>52983091
Stop!
They're already dead!

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>>52983063

>>52983000
>cover increases armour
Venomthropes are probably gonna be bomb ass choice in the coming edition

>>52982482
They just said Noise Marine weaponry ignores cover, so I think you're safe buddy.

What are the odds that the Wraith Host will still be fieldable in 8th? Was kinda thinking about picking one up

>>52983083
-1 to hit is much more forgiving than only hitting on 6s.

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>>52983091
GW with the bants.

I thought it had been "discovered" that there were Squats left but the Adminitratum had misplaced the records and blamed everyone else for the error.

>>52983115
I am [this] close to buying my nids

>>52983115
I'd bet their smoke cloud becomes a oenalty to hit, like vehicle smoke launchers.

At a guess from what we've seen so far cover that was just for being hard to see will become a hit penalty, cover that was a physical barrier that could intercept bullets is an armour save mod

>>52983127
Not for IG

>>52983115
KFF's better go back to cover too.

>>52983126
70%

50/50 for either/or plus 20% for them making an effort to do balance.

>>52982438
>Ignores cover will still be a thing, just not on flamers anymore.
Where does it say that?

Doesn't making cover an armour save modifier reduce granularity and make the game less varied?

>>52983138
This means that Stealthsuits will be hit on 5s or 6s for most units that aren't god-tier marksmen, and have a 2+ save in cover.

MUH DICK

>>52983141
Really? When did they become Orks?

>>52983141
Yeah it is, hitting on 5s is twice as good as hitting on 6s.

>>52983147
In the weapons profile reveal, flamers are now S4 AP0 assault D6 autohits. No ignores cover rule.

>>52983168
They didn't show any special rules for the weapons, they just showed their profiles.

>>52983152
Oh god yes I love stealth suits
Even though I only field 3 because fuck they are expensive

>>52983115
I will remark, if Canticles remain much the same I am HYPED for 1+ Armour Skitarii. Or possibly -1+ Sv Magi, where a lascannon does nothing to the save at all.

>>52983148
um

no?

It means cover is no longer something every soldier completely disregards unless they have armor that's ignored by standard weapon AP

Screencap this 'cos I'm calling it now.

"We will have cool new rules for all models currently sold"
Is what happened in Age of Sigmar

Inb4 many current races get shoe-in rules before getting squatted or end-times'd.

Inb4 Eldar and DEldar get rules, but then new Ynnari Aeldari rules and models drop and old Eldar plastics are no longer sold.

This has happened before, exactly like this.
It might not be a bad thing. But be prepared.

>>52983152
>[Stealth Cadre Optimizes]

>>52983148
Before it was a save replacer.

Now it's better for worse units and less free invulnerable saves for strong units.

Can anyone share Carrion throne?

Will this change to cover make Terminators better? Will they lose the Invulnerable save in your opinion?

>>52983184
You gotta remember that AoS happened before they were ready because of all the copyright bullshit but 8th has been in the works for a while now (heck, the banners on the displays in my local GW are reversible and say Imperium/Chaos/Xenos on the otherside and have been up for at least a year)

>>52981782
Actually happens in Storm of Iron. That is probably fan art of that IC officer who got possessed by krogers armor.

>>52983178
Bitch I use -12-. I don't give a fuck if they're expensive, they're godlike versatile unit with a lot of dakka and tactical potential, and they look awesome to boot.
>>52983188
It will be a beautiful sight to see people take a single ghostkeel as a tax just to add more badass stealthsuits just like I do

>>52983216
>Will this change to cover make Terminators better?
Yes
>Will they lose the Invulnerable save in your opinion?
I suspect they'll get it replaced by some new extra resiliance special rule.

>>52983236
I love my lone Ghostkeel, my fluff is exiles so having more than one is just wrong

JUST REVEAL THE FIVE BOOKS ALREADY

I WANT TO FUCKING PREORDER

>>52983242
Will storm shields remain as they are?

>>52983236
Currently mine are facilitation for my mass Crisis Suit fusion festival. I deep-strike the stealth suits equipped with a homing beacon, then lovingly place my Crisis teams around them and start melting everything in sight. My gunline of Fire Warriors and Broadsides watches and laughs from the sidelines.

>>52983260
It's a beautiful centerpiece, I adore mine as well. Plus it's a giant stealthsuit, so it's megacool. Fuck the Riptide and it's stupid manbaby proportions, the Ghostkeel is extra thicc

>>52983275
Sure as fuck hope not, they were a mistake.
Combat shields worked because they had a role and limitations.
Storm shields were just a finger to any and all that had to face terminators, just like wraiths were.

They couldn't be built, planned or fought around, they were just a lump of concrete you had to chip away at to progress, until the equally awful complimentary D-weapon spread.

>>52983336
I was super tempted to get one, but my group hates me enough for converting to Tau from SM without them having to deal with a mostly invisible MC running around their backfield, melting tanks and shit. The Fire Warrior and Broadside gunline with shrouded Pathfinders everywhere has them producing enough salt as it is.

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>>52983184

IG are well on their way to getting end-times'd. I am loath to think but I suspect we will see some reformation of the Imperial Guard headed by Guilliman.

Dark eldar are effectively dead. Yes I see the Ynnari becoming the flagship Eldar race now.

Even Space Marines are not safe from this. The new sons of Guilliman are going to become the focus of the narrative structure.

This is not the setting we know and love, Games Workshop.

>>52983177
They had the special rule that flamers automatically hit. Why wouldn't they have the rule about them ignoring cover if there was one?

>>52983355
Just get one, 8e is sure to rejig the powerlevels enough that it won't matter much.

Even if it doesn't, screw the haters. They're your minis you build and paint for you. Just get what you want.

>>52983342
I hope Storm Shield will turn into a save against mortal wounds, but not just regular wounds.

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>>52982350
my gratitude

>>52983342
>They couldn't be built, planned or fought around

But actually they totally could.
They were the only Terminators people could plausibly take because they were the only terminators not to be burnt on both ends by both hordes of cheap shit and high powered weapons.

>>52983361
I'm hoping they don't go so far as to destroy the setting entirely and that the new space marines are mainly a new armour mark.

>>52983355
Honestly the ghostkeel is a balanced unit, provided you use just 1. Mine is very useful but is very vulnerable to incorrect positioning. If anything charges it, it's fucked.

I'd honestly say even the OSC formation isn't a big deal provided your army isn't also cheese. I don't even use broadsides or crisis suits, just infantry, stealths and outflanking most of them. The OSC for me is great cause it gives some markerlight independence.

>>52983378
Truedat, but I'd like to field it and not just paint it.

>>52983379
A save against unsaveable wounds?

>>52982669
>this really just reads like aos 1.5
it absolutely is this. Not that that is bad. They took the AOS rules and cleaned them up and improved them and repackaged them for 40k 8th. I seriously hope AOS 2nd is the rules for 40k 8th because they are the same basic rules set but obviously improved in all the ways that needed improving.

will dark elder be shit in 8th? the only reason I haven't gotten into 40k is cause Deldar are absolute garbage and have been for years.

I don't really like the focus on pistols in my opinion, I kinda hoped they would get rid of sidearms in general for troops, e.g. space marines always carrying a pistol even if you usually just see the sergeant carrying one. It's not that great modeling-wise, imo they should just leave the boltgun as their multitool weapon.

>>52983184
Screencap this:

>Imperium will have Sons of Gulliman as the posterboys
>Chaos will only get Khorne shit after Death Guard release
>Aeldari is the only book we get while all the other xeno races are shoved in another book, Ynnari are the posterboys
>Xenos posterboys are the Orks and their new Ghazkull army called Mekjawz

there you fucking go

>>52983365
They will, but again they haven't shown any special rules yet, only profiles. By your logic, flamers in 7e shouldn't ignore cover given the current flamer profile (>>52983402)

We simply haven't seen the rules. The profile is not all there is to a weapon.

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>>52983407

>>52983083
I'm sure Lemans will still be good. We'll be able to fire all weapons I'm sure. We might even get Lumbering Behemoth back which might mean the -1 Modifier is gone.

SONS
OF
GULLIMAN

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>>52983129