Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52972294
Ok, there's no way that animeposter isn't

1. Actually 2hu
2. Someone intentionally witch-hunting 2hu to pose questions related to what he does

Seriously this is fucking crazy.

>>52972294
Is the kitsune actually being played asian, or is it just someone trying to act out their partial furriness without using their different forms.

(in either case who cares, if you get charmed you get charmed.)

>>52972294
Of course it's different if the charm is from a kitsune.
Sheer disgust should entitle me to an additional saving throw.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/76041/mighty-quest-for-epic-loot-in-the-lair-of-the-kobold-queen

For anyone interested in that worldhopping type of adventure described last thread and last night.

So, what or who are you looking forward to doing in Overlewd?
More importantly, what do you want done TO you if you should get captured by the Empire?

>>52972294
Violent strangulation to any who would even try.

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>>52972294
FUCK YOUR KITSUNE! Kitsune a shit!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

This is now a Kobold Thread! Talk about cool Kobolds you made, played, fought, or revisions of stats and things!
Kobolds > Shitsune!

>>52972294
Pathfinder Kitsune are fine.
Weebsune are shit.

Hilariously, Paizo did kitsune less fucking terribly than DSP did.

What a world we live in.

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OWlbear.

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Post a character theme for a party member.

>>52972441
Pervy older guy who tries to get all the female party members to wear a chainmail bikini. He's actually gay and acts pervy to cover it up.

>>52972420
I made a kobold rogue with the trapmaker archetype. She was actually a super fun time. Setting up traps and having people fall into them so you can go up and shank them while they are flat footed. (Plus all the jars of spiders.) Plus, everyone knows collecting the shinies are of top importants.

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>>52972420
In my current setting, Kobold are former Troglodyte slaves who capitalized on the fall of their master's empire to employ ninja tactics and claim their own freedom.

Because angry ninjabold with moves straight out of Five Elements Ninjas is just great.

>>52972420
>Grrr, your memecancer is bad
>This is now my memecancer

Both of you are furries and fetishists, nothing more.

>>52972420
How are those attribute bonuses, if you can even call them "bonuses", treating you?

>>52972441
Well, I'm already the black knight, so he gets...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpWTcVheMaQ

>>52972465
>>52972441
This but make him an old lecherous monk, or a pervy wizard.

>>52972405
This is a lewd game, so it's the GM's fucking DUTY to include at least one tentacle monster.

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>>52972470
>not playing superior Zethian Kobold

>>52972473
>Black Knight
>Not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBY0C0ytUvc

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>>52972469
You say that as though it's going to change anyone's minds about anything.
we know, we just don't give a shit. Our memecancer is clearly superior.

>>52972389
This actually seems pretty interesting. I always wanted to get some kind of ship or something to use as a player base (without being a pirate that is.)

>>52972470
Eh, it just means only the most skilled optimizers and roleplayers would dare pick one up

>>52972467
>>52972468
not gonna lie, both of those sound pretty sweet

>>52972503
Oh, what I mean is *my* character is a black knight. That theme was for the other guy.

And if we ever have to fight...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGjwXI0n5-I

>>52972503
>>52972473
>these plebs
Stand back and GIVE ME YOUR MONEY
https://youtu.be/fCKDvjVzpNQ

>>52972518
The only trouble was a giant magical snake that could not be tripped and its saving throws were through the roof. Getting grappled (and swallowed) as a kobold by a snake that is immune to poison was a REAL trouble.

>>52972405
Kent is the most fuckable character with a dick and I ain't feelin /u/, plus some nice romance equals redemption / development of mature emotions potential.

If I get captured there better be mounted fear of rape and humiliation culminating in a dashing rescue by my partymembers just in time to save my purity.

I swear to god if I don't get at least one bodice-ripper trope out of this I'm gonna be pissed.

>>52972537
Oh look...
Here comes the snow.

>>52972468
>>52972518
It's been hella fun so far. The party has a somewhat unreliable, chakram-focused Kobold ninja NPC following them around and helping when it suits his purpose.

Kobold ninjas with ballsy elemental moves vs. Gnomish ninjas with illusion techniques is an ongoing background conflict.

Breath of the Ancestor, as a ninja trick, does a better job of giving Kobolds a breath weapon than any feat chain I've seen.

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>>52972336
What did 2hu do with kitsune THIS time?

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>>52972576
>just in time to save my purity.
>not "just in time to see my purity stolen"

>>52972596
His playtest for SoM had a shota kitsune trap charm 3 members of the party.

Does anybody here actually PLAY Pathfinder, or do all of you just shitpost about it on 4chan?

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>>52972602
>>52972576
>Evil campaign
>Lewd campaign
>Anyone having purity

Would someone mind reposting the Erodaemon?

>>52972618
Ninjabold anon here, I actually play. I live with the same bunch of nerds I went to college with, I literally live with my party.

>>52972618
yes

>>52972441
Buff as hell lady, either in full plate or skimpy fur that shows off her figure, who is very physical in displaying affection and doesn't know her own strength. I mean, just an idea

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>>52972294
>blank stare
>can't seem to not be 'happy'
>creepy, empty voice
>something's wrong with their eyes

>>52972621
Who are the confirmed virgins of Overlewds anyways?

>>52972618
Are you kidding? The shitposting didn't get this bad UNTIL we started actually playing Pathfinder!

>>52972618
I play Pathfinder, unfortunately.

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>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/76041/mighty-quest-for-epic-loot-in-the-lair-of-the-kobold-queen
>voice
>monsters characters
>kobolds
Alright this is grea-
>all classes accepted minus all the hybrid classes, except the Swashbuckler is allowed. Most of those spheres of power and tome of combat books are not allowed however.
FUCKING DAMMIT YOU FOOL YOU RUINED IT!

>>52972618
Once a month or so, when I can schedule it with my mates on skype. Sadly I don't get to play as often though

>>52972663
What. Why would someone ban hybrids? They're the most fun set in the game.

>>52972662
>unfortunately
If you don't like it, why do you still play it?

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My DM doesn't really like third-party or non-Paizo content. He's pretty nice and lenient otherwise, but I just have a lot of cool ideas for characters- for example, I want to play a Kestrel. He just seems worried other players flooding the game with 'Well, Anon got this, so I should be able to get this, too!'

They're so cute and I like their bonuses, even if they're kind of dumb. Also, I really want to play one. Any advice on how to convince him/avoid the whole 'they got this, so i need this' scenario?

>>52972699
>>52972663
I think he said they are just checked harder than non-hybrid.

Swashbuckler is essentially not a hybrid class anyways.

>>52972704
My friends don't want to try other systems even if I offer to DM, but if it's Pathfinder I can find a game to play in any day of the week.

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>>52972706
>bloodforge
ew.
But to answer your question, just let him have a look at it, and talk with him about it like a reasonable adult.

>>52972722

Have you considered playing video games instead? Or gardening? I don't see any good reason to waste time on something you do not enjoy.

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>>52972621
>MY HEART IS PURE
>PURE EVIL

>>52972663
Can't blame him though. I find the slayer to be the most annoying thing. Every group with a slayer, they end up taking absolutely every role except full caster.

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>>52972744
>I don't see any good reason to waste time on something you do not enjoy.
Welcome to adulthood

>>52972602
Only if it serves as the climax of my love interests story arc as he transitions from heartless badboy to a man capable of real empathy as he comes to understand the source of his now unequaled rage at witnessing this injustice.

>>52972768
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0GKGpObgPY

>>52972764
Can't tell if bait, retarded, Core Rogue player, or just shit DM

>>52972764
Wow, your players must be shit, if a Slayer can invalidate them.

>>52972768

Naw, you're still playing games with dice and dragons. Adulthood is far, far away from you.

>>52972787
All four?

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>>52972768
>>52972791

Aren't you two tired?

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>>52972768
>not getting a job you genuinely love doing

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>>52972615
Isn't it their fault for failing their Will saves?

>>52972744
I like the roleplaying side, but time has driven me to optimizing to get combat over with as painlessly as possible.

>>52972801
That would require there to be a discipline I enjoy that can also earn me money.

>>52972780
Who you hoping you get picked with Gloriana?

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>>52972441
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrG4TEcSuRg

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>>52972706
GM is totally in their right to ban flying races like strix and syrinx.

>>52972805
Less talking about that more talking about the content of the OP post.

>>52972555
>>52972537
I'll give him something better than money!

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>>52972835

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>>52972801
>enjoying the futile efforts of a doomed, mortal species to create a barely-functional society

>>52972824
Go on, then. Just give in. It's not as if you're really missing anything, and it's not as if they'll miss you. Caress your fear, and surrender to despair. It is the only choice you have left.

This is the price you pay for the hubris of your forefathers.

>>52972537
Saddling up for one last charge against the campaign's villain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Qkzj5bStU

>>52972441
I feel like something went wrong in this communication.

>>52972828
Who?
I already answered that higher up the quote chain.

>>52972883
I don't have fear and despair, I'm actually a very happy individual.

I accredit that to my unemployment and not being subjected to wage slavery.

Does anyone have that combo of feats that uses Trip to provoke a dozen AoOs or so?

>>52972389
Sure I could be down for that. Will we be allowed to keep our classes when the game is moved to Starfinder? I have a strange hankering to play an esoteric wizard or kung fu monk in the distant future.

>>52972856
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>>52972952
Yes, yes, I see. Drink deeply of your pride while you still possess it. Let yourself believe that you stand above them in spirit.

I will drink of the great wound upon your soul, which will come with the weight of reality.

>>52972850
When was the last time YOU got charmed by a kitsune?

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>>52972842
I agree, but I'm not one for optimizing all that much and my GM knows it. I just want to play a derp bird that can divebomb and kick the hell out of people. I get your point, though, and I'm fine if he rejects it.

>>52972741
Don't you dare judge me

In all seriousness, I'd not really considered that. He's said no to the majority of third-party stuff before, so I guess I just ruled it out to ask.

>>52972805
where's this from

>>52973010
Yup, that is generally the whole idea of the setting. Like a 'welcome to the far east' type setting, but instead of knights and wizards lost with samurai and ninja, its samurai and wizards lost with soldiers and space aces. But you will be allowed to play the new classes that come out too if you want.

>>52973036
Never, I've been charmed exclusively by bards and nagas. It happened so frequently despite a good will save that it became a running joke.

>>52973036
Never.

>>52973046
Tales of Zestria maybe

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>>52973036

When I saw their alternative racial options.

>>52967210
Edge lord harbinger // shadow aspirant avowed.

Teleport before and after every attack, use quick draw katanas, have a bunch of vaguely related powers, shadow tentacles, etc.

I want to find a game where I can play this character as an isekai high school student with a cheat power

>>52972856
>I'll give him something better than money!
A-anon! Do you possibly mean your offshore bank accounts!?

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>>52972801
>not getting a job working for a company that sells tabletop gaming and tabletop gaming accessories
>mfw I did that and got a nice raise over my last job and it's pretty great

>>52973019
I stand above nobody, I am simply fortunate enough to not be subjected to the same things they are, at this point in time.

>>52972441
For the man under the mask
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C20CjvnrR-U

>>52973070
>>52973046
Berseria actually, one of the later scenes in the game

Its actually very sad.

>>52973151
Sadness should be b&

>>52973158
I could spoil it, but it'd only really make sense to people that know how the Zestiria/Berseria world works.

>>52973207
Sadness should be banned from reality.

>>52973014
Already did, silly!

>>52973101
I want him to shove his fat, meaty stocks and bonds into my tight portfolio while he plays with my market projections

>>52973213
Velvet is so infused with malevolence at this point as the first Lord of Calamity that for Phi to even touch her, he risks being corrupted. Despite that, their big sister/little brother bond is so strong that he still wants to comb her 'beautiful hair', with a comb, there's a lot of backstory to this happening, but its basically the last moment of rest for these characters before the endgame.

>>52972835
How many daddies actually got into /pfg/ games? Was this meme more than just smoke and mirrors?
Post the roster!

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>>52973049
>>52973010
Tfw will never play a qt lizard boy from the past in space bullied by even ratfolk

>>52973271
STOP

>>52972389
>Voice only
No.

>>52973279
Sigmund, Casimir, and that's about it.

>>52973312
I think Rory was pushing to get called a daddy for a while, but nobody indulged him except for Aurora

>>52973332
Nah, that didn't occur, unless it was a joke. The daddy memes for Dragons 2 were more for Ulfric

>>52973304
>>voice or text
anon

>>52973350
Suddenly it's text only...

>>52973357
Pretty sure the description said voice or text long ago is what he means though.

>>52973348
Which baffles me to no end, since he was defined mainly by being an immature wanna-be banchou.

>>52973284
>tfw I played a game of Stellaris as a tribe of kobolds on Golarion that found FTL ships in Numeria and blasted off

For people who want Starfinder stuff, this page has a link to a group demoing the Starfinder ship combat:

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljqr?Starship-CombatI-Am-a-Leaf-on-the-Wind

It seems a bit like Star Wars Saga space combat, which is cool.

>>52970766
Barbarian-Monk, eh? I have an idea...

>>52973381
How come everyone gets to enjoy cute things but in space, but I am too busy to join a new cool game.

>>52973395
I want to play a Chelish fighter pilot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

>>52973219
What did you ask him to do?
Did you ask that hunky blond to carry you off on a white horse, or were you asking the other one to put that stupidly enormous tail to use?

Reminder that

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/75981/raining-oil-and-blood

Is recruiting if you're looking for an out there game.

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>>52973474
Follow your dreams, /pfg/. You won't get anywhere until you

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I got to admit, part of me is tempted to play a Dragon in Starfinder now.

How'd I justify a Dragon starting at level 1 besides playing as a young Drake?

>>52973584
Play one of those shitty dragon companion archetypes in that one book.

Except roleplay as though you're the dragon and the PC race is the companion.

>>52973576
Best part is, they're both completely open to it. It's not even a matter of being thirsty (though I suspect they're also that), they are genuinely fun people to talk to.

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So guys, tell me about being a healer in SoP? What are the best talents and things to take as a healer?

>>52973725
Revitalize.

>>52973379
It's because the art was of a shirtless buff dragonman. And Rory's art was of a shirtless buff man.

>>52973725
Take a whip
Take Clarifying Strike
Whip your allies to health.

>>52973584
>besides playing as a young Drake

That's literally the whole justification.

See DSP's Monster Classes: True Dragon for a version of this with stats.

>>52973622
Note that as written those kind of suck. If you want to do this, use N. Jolly's Draconic Avenger archetype for the vigilante - https://archive.4plebs.org/dl/tg/image/1488/34/1488340605142.pdf

It's basically written to counteract the worst of the shittyness of drakes.

Also note that despite it being for Vigilante, you can also add the Exposed archetype from Legendary Vigilantes to be a Vigilante with only a single identity.

>>52973279
Dicky Daddies are done and dead.

>>52973776
>See DSP's Monster Classes: True Dragon for a version of this with stats.
DSP monster classes are broken to high heaven. A succubus is worth a gestalt and possibly more on her own.

>>52973764
This is kind of hilarious.

>>52973796
What is Dad may never die

>>52973796
Daddy was never an actual meta. It was a bubble propped up by anons trying to bait people into making flat characters.

Remember when Hell's Vengeance was recruiting the second time around, and there was a giant false flag? The "we need Chelish muscle men" shit? Yeah, that sure turned out great, didn't it?

It's the same bullshit. DAD is a toxic stock.

>>52973584
Join >>52972389 and maybe play as a wizard's familiar. Maybe you can get a magic dragon space suit and fly alongside their ethership

>>52973776
You can play as the familiar of a wizard who takes 'dragon familiar' as a feat from 3.5. A lot of GMs still allow that.

>>52973798
True Dragon seems fine to me. It's ultimately pretty similar to that Taninim one that people like.

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>>52973915
Taninim is shit.

>X/day dragon breaths

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>>52973949
What did he mean by this?

>>52973725
Greater Healing if you just want to heal more. The different talents for more statuses if you want to fix weird shit (and also heal a bit more)

Path of War question, specifically about Stalkers.

Is there any reason to take the Deadly Insight stalker art, given that it's exactly the same as the ability they gain at 5th level under their Ki Pool powers? I'm looking at the d20pfsrd and just want to be sure it's not a weird typo, though they also did the same thing with a Brutal Slayer talent.

>>https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4979606/character-app

I want to pet the catgirl

>>52974247
spl@ the c@

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>Shang gou
>6 gp
>1d4
>×2, 1 lb., Slashing
>disarm or trip (see text), monk
>Benefit: Both the crescent and the tip of the hilt are sharpened for combat. They can be wielded as single weapons or with two-weapon fighting styles. The weapons gain the disarm special weapon feature when used individually. A pair of shang gou can also be formed into a single one-handed weapon to gain the trip special feature.

Is it just me, or do hookswords seem too weak? I feel like they should do more damage than a dagger, and probably should go under exotic weapons.

>>52972420
I'm currently playing a kobold wilder with a Raging surge whose main thing is having an absurd strength store and using Strength Surge to smash stuff with break checks.

>>52973725
Aliteration vitality talent and mass alteration.

>>52974329
I'm wondering why would they lose weapon qualities when used in pairs?

>>52974361
>Alliteration vitality talent
How does wordplay help?

>>52974391
Just another thing wrong with how they're statted.

>>52974329
They are monk weapons for disarm and trip. Monk unarmed progression is more powerful than their damage, so you use them for their special abilities, along with making them out of materials.

>>52974391
Probably just flavor, but maybe so you can't dualwield trip attempts for a ton of trips.

>>52974020
Fucking this. If I want to play a dragon I want actual dragon abilities, like a reasonable amount of sorcerer/oracle casting and a breath weapon that doesn't have a bizarre use limit.

>>52974329
>Shang gou
Literally motherfucking triggered it's Shuang Gou and even Google Translate could tell you this

>>52974431
just petition to be a dragon then. You probably won't be able to be a sick-ass red or gold or even the cool imperial dragon, but maybe a brass or blue dragon wyrmling as a familiar.

You won't gain levels normally, but you will get powerful through age and how much swag you can pack into your very own dragon lair.

>>52974490
And a nipnong chipchong to you.

>>52974414
I understand that they're monk weapons, but they would be an interesting choice for non-monks if they weren't so weak.

>>52974431
Idea for a breath weapon without a uses/day thing: have a breath weapon daily damage pool, equal to twice your character level. You can spend up to your character level of breath weapon points per use of the ability, and it does 1d(something) damage for every point you use. That would still limit it, but give you an option between multiple weaker uses, or a few massive bursts. Maybe tie range to how many points are spent too, like 5-10 feet a point.

>>52974490
I literally copy pasted off the D20SRD. Thank you for pointing out yet another problem with their rendition.

>>52974503
Yeah and if it is a reasonably high level campaign you can probably get to young adult or adult too. Once I was playing as a familiar blue dragon but the campaign got really convoluted in a good way. The wizard got old, I became an adult dragon, and since it was already dealing with time portals, when the wizard became a lich, I did that dracolich thing too. It was very cool. After that the GM used us as enemies in another campaign with the lairs the two of us designed.

>>52974509
It's akin to having a sword called a Sweihander, except even worse because in Chinese there is no such thing as misspelling a word so in theory people would have no way of knowing, out of context, what you actually meant. The most common form of Shang Gou is 上鉤, which means "to get baited / caught" (as angling but also as in literal bait or traps), literally "to be upon the hook", which is entirely different from Shuang Gou 双鉤 which means "Paired Hooks" or "Pair Hooks".

>>52974525
well, for example as a ninja or rogue you could probably dualwield them for intense tripping and disarming and sneak attack dice.

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REIGN OF WINTER GAME FINISHED GUYS I'M SO HYPE YOU'RE GONNA GET GREENTEXTS OF IT

Our cast and crew
>Tiefling Medic//Psyarm (the only woman)
>Half-orc Warder//Tactician
>Orc (mechanically half-orc) Slayer//Stalker (Vigilante)
>Half-giant Brutal Slayer//UnMonk

>They leave Heldren and resolve to go south, where it gets cold as heck!
>They get to the ambush site, and start investigating the caravan!
>Everyone is dead
>The tiefling is shell-shocked but quickly gets over it
>The orc inspects one cart and finds clothes.
>The half-giant and half-orc inspect a frozen man who is dead as heck!
>After figuring out that everyone is dead, they hear noises coming from one cart, which has been sealed to block out intruders
>They all gather round the carriage
>when suddenly, ZOMBIES pop out of it.
>Roll for initiative!
>The resident orc has quick reflexes
>Scything Strike
>It's a crit!
>44 damage to both zombies
>who only have 12 hp
>Bisection happens
>They inspect the closed caravan and find a box of stuff!
>The sun is starting to set, and they haven't inspected the snowy trail
>The orc breaks apart the caravan and makes trail markers, marking a route
>they get to a clearing, with a half-buried chest in the middle of it
>The orc fails a perception check to notice it's trapped, and ends up getting hit by a swinging log trap!
>1d8+3 damage, but it's a crit! So that becomes 2d8+6 for a total of 12 hp
>(GM Note: I have a rule for HP, double max hp at first level, mind you)
>The orc is knocked down to 1/2 health, and thrown a dozen feet back
>After making sure he isn't kill, they check around some more, and after being gently nudged OOC they find the cache of weapons!
>They opt to take the weapons, and head on back to Heldren, before things get too dark
>They settle into the Silver Stoat and are then served by a tall Shoanti lady who is both Server and Bouncer

End session! It was fun! I like GMing this group! I cannot WAIT for next Saturday!

>>52974583
They can already use them and do that, would changing d4 to d6 break things so horribly?

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>>52974591

Glad to hear everyone enjoyed themselves!

>>52974610
They are light weapons which means no penalties from dualwielding them. As light weapons instead of one-handed weapons. Honestly it seems alright to me, but maybe other people would like it more.

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>>52974591
Would you say those undead were dearly parted departed?

>>52974718
IMO, they'd be balanced at D6 damage if they were changed from martial to exotic, even as light weapons.

>>52973800
I think you're suppose to use it with the do-damage talent, or that weird one that gives negative levels to undead.

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>>52974750

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>>52974567
>The most common form of Shang Gou is 上鉤, which means "to get baited / caught" (as angling but also as in literal bait or traps), literally "to be upon the hook",
looks like you took Paizo's b8

>>52974718
Well light weapons still eat -2 for twf.

>>52974780
if they were exotic then a d6 would be fine.

>>52973725
As noted: Life with Revitalize, and a few levels of Greater Healing. Mass Heal and Ranged Heal also work. The life handbook is in playtesting, though a lot of it is not about healing as much as combine healing with other things, like turning your piss into medicine.

I asked this last night, but I fell asleep before I had the chance to check if anyone answered.

My group consists of a monk, a ranger, a bard, a witch, and myself. The ranger and the bard are both investing heavily in charisma.

What sort of character would you make to round a group like this out? I should have some flexibility here, right?

>>52974832
yeah but not -4/-2 or anything else.

>>52974844
Try a barbarian. It will bring a little more muscle to the group. Make him a weightlifter glorious type of dude.

>>52974844
>ranger
>charisma
What

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>>52974844
>The ranger
>Charisma
Is James Jacobs one of your party members?
Also, what forms of combat are the Monk, Ranger, and Bard kitted for? Is it a Core or Unchained Monk?
What books and rules do you have available to you?
What kind of adventure is it?

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>>52974813
I'm just saying, they weren't half as effective as that log trap...

>>52974844
Your party seems alright but your frontline might be a bit weak with just a monk there. Barbarian would probably be good.

>>52974881
M-maybe its that one Red Sonja bard?

>>52974844
Barbarian. Show that pitiful monk who the real warrior class is.

Either that, or a Magus or Inquisitor

Tell me out about your re-skins /pfg/!

>>52974959
>>Show that monk who the warrior class is
>>Not being bros with your monk and lifting together
>>Not hurling him at giant enemies to fat-fist them while you chop.

>>52974875
I tend to get bored of barbarians and fighters really easily, but I was thinking of a spiritualist with the exciter archetype, which to my knowledge is pretty similar? I'll have to read more about it but everything I've seen so far seems interesting.

>>52974881
He likes bluff and diplomacy a lot.

>>52974903
I have no idea about the monk. The ranger is using the witchguard archetype and seems to be built around flanking? I don't remember much about the bard, but nothing really stood out as unique. Seemed like a typical support build to me.

All first party stuff is fine. Third party is available at the DM's discretion but I'd like to avoid it.

I have no idea what kind of adventure it is. We're all in the dark.

>>52974915
>>52974959
That's 3 for barbarian, holy moly.

I thought /pfg/ didn't think Magus was any good. Inquisitor seems interesting, but I've never played one or been grouped with one so I don't know much about it.

>>52974844
Do an invulnerable rager barbarian and focus on getting your strength impossibly high. Be Biggs McHuge

>>52975037
If you get bored of them you need to think of ways to make the characters themselves interesting. Barbarian has too many combat things in rage powers that are hilariously amusing for being a strongman class.
>>Body Bludgeon
>>Hurling
>>Raging Dragon Wings
>>Pounce and leaps
not to mention doing what fighters do with more damage in general.

as for magus, magus is not that bad but its just very MAD and you wont be able to perform as well as the monk if he is a wisdombased monk.

You could also try sword saint samurai. Those are fun.

>>52974844
>worse than useless, worst kind of players, 5thwheel, and worse!wizard.

Quite the group you have there. With a composition like that, I can really only recommend either cavalier or kineticist to complete the set.

>>52975104
What's wrong with Ranger players? I've never played with one for long.

>>52975104
>worst kind of players,
>ranger
What?

>>52975095
What about the superstitious tree? Become immune to magic and destroy magic with your axe. If a there is a magic barrier, chop the barrier to dispel.

>>52975005
>Not being bros with your monk and lifting together
>monk
>lift
I mean... If you're fine with tiny weights and everything being leg day.

2hu, is there way for you to be less autistic?
Reading your stuff gives me the impression of Microsoft Sam with his horrendously monotone voice.

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>>52975151
>>Not wanting to lift with a /tone/ monk girl

>>52975139
I saw that happen with a prismatic barrier once.

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>>52975037
>Inquisitor seems interesting, but I've never played one or been grouped with one so I don't know much about it.
Inquisitor is kinda like the Bard or Alchemist, it has numerous options to specialize in different fields based on what you wanna build ofr and what choices you want.

Its a Wis based Spont caster, whose spell list contains mostly utility, self-buffs, and some offenseive options.

Its abilities tend to revolve around either applying Wis to different skill checks, utilizing Teamwork Feats on themselves, and stacking Judgement and Bane for goodly damage. Archetypes exist to trade these things around and make them play differently. Further, you can also affect your main focus based on either what Domain or Inquisition you choose. You also gain abilities for SLA alignment detection, interrogation, perception, sensing, and late can SLA a Zone of Truth, meaning its an excellent class both Combat and Intrigue games.

Also, its one of the few classes that gets Handcrossbow Proficiency for free. Which is pointless but still kinda cool anyway.

Honestly, its one of my favorite classes of all time.

>>52975197
The funny thing is that you can simply ignore the call, reducing the Holy Order to being what it actually is - annoying but ultimately ineffectual.

>>52974431
So use DSP's Monster Classes: True Dragon, which is basically just a Savage Species-style treatment of the dragon monster entries.

>>52975229
I mean, you can. You can also get shot and have your remains converted into a zombie slave robot.

>>52975164
Stop using the 5e homebrewery to make shit.

>>52975163
Talk to 2hu yourself.

>>52975229
>ignore the call,
Do you want Exterminatus?
Because this is how you get Exterminatus. Or at minimum some witch-hunters knocking down your door

>>52975174
>>Playing as a superstitious barbarian.
>>Party witchdoctor wears wooden totem mask. Respectful.
>>Ranger knows about wilderness and hunts food so you can keep up your gains.
>>Monk and you pal around and see who can throw rocks further

>>enemy wizard comes to play.
>>Just an old man in pajamas to you.
>>Shouts 'HOLD PERSON' at you, but you just laugh. Only spirits can let people use magic. Not silly WORDS
>>You walk up to him and he suddenly jumps up like he is trying to fly away.
>>Hold his foot and smash him into the ground. Don't look into his eyes because grandpa told you wizards can steal your spirit that way

>>Silly wizard, magic tricks are for druids

>>52975259
There's a PF one? I only just found it at all, I figured it only had 5e style.

>>52975357
>There's a PF one?
Negatory.

>>52975298
>Witchdoctors with wooden totem masks

I still have zero idea how the holy fuck Blizzard got away with that.

>>52975245
It's also not great. Mostly just throws lots of ability score bonuses at you and has really anemic casting progression- you get like 5th level sorcerer casting by CR 20. I probably wouldn't expect the 17th level casting a CR 20 Red gets, but being 12 damn levels behind a real dragon is pathetic.

What are some creative uses for the stealth skill? Or not creative uses. Any uses, really.

I have a massive stealth score and I have no idea what to do with it.

How does one make elves and elven society an exciting thing for a campaign to explore?

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>>52975292
what are witch hunters???

>>52975441
sneak around

>>52975419
What do you mean by that? Don't witchdoctors usually wear wooden totem masks. I know the scarred witchdoctor in pathfinder does.

>>52975131
>>52975130
I have never once had a nature casting class in a game I ran, played in, or observed, that wasn't cancer. But by far, Rangers tend to be worst, because they take everything reoccuringly bad about druid players, and everything reoccuringly bad about rogue players, and mesh them together. So it's just muh dark and edgy loner sneakums who hates everyone with the insult to injury of "PETA muh cute animals no we can't kill the bear that's trying to eat us in fact, I wanna be its friend hold up lemme try and cuddle with it and read it bedtime stories like the last 9 hungry wild animals that that didn't work on, also we should release our horses into the wild"

Hasn't helped that most have been girlfriends of others at the table, meaning they had somebody to defend their behavior, even if it means no one's having fun because of the constant hindrances and we spend 2 hours arguing over the fate of a chicken we were payed by a local.

>>52975453
Be careful not to make a sound!

>>52975419
I'm unsure what you're trying to imply

>>52975441
You can hide under the barbarian's coat.

>>52975458
That is actually weird. Typically when I have druid players, they don't care about eating animals or killing animals. They care about the natural world. Eating logger's heads, using tree magic to break walls of cities growing too close to the forest, Domesticated animals being the affront to nature most severe. Its usually cool and technically fits druid alignments.

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>>52975419
I mean it's a thing tribal societies wear for festivals and rituals and shit.

>>52975419
Are you confused, anon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_doctor

>>52975518
Yeah tribal druid spirit walker characters are usually cool.

Has anyone managed to successfully play a blight druid yet?

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>>52975450
Okay gents, how would yo stat the worlds most beloved ball of cancer and chaos?

>>52975419

Funny thing is, I actually heard a story about the design process for the D3 classes from a former employee-particularly the Witch Doctor.

He told me OOH EEH OOH AH AH TING TANG WALLA WALLA BING BANG.

>>52975569
They make good mushroom themed druids.

>>52975594
Hey now. Don't knock witchdoctor characters. Jars of spiders and eyes, and shrunken heads on strings are great.

>>52972294
Thankfully my DM has never hit my character up with any kind of mind control because that is my fetish.

>>52975591
Doesn't she have ridiculous powers but like 3 INT or something? Give her Hastur tier abilties but make her CE, as in, too fucking stupid to know what she's doing.

>>52975619
>mushroom themed druids

That's what I wanted to do, but I was worried about miasma making everyone else at the table hate me.

>>52975647
Fungal Pilgrim is here for all your mycoid needs friend!

>>52975458
>"PETA muh cute animals no we can't kill the bear that's trying to eat us in fact, I wanna be its friend hold up lemme try and cuddle with it and read it bedtime stories like the last 9 hungry wild animals that that didn't work on, also we should release our horses into the wild"
I hate this. I utterly hate this. Especially since its clear these types of people don't know a single lick about nature management, conservation, ecology, or anything really.

Also, people suggesting to release horses in the wild triggers me immensely as a wildlife biologist. STOP TRYING TO SPEED UP THE CRASH OF OUR PRAIRIE ECOSYSTEMS YOU RETARDEDS! DON'T YOU KNOW THAT SHIT GETS INVASIVE!

>>52975647
Just bring soap and stay a square away from your group.

>>52975669
Most bleeding hearts don't actually know what they're talking about, it tends to boil down to 'but it makes me feel good uguu'. Basically they're Stupid Good.

>>52975669
Thats why I like the 'domestic animals are horrible' approach to druidry. They are not wild, and are the paragon of what is wrong with humanity encroaching on nature.

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>>52975693

>Druid gets treed by a most foul and unnatural creature

>>52975164
Huh, I really like this class.

>>52975790
>treed

>>52975663
Fungal what?

>>52975877
Fungal Pilgrim. From Heroes of the Darklands.

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So how does one play as a power ranger style transforming robot/golem guy?
Havent touched pf outside of the beginners handbook but our gm is open to anything.
I can refluff abilities as required but if theres something straight out of a book our gm will be less likely to reject it

Is Strange Aeons any good?

>>52975876
I think it's like when a cat gets chased up a tree?
I think it's only something that weebs and furries have actually tried to make into a verb, though.

>>52975883
Why can't I find any resources on this? Is it new?

>>52975889
Magical Child Vigilante I guess?

>>52975889
Synthesist Summoner is the closest 1pp thing you can get.

>>52975891
It is actually very fun. You would be surprised.

>>52975891
I hear a lot of people don't like it but just from flipping through it I think it's got potential to be fun.

Even as a GM I'm not too fond of the 'GM writes your backstory' thing though.

>>52975693
There is Urban druids though. Ones that look upon built up areas as their own unique environment just like a forest or jungle.

Certainly no less wild in many cases.

>>52975889
Well you have some options.

There's the Synthesist Summoner which is made by Paizo.

Vigilante is also aight.

In the third-party realms though, Gonzo 2 has the Henshin Hero, which is straight up meant to be that type of character.

>>52975918
It is very new. Should still be on the archive. It was a few days ago right before Bestiary 6

>>52975918
Yeah it's from Heroes of the Darklands. Check the archives.

>>52975889
There's a class in Gonzo 2 specifically for this.

>>52975935
Yeah but they would easily have a different mentality than a druid in a deep jungle.

Imagine a ratman in the sewers or squirrelgirl of central park

>>52975889
HENSHIN HEROOOOOO

>>52975909

Exactly.

Also used by old people who deal with animals that can climb up trees.

>>52974247
>>52974272
>>https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4979606/character-app
>>I want to pet the catgirl

do you. Do you really want to pet a catgirl like that. What if she has claws.

>>52975889
If you can use third party material, use the Aegis class, from Ultimate Psionics and with a bunch of supplemental material in other Dreamscarred Press books (most of which is also on d20pfsrd.com by now).

Basically, you summon a suit of armor (which can range from Power Rangers spandex to full plate armor) which has special abilities included, which can range from punch powers all the way up to spellcasting-lite and a barbarian rage overclock mode.

Also, at mid/high levels, you can make the armor Large/Huge size for your giant robot summoning, and there's an X/day ability to swap around your armor's abilities for your mid-combat mode switches.

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>>52975964
Pic related is my only mental picture of Urban Druids

>>52975992
The danger just adds to the excitement Anon.

>>52976017
>Of course they'll come back, they're birds, I trust them. I understand them, it's people I don't understand. You see, Arnold, it's time for me to leave here. Some people are meant to be with people. And others, like me, are just... different.

>Don't you see? I have a mission to help pigeons everywhere. Wherever there's a bird in need of seed, I'll be there. Wherever there's a helpless flock suffering some abuse, I'll be there. Wherever there's a pigeon with a weak wing or broken beak, I'll be there.

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>>52975992

Nah, s'alright.

>>52975909
>>52975876
Are you an idiot? It's a hunting term. Hounds chase and tree an animal like a racoon or squirrel or a minority and keep it there until you get there and shoot it when it has nowhere to run. I dunno what this weeb nonsense you're spouting is, it's a legitimate verb and has been for a long long time.

>>52976000
>>52975889
Also, a quick primer on psionics (as Aegis is a psionic class), if you're unfamiliar with it:

- Psionic powers work like spells, except 1) they run off a mana pool ("power points") which is totaled up among all your classes, 2) you get less of them than spells, and 3) you can spend extra PP on them to get more effects, as detailed in each power

- You can only spend a maximum of (your manifester level) on each use of a psionic power or ability

- Psionics and magic treat each other transparently, e.g., anything that affects caster level also affects manifester level, dispel psionics also dispels magic, you use Spellcraft for both, etc

- Psionics thematically comes from internal power rather than external/planar power like most spellcasters, so there are a lot of self-affecting powers (including relatively easy access to basic healing) and a lot of utility self-buffs, but few lasting area/external powers

>>52976148
>weeb
Literally wtf

>>52975926
>>52975932
Good stuff mates, cheers.
Yeah, the GM writes your backstory is a bit of a dick move, but this could be alleviated some if the GM works with the player.

>>52976216
With a bit of messing around, some psionic classes make good jedi

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I just figured, you know how th LotLK has a sizable Tian Population? I just figured who could be easily inserted in as a Tian Viking with little change

Who all is willing to fight the viking raiding party of the Mad Dog of Kalsguard?

>>52976113
>>52976025
>>52975992

Tfw will never adventure with an asian catgirl and have her provide food in exchange for pets behind the ears and language lessons.

>>52976224
>I think it's only something that ~~weebs~~ and furries have actually tried to make into a verb, though.
Read what I'm replying to

>>52976297
Augmented blade war soul soulknife with the Wis-to-attack/AC blade skills works pretty well for a Jedi.

In a game with technology, is computer use equivalent to knowing a language, or what? and what about Hacking?

>>52976353
Don't start this "soulknives make good jedi" bullshit again. They don't.


If you want to be a jedi, Psychic Warrior is what you want.

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>>52975569
I have.
Samsaran, death domain. Sought to rectify all those who would defy the holy cycle of life, death, and rebirth.
As things got more desperate, he rationalized fighting fire with fire under the caveat that his undead creations were made from animal corpses, thus only tying up the physical side of the cycle because no soul was involved, and were only temporary anathema, while those he used them to take down were more permanent atrocities to the natural order.
This, too, slowly crept into becoming "the end justifies the means", at which point he decided that while his lifespan was limited, there would always be violators of nature's reincarnation, so the true final solution is not to fight undeath with undeath, but to become undeath, at which point he began the path of an Agent of the Grave, and eventually attained lichdom, sacrificing his continued Samsaran lineage to carry out this necessary evil.

Had a skeletal hydra at one point, in addition to an army of bloody-skeleton dogs that acted as mass aid another bots, that I kept in a bag of holding. Did you know if you turn one inside out it drops all its contents at once? And that bloody skeletons have fast healing and even if they permanently die they come back an hour later at 1 hp, at which point the fast healing kicks in again? They're basically always at max HP, and "summon" in with a move action. It was great.

So if you ever see a pale-skinned figure with pupilless eyes and sunken, almost skeletal features wearing a black cloak, carrying a scythe and a sack, you know the time of your death has come.

So Bestiary 6 continues the trend of nearly all of the Empyreal Lords are retards compared to their evil and GOO counterparts.

>>52976248
If I ever run it as a /pfg/ game (Albeit with some edits to make it more enjoyable) I'd do that. Have the players write the backstory but add your own little darker touches for what they did under Lowl's control.

>>52976400
Yeah but did miasma make your group hate you?

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>game in a world totally blanketed in an antimagic field
>if it wouldn't work in an antimagic field, it doesn't work here
>but great monsters and epic heroes can break the laws of physics with their EXTRAORDINARY ABILITIES alone!

>all Paizo, all DSP, all Jolly, Spheres of Might, Gonzo 1, Gonzo 2
>automatic bonus progression at +2 levels
>background skills

Would /pfg/ play in it?

>>52976306
>I just figured who could be easily inserted in as a Tian Viking with little change

The fly in the pudding of this plan is the fact that the Tien population in LotLK are... Kind of racist and xenophobic - the kind of racist and xenophobic that would kick out a daughter for daring to date an Ulfen man, or quietly disown a Tien man who embraces the native lifestyle.

>>52976378
>Psychic Warrior

That class is really boring.

>>52976457
PoW would wreck everything.

>>52976466
>or quietly disown a Tien man who embraces the native lifestyle.
>Implying that would stop a Majima type character at all from jumping on the first boat he can to get his murder wet.

>>52976513
It's a little better since Su disciplines still wouldn't work. Not much, but a little.

>>52976457
>all DSP
You mean like 3-4 PoW disciplines, since most of them are SU.

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In anticipation of the anon posting that high-level campaign through the Abyss next week, I've set out to figure out some names and titles for my character. Problem is, I'm having trouble coming up with some that sound particularly good.

Do you think an undead being (here's to hoping the DM allows the Ghoul class) whose rise to fame and infamy was being the bane of kingdoms could have the title, Cleaver of Crowns?

Mechanical notes: The character himself is supposed to be a Warder 12 / Landsknecht 4 || Ghoul 2 / Oracle (Apocalypse) 14 with the Forgotten curse, meaning Titles are incredibly important since those are the only things people remember him by.

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>>52976513
>>52976536
>Broken Blade
>Primal Fury
>Scarlet Throne

Time to wreck everything.

>>52976566
>Fool's Errand
>(Ex) flight

>>52976549
have the title "titty destroyer"

What I wanna know is, where are my survival-of-the-fittest live-for-the-hunt Garruk druids at?

>>52976418
>Good is more retarded than Evil and literally above morality
Color me surprised

>>52976359
there are rules for this. check the srd.

>>52976378
You know what would make a really goddamn good Jedi?

Using N. Jolly's stuff and making a Kinetic Blade-focused True Psychic! Aether and Mind are basically the two perfect elements for a Jedi to use- use Telekinetic Blast and Kinetic Blade together and you've got a lightsaber. You can use the Mind sphere to Jedi mindtrick people, you can leap incredible distances and have fine manipulation with telekinesis, and you're also tough as hell too!

>>52976591
Looking for their daily feast

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>>52975889
Thanks for all the feedback so far, I'll have a lot of reading to do but it looks like I'm on the right path! thanks /tg/.

>>52976622
A PRREDATOR ON THE VERGE OF DEATH

>>52976359
Yeah it was written for that one adventure path in numeria

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>>52976638
CLOSE TO ITS LAST BREATH

>>52976619
I can't seem to find anything about a 'True Psychic'. Of course I don't do much psionics.

Is anyone actually excited for starfinder

>>52976488
So are Jedi.

>>52976619
>Kinetic Blade-focused True Psychic! Aether and Mind are basically the two perfect elements for a Jedi to use- use Telekinetic Blast and Kinetic Blade together and you've got a lightsaber
No you don't because a lighsaber is an actual object and not something you pull out of your assshole like a Soulknife or Someone using Kinetic blade does.

>>52976448
Not many undead get nauseated, anon.
And nobody else was typically ever adjacent to me.

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>>52976686

Yeah.

>>52976686

I am unironically excited for Starfinder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4zZqkWSQhQ

>>52976609
Oh. Thanks.

>>52976448
You're a caster, where do you expect to be standing that people can't be an additional 5 ft away?

>>52975949
>>52975935
Where does one obtain this Gonzo2? I want to have a flip through it, and will most likely buy a copy because hardcopy is always great.
I'm sure i'll need to point at it a few times as the GM freaks out.

>>52976457
That sounds like it would be a little bit boring unless you had EX ways of reasonable healing.

Also it sounds like "play path of war class or die" sort of campaign.

>>52976665
GETTING CLOSE TO ITS LAST BREA-A-A-A-A-ATH

Lightsabers aren't class features, they're just Corrosive Flaming longswords fluffed differently.

>>52976726
in melee range as a giant bear using miasma to nauseate my enemies

>>52976466
You know what other place has a high Tien population.

Kaer Maga.

>>52976668
Psionics isn't even remotely related to the Kineticist. Lemme hit you with a link to the Mind element and the True Psychic archetype

The Neurokineticist
http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/neurokineticist#toc1
The True Psychic Kineticist
http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/true-psychic

>>52976700
We have to make some concessions for the game, anon. You also have to have an actual object to focus your Telekinetic Blast through with the Kinetic Blade, if you're going that route, while a Soulknife just straight up makes a blade.

>>52976741
Plasma blades/laser swords already have stats.

>>52976750

Nobody cares about Kaer Maga.

>>52976457
Does Technology still work? If so, I've basically been thinking on that exact game, only in a post-apocalyptic setting.

Basically a Fallout Westmarches, but alien races have started to colonize because they thought it was no longer inhabited, which is where Elves and Gnomes and stuff have come from.

>>52976686
Apparently a few people since there is a pathfinder game set to transition to starfinder when it comes out.

>>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/76041/mighty-quest-for-epic-loot-in-the-lair-of-the-kobold-queen

I for one am only sort of interested in seeing what the planets of the solar system changed into after their last descriptions in the Distant Worlds book.

>>52976771
Technology works in an AMF.

>>52976764
>Psionics isn't even remotely related to the Kineticist
>Psionics specializing in Psycho-Kineticist have been called kineticist since before occult adventures was a twinkle in some fuckers eye.

>>52976768
I do

>>52976457
Only if it's gestalt.

>>52976796
I'm referring to the goddamn Kineticist class and its mechanics, you shit-eating, cocksucking mongoloid faggot. The Kineticist's Mechanics have nothing to do with Psionics.

>>52976771
I did something VERY similar on two occasions. One was a Mad Max style world where there were cars and stuff. (The driver was a custom robot race that became self aware, an orc roadboi type character looking for people to join his 'flesh circus' a ratfolk mechanic cleric worshiping the spirit of the machines and engines, and a human wizard who was trying to do some dark stuff.) It was a SUPER interesting and fun campaign.

The other time was a waterworld type setting. Imagine the movie with kevin, but with fantasy stuff like poseidon and atlantis and elves and shit.

>>52976686
Very yes. If nothing else because if you change the kind of ship and the substance you're riding on, Spelljammer type games, and like a One Piece style archipelago game is nearly identical. So I can cannibalize stuff from it.

>>52976686
Only so I can port back power armor and tech weapons pack to PF.

>>52976727
I think we got it in the trove?Linked in the pastebin

If not...

http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/

The guy who runs this wiki decided to stop making it just Spheres of Power, and has a bunch of other random 3pp on it now, among which is Gonzo 1 and 2.

http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/henshin-hero

>>52976766
Who cares, either way that's what lightsabers function as.

>>52976869
Arent power armor and tech weapons already in? I remember seeing several cool power armor tech items under the technology section of the psfrd

>>52976766
oh damn plasma blades are cool

>>52976896
Tech weapons that aren't pure fucking ass.

And the only power armor in the game is a fucking artifact level.

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What do you think of the Mapinguari, and what is the best way to get out of it's swamp?

>>52976741
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/EquipmentTechWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Plasma%20blade

literally a lightsaber.

>>52976768
I do! I'm running a game there, using the modules set there as little pieces of it. It's been fun so far!

is there gonna be a /sfg/ when starfinder comes out or are we gonna have to talk about it in these threads

>>52976968
I think its particularly jungly, and the best way to leave would likely end up in a body bag.

>>52977032
They are essentially the same game. I think it was discussed that we would combine them as the same threads.

>>52976749
>melee druids

>>52976894
Don't light sabers actually have some level of force connection though? That's why you need kyber crystals.
Heck, their predecessor, the Forcesaber didn't even contain any tech, it was just a crystal with a hilt, that you had to shunt a lot of your own energy through.

>>52977057
ugh

>>52977068
What you can do with a Plasma Blade to give it to a relatively early level character (since the base one is 12k gold.) is make them use psi points when they want to get touch attack to hit. Then you can give them the ability to craft one at maybe level 5.

>>52977068
I doubt that would have been used as more than a prototype, since the widely-used vibroblade was already functionally close to a lightsaber without having to pour your energy into it.

>>52977113
>>52977068
It even runs off charges which is a good addition if you ask me.

>>52977068
>>52977147
It was hardly used at all until the lightsaber was created, but it had a big battery pack. Before them were force katanas and sith alchemy swords.

But anyways as for pathfinder, the plasma blade could maybe be created around level 5 with the inclusion of their own sort of crystal which could act as the actual thing you enhance. Make it +1, flaming, whatever.

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>>52976731
RULES OF NATURE!

Sorry the post was late, was in the shower

>>52977068
I thought the only thing related to the Force with lightsabers was that you were likely to hurt yourself unless you had the kind of perception that having the Force gives you?

>>52977211
Yes. A non-Force user can use a lightsaber, they'll just probably accidentally kill themselves because using a lightsaber is really fuckin' hard.

>>52977259
Or just job to a storm trooper wielding a stun baton

>>52977211
Nah to create one you need to align the crystal in such a way that it creates a stable blade otherwise the first time you turn it on, it could explode. That is why force users are the ones who can make them, but anyone can use them if they learn.

Its also the reason kylo ren's lightsaber is so weird. He aligned his in a poor fashion but not so much that it exploded. When he first turned it on, the crystal cracked causing the crossguard beams to show up, and the beam itself to be unstable.

>>52977147
It was in wide use, actually. Of note, it was pre-old republic, ergo predated vibroswords too. Je'daii tech, made by the Rakata. And explicitly used dark side energy.

>>52977167
You're thinking of the protosabers that were developed after the Duinuogwuin Contention. Those are actual lightsabers. Forcesabers are not.