Horus Heresy General /hhg/

DAMMIT, I was about ten seconds too slow. I shall fashion myself a spider-shaped Pain Glove in penance.

Who is best Traitor Primarch?

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>>52968575
This thread now belongs to the XVIth

>>52968806
The Warmaster. HAIL!

First for White Scars best legion

>>52968930
Yep, totally first anon. You have failed the same as your legion failed to protect the Emperor but hey! At least you got to Terra

>>52968961
At least my Legion made it there, unlike some blue cunts

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>>52968806
Perty.

Only one that didn't get slapped like a bitch after Horus fucked everything up by trying to duel daddy.

>>52968930
Seriously though, Khan was the most level headed and mature of the primarchs.

Unlike Perturabo or Fulgrim, for example, who had no reason to turn beyond their childish petulance.

>>52969016
Iron warriors are one of the coolest legions with possibly the derpiest primarch. Just saying.

>>52969026
>Seriously though, Khan was the most level headed and mature of the primarchs.

That works until you realize that he ran off into the webway when he was needed most.

Post your army backgrounds and fluff, people. Got to be some people that aren't Loyalist Iron Warriors under Kyr Vahlen. I made some proper lore for Xander Treides that justifies the Warlord for my 40k Mech changing pretty much every game.

Archmagos who told his Biologis Covenant to dig in and set up their own fortified Forge System during the Heresy, as his fleet goes to Mars stripped of all non-combat personnel to fuck up some Traitors. He loaded his mind into his fleet's flagship cogitators, and downloads it into a new body whenever he needs to do shit. If he "dies", he's still cool, but he loses the data he had on the body, hence the "still losing Slay The Warlord" thing. However, as he is a pisspoor fighter, he dies a LOT, and his code degenerates a little every time. He's still entirely functional, but occasionally he'll do something completely off the wall for no apparent reason.

Eventually, he realizes this at the close of the Schism of Mars, and partitions the sections of his mind that are still functional off into the ship. Those are mostly the engineering, surgery and command sections as he kept those updated, but he loses all his memories, so he's a disembodied mind who controls his subordinates and uses their memories, but they gain his frankly insane capabilities and mental capacity. The raving madman who declared himself Damnatio Ad Gladium after the Heresy and led his Taghmata against the Dark Mechanicum during the Scouring, finally being killed by House Atrax storming Cyclotrathe is an ENTIRELY unrelated individual, and not at all his last body and thousands of years of memories without an actual mind as such driven by the last commands of the sentient Xander before his ascendance.

Still trying to decide whether to use the regular Archimandrite or the Inar Satarael rules for him. Mini I'm planning could easily be either.

>>52969016

Perty was proly the first one to fuck off after he got together in an emergency conference with "Infinite Dicks" Fulgrim, "Sack of Shit" Mortarion, and "I don't know what to do anymore" Abaddon. Then he spent the rest of the time building up his coffin planet because he knew Dorn would find him and try to rape him a thousand different ways before finally allowing him to die. Unfortunately, that still makes him the best traitor primarch all things considered.

>>52968882
Someone's a tad out of proportion.

>>52969026
Didn't Fulgrim only turn because he was possessed by a daemon?

>>52969128
cringe

>>52969082
The brain upload thing also means that every time he takes a new host, he changes his priorities a little due to having a long series of new perspectives on the situation. It means that the exact objective of the fleet varies like someone doing the same Fallout playthrough in bursts every few months - he has a decent idea of what he wants to actually do, but all the exact details and precise mission that's planning to do next tends to vary a bit.

>>52969128

you somehow misspelled /reddit/ with /tg/

>>52969073
citation?

>>52968882
He's like how I like me marines. With tiny heads and huge elbows.

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I brought my Ordinatus Ulator into the GW shop today because I had intended to set up a HH mega battle some time next month. Everyone was impressed at first when they saw the Ulator, but let me tell you, the moment an entire room goes completely silent when the Bass Cannon overpowered every conversation at once was the highlight of my day. I even allowed some peeps to play their own music from their phones, since the jack in the circuit was universal.

Of course, when you starts playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWw5YdW57Es
and perform the equivalent of aural shitposting directly at the man who wrote your favorite codex, well, that was a good time too.

>>52969082
Posted it a few weeks ago.

Loyalist Luna Wolves.

Made up mostly of Terrans who either fought on Terra during the final years of the unification wars, or fought in the Sol system immediately after unification. They remember the very brief period before Horus took command, and the slightly less brief period before Cythonian recruits swelled the Legion's number.

They were extremely against the late crusade warrior lodges so popular with the Cythonians due to their perception that the warrior lodges were a secret back door to rank and favor over merit and competence, something wholly against the early Luna Wolve's culture. Due to this resistance to falling into the fold, but also because they were a strong nucleus of veterans with immense capability, they were sent on a long term nomad-predation mission in the fringes of the galaxy to conquer and exterminate minor human and alien civilizations. The point was to attrit their number to a manageable size before Isstvaan. They didn't return on schedule and so were thought lost. When they did return, the heresy was in full swing.

>>52969191
Man, I bet than must have been awesome. I know sonic weaponry relies on both power (moar pressure) and frequency (for resonance), but what would be more powerful, loud music or meme music?

>>52969082
My dudes's fluff
The 101th chapter of the XVIII legion
The praetor is a veteran of the battle of the tempest galleries. He is told by Vulkan to go beyond the borders of the astronomican and see if there's anything of note, in this mission he will be allied with a few custodes, whose purpose is to keep anything deemed too dangerous for humanity and dictate the choice of the praetor in situations not covered by his orders. Istvaan III and V happend, he comes back, only to see an imperium destroyed by civil war, wants to investigate the fate of Vulkan where the custodes wants to return to terra, matter settled when they discover they have to go through the entire imperium and entire legions of traitors. They decide that they will destroy all traitors, or die trying some survive to finally make it to terra

what's a good combo using techpriest auxillia reductor and a magos? The fact the priest gets tankhunter piqued my interest. But you can only give him a grav imploder and grav gun, and the magos doesnt really have any good tank hunting guns.
Any ideas? was thinking magos+priest+4 servos with multimelta in a scouting macrocarid

>>52969541

How many times in your life will you get to say "I memed a space marine to death"

>>52969541
What about a combination of sonic and plasma...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K8zs-KSitc

>>52969128
This was a mistake from a different time. Stop punishing me for it. Make one better, one that is a blank page that onky says "anons" or something.
The era of geometry is gone, the bitterness has rusted away, and the rads are past their half life now.
Are we perhaps in the age of Custards & tinmen?
>>52969082
I gave you like half of your fluff, is it such a sin to like loyalist betrayed IWs as well?

>>52969600
T H I N G S . S H A L L . G E T . L O U D . N-
>[Outmemed by Ordinatus]

>>52969621
I like them too, actually. When I was first scanning over HH armies to pick I considered them and the Iron Hands, before settling on one of the only Mechanicum variants with as little iron as possible. Not sure what was going on there.

>>52969335
That's a very clever way to justify the Vets lists that work so well with them, I like it a lot. Did you come up with a quick way to do all the six billion Terran Vet badges you'd need on all your dudes?

>>52969609
Or just go straight for an Ionophone, or Plasma Speaker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzND4EF1XIo

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>>52969191
That thing remains the main drive for me to find cool things to add to the whalebird, since no matter what I do it will never be that cool.

Perhaps if I ever do that Volkite Crawler Ordinatus I'll see if I can make the Volkite coils light up, they're big enough to get some lights into and I have an engineer friend who has an almost masochistic love for fiddly projects like that. DAMMIT, now I have to add another page to the Ideas Notebook.

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>>52969082
>Got to be some people that aren't Loyalist Iron Warriors

In a way, it kinda makes sense for there to be more loyalist Iron Warriors than other traitor legions, given that they were one of the largest and their whole thing was scattering their forces on thankless garrison duty to the corners of the Imperium, which would mean lots of Iron Warrior forces that spent considerable amounts of time away from their Primarch's cult of personality, which seems to be one of the main reasons, along with the warrior-lodges (did the IVth ever even have these?) that marines were so eager to follow their Primarchs into rebellion without a second thought.

>>52969191
>perform the equivalent of aural shitposting directly at the man who wrote your favorite codex, well, that was a good time too.

what did he mean by this

>>52969599
They can function as a cost effective Conversion Beamer Reductor sniper squad, deadly to buildings and anything far away without having to spend a valuable Heavy option for that, or the cost of T5 2W 3+/5++ PE(Everything) dudes for that matter. I did the maths, Reductor Conversion snipers get a huge discount for like only a -5% decrease in power or something . But that's the only use I see in them.
Other than being techpriests with free servo arms. If you're using Siege Automata, a squad of these could be a good enough caretaker unit with flamer servitors for melee deterrence and a Magos with Cortex Controller. Because Tank Hunters or not, Servo Automata lack Relentless. Especially since Reductors get this squad as an extra on the FoC so they don't really lose that much for Matrix of Destruction.
Or you could turn that Thanatar into a Paragon of Metal too.

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>>52969541

Depends. In personal tests, I found that sounds like the Giantdad Special
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u0t8ZIlwuQ
actually shook the Ordinatus and even my desk, to the point the Ordinatus was vibrating itself apart. Loud music will work best, and make things more atmospheric. The occasional memeblast though can be fun, if not overdone.

>>52969640
F I R E

>>52969784
Lights are best done with Arduino, I'm told. I have yet to try a light project.

>>52969941
I stopped by my shop during a special event, apparently. Jeremy Vetock (The guy who wrote the tau codex) was there, talking about the new Sigmar Squats. I naturally had to make my thoughts known.

>>52969903
>warrior-lodges (did the IVth ever even have these?) that marines were so eager to follow their Primarch
I doubt it. They already had a rank-free side club dedicated to engineering and tactics. An HHG of sorts. And many among themselves refrained from going because good stuff got commended but bad stuff got jeered worse than thicc painted minis in this general. I wish they had done inclusion exercises and invited other legions like the WE gladiator pits, but outsiders would probably have been bored.
Though we did that several threads ago and one White Scar ended up proposing Biketillery. Which the IWs can do because of their Shrapnel bolts in Command squad Jetbikes with power weapons. A fun thought exercise.

>>52969685
No, unfortunately.

>>52970136
>Giantdad Special actually shook the Ordinatus and even my desk, to the point the Ordinatus was vibrating itself apart.
>Ordinatii shield components are known to burn themselves away during battle due to the strain put on their components.
Wow Shas, you even got that part right. Commendable mini.

>>52969685
I typically use pride of the legion or black reaving. Reavers are expensive compared to vets for similar jobs. I've got a pricey 15 man reaver squad with jump packs and combi weapons with banestrike ammo. 6 combi melta, 6 combi plasma, melta gun, plasma gun, flamer and melta bombs on the chieftan.

They're expensive at 500 pts. But they've been averaging about 800 pts in damage per battle. I rarely make them charge. I just hop them around, playing conservatively and blasting stuff. The banestrike ammo shred meqs like rending, the plasma wrecks teqs, and the melta wrecks MCs and vehicles.

>>52969685
>>52970174
>Did you come up with a quick way to do all the six billion Terran Vet badges you'd need on all your dudes?
Assuming you want to slap them all on the shoulders, you could just greenstuff a pair of lightning bolts onto the Raptors pad from the Deathwatch sprue and make a push mold.

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Stop bullying Space Wolves.

>>52970136
>Jeremy Vetock stopped by my shop and I meme'd him

what WHAT

>>52971798
SHOO SHOO SALTY AWOO.

>>52970136
If I get to the Horus Heresy Weekender, I swear I should try and do something like that to Alan Bligh.

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>>52971985
No.

>>52970136
Please run this sound through the gun
https://youtu.be/m59fTKa-Bjk?t=6s

>>52970136
Can I ask what the dimensions of the Ordinatus are? Length, height, width. Just so I can log that when I'm toying with ideas during my painting sessions. I swear, I spend more time on my silly notebook of bullshit than on the actual models.

>>52972478
Not that anon, but same. I'm a financial analyst/controller and I organize my thoughts in spreadsheet on a daily basis. My wife hates it.

Why are Iron Warriors one of the more popular legions? Their scheme is so ugly.

>>52972761
Iron Autists. They're a Legion of Sperglords who spend all their time calculating how to destroy shit. and led by an uber-sperglord with zero social skills who is bitter and the universe because of that. In short, they're the perfect representation of the HHG community.

>>52972547
I'm not even a particularly organised person, I just have an idea, scribble it down and as I'm doing that I have more ideas about how to improve it and it all kind of snowballs. If I could actually draw it would be wasted due to all the notes that wind up scattered all over the book anyway.

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>>52972761
>Their scheme is so ugly.
Say that to my face and not online!

>>52972761
Siegemasters who have one of the best grudges in Warhammer history. They're incredibly focused on annihilating things far more efficiently than anyone else and they love warning chevrons a shitton.

They also have a considerably tragic inner-Legion history and also have a huge room for both traitor and loyalist options. They're also stubborn as fuck and are the most practical of the Traitor Legions.

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>>52972478

Length
-Total: 13 inches
-Front Carriage 5.5 inches
-Rear Carriage 7 inches
-Sonic Projector: 12 inches
Width
-Carriage: 5.5 inches
-Carriage with Gun Extremities: 7 inches
Height
-Front Carriage: 2.25 inches
-Rear Carriage: 2.5 inches
-Gun: 2.5 inches (main body)
-Carriage and Gun: 5.5 inches
-Highest point of Dish: 5.75 inches

>>52971975

Oh yeah, asked him about the squats and squat conversions and how many termagants fit in a tau vagina and everything.

Nah for realz doe my main concern to him was why GW and FW can't get their shit together, since GW seems to treat FW as incompatible with its stuff, and the massive change in 8th edition could render unintended changes in 30k, with the changes potentially making armies like cybernetica unplayable. I was concerned how they don't seem to care how the changes will affect 30k, and how with every change it makes me real hesitant to buy FW sometimes since a change's effects could ruin an army. With every question he answered to everyone he had this big smile, but this one, he looked somewhat serious and down. He said that FW has been trying to do inter-communications better, but the effort was mostly with the FW guys, and the GW guys are just doing their own thing regardless, leaving FW with perpetual catchup. Nothing I didn't already know, except for the FW guys making sure shit like Cybernetica still works identical in 8th. The guy wanted to talk Kharadrons, so I didn't bug him with bullshit. I do like the Kharadrons though, and I got his thoughts on my Tau and stuff.

>>52973081
That's really interesting to hear, and it is sad that FW always seems to be the forgotten brother in things, always kept out of the loop and always behind. You'd think given FW's massive boost in popularity thanks to the HH Series GW would give more of a shit about them.

>>52973111

Different companies. FW is FW, GW is Citadel. GW gonna look out for its own bottom line first.

>>52973081
Thanks for all the detail, that's suprisingly small for something with that big a gun. Now to work out how many Volkite Carronades are required for a suitable Ordinatus gun...

>>52973160
>Different companies.
You cannot be this stupid.

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>>52973160
wow, people like you still exist

>>52973280
>Now to work out how many Volkite Carronades are required for a suitable Ordinatus gun...
All of them.

>>52973280
Lol. A volkite ordinates. Sounds like fun! Probably something the admech would think up. I just imagine a bright red beam paving back and forth alone enemy lines, creating a charred line of destruction like a giant felt pen on. Piece of paper.

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What does everyone's collection look like? You don't need to post pictures if you don't want to, but I'm really curious as to see what everyone is bringing to the table lately.

>>52973346
*ordinatus

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>>52973353
Bringing to the table? Marines. In general, here's my sheet-

Legions (Iron Hands):
>variety of HQs (Libby, 3 centurions/praetors (1 termie, 2 Reggo, BaC chaplain, termie primus Medicae)
>command Squad (dudes with power weapons/guns I did for fun)
>10 Cataphractii
>10 Tartaros
>10 Gorgons
>techmarine and servitors
>60 Tactical marines
>20 medusan immortals
>10 tactiacal Support
>10 heavy Support
>10 seekers
>2 Vindicators
>3 rhinos
>2 land raiders
>spartan assault Tank
>legion falchion
>2 contemptors
>deredeo
>leviathan
>soon to get a Sicarian

Mechanicum Ordo Reductor:
>archmagi (one tech-priest, one converted cawl)
>6 myrmidons
>12 kataphrons (stand ins for stuff)
>15 Thallax
>20 hoplites
>30 peltasts
>3 triaros
>3 ordo Reductor artillery tanks (40k skitarii crabwalkers, couldn't pass up on the oppurtunity)
>variety of 40k admech stuff to fill in when I try something out

Quaestoris Knights:
>2 Knight-errants
>2 Knight-wardens
>knight-paladin (though he and one warden have changeable parts)

Legion Custodes:
>1 shield-captain
>4 hetaeron Guard
>10 spearstodes
>20 sentinel guard
>contemptor-Achillus
>2 corona transports
>2 caladius grav-tanks

>probably other stuff I forgot about

fuuuuuuuuuuck I've wasted too much time and money on this

Hang on a minute, why do the Thousand sons even have dreadnoughts? Can't the Pavoni biomancers just regrow the legionnaire?

>>52973613
If a marine gets gibbed into a head and half a torso there's only so much they can do.

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>>52973344
Thing is, judging by the Ulator PinningArmourbaneInstantDeath 7" beam hits flyers giant pile of bullshit, the answer is probably about six to eight.Maybe I should make this one a more distributed fire Ordinatus? Two or three big turrets with megaguns in them, so you can Choom three units per turn.

>>52973346

I like to think it's a massive command crawler with some massive but less gigantic than normal guns and some seriously bullshit shielding. More a moving Fortification with battlements and such than a vehicle, Dispersion Shield making anything on top of it at BARE MINIMUM effective T4 would make a hell of a firebase. I like open-topped Superheavies, although this one would probably not be an Assault Transport due to being too high up.

>>52973790
Something like that tau movable fort, a spider-walker with twelve legs shaped like a battleship, with a flare shield for everything on its battlements and two quad-volkite demi-culverins and a forward-mounted double karacnos mortar with phosphex, as well as top-mounted guns like what the mastadon gets. standing room for fifteen models/two castellax/a thanatar at both forecastle and rear i dont know boat terms

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So I have an idea for my Hetaeron's Magisterum Vexilla; I'm thinking somewhat like this picture and using the FW MKIII Command banner but with a few of the Custode Transfers on it. Then just giving him a Sentinel Warblade for kicks instead of a Master Crafted Powerweapon (why???)

Yes or no? I figured it's better than just giving them all Solerite Gauntlets and Paragon Blades with shields.

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>>52969128
go back to r*ddit faggot and take your name/tripfaggots and circlejerk cancer with you

>>52973913
Literally all of that sounds unimaginably sexy. Saved for future shitty sketches. Although people will probably get butthurt at something that comes with two Ignore Cover Quad-mortars. Especially since it's probably got an Occularis plugged into them ED-E style at all times.
I may cut the number of legs down to eight because for something that size they'd probably be Knight legs or similar, it's hard to find the proper spidertank feet.

Mechanicum Mastodon. We don't need to hide in a box, because we aren't T4 plebs and even our dicks have forcefields.

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Hey fellow Custode anon with the Solerite Gauntlet Captain; borrowed your idea and made another (#5) Shield Captain with his Archeotech Pistol attached to his Gauntlet.

Still have to clean him but I love it.

>>52974001
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>>52969621

>>52969082
>Post your army backgrounds and fluff, people
Ahh, this is just the post Waffle Custode has been waiting for!


My Custodes Prefect commands the Regum Ruinam ('Fall of Kings'), a task-force designated to act as the default executioners of the Imperial Household, in such cases where a special force is not assembled for the task (like Prospero). As the Imperium grew larger and larger with the progression of the Great Crusade their role was one they were called up from their regular duties to perform more and more often, until near the end of the Great Crusade and the outbreak of the Heresy they had not been on Terra itself for decades as they moved from place to place, acting as the descending blade of the Emperor's justice, whether or not the neck was waiting in chains or on a throne.

Composed of about 3 dozen Custodes drawn from varying portions of the Legion, making for a flexible kill-team of dangerous and lethal warriors. They are accompanied by a permanently attached Cadre of Sisters of Silence, known as the 'Headsman's Daughters', who stand as wardens of the condemned and act as an anti-psyker component in battle. While the Custodians are no more special than any of their kind, if one where to read through their roll call and squad names, they would notice a certain symbolism creeping to the fore, as the squads are all named after ancient methods of execution or punishment. And the titles of the Custodians themselves all contain within their primary components the name of some god, hero, or beast known in fact or legend to have slain a king.


(Reading Master of Mankind made me even more certain of what I was already feeling about the Custodes, that symbolism plays a big part when it comes to their naming conventions, for whatever reason... And because of that, I'm now planning to include a small number of Terminators in my army, JUST so I can call them "The Elephants".)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_elephant

>>52974919
And also, just for the record, I'm only going to give names to the characters of my Shield-Captain and Dreadnoughts, and even then I'm not going to go past ten or so.

>>52974919
Neat. So while the Wolves are the emperors executioners, your custodes are an extension of the emperors own blade.

>>52973353
I just started my first 30k army

Imperial fists

10 Tartaros
10 Cataphractii
40 Tacticals
15 support
5 Heavy Support
20 vets
10 Templar Brethren
2 Contemptors
1 Mortis
2 Rhinos
3 Drop Pods
3 Land Raiders

>>52974919
I like your theme. Will they wear black?
>>52975020
>I'm only going to give names to the characters of my Shield-Captain and Dreadnoughts, and even then I'm not going to go past ten or so
Awww :^)
Lynch will be one of his names, guarantee.

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Higher toughness = thicc? Apparently everyone thinks Mortarion a thicc because T7

>>52975090
Oh and a Chaplin and a Praetor

>>52973986
Vexilla wouldn't be bad on Hetaeron Guard, especially the extra wound making them survive longer.

I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to do with my Hetaeron's armament but my, as I'm still waiting to see if they release any more Custodes, on the odds they create a bits pack with paragon blades, solarite gauntlets, and other stuff. But lately I've been thinking that I should mix it up a bit and give them each something different (or close to it).

>>52970136
DUDE that shit is fucking tight! please tell me you started killing shit to that first bass drop, PLEASE TELL ME THE BASSCANNON DROPPED ITS LOAD AT THAT DROP

>>52975273
I realize just loading them up with blades and Gauntlets with shields is the most effective thing ever, but I'd rather have some extra "oomph" to them and I think the thematicism of the grandiose Vexilla would work decently. Basically I view them all as very individualistic but willing to utilize varied forms of weaponry that fit the mission at hand. Eventually
I'd like to make a second squad of 10 with a crazy varied loadout for shits and giggles.

>>52975072
>>52975099
Thankyou both.

I was originally planning on only putting the Hetaeron squad in black (all Custodes in squads of 5), but lately have been toying with the idea of adding more.

And I thought about giving each and every model their own name, but that requires me to track down 30+ heroes and such that killed kings. And when it comes down to it, on the tabletop you really don't know which model is who in the middle of a game (learned that when I was young and just getting into Warhammer). But Terminator Squad Elephant? That's a group of badasses you remember when they stomp all over your unit and and dismember them (ie: like the execution method).

>Lynch
That's definitely going to be used for one of my dreadnoughts.

I was already thinking of adding some greenstuff nooses to my Sisters of Silence squad, too. Now I'm trying to decide if it'd look nice on the Dread ('normal' size or scaled up

>>52975123
Not necessarily thicc, but bigger maybe yes.
It's strange how thicc and bigg are Perturabo and Magnus, both of whom are T6, but Morty and Vulkan are the second biggest primarchs and are both T7.
Or are they just people that simply don't seem to get hurt by stuff?

>>52974919
Interesting setup; the idea of a primary execution force not unlike the more relaxed Prospero Censure force is very interesting. The thematics behind an execution based force is a little heavy but I like the idea; they seem more like headhunters than executioners, but I imagine a specialty of taking out certain forces becomes a specialty. Would you say they practice assassinations a bit more than the standard Custodes?

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>>52969082
Hmm, I guess this gives me good reason to post mine then:

Custodian Force "Linea Gratis" (The Line Breakers)

A Legio Custode taskforce that heavily utilizes the idea of a battle line destruction through precision attacks; whether this relies on overwhelming force or hit and run attacks is up to the mission at hand and the Shield Captains at hand who act under the Tribune; who leads the primary detachament. A force that relies on diversity and the willingness to be exceedingly mobile or act as walls that would make Dorn blush. Led by Tribune Djet the force consists of nearly eighty Custodes, their roles varying from mission to mission, but also includes a personal detachment of nearly a dozen Hetaeron that follow Djet into combat. It also carries an unusually high detachment of Dreadnoughts as Djet favors the interred warriors with a sense of pride as they seek glorious vengeance in their continued lives. For the sake of precise battle line cutting and fortress holding it also contains a decently large amount of Sagittarum and Agamatus Jetbikes; a strong ten of each in the force utilized when needed despite their somewhat rare nature within the fraternities. As far as euipment is concerned, Linea Gratis uses anything that fits the combat approach required; however it is considered rare for them to field Aquilon pattern Terminator armor.

Despite Djet's tactics being one of surgical nature, he often prefers diplomacy first and will leave combat maneuvers in the hands of his Shield Captains should intensive negotiations break down; the leader of the combat at hand always being one with the best plan or mustered experience. This being said, every encounter with the Linea Gratis can be different every single time, Djet joining the field of battle and working alongside the acting Captains despite his superior rank. When he does take command however, the Tribune is ruthless and can almost always be seen in the very thickest of fighting.

>>52975702
>Would you say they practice assassinations a bit more than the standard Custodes?
A bit, they certainly do lean more towards the offensive than the standard Custode. And I wasn't trying to be too heavy with the execution theme so much as it's easy to go overboard.

Also I imagined that early on most of their duties were a ceremonial one. Arrive at Planet X, hold a big spectacle where they behead whoever is so horrible that they've earned the Emperor's (or the Custodes) personal wrath, and move on. But being the treacherous place the Imperium is, not all of those condemned to execution by them would be in chains and waiting for the blade, and might need to be removed from whatever position of power they're in, before sentence is passed, so they must be formidable in their own right. As as time progressed and the instability being sown ahead of the actual rebellion would mean that more and more often they'd be executing someone by force of arms, rather than in a public square.

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>>52973353
Well my force is growing decently. I have about 3/4th of it painted too.

>Talons of the Emperor
>20 Custodian Guard
>15 Sentinel Guard
>10 Hetaeron Guard
>10 Sagittarum Guard
>6 Agamatus Jetbikes
>3 Caladius Grav-Tanks
>2 Coronus Grav-Carriers
>4 Pallas Grav-Attacks
>3 Contemptor-Galatus
>2 Contemptor-Achillus
>5 Shield Captains/Tribunes
>1 Ixion Hale
>1 Oblivion Knight-Centura
>10 Prosecutors
>10 Vigilators

>Questoris Knights/Titans
>1 Knight Crusader
>1 Knight Warden
>1 Knight Paladin
>1 Knight Atrapos
>1 Reaver Titan

>>52976141
Sounds like the Luna wolves before they went traitor. Surprise, speed, strength, aggression.

>>52976141
>Linea Gratis
The free line? Led by tribune Djet coke :^)
>Walls that would make Dorn blush
Oooh nice.

>>52976604
It can translate to line breakers or the free line; meaning a line that has no attachments or flows when uprooted.

So both translations fit the theme

>>52976720
Gratis means free as in free of charge, not freedom. Breaker is Ruptor
It sounds nice, I just wasn't expecting it.

>>52976792
Ah ok. Interesting. It's been a few years since I took Latin; and thanks!

>>52969191
Got a picture/video? It sounds cool as shit.

>>52969016
>Only one that didn't get slapped like a bitch after Horus fucked everything up by trying to duel daddy.

Didn't the Emperor's Children explicitly kick almost all the other traitor legions' asses up and down the Eye of Terror, failing to conquer it only because they grew so depraved that they eventually started just fighting each other?

>>52973081
Not that I'm complaining to you, but every time I see these kind of mesurement specifications I scream why can't we just use metric system instead. It's way more accurate and straightforwad, damn Brits

>>52976825
Not that anon, but you're using Spanish instead of Latin anon, trust me I'm Mexican

>>52968575
So how long will HH be stuck in 7ed? Until all books and primarchs are released?

>>52977304
Until Forgeworld gets its shit together. Probably just before 9th is released.

>>52973353
I'm slowly putting together my Blackshield army, though it's really becoming more 40k-centric as time goes on. Finally got my Deredeo assembled, though. I don't have enough together to actually play a 30k match yet.

Would paragon blade and/or Justaerin troops make Abby usable?

>>52977465
So its a safe bweth to say that we'll have all primarchs released on paper by then, uh?

Which primarchs are still without rules besides Sangüinius?

>>52977743
Lion, Sanguinius, and Khan.

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So I played a 30k demo today at the game store. He brough 1500 pts of iron warriors and imperial fists. I played the IW

It was a fun game. It reminded me of a good game of 40k without the current meta and formations bullshit.

So as a lofty goal, I want to build an army of late heresy death guard (because I like mutations and nasty weapons). What FW books do I need for starting out, and what models do you recommend I get to start collecting?

>>52977845
We haven't quite gotten to plague marines, but you can run a sort of quasi plauge marines by running blackshields.

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>>52968930
Awfully slow for a White Scar.

>>52969073
He was chasing Dark Eldar that had raided Chogoris. It wasn't a Russ-style, "Hey, let's go into this super-dangerous inhuman realm on a wild quest!"

>>52977845
Death Guard are a legion that supports footslogging blobs of marines, so you're best off starting with either Burning of Prospero or Calth, for thirty marines. Pick which style of marine armour you prefer, and buy that box-if prospero, you can easily sell your custodes+SoS. Your books can be found in the OP mega, Death Guard fluff can be found in books one and three. For the most up-to-date rules, you want age of darkness legions and age of darkness army list. An excellent introductory resource is the 1d4chan legion tactica also found in the resources, as although it isnt in any way a perfect resource it gives basic knowledge about whats present in the various legions. Just be aware some units can have writer bias.

>>52977924
Great advice, thanks man. Ill check it out.

>>52969543
Simple and straightforward, I like it.

I found it hilarious that the traitor primarch's are still considered tragic misunderstood heroes by fangirls, when each loyalist primartch has given them speeches that explain why exactly, their a bunch of babies, that caused them to scream in autistic rage.

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>>52973081
I never thought I'd get such significant information through /hhg/ - thanks for sharing that! For all GW's improvements lately, that's a major flaw. But there's some positive in that they've a) acknowledged that 30k exists, and b) have allowed FW to transition on its own schedule (i.e. could be a while).

>>52971007
>But they've been averaging about 800 pts in damage per battle. I rarely make them charge.
I never would've thought that you could get your points out of an assaulty-looking unit without charging. I'll have to consider that from now on! I wonder if it makes other legions' destroyers viable (shooty jump pack dudes). Probably not but it's worth a spin.

>>52976720
That doesn't sound right at all. Gratis means free as in, "out of favor or kindness, without recompense or compensation, gratuitously" (says Wiktionary, for Latin - but it's the same in Spanish).

For "line breaker" I'd go with "ruptor ordinum".

Ruptor = breaker
Ordo = line of troops (linea was a line of string) and -inum is the plural genitive ("of lines")

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>>52968575
Who the fuck thought putting Imperialis Militia Reconaissance Squads as a Troop choice was okay? The Militia roster is kind of fucked. There needs to be some kind of "Trukk" option for cults and hordes. You'd think GW would have capitalized on Fury Road at some point but there I go thinking.

>>52975688
>>52975123
Vulkan and Manus are straight up tanky "brutes" while Mortarion's endurance comes from his past experiences. In HH1 it's basically stated that perhaps no other primarch has been through as much as Mortarion.

>>52969016
In the old IA, the Death Guard were the only ones who made a sound retreat from Terra.

>>52977001
It wasn't in that exact order, but yes, the EC had strength enough to take on the remnant of other legions due to them (probably) not losing many marines on Terra and Fabius' skill at replenishing their losses.

>>52977631
There's still the issue of Justaerin being unable to sweep. I can't speak on how much does it come into play though.

>>52978396
Vulkan is the strongest one though

>>52974354
>not cleaning parts as you go
truly the weakest race

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I like the Iron Warriors but how do I make the models look interesting beyond
>basecoat silver
>dunk in nuln and agrax

Their chevrons are pretty neat but I think they're best used conservatively. I suppose I could use them to really work on my weathering skills but I think battle damage looks best on non-metallics.

>>52978611
>Cleaning pieces you will never see
>Not making it easy for yourself by cleaning a dried and solid model versus holding singular bits

Must be hard to be this fucking stupid.

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>>52978668
These guys' panels go from blue to brown. It's a bit weird, but using either bluish silver or brownish silver is a good idea.

>>52978668
Give Your Dudes something unique-your company has a black arm or orange rank stripes on one leg kinda thing.

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>>52978668
This guy uses bluish silver, which contrasts well with the gold and yellow (cold vs. warm). It's by Myles from Lil' Legend Studios, the guy on the Age of Darkness podcast.

He also did some Iron Warriors for a customer who wanted them practically black, with huge chevrons.
http://loserstudio.blogspot.com/2017/02/iron-warriors-commission-thunder-of.html

Any reason to take Heavy Support Squad over vehicles?

Could you guys share tips/samples/recipes for painting non-flat white? I'm desperate.

>>52978913
Legion or rite requirements, legion bonuses, ZM, rule of cool. Fists get tank hunters, DG can use them as troops, SoH can get relentless, Raven Guard need minimum infantry, no vehicles in ZM, mk3 dudes with lascannons look fucking sick

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>>52978924
The base color should not be any lighter than Ulthuan Gray. Choose if you'll shade with a bluish gray or a brown. Highlight with white.

Pic not mine.

So what do we think the Custodes flyer will look like? Think the rules will be a super Xiphon?

Also every army seems to have a superheavy tank, I can't help but wonder what the Custode one will be. We already have the Heavy dread for them coming but a giant Grav super heavy would be interesting.

For a fast response unit is it worth taking a squad of Pallas Grav Attacks with a single TL Adrathic Devastator tossed in?

I can't tell if it's worth upgrading for an 18" weapon in a squad of potential 48". Would it be better to just run a pair of TL Adrathic Devastators in a squad of 2 versus one tossed in to a standard squad of 3?

So, uhhh, am i doing this heresy thing right? I'm honestly not impressed by Terror Squads, and im not sure of the tradeoff between raptors and assault marines. They both seem kinda mediocre compared to generic counterparts, and i guess i could use the models interchangeably.

110-Chaplain, Jetpack, Crozius Chainglaive, meltabomb

435-3x Cortus Dreads, all with a chainfist/fist combo
60-Apothecary, Jetpack
265-10x Night Raptors, AA/Meltabombs

245-10 Veterans, PF Sarge, 2x plasma, MMelta Rhino
245-10 Veterans, PF Sarge, 2x plasma, MMelta Rhino

205-Xiphon Interceptor

435-Konrad Curze

>>52979217
Drop a dread or two for another Vet squad or two. You have so few of bodies and it looks very easy to break apart with even minimal heavy weaponry. You may not like Terror Squads either, but they're VERY effective in HH games too.

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Making further progress on the Fast Attack slots. So much leadbelcher is needed on the Pallas and it's so time consuming.

>>52979217
So you're running Pride of the Legion?

Raptors are indeed overcosted. Assault Marines are a little too killable for their points, but they're a better deal.

Terror Squads are actually decent, especially with volkite weapons. This isn't like 40k where morale doesn't really matter; Fear works, and of course Infiltrate does a lot for them too. The Terror Assault rite of war is popular, but not at 2000 points due to the 3 Troops requirement.

I'd equip each Veteran squad for a specific role. Anti-tank guys all get combi-meltas, anti-Terminator guys get combi-plasma, etc. But your loadout is common enough so it's not a big deal.

The Xiphon's great against a single flyer, but Fire Raptors can force multiple enemy flyers to jink so they're arguably more useful. The Lightning with Kraken Penetrators is the anti-Spartan flyer of the bunch.

How many infantries do you guys typically deploy? I mean the total body count.

>>52979433
I play Custodes so my number may be a bit skewed.

But at 2.5k I have around 26-28 infantry models.

>>52979310
Terror squads are like 400 points if you give them a dreadclaw and volkite, which i think is too damn much for a troop squad of ten 3+dudes despite their pretty impressive killyness. Even ten and an apothecary infiltrating is like 330, which is insane for a low model count CC unit. For that price they could be teleporting terminators. They might be good for a HQ to slot into as the retinue, but not as troops, which need to hold locations. I might drop a dread and cut down on upgrades for a third unit of vets though, you're right about the low body count.
>>52979372
Yeah, Pride of the Legion. I'll do some math and move points around for comparison, assault marines also score and that'll help with my model count problems. Terror squads look impressive, and PE s5 seems great, but thats still nearly 30 ppm once you get them properly kitted out without even a vehicle. If you infiltrate them and dont get turn one, you're probably three-quarters dead, and pods are even more expensive. If i wasnt bringing Curze, it'd be sevetar and nine terror dudes in a claw, but batmans already in the post.

The vets will probably get magnetised special weapons for melta/plasma, i'd rather have two special weapons rather than three combiweapons though.

I'm currently debating flyers to purchase, the fire raptor looks like a good use of my HS slot. The xiphon model could be proxied as a lightning and vice versa though, so thats a point in their favour. i might start off with a xiphon to start, and then proxy it as a lightning for anti-ground and bring a raptor for AA along with more dudes for the jump to 2.5k.

>>52979554
Glad we can agree on the bodycount.

As for fliers, the Fire Raptor or Xiphon are both great choices. The Xiphon will always be better antiair and vehicle harasser, so keep that in mind.

I would keep the Xiphon and eventually add in the Fire Raptor as time goes on with bigger games; which I see often when I play against other Legions. The most obnoxious thing for me as a Custodes player is twin Xiphon and I end up having to rely on an allied Knight with AA weaponry to cover my ass more often than not.

>>52977967
also maybe hold off on buying anything for a month because new death guard plastic models will be released soon, which might be closer to the late heresy look you're going for.

>>52979433
I have a fairly infantry heavy Alpha Legion force, and Coils of the Hydra does force you to take 3 Troops, but I currently field 57 marines at 2k point,

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So I've always wondered, are there Marines from the traitor legions that didn't want to go full worshipping monster? I don't mean like Night Lords and such, but like Death Guard that had no interest in being Plague Marines or World Eaters that would rather have some sanity left to them.

You would think that some would prefer to be a little more grounded, so do we have any examples of that so far?

>>52979681
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Isstvan_III

>>52979729
Surely that didn't kill all of the loyalists though. How could they even know who to send?

>>52979729
What. That's not what I'm asking.

I'm asking if there were any traitors that were cool with going full rebellion but shirked away from going full chaos worship.

>>52979794
In The Path of Heaven there was an Emperor's Children swordsman who was fullblown traitor but hated how degenerate his legion had become and refused all of Slaanesh's blessings.

>>52979681
Plague marines didn't really have the choice.
World Eaters were doomed due to Butcher's nails.
KSons were doomed.
Emperor's Children were degenarate and didn't care.

>>52979782
I would assume they just sent down anyone that they thought were loyal. A lot of traitor marines probably got caught up in it as well.

As for survivors, I would guess they got absorbed into loyalist legions post-heresy.

>>52979794
Well not really. The whole reason anyone rebelled was because of chaos worship. If they didn't have the taint, they wouldn't be on the rebelling side.
If you're asking because you don't like the aesthetic, and want to run a cleaner looking chaos army, I'm sure you can just paint up normal marines in chaos colours and say they got caught in a warp storm and time travelled from just after the heresy, and so they don't look gross yet.

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>>52973353
Very little for now, I just started my pre heresy war hounds

>>52979846
Nah it was just out of curiosity's sake. I had the image of how most Iron Warriors didn't really dive much into demonic war machines for a long time and used Chaos as a tool for warfare versus other legions who went hard on it like a raver to ecstasy. So I just wondered how many felt the need to rebel was needed but didn't want to utilize the powers of Chaos unless necessary.

>>52979794
It kinda did look like that's what you were asking.

But for the actual question, I'm sure they'd just be in such a minority they'd be slaughtered. And then there's the Alpha Legion. They're "chaos undivided" but never showed any interest in chaos. They apparently been sabotaging the Imperium for years if you believe them but they're completely detached from chaos other than being a traitor legion.

Then again it's pretty much the same as the Night Lords. I'm sure some individuals didn't like the idea, but they sure as fuck don't get a choice. Though to be fair I'm sure Ahriman would shit down Tzeench's throat until he exploded given the chance.

>>52974354
Looking good, mate. The fist is a particular nice variant, where is it from?
Also, can't have too many Shield-Captains. I am currently working on my third one.

>>52979868
The Iron Warriors were never super gung-ho about Chaos worship and just used it as a tool.

>>52979892
Thanks dude! The fist is from the SM character upgrade set from FW!

So I had a weird idea for some army fluff in my Imperial Fists. I want to include a Moritat in the army despite them being terrible, but wanted it to be a traitor legionnaire that stayed loyal and sought death on the battlefield alongside loyalist. Like a Night Lord or Iron Warrior that said "Fuck that" when they were stationed with the Imperial Fists or something.

That too bizarre?

>>52979972
I love it. Show us pictures when it is painted!

>>52979972
I hate it. Don't show us pictures when it is painted.

>>52969111
>What is the Iron Cage
>What was the Scouring

Anyone here have any lore for specific models in their army? I know we have army lore earlier in the bread, but what about some of your leaders or models of interest?

>>52980156
The praetor mentionned here >>52969543 is a veteran of the battle of the tempest galleries, and not a big fan of the promethean creed, he was nonetheless chosen by Vulkan to command a newly created chapter entirely made of nocturneans marines, in hope that he might accept the new creed of the legion
it worked

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>>52980223
Here's a pic

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>>52977631

>>52980230
is that a pizza on the shield

>>52980300
did adb write this?

Is there any non-Primarch other than Maloghurst who has in-built Vets as Troops?

>>52980329
Pride of the Legion exists for a reason.

>>52980329
siggy gets temp squads, which're turbo cc vets.

>>52980313
This is the shield on the banner of brayarth ashmantle

>>52980300
>disabling strike is specifically described in the fluff as being part of Horus's fighting style with the weapon, not a property of the weapon itself
>"LOL abaddon gets it too because it's the same weapon"
>"and Horus's tactical genius was actually just a result of having the title Warmaster LOLOLOLOL"

>>52980402
>the Emperor only gave Horus the title of warmaster because he didn't already have a warlord trait and needed some boosting

>>52980230
Nice pizza, try adding some pineapple.

>>52979433
It's a bit odd thanks to the tarpits hardly counting, but about 30 actual Infantry like Thallax and Myrmidons and stuff, around three or four vehicles and then anywhere from 60 to 100 scoring bullet-catchers.

I'm thinking about making Magos Spidey with Illuminor Szeras lower body. How do you guys think? Too Xeno-ish?

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2 Day Operation Molten Storm at Briscon is done.......... fuck me it was a long one lads. The Mad Malagra Magos Coatl was victorious as well as the traitor faction on the whole. Coatl personally accounted for 1x Landraider, 1x Tac squad, 1x Knight Atrapos, 2x Dreadnoughts, 1x Breacher squad. Came away with 1 draw with 4 wins and 1st place. Also got the pleasure or beating both Tim and Michael from Sons of Horus podcast, those lads are as awesome to play as they are to listen too!

Here is the full Army pic I took, 2.5k with 1 LOW

P.S fuck Custodes, I played one talons list and the sheer volume of fire they soak up is fucking disgusting with those 3++ shields haha.

>>52980603
Out of interest, what unit do you put the malagra in? I like the idea of them, but not sure how one delivers that character into close combat.

>>52980603
Not that familiar with AdMech; What merit Malagra has over other Orders? Just personal preference?

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>>52980627
Chuck him in with the Thallax and jetpack as fast as your flying Snek powers will let you. You should be turn 2 charging if the board has good cover to bounce between but be VERY careful of demolisher cannons they will double you out and instasplat your ass. You have to dump like 300points on the Magos but fuck me he is a hard ass blender with paragon blade, chainfist, radfurnace and rad grenades.
>>52980664
+1 WS +1Attack and preferred enemy characters

>>52980581
Main worry would be that it might not be big enough. Magi tend to be fairly hefty fellows, but szeras isn't huge.

>>52980706
This sounds about right. Last super beefed one I ran against with my Custodes tanked a shit ton of things until I chucked a pair of Solerite Gauntlets at him. Guy can take a beating.

>>52980711
I'm thinking about using GW plastic Magos. Will it be too big? Hmm...

>>52980706
Heavy Chainsword and Rending combo on Thallax I guess?

Reductor Artillery Tank description says that it's "modified and augmented pattern of mobile artillery platforms." Well, does that mean I can glue big fucking gun on Skitarii crab-tank and call it good?

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>>52980771
Rending for daaaaaaaaaaaays, with the jetpacks str 7 and rending you can very quickly chase down vehicles even with loan Thallax squads. I managed to stalk down and wreck one of the Custodes shooty tanks much to the other dudes horror with just 3 cheeky Thallax

>>52980821
Seems pretty impressive. Was thinking about going Tank Hunter Thallax+Myrmidax or Ordinator Magos w/ Jet Pack, and you gave me new insight. Thanks.

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Rough guide to 8ths starter box contents. Unfortunately not much will be useable for 30k. except maybe the DG termies and characters.

however the DG termy shown earlier in the year is mixed armour marks.

>>52978807
God damn, I love the designs of those beep-boops. The concept of a Primarch going to his sons and saying 'you all suck, I'm replacing you with giant robots' is pretty hilarious too.

Speaking of magi, what's a better loadout to go into a photon thruster/destructor thallax cohort?
>ordinator with 1 photon thruster
>myrmidax with 2 photon thrusters

>>52979794
A lot of the Death Guard had no interest in Nurgle, but Mortarion broke down and accepted his help after getting becalmed in the Warp on the way to Terra. Becoming chaosified without really wanting to is their story.

But... the legions were large enough that independent fleets might never have rejoined the main one. Chaos imposed itself on the cult legions' primarchs and everyone near them, but you could have a splinter group remain clean. Would they retain their legion identity though? Blackshields might be more appropriate.

The Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Sons of Horus, and Alpha Legion could avoid it much more easily.

>>52980821
How does it compete against Ursalax? It seems like that you use both of them, but aren't they pretty much the same role and doesn't Ursalax do it better?

>>52980603
>Also got the pleasure or beating both Tim and Michael from Sons of Horus podcast, those lads are as awesome to play as they are to listen too!
Hell yeah, that's cool on both counts.

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>>52981535
Thallax are for scooting in and out of cover and capturing objectives or ablative wounds for a magos, think of them as jackals not wolves, attack targets of opportunity or help out other units. Using them as shock troops is not their role at all. Ursarax on the other hand I just jam done my opponents flanks and try and roll up said flank. They are quick and I take them in groups of 6 with 3 claws and 3 fists so your tooled up for anything.
>>52981545
Both lads had super cool armies and sick paint jobs and are all round awesome dudes to play 30k with. Mike had the worst luck I witnessed all event, he missed 2 3inch charges in a row and wiffed some other clutch rolls. His 9 lascannon fists in a bunker were mean as shit though and almost popped my knight quick smart

>>52981621
Is that giant... vehicle a tank or transport?

>>52981709
There's 2 in the image.
At the top is a Spartan, the Land Raider's big brother, transport capacity of 25.
Towards the bottom is a Triaros transport, the Mechanicum's Dedicated Transport of choice.

>>52981369
I would say Ordinator, as you're tank hunting so Armourbane will probably do way more than two more shots, plus he's cheaper. Also, dropping what's basically D3 Basilisks on some poor blob or camping support squad is amazing and can help with the truly abysmal volume of fire that Thallax put out.

>>52981709

The Triaros? Transport, 135 pts, HP4, AV14/12/12 Flare Shield. Armed as a Castellax, essentially, and carries 20. It's godly, but they're as much as a Malcador or 100 Levies each, and for your money Macrocarid gets more points, so you don't see them that often.

>>52981621

The sight of a burning Spartan warms my mechanical heart. Was that the Vulturax' work?

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>>52981764
Killing Spartans never ever gets old haha
it was combined Vultarax and the Usarax smashing it up. The Usarax made two clutch chargers that match from out of nowhere

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Ok time to sleep before I implode like a loyalist tank list ho ho ho! have some Mechanicum armies pounding each other for fun or as I like to call it "vigorous field testing"

very new to 30k and 40k. does scout and infiltrate count as moving for heavy weapons?

Is there a fluff explanation for why 30k marines don't have ATSKNF?

>>52982122
No, since you make the move before the first turn

>>52982130
They had no experience with Horus Heresy, which taught them even greater value of brotherhood, valor and sacrifice.

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>>52973353

>Those short jetbikes in official art

I feel so vindicated!

>>52979360

>Painting iron instead of silver

When's the next Heresy preview event again? I heard there was one soon and honestly it's mostly that I'm hesitating building my Hetaerons if there's a good chance that a conversion kit is inbound.

>>52982251
Well, there's Warhammer Fest on 27th-28th May, but don't know how much of a footprint FW might have at that, it may be more a core GW thing.

>>52981958
That is a LOT of AV. Seems that two Mechanicum lists built with their normal vehicle/anti-vehicle options would pretty much mutual kill each other T2 and spend the rest of the game ineffectually shooting Thallax and Hoplites at each other.

>>52982130
I think its because 30k marines are less indoctrinated, while the level of training is the same, after the heresy more time and effort was put into the psychological/spiritual side of marine creation.

Its also why 30k marine personalities are more varied and unstable

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>>52981058
* waddles behind you*

"Heh. nothing personal, armour autists."

>>52973353
Night Lords
30x Veterans with Plasma
3x Rhinos or metal bawxes
6x Catapractii
5x Tartaros
1x Contemptor Khrees

>>52982131
ok thanks. so scout move or infiltrate a squad with heavy weapons can still fire turn 1 and not have to snapshot?

>>52982717
That is what he meant. Keep in mind Infiltrate requires staying out of the enemy's line of sight if you want to start within 18" of them. There are situations in which you can see a unit without being seen yourself - brush up on those rules.

===

Lil' Legend Studios had an online lesson on painting black (with an airbrush):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUyqMztgn9d6Nc5ptUe-6EA/live

I think it was meant as an exclusive for Age of Darkness Patreon supporters but they couldn't figure out how to do make it exclusive. Skip the first 9 minutes, they had some technical difficulties at the start.

>>52980039

Perty on the run until he finally said fuck it and waited to die in his party van.

>>52984031
That link ain't working anymore, sadly

>>52973353
Salamanders
1praeto
5 cataphractii
5 firedrake
1land raider
2 rhino
1 techmarine
10 tactical marines
1 contemptor
10 veterans
2 rhinos
1 vindicator
1 predator
1 chaplain
1 delegatus
5 custodes
Vulkan

>>52973353
Ten Mk 4 jump packs
its a start, ordering the chaplain and a squad as we speak

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Stuff on shooting in 8th on warhammer community site:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/30/new-40k-shooting-phase-apr30gw-homepage-post-4/
...but this seems especially relevant for 30k:

>You also can’t shoot if there is an enemy with 1″ of you. The exception to this rule is pistols. Models with these hand-held firearms can shoot at the closest enemy target in the Shooting phase, even if they themselves are locked in combat! This is going to make characters with pistols incredibly deadly up-close.

Will 8th make moritats the moritits?

Also, hand flamers on assault marines might be a laugh.

Other highlights:
>moving and firing heavy weapons is just -1 to hit (even on vehicles)
Helloooooo psuedo-relentless heavy support squads.
>cover is a bonus to armour save rather than a separate save - they give the lore example that a sufficiently powerful weapon can shoot through a wall. Also certain terrain only gives bonuses to certain units, like craters only give cover to infantry.

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>>52985650
>Models with these hand-held firearms can shoot at the closest enemy target in the Shooting phase, even if they themselves are locked in combat!
OH MY, SUCH A GAME CHANGER :^)
Unless you can do a Chain Fire attack whilst in melee at I10, now that'll be powerful, though current rules even prevent you from charging after one.

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>>52985650
>Helloooooo psuedo-relentless heavy support squads.
Well hello hello ;^)
I thought cover would be a penalty to the enemy's BS though.

Wouldn't it be easier and better to simply fiddle with 7th ed (mainly the psychic disciples) for 30k rather than blowing up everything and moving to a new edition? The game functions very well already, there's no pressure to change much.

>>52985824
We now know that FW isn't transitioning to 8th edition anytime soon, so they're either doing what you describe or not bothering to fiddle at all.

>>52971007
I thought the Reavers represented the power of Assault marines with combi-bolters.
Say, what do you think of the Headhunters, especially when compared with regular Sniper & outflanking Vets?

>>52973353

regular models
160 Bolter/Chainsword Slayers.
40 Shield/ Bolt Pistol/ Chainsword slayers
15 Cataphractii Varagyr
10 Tartaros Terminators
1 Leviathan Dreadnought
3 Contemptor Dreadnoughts
1 Not!Leman Russ model
3 Predators
1 Spartan
1 basic Land Raider kit
50 Support squad, Plasma
20 Support squad, Flamer
20 Support squad, Volkite
5 Heavy Support, Plasma cannon
15 Heavy Support, Missile launcher
5 Heavy Support, Lascannon
10 Heavy Support, Heavy Bolter
10 Apothecaries/ Priests.
A handful of different battle leaders and commanders.

True-scale conversions
20 Bolter Slayers
20 Shield Slayers
5 Support Squad, Flamer
5 Support Squad, Plasma
2 Apothecaries/ Priests
3 Commanders/ Battle leaders, from plain to tricked out.

>>52985824
They're probably gonna change to 8th for Angelus, and we're a LOOOOONG way from Angelus
I wouldnt at all be suprised if we got another filler book before Sanguinius shows up, maybe one entirely dedicated to expanding the Mechanicums place in the Heresy, could include a campaign which is all about Loyalist and Traitor Mechanicum making a scramble for any remaining STC's they have yet to recover

Blackshield players - How do you kit out your marauder squads? Like veterans, maybe just take them bare and use them like despoilers or rampagers, take all bolters and treat them as buffed up tacticals, or maybe something different? I've heard of using them in a rhino or land raider with lascutters to fuck up vehicles, but that doesn't seem cost effective in the slightest.

>>52986087
This list is building towards my 1,000 marine strong army.

Basic structure is as follows:
300 standard bolter Slayers
15x 20 man squads.

300 Shield Slayers
15x 20 man squads.

150 tactical support marines
30x 5 man squads
>75 Plasma, 25 Volkite, 50 flamer

30 Priests
1x per Slayer squad, as a field commander. If clarified to count as compulsory HQ, will be used more.

75 heavy support marines
15x 5 man squads
>20 Lascannon, 20 Missile, 20 Autocannon, 15x Heavy Flamer

75 terminators
15x 5 man squads
>50 Cataphractii "varagyr', 25 Tartaros

25 Deathsworn-as-command squads
5x 5 units, as of yet undecided armament

5 'Ship-Captains' as Preators.

The smallest unit would be one 20 man slayer unit, one support squad, and one Priest for a 'Raiding Party' of 27 marines. Gives the Ship-Captains a tactically flexible unit that if equipped properly can handle most threats.
Two of these paired together then get a five man unit of terminators, a five man Heavy support unit, a Dreadnought 'Ancient' and either three Predators, a LR, or a detachment of artillery.
Three of those units are then on one ship, and only at the ship level do the big guns come out like a Glaive, Fellblade, Mastadon, or Spartan.

The 1st Ship-company is all True-scale, and is there for small ZM or pick-up games.
It's and easy way to distinguish them on the table too, if I ever have the entire company on a table.

>>52986150

The filler books will be updated red books with 8th edition updates and FAQs, which is a more important priority.

>>52986150
erm, what? the next books Angelus, and it includes dark mechanicus

>>52986329
That's a hell of a lot of marines with not a lot of heavy support units or anything particularly fast. No transport?

How many points does that massive pile of boring come to?

>>52986150
I mean, that would be AMAZING. I don't know why that would be a filler book any more than Bk 6 was, call it the Forge Wars or something. Mechanicum needs more lore, if I was to even attempt to make a proper slate of operations or similar for a Mech army I would just have to basically make up the numbers and structure, and we never see them win because there are too many Marinefags who get pissy at it. A book of their own where they pull out a few stops and wreck face in detail would fix both of those problems handily.

>>52986549

A marine costs like 11 points.
A termie costs like 35.
Dude wants 1000 marines, including 75 termies.

>>52986549
Thats just the infantry list, I have yet to finish the Heavy support list.

Total would be something like 20k points.

>>52986630
Still seems like it somewhat lacks firepower given that 20k doesn't leave too much for gunz after 13k of Infantry and HQ choices. I suppose that's the SW way, though.

>>52982220
I was thinking of your project lol, and how someone called it Scooty Puff Jr.

Scooty Puff is canon now.

>>52986881
It's been canon since the early 2000's.

>>52986980
Yes, but this is the first time he and I have seen that particular artwork, by his post. Obviously the artwork is old, but new to us.

Autism

>>52986773
When I said 20k, I thought it was an accurate guess on how much the infantry would be worth

I was wrong. 26K seems more accurate now.

>>52986773

SW legion only exists to get Russ into melee, anyway

>>52987103
Do you ever just see a Primarch and get the urge to Vortex Missile it?

I've done it once.

Shit was hysterical.

>>52987103

And the furry yaoi.

>>52986058
Same anon your replying to.
I sometimes put those reavers in assault if it prevents them from getting shot at badly. They're good in assault with a lot of attacks plus merciless fighters attacks usually happens due to them being bulky with jump packs. They can definitely hold their own in assault, I just make sure they always assault something kind of plain. Like enemy vets, tacticals, support, assault, recon, seekers... stuff without power weapons. They'll chew through them with huge attack numbers. Plus precision shots and strikes means if there's a sergeant sporting some bling like a power fist, you can load up a bunch of extra attacks on him to make sure he goes down before getting a chance to swing.

I run another reaver squad sometimes (mainly against mechanicum) with Jump packs, volkite chargers, chain axes, and Melta bombs and a power spear (yeah I know) on the chieftain. 469 pts. Again, expensive. They throw out a huge number of strength 5 attacks, both in shooting before the charge and in assault. Counting the volkite shots and the charg attacks from a full squad, it ends up being 91 strength 5 attacks with precision shots and strikes. Add another 12-15 for merciless fighters depending on how many go down in the first round.

These guys chew through thallax, ursarax, vorax, scyllax, and even adseculari tar pits with aplomb. That way I can focus my vets, justaerin, and big guns on their big guns and big automata.

As far as headhunters go. Vets are universally better for their points, especially alpha legion vets. Give them combi weapons (with flamers) with sniper and infiltrate mutible tactics and go after any infantry or monstrous creature guaranteed to wound on 4+ with proper ap2 rending. Want a squad to nail vehicles. Combi meltas, missile launchers, infiltrate, machine killers, and banestrike ammo. 10 strength 9 shots means armored ceramite isn't an issue on av14, plus you can still rend meqs to death with banestrike.

>>52987103
They're very much specialized for butchering shooty Astartes en masse. Mechanicum, Solar Aux or Custodes just don't really care about cheap power weapons and apply bullets to face of idiotic barbarian pretending he's all that because someone got him a Power Sword or fancy armour.

>>52986087
>>52986329
are you a fucking millionaire or what m8? even with converting your ass off and knowing us 30kfags are willing to put a fair bit of dosh and work in that's still got to come to a stupid amount. a couple of slayer squads alone would come to at least a quarter-grand.

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>>52974354
Love the pose, it looks like he's readying a punch hidden behind his shield, so his (presumably marine-sized) foe can't see it coming. Though I don't recognize the gun. Third-party bit?
I only managed to get one more guy done for the project, a vexilia-bearer. Getting the Sentinel Blade over to the left hand was an absolute bitch.

What are the favourite units in your army, anons? For me it has to be Magi Prime, just because of the sheer customisation and range of options. Only Centurions come close.
Second is Myrmidons, because they're the actual war priests that you expect from an Admech list and have really sexy models to boot.

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>>52987673
The gun is actually a chopped and flipped archaeotech pistol from the FW Praetor set.

As for the Sentinel blade on the left side, the trick is to use an x-acto blade right where the blade and grip-end meet the hand; then swap that over to a hand you cut from a Guardian spear. I've done this three times now.

And yet, I can't fathom why you'd ever take a power weapon over a Sentinel Blade; the axe is a bad choice since it leaves you at /only/ I1 S7, a sword is pointless because of the SB, and a mace seems silly unless you want to concuss something to death that you're probably already faster than.

Also I feel you, I just finished a squad of 10 more Guardians and it's exhausting compared to regular Marines. Now it's time to shit out some Pallas and Jetbikes.

>>52987931

I really like Solar Auxes. I didn't originally like the deep sea spaceman look but it's seriously grown on me.

>>52987931
Master of signals. Jump pack, plasma pistol, power weapon, artificer armor.

Stick him in my locutarus squad. Precision intervention. Give +1 BS to squad for "opening salvo". Next turn the squad maybe goes on to assault something while he calls down an orbital bombardment or give artillery eyes on a target or shoot and assault something independently. Jump pack mobility means he can bounce around and help out other units or join in assault if he needs to. Superb dude. Love using him.

>>52988116
Shame you never actually see the basic Lasrifle Sections on the table because everyone wants better armoured 5HP Vindicator transports instead. They are sexy.

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>>52982333
not even half as shooty as this army my mate took, thank fuck he went traitor and I didn't have to play him haha. The shooter lists were all loyalist gunpig and vehicle spam so I had no guilt sending bees, knights and melee units up their flanks and rolling around in their back lines

>>52988116
>>52988397

Might as well give myself a (you) and ask this her. I'm making Solar Aux for an Only War regiment and here's what I've got. Thoughts?

613th Solar Auxilia Cohort: “Jovian Orbital Grenadiers”
Voidborn Origin (3)
Phlegmatic Commander (1)
Grenadiers (4)
Vanguards (6)
Close Order Drill (2)
Honor Bound (-4)

E: Ok, Capcha. Are you *sure* you know what a fucking street sign looks like, bruh?

>>52987931
>legions
Rhino-pattern tanks, and basic dudes in power armour. Don't use terminators at all. It's surprising how many more points you have to play with if you don't stick a squad of termis plus a transport for them in your lists.
>mechanicum
I like thallax & krios battle tanks (but not venators - I know the rules are great but I don't like the model). Considering starting a woefully inefficient army based around those two things. Oh, and a thanatar, that model's nice too.

>>52988457
Those tanks are so sexy but so expensive. I kinda want some, but all my HS slots are taken already thanks to Myrmidons in a Macrocarid. I suppose I could run MoR and turn my Levies into Adsec. Traitor aquilas look a tad odd, but those bases are cool as shit.

>>52987396
I think he plans to do it on the span of many years. Still costs a lot, but it's like the accumulated cost of smoking a lot for example.

>>52987207
Thanks for your detailed answer. So their mobility would be the key element that allows them to chop the shooty and shoot the choppy.
Your idea of Banestrike Machine Killers is nice. Thing is I wanted to know how much of a game changer Banestrike ammo was. I had forgotten SoHs also have access to it.

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>>52988064
Yeah, that MC powerweapon is a big head scratcher. I mean, a powermaul custodes might look dope, but I see little reason to ever acutally use that.
Then again,, it *is* Inferno we are talking about, so sensible gamedesign obviously checked out a while ago...

>>52988253
>Master of Signals with Jump Pack
Wow, they actually can take one. Am I the only one weirded out by him and the Vigilator not being able to take gauntlet weapons but being able to buy Jump packs?

>>52988457
>thank fuck he went traitor and I didn't have to play him haha
Cóatl is a traitor?! :'(
That guy's list does look like a nightmare for vehicles and power armoured troops.

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>>52988893
I like to think of him more as a rogue state Mechanicus, no one tells a Snek what to do or who to bite he just does violence as the mood takes him. No lords and no gods, don't step on me.

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>>52989066
>*steps on u*
:^)

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>>52987085
Kill yourself fucking neckbeard faggot.

How often do you guys play games involving units kept in reserve? How often are all units deployed on the table in the beginning of your games?

>>52989066
Preach it. Archmagos Xander is of pretty much the exact same mindset. No Gods, No Masters.

Are 3x 1 Rapiers too squisher than 1x 3 Rapiers?

>>52989066
>libertarian mechanicus
hatred: drop pod assault

>>52989066
Btw, do you have more pics of that IF terminator Medicae?

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>>52989338
Baby Sneks granting interceptor are the best counter to dirty pod tactics and I am never leaving home without them again!
>>52989500
No sorry I don't but the event organizers took like 15 gigs worth of pics that will hopefully get posted up online soon that I can harvest for you.

Have a pic of some smurfs getting wrecked

>>52989602

I'm not going to lie, I hate the ultras like anyone else. But that's a goddamn snazzy U stripe on the top of the Raider.

>>52989338
>hatred: drop pod assault
How else are you supposed to deploy without roads?

>>52989295
>Rapiers
The nice thing about doing 3x1 is that you can't get alpha striked by one big unit (e.g., sniper vets).

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>>52989664
Bro the whole army is that sexy, was a commission army but the dude was attempting to replicate it on the brighter raider in this pic. Once he washes it down it should match perfect, he was a really cool dude for a smurf player and was a super tight match with a draw.

>>52978396
>There's still the issue of Justaerin being unable to sweep. I can't speak on how much does it come into play though.

I find sweeping with Justaerin almost never comes up.

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Would it be considered a dick move if I houserule away the support squad rule even if there is an agreement beforehand?
I'm getting the itch to play a plasma/volkite only army.

>>52988474
Looks fairly good, but I feel like Vanguards isn't exactly their thing. Then again I haven't really played OW in a couple years. Possibly also a Maverick commander to represent their improved morale in large formations? Also, respirator and a preferred basic weapon would be good for em. Flamer or Volkite Charger, if you're using a homebrew for one? And multilasers or heavy bolters for heavy if you have points left.

>>52989760

>agreement beforehand

Answered your own question there, champ

Do FW Thallax w/ Special weapon pack (like Multi-melta and things) come with 3x lightning gun + 1x special weapon, or 2x lightning gun + 1x special weapon?

>>52989897
I believe it's 2x + spw
don't take my word for it, my last order omitted my melta

>>52989760
There is another way: take Pride of the Legion, use Terminators w/ Volkite Chargers or Veterans with Volkite Serpentas as your troops (or Lerneans if AL) and then take your Tactical Support dudes.

Outriders can take twin-linked Plasmaguns (not that you can afford the points), Land Speeders (the plastic ones) can take Volkite Culverins, and those heavy support Jetbikes can take Culverins or Plasma Cannons. Have fun!

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It's been a while due to life being generally shitty, and the fact that I think I burnt myself out painting too quickly, I'm returning to work on my loyalist EC, which I've deemed the Tyrian Eagles.

The Storm Eagle and bikes are still WIP, while the Rhino needs just a few touch-ups. I've still got another two Rhinos to paint up, as well as another trio of bikes and 10 more Marines (5 to round out one squad, 5 to start off a support squad). From there, fuck if I know.

>>52990279
What do those 40k vehicles used as?

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>>52990342
Assuming I'm understanding you correctly: The Storm Raven is being used as a Storm Eagle. I extended the rear end of the hold by about an inch (inspired by the Chapterhouse conversion), which helps give the dropship a more reasonable size.

The aircraft in the upper corner is a Lightning Primaris proxy I made out of the Stormtalon/Hawk box. All of the weapons are modeled, and I used spare parts from the kit to extend the wings and give it a proper tail to make it look more like an actual jet fighter. A few months ago some anon was bitter because I didn't use the Nephilim for the proxy, but that fucker is more expensive and has fewer bits for options. Plus, it's not like the Voss-pattern Lightning is the only type in existence.

Also, not pictured above are my Contemptor dread and these guys, jet-pack Palatine Blades

>>52990279
>>52990557
your Griffith marines please me
good show anon

>>52990557

Impressive. I don't mean to criticize you or anything, but how are the sizes compared to the resin ones? Haven't seen side-to-size comparisons.

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>>52990912
I don't have any myself, but here's a pic I saved a while back as an example. By the looks of it, they're generally within the same proportions, though resinmarines are ever so slightly thinner, and they're slightly taller overall because their legs aren't splayed out like GW marines. However, overall there isn't too much of a difference.

>>52991072
Sorry, I mean the fliers/vehicles.

Heard resin mk4 is bit skinnier than B@C, and new Deathwatch (and 2.0) is quite bigger than heresy marines, but not sure since I haven't seen them btw. Hmm...

>>52988757
It's 67% better against meqs (usual target) than regular bolter rounds. Mathhammer:
Banestrike: 20 shots = 3.704 meq kills
Regular Bolter: 20 shots = 2.222 meq kills.

It's also 25% better against meqs than volkite. But volkite is an assault weapon so you can charge after shooting.

People denigrate banestrike for not being true ap2 rending and so therefore can't take on terminators or artificer armor reliably. But it still wrecks the most common trooper in 30k, the marine in power armor, 67% better than a regular bolter.

>>52991156
Ah. I know the Storm Eagle proxy is maybe an inch and a half-ish off total length, though the tail helps compensate for that. I'd honestly have loved to, but a lack of good plastic sheet limited my options.

As for the Lightning, I haven't the slightest idea. Judging from the rough dimensions of the Voss-pattern Lightning via Google, I know the wings are a bit shorter, but nose to tail might actually be within parameters. Measured, my proxy is 8" across the wings and 7" long (nose weapon adds another 1")

>>52991156
I just remembered, here's an older top-down picture of both aircraft, with the BaC chaplain for scale

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>>52991478
It'd help if I posted the damn picture

Does anyone here know what the dimensions of the Munitorum Supply Crates are? Length, height and width?

>>52991501
Awesome, thank you!

>>52990279
Those models are begging for some shading!

But the overall shots look nice, and I say that as someone skeptical about the use of plastic kits. The Mk VI winged guys are great.

Bizarre question, but if I run Pride of the Legion Imperial Fists, is Volkite spam worth it?

I'm thinking of running basically two or three Veteran Squads and MAYBE two Tactical Squads alongside a Catatphractii Terminator squad and Praetor.

Basically a BaC box with more tossed in.

>>52990279
I love your purple, and your conversions of plastic 40k kits are great.

>>52991740
>Imperial Fists
>volkite
Does not compute.

>>52991768
Fucker he can spam Phosphex if he wants.

You guys ever had a moment of realization that for the money you have spent on converting something out of other kits, you could actually have bought FW legit one cheaper?

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>>52991660
Thanks! The infantry all have their washes (the picture doesn't do them much justice), and I've just started doing some shading with a pot of Lucius Lilac dry paint I picked up not too long ago.
>>52991766
Thanks mate, I really appreciate that. I'm a poorfag, but I love the 30k setting, so I enjoy thinking of creative conversions that can be done on a budget.

>>52991795
Sure, but thats not as fun as making some abomination from twelve kits, and everyone who knows the game will take notice of a nice conversion used instead of another calth chaplain with a weapon swap

>>52991740
No, because IF get bolter bonuses and you'd be foolish to let that go.

I'm not saying you shouldn't take any, but you won't get enough out of it to do it widespread. It's still fine on squads you know will always be moving and not benefiting from Rapid Fire.

>>52991789
Sure he can, but why would he want to? Going volkite-heavy does shit-all for IF.

>>52991896
So true. I know if I ever do that Crawler Ordinatus it'll probably cost as much as a real one, and even more if I go with my inner crazy (eyes) and try to light it up or get it to move. However, it's WAY more fun, and even if they look a little shoddy sometimes they still show effort and skill.
At least the Whalebird is cheapish.

>>52991795
Sure, all the fucking time. I just ordered two boxes of sanguinary guard for use of their axes as paragon-spears as well as two more Sammaels on Corvex for my bullock-pattern jetbikes.

>>52973353

2 Imperial Knights
25 Militarum Tempestus Scions
1 Taurox
1 Commissar

2 Rhinos
2 Dreadnoughts
3 Dreadknights
50 Grey Knight Terminators
10 Power Armor Grey Knights
20 Purifiers
10 Interceptors
Draigo
Voldus
Metal Brother Captain
Metal Libby

10 Deathwatch Kill Team

10 Tactical Marines
10 Vanguard Vets
1 Kitbashed Shrike

40 Skit Vanguard
5 Infiltrators
1 Tech-Dominus

Out of all the Primarchs did Perturabo come out on top?
>just chilling on a daemon planet building things to his heart's content

>>52992938
I mean probably. He's a super angry autist with a fortress world and demonhood.

But he's also got a permanent hate boner for the IF though so it probably drives him mad.

>>52992953
Dorn is dead though, at least ostensibly.

>>52992938
As compared to loyalists though? Probably not. Guilliman ended up with the best deal thus far and Khan is probably off wrecking Eldar shit for fun; and even then Vulkan is off on the ends of the galaxy doing something related to his prophecy and he's probably just rattled from being killed a shit ton of times.

>>52992991
Didn't Vulkan die for real after he used the ork power (everything green is ork), thus being killed by the waaghrp a second time?
Or was the Beast before the First Black Crusade? I don't remember.

>>52993277
Before the Black Crusade.

The current lore states that our favorite Perpetual is still out there doing his work.

Whatever the fuck it is.

>>52993595
I liked him more when he was dead and his opinion on the codex astartes was a typo because there was actually no mention of him whatsoever between Istvaan V and the aftermath of the Scouring.

>>52973353
I've got:

Turbo-Laser Warhound
Horus
Maloghurst
Terminator Armor Praetor
Chaplain
Master of Signal
2 Apothecaries
Legion Champion
10 Justaerin
20 Reavers
30 Power Armor Marines
3 Laser Rapiers + Crew
Dreadclaw
Drop Pod
2 Rhinos
2 Contemptor-Mortis Dreads
1 B@C Contemptor

Not a huge collection but it fits the game size we typically play (2k-3k). The Justaerin, Reavers, and Dreadnoughts are all magnetized.

>>52973353
>Praetor
>Librarian
>Master of Signals
>Herald
>Primus Medicae
>Champion
>Moritat
>30 Tactical Marines
>10 Tactical Support
>15 Sekhmet
>Contemptor Dread
>Leviathan
>6 Heavy Support
>2 Rhinos
>Drop pod
>Land Speeder
>10 Veterans
>Lightning fighter

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>tfw when your helmet counts as a lance on the charge

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Hey, are axemen Veletaris a good idea? Sure they are cheap so they'd counter anything unwieldy by cost...but they have no assault tansports (and the Stormhammer isn't one).
I think they would complement flamer squads and Demolisher Dracosans, along with Outflanking Vanquishers for Spartan killing.

>>52994431
I feel they're not super-good at being used offensively due to the no assault transports thing, but they'd be good to have as an interceptor unit in a big gunline to stop terminators with chainfists from ruining your tanks and artillery

>>52994496
So, "keep them around for whatever comes this way"? What about the Lord Marshal's Household retinue? EW or not, he's still no space marine.

>>52994570
Ultimately a gimmick, but he can have a use as bait to get an enemy deathstar outta their Spartan. Unless the dice hate you. Give him that shunt field thing, EW and stick him with your mad axemen, use positioning and shroud bombs to ensure you're the ones to charge an enemy unit with unwieldy weapons, wreak havoc and then as soon as you would take a wound back, use your mandatory teleport to get the fuck outta there back to your gunline. Ultimately though, not gonna be worth the expenditure for a serious game, better off with the command squad in a Dracosan.

The other option is taking a marshal, a medic and ten axemen in an arvus and dropping yourself between an enemy and something squishy, but thats never gonna be a great method of doing it

>>52973353
1st Units of Veterans, 2 Power Weapons
2nd Unit of Veterans, 2 Heavy Bolters
Unit of Seekers, base
5 man Sentinel Guard, Tele Transponders and shields.
That sister HQ squad for allied detachments.
A librarian.
Command Squad for my Delegatus in Tartaros terminator armor.
A knight errant.


No vehicles because.my force is a Death Guard unit that stayed loyalist and reverted to Dusk Raiders colors, going commando and doing as much damage as possible. There will be no extraction.

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>>52973353
- 4k worth of Dark Mech, includes 3 knights
- 2k worth of Death Guard, mostly infantry and Dreads, just got them a Mastadon for a 3k list
- Literally just starting to assembling a Raven Guard jump pack/drop pod army, will bulk it out into 3k as well with all a few build options.

Most importantly the mech is almost fully painted, the Death guard about 70% painted. Fully painted is the only way forward and playing with grey or black mans is a sin against yourself and your opponent.

>>52993629
His opinion on the codex would never have mattered anyway, less that 1k Salamanders survived the heresy.

>>52973353
Nearly 250 unbuilt Marines including 4 Betrayal at Calth, two Burning of Prospero and the rest resin models.

>>52993277
Speaking of which
i read sons of the forge l, cool book
But I found a huge inconsistency that it creates, so there are 9 artifacts right? Well it turns out they are 10
3 are Vulkan's wargear
2 are the Chalice of fire, a ship and the eye of Vulkan a cannon
Then there are 5 more picked by the first forgefather to preserve after Vulkan tells him to destroy the thousands of toys he had
They are 10
And what's worse, Vulkan intended for the artifacts to be hidden inside a special vault he made that only he and the forgefather could open but they never made it, years later when the Chalice of fire and the eye are discovered the vault containing the other five is empty
Then who the fuck wrote the tome of fire?

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>>52995268
oh look vet spam! how interesting and compelling to play and play against, well done anon

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Working on a 2.5k list for IF; how does this look?

Imperial Fists
Rite Of War: Pride Of The Legion

HQ: Legion Praetor w/ Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Paragon Blade, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, and Grenade Harness 165pt

HQ: Command Squad of 4 w/ Cataphractii Terminator Armor, 1 Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, and 1 Chainfist 185pt

Troops Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/ Marksmen, Veteran Sergeant w/ a Power Axe, and 2 Meltaguns 250pt

Transport: Rhino w/ Extra Armor 40pt

Troops Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/ Marksmen, Veteran Sergeant w/ a Power Axe, and 2 Plasma Guns 240pt

Troops Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/ Marksmen, Veteran Sergeant w/ a Powerfist, and 2 Heavy Bolters w/ Suspensor Webs 215pt

Troops: Legion Breacher Siege Squad of 10 w/ 2 Meltaguns 230pt

Transport: Rhino w/ Extra Armor 40pt

Fast Attack: Xiphon Pattern Interceptor w/ Ground Tracking Auguries 215pt

Fast Attack: Legion Seeker Squad of 10 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist 265pt

Heavy Support: Legion Vindicator w/ Extra Armor 125pt

Heavy Support: Deredeo Dreadnought w/ a Lascannon Battery and Aiolos Missile Launcher 270pt

Heavy Support: Legion Spartan Assault Tank 295pt

2500pt