Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>52961103
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1wqVO0jMsmU

I don't even play Orkz...

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>>52961110

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Third for KHORNE!

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Just started, any tips?

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Why hasn't GW made a model of her yet?

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MFW no templates in 8th...

my dudes > your dudes

>>52961181
Has GW ever made a model of a character from any of the games?

>>52961221
Orc boss and goblin from Age of Reckoning.

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>>52961221
Surprisingly, yes. They don't have rules though - just heads.

>>52961178
Play what you like. Don't listen to our bitching about how to break the game and just enjoy yourself.

>>52961221
the engine-seer from the guard, the old metal one was. Maybe greyfaux is a pseudo one? >>52961181

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Given that templates are gone, they can actually mix up the ranges on all the different kinds of flamer type weapons. 2nd Edition had four different teardrop templates. What are you r predictions on profiles for hand flamers, heavy flamers, etc?

>>52961234
Shit nigger, I've still got this guy unopened in a blister pack in my attic. Can't get up there right now without waking the senpai. Does anyone know the names of the characters off the top of their heads? I want to have a nose on eBay to see if there's any resale value.

Off topic I know sorry lads, just got momentarily excited.

>>52961181
just use the greyfax mini with black armour.

>>52961251
Heavy flamers will either be 2d6 or something like d6+3. Hand flamers will probably be d3.

>>52961252
Grumlok and Gazbag.

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So this is pretty much a preview of how transports are going to work now, right?

>>52961178
Been forever since I've played so I've forgot it all, great music though.

>>52961251
I hadn't considered that. Hand flamers might be 6, while heavy flamers might be 10. I could see Torrent flamers of various kinds averaging out to around 20.

>>52961178
Thank you for your troops! I'll give you your orders in the morning, Holt.

>>52961245
>>52961260
Man, I'm really out of date on new minis, didn't even know she existed.

>>52961251
hand flamers 6 inch range.
heavy flamer, 10 inch range or assault 3D3.

>>52961207
fuck you!

Kinda wanna build some tyranids. Is the start collecting box a good value?

>>52961331
Really good financial value

>>52961331
Yes and no. Model pricewise, yes. Model valuewise, no. Warriors and Gargoyles are worthless in 7th, but the Hive Tyrant is alright. 8th will likely bring it up, seeing as how Nids seem to be getting bettered statlines, so I say go for it if you have no qualms about waiting for it to be useful.

>>52961110
Man that's awful.
Go more with depth, plenty more mid range and less treble.

Sounds like on of those toy Echo-microphones with a spring inside.

More Bluddflagg, less whatever the fuck hack did Armageddon: The Orks.

>>52961181
BEST INQUISITOR

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Did someone fuck up? Go to gw's website and tell me what you see.

>>52961377
What am I looking at, chief? What's your localisation?

>>52961354
>Model valuewise, no. Warriors and Gargoyles are worthless in 7th, but the Hive Tyrant is alright
>7th
>IRRELEVANT

>>52961377
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Sector-Mechanicum-Galvanic-Servohaulers-2017

Ausfags deliver again

>>52961331
get da tyranid swarm box.
or 5.

>>52961401
>Crudace

>>52961377
Its up in NZ so yeah someone put it up earlier in the other regions.

>>52961395
America. I'm seeing Grombrindal's pre-order and new terrain.

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>>52961401
>Ignoring the other half of my post
>Acting like we're already in 8th edition

>>52961377
Pretty neat. Weird that it's terrain though.

>>52961377
the little fire extinguisher is kinda cute

>>52961377
Mechanicus getting giant servo armed trains would actually be pretty cool desu.

>>52961395
Right, right. Just confused because it isn't up in the UK. Ausfags I would understand because they're like a day ahead of us sometimes but this is interesting.

>>52961416
Getting a box with 90 models in it would probably demoralize me as far as painting goes. Maybe I'll pick it up later.

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>>52961429
>implying faggot will buy build, paint and play this before june 4.

>>52961161
khorne is a lazy faggot

>>52961377

Oh my god the little train is so cute.

>>52961377
>>52961435
>Also included are a toolbox and fire extinguisher, because in the grim darkness of the far future safety is still a top concern.

Kek

guess it's time to buy an enginseer to watch the little cranes

>>52961492
Safety for the machines, not the meat-bags operating them.

>>52961272
>varied weapon range
wtf no

>>52961526
Surely means damage not 2d6 range

Terminators on 2+ 2d6 or we riot.

Bought hades breaching drill, wonder how deepstrike will work in 8ed.
>>52961552
2+ d6

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CHOOSE
YOUR
ALLEGIANCE

>>52961579
Are Space Marines not imperial Forces?

>>52961624
Nah they're rebelling under Guilliman because the Imperium has rejected the Emperor's vision, confirmed in Thursday's twitch stream

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>>52961624
Don't tell me you thought they'd ever allow marines to be folded in with the rest of the Imperium

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Continuing the discussion from the last thread, as a thought experiment - if Sisters of Battle got a kind of faith system similar to the blood tithe points used by KDK, how would you like to see these points accumulated and what miracles would you like to spend them on?

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>all models including FW will get new rules in 8th
>30k port probably not in sight

>>52961672
I'd be fine with the old system back

>>52961672
Getting a new full plastic release miracle that kicks in when you melt down your entire army.

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>>52961579

>>52961677
Fires of Cyraxus soon™

>>52961354
Warriors are good. Gargoyles are absolute dog shit, frontline meat shields at best. Also swarmlord>hive tyrant. But new edition makes everything irrelevant

>>52961693
Thinking more along the lines of are skitarii finally getting transports in 40k

>>52961704
Well how knows, we might have some new units at release.

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>>52961672
how about they get a faith system similar to the faith system of stormcast you gargantuan dick sucking faggot ?

>>52961702
>But new edition makes everything irrelevant
>Somehow like to post irrelevant things

pure autism

>>52961741
Just weighing in my opinion

>>52961741
>We're in that rare awkward time in-between a new edition being announced and being released
>Feel the need to complain about everyone who can't immediately adjust to this

pure autism

How do you think the different Chaos factions' command thingies will work? I read a tiny bit of AoS just to get a gist of this whole thing and was thinking
TS- Destiny dice I'd guess?
WE- Probably blood tithe of some sorts
NL- maybe something related to controlling night fighting or creating areas of shrouding?
etc.

>>52961161
Death Wing is that you?

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Whats your most recent completed model?

What are you currently working on?

>>52961433
All terrain is getting rules in 8th...

>>52961763
I hope we get destiny dice, that mechanic just seems so delightfully thematic and cool for any Tzeentch army.

>>52961241
Just run him using the UPSURD character customization available to space marines:

> Captain Titus

Generic Captain template:
> Artificer Armour
> Thunder Hammer
> Plasma Pistol

Or give him more or less any kind of relics you want. Like maybe The Armour Indomitus to make him tanky as fuck when he activates fury.

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>>52961811
I sure love my new monolith, can't wait to field it tomorrow.

>>52961816
Is it? Neat. I meant that it's weird because it's way more of a vehicle than any other terrain though.

>>52961823
Yeah, me too. I'd really enjoy being able to influence the battles in that way to help change around certain situations.

>>52961828
Nice anon

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>>52961811
I'm pretty garbage at painting but I did this little guy. Making an exalted right now.

>>52961879
Looks decent enough to me!

>>52961879
Model looks good man, id only suggest washing your base and drybush it, takes 2 mintues and will make the whole model pop

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>>52961811
Technically I finished a Dunecrawler since then but I haven't taken a picture of it.

>>52961919
Yeah, I plan on doing that for all my armageddon dust base models soon, though I left my agrax and a few paints at a buddy's home while we were painting together so I'll have to wait.

>>52961161
Is Khorne a humans Khaine? (but doesnt gives a fuck about his creator race)

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>>52961811
Minor update, finished all the Sybarite Green highlights on boat and crew, started the Gauss Blaster Green highlights. You can see it on the front 3 panels of the boat and the Kabalites. (My paint recipe is in prime product placement mode for the picture.)

>>52961879
>Garbage at painting
Nah, anon. You're doing great. Staying inside the lines and the paints look decently thin to me. You're 80% there. My input is probably to try and highlight with a brighter gold. It seems a bit coppery for 1kSons.

>>52961103
anyone know where i can download the hours heresy book supplements? looking for book 7, inferno, in particular

>>52961377
>Holy shit I am definitely going to buy this set

>people think the bigmarines are going to be a special unit and not just mk.IX
Face it marinelets, your old models will look tiny.

>>52961962
They look so pretty

>>52961419
I don't think GW was stupid enough to let Cruddace touch Tyranids again, considering they seem to be generally aware of the problems with past editions and are actively looking to fix those with 8th.

>>52961936
Where would we be without agrax i wonder

>>52962017
anyone have a good pic of them yet?

>>52961962
Always thin your paints, lord duncan watches over us

>>52962017
It's Mk X.

Much like the Windows OS, and WHFB editions, 9th just disappeared.

>>52962067
leisure suit larry 4 would be my go-to example of it

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>>52962059
The old leak has now been confirmed legitimate (look at Grombrindal) and it's a pretty good pic

Confirmed by 40k facebook page, Tau, Necrons and Dark Eldar still do not get psychic powers.

>>52962100
Dredd's bolt pistol also is with Grombrindal.

>>52962114
Xenos get cucked yet again.

>>52961649
GW has a twitch?

>>52962114
>they get Markerlight, Reanimation and Combat Drug phase instead

>>52961579
Is this legit?

>>52962158
No, it's shitposting.

>>52962148
WarhammerTV, though his claim about marines rebelling is just a shitpost.

>>52962100

Wait how does Grombrindal confirm nu-marines?

>>52962212
The White Dwarf anniversary model where he's wearing power armour has the same distinct kneepads as the leak that was posted a bit earlier as well as a couple of other leaks.

>>52962212
Look at that leaked picture and then look at the 40th edition Grombrindal mini.

>>52962227
Shit.

>>52961377
How long from release until first Ork loot conversion?

>>52961763
>NL
>controlling night fighting

As cool as that is, that's not really their thing. They obviously like to attack at night because A) their home world was always dark all the time and B) they don't play fair. They're more about FEAR, so I can see them fucking with the new battle shock tests and possibly fucking with reinforcements because they like to hack into vox networks and REEEEEE the box waves.

>>52962225
>>52962227
The bolt pistol and chest plate are in the new style, as well.

>>52962247

The crane just might fit perfectly as a CC arm for a Stompa.

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>tfw all the top tier army owners are losing their shit about 8th
>tfw you're just happy when your *two* fucking codexes are being rolled into one

>>52962247
The smaller vehicle is pretty much already a grot tank, little conversion necessary.

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>>52962280
I just want my codex to stop being trash

>>52962280
Hasthat been confirmed, toasterfucker?

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>>52961377

>post yfw you're an Ork Player and you see this

>>52962280
Only thing that really gets me is easy dominus and probably some kataphrons, the other models just look so dumb...

>>52962252
Ah yeah. I was thinking more of using some sort of Night Lords tech or something like that in order to try casting shadows over a place? I dunno where I was going with that.
With you reminding me about fear, maybe they'll be able to spend command points to amplify or have fearless penetrating fear or something along those lines?
>>52962052
I have no clue man. I'm seeing the effects of not having it with my progress on this basing being delayed though, so probably not in a good place.

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>>52962100
Amyone has a Rubric marine size comparaison pic ?
I always hear how tall they are but no pics.
Will my numarines tower The Heretics ?

>>52962319
>left 6'0
>right 5'11"

>>52962307

meh, just in the army lists on 40k.com

>>52962280
I swear to god, if they completely fuck up my daemons but don't get rid of the cancerous Tzeentch rules I'm going to throw a fit.

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>>52962319
Too lazy to grab any of my other units (Necrons), and also too lazy to get a good picture so here's a quickie for you anon. Hope this helps.

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>>52962366

Don't worry, they seem to be onto Tzeentch cancer.

>>52961377
That train is very cute

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>>52962366

>if they completely fuck up my daemons
>if

:DDD fugg

>>52962378
>daemon waac faggotry btfo

>>52962378
>>52962387
Daemons on suicide watch lmao

Rejoice! The Tau theme song has been found at long last!
https://youtu.be/yzC4hFK5P3g

>>52962482
>Weeb shit
The boot fits.

>>52962387
>>52962422
Fuck them. Years of pain, humiliation, flying iron arm 2++ 2+ 4+ fnp dp, 40 warp charges every turn summoning cocksuckers. Soon i will have my revenge. I will crash those faggots with my mc lemans baneblade and basilisks. I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84ZbXK1xY_4&ab_channel=BadAsh227

>>52962387

>spelling it demons

I've lost motivation to paint my dudes because I'm not sure what will work in 8e.

Help me get motivated /40kg/. I play IF

Ok, So anyone else hate the stupid breastplates that the Tempestus Scions have? Like the old Kasrkins looked so much better.

>>52962318

Night Lords don't really make it dark, though. That's fucking Necron/Deldar level tech, actually. Sure, they might cut the power of they're assaulting a fortification or cruiser, but not like what you're talking about. Besides, they're not organized enough for that shit and other warbands would likely fight for it.

Night lords will probably have Raptor Troops again, and give big Ld penalties, considering a NL Raptor Talon and Terror Pack with the minimum number ofnunits can potentially give a -7 to fear checks with the current rules. Then, I could see command points being used to fuck with Fearless/ATSKNF.

>>52962554
A true son of Dorn scorns listbuilding! He adapts what tools he has to the situation at hand!

Strong arms, stout hearts and bolterfire can persevere in any edition!

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What's the comparison between 40K arms and armor and real life arms and armor? I know its all somewhat fuzzy and one GW writer will write something different to another, but can we get a rough equivalence?

Ideally using RHA (Rolled Homogeneous Armor - standard WW2 style tank armor)

Something like:
Space marine armor - 100mm of RHA
Terminator armor - 200mm of RHA

Lasgun - 5.56×45mm standard nato assault rifle (I doubt it would be.22 equivalent - no military in its right mind would have a .22 equivalent as its standard arm)
Heavy Stubber - .50 cal machine gun
Bolt gun - 20mm autocannon
Heavy Bolter - 40mm autocannon (like a bofors)

Has anyone done a round comparison to real life equipment?

PLASTIC SISTERS WHEN?

>>52962596
I don't know about RHA, but your small arms comparisons are pretty much on point.

>>52962596

>I know its all somewhat fuzzy and one GW writer will write something different to another, but can we get a rough equivalence?

God, not even slightly. There is not even the slightest lining up of anything even between the same codex in other editions.

>>52961811
Semi-finished, another batch of 3 stealthsuits. Looking forward to painting my custom Shadowsun most of all as I spent a while coming up with a design for her and the only stealthsuit bits she uses are the legs. Superproud of it.

>>52962554
Heavy bolters will probably have -1 to armor. I think sterns and thunderfire will be top tier choice.

>>52962591
I have a centurion I keep picking up, painting for like 10 minutes, and then putting down because it looks like I make so little progress

>>52962631
I have a lot of sternguard I just dunked a few days ago.

Damn primer always clumps up.

>>52961811

>check em

>>52962616
perhaps just using one codex as an example? do they ever mention how effective space marine armor is compared to any real world stuff? like how much steel it might be equivalent to?

>>52962651
Not really. I think there were some attempts to do so with tanks, but GW isn't good with numbers, so the values they listed were pitiful to the point of being nonsense if accurate.

>>52962632
Such is war -- the endless grind against your enemy's defences. But it is in these small increments that we achieve our final victory.

Looking to start a small elite force after my guard army. Those new nurgle models are looking sweet, how are they looking for 8th?

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>>52961110

>>52962355
those aren't army lists. Its just factions from a fluff perspective.

GW have confirmed on facebook comments that khorne deamonkin are still getting updated rules even though they aren't listed as a distinct faction there.

>>52962683

Why do people keep asking how shit looks for 8th? We literally have no fucking idea because 8th isn't out yet.

Is this the new bait?

>>52962596
Bolters are .75 caliber two stage munitions.

Heavy Stubbers are quite literally 50s.

>>52962706
There's a lot of people that don't seem to be paying any attention to 8th ed news and don't know anything beyond the fact that it exists.

>>52962601
never

>>52962683
We have absolutely no idea. They'll probably be fine, since Nurgle stuff is gonna be high-toughness MEQ more likely than not.

2 wound toughness 5 terminators will be sweet, especially if they still have Feel no pain or something similar.

If you can find somebody to split the box with, or are alright with doing some conversions, the starter set will also be a good deal.

I'd say to go for it if you like Nurgle and like the models.

>>52962683
No idea, literally no one outside of GW knows and maybe not even them.

>>52962670
I would love to see how much punishment a suit of space marine armor could take - could it take a .50 cal hit, what about a 20mm hit?
If my weapons comparisons are right, and a bolter is equal to a 20mm autocannon, a bolter only has a 0.08% chance to kill a space marine in one shot - so its likely space marine armor could consistently cause 20mm rounds to ricochet - which is pretty damn good.

The average old school 20mm cannon can penetrate 20mm of armor at 100m (going by WWII german 20mm)
So space marine armor would be equivalent to something significantly thicker than that - possibly at least 45mm

>>52962712
they just need to publish the main rules packet since that's obviously done and let people chew over it rather than this teaser bullshit

simply put a notice that we get actual army profiles and rules on release day.

>>52962482

That's aurally and visually what you experience when hit by a Sonic Blaster and you know it.

>>52962722
Seeing as in 8th ed, even a Lascannon isn't guaranteed to penetrate power armour, I'm not sure you even reasonably can compare it to any modern armour.

So, who won that SoB vs Tzeentch on the live stream yesterday? I'm sure tzeentch shit on them, but I'm kinda curious. Hell, I kinda want to watch it.

>>52962596
>Has anyone done a round comparison to real life equipment

no direct RHAe figures have been given by GW or FW.
consider this, only a rough comparison but about as close as we can get. A russes 180-200mm of plasteel is roughly equivalent to an abrams 1600mm RHAe.
Autocannons are directly stated to be equivalent to modern tank guns, the Battlecannon is an autocannon of comparable calibre to the abrams 120mm and fires comparable munition types. Abrams on abrams fire is about the samenas russ vs russ in the fluff. Explosive rounds are useless, you need to use the APFDS rounds to reliable penetrate. There are some materials and explosives discrepancies but they would lie in the russes favour, like how Imperial APFDS rounds have an admantium penetrator instead of DU.
Yes its a backwards design but its saved by 40ks hax materials.

>>52962771
SoB won

"Guilliman displayed several "miracles" after his rebirth, his mere presence was able to cure any afflicted with a Nurgle-created blindness-inducing illness."

Guilliman is Jesus now

>>52962771
I think SoB won. The daemons blasted a couple squads, then the sisters and Celestine got close and just mowed them down

>>52962784
>1d4ttor

Nurgle cured people in order to trick Guilliman on wasting his time walking around camps "healing" people.

>>52962782
>>52962785

Well fuck. Color me surprised, though it sounds exactly how my friend describes watching me play, which is it looks like I'm losing until I actually teach my opponent and begin shitting on them.

However, I'm sure the daemons player wasn't summoning anything, so there's that.

Is there a possible link to watch it anywhere?

>>52962387
>>52962378
Some sommoning is needed, because your foot slogging units won't survive a trip across the board, but it won't be if they improve melee.

Are they going to get of the split rules?
I really hope they do but in my heart I know they won't.

>>52962596
>but can we get a rough equivalence?

No. You're dealing with a company that canonically wrote that the Tau built an empire and fought off the Imperium when they didn't have Faster Than Light travel. If you compress the Tau Empire down so that there's only 1 light year between them, that means T'au gets word of the Damocles Gulf Crusade right when it finishes.

Real world comparisons flat out do not make sense in 40K, for a combination of the fluff writers not knowing much hard science or anything much about weapons, and crazy space tech. I mean, we could point out that canonically a Leman Russ has less armour than an Abrams but then you throw in that the Russ is made of futuristic metals and any comparisons go out the window.

>>52962806
Man, if only every single unit in the Daemons codex had deep-strike by default or something.

Newfag here. With 2 wound termies coming up, are footslogging termies with storm bolters, assault cannons and powerfists going to be viable again?

>>52962806

You can still have summoning. You just have to pay. As you fucking should.

>>52962722
space marine armour would really vary in effectiveness depending on location. he big, thick and rounded Pauldrons, breastplate and greaves are likely tough enough that you need true anti-tank weapons to defeat. Thinner bits like vambraces are probably vulnerable to midrange autocannons or anti material guns. Real weakpoints like the neck or elbow joints can probably be beaten by standard battlerifles.

A marine can potentially be beaten by small arms, but on the battlefiekd you're going to have to throw hundreds of hits into him hoping for dumb luck to find a weakspot. If you want to relaibly take them out quickly you're going to use anti tank Munitions.

>>52962826
Depends on a lot. You still won't want them marching across the table, since they're slower now, but deepstriking them into a backline position might work out nicely. The extra wounds mean they're a lot harder to take out with infantry guns, and they'll have a better chance to survive AP 2 weapons. If plasma still only dishes out 1 wound, they'll be in a good place.

>>52962826
Termies of all shapes and sizes will be more viable I wager, with even AP1 weapons giving them a 5+ save. Dunno about small arms fire though.

>>52962826
Probably better with assault termies still, as ranged looks a lot less powerful compared to melee.

>>52962845
I hope they make cataphractii more than just strictly worse custodes

>>52962850

I hope they give CSM Tartaros... Loyalists shouldn't fucking get reaper autos. That's our shitn

>>52962825
>deep strike
>have to sit around in a small circle while they shoot you
>overwatch
>and then strike first because no assault grenades
Such is the life of a pure khorne army.

>>52962827
You mean as assistence dependent deepstrike?
I don't care about summoning if they make melee viable.

>>52962768
well a NATO round can't penetrate 20mm of steel... (or it couldn't last I checked...)

I'm comparing space marine armor to vehicle armor which I thought would be more appropriate

>>52962871
Good news, Overwatch is gone, and you strike first always when charging as well. You'll probably even be able to charge out of deep-strike, now that Falling Back means you can't tie up shooting units, so the excuse of it being 'unfair' doesn't apply.

>>52962884
The thing to consider is that space marine armor does have a powerfield to it, which pretty much means that there's an extra layer of resistance on top of what the materials are made of.

>>52962889
I wonder what the drawback to deep striking will be.

>>52961449
I painted just yesterday so there

>>52962832
could a terminator take a hit from a 17pdr though?

Thats the core of what I want to know

17pdr could penetrate around 170mm of armor at about 100m. So its pretty damn brutal for a WWII era anti tank gun. Would pop a tiger from the front, no biggie.

But could a terminator take that kind of firepower?

>>52961649
What about the Deathwatch? They rebelling too?

>>52962898
If it's like AoS they'll not be allowed to move and have to be placed at least 10" or so away meaning you need a 10+ to charge.

>>52962898
perhaps one or more of
unreliable arrival, pentalty to hit that turn, reduced charge distance or largish minimum distance from enemy units.I

>>52962898
Mishap table, mostly likely. Since scatter dice are gone I am guessing you never scatter but you'll mishap way easier.

>>52962114
I was betting on some auxiliary psyckers for the tau...

>>52962914
Hmm...looks a bit similar to the Leman Russ vanquisher, so for comparison there it might have a good shot.

Of course, a Terminator also has an Invuln to represent just how impenetrable their armor is. So in the end, I would say that Terminator armor could definitely take a hit from one, but probably wouldn't take too many and stay standing.

>>52962928
That sounds like just an infiltrate (accept not in the first turn)

>>52961579
>the city of Chaos and Xenos Hordes

What went so fucking wrong?

>>52962935
I'd only see that happening if you deepstrike too close, otherwise its far too punishing if you can't safe deep strike.

>>52962845
>with even AP1 weapons giving them a 5+ save.
You mean like exactly how they've been for ages?

>>52962918
Nobody is rebelling. GW has not revealed anything story related.

>>52962958
It really depends on what AP2 translates as, if it's -3 then there won't be much of a change other than the number of wounds they have, if it's just -2 then they'll have a slightly better save against plasma.

>>52962914

Is there anything stronger than Terminator armour? And I'm not talking about Indomitus Pattern Terminator Armour. I'm talking about Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour integrated with the Black Carapace and Crux Terminatus and used by a elite member of the Iron Hands Adeptus Astartes bearing the Gorgan's Chain.

>>52962939
Idea for film: 1 terminator squad and 1 Space marine squad deep strike into Allied-held Germany in WWII, and start slaying everyone for being heretics

>>52962972
>Is there anything stronger than Terminator armour?
my feelings for your mother :^)

>>52962794
Can't wait for the next part of their crazy plan.
>Khorne calms down wars and attrocities to waste G's time
>Tzeench makes things dull and predictable to waste G's time
>Slaanesh is gutted and won't survive 8th edition

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>>52961702
>Warriors are good
>swarmlord>hive tyrant

>>52962970
Lascannons are -3.

Plasma will be at least -3 if not better.

>>52962979
The idea was that he would go to one world, the plague would vanish, then he'd get word of it affecting another world, and go there, and the plague would crop up on the first again.

Thus, he'd be caught in a constant cycle of 'curing' things while his people suffered, and thus he would ultimately get caught in a stagnant loop.

Very Nurgle.

>>52962914
no hard numbers to back it uo but the impression i get is, potentially at long range. Add the sheild generator and you're probably surving long range, but not close.

Terminator armour is focused on resilience to the ultimate extreme, they're militarised versions of suits used to perform

>>52962983
Yeah I wasn't even going to bother responding since it won't matter in a couple months, but anyone calling Warriors good is a fucking retard.

>>52962889
>Overwatch gone
When did they say this?

>>52963043
They didn't but it's very very likely.

I would prefer if they bring back the 2e Overwatch rules like SW:AG uses.

>>52963036
used to perform maintance in running starship reactors/engines that is.

So do you think regular units will still be able to deny, or will it only be pskers denying in 8th?

>>52963098
I get the feeling it'll only be psykers and units that get a special rule to do so.

>>52961221
There was that Blood Raven psyker in one of the Death Watch boxes.

>>52963098
How would non-psykers deny?

>>52961181
>chainmail loincloth and a hanging 10kg chunk of metal shaped like the Inquisition emblem
I really do like the 40k aesthetics

>>52963098
Given what we've been told so far, it's likely that non-psykers are going to have to suck it up now unless they have unique special rules. Which is perfectly fine by me, since the non-psyker armies tend to be stupidly strong in other ways, they can use the weakness.

HH admech get tons of cool toys, why is 40k admech so shit compared to it?

>>52963098
the psychic phase article specifically mentions psykers as attempting to block powers.

So I'd consider that pretty much confirmed that you need psykers to block.

>>52963156
As much as I like my AdMech army it really feels like GW kinda half assedly came up with just enough to call it an army. Also, whoever came up with the rules for the Electro-priests is an idiot.

>>52963156
fluff wise 40k admech still have the same toys, theyre just not as common.

>>52963166

Which leaves Tau, Necrons and DE in an odd spot.

Wonder if they'll give them some wargear or rules that lets them Deny the Witch like Psykers do.

Tau: Warp Energy Stabilizer, technobabble device developed after Tau research into Warp
DE: Psykerstone, basically the bound soul of a Farseer.
Necrons: Null Field Generator, miniature version of the Pylons.

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>>52962299
Soon anon, soon

Soon all will be reduced to balance.

Soon... we get Age of 40k

>>52963222
Good thing my Tau found some quiet ladies with huge swords who just so happened to need a ride

>>52963222
Tau already have a Talisman Relic in Farsight Enclaves that gives Adamantium Will, but other than that Psyker stuff really should be a weakness for them.

Dark Eldar I don't think ever really had anything, but with Ynnari an Harlequins they do have some options. Maybe they could make Mandrakes into some anti-psyker unit using their weird Shadow-magic.

Necrons are probably the most deserving of having some actual psyker defense, though this is one where having it as a Wargear upgrade available to HQs and some other squads would actually work.

>>52963222
Tau should be completely vulnerable to psychic powers. Racial diversity means at least one race needs to really especially suck in that area, and they are prime fluffwise.

Dark Eldar already have some relics and items meant for psyker-busting, like the Haemonculus stuff, I expect those to get better probably.

Necrons I can see having some decent defenses too, maybe better at countering powers but less dangerous to the psykers themselves than the Dark Eldar stuff.

That's how it SHOULD be, anyway.

>>52963222
necrons already have an antipsyker upgrade for tomb spiders.

Tau could just get psyker kroot again or the Nicassar could get 40k rules.

though to a certain extent they can just deal with it, armies should have weaknesses.

>>52963245
And this, gentlemen, is an example of a fluff-disgracing WAAC faggot who you should not play against.

>>52963130
Same as they do now.

>>52963245
>allying XENOS and IMPERIUM armies
Not in matched play lmao

>>52963268
Man careful you don't cut yourself on that edge, faggot. If the dude wants to play models, fucking let him. Dickheads like you are the real people you should avoid playing

>>52963180
The thing is we don't get any of them on the tabletop. Even the guard gets a few Heresy Era vehicles toys.

>>52961161
Shall we expect some khorne love at this 8th edition? I mean, world eaters/KDK armies would be able to assault and fuck things better than now?

>>52963284
pretty sure forgeworld have said to just use their 30k rules for 40k.

>>52963287
They're going to be ridiculously strong with the new charge rules and striking first.

>>52963289
No, fires of cyraxus is just eternally delayed

>>52963289
30k units aren't really balanced, points wise, for 40k as far as I'm aware. I did forget you can technically bring some 30k Knights as allies but that's about as close as we can get.

>>52963297
It was probably just delayed for 8th ed.

>>52961879
Saved for my own TS. Good job anon.

Is there any suggestion with this rumoured Death Guard inclusion in the starter box that the models are monopose like DV?

I'm a DG player and I'm excited about this, but I don't want monopose trash.

>>52963250
Crons do have the gloom prism, it's just that adamantium will wasn't very useful.

>>52963318
The starter set is most probably monopose, but I think the AoS starter set will be the model they use going forward, so we'll probably get multipart kits soon afterwards.

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>>52962059

>>52963318
monopose is there new thing, its easier to design and mould. Which sucks, the customizable poses were part of what got me into 40k.

>>52963283
t. assmad taufag
Fuck off out of here with your WAAC apologist shit. Putting SoS in a Tau army is tantamount to cheating and completely against the spirit of the narrative driven game.

>>52963257
Really depends on how impactful psykers are. I doubt we'll see the psychic deathstars and summoning cheese is out so it's really not as important to be able to shut it down.

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>psyker dread
Beautiful

>>52961377
>€32.50 europoors
I honestly really like this, modifying the small claw tractor to have a smaller grip and it's be perfect. First bit of the industrial stuff I think is worth having.

>>52963357
I'm probably getting one for 40k, I'll homebrew the rules if I must.

>>52961377
So many conversion possibilities.

HAHA TIME FOR HERETEK

>>52963343
>Which sucks, the customizable poses were part of what got me into 40k
Eh, with the ease of working with pkadtic customizing is still pretty easy.
But out of the box we generally get better more dynamic poses now.

>>52963357
As much as I don't really like the Contemptor chassis over the Mk V FW are doing some really nice things with them lately.

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Is 8e advancing the storyline?

>>52961377
Hot DAMN, that's cool and surprisingly cheap. I wish that one towing the crane was bigger and had a cargo bay, though, because that was a good opportunity to make an Admech Transport for pretty much exactly what we want it for.
Still getting it for making a billion conversions, though. Would make an excellent Trojan for an IG army's enginseers.

>>52963422
Yes.

>>52963422
I'd love for there to be more information on the Ghoul Stars but at the same time that would probably defeat the entire point.

>>52963422
Man, must suck for the blood angels, they're the only founding chapter on their side of the SHITFUCK RIFT.
Unless Handmanus and The whtie scars are over there too

>>52963351
lel, I'm actually the Taufag but I'm about as far from WAAC as it gets because I run mobile infantry. The whole reason I play Tau is because I loved the lore of a space faring empire who made an honest effort to co-exist with others rather than straight up conquering them and if you knew the lore of the sisters post-heresy you'd know that some settled on the fringes of the Imperium and it's very possible for a Tau diplomatic convoy to try and establish a truce and with the return of Guilliman and the lessening of tensions regarding xenos they'd be more willing to accept (with one eye open of course)

>>52963444
>Chogoris, a first founding planet isn't on the map
>Fucking Rynn's World is

Goddamn GW, why you hate us?

>>52963444
On the bright side, any nids that turn up over there will have difficulty getting to Terra.

>>52963444
White Scars homeworld of Chogoris is just south of the galactic center, and is currently getting fucked up the ass by the Red Corsairs. Medusa is on the same side of the storms as Baal though.

>>52963456
>any nids that turn up over there will have difficulty getting to Terra.
Can they not go over or under it? I mean, the galaxy is a three dimensional space.

>>52963422
Is there a similar modern version with the Tyranid fleets overlayed

>>52961811
I was going to tell you to"thin your paints you mongoloid" but he looks so jazzy I'll let it slide.

>>52963472
At the very least getting around it would probably slow them down, assuming the Shadow in the Warp doesn't outright cancel the storms out.

>>52963472
You aren't wrong, but the galaxy is a plane and 40k tends to exaggerate this

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Sup /40kg/
Recently I've been getting more and more into the novels of the 40k universe. So far I've read a couple of horus heresy, last chancers and ciaphas cain.
Most of those feature the imperial guard they seem pretty badass alright, but I'm wondering if I should continue reading badass imperial guard lore, or check something else out.
Any thoughts?
also, does anyone have the imperial infantryman's handbook?

>>52963484
Not with nids though, hive fleet leviathan is noted for going around the underside of the galaxy.

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>>52963317
Although I wouldn't say I'm good, thank you anon. Good luck with your Sons!

>>52963529
Yeah well obviously every faction could detour around it.

>>52963437
I remember when everyone was like 'I'd love to know more about the Horus Heresy! It sounds so cool'.

Don't use the monkey's paw.

>>52962871
And deep strike will probably now just be 'set up x distance away from the closest enemy models' a la AoS

>>52963590
>scatterless DS
i dont buy it: there are already models with locator beacons on them, so what would happen to them?

>>52961377
so is it just me or am I the only one who looks at that hauling train and thinks combine it with a rhino for a cheaper 30k admech transport?

>>52963603
Probably let you deep strike closer than normal.

>>52963422
Do Necrons still have their own brand of FTL in this setting you think or are they as screwed as everyone when crossing warp storms?

I AM GOING TO JOIN CHAOS

FUCK YOU ALL

>>52963603
It's >>52963619
Once again AoS does this.
It's like the sigmarines were a test for the... space marines

>>52963631
>>52963619
humm. not too happy about that. the whole point of DS was it was risky and random, seem like it takes the fun out of it a bit

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>>52963628
> 2017
> joining chaos

>>52963631
So does everything deploy turn one in AoS, with this deep strike thing basically being infiltrate? I'm not familiar with AoS but I have concerns about the Elysians usual deployment style going away.

>>52963628
Welcome aboard son!
>t. alpha legion

>>52963641
>>52963628
I hope 8th edition gives them a good codex

>>52963645
>alpha legion
But you guys fuck yourself over constantly

>>52963641
That cat is too fat, like unhealthily so
kinda makes me mad

>>52963653
>But you guys fuck yourself over constantly
no anon, we constantly fuck over black legion. Reports of our loyalism are greatly exaggerated
:^)

Why are fucking devilfish 80pts? And why did they remove the Orca? It was perfect!

>>52963660
You guys still suck shit

Who the fuck wants to trust paranoid assholes who even backstab themselves?

>Alpha Legion gets an Imperium and Chaos codex

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>>52963628
Did your dad disappoint you too?

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>>52963660

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>>52963631
Welcome aboard. What legion, assuming you go with a main legion?

>>52963661
They usually drop things that don't sell very well.

>>52963676

>Alpha Legion gets an Imperium and Chaos codex
but anon, we already have a imperial codex: codex: ultramarines

>>52963700
Woops, meant for >>52963628

>>52963704
Oh god why

>>52963628
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_pc7ncXzgU

>>52963700
Uuuuhh... The one with cute animals and nice color armor!

>>52963645
Fuck off loyalist

>>52963351
SoS, ideologically, would probably get along better with the Tau than with the Imperium.

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>>52963628
Chaos Eldar when?
Chaos Orks when?
Chaos Sisters when?
Oni Tau when?

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>>52963628
WELCOME BROTHER

>>52963776
SoS are ideologically aligned most closely with the loyalist primarchs and oldest space marines. That's why they immediately came back into service when Guilliman rung them up.

>>52963744
Ah Space Yifffs. You don't heresy in half measures I see, but go balls deep. I like that

>>52962601
Summer

>>52963792
This image is lacking in piercings and festering scars.

Seeing sister with a painful face is also always a plus.

>>52963817
>implying Sisters can't look beautiful
Meme magic, anon.

>>52963222
Necrons have tomb spiders and DE are getting folded in to Ynnari so they will have farseers.

>>52963792
No, no, no. please don't reduce everything to black and white, they've been doing that enough already, keep 40k morally grey.

>>52963899
How do you know that they act black and white? Only Chaos Sisters would act like cartoon villains.

>Chaos Eldar are from that one Craftsworld that Maugen-Ra saved and then they got almost wiped out when other CW Eldars found out that they are corrupted by Chaos
>Sold their souls to Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle to save them from Slaanesh

>Chaos Orks dismissed Gork and Mork and worship other gods instead
>act like mercernaries for Chaos factions

>Oni Tau
Their own enlightened faction trying to backstab the Tau Empire and Farsight Enclave

>>52963929
chaos are cartoon villains.

Is Dawn of War 3 a MOBA?

>>52962803
Classic SoB. They usually win on turn 3.

What is surprising is that he won with a garbage list. Rhinos, Dominion squads with flamers. Battle Sisters squads with meltas. No escort for Celestine and the Repressor was used for some poorly equipped Battle sister squad.

The angle of filming, and the annoying guys commenting on the background was a buzzkill.

>>52962928
If this is the case, all the pots + flamer would be useless, since flamers only have 8" now.

>>52963929
Dark Eldar Slaanesh cultists are my favourite little possibility. Taking the whole "use pain to patch up your soul" thing to its extreme and straight up use the souls of other creatures to bargain for your own soul.

Of course, it would never actually work, Slaanesh doesn't give a shit but the desperation of the Dark Eldar knows no fucking bounds.

>>52963929
But anon Chaos is a cartoon villain. Just for you to laugh an entire black crusade was made just so Abaddon could backstabb his ally. While other BC was won by Orks

He is cartoony evil the Character. At least trazyn excuse is that he is a plot moving character like the collector from Marvel

>>52964026
Please don't ruin Dark Eldar.

Who know some regular Warhammer 40k rules (maybe fan-made) about old chaos aircraft - Doomfire Bomber, Swiftdeath Fighter and Harbringer Heavy-Bomber?

>>52961441
>4th ed Nid player
>spinegaunts are 5pts each
>field 600 points worth
>That's 120 models just in troops choices
>give them 'Without number' so they just keep respawning

Don't think about how demoralising a big force is for you. Keep yourself motivated by focusing on how demoralising your opponent will find it.

>>52963991
yes

>>52963942
>>52964030
IGfags, please. We already know you guys are butthurt that Creed jobbed and Stubbs is a fucking fraud.

>>52964038
bump

>>52964056
>Plays IG coz they are the men of the Imperium!

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>>52961672
The old WH faith system options would be a great starting point.


The old shield power could be boiled down to "Spend X faith points, the target unit with the AoF keyword are not affected by rend until the start of your next turn."

Sisters going full mature dashing across the field into enemy fire was one of the best heroic moments of my first Apoc game with my sisters. I'd love to have something like that back in some form.

>52964068
>52964038
bumping after 5 mins
>no (you) for (you)

>>52964035
Come on man, you gotta embrace that fear that motivates all Dark Eldar. That dread. That possibility that this time, when you die, you won't wake up in a flesh pit with a Haemonculus tending to you but in the realm of She Who Thirsts.

Imagine it, instead of the namby pamby bullshit about not really knowing what happens when you die. All Dark Eldar know what will happen to them when they die for real, they are at the mercy of Slaanesh for all of eternity.

God it's so fucked up, that one of the most arrogant, aristocratic races, those who embrace a disregard of all others in the pursuit of personal advance are all motivated by fear and desperation.

There's no way at least one group hasn't tried the Slaanesh cult route, at least once. Considering what we know about other Dark Eldar that have tried to summon daemons to attack their enemies it likely ended quickly and bloodily, but hey when you're trying to save your immortal soul there's a lot of fucked up shit you consider reasonable, especially if you're Dark Eldar.

>>52964133
Please don't ruin Dark Eldar.

Just create another Eldar faction who suck Slaanesh cock.

>>52964041
>Pick up nids in 7e as my first actual foot into the game because they look cool
>120 gaunts
>Every game
>Without fail
I don't win a lot but people play significantly worse when there's that many models at 750 points

>>52961811
Taking a break after completing a new squad and looking for a chance to seal them. Damn you, Florida. Double Damn you global warming. Triple Damn sealant being toxic in enclosed spaces!

But I do plan on starting to build another squad of guardsmen. This time I'm hoping to give them a "Walking Wounded" feel.

>>52964041
>templates gone
>120 gaunts
>checkerboard unit placement
>endless pain

>>52963478
His paints look fine to me. But he could go a bit deeper with a detail brush on that belt.

Also, Fonz Marines are not the best stealth experts.

>>52964133
Dark Eldar refers to Commorrites, and any psyker activity, Chaos worshipping or communication with daemons is ruthlessly suppressed in the City. Even if you think it's in your interests to suck up to Slaanesh, every other Eldar in the city is going to treat you as an existential threat to their existence for drawing Her attention to them and your odds of being brutally and creatively murdered will immediately soar to spectacular new heights in a city where bloody assassination is already the most popular sport, state religion and favourite hobby of most of it's inhabitants.

Eldar corsairs or other rogue Eldar groups might try to establish a Slaaneshi cult elsewhere in the galaxy but realistically you've got about as much chance of establishing a large cult in Commorragh as you have on a craftworld or the Imperial palace. One or two Eldar covertly worshipping maybe, but a cult large enough to field an army AND still secret enough to be able to use Commorragh as a base? Doesn't really fit with the fluff.

>>52964155
Mate, I don't want the Dark Eldar to snuggle up to that bitch. It's just a thing that's likely to have happened at some point for a small group given what their situation is. Some lower city gangs, minor nobles or some shit.

Snivelling cowardice in response to the whole "soul irreparably damaged for eternity" is not the Dark Eldar response to their circumstances, their attitude is way closer to "upraised middle finger" and I wouldn't have it any other way.

There exist multiple organisations within Commoragh whose main job is to make a mockery at even the possibility of death. Heck, the response of most Archons and Haemonculi to the impending doom of the city as a whole in a Disjunction was to just build more city and vaults full of pain slaves to hide in. I would not be surprised if most high ranking Archons and Vect had access to stolen spiritstones and Haemonculi were working on extracting souls out of said stones if worst came to worse and resurrection was still a possibility.

But let's not discount the lengths some lesser Dark Eldar, people like minor gangs and the parched might go to in order to 'save' their souls. Slaanshi cults in the undercity of Commoragh are a pretty solid possibility and probably arn't even the most fucked up things lurking down there.

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Thoughts on the new flamer rules?


Seems a bit meh at dealing with hordes, while godtier at single models.

Having a hardtime reading the idea behind this.

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>>52964241
>Thoughts on the new flamer rules?
I will crush my opponent under the weight of my hordes

>>52964041
IG
>25 men per minimal platoon
>30 more infantry
>50 more conscripts
>15 in heavy weapons teams
>120 Models...in a single troops choice.
We got five more slots to fill...


WE ARE THE GUARD! The Horde army of horde armies! I'm not even including the optional 18 special weapons troopers and I've already matched your entire troops section with one troops slot!

>>52963513
Soul Hunter Omnibus
You're welcome.

>>52963991
No, thats a meme

>>52964225
I feel you yeah, and in main-ish Commoragh it's bloody suicidal considering how thin the Warp is at times let alone, as you mentioned, the kind of self-preservation methods that everyone else would immediately invoke against you.

I get what you mean about the fluff thing, which is why it's just one of the 'Oh that'd be kinda cool' ideas I endorse every now and again.

I do feel that Commoragh, looking at the amount of sub-realms attached to it as well as the weird depth the city has, being built inside the webway, lends itself to a sort of infinite feel. When you consider that the most popular method of reproduction is cloning, there are a fuck-ton of Dark Eldar, as there would have to be to sustain the sort of body count Commoragh has daily.

>>52964241
permanent overwatch mode flamers

Not a fan. It makes my beloved hellhound less fun.

>>52964241
It won't make a real difference. You'd normally only get 3 or 4 hits per template anyway.

Seems fine really.

>>52964214
good fucking god, I didnt even think about how many nids can crawl up your asshole without templates. The bugs are back, send halp

>>52964293
you AVERAGED 3/4 hits. now your MAXIMUM is 3 hits. its a pretty hard nurf

>>52964306
It's D6 hits anon

>>52964312
well shit, dont i feel like a retard

>>52964306
>MAXIMUM 3 On a D6
>D6
>6
You either ate a lot of lead paint chips as a kid, or haven't looked at the flamer profile. I'm betting on the Paint chips personally.

>>52964350
chill out edgy cunt

>>52961579
Still going with terrain.

>>52964443
>Trillion years pass
>Rock mound is untouched
Best faction

>>52963604
You play 30k? Are Triaros good? I'm looking forward to them a lot in ia14.

>>52963814
shut up idiot