Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>52955601
First for the Imperial Guard regiment from Remus who has no name!

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Oy vey Emperor

The Sisters list they posted for the stream had an Avenger and a Repressor. Is this a good sign? Both are forgeworld and the Repressor isn't even available anymore.

my dudes > your dudes

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first for I hope eldar players mass commit sudoku when they eat the nerf bat in 8th.

>>52955601
First for no IG regiment based on Texans

If Magnus ran a bake shop, it'd be called the Thousand Buns

>>52955610

Kinda makes me want to create a "Sons of Cadia" regiment.

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I've got this really weird urge to start an emperors children army.

But the weird thing is, every time I masturbate the urge goes away.
Perhaps my subconscious is trying to tell me something?

>>52955629
Having a Repressor is a very good sign. While it might not mean a new kit, it at least means they'll update the rules, which is enough.

>>52955649
The Sensei aren't exactly welcome in the Empire.

>>52955629
I don't give a fuck about sisters but I would love if they brought Repressors back. Might motivate me to finish my Arbites conversions.

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>>52955601
>mfw 8th is turning out great
>mfw autists getting BTFO

8th edition best edition

>>52955651

I always wanted a Repressor, but they were gone by the time I had the money, and I don't trust chinaman because the mold is old as shit.

>>52955667

Kek

>shhh, they might release they are wrong...

>>52955638
That would make every change worth it.

Though I doubt Kelly would allow that to happen.

>>52955667
9th ed

WHEN
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>>52955601
If you're gonna put a cartoon there,
at least get a version of it without that fucking ugly watermark and film jitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR0eBWDVAtw

So, anyone yet to have their mind actually changed on 8th ed, for better or worse?

>>52955707
I was optimistic when it was announced and I'm still looking forward to it.`

If 40k weren't a tabletop game, what would it work best as?

>>52955719

A book

>>52955719
RPG

>>52955707
So far so good.

Love the fact that vehicles are mc's.

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I feel like the significance of Chaplains and the Chapter Cult is extremely understated, and it's a shame because I love Chaplains. In my opinion they're the most 40k thing about Space Marines other than Dreadnoughts, being giant warrior-priests wearing black space armor and skull helmets with pistols that shoot rockets and whose symbol of office is also a hammer. Chaplains are not just great warriors whom are second in command, but also spritual leaders and are responsible for keeping chapter traditions alive and teaching them to the initiates. They are responsible for whatever belief system is unique to the chapter, from honoring their Primarch and Emperor, worshipping local spirits, some form of ancestor worship, or in rarer cases such as the Black Templars, worshipping the Emperor as a god. Chaplains preach their own version of the Imperial Creed, which puts them at odds with the Ecclisiarchy, but they have a mutual agreement that the Ecclisiarchy gifts them Rosariuses and stay off of Chapter worlds, and they won't preach their version of the Imperial Creed off of their worlds. It's very interesting, and something to remember is that Space Marines call bolters and other things 'Holy' or 'Righteous', because, to them, they are. The spiritual/religious side of the Imperium's greatest warriors is very understated, in my opinion, and the Black Templars and especially the Dark Angels show it off very well.

Hey lads i am working on my imperial fists army and i cant decide between drop pods or rhinos which should i go with or should i do a combination of both

>>52955751
Drop rhinos

>>52955751
Drop pods are more dynamic.

>>52955707
I will judge it when I have read through it

>>52955751
Both

>>52955719
The only other thing that could properly capture the scope of the setting would be novels and we've all seen how well of a job BL is doing at that. Granted, it could work if they got enough good authors, and they'd need multiple ones just like they do now because there's no fucking way a single author could ever cover more than a single faction or force of the Imperium.

>>52955751
Razorbacks

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Which side will you join?

>>52955707
I didn't get to play 7th, so it is pretty rad to start in new edition with everybody else.
As AdMech slightly worried about psykers. But should they become mandatoty, I am planning on doing some enslaved brains in jars on tank threads for count as priests or something.

>>52955719
Went from expecting the worst to carefully confident it isn't going to suck gaint slaaneshy assdicks.

>>52955766
BL also should give all writers a proper list of groundrules of the setting. Seriously, how events went down changes each and every time it's written about.

>>52955707
Im expecting it to be the best edition the game has had, sure Eldar might still be the top dog like they've always been but now my army wont suck as hard as it has for the past 3 editions. From what they've shown us I think the game will be far more dynamic, less punishing in that weapons wont remove entire units in one turn but more punishing towards making bad decisions and having unsupported units going rambo.

I like it.

Is it true that you can assault from standard transports in the coming edition?

>>52955845
They haven't discussed transport rules yet.

>>52955629

I believe the sister army belongs to a guy who runs a 40k podcast or something like that. I can't remember the exact details, but they mentioned it on the stream.

I wouldn't read anything into it anyway seeing as he's not a GW staff member.

It sucks, all my exorcists are forgeworld because the metal model wasn't released at the time, but I never got any repressors and the eBay prices for them now are insane.

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>>52955601

xth for dante having more combat experience than robot gorrillaman

Should I build a Dragoon or Ballisistarii?

I've just started a Skitarii army and want to use as many of the walkers as possible. So far I've got my troops covered as well as 5 infiltrators.

Should I wait for 8th to see the new rules maybe?

>>52955886
Considering that some of the first space marines were created whilst the Primarchs were still floating through the warp in their incubators, guys like Khârn and Ahriman might actually be older than most of the primarchs.

Luther (that guy locked up in The Rock and out of his mind) is older for sure, but I doubt he had much chance to expand his combat experience :^)

>>52955909
Dragoons are the tits

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>tfw building Manticore with all the news about 8th
I'm pretty excited for my IG, new codex and I may actually see my friend's Wyches in action.

I wonder how D3 S10 AP4 5" Blast Ordnance is gonna translate into 8th. I've had fun tank hunting and deterring out of LoS clumping with them on TTS using Emp's Wrath.

>>52955951
Of I go then, cheers anon. I was leaning towards the taser-joust walkers anyway but I've suddenly went of Dunecrawlers so I need something to carry my heavy guns.

>>52955909
Dragoons.

>>52955667

Every morning I'm waking up and going through to my computer with a warm glow of anticipation, just to see what it is that they've revealed about 8th Edition today. I haven't felt this kind of anticipation in a long time. It's even motivating me to keep painting my Orks.

>>52955956
Probably 3d6 shots at S 10, -1 Rend, and 2 damage each shot. The 2 damage is assuming that they don't want weapons that fire a ton of shots like that to deal d6s of damage in order to avoid things getting confusing.

Overall, it'll probably be really nice for racking up a lot of wounds and whittling down vehicles through volume of fire.

>>52955886
Yeah but he's achieved fuck all despite being around for a gorillian years, aside from becoming fuckbuddies with the local xenos.

>>52955774
Chaos space marine. Either death guards or Thousand sons. I'm still thorn.

Who's the sexiest Primarch?

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>>52955774

>>52955956
God the damn, the pain of fielding a manticore agaisnt MEQ armies.

No longer a problem in 8th ed.

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>>52956020

>>52956020
Sangunius.

>>52955774
Probably scenery.

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Plastic Mk II armor when?

>>52955956

Remember that stats can go higher than 10 now. They've already stated that some weapons are going to have more than 10 Strength.

>Deathstrike becomes Str 20

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>>52955667

>austists BTFO
>nidfags BTFO
>sisterfags BTFO

8th is looking to be the best edition of 40k ever!

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>>52956080
>Grand Alliance: Aeldari
>War Scenery of The Grim Future

>>52955881

Yea, I know the feeling. Even chinaman doesn't have them except for I think Z, and its Z.

I made an exorcist out of a whirlwind, however its old and shitty because I didn't know what I was doing.

>>52956045
>Not Death Korps
Shameful.

I have a fluff question. I am new so please dont be rude.
Currently reading eisenhorn malleus so spoilers ahead. in the novel he hires an unouchable but comes very close to her and loves spending time with her. According to the wiki she should scare him away though especially because he is a psyker. However he even hugs her on several occasions. Is the wiki wrong?

Blood Angels set to be buffed through the stratosphere in 8th.
Flamers everywhere.
Charging units strike first.
Furiosos and Death Company Dreads are viable again.
Baal Predators with flamers.

It's been a rough two and a half years but it will have been worth it.

>Reading facebook messages on psychic phase
>One guy goes "durrhurr how will my summoning army work?"
>GW responds with "you one of those guys who likes thousands of points of extra daemons for free? Wassamatter? I thought you tzeentchians liked change ;^)"

Status:
[] Told Horrors
[] Tolders of Tzeentch
[] Told of Change
[X] Tzeentch, Architect of Tolds

Can anyone share Hand of Darkness audiobooks?

>>52956119
Iron will can overcome one's natural reaction if it's just a matter of discomfort or pain. See Emps and his harem of blanks. Also they come in varying degrees of blankness.

>>52956004
If its close to this I can imagine the amount of saves I can force someone to roll, with all the Autocannons I want to use.

>>52956055
Things are looking up! I can see a lot more units getting action. I wanna get some Bullgryn and experience those Power Mauls in action.

>>52955936
Kor Phaeron was the guy who found Lorgar as a baby. He guy's still fucking kicking!

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>>52955774

>>52956131
But their thing was I5 on the charge with red thirst, how does everyone now striking first help them?

>>52956208
It may even be more shots, depending on if the default for Large blasts is a d6 or 2d6.

Definitely good if you want to blow up a tank or a horde of medium infantry.

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>>52956118
>41st Millenium
>Still not mechanised

Steel Legion > 4Edgy2Me Korps

>>52956092
>Making saves at -4 on top of this
If Deathstrikes spill wounds into units that are too close to the original target its time to build an arsenal of nukes.

>>52956119
The level of blanks affecting psykers differs from individual to individual and mainly from source to source. You can chalk it to Eisenhorn's resolve and willpower, love interest, plot armour, story device or anything.

As someone new to the fluff, be ready for contradictions everywhere, mainly between TT rules and BL books. If you want to read something truly different, try the old Inquisiton Wars trilogy.

>>52956221
Furious Charge was their original shtick. The red thirst thing was just something they added on when the FC USR was changed to not modify initiative as well.

>>52956246
>Deathstrike
>3d6 shots on a unit
>2d6 shots on any unit within 6" of the primary unit
>massive strength
>5 Mortal wounds per hit

>>52956243
Life is cheap. Steel is costly.

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>>52956264
Like how they did the same thing for orks....

Oh wait

>>52956165
Please link I need this.

>>52955774
Part of me is Eldar and the other Imperial.

Blood Angels have the means to get to the enemy very quickly with fast vehicles and jump packs everywhere.

>>52956310
You're heresy

>>52956228
>depending on if the default for Large blasts is a d6 or 2d6
I imagine it would be d6, 2d6 would be scary if it meant regular blasts are d6 when things like Wyverns and Executioners with PC sponsons exist.

Maybe we'll see when they describe the shooting phase.

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>>52956304
Not him, but fresh hot BTFO right out of the oven.

>>52956338
Yeah. I do get the feeling it'll be d3 for small blasts and d6 for large ones. Maybe a +1 on some things, but still.

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>>52956165

>>52956345
At least they're self aware.

>>52956345

They've been fucking awesome desu.

>>52956345
I'm sure plenty of people will be grumbling about not getting free models onto the table, but those people are universally faggots, so it's cool.

Apparently this is a thing: http://natfka.blogspot.de/2017/04/8th-edition-starter-set.html?m=1

>natfka

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>>52956345
Ripped to shreds.

>>52956345
Is funny how they're being snarky about problems they caused in the first place.

>>52956382
I watched EgoQueenAlexis and she said she played a 1500 point game and ended the game with 3500 points.

Custodes Codex?

>>52956414
"They" is a nonsense term. GW is not an entity, it's a corporation under which different people work and have worked.

>>52956430
What pronoun would use for them, if not the third person plural?

>>52956414
>>52956430

They kinda forgot how many assholes actually play the game they make.

>>52956430
It's still not a good look to treat your customers like that.

>>52956407
I'm curious to see the new cultists, though since
the only Nurgle thing I have is a Chaos termie lord, it'll only be to see if they could fit as more generic Chaos dudes.

The only Nurgle thing I have is a Chaos termie lord.

>>52956465
GWm, GWer, GWem.

Check ur privleg

>>52956471
Neither is charging $35 for ten plastic army men but here we are.

>>52956471
Are you retarded? Sassy PR people are huge right now.

>>52956471

>t.thousands of free daemons for no points Tzeentch player

>>52956499
Really? Seems strange that people like being condescended to.

>>52956471
The thing is that for every 1 customer that would be upset by that snark, you've got 9 more who are nodding their heads in approval. Pretty much everyone knew how much BS all the things that got you free points were, one way or another.

>>52956538
It's funny, and it makers them seem more personable.

>>52956538

Give it up. Majority do not sympathize with shitty daemon players.

>>52956533
>>52956569
It's the attitude I find strange not making summoning cost points.

>>52956465
That's not what I meant at all, I'm saying the person who wrote that comment on the FB page, the people who designed the new rules, and the people who wrote the old 7th edition summoning rules, are not necessarily all the same person, so you can't say "they" are being snarky about problems "they" caused because that is two different "they"s.

>>52956538
Maybe people should quit being a bunch candy ass princesses and learn to take a joke.

If you're a WAAC fag who is whining about not having free points of demons, you can go fuck yourself - your need to win at toy soldiers is pathetic.

MORTAL WOUNDS CONFIRMED

WHO'S READY FOR D-SCYTHES DOING D6 AUTO HITTING MORTAL WOUNDS?

THAT'S 5D6 MORTAL WOUNDS FOR A SQUAD OF WRAITH GUARD

>>52956576
You lot are not paranoid enough. That was all staged for those against free points. There was no customer

>>52956538
Nah, it earns massive amounts of respect from the silent majority when they call people out for being dumbasses or dicks. 7th ed even had a line about being more about having fun playing than being competitive

>>52956538
The only people being condescended to are the shitters, that's the point.

The majority of the fans are glad for this change and they're not being condescended to with this remark, they're being vindicated.

The only people who would be upset at this snark are the assholes who think free summoning is balanced, ergo they get no sympathy, ergo the PR guys making the snarky remarks are considered the good guys.

Pay attention.

>>52956538
Think of it as an investment in their product. If people buy the models to play the game they don't want to play against people who would be offended by something so trivial. Composition effects of the player base is, in marketing, an underrate aspect of game appeal.

>>52956584
Obviously, but making such a distinction is stupid since the entire point of a PR department is to represent the entire company simultaneously.

>>52956584
They both operate under the same brand image, I just thought they'd be more diplomatic about it.

>>52956615
I think the fans are enjoying the ribbing desu.

>>52956345
>turning summoning into glorified deep strike
I'm fine with losing getting "thousands of points of free models," summoning as is definitely needs some restrictions, but we already have universal deep strike.
Limit summoning to one or two units per turn at most, or even make is scalar (so you'd only be able to summon one greater daemon, or 2 medium daemons like flamers or screamers etc. or 3 lesser daemons) but flatput making it just deep strike but you get to choose what you want just isn't that fun or unique when there's already so much deep strike in 40k.
I'm all for balance, but that feels like too much of a nerf in my opinion.

>all psykers can cast smite
>everyone js going to bring psykers
haha time for shadow in the warp

>>52956279
GW loves Marines. News at 11.

>>52956655
>SITW is actually going to do something
I'm so fucking pleased.

>>52956569
What about Daemon players who run pure assault armies and use Summoning to replace the dozens and dozens of models they lose trying to get down the table and into close combat?

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>>52956655
>tfw all my army can deny

>>52956649
It's more than deep strike. You also get to change your army list on the fly.

>>52956649
It depends on how it works in AoS, but I could see it still having advantages. For example, that you could summon the unit near the psyker and have the deep-strike be accurate, and possibly have the unit be at a slight discount to make up for the fact that you had to buy a psyker and cast a power less reliably.

>>52956683
Now all we need is sisters and black templars riding zoanthropes

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>>52955601
A bit of a off topic question:
Does anyone know where I can find some cut out kind of terrain like pic related, that I can print out on thick paper\cardboard and then glue or put together?
I'm looking mostly for just plain city blocks\urban terrain.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>>52956279
Blood Angels actually benefit from +1I.

>>52956649
Daemons are arguably the most OP army in the game right now (yes, more than Eldar).

No, it doesn't feel like "too much of a nerf" to take away their literally free points worth of shit.

Even formations are getting points costs now, and you can bet your ass all the formations that gave free stuff like Battle Company and War Convo are either totally reworked or completely deleted.

The whole game is being redone so we have no idea what power level daemons will end up being, but ostensibly they shouldn't need free points of summoned stuff to prop them up as a crutch anymore even if they were an unoptimized melee list.

>>52956728

If you want an idea of how daemons will work, specifically tzeentch, look at the Tzeentch AoS Battletome.

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>>52956345
>gw straight up telling the cancer that's been ruining 40k to fuck off.

No words, should've sent a poet.

>>52956694
That's probably going to be a hard sell for most people. I for one wouldn't want to buy 3-4 units of models just for summoning variation.

>>52956655
I'm looking forward to the psykers I bring having some nice shooting regardless of the table I pick. Plus the fluff of Smite is pretty generic, so I can have my guys shooting fire, lightning, or whatever else makes sense for them.

>>52956599
"The rules team behind the new game have taken the opportunity to rebalance a lot of the weapons in the game, and with the new armour modifier system and removal of the cap of 10 on Strength values, we’ve made sure that every weapon has its use on the battlefields of the 41st Millennium. D weapons, for example, are gone, and instead there is a scalable Strength and damage that matches the effectiveness you’d expect from every weapon."

In other words: D weapons will likely have high Strength and high Damage. No reason to believe they'll be mortal wounds on anything but maybe a 6 to wound.

>>52956745
It depends. I could see it being handy in small numbers, even for a mono-god list if you want to choose between the troop option or the fast attack option.

Where it isn't going to be viable is the lists that were built around only summoning 1 thing for more warp charges for more summoning

>>52956766
Yeah I have no problems with them ditching the old system.

>>52956694
>You also get to change your army list on the fly.
But that's really not that great of an advantage. Oh boy, I set aside some points so I could list tailor later on in the game if I need to, woohoo!
Like I said, it's not that I disagree that summoning needs to be reigned in, because it definitely does, but flat out making me give up a portion of my points so I can use them later on isn't fun for anyone. I have to out myself at what can end up being a major disadvantage so I might get an advantage later.
Like I said, I feel that limiting how much you can summon is a far better solution then making me give up points at army creation. That way summoning can't flood the board in free daemons, while also not forcing daemons players to gimp their starting lists just so they can choose some stuff later on.

>>52956615
It just rings hollow for me, feels like they're blaming the customer for GW's mistakes.

>>52956655
>all psykers but Tyranids can cast smite
FIFY

>>52956813
>t. owns daemon army

>>52956728
>Daemons are arguably the most OP army in the game right now (yes, more than Eldar).
Tournament results would disagree. Daemons rank second or third depending on the tournament, but eldar remain the kings of cheese.

>>52956804
It'd be the same thing if there was a limit on summoning. They would need to restrict it by just making the things that could summon more expensive to account for it, since otherwise it'll be really weak in large games and really strong in small ones.

You aren't 'gimping your list' by setting aside 200 points for a deep-striking unit that's actually one of 8 different deep-striking units any more than someone who is paying 200 points for one and only one deep-striking unit is.

>>52956834
I don't, I'm fully for removing free summons. What I don't like is GW not admitting they're the ones that fucked it up in the first place.

>>52956854
But, presumably, you still need to cast a Psychic Power to get that 200 point unit. And once you've used that 200 points, that's you done. You get that one unit and no further use of the power. Another player can cast a power every turn, steadily depleting your army over the course of the whole game.

They should have just made Summoned units die off in-game - give them an effective Ld of 2 and force a Ld/Battleshock/whatever test at the end of every turn.

>>52956817
That's not the case though. It's ALL Psykers.

If Zoanthrope broods keep the special rule that let's them shoot with psychic powers a number of times equal to the models in the unit they'll be a pretty fun Smite firebase.

>>52956877
They actually aren't denying it, they're poking fun at people who are complaining that they're fixing it.

>>52956804
I strongly disagree. Such a limitation either doesn't scale with army size or is inconsequential depending on how it's worded.

>>52956835
That's if you average out results over the last year or so. If you look at only recent stuff, Daemons are on top.

>>52956898
And in exchange for needing to cast a psychic power to bring them in, you get to choose what that unit is.

That's the advantage and tradeoff there. Another player can also just shoot you with guns.

Why does a psychic power need to generate free models too?

>They should have just made Summoned units die off in-game

At that point, you might as well have summoning just conjure up a squad of 10 Daemons that immediately charge a unit and then die off immediately afterwards, and then stat it up as a shooting attack.

>>52956854
>You aren't 'gimping your list' by setting aside 200 points for a deep-striking unit that's actually one of 8 different deep-striking units any more than someone who is paying 200 points for one and only one deep-striking unit is.
I most definitely am.
Besides what this anon
>>52956898
mentions, it presents a whole host of other problems. i'm now more likely to get tabled because I have less models, which means it's more possible I never get to use those set aside points. And what if I never get to use those summoning points, because the models who can summon die, or I set aside to many points and never use them for anything meaningful? Sure, you could say that's my fault for bad list building, but it's the exact same thing as something like a vehicle getting drop pod meltad in 7th: woohoo, I just wasted a ton of points because of bad game design by GW!
And the mere fact that I have to rely on a random dice roll to ensure that I get the agreed upon points amount for the game is idiotic. Limit summoning sure, but don't make it so that me getting 1500 points in a 1500 point game isn't contingent on 500 of my points being allowed in by a good roll. Because if I fail a test, now I'm playing 1000 points against 1500, and that's almost never fun.

There are daemon players here that are so spoiled by constantly getting hundreds or thousands of points of free units that they can't see how getting to list tailor in-game to your opponent's specific list and current board state is still a really good advantage.

Sad!

How did the Ecclesiarchy react to Guilliman?
How did Guilliman react to the Ecclesiarchy?

>>52956334
I know

And it feels good

Oh yeah, a phone app for army building. Any thoughts?

>>52956949
>And in exchange for needing to cast a psychic power to bring them in, you get to choose what that unit is.
You truly don't see on how a player getting the amount of points agreed upon being left up to chance is a problem? Getting to list tailor is not anywhere close to a good tradeoff for risking being down a significant amount of points compared to the opponent.
Might as well just spam mortal wounds with horrors then.

>>52957005
>Autists BTFO
>Xenos BTFO
>Daemons BTFO
>Sisters of Battle fans BTFO

Man are we sure GW isn't run by 4chan ? Top kek

>>52957005
Which is why summoning is such a popular tactic in Age of Sigmar now, right?

Thats like bitching about reserves or outflanking. You chose to start with less on the table for the benefits summoning provide.

>>52957011
Summed up by saying Horus should have fun so we wouldn't suffer today.

>>52956999
You know this is how it works for literally everyone that has units in reserve right? You start with fewer units on the table and rely on dice rolls to get them out onto the table. The only real difference here is that the summoning unit can die, but you'll probably have several of those anyways.

Why should summoning be special?

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>>52957011
Ecclesiarchy was mostly "HOLY FUCK YES, PRAISE THE EMPEROR, A SIGN OF HIS BLESSINGS!"

Guilliman's face however..

>>52957005
I play daemons and I'm glad summoning is getting reigned in. It was too easy to spam shit if you brought enough psykers. The power that summons heralds was especially stupid if used right.

>>52957054
>You know this is how it works for literally everyone that has units in reserve right? You start with fewer units on the table and rely on dice rolls to get them out onto the table. The only real difference here is that the summoning unit can die, but you'll probably have several of those anyways.
You know that deep strike is garunteed to come in by turn 4, right? With deep strike, you don't have to worry that you might lose those models entirely if one model dies

>>52957011
>How did the Ecclesiarchy react to Guilliman?

OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD PLEASE FUCK ME LORD GUILLIMAN PRAISE THE EMPEROR

>How did Guilliman react to the Ecclesiarchy?

Distasteful but better to have them as a friend right now.

>>52955660
>>52955651
They stated in the Q&A video that any single official model you have, even forgeworld, will have rules in 8th. Except I guess squats, because fuck hope.

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>>52956345
wtf I love GW now

>>52956999
Normal deepstiking has most of those problems.

The advantages to summoning are that you get to change the unit that's coming in, and you get to more precisely control when you want them to come in. The downside is that you have to have the summoner on the board and pass a test.

That seems like a fair tradeoff, and it certainly wouldn't amount to gimping yourself unless you intentionally did something stupid with it.

Besides, it may end up being that Summoning instead just becomes a way to pull your Daemons out of reserve early without scattering.

>>52957085
You seen the White Dwarf special figure?

>>52957035
Reserves have always been left up to chance. If you had half your army in reserve, it's fully possible you'll get tabled before the show up turn 4 if you roll poorly.

You going to roll that poorly for all of your summoning rolls that you never summon anything?

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>>52957073
Just started in 6th ed at the earliest huh.

>>52957073
If you're making a list where summoning is important I doubt you're going to only have one summoner.

Just make summoning easier as the game goes on? As the battle rages on, more blood is spilled, thus making it easier for daemons to be summoned.

>>52957094
>a way to pull your Daemons out of reserve early without scattering.
This feels infinitely more reasonable than the way that it works now, even if it is a bit unfluffy.

So now that Deep Strike will no longer scatter, is it safe to say it'll be like a more dynamic 'infiltrate'? As in, cant deploy within x'' of an enemy or terrain?

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>>52957011

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>>52956655
ABHOR THE WITCH, DESTROY THE WITCH

>>52957127
desu space marine deployment is meant to be crazy accurate with it going wrong very rarely, with outside forces messing shit up.

>>52957116
Well, it could represent using sorcery to shortcut the Daemons onto the battlefield, rather than them having to wait until the boundary is weak enough for them to slip in.

>>52957094
I imagine that pulling reserves would be the best way to do. If you're setting aside points you're like to be trying for the same units each time you summon anyway, as they all cost different amounts.

Anyone have that old comic where an Arbites fights an AI from the DAOT? My googlefu is weak and refuses to produce even a name,

>>52957036
everything is run by 4chan these days, im not even joking.

>tfw I can't afford this shit

It looks like the coolest shit ever and I love the fan content but I don't have the income, the skill, or the patience for it.

What should I do? What can I do?

Lol, I just realised; I bought a scatter die when I started out back in January thinking I'd eventually need them, but I haven't got any units that need one yet, and now I'm probably never going use one.

>>52957168
Work harder.

>>52957011
>How did the Ecclesiarchy react to Guilliman?
Adore him like a demigod
>How did Guilliman react to the Ecclesiarchy?
"Fuck you all"

>>52957179
Sell it.

>>52957168
surely you can afford a couple hundred bucks for a second hand army off ebay or craigslist. I must warn you however, this game is 100x better when you build and paint your own dudes fresh out the box.

there are sweet deals online tho from people who want to sell, just check frequently.

>>52957179
need one*

>>52957179
Kek, I bought templates a few months back...

>>52957168
>It looks like the coolest shit ever and I love the fan content but I don't have the income, the skill, or the patience for it.
Get a better job.
Alternatively, start small and build up your army slowly. How much are you making right now?

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How likely is it that Interceptor will remain in 8th edition?

>>52957168
Start slow, save your change in a jar,put a few dollars aside a week, get a credit card, mortage your house, sell your soul

>>52957190
>>52957195

I make minimum wage. I have no skill in painting or strategy. Numbers hurt my head. Rules confuse me. I can read fast, though.

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>>52956919
>It's ALL Psykers.
Of course, what ever you say, troglodyte...

>>52957127
I hope I can slam drop pods down on terrain, that shit is cool.

>>52955719
A Doctor Who episode.

But honestly probably a setting for novels.

>>52955774

This is not a faction list, it's a grouping of armies by type/playstyle.

Everyone knows this, you aren't fooling anyone.

It's time to stop.

>>52957011
Ecclesiarchy proclaimed Guilliman as divinity, Guilliman begrudgingly tolerates them as they're useful and now isn't the best time to be trying to tear them down due to the threat of chaos.

What has Matt Ward been trusted with, I'm thinking toilets.

>>52957168
ebay

>>52957217
Ebay and some of the box sets are your friend. You don't need to get a huge army to play. It's hard to say how much of an army the start collecting boxes will make up with 8th edition but under the current rules most of them are almost a small army on their own.

>>52957247

Third party sites

I live in the UK and can recommend a couple that gives up to 25% off. I ain't doing nuffin now so I may find a US store.

>>52957244
He's a novelist, so he's probably writing a novel.

>>52957268
What's something good, cheap, effective, and unlikely to go out of the meta?

I'm guessing Fucking Grey Knights or something. Probably not Thousand Sons or Imperial Fists.

>>52957275
So he's writing Creed's escape from Trazyn while he stealths a warlord titan.

>>52957011
>How did the Ecclesiarchy react to Guilliman?
Like you'd think

>How did Guilliman react to the Ecclesiarchy?
Not like I expected he would. I thought Guilliman would have been around long enough after the HH to know about them, considering that they had beaten every other cult into submission in about a thousand years after the HH. Nevermind the fact that the imperial cult (granted not the Ecclisiarchy quite yet) was growing during the end of the Great Crusade according to the HH BL books and the Inquisitor Skirmish game books mentions "hundreds of worlds" practicing open worship before the Imperium even knew the Golden Throne was working.

Given how Guilliman reacted, you'd think he was completely unaware of any of this all the way up to getting his throat slashed, whenever that happened.

>>52955638
elves in AOS have been utter shit ever it was released so I would not be surprised by this.

>>52957217

No matter what avenue you choose, if your intent is to play and not just collect, find someone to play with.

Local GW stores might have demo armies for you and can teach some rules.

>>52957300
>GK

>Good
Not right now, they're straight garbage, let's see what 8th does for us

>Cheap
Damn right.

>Effective
Read #1. Jack of all trades, master of none.

>>52957300
Meta is dependent on what's most efficient and cookie cutter.

>>52957314
I guess I'll have to wait to see what the Starter Pack is for this.

>>52957335
Ultras and Death Guard is all but confirmed.

>>52957300
Marines. The most commonly played, and they are consistently supported. Additionally, you can run all the different flavors of Marine with one army.

>>52957300
The meta is getting completely turned on its head in a month or so, really hard to make any calls atm.

But really, right now you only really need to be super meta if you're playing competitive. Depending on the group almost anything is somewhat viable.

>>52957207
None of the USRs are staying.

There will be no Interceptor, no Hit & Run, no Furious Charge, no Fleet, no Poison, no Haywire, no fucking nothing... in the core rules.

Instead all of these rules will now be unique special rules of units on their datasheet.

How should I kit out a Hellhound? Which variant is most fun?

>>52957352
Yeah, but they are both new model runs, by the looks. So it isn't too awful.

>>52955682
We've been overpowered in every edition of the game bar 5th. Don't get your hopes up.

Is rob baer 19 or 39 years old? It is hard to tell sometimes

>>52957373
Whichever one you think looks the coolest. In like two months every rule and statline in the game will be different, why are people asking retarded questions like this right now?

>>52955751
I'm also an imperial fist player, a mix of rhinos and pods have worked well for me. Rhinos provide manouverability and protection while pods let you drop something nasty off in the backfield.

>>52957352
Whoop-de-fucking do.

Fuck it, how much is a Thousand Sons kit? I might not be smart in real life, but my boys'll be smarter than me.

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>>52955707
I'll not complain about ASF when you charge but I would be so dam useful to know who goes first in the ongoing turns, also mortal wounds will be wonderful in my imperial Knights, I just hope battleshock is as crippling as I fear
>Abadabadoo dies to charging Knight this edition
It's good to be loyal

>>52957352
So it's shit.

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>>52956345
this is as good as confirming that pic related is the new summoning rules for 40k 8th ed

Anyone near Western MA? Regular playgroup is going to be unavailable for a few months and it would be nice to play some new armies before 8th hits.

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>>52957300
Also, to start playing you really only need 2 troops and an HQ

>>52957422
Combat is getting a info release tomorrow.

>>52957429
Literally at least for 50%

:^)

>>52957394
Well I wanted to get one last giant apocalypse game done for 7th and was just wondering how good they are.

>>52957422
>but I would be so dam useful to know who goes first in the ongoing turns
if initiative is removed and ASF, we can only assume that all combat phases after that will either be simultaneous, or exactly like AoS.

>>52957440
I thought it was warzones tomorrow

>>52957448
They're overpriced as fuck, so whatever appeals the most.

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>>52956599
don't lose your shit invulnerable saves and FnP and the like are going to exist but there wont be a "special rule" for them, they will be abilities listed on unit profiles.

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>>52957377
screenshoted for posterity. If you are wrong, I will post this.

Forever.

>>52957418
39.49 for some Rubic Mehrines, 90 bucks for DP Magnus.

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>>52956655
I would bet money that these get incorporated into 8th ed 40k. rule 1 is how what you described will be dealt with.

>>52957453

Well, they haven't done combat yet and they have done the shooting, moving, psychic phase so it seems legit.

>>52957466
It specifically addressed invulberable saves in the article and how mortal wounds would ignore hem

>>52957489
They did assault already, they announced Fall Back.

Tomorrow is Warzones

>>52955707

I was hesitant when I first heard about it, now I'm cautiously optimistic.

Not a fan of the story progression, though. HH-era fedora tipping is literally the dumbest thing teh emps ever did.

...And "The Last Church" really really doesn't mean what the author thought it did/wanted it to.

All this talk about meta and I'm sitting here with so few models my army comp won't change either way.

>>52957489
>We’ll be back tomorrow with news on one of the updated war zones from the new Warhammer 40,000, and on Sunday, we’ll be looking at the Shooting phase.
Maybe combat will be sometime next week.

>We’ll be back tomorrow with news on one of the updated war zones from the new Warhammer 40,000, and on Sunday, we’ll be looking at the Shooting phase.

Warzones and shooting phase are next.

>>52957512

I've played Leaf-Blower guard since, I dunno, when did Vets stop being "one squad per regular platoon"?

"Guy with a poor arms and equipment stands against the (daemonic/xenos) onslaught" never seems to gets old as a narrative hook for me.

>>52957493
yeah I don't expect "invulnerable saves" to exist in 8th ed. There will be abilities like that pic that allow ignoring mortal wounds.

>>52957551
"Invulnerable saves" are confirmed to exist. Not that we know how they work.

>>52957551
>>52957567
I might expect to see Invuln saves, though it'll be for stuff like Daemons where it's just an armor save that ignores any modifiers, probably.

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>>52956382
Me when I think about the local faggot who bought 200 pink and blue horrors and 400 brimstone ones.

>>52957481
I fucking hope not, 2/3 sound reasonable but the first rule just the antithesis of fun. That would be fucking terrible for any fluffy psyker army.

>>52956271
i could see them doing like.
Hit 1 random model in target unit. That mini takes d6 mortal wounds. All minis with 6 suffer a S10 AP-3 D3 damage hit. all models within 12 suffer S8 AP-2 1 damage hit.

>>52957596
I doubt they'll double its impact size.

>>52957591
for context the new AOS Tzeethch codex introduced 3 psychic masteries with 6 psychic powers each so to actually run out of psychic powers is pretty much impossible.

but instead of spamming one psychic power with all your units you now can only use each one once per turn.

>>52957628
There's only two and each one can only be used by the respective race, Daemons use Change and Mortals use Fate.

Really though the Rule of One was a stupid idea.

>>52957628
While a large spellbook is nice, if you still have to randomly roll for powers, that'd still be kinda shit for tactical flexibility. what if 3 of your dudes roll the same power? You neutered your own psyker's effectiveness since only 1 guy can make use of it, the others get to twiddle their goddamn thumbs.

>>52957680
not to mention each psycher has a unique psychic power on its unit profile and you'll almost never want to use anything but that one anyways.

>>52957682
if its like AOS (evidence seems to suggest it is a copy of AOS) then you pick whatever psychic powers from the table you want for each psycher.

>>52957711
Then that's not too bad, considering you can build each psyker with a specific role in mind. Give and take.

>>52957550
....What's leaf-blower guard?

>>52957682
You won't be rolling for powers tho

>>52957753

The only problem is AoS has 2 spells. But other than that they're all yours.

>>52956599
I wouldn't be surprised if D Scythes were d3 hits and two damage each.

>>52957785
If you can pick and choose, Rule of One seems necessary to prevent spamming cheesy powers.

>>52957777
Catachan I'm guessing?

I hope they make a chaos space marine codex and a traitor marine codex

>>52956100
>Sisters BTFO
Flamers and meltas are their bread and butter and both are getting better.

>>52957777
>>52957832

Christ... newfags or what?

>>52957777

Vet+Chimera=Meltas/Plasmas. Was ungodly killy back in ~4e. Not sure how it got named that.

What I'm saying is: fuck the meta, play an army comp that you like.

>>52957848
He's referrencing the "no plastic sisters" announcement today during the livestream.

>>52957856

It was 5th edition actually.

It tabled people in a tournament, hence 'leaf blower'.

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GRETCHIN

>>52957868
Ah, well I already have my metal army so I don't care.

I still have no idea how people are happy about aos poisoning 40k. What the hell did AoS give us? A 4 page rule book with no tactics, no points, wacky rules (smack your friend for 1+ ws) no balance. (shoot into and out lf cc, ect) and blew up a great setting.

>>52957871
Oh ok

>>52957907
8th edition 40k takes only the good things and leaves out the dumb shit like the meme rules for bonuses and shooting out of combat

>>52957907

Oh boy...

We've got somebody with an independent thought here boys...

We don't take kindly to other 'opinions' here.

You better get this GW semen slurped right now or we'll have to deal with you.

>>52957871

Ah, right you are.

I'm just hoping grenade launchers git gud, I really like the model/idea of a GL (plus the Only War version of my regiment has the Grenadiers doctrine) but they're just so fucking bad on the tabletop.

>>52955684
>Times of ending

Never

>>52957868
Neither confirmed or denied

>>52957907
I smell Fantashit.

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>>52956538

Fucking Wendy's currently has a dedicated fanbase with dozens of fanartists due entirely to their twitter intern being snarky.

>>52957616
yeah i derped and got got my radius and diameter mixed up.

>>52957882
They were being facetious. Literally saying "no plastic sisters" while smiling and nodding.

>>52957694

Except pink horrors who only know bolt and shield. They then can take one power from the daemon lore only, which only has 6 powers.

>>52957964
>>52957997

>>52957982
>What are you firing back?
>Edible food

My sides are being sold for 1.99 at Wendy's.

>>52957982
Not really the same thing, they're not insulting people for eating at wendys.

>>52958004
So you could have 8 units of Pink Horrors before running into any overlap on a single turn. Or possibly less if you take say, 2 squads with 1 power and 2 squads with another and have one shield while serving as a backup.

That doesn't seem to difficult to work around really.

>>52957810

The scythes aren't going to do multi wounds. That's for the wraith gun, which will likely do d6 wounds.

is there a video upload of the battles from today anywhere? I don't see it on the warhammer tv youtube page

>>52957997
I've said it before I already have 3k points of sisters, if they ever put out some good plastics, I'll buy a box to make 10 leaders/ speacial weapon toters for the heavy weapons I'm missing.

>>52958024
Yeah, they're insulting people who made the lives of their other customers miserable and are confused as to why they're changing it so they can't do that anymore.

>>52958047
But the scythes are template weapons so they're going to do D6 automatic hits, which translates to something pretty similar.

>>52958004
So... it'll only be a problem if you take 8+ squads of horrors then?

I guess that could be a problem in apocalypse sized games...

>>52958040

Except for the heroes you also have. You could easily max out on all 8 spells in 1000 points without even trying.

the butthurt already coming from eldar and daemon players alone has convinced me to buy 8th edition honestly

as long as they don't fuck up nids and orks again

>>52958055
i literally have a $600 partition in my bank account set aside for the day gw announces plastic sisters. I've wanted to play them ever since I got into 40k, but I just can't stand metal.

>>52958079
Pink Horrors will probably get flickering fire as a non-psychic shooting attack or something.

>>52958061
>They're really fired up!

>>52958110

Each horror has the equivalent of a single BS3 S4 shot

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>>52958094

>>52958115
>Joking about people who play a weak army makes people upset
>Joking about people who play a WAAC army makes people agree with you

Really activated my almonds

>>52958110
Didn't they have that in 5e too?

>>52958140
I believe so, yes.

>>52958137
Just saying, it's a double edged sword to be flippant about concerns from the community.

>>52958137
Are we supposed to shed tears for WAACfags now? What is your point?

>>52958166
That people who are confused as to why nobody is sympathetic about GW making fun of Summon-spammers are being dumb

>>52958120
...okay? And?

>>52957921
I keep hearing that. Wtf is that. I have not been on tg for like, a year

>>52958089
What happened with Eldar that's got people pissed off?

>>52958089
Both those races have low armour save units as a staple. AP5/6- is now AP 0 so even against bolters you get your saves. Small buff but now you stand a chance to save them boyz.

>>52958186
Oh gotcha, sorry I should have payed more attention to the reply chain.

>>52958186
I wasn't expecting people to be sympathetic, I was just surprised that GW jumped on the bandwagon.

>>52958199
Nothing yet, but the mere possibility that Eldar might no longer be the cheese of the cheese has Eldarfags' panties in a twist.

>>52958159
No it's not, because you can choose what to be flippant about.

>>52958244
Sure, assuming they always pick the right thing.

>>52956999
except that once that unit dies, you can just summon it again.

I can't just summon a new drop pod because i want it.

>>52958256
Not like it's hard though, is it?

>>52958274
They've messed it up before.

>>52958283
I don't think so.

>>52958299
Ork and sisters players have been pretty upset about it for a while.

>>52958306
They're upset about being old and shit, not about being joked at.

>>52958318
Being joked about didn't help any, as it makes it looks like GW doesn't give a shit.

>>52958340
Didn't hurt either.
Orks and Sister fags have been massively butthurt since before the GW community outreach program.

How large is an Imperial Guard regiment? It seems like they are more comparable in size to a division or corps.

>>52958365

> Didn't hurt.

Yeah, that's why in the FAQ they wanted to make it clear that they weren't going to handle this anything like AoS.

>>52958380
What does Age of Sigmar have to do with mad Sisterfags?

Is it just me or does smite seem too over powered for every fucking psycher to have it, is it confirmed that units will have modifiers ignoring mortal wounds?

>>52958440
How is it overpowered?
It can't even be targeted.

>>52958440
I mean, other people agree with you for some reason, but it's pretty balanced based on what we know.

>>52958457
Oh shit, what?

>>52958478
>nearest visible

>>52958457
Requires 5 success as well

>>52958469
Because of increased wounds?

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>WAACfaggots getting eating alive RIGHT NOW by GW on social media
>SoBcucks memed away from plastic models yet again
>Aeldari reduced to the NPC race they are
B E S T E D I T I O N
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>>52958489
How often do you play cover?

>>52958478
Smite automatically goes for the closest enemy unit within 18''
So a smart opponent can have some influence over where it will hit.

But remember that 8th edition will mean the end of tactics and strategies in 40k :^)

>>52958512
What?

>>52958208
That's a minor start but really there's a lot more that needs to be fixed about both of those armies.

Nids in particular actually, since Orks get a big boost just from the removal of Initiative.

>>52958513
I mean in terms of scaling, how tf can the most basic pyscher be able to take 6 wounds off caldor for example, it just seems a bit autistic

>>52958502
I missed you laughing cheetah anon.

I can't wait to see the glorious shitposting war the day we get full leaks.

>>52958440
It seems like that at first glance, though in general I think it will average out to being a Flamer and a Meltagun, but less reliable.

You have to shoot the closest squad. If that's a unit of guardsmen, then on average 2 die, and if you're really lucky you'll kill 6. Not too much better than what you'd get from a Flamer.

If you position properly and hit a tank, same deal, ignoring armor and dishing out d3/d6 wounds. Probably worse than a meltagun, since we haven't seen its stats, but not likely to blow up a tank outright.

It's good against things with Invuln saves, but it's not likely to be an instant kill except against things with very few wounds. And with everything getting more wounds and this not even being a sure thing with the test and the targeting, it won't be too insane.

A nice bit of extra shooting, but that's it.

>>52958537
Your point is you'll be in cover so you wont be visable

I don't understand the new psychic rules. How do you tell sucess from a failure other than double 1s and 6s?

>>52958562
>it just seems a bit autistic
What? Does 4chan even know what that word means anymore?

Also the chances of you taking 6 Wounds off a hero with that power are basically nonexistent.

>>52958562
First, you basically need to roll 3 6s for that to happen.

Second, if a Dreadnought has 8 wounds now, how many do you think he'll have?

>>52958585
Roll 2d6, get equal or higher than the warp charge value.

Smite is 5, so you need to roll 5+ on 2d6 added together. Not that hard to understand.

>>52958585
Its 5+ activate, is double 1s back again?

>>52958596
Characters don't get as many extra wounds it seems. Most likely because they won't degrade.

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>>52958572
>NPC homoelves will literally be nerfed to the ground within your lifetime
>SoB and Nidroaches will be actually squatted within your lifetime
>tfw can already savour the salt & tears from from trap-lovers and WAACfags
Lmao

>>52958617
Perils of the Warp is most likely double 1's/6's.

>>52958585
This >>52958604 but you can also think about it like the old system, where psychic powers just requiered a leadership test. But instead of always rolling for 10 or lower there are different casting values that you need to roll equal or higher than

>Eldar WK
>240 points
>24 wounds
>S12
>T12
>Negates wounds and mortal wounds on a 4+
>Fair and balanced