Warhammer 40,000 general /40kg/

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first for the first

Post yfw you never bought your own templates

THird to make Commorragh great again

The Tau should have their first Dyson spheres under construction.

>>52945314
I was just actually going to get a set of green transparent templates in sprues but now it doesn't seem to matter anymore.
Can't wait to see my baneblade doing 30D6 hits with it's main cannon though

>>52945327
And killing one unit. Rip murdering several units.

>>52945334
Yeah, that's actually a real problem with that system.
I wonder if they're going to address that with Blast weapons.

>>52945341
If a unit is 2d6 inches in range of the unit you're attacking, wounds spill over.
I guess it could work like that, might need to crunch the numbers though.

Needs more wendy marines

>>52945353
>GW thinks this is easier than just scattering a template or measuring a circle with X" diameter
Seems about right

>>52945341
As far as I know some spells in sigmar can hit all models within x distance but since they've removed templates such a situation will be rare at best. But without it I don't see the point in units like the deathstrike.

Blast weapons are probably just weapons that hit a single unit a lot, possibly with a higher chance to hit larger units. Faster than the current system but not quite as interesting imo.

>>52945371
Although they say they've removed templates,they could just be talking about the flamer template, because that's the only one called a "template" in the rulebook right now. Blast templates are just called "blasts" or "blast markers" if I remember correctly.
I probably remember wrong.

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CHOOSE
YOUR
ALLIANCE

Real version: Imperium/Chaos/Aeldari/Other Xenos/Scenery book

>>52945370
>measuring a circle with X" diameter
i reckon we're going to get that for some stuff.

AoS does it to I think.

>>52945386
they've also said the Scatter dice is gone though.

>>52945387

Do the Tau get access to the webway, then?

>>52945408
Oh well time to make a noose out of my red measuring sticks

>>52945408
They could have possibly come up with another system but I doubt it. Though depending on the size of any pseudo-blasts having a template on hand might have it's uses.

>>52945411
Only if you give them tons of blueberries!

>>52945387
there won't be a sceney book part of the 5.
GW directly said the updated army rules will be in 5 books.

>>52945441
Someone posts this in every thread. I'm almost ready for 8th ed to come out just so it stops because it only results in shitposting.

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>>52945441
>tfw have to probably buy 3 books
Such is life for multiple army fags

>>52945450
can you imagine the shitstorm when it does come out and everyone will still be screaming baseless assumptions even though you can read the rules for free online?
>>52945473
I'm just gonna wait until I can download the pdfs desu
Unless the Imperium book is somehow actually awesome.

>>52945473
Dude, it's just a compilation. You can just wait for the specific codexes to come out.

>Psychic phase spoilers today
This will either be really great or complete dogshit. I'm leaning towards dogshit since even Sigmar has a really shitty track record with magic.

>>52945492
I mean Psykers and Magic were always really different, so I don't know.

>>52945492

Hopefully deny the witch will be better than the shitshow it was in 7th ed.

>>52945492
Anything other than "there is no more psychic phase" is intothetrash.jpg

>>52945480
Well, i like the idea of an army codex, and they do look quite nice, but I prefer books over pdfs.
So if 8th hits and the books look nice, I'll buy them.
>inb4 using books vs using tablets skubbery happens
Skub is best

>>52945505
As a Thousand Sons and Tzeentch Daemons player, I agree.

>>52945513
I would prefer books too, but I don't want to pay like 80 bux for one if they're actually going to contain rules and fluff for 4 or 5 armies at once.
Especially since Codexes no longer have hobby sections, only rules and "gib us more monies"

>>52945505
I wouldn't mind a AoS-esque hero phase though.
Just return 6th ed casting and buying powers for points and we'll be good.

Adeptus Mechanicus Player here.

I'm worried I'm going to get my comeuppance this edition. At least against my regular opponents.

Also I suspect Belly Cawl is going to get nerfed, sorry buddy, you had a great 2-3 months

>>52945582
You should be happy that GW merged Skiitari and Admech together

Also RIP Scions and Khorne Daemonkin

>>52945582
I expect him to have more wounds honestly. But he might have to actually roll to see whether or not he regains wounds at all instead of auto-repairing.

>>52945588
Well we don't know that they've been merged. The should be, but then again they should have been in the first place.

>>52945588
No one wanted Scions to have their own army though.

>>52945588


>You should be happy that GW merged Skiitari and Admech together

Meh, my local FLGS and GW did that anyway (except for tourneys) but it'll be nice not to have to buy 2 codexes,

>>52945600
>we don't know
https://warhammer40000.com/setting/explore-the-factions/

>>52945492
>>52945503
Looking forward as well.

Inherent deny dice are mandatory, Adamantium Will as is is shit.
Denying on a 5/6 is great, but look he rolled a 1 so only one unit in your army gets to try to deny..

Also i'd love 1/1 peril, 6/6 irresistable force.

Kindly no 8th edition/Gathering Storm, especially if you're just here to troll or shill. For all intents and purposes it's Not The Same Universe.

>>52945610
They said in the live faq the faction listings there are more for fluff, not a reflection of the factions that will have rules at release.

>>52945625
For all intents and purposes you're a fucking idiot and belong in a different general

>>52945600
>>52945610

It was the nastiest most money grabbing shit GW pulled in a long long time.

there was no fucking reason to split the codex, fluff or practical reasons except to sell x 2 codexes for a long awaited faction.

It's be literally no different to having x 2 space marine codexes - SPACE MARINE INFANTRY CODEX - SPACE MARINE VEHICLE CODEX

I still get mad if I dwell too hard on it. fuck it, am mad now.

>>52945562
GW did mention them being cheap.

they sound like they're basically going to be the same as AoS grand alliance books. which are only $16-$35 depending depending on their size.

>>52945642
For all intents and purposes you shouldn't have responded to blatant bait

>>52945625

The hilarious thing is, just like those fucking retarded, autistic, mentally ill WHFB fags... there will be an equal amount of spastics doing the same thing for 40k

>>52945625
Make your own general then.
You can call it "Warhammer 40.000 7th ed general /40k7g/"

It'll help up divert the shitposter attention as they spot your low-hanging fruit from miles of.

>>52945651
I mean raging about WHFB -> AoS is perfectly justified because AoS basically murdered WHFB and removed everything players liked about WHFB, while 40k is still 40k.

>>52945625
but it is the same universe. GW straight up said the setting isn't changing in 8e.

>>52945643
You mean "SM HQ, Elites and HS" and "SM Troops and FA"

>Play DoW 3
>it confirms that Gorgutz won Dawn of War : Soulstorm

How does this make you feel, /tg/.

>>52945652
No, this should.be 40k general. 8th edition is not 40k, it is a different game, in a different universe.

And Gathering Storm is just the buildup to it. Nobody wanted it. It is barely 40k. Why don't you make an 8th edition general so you can discuss your functionally different game and universe rather than shilling it here?

>>52945675
holy fucking kek

1d4chan and IGfags on suicide watch

>>52945675

Kindly no DOW3, especially if you're just here to troll or shill. For all intents and purposes it's Not The Same series.

>>52945675
Does it matter?

>>52945675
What exactly does it say?

>>52945682
Cause I made this General.
And nearly every straight-faced non-meme general for the last two weeks.

>>52945693
Yes, Gorgutz owns Stubbs skull

>>52945706
Oh, Gorgutz came back for DoW3?
I didn't pay any attention to Soulstorm.

>>52945682
Mid-tier fish from a small pond afraid of the big tierless sea detected.

>Creed is gone
>Stubbs is gone
>all the IG heroes are dead

rip imperial guard

soon you will join your whfb empire brothers in hell

>>52945675
Untill you get Bluddflagg as a mercenary leader, nothing.

>>52945734
Yarrick isn't and he's basically the only IQ Special Character I knew of for years.

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What if the little men return?

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>>52945387

>THIS
>IS
>BAIT

He posts this stale faggotry every thread.

>>52945734

Still mildly upset about Creed... he cared about Cadia, wasn't some memetastic piece of shit like Marbo, loved by his troops bah fuck it

>>52945699
One of the Ork missions. After he conquered the system in Soulstorm and found records about a WAndering planet with Mega-loot that everyone want to loot, he came to look for the Wandering Planet.

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>>52945747

They did come back. They just ended up in a different universe.

>>52945763
>Le Kharadron Maymay
When will this end

>>52945734

It's cool. Pask and Yarrick are the only named characters I use anyway fãm.

>>52945675
>How does this make you feel, /tg/.

Pretty good. Nice to see Gorgutz winning for once, and the Guardfags who claim they won getting BTFO good and proper.

So when people say that 8th is practically AoS with S/T it's trolling. But this obvious troll you respond to? Idiots

Someone explain to me the "Deny the witch" rule

>>52945623
Deny the Witch is 0/2 for good implementation. The entire idea is retarded. Give each faction some sort of anti-psyker mechanic.

>>52945799
>tfw I want the admech to have some sort of anti-psyker binaric chanting.

>>52945793


>>https://youtu.be/ulVI9OHseMA

>>52945793

You hopelessly throw a handful of dice that are hoping for 6s against a bucket of dice that are hoping for 4s or maybe less.

>>52945799
If i get a anti shooting phase ability. Deny the shot throw so I can skip your battle cannon once

>>52945834
Those are called armor- and invulnerable saves you faggot.

>>52945834
Remind me of all of the battle cannons that forced opponents to fire snapshots at me.

>>52945832
Okay so deny the witch counter the psychic phase if you roll a 6 ?

>>52945855

Yes. If you roll a 6, there is no psychic phase and we can all go home.

>>52945843
Yea all witchfires ignores all saves. Yup
>>52945851
I have never used invis, it's a stupid power that shouldn't have existed in the first place. Nor summoning...
And I can't deny the canticles, deny the orders, deny the whatever either.

>>52945734

pask is alive. he was not even on cadia.

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Anyone here from Mass? Usual playgroup is unavailable for a few months and it would be refreshing to play against some other armies.

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Is assault going to be good again in 8E?

I want to get my Black Templars back in the game

>>52945895
No one knows. Disengaging from Close Combat is a thing but we haven't heard anything else from it.

>>52945866
Yay

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Gorgutz massacred the Blood Ravens in Kuarava. The Blood Ravens owe him a debt of Blood.

I don't know why Relic choose to make the Orks the victors there. Usually it's the Imperials.

>>52945926
That doesn't mean the orks won overall, just that they fucked up the blood ravens.

>>52945926
I just wanna know if it's any good and can my computer run it decently.

IGFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

THE STUBBS MEME IS FUCKING DEAD

GORGUTZ FUCKING WON

>>52945926

This is it? This just means he bullied some marines, not that he cleared all other factions.
Orks lost as usual.

>>52945935
Orks won Soulstorm, anon. Gorgutz was even plundering around the system and found the treasure map for DoW3's setting.

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>>52945334
>>52945341

WOWOW HAHAHA I GUESS THERE IS NO WAY TO SELECT MULTIPLE UNIT HAHA

thats why i'm glad you fuckers arent game designers

>>52945926
I played a Dark Heresy campaign set in a post IG-victory Kaurava system.

It was pretty dope

>>52945935
The previous mission says he conquered Kuarava.

>>52945951
>roll a dice

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>>52945954
no.

>>52945947
see >>52945954

>>52945951
Did you just ignore the rest of the conversation where we talked about some AoS abilities hitting multiple units?

when starts this shitty sister of battle game stream?

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ITT: outdated shit memes

>>52945873
My group always house-ruled invis to make it so you were attacking/shooting at WS/BS 1 rather than doing snapshots and hitting on 6s, so that flamers and blasts could be used an Melee wouldn't be totally useless.

>>52945939
Considering Cadia blew up this year I don't think Stubbs dying is going to bother too many people.

>>52945963
I would also like to know this.

>>52945960

You got sauce?

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okay, which one of you fuckers did this?

>>52945993
I have to replay the previous missions and the load times are atrocious.

>>52945873
Denying psychic powers should be relegated to certain types of units with certain other units that could deny other abilities that will likely fit in a Hero Phase similar to AoS's.

>>52945961
he is still scrolling probably

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Does anyone have experience of using the victoria miniatures arms and weapons with 28mm true scale historicals?

I thinking of using the steamdwarf frigate as Valkyries and doing a praetorian air cav army using pic related as the body

>>52946034
specifically the female arm set from victoria miniatures as they are quite a bit smaller

>>52945926
The problem with Orks winning these games is that it's such a boring end, they kill everyone, take all the shit and leave. Nothing is left in the area.

Not that anyone is giving much attention to DoW3, it's one thing for the initial review score to be slanted towards either the hypers or naysayers, but it seems to be stuck at 50~%

>>52945660
While this is true. We have yet to see how much damage 40k will take from 8th... Rip best warhammer

>>52945951
Wow that's so shit haha, warpstorm levels of random.

>>52946048
>they kill everyone, take all the shit and leave. Nothing is left in the area.
That's the Nids.
Orks occupy areas of space and take people as slaves. You just don't hear about it too much because not a whole lot is written about life on Ork worlds

>>52945982
We talked about it, but with psychic shriek in that list you always had atleast Something useful anyway so just reroll ed it.

>>52945963
>>52945992

I think they're first up, and the stream on Wednesday started at 14:00 BST, but that was the first time I'd watched the twitch stream so someone who's seen more may know better than me.

>>52946058
From what I've heard, Gorgutz killed everyone, looted all the shit and then left the Kauruva system with his entire WAAAAGH to go chase after the DoW3 McGuffin.

>>52946000
I agree, denying should have been a Ranged ability.
Fuck, when imperials show up with psychic hoods overlapping and adamantium will psychic deathstars casting is just out the window anyway

>>52946071
So he was searching for that crap for decade? Not surprising for ork.

Daily reminder that Abbadon only won one Black Crusade and the 13th had be so reckton into existing that Cadia exploded

>>52946048
Pfff, yeah, because eldar "and then they vanished into the gates, with their mysterious objectives achieved" is so much better.

>>52946091
Daily reminder to learn english before posting on 4chan

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My local group is running a competitive ITC format tournament this weekend. I'm likely to come up against anything including warp spiders, a wraithknight, a corpse thief claw, a renegade knight, thousand sons shitting spells everywhere, and either Crons or Mechanicus fuckery from one particular guy. How do you lads think I'll do with this?
Piranha comes on from reserves, flat-outs then shoots with the Ambushes and Feints rule, the Stealth team deep-strikes and the two Crisis teams use its homing beacon to land without scatter. I've got a comms relay to re-roll reserves, cos I need that turn 2 retaliation strike. The fire warrior strike teams and breachers huddle behind the Aegis line, with Breachers ready to move out and intercept a charge. Hammerheads, Broadsides and Pathfinders shoot from the flanks and behind, while the Commander and his marker drones stay near the line to provide marker lights for Supporting Fire and to light up flyers.

>>52946056
not him but they can just say : pick 6 enemy units within X"

>>52946105
Chaos doesn't deserve it. By the way the 11th was one by Orks

>>52946100
At least it leaves fucking survivors, and system that can still produce further stories.

After the Orks have had their way, you might as well forget the area ever existed.

>>52946091
Reckton isn't even a fucking word, how can you fuck up that badly? And I know it's the same guy who posted it last time because you made exactly the same fucking mistake.

>>52946137
It depends really. Ork empires do exist, so not all of them loot and then leave.

>>52946178
Ork empires used to exist, anon.

Now they became the niggers of 40k.

>>52946137
But thats wrong, anon. Orks need slaves to make ammunition, mine scrap and all the good stuff. Yes, industry and machinery will be fucked and everyone's lifes are going to be miserable. But at least it is way better compared getting devided by 0 when tyranids, necrons and sometimes chaos get involved.

It depends on who is in charge. Some bosses might be happy to settle on a conquered world and make an empire (to wage further WAAGHS using conquered planets as a base).

Ghazghkull said this for example:
>I woz one of da boyz till da godz smashed me in da ‘ead an’ I ‘membered dat Orks is meant to conquer and make slaves of everyfing they don’t kill.
Note that the main goal is to conquer and enslave and not to do the genocide for the sake of it.

Hell, some orks even work as mercinaries! If you think about it, orks are probably the least racist race in 40k (first place goes to Tau though who assimilate everyone).

>>52946220
7th edition ork codex straight out mentions 2 vast ork empires duking it out against each other in Cadia's vicinity. And from what I remember galaxy map is covered in ork empires.

Also nothing can outnigger Eldar. They can't even colonize their own maiden worlds because they have to be constantly on the move.

With what we know about templates in 8E (that there won't be them anymore, it'll be X or Random-X hits within Y inches, auto-hitting) am I correct in thinking that Heavy Flamers will be more useful for my MechVets (I use them mostly as a way of warding off assaults while the Plasma or Melta guys do their thing).

I ship OrkXNid

>>52945492
>>52945623
I honestly have no idea how to do a proper psychic phase but I'm not sure I like being able to cast just 1 spell per psyker per turn like how AoS does it as far as I know.

I want my TS to be fluffy/viable and I want casting shit to have weight. It's its own phase so it needs to be. I honestly think periling is far too easy, but I prefer the current system with one little change.

You don't decide how many dice you'll roll and once you roll them, that's it. You can roll as many dice as you like from your pool in an attempt to manifest enough charges. This is a gamble, as yes you may get off that one spell you REALLY want/need but you exponentially increase your chances to peril with each added dice you roll. You also drain your dicepool to nothing.

>>52946112
Yes, none of which require blasts and templates to go the way of the dodo

>>52945894
>Americuck

>>52946229
>(first place goes to Tau though who assimilate everyone).
And proceed to sterilize them

>>52945675
I aint even mad

>>52946229
>orks are probably the least racist race in 40k (first place goes to Tau though who assimilate everyone)
You know exactly where you need to go back to.

>>52945894
Eastern MA
Nowhere to play until Battleground moves into Saugus in May

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>>52946268
So do GW

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>>52946316
I ship nids and girls.

>>52946316
>Tyranids before the Octarius War
>overpowered, spooky, univere-ending threat

>Tyranids after the Octarius War
>a joke, cucks, npc army, losers, Orks fuck their wives

Death of a culture.

>>52946333
Starcraft was the best thing to happen to nids.

>>52946344
Yeah, I can't wait for GW on converting Celestine into the Hive Queen and lead the Tyranids into a bright future

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>>52945588
I love the idea of Scions, but I can't help but feel they were dead on arrival. Their codex was extremely limited, and really didn't provide anything the Astra Militarum codex couldn't. On top of this their stats and costs were unoptimal. After all of this, GW didn't do anything to support them until the Castellans detachment, which just took their gimmick and have it to the Imperium as a whole.

I would play them if GW actually supported them.

>>52946269
Not a phase is my suggestion.

Make Buffs/Debuffs a movement phase
Witchfires shooting phase
Force and Novas Close combat phase.

And bofore people say it Sucks to save dice, think of it cinematicly
telegraphed wide area buff/debuffs are easy to see coming
flashy witchfires are faster but more noticeable
Force/nova Melee being on the psykers edge of perception in the heat of melee.

Least thats how I see it.

>>52945734
Don't worry we still have Pask OHWAITHESINABANEBLADENOW!

>>52946358
I don't think they were intended to be much more than a supplemental force.

>>52946249
Isn't that a gypsy thing?

>>52946333
>Necrons before 5th Edition
>Lovecraftian, horrendously powerful, almost unstoppable apocalyptic Xenos with technologies that made even the Eldar war-engines look primitive by comparison

>Necrons today
>Slightly spooky army that's beaten just like everyone else in standard combat with no clever tactics required, technology that is at best slightly better than Tau equivalents unless it's some asspull superweapon

It's just GW slowly undermining the other apocalyptic Xenos to make Chaos look like even more of an unstoppable threat. I don't mind Chaos being the big bad, it always was, but they've bent everyone else over a table to drive the point in recent years, and it's pretty shitty.

>>52946381
>Phil Kelly keeps meming up his terminator ripoffs as a superior threat to everything
>GW shits on his idea hard and turns his Vampire Cunts (C'tan) in Space into Tomb Kangz in Space
You fuckers deserved it.

>>52946362
I find it weird that psykers can both shoot and use things like witchfire. I know they aren't exactly packing anything exceedingly powerful but it seems more interesting to have a psyker throwing fire instead shooting their pistols.

>>52946358
Discount marines

>>52945682
How autistic can you be anon?
>I dont like changes and thus it is not canon even if GW said its canon stop liking the things I don't like REEERRR
LITERALLY AUTISTIC

>>52946414
anon, he was making fun of whfb cucks

>>52946395
Them being a superior threat to most things in battle made perfect sense, the Tau were holding against the Imperium partly thanks to their technology, technologies that the Necrons would have considered incredibly primitive. They didn't have clever tactics, they didn't have plot armour or luck or named characters pulling off stupid things, they were just an unrelenting tide of pure, hyper-advanced sledgehammer.

Some of the initial books were far too memey, mind you, but from a narrative perspective Necrons being anything but top-tier alongside Daemons and Space Marines as forces makes them look like chumps.

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>>52946351
A company has already done it or at least Kerrigan Genestealer

>>52946290
When living conditions improve, birthrates goes down. It's just natural and proves that Tau empire is 3rd best place to live. 1st and 2nd best is eldar and necron (dunno about their order) because their birth rate is 0 or even negative. Can't argue with math, Emperor worshippers.

>>52946395
It's Andy Chambers, you moron.

>>52945387
>Guy ;posting the same tired pic in every thread isnt spamming
please end your life

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Ultramarines are bully and are put to shame by Guardsmen.

>>52946474
Man, Sicarius is such a tool.
What book is this

>>52946474
Sicarius has always been a faggot since he grew his hair and stopped wielding a lightning claw.

>tfw you'll never use a huge dropship to scatter your army all over the map
I wish FW still sold the Orca

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>>52946474
I'm getting really tired of the autocorrect. It fucking eats words or change them long after I finish typing.

>>52946499
The recent one from Kelly if I recall.

>>52946269
The current psychic phase is shit. All psychic heavy armies are heavily reliant on bringing surplus psykers to act as batteries/increase odds of rolling one of the handful of good powers, and the Deny the Witch mechanic just means that psychic heavy armies can shut down armies that only bring one or two psykers.

The entire idea of a psychic phase is stupid when a large number of armies don't use psykers at all (SoB, BT, AdMech, Tau, Necrons, Dark Eldar) OR use psykers that operate significantly differently from other psykers (Daemons, Tyranids) OR don't really consider psykers to be a major part of their battle doctrine (everyone other than Daemons, Thousand Sons, GK, and CWE).

>>52946329
are those egg depositing dildos?

>>52946512
Link?

>>52946533
Yes

>>52946511
I wish they still sold the griffon.

>>52946539
>griffon.
just get heavy mortar and swap it fornthe earthshaker on a basalisk. its such a simple kitbash you probably don't even need to kit anything.

>>52946420
So... whfb is the most autistic thing ever?

>>52946511
>tfw you'll never shoot down a huge dropship with your Dunecrawlers

Seriously, though, huge dropships are cool and bring an extra layer of feeling to aircraft instead of just being 'flying Rhinos' and 'flying assholes with big guns.'

>>52946551
There are no 8ed rules is what I mean.

>>52946553
No, but the way fantasyfags desperately cling to the corpse of their dead game is.

>>52946562
Speaking of the AdMech and drop ships, I'd love to have the servitor controlled dropships from the Skitarius novel.

Dropping in swarms of vanguards would be cool as shit.

>>52946527
But that's how it generally works. Psykers do overpowers non-psykers because they have access to greater power. They're like superheroes vs normal villians, they bend reality.

It's how it supposed to be. Unless you bring your own psykers, you're meant to have that odd against you.

>>52946562
>"We're going down!"
>2 suits, 9 warriors left
>[Binaric screeching in the distance]
I wouldnt even mind, that shit sounds intense. Heres hoping the thunderhawk inspires a rerun

>>52946614
Are you stupid? Are you really saying that Necrons and Tau and Sisters should all be weaker than psyker armies by design?

Even if you do bring your own psyker, he's liable to just get shut down by some daemon player with 20+ dice to deny with. It leads to shitty "all or nothing" psychic phases.

Psykers should be powerful, yes, but they should have a point cost that balances it.

>>52945492
>play Black Templars and AdMech
>don't give a shit

I can't wait for whatever we're getting tomorrow.

>>52946603
Those things, some smaller transport (unless those drop ships don't cost more than 90 points) and a Psyker Tech-Priest character would be really cool to have.

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Gorguyz sure loves his pointy sticks.

How many of you fucks are starting a new army for/because of 8e, and which?

>>52945314
They came with my models and rulebook.
Never used. RIP.

>>52946702
Still debating with myself if I stick with Aeldari or join Chaos.

>>52946702
Yeah me
GSC and diy marines I think

>>52946650
You are not weaker by design, you have your own forces. Psykers have access to the offensive power that it brings but it still comes at a HEAVY cost (90% of perils cripples or outright murders the psyker). They are still as tough as any mortal though, so it balances out. Mind vs Brute Force, it's not my fault you didn't employ proper tactics against my psykers, my Sorcrerers are 2 wounds T4 with a basic marine save, yet for some reason he's considered overpowered if I field him against Tau or Necrons? The fuck are you smoking and can I have some?

Having a psyker-heavy army, even in the fluff, makes sense that they'd overpower and fry a single enemy psyker. It's like bringing a knife to a nuke fight. The more psykers you have, the more you dominate a phase in comparison to the enemy, just like how Tau can dominate and curbstomp in the shooting phase.

And most psykers already cost a fucking lot and we have to roll random powers and risk our shit being borderline useless unless we pay through the nose to make that random chance lean more in our favour, hence why Mastery levels are so expensive and efficient. We HAVE to do that to matter. They cost enough to the point that some armies forgo a LOT of shooting and CC potential just to get more psykers.

>>52946726
Tau don't stop you from shooting just by existing though.

>>52946702
Daemons.
Can play AoS + 40k whenever I want.
If I want to branch out for whatever the shiny new release is, oh look just add a unit of death guard/blight kings/whatever the new shiny is, and good to go.

>>52946733
Yes they can when their shooting phase is so strong they can delete 1/3 of your army if they so will it.

>>52946738
You can still shoot back though.

>>52946733
A melee army is more analogues here, as they will slaughter you in combat before you can even hit back.

>>52946738
That's not the same and you know it.

If you want to bring 20 psykers and psychic my 1 psyker to death, then you should have to actually *psychic my psyker to death*. Not turn off his ability to do anything simply by existing.

Riptides don't have a rule that says "if the enemy has fewer riptides than you, they all lose the ability to shoot".

>>52946726

>it's not my fault you didn't employ proper tactics against my psykers, my Sorcrerers are 2 wounds T4 with a basic marine save, yet for some reason he's considered overpowered if I field him against Tau or Necrons? The fuck are you smoking and can I have some?

The issue is that 'The main defence against psykers...is psykers'. Psychic Hoods and better Deny the Witch is contingent on bringing some of your own.

I'd really prefer the psychic phase to be folded into a general Command Phase. Have the Necrons pull out technobable that would make Janeway blush, Sisters pull out miracles and tau call down support fire in the same turn. Rather than having it be a turn that several armies can't actually interact with.

>>52946733
I don't know two shooting phases in the same turn accomplish the same thing + removing your dudes from the table.

Psyker are problem because it's just that Psyker phase, if the thing was a special power phase so Guard could use their orders, tau their markers, SoB their faith, Necron their RP (similar to third) it would be more useful for everyone.

>>52946775
You can still make use of melee units against a melee army though.

>>52946784
I don't have a problem with psykers, I have a problem with them being all or nothing against each other.

>>52946773
And you can still deny, albeit not as good due to not having enough bodies to do that with.

>Psychic phase
>not enough bodies to deny the carnage
>Shooting phase
>He killed the majority of my force, not enough bodies to deny the carnage
>>52946775
This guy also speaks the truth, it is a better analogy.

>>52946787
GW can't make magic rules just look at 8th of WHF. It was basically the same thing but worst than Psyker if you didn't had them.

>>52946798
The trouble is that if you only bring a few psykers they basically can't cast any powers, as they'll be easily denied.

>>52946309
Damn. How far east? Im a Westerner myself. Play in Hadley or Greenfield.

>>52946474
Are we supposed to sympathize with this guy?
>you think 30 Lasguns can kill 20 space marines?
Well if it couldn't kill you what makes you think they could have held against fucking battlesuits?

>>52946782
>>52946784
This is the best solution.

Have a command phase, give armies the option of doing all their weird shit that previously fell into "at the beginning of your turn/movement phase", and have psykers come with tokens to mark squads affected by various de/buffs.

Just make C'tan psykers like they should be

And bring in Kroot Shaman

Now everyone can do something in the spyker phase

>>52946827
It couldn't, they should've killed two and then died valiantly.

>>52946779
but I DO psychic your psyker to death, with a doombolt right up his cornhole. Not my fault you picked a faction who has a different schtick than mine. My shooting and CC blow chunks, yet I'm not whining to my Black Templars or World Eaters friends that they overpower me in CC.
>>52946782
I don't mind it being rolled into a phase, like how running has been rolled into the movement phase, but I'm severly against balancing out the armies just because some can't handle my 20" psychic dingus.

The way you should handle an army of master-tier sorcerers is either by bringing enough psychic power yourself for a mindwrestling match or you use your other tricks. Like blowing his head off with a cannon shell or digging an axe into his face.

>>52946849
The thing is that Black Templars will also most likely not overpower you in CC because by the time they get there, they'll most likely be at half their army strength.

>>52946702
Literally the only reason I'll even consider trying the new rules is if they release plastic sisters.

>>52946849

>but I'm severly against balancing out the armies just because some can't handle my 20" psychic dingus.
>The way you should handle an army of master-tier sorcerers is either by bringing enough psychic power yourself for a mindwrestling match

Then maybe GIVE each army psykers. As right now a lot of armies both 'Don't have psykers' and 'Can't interact with psykers' so they need to murder their way through every single model in the squad before they can stop it.

>>52946809
I don't see how that's a problem. Instead, alter your tactics accordingly. If you know you're going up against a bear, what are you going to bring? Your teeth are not as sharp as his, so fighting them at their level will get you killed. Instead, use your strengths, like a big gun and staying away from the bear.

>>52946844
Wasting lives.
Are you some kind of heretic or something?

Everyone should die for the Emperor, but retard death does not help the Emperor.

>>52946864
Except I don't know if I'll be facing a psyker heavy army, so the solution is to never bring psykers unless my entire army is psykers.

>>52946863
But this is a valid way to counter them! With each psyker you kill, your enemy lost an expensive and highly useful tool in their arsenal and you decreased their overall dicepool to boot!

>>52946867
>says the faction which executions can be called because you winked at the comissar

>>52946876
I still don't see the problem, honestly. Armies that have a lot of psyker potential will bring a lot of them. Armies that don't, usually won't at all.

You can still bring psykers, just focusfire theirs until you reach a point where yours can cast reliably. that's also an option.
>>52946860
Semantics and vagaries of list-building. I got my ass handed to me in CC with my Tau by Black Templars before. I still don't complain.

>>52946885

Then why is it not valid for other armies to have ways to negate psykers other than being psykers?

>>52946900
We all know incompetent Comissars die with a Las bolt to the back. Totally shot by the enemy and not loyal Guardsmen.

>>52946901
Because it'd be nice to bring a psyker on occasion, but it'd just be dead points as you can shut them down with no effort.

>>52946827
especially given the lack of ammunition

>>52946902
I never said that though, I actually like having each army have a thing. I can't reliably defend against the psychic phase with my Tau, but I can kick my own TS force's ass with them in the shooting phase.

I'm simply disagreeing that the psychic phase is somehow OP because not everyone is allowed to play in the sandbox. We don't have your toys, you have your own, let us enjoy ours.

>>52946927

>I'm simply disagreeing that the psychic phase is somehow OP because not everyone is allowed to play in the sandbox.

It's pretty bad design though. I mean, this is why Blue gets so much shit in MTG. Because other people don't get to play with stack manipulation and countering even when said counters are well priced.

The Psychic Phase should become a phase everyone can use (If that means making is psychic AND other stuff, that's fine). Much like how every army has guns and every army has melee weapons.

>>52946918
Then do so. you're not guaranteed to have them denied. There's plenty of factors like list, distance, how aggressive or defensive the enemy is with his dicepool and allsorts. What if their army is made of like 15 ML1 chaos sorcs and you bring two ML3 librarians? you can deny on like 3s and shut down all his shit.

>>52946900
Lives are the Emp's currency. Wasting the Big E's cash on petty retribution is heresy. A commissar who acted like this would find enemies in both the guard and the commissariat.

>>52946901
We were talking about Psyker armies not Tau. Almost every Psyker-less CC army gets shit on by them without issue because not only can they usually kill your shit just as good as shooting armies but also have the ability to piss all over your parade in CC because of force weapons and all the shit they can buff units with.

There are not nearly enough ways to counter Psykerd outside of using your own Psykers. Templars have Deny the Witch on every single unit they have and still can't contest their powers or reliably take them on in CC.

>>52946927
Except other armies can't defend against the psychic phase at all, you can at least take measures to mitigate damage from shooting beyond killing the shooting unit.

>>52946950
I wouldn't mind that, as it keeps everyone happy and functionally it doesn't harm psykers but makes everyone else do other non-psyker shit. I'll still kick your ass with spells and you can still wreck me with sword and bolt.

>>52946953
If you're casting witchfires on them sure. What about if I bring an astropath for some guardsman buffs and he has to try and cast through 15 deny dice everytime he wants to cast a power?

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>GW using SoB

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>>52946953
You can deny on a 3+ IF they are specifically targeting the psyker or the unit the psyker is in.

It should be like Fantasy where you can use any psyker you have to deny any spell that is cast (With failed denials meaning you can't deny with that psyker again)

It's that stupid way of denying that means that nobody ever uses witchfires, because buffs are so much easier to pull off.

>>52946987
That list naked is less that 750.

Fucking how?

>>52946987
Without knowing equipment we can't be sure, but those Marine points are looking very similar to 7th.

>>52946957
>There are not nearly enough ways to counter Psykerd outside of using your own Psykers
You're seriously telling me you can't kill a 2 wound marine? Or if it's a "can't defend against the psychic phase" like >>52946961 is also saying, I still can't fundamentally agree. I see absolutely nothing wrong with a non-psyker being unable to withstand a barrage of magic. It happens in the fluff, it happens in game, hell it happens in many other settings. You cannot fight me on my home turf, you'll have to use your own tricks to counter mine. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

HOWEVER I fully support rolling the phase in a general "command" phase as other anons suggested. That does not infringe on my abilities but it adds more interactivity for you.
>>52946977
Then I guess you're fucked and I don't mind that. Tactics.

>>52947015
Isnt the game a 7th edition game?

>>52947025
I thought it was meant to be 8th, but I'm trusting a friend on that since I don't into facebook.

>>52947024
How is that tactics? It's decided at list building not gameplay.

>>52946974

>I'll still kick your ass with spells and you can still wreck me with sword and bolt.

Well, the SOB could likely throw a soulstorm at you in the same phase and nuke you with divine fire if everyone gets a 'Do fancy things' phase.

I do find it hilarious that 'Divine Buster' is a canon thing the SOB can do at this point. Apparently they rediscovered anime and thought Nanoha was a documentary.

>>52947015

Yeah, the sisters points look like they're from 7th, but they're missing about 1k points from the match limit.

>>52947015
Anon love you could fit 9 Immolators 3 exorcist, 3 fully kitted dominion and 6 fully kitted Battle Sister squads at 1850 and still have points left for more upgrades.

This has to be 8th points or GW is fucking retarded

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>>52946987
>150+150+150+150+200=1750

>>52946987
That seems like just the sort of list they'd bring if they were revealing plastic Battle Sisters
let me dream

>>52947046
They probably just fucked up and forgot to include most of the list. If those are 8th ed points we're in for some small ass games.

>>52947039
It's tactics because if you really wanted to get off your powers, you can focus on killing my psykers to free up your own casting AND cripple mine.
>>52947040
I don't mind that. If you're able to do it, then that'll be cool. Faith vs Chaos magic, I've always wanted to go up against sisters.

>>52946867
30 Guardsmen for a handful of Tau battlesuits is no waste. At that ratio the Tau will be crushed in a decade.

>>52946987
All but the Sisters list add up to just under 1750 but the real confusing thing is that the Orks player listed "Lord of War-400".

What kind of person just lists the unit type? Are they trying to build hype for yet another disastrous game where they forget all the rules?

Oh shit, I wonder if that is why they are dumbing it down for 8th? They finally actually played the game and had no idea how to do it.

>>52947063
Also I'd like to add, not every spell is worth denying. I might let you cast your buffs if I see a better use for my dice.

>>52946474
book?

>>52947063
If it's so easy to kill psykers my one or two squads will be dead by the time I kill enough of yours to make a difference.

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>>52947074
TAU ARE THE BIGGEST AND THE STRONGEST

>>52947079
What else are you going to spend deny dice on?

as necrons, do you get anything other than warriors?

>>52947079
If a person is only bringing one or two psykers to try and buff units I highly doubt you're going to be holding on to those deny dice.

>>52947074
Guardmens with no ammunition. They can't even bayonet charge the fucking flying things.

Beside the Marines are the tools not the Guardsmen. Marines are made to die in battle like the brainwashed fucks they are

>>52946058
Nids take the area with them too bio digestive style nigga, nids ftw

>>52947092
For what?

Psychic phase sucks
Denying psychic powers sucks

Roll it into another phase and just have a "to hit" chance for every power based on psyker's goodness, and then balance powers accordingly

>>52947102
for armies.

What does a standard/competetive necron list look like? I'm out of the loop regarding these things

>>52947063

>I don't mind that. If you're able to do it, then that'll be cool.

Oddly enough, that's an actual SOB thing now. It's the fluff being St Celestine's 1/game orbital bombardment attack. Unlike a marine, she doesn't have a space ship in orbit.

So she calls down an apocalypse of holy power.

It originally turned up in the FFG RPGs and people mocked them a lot about the idea that SOB could learn the Soulstorm faith power that let them shoot a beam of holy power like a magical girl. Then it turned up in the actual TT.

I am completely ok with this and would honestly find them continuing to turn the SOB into full on D&D clerics (Healing the injured with a touch, calling down blessed fire) a nice way to finally give them that separation from Marines they've always struggled with.

>>52946987
When does the livestream start?

>>52947109

So just have

WS 4+ BS 4+ PS 4+ on a model?

>>52947114
They basically all use the decurion in the book. You then take canoptek harvest/destroyer cult for competitive, or just whatever for casual.

>>52946381
What narrative role did oldcrons serve that wasn't already taken by nids?

>>52947097
>Marines are made to die in battle
Actually the bulk of marine augmentations are to make sure they don't die in battle.

>>52947089
>>52947095
GAH! Mea culpa 100%, I had a brainfart.
>>52947109
But then how do you perils? On a 1 you have the psychic "Gets Hot!" ?


>>52947083
I'm saying yes, it is generally that easy. What's the statline on an astropath? 1 wound T3 with a t-shirt save? It's not hard to flatten with a stray shot, just aim for them or their squad above others. Target priority tactics are common.

>>52947130
thanks

>>52947140
In the sense that they are made for war and to die in battle. Marines don't die of old age. Like pure and glorious human do

>>52947109
They can have it work like Cyberthurgy in 30k. You take a leadership test and subtract an amount specified by how "Good" the spell is.

So a rinkydink magic missile would have no modifier but Invisibility (As it is now) would be at -3.

Have natural double 1s be a fail+Perils and double 6s be a success+Perils.

>>52947118
I fully support that and any other army having fluffy as fuck rules. I hope they bring sisters back in force and do that for them.

>>52946404
That's also a reason I want it to be in the shooting phase.

>>52947154
I meant subtract the number from your leadership, not the dice roll, so invisibility would make L9 into L6.

>>52947154
>>52947173
And I also got the fucking perils results the wrong way round, too fucking tired to be making up shitty rules.

>>52946702
Started a DG army January, I'll get in 2 games tops before the change, suits me fine since Ill be getting loadsa new models.

>>52947154

My concern with it being leadership is it's sorta narrow (Oddly enough because leadership is very broad).

It doesn't really allow marines to have a mediocre psyker as they are all super brave by default and also means that any psyker of note is automatically a great leader of squads.

>>52947152
>and to die in battle
And as I said, the intent behind their design is to not die in battle. That's why they lead such long lives despite the constant fighting.

>>52947145
I just want power's to be based on the individual psyker rather than an aggregate, so you don't have psyker batteries and mass deny dice.

Im a big nids fan, have been for years, also just started eldar, why all the hate for nids? New rules are looking fucking sweet for em in terms of close combat and movement

>>52947197
Point taken.

Still the Ultramarines are idiots

>>52947206
>why all the hate for a shitty NPC race who have players who frequently suffer from delusions of grandeur

You tell me

Fuck off, dumb leaf

>>52947191
Tacticals are LD7 now fyi

I want to read this book so badly. What is the name?

>>52947222

Yeah but leadership is also on 1d6 now.

>>52947206
Please don't let /tg/ actually determine what you think of a faction in 40k. Otherwise all factions would just be endlessly differing levels of marines for people to argue about with a tiny group of non-marine factions squashed away somewhere in a corner and constantly being trashed.

>>52947227
Ummm....

>>52947203
that sounds realistic and I'm allfor it, despite my own overall power being lessened. I'd be up for that. Casting spells, barring any special rules that allow any different, should be based on the individual. Denying would be psyker vs psyker, not psyker vs army.

>>52947191
I had originally thought leadership would be even more dynamic with the introduction of battleshock but they seem to be pretty much fixed at the old levels.

But yeah, doing it off leadership isn't an ideal way, but it's the only thing I could think of.

>>52947214
Blood Ravens are the best.

What are some good faction choices if I want an elite low model count army? I hate painting hordes. I've heard Grey Knights but I don't really care for their aesthetic tbqhfam.

>>52947214
Sicarius is an idiot, sure.

the other ultramarine in the posted excerpt seems pretty chill

>>52947252
Custodes

>>52947216
I really wish someone explained the Canadian Nids meme.

Do their screeching sound like "sorry"?

>>52947252
Custodes have the lowest model count in the entire game.

230+ points per unit.

>>52947247
It wouldn't even have to a be a lowering of power, as all of your psykers would be casting powers instead of funneling them into a few dudes.

>>52946827
No. Sicarius is always protrayed as a complete twat.

>>52947254
I think he's the guy who grows up to be the Master Executioner of the Ultras, 8th Company Captain.

>>52947271
>It is noted that Numetor was chosen over by then-Sergeant Cato Sicarius for this position due to the latter's tendency to use his battle-brothers as distractions instead of a unit.
hue

gotta wonder how sicarius even managed to get his hands on a captaincy in the first place

>>52947097
>Guardmens with no ammunition. They can't even bayonet charge the fucking flying things.
They can use their Uplifting Primers and Regimental Standard journals to throw at drones.

>>52947138
The ancients "among you"/space zombies.

Agri worlds settled since before the crusades have mountains split open and thousand or robo skeletons march out impervious to fire and the few that fall either stand back up or march out of monilits restored.

>>52947263
So each Psyker gets to cast a power based on their level of psykeriness? That works. You would have to increase the cost of most battery psykers as they can actually do stuff now and also change how powers are selected, because low level guys should only be able to cast the scrub powers.

>>52947263
It would technically be a lessening of power because right now f.ex I field 5 ML3 psykers with my Thousand Sons on top of the Rubric/SO ones I generally don't cast with. I get 19 WC to play with and I can blow all of them on one sorc if I please, especially if he rolled some choice powers. Being based on the individual, each would only generate 3 points and that's what they have to work with. It's quite restrictive but perhaps that could be used to add more flavour to psyker-heavy armies.

TS, GK and other such armies could have exclusive rules that allow more of their psykers to assist each other. It would make them more powerful at casting and make them stand out.

>>52947250
Blood Ravens are a mixed bag

wonder what their primarch was

>>52947285
Cause he's apparently the best. Knight-Captain of Macragge and all that.

>>52947285
Agemann got sent to first company after it was mostly killed off during the battle for Macragge, Sicarius was at that stage I think Chapter Champion and somehow got the vacant second. He then apparently had the seconds trim colour changed from yellow to white.

>>52947287
That loosing your manual will get you into the penal legion if you are lucky.


Also it was suit not drones.

>>52947252
Armoured BattleGroup IG

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>>52947296
Who do you think?

>>52947285
Tyranids decimated ultrasmurfs hard on the battle of Macragge and you can't fill those high-up positions with literal rookies.

>>52947295
I mean you could change how the system works to compensate, like you can just spend warp charges to cast an appropriate level power and then take a ld test to see if it works. So lvl 1 psykers would be stuck casting low level powers and lvl 3's would be throwing around the big stuff.

>>52947319
Incompetent Primarch for an incompetent Chapter.
They might as well have Horus as their Primarch.

>>52947324
I don't think there was really a lack of recruits. I mean even after Macragge Ultramarines went on to win virtually every battle they ever fought so its not like the loss of men at Macragge seemed to have much of an adverse effect whatsoever.

>cast a number of powers up to their mastery level
>cast is D6, passes on a 4+
>add mastery level, subtract spell level
>1 is perils, reworked to account for happening 1/6th of the time

>>52947329
Wasn't that how it worked in 6th? You can only cast powers whose charge is equal to or lower than your master level? I distinctly remember being annoyed cause Aspiring Sorcerers couldn't cast breath of Chaos even if they rolled it cause it cost 2 charges.

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>>52946987
>200+150+150+150+120 = 1750 Points

>>52947352
I'd prefer random powers went the way of the dodo.

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>>52947296
>implying
They are real heroes.

>>52947239
Too true, just wanted a reason as to why people think they're shitty in battle, i dont think they're the worst, like hear this out, 30 termagents max for one group, equip devourers' thats bloody 90 dice for a single unit costing 240 points, strength 6. Like, wack yourself with three lots of those bad boys, thats standard infantry. Idk why all the hate for nids, ive never encountered anyone else even playing them besides me, just kinda baffles me

>>52947351
That's actually not that bad. harder for ML1 dudes to cast big shit, and even ML3 dudes cast WC3 powers 50% of the time.

It does mean outliers like Magnus being able to cast his own gaze 50% of the time but then you can have special rules to account for that depending on the model.

>>52947252
Eldar, high points, great output, aesthetic af

>>52947257
You know how small children sometimes do something naughty but because of the context you laugh rather than tell them off?
And then as a result they continue to do the naughty thing expecting to evoke the same joyful response because they're unable to that their action was only humorous because of the context?

Nidleaf poster is that child

>>52947360
Me too. The biggest qualm against this would be "everybody takes invisibility" but since they're reworking all disciplines by virtue of a new ruleset, that could be avoided.

So if the rumor of Ultramarines vs Death Guard as the new starter set are true, who's buying it?

It's hard to think of two armies I'd be less interested in. Space Wolves vs Harlequins, maybe.

>'plastic sisters of battle aren't real'
>'which is cool'
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee

>>52947381
Fucking Nidleaf posters.

>>52947368
Devourers are str 4 and termagants are t3 6+ is why.

>>52947388
Everyone was already maxing rolls to try and get it anyway. Might as well give some incentive to pick some different tables.

>>52947363
Your model friendo?

>>52947403
Btfo again and again.

>>52947403
What, where?

>>52947413
On stream right now

>>52947403
THE NEEDLE TEARS A HOLE

>"Not plastic sisters of battle, we would never do them"

>>52946362
I read a really good suggestionsfor the Psychic Phase I liked awhile ago, however I forgot most of it.

One part was:

After rolling to Deny you could:
- Use 1s to try to cancel the power (same as current, except 1s instead of 6s)
- Use 6s to HELP them, but increase their Perils chance.

>>52947400
Guess depends how Plaguey the Death Guard are and if the NuMarines have Ultra symbols on the models themselves.

>>52947433
They actually just said "no, plastic sisters are not coming"
Thanks, GW
Also >Command Points
Are they actually playing 8th edition now?

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>>52946715
>Aeldari

Me thinks thou protest too much

>>52947456
Is that stream of today?

>>52947468
Yes.

>>52946902
I'm not against each faction having their own specialised anti psychic tools, though currently only the Imperium has something like that, I just think it should actually be a specialised choice and not something every random nobody in the army can do.

>>52947252

Black Legion. CAD with Terminator Troops in Ob-Sec Land Raiders.

>>52947476
I really dislike this streaming time.

So they made a bad SoB list and no plastic SoB.

Geez I wonder if they even know they sell miniatures

Link the livestream please!

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>>52947457
But anon, you are the faggot.

>>52947336
>They might as well have Horus as their Primarch.
Wasn't Horus the best?

>>52947481
>, I just think it should actually be a specialised choice and not something every random nobody in the army can do.

The issue there is that it becomes dead weight if the enemy didn't bring psykers.

>>52947465
>Me thinks
Methinks

>>52947468
Yeah, current stream lists command points. Just a tease, I think.

>>52947494
I'm all for doing the lists you want (I'm gonna start running 20 sister squads because fuck you) but yeah, it doesn't seem to make any sense to take Dominions and then give them flamers.

SOB BTFO

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>>52945314
>mfw

>>52947494

Is it actually the list on the site? As that's about 1000 points short of the 1750 they listed.

>>52947499
Deployment ongoing at twitch tv/warhammer

>>52947523
>twitch tv/warhammer
yeah but where's the new 8th FAQ livestream? they said they'll be doing one today.

>warhammer encourages math

>>52947540
>good gamesmanship
Clearly they never met a Tau player.

>>52947517
No, they half ass it like always. They just putted the units with no upgrades.

Also if this is 8th Dominion squads are gone or GW can't into basic list building

>>52947246
The cover has paper in its construction.
And also a picture

>>52947554
But only the Sisters player half arsed it. All the other players recorded their unit prices at the correct levels.

I wonder if they forced that guy to play sisters purely to rile people up about them.