Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1467: Straight outta Zendikar Edition

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>>52931647
>Now the Gnosis (or as you put it, the salt demons) aren't a result of the Zohar at all. It's effectively what happens when a human dies, sees the Collective Unconsciousness (U-DO) and decides "Naw, fuck that shit". They eventually get regurgitated back into the Lower Domain (real world) and because they don't have a human body anymore, they become Gnosis instead. The strange thing is that Gnosis can't technically perceive each other due to the nature of their rejection; they can only see themselves and the masses of Gnosis is because something lures them there. The Zohar is one such possible method to lure them, part of why it's so dangerous. This is also VERY BAD as unless something is done, Gnosis will overflow the Lower Domain and cause both it and the Upper Domain to catastrophically collapse. So U-DO is studying us to figure out why we would reject it, and it's theorized the Zohar is one of the ways it's doing that.

Sounds like it's a good idea to reengineer things so that all humans can live happily as immortals, so none of them have to experience identity death and this god can piss off for trying to force that on people, and humans that righteously reject it aren't turned into monsters.

>>52930456
>Arrowverse Jumpchain
While this is being updated...
>Kinetic Energy Absorption (1000mp)
>Nucelar Physiology (1000mp)
>Vibe (1000mp)
>Speedster (1,000mp)
What is Kinetic Energy Absorption from? Was this a villain of the week or something? Either way, the first two do not seem quite as good as the latter two. Have you considered 800 CP for KEA and Nuclear Physiology?

>Comes with cool glasses that help you focus and maintain your vibes for as long you wish & only with these glasses on you’re able to vibe across dimensions which post-jump is locked until you spark, however you’re able to vibe portals through your own dimension allowing you to cut through space & time as if teleporting; as well open a portal allowing others to travel vast distances in blink of an eye.
This vibe text needs removed or revised. Considering we have yet another example of a viber who does not have Cisco's problems, which more and more seem to be Cisco being afraid of his power, and not training his power like other heroes do.

And Vibing should let you reach other dimensions within a jump. DC, Marvel, Hero BBC, worm, many jumps have alternate dimensions in the setting.

Could you add some more stuff from later seasons, like that creepy idol from last season?

>DRAWBACKS
>LIMIT OF 2 DRAWBACKS
This needs changed to the modern standard of a drawback limit based on CP, not number of drawbacks.

You might add a note that this jump does not preclude a supergirl jump if someone wants to make one.

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Contemplating updating Fire Emblem Heroes to incorperate seals and skill inheiritance, somehow.

>>52937423
Hell of a Rap album

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>>52937098
Huh, /awesome/. How're you planning on doing backgrounds then?

I'd probably have done them based on the Castes, with Adamant as the Drop-In... But you could have any of them as Drop-In by just starting them as their Alchemical body is energized, without the memories from various reincarnations they'd otherwise have had.

Perks is honestly the part I would've had the most trouble with if I'd have had to do it, maybe some based on the Eight Nations? Compass: Autochthonia had some weird stuff too, like that conspiracy that's binding their soul to their bodies through ritual suicide, or the glass walkers communing with Autochthon through their crystal growths.

Items... We'll have loads of Magitech for purchase, right? Beamweapons are nice, Gyroscopic Chakram are iconic, a supply of Soul Gems would be cool, I really like the Crawlspace Creeping Unit despite it not being that useful myself, and the Munifactory's great, as is the Light Obelisk. Perhaps even an Encounter Suit?

And, of course, a pet rat. To keep up the morale!

You'd probably get some Vats (and basic technicians) for free, to swap out your Charms after the jump?

Expensive purchase for a team of Alchemical Demiurges and a fiber connection to Autobot in your Vats, to let them create new Alchemicals in other jumps, assuming you can supply the extremely rare components and souls, and Autobot feels like it?

I'd assume the Alchemical form becomes an altform after the jump, with Charms still working in other forms but looking much like Eclipse Castes who get them?

Hope this isn't too much to throw at you right away? Kinda excited to hear someone's working on it.

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>>52937442
Approved!

Jumpers, how good are you at rapping?

Rolled 65 (1d816)

Threadly jump topic roll...

>>52937459
Sounds good to me, NikaMoth.

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>>52936913
Still working that out for most of them.
Reading through oadenols codex to get a feel for manse work has been a ton of fun though. Much more than I expected.
Makes me wish Dragonbloods had manses available. Elemental manses are really cool

Wukong pls

>>52937514
Beelzebub!

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>>52937442
Well the other thing you can do is try to show the U-DO entity why humans would want to reject becoming a part of the Collective Unconscious. It's legitimately confused about that and wants to understand why people reject it, and so it's got a myriad of ways to try and probe humanity to figure out the answer. If the jump ever gets made, find a dude named Abel. He's basically a U-DO avatar.

Another option to contact U-DO is through dreams. It's implied those pure of heart are able to subconsciously connect with it via dreams, such as Shion who even survived direct Gnosis contact (which usually turns them into salt piles or Salt Elementals a la Gnosis). So using those or the Zohar would be ways to talk to it. As long as you can withstand the CRIPPLING FEAR that seems to come with it. It's implied that this fear is what U-DO feels, as being the ONLY Wave Existence, it is absurdly lonely and aware of that fact. Those who turn into Gnosis are likewise completely alone, only able to perceive themselves and as such could be seen as reflections of U-DO's loneliness. U-DO doesn't ask people to reject it, nor does it ask people to unify with it. These things just HAPPEN and U-DO's just as curious for why that happens as anyone else.

It's a pretty fucked up place, and the only blame can be shouldered on people like Dmitri and Albedo who figure they're gonna fuck it up even more.

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>>52937452
Kinetic Energy absorption was a villain of the week. He "stopped time" which really he drained all movement. Flash had to speed up to power on through.

The glasses stay, its based on Cisco not others. Plus they're a cool homage back to Vibe in the comics. As for reaching other dimensions post-jump/pre-spark eh.

Creepy Idol? I wont add everything because there's a lot of crap that's only shown once and tossed away.

I'm gonna make the Supergirl Jump. I'm waiting for the S2 to hit Netflix so I can binge on S1 & S2.

>>52937514
This setting is fucking weird and stupid, and it's also a shounen manga. The jump itself isn't badly written.

>>52937514
It's another one of those settings which seem to encourage borrowing power from / cooperating with Companions.

Which really sucks if you're a solo-Jumper or rotate out Companions. The jump itself is written VERY nicely, however.

>>52937561
Why is it babies? What is it with shounen manga and babies? I thought it was weird in reborn, but it's here too! Is there something I'm missing?

>>52937570
There's poor precedent for convincing God he's wrong desu.

>>52937556
>Makes me wish Dragonbloods had manses available.
It has one, It is aspected the same as you and increases the chance of your children exalting.

Wish the coffee/cigars were cheaper in that jump so I could afford it.

>>52937665
It only involves A baby because said child was sent to Earth to be raised by the vilest beings. The baby's a demon, younger Beelzebub.

You see an assortment of other contracted demons and spirits, but the main character's contracted with baby Beel.

>>52937723
I understand the in universe explanation of why, I'm saying it's a strange trend.

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>>52937556
It does have one available, the Dragons Cradle.

>>52936913
Let's see... I've got these from the various jumps:

Scrying Stone (Qlithu-Sohtk, Sidereals) This one was present, gives me visions of past, present, and future.
Withering Gem (Morass of Virii and Manifold Beings, Infernals) I can give someone a non-contagious disease that can't be healed by mundane medicine, whenever I want.
Wyld-Sky Jewel or maybe the Sign of Chaos or Gem of Madness not sure yet (Phrye, Lunars) Can make the sky become an ever-shifting tableau of Wyld prodigies and celestial impossibilities, shifting randomly between bright and dark.
Panopticon Stone (Invisible Fortress-like Manse, Mortal Heroes... after extensive redesigns.) Manifest a small hovering sphere of glass, identical to an eye of Orabilis, but works for me.

...And I've probably got a bunch more, build on my own. I like manses. They're nice.

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>>52937697
>>52937744
Guess I should learn to read huh.
Still it would be nice to have some variety.

>>52937733
Okay wait. Trend?

How so? Sorry for missing that.

So did the Log Horizon jump we had a wip of forever ago ever get finished, or was it abandoned?

>>52937585
>As for reaching other dimensions post-jump/pre-spark eh.
That is not a very good reason for making the power not work like it is supposed to post jump. Yeah, other jumps should be time locked unless you are in that jump or have a relevant continuity drawback, but not other dimensions in the same jump.

And the Idol was the focus on an entire flashback arc, and then sought by Damien in the present. Way more then a one episode deal.

And KEA was that turtle villian, gotcha.

Good to hear about Supergirl though.

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>>52937514
>Beelzebub - 529
Age: 16-years-old
Background: Martial Artist
Location: Ishiyama
Contract: upgrade Bahamut
-Affinity: Volcano
Drawbacks: Solomon Company (+0), Let’s Do This Mano-a-Mano (+300)
Final Point Count: 1,300 CP
Perks:
-The Hands of a Master (Free)
-A Disciple of the Greats: Izuma Eight-God School
-Black Techs
-Eight Deadly Sins
Companions and Equipment:
-Companion Import (200 CP)

>>52937772
You mean the TWO attempts?

Both abandoned.

>>52937760
It's happened in other manga dude. Example 1, Reborn.

>>52937802
Oh Dark Magic/Light Magic. Eh, idk how that would fit in. I guess I could make it a 600cp no discount purchase in perks. Due to how powerful they are.

>>52937744
Oh! Phrye gives Oramus-aspected Hearthstones? That's good to know.

>>52937514
>>52937561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHVEqsyitwE

>>52937935
>Dark Magic/Light Magic
Yeah, I guess I could have been clearer. The idol that gave you powers based on how many people you killed, and its counterpart.

I just remembered it when you posted the update, because when it came up before, it was neat because the consensus was it was not using the dead as fuel, but gaining power from the act of killing. So you could use it with something that did use the souls itself.

>>52937482
>Huh, /awesome/. How're you planning on doing backgrounds then?

I was thinking to do them as "Why You Deserved Exaltation" (so Drop In, Populat, Militat, etc), and then Castes for items.

For Perks, yeah, a few bits here and there. More to capture bits of the flavour, rather than power.

>The People's Painter: Head held high, arms out, bearing a hammer and wrench - the glorious worker's industrial prayer, immortalised in the thousands of luridly coloured propaganda posters that are often the only touch of colour in the daily life of the Populat. You, of course, are too humble to mention that a good percentage of the latest Initiative To Uplift The Stalwart Worker consists of your compositions, featuring some of the most famous and influential denizens of the city. Etc, etc [Know most movers-and-shakers, great talent at Soviet-style arts].

Items - yeah. Definitely. Plenty of them, Caste-based for their default form discounts (but you can get them in any material).

For Caste, I was thinking that would give you a "starting loadout" of charms, then item discounts. Only one or two actual perks - modularity and equipment is a big thing afterall. I'll probably tinker with that though.

Vats as part of the Warehouse, yeah. Getting an uplink to the full library of all existing Alchemical Charms and a nerve-tap to Autobot will cost though...

Void gets some love as well. The Gremlin Armour is basically a companion... sortof...

Is TopHat there?

>>52937810
>>52937514
H'ooooh, I... never actually did finish Companion builds for this one.

Let's fix that real fast:

Seras Victoria:
-Background: Delinquent
-Violence Breeds Strength (Free), Spellmaster, The Rampaging Jumper

Bahamut - free Contract Partner:
-Background: Demon
-Demonic Energy (Free)

The Hildibrand Troupe:
-Background: Drop-In
-Let's Go At My Pace (Free); Multiple Demonic Contracts
-Demon Sparkling Transformation Wand

Killer B:
-Background: Martial Artist
-The Hands of a Master (Free); Black Techs; My Name Is Per Jum

Dante:
-Background: Demon
-Demonic Energy (Free); Eight Deadly Sins; The Hands of a Master

Lady Lightning:
-Background: Delinquent
-Violence Breeds Strength (Free); Spellmaster
-MY HOUSE!

Yugiri Mistwalker:
-Background: Drop-In
-Let's Go At My Pace (Free); Mind Games; Multiple Demonic Contracts

The Substitute Teacher / "Uncle"
-Background: Demon
-Demonic Energy (Free); Eight Deadly Sins; Violence Breeds Strength

>>52938136
>Dante:
>-Background: Demon
>-Demonic Energy (Free); Eight Deadly Sins; The Hands of a Master

Ohey I think I just heard all of Hell shitting itself in raw existential FEAR.

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>>52937999
There's a lot from the Oramus, Lunar, or Wyld-stuff aspected Hearthstones that would be appropriate really. Take your pick, with a slight slant towards mystic stuff or time-fuckery (if there are any).

>>52938111
>I was thinking to do them as "Why You Deserved Exaltation" (so Drop In, Populat, Militat, etc), and then Castes for items.
Hm, interesting. Doesn't that change with every reincarnation though? With Alchemical memories being a patchwork and Championship being earned over multiple lifetimes, it seems odd to single one thing out.

>For Perks, yeah, a few bits here and there. More to capture bits of the flavour, rather than power.
>The People's Painter
Seems appropriate, and that sounds cool.

>Items - yeah. Definitely. Plenty of them, Caste-based for their default form discounts (but you can get them in any material).
Nice.

>For Caste, I was thinking that would give you a "starting loadout" of charms, then item discounts. Only one or two actual perks - modularity and equipment is a big thing afterall. I'll probably tinker with that though.
M'kay, seems decent.

>Getting an uplink to the full library of all existing Alchemical Charms
Isn't that standard and integral for the Vats though? All of them being connected to the noetic archive?

I guess it's not so for Vats in Creation, but it'd get a lot harder to get Charms without the archive, while Creation-based Vats are mostly inconvenient because they need physical shipping without the transference system (and the lower quality thing).

>and a nerve-tap to Autobot will cost though...
As it should.

>Void gets some love as well.
Nice. Though how would Gremlin Syndrome works afterwards?

>The Gremlin Armour is basically a companion... sortof...
Huh, okay. The Metsubou gremlin-armor? That seems... interesting.

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I need to kill a divine being that is stupidly powerful and I'm only at jump 8. What can I do to rectify this problem? More esoteric solutions are acceptable.

>>52938355
Be more specific if you want a real answer.
Who is it and what do you have available?

>>52937561
[Asskicking One's Way to the Top] is legit a really good perk. Like, actually very useful.

>>52938355
It fucking depends. Gods can range anywhere in power from having power over that specific toaster to being literally omnipotent. Be more specific, senpai.

>>52938355
Get an anti-divine NP in Fate/. Think there's a Servant Skill specifically for it, too. If the god you need to kill is a member of an actual race, you could use Dragon Capture Jar from Shadow Realm to debuff it to high heaven. Neptunia has some anti-divine stuff in the Pirate/Virus tree, I think.

There has to be more anti-divine stuff elsewhere, but I don't recall any from the top of my head. This is all assuming you can push whatever jump you need to take on this guy back, anyway.

>>52938386
Who it is would likely result in a shitstorm so we can boil it down to typical high power level goddess shit. I've got a variety of general magic stuff ranging from GURPS summoning to all the magic perks in Quest for Glory. I also ensured that I was the Nerevarine in Morrowind and possess those perks as well. Not likely to be very helpful but I also took Lich in Adventure time. Lastly, I have Elder Blood from the Witcher.

The only caveat is that Fate/ is off limits as I have specific plans for those jumps.

>>52938477
>typical high power level goddess shit.

That tells absolutely fuck all.

SPILL THE BEANS, DING-DONG. WHO IS IT.

>>52938477
You need to be specific with thd god. Some of them are different than others.

>>52938477
>who it is would likely result in a shitstorm
If you're just going to pussy foot around it don't bother asking questions.
There is no typical high powerlevel goddess standard. She could be literally omnipotent to "merely" planetary.
I have to say that from what you've told me you have you don't have a chance in hell of doing anything considering the extremely limited information you've given.
Take more jumps or don't bother.

>>52938265
This made me laugh far more than it should have.

>>52938477
No one can answer your question if you don't tell us who, you stupid fuck, we have no idea how powerful 'high power level goddess shit' is. What are your standards?

What can high speed divine incantaions actually do? Is it like pre modern era mega magic or something? I mean in fate.

>>52938477
>Who it is would likely result in a shitstorm
Fate!Amaterasu? Luna? Jump-chan? The Chousin?

"High-power goddess shenanigans" is still vague as fuck and not really helpful, especially considering "high-power" is itself relative.

>>52938528
Hell's cuh-ray-zee levels just skyrocketed.

And nobody knows how any of this is going to play out.

>>52938554
With Dante eating pizza while sitting sideways across a throne in hell, obviously. Bad ass guitar solo and bursts of flames in the background are required.

>>52938477
Just run through all he Exalted and Dragonball jumps. Those'll allow you to combat most forms of "high-power". You're gonna get vague answers if you ask vague questions, anon.

>>52934049
How powerful is Ultra Noah? Would the ultraman suit, Galactron and King Joe be able to take him together? Cant the grantechtor be bought separately from the Cosmo Techtor? Can it be used on the ultraman suit?

Is there a limit to the amount of Permanent Charms an Exalt can have active? Is there a limit to what kind of effects can be made Permanent, assuming you're willing to put in the requisite time and effort?

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What are some good perks/abilities to use to show people that you are, in fact, from another world?

>>52938477
Go to Minecraft and take Mystcraft. Lure the god into a Mystcraft World, then destroy it's descriptive book.

>>52938345
> Time fuckery
That depends. How do you count the Mortality-Entangling Gem from BWC?
> This diamond-bright stone flickers in and out of visibility. When its bearer would be killed by an attack, it shatters in a breach of causality, so that the bearer both does and does not die. The bearer finds herself standing over her own corpse at the beginning of the next scene, unaffected by the killing blow. Magical possessions on the body are not duplicated. This is a Blasphemy 5 effect

Also, on the
> "Why You Deserved Exaltation"
front, remember that souls are tracked in Autocthon - a soul is chosen for exaltation as a matter of excellence over multiple lifetimes, with a bias based on the outstanding actions and the themes of the Caste.

>>52938691
An alien alt-form.

>>52938691
The Warehouse and similar dimensional travel, especially those dealing with parallel worlds. To prove that other worlds do, in fact, exist. Other than that, there's nothing much to say you're really from another world so much as the world is different from they thought.

The absolute best way is probably the Door of Shopping from Three Star Gauntlet, unless there was a restriction that you couldn't bring other people along.

>>52938674
There is no limit. As to what sort of effects can be made permanent, most of the canon Permanent charms are upgrades to other charms. "So long as this charm is active, when using charm X you can add Y effects to it", stuff like that. The stand-alones tend to be defenses, making the Exalt more durable or resistant to magic or harder to mind control.

>>52938691
Go to zendikar and become an eldritch guy.

Go to lovecraft and get shoggoth form.

Go to overlord and get mindbreaking skeleton powers, or anywhere with psychic mind stuff.

Become a eldritch shoggoth, if anyone doubts you arent from around here its likely you will drive them insane.

>>52938345
>Isn't that standard and integral for the Vats though? All of them being connected to the noetic archive?

Yeah, probably best to leave the archive connection as a freebie. It'd make it really hard to progress as an Alchemical if you didn't have access, and access would actually justify later gaining Colossus and Municipal Charms.

Not at all sure if I want to try and tackle Giant Robot Jumper and Metropolis Jumper... but it's interesting.

Oh, and inb4 "What happens if I use the City of Heaven on my Jumpopolis Self?".

>>52938345
>Nice. Though how would Gremlin Syndrome works afterwards?

Still considering how to do it - possibly having it only taint the Alchemical Alt-form.

But then, if you want to sacrifice everything for power...

>>52938845
Actually, something I forgot: Lots of charms are Indefinite, meaning they last so long as you commit motes to them. Given that a Jumper could theoretically get an enormous Essence pool, those could be made effectively permanent. And Indefinite charms are all over the game, you can get those for nearly any non-instant effect.

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>>52938674
>Is there a limit to the amount of Permanent Charms an Exalt can have active?
Permanent Charms aren't really "active" they're just permanent enhancements to yourself.

>Is there a limit to what kind of effects can be made Permanent, assuming you're willing to put in the requisite time and effort?
Most effects can't be. Pretty sure the corebook notes published charms to be cutting-edge advancements over milennia of development in efficiency, custom effects with just lower motecosts aren't a thing. Permanent Charms are also somewhat rare, though Infernals have more of them than usual.

Things like Ox-Body and Soak-enhancing stuff seems to be the most common Permanent Charms.

>>52938731
>That depends. How do you count the Mortality-Entangling Gem from BWC?
Huh, yeah. That probably count.

Not sure how that'd work with death in jumpchain...

>front, remember that souls are tracked in Autocthon - a soul is chosen for exaltation as a matter of excellence over multiple lifetimes, with a bias based on the outstanding actions and the themes of the Caste.
Yes, that's what I tried to say? There's no real guarantee that all those lifetimes would be Populat or Militat or anything else, and I'd actually be suprised at that.

>>52938868
>Yeah, probably best to leave the archive connection as a freebie. It'd make it really hard to progress as an Alchemical if you didn't have access, and access would actually justify later gaining Colossus and Municipal Charms.
Mhm, alright then.

>Not at all sure if I want to try and tackle Giant Robot Jumper and Metropolis Jumper... but it's interesting.
Yeah, no clue what to do there. They're cool at least.

>Oh, and inb4 "What happens if I use the City of Heaven on my Jumpopolis Self?".
...huh.

>Still considering how to do it - possibly having it only taint the Alchemical Alt-form.
>But then, if you want to sacrifice everything for power...
Hm. Right... Seems kind of a "Nope, Nope, Nope" option to if it sticks...

>>52938477
Hit up Kamigawa for the Siblings of Spirit and Flesh, allows you to have two bodies, and the Yamabushi Capstone. It kills the crap out of most gods fairly well. If you want to gain something from it then grab Consume, Yamabushi's capstone item, so you can gain powers from eating this goddess. That should cover a range of things, seeing as you've got access to a Nuke and I can't think of anything else to add to the build with such lacking description but here's what I've got.

1. Spilt off into two.
2. Rush the goddess with one of yourselves after undergoing a ritual that makes your next spell Super Effective vs goddess
3. Cast Thermonuclear Detonation, it's a spell you can learn in Quest for Glory
4. Deal with the fact that your other half just blew up into a God-Slaying Bomb and you've received a mortal wound.
5. Eat some fruit/drink some health pots from Quest for Glory

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>>52938674
>>52938910
>Permanent Charms aren't really "active" they're just permanent enhancements to yourself.
Aaand I forgot the important part. Derp.

No, there's no limit to how many you can learn and thus have "active".

Jumpers, what are your weaknesses, or the longest time you went without covering a weakness?

Since air aspect includes electricity could an Air Terrestrial pop off a spark with a mote of essence to light a fire?

>>52938691
The Truth from Generic Creepypasta. Civilization has a similar perk.

>>52929966
>For class card heart if we beat King of Heroes drawback can we take that class card as our heart, or do we need to choose right now to take effect?
You need to choose one of the ones on offer when you start the jump. You can't take the card you get from the drawback as your class card heart.

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>>52939039
>what are your weaknesses
waifus

>>52939060
Probably. Might not even cost you the mote of essence if your Aspect Markings are electical in theme.

>>52930298
>52931710
Thanks.

>>52938868
Thank you for taking up Alchemicals, Mir-sempai.

>>52939095
But anon, that's Justice's weakness.

Air aspect dragonbloods seem like they have a bit of cheese, some terrestrial charms only work when touching or being surrounded by your element.

Air and to a lesser extent Earth have a big advantage there.

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>>52939297
And this is yours.

>>52937935
I forget, the Waverider is a lot bigger on the inside, right?

>>52939315
..

You mis-posted there, anon.

Like, you just straight-up missed.

>>52939315
The fuck is wrong with you.

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>>52939256
waifus are a diverse and versatile weapon against jumpers.

>>52939039
actual hand to hand swordfighting is...well, my jumper doesn't suck at it but they're certainly much better at magic than swordfighting.

Writer Nika also is incredibly moody and angsty and will dredge themselves in a million blankets if something sets them off like what happened to Achilles in his poem until someone invariably pulls them out of it (Usually Hans or Cu, sometimes its NYLOCKE, MASTER OF EMOTIONAL CONSULTATION)

Doctor's Companion Jumper is seriously indecisive (which is very bad whenThe Doctor and EMIYA start arguing) and has an annoying habit of pretending everything is ok and not talking to anyone.

>>52939315
either you misquoted, or this is the dumbest post in the thread

>>52939297
Dragonbloods can get every aspect if they try hard enough.
It's no big deal. Water aspects are theoretically the best due to martial arts being their thing anyways.
Being able to dip your toes into celestial tier abilities easier is worth far more than being able to whatever bend.

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>>52939357

How well would an alchemical exalted get along with a phyrexian or in phyfexia?

>>52939019
Great Forks would be Riverspeak right?

>>52939456
-2/10 chemistry there.
Unless the achemical was all about void tech it would be a kill on site sort of thing.

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Got the 200 CP's done. Any issues?
https://pastebin.com/t5h55j4L

>>52939488
Answer the question. Is this, or is this not, a replacement for the existing Persona jump.

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>>52939456
Not at all. Phyrexian anything would be considered Void-stuff on sight.

>>52939473
Yup, it's right in the Scavenger Lands/former River Province.

>>52939509
You've been told it's not before.

>>52939509
It's not. It's a jump of Persona 5, which wasn't out when the existing Persona jump was made.

>>52939509
You soggy head of lettuce, of course it's not.

>>52939509
No. I'm not even entirely certain they take place in the same universe, given the differences in the mechanics of the Collective Unconsciousness.

>>52939488
Well, Picaresque and Friends and Confidants appear to have been doubled up on, at least on my computer.

>>52939333
Eh. It has multiple layers. Also a hidden compartment.

>>52939488
You have the 200CP Joker and Phantom perks listed twice. Other than that, it seems good.

>>52939488
Looks good, English. Also, how much is the capstone booster going to be? Because I'm really liking both the Joker and Phantom Thief perks so far, and I'm going to need enough CP for the Velvet Room as well.

Oh, also this >>52939541.

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>>52939488
everything checks out so far, carry on

>>52939564
500 CP, and >>52939541 fixed.

>>52939582
Cool, thanks.

>>52939315
retarded

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>>52939039
I'm new, so I still die to bullets and all of that.

By the way, anyone got a list of canon feats for Fishman Karate?

>>52939694
>not going high-power right off the bat

Jumping wrong.

>>52939516
I cant help but lovs your little pictures, they are adorable.

>>52939710
>going high power from the start
Jumping wrong, and stupid.

So outside of buying the perk for one of them, how would I go about permanently absorbing a Class Card or permanently imbuing someone else with it?

>>52939836
Are they technological? Magical? Details, details!

>>52939836
Can probably replicate it with an Exalted Charm actually.

>>52939836
Pulling Powers Out Her Ass.

>>52939836
Maybe if you used that perk from Kingdom Hearts to tie it to someone's soul?

>>52939895
Would take exponentially more Chi than you have because you're attempting an exotic effect, so it kills you. Chain over.

>>52939836
Be an Immortal from Lost Odyssey. :^)

>>52939694
>That Pic.

Damn, now I want a Perk where all the "boss" monsters I encounter have a full on title like this.

>>52939918
Resurrection perks.

Or just stick it on a companion and let them die in your place.

>>52939918
>Not having infinite Chi
scrub tier

>>52939883
Would probably be a custom charm of more than 6 Essence, so it's impossible.

>>52939950
Exalted is a higher power level than Fate, there's no reason why Class Cards would be more than 5 Essence.

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>>52939488
Will there be an option to be a cat?

Please post Boktai builds.

>>52939936
>Or just stick it on a companion and let them die in your place.
That's not how that works you stupid fuck. It also doesn't matter if you have resurrection perks, the effect doesn't even go through because you didn't have enough chi for it, and it still kills you anyway. Get fucked, your chain is now double over.

>>52939883
I don't think there are charms that allow you to absorb artifacts and have them work like a part of you permanantly.
There's something for fusing a weapon to your arm, but that takes attunement.
Even if you could custom one up what charm tree would it even go in?

>>52939836
Actually, question because I'm unfamiliar with canon. How extreme is the mana drain? If you have a much large pool than the average mage and something like that perk from Samurai Girls, is it possible to just outpace the drain and keep the card activated indefinitely?

Jumpers, what are your themes as Devil Tigers?

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>it's another lets be totally fucking retarded because nobody can stop us episode.
Why must you do this?

>>52939836
Is there a canon example the perk of based on?

>>52939975
>That's not how that works you stupid fuck.
Really? So a companion who uses that perk would make you die if they "overdraw"? And no, a resurrection perk would work just fine. Of course, for some reason I'm assuming you're not the shitposter. I'm probably wrong, tho.

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>>52939998
Dominance. Religion. Control. Morality. Dominion over the physical world. Judgement of souls. Punishment. Glory. Keeping a connection to and part of myself in all my minions.

>>52940017
It doesn't matter who does it or who dies because they overdraw, it still isn't going to actually go through because you don't have enough chi for it, and it will kill you anyway for trying. Your chain is now triple over, if you don't have three 1-up perks, you have now been sent back home and then died on earth for trying it a third time even though it didn't work the first two like the idiot you are. Now shut the fuck up and go away.

>>52940061
You're either salty or a stupid motherfucker.

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>>52939918
I mean, is it really? It'd be exponentially more costly, but it shouldn't be almost impossible like you're implying. It helps that they're based on a magic system that pretty much runs on ki.

>>52940061
Timmy, the point of using companions is so that when it doesn't work, and if it does kill the user, they can just respawn/not end the chain.

>>52940088
Damn fucking right I'm salty, you're still fucking posting, fuck off.

>>52940098
Unless you have literally infinite ki, you can't do it because you don't have enough.

>>52940011
There's Shirou who gains the abilities because h was using a version of himself. He describes it as the heroic spirit Emiya invading his body.

Or there's Kuro who was originally a split personality of Illya caused by her memories and powers being sealed away so she could live a normal life who managed to form a body using the class card as the heart of it.

What are some ways to give away a perk? Like just move it from one person to another, so Smite Golden Chains and SMT Magatama aren't working for me since they leave a connection/remnant of the perk.

>>52940116
Doesn't matter, you die anyway, your chain is now quadruple over.

>>52940147
Faustian Bargain from Ghost Rider is exactly that.

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>>52939039
Magic, Ranged combat in general. I only grab enough of either to not be completely pathetic, and to try and cover my weaknesses.
Except for any Magic that lets me make and/or enchant things. I grab those up like crazy.

Not sure what the longest I went without at least trying to cover a weakness was.

>>52939256
I have less waifus than a number of other Harem Jumpers.

>>52939357
>Of the MC's pokewaifus Pidgey is Best Girl

>>52939998
Love & Justice are the two most obvious ones. I also have Redemption, Teaching, Physical Combat, Crafting, Life-crafting, Rage, the elements of Wind and Fire.

>>52940095
>Still no Kemono Friends jump
I would have thought meme magic alone would get us the jump.

>>52940098
He's just shitposting. It's possible as long as you have a proper magic converter perk set up. Perks to merge pools together combined with perks to extend magic/ki/chakra use Infinity combined with pool increasing buffs stacked on top of one another if necessary.

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>>52940156
I would take a crack at it but I don't know enough to put together a decent jump.

Is it possible to produce Magical Materials (and crafting resources in general) with Exalted Sorcery?

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>>52939039
Physical buffs. For some reason, I never go to jumps that give me inherent physical buffs, so if I ever go to a gauntlet, I'm kinda screwed. I mean, like, my magic tends to be three kinds of immune to antimagic, and I'm generally some flavor of immune to mere physical damage, and I back it up psionics ki, or even just ultratech, but if I actually get into a fist-fight without my powers, I'm utterly fucked.

Fortunately that never happens on the grounds of refusing to take powerlessness drawbacks and gauntlets.

>>52940155
>Lust & Judgement are the two most obvious ones. I also have Brainwashing, Nepotism, Massacring , Plagiarism, Mutilation, Rage, the elements of Hypocrisy and Self-Righteousness.
FTFY.

>>52939315
Did you link the the wrong post, buddy?

>>52940196
It isn't that hard.
Come up with 3 or 4 backgrounds. 3 perks for each if you're short on ideas or 4. give a standard companion import, give them lots of CP if you want. make a 50 CP item so no one screams about 50 CP leftover. add 3 - 6 items on top. write 6 drawbacks. done.

>>52940213
The salt is real.

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>>52940207
Aaaand I just realized that I made a very unclear statement. I mean that my jumper doesn't ever do exercise or practice with his physical skills. Also, he has no physical buffs. So he's epic screwed in situations where he can't kill it with magic.

... Which is rare, admittedly.

>>52940202
Not really. That's more of a Wyld Shaping Technique thing or Thaumaturgy for refining them the normal way.

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>>52939039
Writechain Jumper (Destroyer of Worlds, Anon!) is impressive in terms of mundane fighting ability and technology...annnnnd...that's it. He's very human and has a bad habit of pushing his physical body way too hard.

Cat Wizard is absurdly competent and powerful, but if you took magic out of the equation, he drops to 'merely' pre-Super Dragonball levels. Aside from that, laziness and apathy has ruined his creativity, and he never exercises the bare minimum of effort. He's physically immortal, but you don't need to kill him to make him go away - just try hard enough that he gives up and goes home to shitpost about it on the BBS.

>>52940232
Nah. It's all in the mind, y'know?

>>52940237
Could I use Constructive Convergence of Principals to create the materials I want to use for crafting?

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>>52940232
Ah leave them alone, it's kinda cute.

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>>52939998
Still a work in progress, but it's a little like this.

space, celestial objects, memetics, magic, procedures, stability, friendship, eternal, overwhelming, unpredictability, foxes, dreams, discovery, fluffy tails, improvement, interation, infinity, support, velocity, the future, recursion.

I took a lot of inspiration from existing yozi, but I tried to keep it distinct enough to not be cribbing from them 100% of the way. Still trying to bring it all together into something that makes senseReally tempted to just throw half of oramus's themes in there too. At least then I can justify not making sense

>>52940232
He told me yesterday that killing Sakura's dad is making him butthurt, but I have no idea why he's so invested in that character.

>>52940333
wat

>>52940369
Right before a thread fell off, the anti-Justice shitposter said, paraphrased "JUSTICE IS A FAGGOT FOR SAVING CHARA BUT KILLING SAKURA'S DAD! HE IS A GOOD DAD WHO DINDU NUFFIN!"

>>52939998
Major Themes: Flame, Craftsmanship, Forging, Life, Nature, Dragons, Passion, Love, Lust, Wolves, Dogs, Family, Loyalty, Guarding & Protection, Elements, Evolution, Genetics, Emotion, Knowledge, Magic, Partnership / Teamwork, Inner Beast, Light, Celestial Bodies, Healing, Fertility, Singing

Minor Themes: Spiders, Chains, Cats, Martyrdom, Self Control, Balance, Blood, Roses, Contracts, Law, Ribbons, Webs, Greed & Hunger, Hope, Flesh, Unwilling Leadership, Accidental Escalation, Symbiotes, Stars, Color, Contained Anger

... Yeah I know they're going overboard and/or becoming more encompassing than what Yozi / Primordials typically represent. I'm well aware that I apparently know nothing about Exalted's anything.

>>52940261
I'm pretty sure the writers have talked about how some Artifacts required ingredients that could only be made through Wyld Shaping Technique, so probably.

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>>52940369
He's been trying to insult me, in the exact same way, since I mentioned I DESPISE Tokiomi for selling Sakura to Worm-lord. Because I am of the opinion that the chances of Tokiomi not knowing about the Worm bullshit was very very low.

>>52940261
Yes. You just have to spend experience - "The character can instead spend (Resources value x 2) in experience points, carving the necessary land or wealth out of his soul" or equal resources in Jade or Orichalcum (Exalted Core, p217) - with the second purchase (Wyld-Cauldron Technology) for each material necessary. The Solars used such techniques to make impossible materials in the First Age, which they then used for crafting powerful artifacts. This requires the 'second purchase' of Constructive Convergence of Principals.

>>52940333
I think it's because Justice wanted to kill or at least beat the shit out of Sakura's dad, who he believes to be a total asshole, when he was just trying to do what was best for her and had no idea what he was sending her to. Meanwhile, he's perfectly willing to help redeem/SAVE someone like Chara, who canonically is a genocidal murderer, and who describes themself as a demon. Doesn't help that Justice considers Chara a girl, which by itself is fine but can be misconstrued as "Justice is willing to redeem her because she has a vagina but wants to murder the shit out of Sakura's dad because he doesn't."

That, or he's just a shitposter. Probably the latter, really.

>>52939998
Time, Photography, Candy, Repetition, Cycles, Travel, Friendship, Philanthropy, Music, Robin Hooding, Buisness, and Swords.
>>52940213
Do me next!

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>>52940417
Forgot my image.

>>52940261
>>52940408
>>52940397
You don't even need to spend experience. There is an upgrade to Mind-Hand-Manipulation that lets you turn ANYTHING you kill into Essence-1 Resources, of any resource you want. It even lets you turn them into magical materials.

>>52940261
SWLiHN has charms to punch people into resources.
You dont' need to shape ingredients when you can just deck someone hard enough to turn them into orichalcum.

>>52940410
He's a Magus, so doesn't that categorically make him an asshole anyway?

>>52940408
...

You think the little expenditure-removal thing from the Ring of Elru in Overlord could help with that?

>>52940443
You would need to shape more exotic reagents beyond Resources 1, since some items have an intrinsic value that's higher, but with the reminder from >>52940439 you'd just have to create enough Jade or Orichalcum for it with Mind-Hand-Manipulation, yes. Forgot about that workaround.

What're the best perks for playing kingmaker and forming alliances?

Let's just say I have plans for treaty-brokering once I'm done.

>>52940410
Rape really pisses a lot of people off. Even if that guy doesn't know what happened to Sakura, in fact sending your daughter off to be raped by worms and her adopted brother every day for the next decade is going to make a lot of people hate the man, rational or not.

>>52940446
I think it's more a matter of how much of an asshole he is, given that Justice believes that he sent Sakura to Zouken, despite knowing about the worms. Now, we don't know for sure if that's true or not, since Zouken was respected by a lot of people. Could just be that Tokiomi saw him as a renowned mage and not as the monster he really was.

>>52940443
>you can just deck someone hard enough to turn them into orichalcum

>http://nobilis.me/quotes:principle-invoking-onslaught

>>52940439
>>52940443
So I could get all the Jade, Orichalcum, and moonsilver I want just by paying an enemy village a visit? That sounds great!

>>52940410
It's all a matter of perspective. Due to Zouken's reputation, the reputation of the entire family line really, and the fact that Tokiomi was very close with the family I honest doubt he didn't know what he was sending Sakura into. Canon doesn't confirm either way, but considering what I know of the series, and the fact Tokiomi was created by Urobutcher who loves his DESPAIR, I doubt that he didn't know.

As for Chara? I buy into the 'Chara is the narrator' theory, sue me. Said theory means that Chara in the Pacifist route is a (kinda)good person still, it's Frisk's/The Player's actions that drive them completely over the edge.

>>52940524
You could get it by going into a forest and killing some trees.

>>52940511
It's not like Sakura would dearly want to be reunited with her family, since she loves her dad. Nope, gotta murder him for doing what he thought was best.

>>52940514
All Magus keep their family arts secret. Zouken's worms, the secret to his immortality, and you think he'd let anyone outside the family know? Particularly since he was renting out land from Tokiomi? I can;t imagine the caretakers of the Fuyuki land would care much for an immortal, soul eating monster existing on their territory.

>>52940524
Pretty much. You don't even really need to kill someone.
I dunno if it can do yellow jade, but everything else should be fair game.

>>52940489
Charisma perks, PtV.

>>52940548
Sakura is kind of a disgusting monster who pulsates with worms, gets off on being raped by her brother by imagining he's Shirou, and also goes off to fuck random strange men when her worms start acting up.

So I have a hard time feeling bad for her at this point.

>>52940537
>the fact Tokiomi was created by Urobutcher
Actually, fun fact, that's not exactly true:

Takeuchi: He was a character whose image changed 180 degrees from what I hat thought in the early stages. However, now he has become a character who can't be pictured any other way
Urobuchi: Since Rin inherited her kindness from her father, I was given some hesitation about killing off his character, and so I ventured to put him in the position of the bad guy. However, by personal standard, he's a traditional person without a single thing wrong about him.
Takeuchi: The Azoth Dagger that took Tokiomi's life. During the episode when Rin received that, only the people who view the story from a position like that of a god can feel something akin to the sense of inconsistency in life.
Urobuchi: As he watched over Rin pour magic into it as it were valuable, Kirei was most likely coldly smirking.

>>52940514
But all Magus' are assholes. The more respected you are as a Magus, the more of a monster you probably are. Even if the guy didn't know, he probably wouldn't have cared anyway, because that kind of shit is just what magus' do.

>>52940548
You do realize that Jumpers will break those over a knee just by existing right? If limiters aren't on in all likelihood most Magus would be hopping on Justice's dick to ride the preggo machine. It'll be Diarmuid's NTR eyes multiplied by several thousand times.

>>52940537
>Zouken's reputation
He's dead. That's his reputation. He pretends to take the place of his descendants. Not even Tokiomi knows it's actually the original Zouken.

>Family rep
What rep? That they helped out the Tohsaka's centuries ago and have not caused trouble in their time as tenants since?

>Close with the family
No, really. The families were allies but Tokiomi not 'very close' with them. At best it was landlord and tenant combined with a bit of old family alliances. Tokiomi is close with the Kotomines.

>Meta argument
No, actually. Despair is worse because he didn't know and dies believing she's safe. Everyone being evil doesn't make for despair. Breaking someone's hope or twisting their dreams and loved ones does. So not even that meta argument makes sense.

>>52940537
>>52940584
Shit, I forgot to include the "DESPAIR" part. He was in fact made by Urobuchi, I just thought I'd include that him being an asshole wasn't the original plan.

>>52940486
>Should the attack kill the target, an appropriate Shaping can transmute her corpse to any other matter with a Resources value less than the Infernal’s Essence.
It isn't a max of resource 1, it is a max of resource (Essence - 1). Since the charm requires essence 3 any infernal capable of using it would be able to create Resource 2.

>>52940586
This. If somebody's a Magus, their odds of being completely morally bankrupt knee deep in sin is directly proportional to how successful they are.

>>52940673
Just like how powerful stand users are either completely retarded or/and pure evil.

>>52940586
Let's just ignore all actual character traits and depth in the series. They're all assholes, even the ones that show they aren't or show good sides are really just assholes in disguise, despite them never showing it.

>>52940435
Why are there so many pictures of Dave Strider as a girl, anyway?

So does the copy of the Broken Winged Crane you can get from the Mortal Heroes Gauntlet contain the rituals necessary for an Infernal to become a Devil-Tiger?

>>52940401
Considering the amount of very wierd and unsettling things magic user of that setting get up to, he really should have performed due diligence sufficent to get such basic knoweldge of how they 'train' their next generation.
Either he didn't perform due diligence before signing his daughter away or he did and went ahead with it anyway.
Either way, bad dad. Worse Dad Ever!!!

Of course he could have performed what he regarded as sufficent investigation and due diligence and simply come to wrong conclusions or been blocked from hearing the really bad stuff due to magus tendancies to keep information to themselves especially about their family magic.

>>52940700
>Let's just ignore all actual character traits and depth in the series
It's Fate, there is no depth to the series. It's just fanservice and True Magic. What do you think you're reading, the Bible?

>>52940401
Even outside of that, selling your daughter because of "muh traditions" is the type of thing that should get you beaten to death.

>>52940650
But that means that an E6 Infernal can just murder his way into big piles of 5 dot resources!

>>52940712
No. Nobody in the setting has ever become a Devil Tiger or even knows things like that could exist. If you go Devil Tiger in the jump, you may be the first one.

>>52940725
>the Bible
>deep

>>52940731
Yes. Yes they can. The charm is very very powerful.

>>52940721
Zouken is a master plotter and sneaky bastard. With a few hundred years on Tokiomi too. I doubt Tokiomi would be able to find anything no matter how hard he searched. The worms are just one part of the magecraft of that family and he could have hid them all in some bounded field in the tunnels somewhere.

>>52940731
You can buy Resources 5 at character creation. It's not a big deal.

>>52940728
>selling
>muh traditions
Good to see you didn't read it.

>>52940731
Anon you would be surprised how easy it is to wrack up Resources in Exalted. Generally speaking the Resources background does not last very long, it's mostly for what gear you start the game with. Exalted can gain ludicrous amounts of Resources very VERY quickly.

Magical Materials are harder to get a hold of, this is true. But it's still not as massive an advantage as you might think.

>>52940725
>It's just fanservice and True Magic
How good at the first magic would you have to be to just summon fanservice out of thin air?

Is there anything that could make an Exaltation more closely connected to/an actual part of your soul?

>>52940745
The Bible is the original meme story. It's the deepest of the deeps.

>>52940712
Nah. Nobody even knows that's supposed to be possible.
Not even the Yozi.

You shouldn't actually read that book anyways.
Only bad things happen if you do. Unless you cheat really hard with the copy book, but then it's still probably not worth it.

>>52940750
I can't believe I paid CP for replenishing supplies of Vitriol and Moonsilver, I may have to retcon those builds.

>>52940767
I think it would be easy if you have a good set of permanent Charms first, then you wouldn't need to be that good at all.

>>52939998
Self-shattering, harmony, spellcasting, hiveminds, broken glass, knowledge, and daisies.

>>52939039
Most of my mental boosts are magical, so antimagic.

>>52940783
Vitriol isn't a Magical Material, it's a natural part of Malfeas' world-body. You MIGHT not be able to make that with said charm. So having replenishing supplies of that is still handy.

Also you can distill Moonsilver and Orichalcum from ordinary Silver and Gold if you know the proper methods anyway.

>>52940650
Shit, that sounds nice. Does it have to be a sapient being, or does it also work on animals?

>>52940820
It can be anything you kill with Mind Hand Manipulation, even plants.

>>52940820
see>>52940520

Are there any relatively safe jumps that offer powers/items that can effect the age of others?

I'm currently starting a very companion-heavy chain, and I want to make sure that I don't accidentally age them to death by assuming they can handle extreme time extension drawbacks.

The only one that comes to mind is that one devil fruit from one piece, but I already have plans for that jump.

>>52940820
Apparently it works on trees, considering this is Exalted I wouldn't be surprised if it works on rocks.

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>>52940703
I dunno. Convenient for me though.

>>52940598
>Diarmuid
Aka not an asshole Lancelot.

Cursed into having his mindrape spot, tricked into listening to the princess through a geass, wouldn't even touch her sexually until the king said it was okay. He was basically forced into his situation and tried to do everything to make it okay.

Mallory copied him to make Lancelot, and removed all the morality from him. Nobody cursed Lancelot with a sexy freckle. Gwynevere didn't geass Lancelot into doing anything for her. And Lancelot sure as shit didn't wait for Arthur to divorce Gwynevere and give him permission to marry her before he fucked her daily. Lancelot is just a cunt.

>>52940846
Take them to Exalted, and nullify the aging problem

>>52940820
It only costs 1m and 1wp to use it (well also the 10 mote commitment for mind hand manipulation but that is so good you might as well just leave it on all the time.

With jumper tier OOC willpower and a decent essence pool you could just walk around spamming it at anything you want.

>>52940791
Permanent charms that do what exactly?
I suppose shaping could do something like that with will and motes, but that's wyld only unless you cheat reallly hard.

>>52940394
>Passion, Love, Lust
>Roses, Chains, Ribbons, Webs

There are very easy jokes I can make here.

But I'm going to be classy and let another anon make those jokes.

>>52940812
But it is a Resource right? Why couldn't you create it with the charm?

>>52940864
You know, that makes me kind of curious. What would happen if you switched the two? Lancelot would probably get his ass kicked, where as Diarmuid would be an actually loyal knight. Arthurian Myth would have had a happy ending here.

>>52940864
Fate Lancelot isn't an asshole at all. The Arthurian Legend Lancelot is pretty inferior compared to Fate Lancelot, so there's no pointing comparing them.

>>52940891
Is this the new kind of shitposting or are you seriously just throwing exalted at every problem despite it not fitting.
Exalts aren't immortal. Not without pulling miricles out of their ass.

It's also not a safe setting by any means.

>>52940764
I watched the anime. Is there a different reason in the LN beyond being pressured into it by what amounts to the types of people you'd find in bad HP fanfics?

>>52940907
Permanent charms are permanent improvements to you.

When you "attune" your Essence to an Artifact, does it require constant investment, or does it just keep working until you no longer need it? Does it lessened your maximum Essence pool?

>>52940907
Couldn't you use something like Solar Flare Methodology to shape your essence into fanservice?

>>52940944
I know, but what are you doing with the charm.
What effect does it have?

>>52940945
You have to pay a set amount of Essence to use the Artifact and you can't recover that Essence until you de-attune yourself and can't use it any more.

>>52940927
Mallory Arthur had a pretty distant relationship with Gwynevere, so I could see him being willing to divorce her and let Diarmuid have her. He'd probably exile him to France or Ireland or something instead of taking him back to court, though, because otherwise it'd undermine his power as king.

>>52940928
>Fate Lancelot isn't an asshole at all
He did everything the canon Lancelot did, he is thus an asshole. The only difference between Fate Lancelot and the folklore one is that Fate Lancelot drove himself mad with guilt, while folklore Lancelot didn't give a fuck.

>>52940846
The Age Changing Device from KND. I still want to update that jump someday.

>>52940927
Nah, Arhtur had a bittersweet ending before Lancelot got added. Mordred's daddy issues are powerful stuff.

>>52940864
Lancelot's whole is basically "Lancelot is a fucking beast when he's killing shit but is terrible at chivalry."

>>52940939
No, I'm serious.
http://exalted.xi.co.nz/wiki/ManseRelay/GemOfImmortality

>>52940986
>But is terrible at being even the slightest bit decent as a human being
Fixed.

>>52940957
Maybe? That's pretty creative, but it would probably just be gun porn.

>>52941000
He just wanted fanservice.

>>52940985
How strong is the psychic resistance provided by Clone Wars' Anomaly?

>>52940921
It's not exactly a normal resource, which is why I said 'Might'. It's the only thing I would say 'consult Mardukth for' when it comes to MHM.

>>52940939
A Tier 5 Manse can produce a Hearthstone that makes you immortal. They even offered one to Chejop Kajak(An Sidereal dying of old age, who was around at the end of the Primordial war). He refused.

>>52940991
That requires you to build and maintain a rank 4 Earth Manse and puts you in a very dangerous setting.

It would be safer to get the age control perk from Narnia and Sacrificial Bestowment.

>Fate talk
So I'm curious. Anyone watch that new FSN abridged series that just started?

I liked the first episode. If it turns out good, might be cool to have an option to go there in the FSN jump.

>>52940940
Even watching the anime makes you wrong. The guy didn't sell her, he gave her to the Matoi because he loved her. He thought she'd be miserable at not being taught magecraft like her sister, since only one can inherit the crest, and wanted her to be happy and grow up to meet her potential, like any good father. Knowing he couldn't do that himself, he went to an old family ally he knew had no current magical heir and made the offer- teach his little girl magic as if she was your true heir and you'll have a powerful, talented young mage able to carry on your legacy.

Could he have taught her a bit of magic alongside Rin? Yes but she'd be lagging hopelessly far behind and would never be the main focus, always left to the side because Rin was the heir to the entire family's legacy. So he tried to do what he thought was best.

The fact that Zouken was Zolgen, that he was a monster and never intended to use Sakura as anything but a container for the black grail, not as a successor, was never revealed to Tokiomi. What possible reason could he have for giving his daughter away if he didn't think it was for her own good? Zouken certainly didn't give him anything else in return.

>>52940417
Entropy, soul stealing, diabetes, repetition, repetition, national lampoons family vacation, bias, socialism, the hippity hop, thievery then socialism, thievery again, and swords.

not him tho

>>52940999
Well yeah that to but the point of the story is that Lancelot is an amazing knight in war and literally just the worst at acting like a knight should.

>>52940991
That's a five dot hearthstone. It's not something that you'll be able to just get dozens of. Keeping control of a manse that important is really fucking hard.
And making them is even harder. Not to mention that you need an artifact to even use the damn thing.

>>52940991
That's wierd, I remember it as a level 5 hearthstone.
In any case, very expensive and ifficult to get. Not something to hand out like party favours.

>>52940846
OnePiece has the Age-Age Fruit, as you already know,
Generic Xianxia allows you to make people immortal through an expenditure of energy sufficent to blow up a mountain but allows for the energy to come from external sources.

>>52941023
Couldn't they technically just get the Wine of Youth and then duplicate it infinitely? Or just do Essence infusion? Or just Longevity Merit?

>>52941053
Hearthstone Amulets are Artifact 1, and most Dragons have multiple of them

You're correct about the Manse part, but it's incredibly easy to get something to use a Hearthstone.

>>52941079
I...don't know. I don't know enough about the Wine of Youth. It's never been something I've paid any real attention to.

>>52940846
Ranma has some shrooms.

>>52941031
And that's why I take that one long term drawback, and get on good enough terms with the Tohsaka to adopt Sakura instead of the Matou.

>>52941025
>It would be safer to get the age control perk from Narnia and Sacrificial Bestowment.
I have no interest to go to Narnia.

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>>52941012
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No seriously. I definitely wasn't thinking how strong or weak that perk should be when I wrote it.

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>>52941083
I'm not saying it's hard to get an artifact. I'm just saying that you need to attune something and hold onto it to keep the benefits.
It's not reliable over long periods of time.

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>>52941029
Eeeh, wary of starting it. Most abrigded series just make me cringe real bad. You've got exceptional ones like SAO abridged or DBZA (Though honestly I'm of the belief that one is one the decline some of the time. Might just be growing dislike of the rest of TFS outside of DBZA). It'd have to be really, really good for me to put an option in but I'm not totally opposed to it.

>>52940984
Amusingly, Fate Lancelot is actually worse. Fate Arthur found out about the affair and was fine with it. Arturia and Gwynevere only got together for kingdom morale, they didn't actually love each other and were not in any actual relationship, since Arturia was female and had no interest in such things. Arturia forgave them and asked that they stop for a while and make sure it stays secret. They completely failed at that and even then Arturia still forgave Lancelot, except he had a massive shitfit and helped start the rebellions that would eventually lead to Arturia's death. Not only was he forgiven for his sins, he continued committing them and when finally punished, had a tantrum and got everyone killed.

No fucking wonder the other knights told Lance to fuck the hell off when he showed up to try and help fight, or that Lance feels guilty as fuck.

>>52941025
I don't think SMT counts as a safe setting either.
It's pretty fucking awful actually.

I remember that with the proper perks in Infernals I could end up with a first age Solar, a Devil Tiger, and a Demon all in my head TFS Nail/Kami style.

Am I remembering that right?

>>52940939
So, related question here because I'm not exactly and expert and can't remember if this is right or not, but do Solars have a Charm they can continuously buy that increases their lifespan by half again or not?

>>52941031
I distinctly remember them saying they were pressured into it and Zouken was asking HIM for her.

Even in that case, that's still a shitty thing to do. He may have had good intentions, but that doesn't mean he's not a terrible father and an idiotic piece of shit.

>>52941183
Why does that sound awesome?

>>52941183
Yes.

>>52941183
Yes you can. You need orphan cub and the old solar perkline, but you totally can.

>>52941194
Well Nappa the obvious answer is because it is awesome.

>>52940991
Didn't the Scarlet Empress basically sell her soul to the Yozis for immortality? Why didn't she just get one of these?

I feel like the people defending Tokiomi think that Kirei is a stand-up guy and didn't do anything wrong because he can't be happy unless he's making people suffer and he's just trying to be happy

>>52941185
You distinctly remember completely wrong.

How does it make him a bad father? he couldn't provide for her in the way he thought she needed so he made sure she would be provided for. He did the best he could with how he was raised and how he expected the rest of his family to be raised. How does it make him an idiot?

>>52941185
Solars have life extension Charms. They don't last forever, but in the First Age people were projecting that they would eventually develop a version that granted immortality.

Lunars have one the lets them age backwards while hibernating. Abyssals, Alchemicals, and high Essence Infernals are immortal.

>>52941217
She already had an immortality hearthstone, she was just paranoid about losing it someday and wanted true immortality.

>>52941233
I feel like you're the guy thinking Tokiomi is a monster and you're trying to deflect because you don't really have anything to prove it.

>>52941242
>age backwards while hibernating
Would you happen to know the name of that Charm?

>>52941172
Don't forget about hellsing.

>>52941260
Who cares, it's still all his fault, whether he knows it or not.

>>52941242
Minor correction. Infernals have to go devil tiger to become actually immortal.
High essence infernals will eventually burn out if they somehow dodged the early death that comes without essence racing. It's just that nobody will ever play that out so it doesn't come up.

>>52941172
I feel you. I wouldn't say it was amazing, but I enjoyed it.

But then, I don't have nearly the investment or attachment to the series that you do.
>Though honestly I'm of the belief that one is one the decline some of the time. Might just be growing dislike of the rest of TFS outside of DBZA
Honestly the Cell shorts and Hellsing Abridged were way better than current DBZA.

>>52941185
Solars can already extend their lifespans through permanent essence increases can't they?

>>52941264
Time Bending Chrysalis

>>52941183
Yes, and you should do it.
Take that one Solar, who's name escaped me at the moment, who waged a one-many war on Hell after the Primordal War was already over as well.

>>52941264
Time-Bending Chrysalis, it also has an upgrade called "real time"

>>52941233
Kirei before Fate/Zero was a pretty decent guy for what he was. The level of restraint he showed on not being a dick is pretty damn impressive. When he dropped that saint like restraint he jumps off the evil cliff though.

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>>52941217
>Return of the Scarlet Empress
>Not just ignoring it because it's the most cliche ending possible
Okay then

>>52941233
>Kirei
You know, he actually seemed like a fairly decent guy before Sata- I mean, Gilgamesh- led him astray.

>>52940489
A Solar Exalted has charms for these, which kind of negates the need for perks specifically.
Bureau Rectifying Method, Understanding the Court, maybe Forgetful Bureau Charm if you need to remove things or people.

>>52941260
Actually, I wasn't really part of this argument, but it's funny. Even if Tokiomi didn't think he was doing anything wrong, he still did something wrong. People have every right to be pissed at him.

You might as well think Carmilla killing all those people for youth and blood was okay since no one told her it was bad. So do you think her killing all those people is okay because no one told her it was bad? It's the same logic. Yes, he thought he was doing the right thing, but it wasn't. At all.

>>52941331
Doesn't it have quite a few possible endings?

How do I destroy the grail in fate zero?

Is there any way to speed up the progression of Essence as an Exalt? Something to get around the Age/time restrictions.

>>52941331
>>52941348
RotSE is explicitly non-canon, just something for Storytellers to use if they want to.
They wanted to avoid the mistake they made with Gehena.

>>52941273
Oh, how could I forget. Definitely grew the beard that one.

>>52941288
>attachment
That's...kinda it yeah. I kinda enjoy SAO but I can still laugh at the abridged series taking the piss out of the original. For Fate, I'd probably just get annoyed if it shit all over the series

I'll give it a shot later anyway. Only fair right?

And as for TFS, I don't mind the main episodes, I still like those. It's more the rest of their stuff, like the TFS Plays channel. Used to be great, now inundated with nuzlockes, drunk streams and ridiculously cluttered stream videos. If anything, the Cell shorts turned me off the show just because of how bloody many there were.

>>52941353
Several spirits have Endowment Charms that can raise your Essence beyond normal limits. They mostly come with drawbacks except the ones used by the Incarnae though.

>>52941353
Infernals have the Ascendacy Mantles. I'm not aware of similar means for the other types though.

>>52941353
Infernals have charms for that, they come with some negatives but they go away eventually.

>>52941346
>It's the same logic.
No, it's not. At all.

>>52940939
Technically immortality is a mutation from the scroll of heroes.
It's way to cheap for what it does, but it can exist if your ST is generous.
It's not actually supposed to be something you can get without being born into it, but RAW does allow for it.

>>52941364
I wonder, do any of the third-circles of the Yozi have charms like that?

>>52941364
>>52941368
>>52941375
Please don't suggest anything from Exalted.

>>52941346
So instead of showing him how what he did was wrong and letting Sakura get back with her Dad, you believe the better option is to just murder him.

People don't have the right to be pissed. Be pissed at Zouken for lying and tricking Tokiomi into it.

>>52941235
>he couldn't provide for her in the way he thought she needed so he made sure she would be provided for.
You don't strip a little girl from her family just so she can be better at magic she ultimately didn't give a shit about anyway.

Say someone has a kid and want to spend all their efforts and money on that kid. Then they have another kid and decide "oh well, that's neat but I'm already planning to spend all my time and money on the first one, better just give her to that creepy old man renting a room from us. she'd probably want that, anyway". Is that guy a good dad? Is he really, anon?

>>52941380
>>It's not the same logic.
>Yes, it is. Very much so.
Prove otherwise.

>>52941360
>TFS Plays

You mean "three fatasses being obnoxious"?

It'd be helped a lot better if they had more than fucking Kirran, Grant, and Lani on screen.

>>52941394
>Asks question about Exalted
>Doesn't want an answer from in setting that you KNOW will work
....k

>>52939998
I don't know much about Exalted.
What all is on the table? Anything?

>>52941353
You could technically use the SuperHTC combined with a training skip and just burn a few jumps doing nothing but training. Just take some jumps that you don't care about and would be safe.

>>52941394
No.
And, too late.

>>52941394
>exalted question
>but don't answer with things from exalted
I don't think we really have things that would interact like that from out of setting.
Maybe the Hyperbolic time chamber stuff would help, but I'm pretty sure there's no perks to outright remove age barriers on improving essence.

>>52941403
Magi in Fate have skewed priorities when it comes to the importance of magic.
Precisely that little else matters.

>>52941364
>Endowment Charms

Those sound like they could be used for an entirely different purpose then just power.


If you know what I mean.

>>52941349
Hit it with Seibah really hard.
It worked in canon didn't it?

>>52941394
The Narnia perk that lets you age yourself up or the Skyrim perk that causes you to grow in power/skill faster?

>>52941431
Maybe a spell effect that shifts the internal clock of the body to fool it into aging, and add Infinity on top of that. But you'd have to be at least immortal based on age for that to really work and it seems like a roundabout way to do it when Exalted already technically has a solution.

>>52941425
http://rathess.xi.co.nz/exalted/index.php/Ink_Monkeys,_vol._46:_The_Geomancy_of_Hell#Primordial-aspected_and_Deva-Bound_Demesnes

Here are some examples.

>>52941394
Use Ageless Being from Tales of Symphonia, it gives you complete control over your age and immortality. If you want, you can just make yourself older than the universe.

>>52941484
>>52941425
>I liked the Manses part rather than Demesnes
Whoops, my mistake. Just scroll up a bit.

>>52941415
Okay, how about the simple answer.
Find a jump you can stay in for a millenium, through a drawback or a scenario or something. Hibernate if you don't want the hassle of actually being conscious for all that time.
Viola, you are now old enough to have essence 10.

what fate abridged are you talking about

>>52941288
>current DBZA
There was some anon, either on /v/ or /a/, who pointed out that they've stopped changing the story and started just retelling the canon story with the occasional joke. They called it a resume instead of an abridged series.

Dub of the North Star Kenshiro vs. Cell was the best thing they've put out in a while.

>>52941458
Now I'm imagining Shirou picking up Saber and swinging her like a bat at the Grail. Thanks anon.

>>52941500
I'm not the one asking the question, I'm confused at his strange and arcane logic.

>>52941519
Eh, That's how it's been since the start really. The story has never really changed and even the characters are just exaggerations of canon versions.

>>52941415
>>52941431
Why the fuck would you answer with something from the setting itself? I'm just glad someone gave me an actual fucking answer other than more Exalted shit.

>>52941500
I don't think you need that long. The Super HTC combo multiplied time by a massive factor. You'd only need one sacrificial jump normally to have so much experience that no one would be able to catch up to you, and if you use all the useless jumps in the drive for that, you'd probably have millions of years of experience.

>>52941464
>>52941471
>>52941496
It's more time spent alive than physical age. Getting used to the essence patterns rather than an innate thing tied to being a geezer. I mean reversing your age as a lunar doesn't change how long you've been alive for the purposes of gaining essence dots so it's not biological age.
Might work, or it might not.

>>52941542
because using shit from the setting itself instead of being a pretentious cockamammy helps you earn your fucking Essence levels, surprisingly.

>>52941555
Could a lunar de-age themselves into oblivion Satan in training?

>>52941555
Then yeah, just use the Super HTC. Between each of the Exalted jumps you should already have a handful of time, and if you keep the set up somewhere safe like an alt multiverse or something, it's not like there's any real hazard.

>>52941555
Then generic training and learning perks should accelerate the process.

>>52941360
>I'll give it a shot later anyway. Only fair right?
If you feel like it.

>And as for TFS, I don't mind the main episodes, I still like those.
Yeah, I mean I still like them. I just feel like they've kinda gotten stale at this point and are mostly, I dunno, running more off of their own in-jokes and reusing stuff more than they used to.

Never actually watched the LPs or anything in the first place, so I don't have any opinions there.

>>52941394
As I understand it, it's age capped because you're slowly gaining greater experience and some measure of enlightenment appropriate to your Exalt type, right? If so, then maybe something like the Second Magic from Fate for drawing on memories and experiences from alternate or future versions of yourself?

>>52941519
I liked the Pokémon one, myself. The sheer exasperation was hilarious.

Though I'm pretty sure those were all written by guests.

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>>52941349
Here is my best bet on how to do it, but take it with a grain of salt.

1. Don't take the continuity drawback

2. Not sure if you knew this, but physically destroying the Lesser Grail (The physical Holy Grail) is a VERY bad idea and will just spew Grail mud everywhere. In fact, it caused the Fuyuki Fire when Kiritsugu did that. So don't do that. If somehow, that happens, make sure Gilgamesh isn't anywhere near it.

3. Find a way to drain the Grail of the mana in it. It should be easy. Just make a huge wish that would be difficult to twist, like for the most delicious, biggest cake in the universe or something. You're going to want to do this because even thought Kiritsugu tried his darndest to dismantle the Grail by fucking up the Leylines with explosions in canon, the leftover mana in the Grail still made the Holy Grail war happen in ten years, or so that's my understanding.

4. Have a way to deal with the Mage's Association (or be very sneaky and fast about dismantling the Grail) because when the Grail was dismantled in canon they were SUPER MAD over it and supposedly it was a big deal, but we never did get to see how it went down. Which is a darned shame. But that's what fanfic is for.

5. Go to the cave where the Greater Grail is hidden and then proceed to wreck shit up (Especially with Kiritsugu's help. Guy's a pro at fucking mage shit up. I'm pretty sure if you let him know about the true nature of the Grail and had solid proof of your words he'd believe you and help you out.). Maybe force Justeaze's spirit out as well, but be careful about it. The Einzberns are a very powerful family and will likely have some people guarding the area during the Holy Grail war.

6. Kiritsugu is going to want to fuck up the Leylines of the area as in canon but he'll fail at it. But again, if you drained Grail of mana, you should be fine. Do that.

7. You have dismantled the Grail.

>>52941286
Could Chrysalis of Preservation technically bypass that requirement though? http://rathess.xi.co.nz/exalted/index.php/Charms:Chrysalis_of_Preservation

>>52941584
I don't know what that is, but it unfortunately stops once they hit the age they exalted at.

>>52941598
If those help you hit enlightenment then maybe.
It's also a physical thing with your body getting used to it, but I dunno.
I bet it would reduce the "XP" cost or maybe it would just have you gain XP more quickly to use game abstractions.

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>tfw this place is literaly the only place on the internet that still discusses 2/2.5e exalted like it matters.
Quit living in the past plebs. 3e is the future.

>>52941564
Using anything from Exalted that isn't just straight up perks or Items from the jump document is retarded though, and I'm never going to do it. If it's not in the jump doc itself, it might as well not exist, and I'm not going to pay attention to exalted talk in the thread because it's dumb gibberish which makes everything it touches boring.

>>52941694
Yeah but there isn't a jump for 3e. All the jumps are based on 2e. If you want to make a 3e jump and clarify the differences then you can go discuss 3e.

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>>52941694
By the Emperor!

>>52941694
>implying 3e isn't a shitfeat That's dead in the water

>>52941699
If thats how you feel why even bother taking the jump in the first place.
Do you go to D&D jumps without bothering to see what your spell list should have on it?
Such a waste.