Warhammer 40,000 general /40kg/

first for plastic sisters

First for Tyranids

First for vehicles with wounds!

5th for make terminators relevant again

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Best vehicle to date?
Monstrous Creatures need not apply.

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>>52894716
>Tyranids

>>52894656
Nth for 8th edition doesn't look bad and no matter how much you bitch and moan, the majority of your club/flgs WILL begin to play only it in but a few short months.

>>52894751
Riptide battle suit!

>>52894763
I'm disappointed initiative and templates appear to be dead but other than that from what I've seen I agree.

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>>52894729
2W Terminators
4W Meganobz.

Feelsgoodmork

>>52894793
From the FB comments, it appears that the terminators will have additional special rules to increase their survivability

Also, tomorrow it's weapons turn, so they're most likely going to show the bolter and a few other weapons profiles

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xth for TYRANIDS ARE BACK LADS

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What's their band name, again?

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I'm a little bit disappointed with new profiles. Actually hoped for bigger changes but let's wait for the rest of new datasheets

>>52894856
That looks like balls

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>>52894751

Is running only tempestus viable?
What are the most fun armies to run?

>>52894916
>most fun armies
completely subjective

>>52894875
have there been any datasheets shown?

>>52894937
New Dreadnought profile showing 8 wounds

>>52894858
Thick Boys.

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>>52894900
Fuck yeah!

>>52894842
whats most likely?
Bolter, Missile Launcher, Lasgun, Power Sword

>>52894858
stale meme

>>52894979
Heavy bolter please, my yellow dudes desire more position fortifying

I don't understand you autists. You bitch and moan for YEARS about everything wrong with the game. Last year or so the company makes good decisions, listens to feedback (dont get me wrong, not enough to make up for a decade+ of steaming shit(yet)) and now we're being given a new rework that (should) fix the major issues and you fuckers STILL belly ache about a rule set no one has seen yet!

inb4 shill meme

>>52894858

How come people who don't know how to paint love to post their models over and over again?

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>>52894842
As an Imperial Fists player, Bolter's all I really need.

Leadership 7's going to be a problem, though.

>>52894875
Like what? I think they did a good job of streamlining while still keeping some good complexity

I'm interested to see if weapons dealing multiple wounds will spill over to other models (like AoS) or just maximum fuck one guy.

>>52894997
Damn, that IS a good band name.

>>52895006
If it is on 1d6 and there are no modifiers to morale from shooting it means marines will never fall back from shooting.

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>>52894995
There's too many of us. And the ones who are content - like myself - keep quiet. So all you can hear is the people who have complaints.

>>52895024
Probably spill over. If I'm not wrong, that's also how assaulting works in 7th. It's not that crazy. Flamers and Missile Launchers and the like are probably going to be multi-wound weapons as opposed to template.

>>52894995
People are afraid of change. Grab a beer and watch the flames till the new edition hits

>>52895006
GW was testing the battleshock rules from AoS.
IE: casualties + d6. If the number is over your ld, you lose additional models

>>52895006
>>52895038
Wasn't the thing with leadership that it was like Battleshock? So you add up the number of lost models from shooting and roll 1d6 on top of that and compare it to leadership?

That means you have to lose 4 guys in a single turn for it to be a real issue. And that's assuming they don't have a special rule to mitigate it further.

whats this about sneak peak profiles?

>>52895087
go check the website, they showed profiles for marines, guilliman, terminators, and dreadnaughts

>>52894995
Well yea duh. The people complaining don't even have legitimate complaints, it's just waaaaaah waaaaah

inb4 GW puts double turns into 40K

inb4 someone defends double turns

inb4 the faction that gets double turns is Tyranids

>>52895107
>it's just waaaaaah waaaaah
Ork players are faggots, is anyone surprised?

>>52895087

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/25/warhammer-40000-unit-profiles/

>>52895110
Tyranids or Orks.

Tyranids because hunting, ambushing their prey

Orks because WAAAAAGH

>>52894656
Nth for Orkz being leadership 5 calling it now

>>52895110
Double turns?

>>52895097
>>52895130
thank.

I bet people will still find a way to complain about riptides though

With the new charge rules, I'm hoping Night Lords improve and competitive CSM isn't just Nurgle bikers across the board.

I just wanna run a semi fluffy Night Lords list that can dish out a good amount of murder

Okay i have been gone since Release of Girlyman. What have i missed. i heard 8th is coming.

>>52895169
>you go first
>I go second
>we roll off to see who goes first next round
>I go first
>you go second
AoS

>>52895191
Oh boy, You've missed a lot of shitposting
Damn shame

>>52895191
There are the 8th FAQ in the OP
Then go to the Warhammer Community site and see the new profiles

>>52894916
Heavily converted ones.

>>52895191
TLDR: Enough salt to supply your favourite fastfood chain for another decade. We Age of Emperor now.

>>52895118
I haven't seen a single ork player cry. All the people bitching aren't saying what faction they are, so I can only assume they play one of the top factions and are worried they will no longer be on top.

>>52895217
>AoS
Epic did this first.

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>>52895217
That's stupid, why would they do that?

>>52895169
In AoS, there's an ability (idk who has it or what it is) that allows you to take a second turn after your first turn. It's as broken as it gets. Better yet, there's no Deny the Witch roll on it or anything. It just happens. I think it's Tzeentch Daemons that have it.

>>52895217
Sounds great.
Especially if you get a bonus to the roll for being behind. Lets the losing player have a chance to recuperate with a couple of quick moves.

>>52894656
We will keep the epubs and PDF in the OP, right guys?

Initiative gone. Poor ork meme faggots BTFO

>>52895264
What's the point? They're going to be free
Just go to the GW web store and download them

>>52895244
Epic had modifiers to the roll, made it more interesting.

>>52895254
No to all that.

>>52895254
>Lets the losing player have a chance to recuperate
>reward people for making mistakes
No, thank you.

>>52895254
communist detected

>>52895217
awful
If you're doing that you might as well do:
player 1 and 2
>1 Move
>2 Move
>1 psyker
>2 psyker
>1 shoot etc

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>>52895254
>the army that can flood the battlefield can do it twice now
Great, game broken since day one

>>52895264
Expect there to be different shitposting generals where the OP deliberately avoids putting in the 7th or 8th edition rules links.
>>52895254
Fuck off commie.

I bought a 7e codex last week but threw out the receipt so I can't claim a voucher
I want my fucking 23 bongbucks

>T7 8W 3+ Dread
I wonder how fast it will be to gun down a Chimera with S3 and what this means for my Leman Russ Exterminators.

>>52895223
>reading the FAQ
>"This is the new GamesWorkshop™
Oh no they know about the Memes

>>52895254
>Move, Shoot, Charge, Move, Shoot, Charge isn't broken
>Recuperate
If potentially tabling an opponent before they can respond is balanced, then... sure. I guess.

>>52895277
Because fluff and they're awesome?

>>52895280
>Epic had modifiers to the roll, made it more interesting.
After certain point scale, it sure was. For small / medium games, failing 2+ activation order would usually cost you a game with no chance to recover (unless opponent follows suit).
But then, if you want small / medium games you probably wouldn't be playing Epic.

>>52895331
What you think they've never been on /tg/?

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>post yfw Ork Trukks are 1W

how are they going to decide attack order on on going combats without int? is it going to be like AoS where you roll off and choose and stuff because im not sure i like that system.

>>52895309
Skyisfalling.jpg

>>52895371
Probably everything simultaneously.

>>52895366
Poor ork meme fags won't know what to do when they get BTFO with 8th

>>52895366
What the fuck I watched this video like a minute ago

>>52895371
Charging unit goes first.

>>52895371
Possibly the unit with the higher movement goes first.

>>52895398
Ongoing you idgit

I am new to Warhammer. I have a blood angels army but they are unpainted. Is it alright to show up and play with them? There is nothing in my FLGS rules about using unpainted minis

Will the new rules make my assault army not refined shit?

>>52895398
Are you a retard?

>>52895412
Should at least prime them

>>52895412
It's fine. Do try and get them painted eventually.

Wait they replaced HP with wounds does that mean the fucking Anti-Explosion table fags will stop bitching?

>>52895371
>>52895398
>>52895400
Charging unit goes first, HOWEVER you can spend command points you gain a tot of them depending on how you build your army and you can use one per turn at most to reverse the order

>>52895217
Lord of the Rings did this and you people love that

>>52895409
Sorry. Missed that.

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>>52895391
>WS 6+
>BS 2
>5" Movement
>Can never attack first in on-going combat
>S3

>>52895409
The unit that charged still strike first in the consecutive turns, it's not rocket science

>>52895434
1 per phase, not turn

>>52895423
No. Are you ass-blasted about something? Yes. Do tell.

>>52895434
How do they determine who goes first in the next round after the charge?

>>52895464
You didn't even read their question before answering

>>52895412
Well first things first Welcome to the Brotherhood of the Blood. what are you running for your army. Also playing with them unpainted is fine but make sure that you paint them eventually.

>>52894997
The owner isn't even posting them. It's some ass who thinks he's funny.

Also hey there pot. How bout you post some of your Ogryns? We can see how much better they are.
I think RGGs models look fine.

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>>52895510

>>52894856
What do you mean we are back? When did we ever leave?

>>52895436
Lord of the Rings wasn't perfect.

It was its way of handling unit interactions that people loved.

>>52895498
I did. I was just scratching my ass at the time so I wasn't paying too close attention.

>>52895412
have more of it painted each time you play

>Gaunts are faster than Aeldari
>Who are faster than Marines
>Who can move 6"

Damn.

>>52895595
>Aeldari

>>52895566
>We're back! A Tyranid's Story.

>>52895456
Lamefag can't even get the stat line right

Do you think GW will ever go after the license to produce GoT minis?

>>52895611
Hey i am happy to hear that we are back since i recently decided to make a tyranid army. Maybe now we can get all our cool mutations back...Maybe.

>>52895563
Zero difference in quality.
I did say YOUR Ogryns though.

>>52895616
I hope not.
GoT loving normie faggots buy toys for their shitty show, find out about other workshop games, infect the community with soccer moms and retarded guys who think it's the height of intellectual television

>>52895595
Eldar might end up being 7 or 8 inches, with Gaunts being 9 or 10. I have no problem with Gaunts being basically beasts.

>>52895616
Not with the series coming to an end. LotR range didn't really do anything amazing for them either, it was reasonably successful for a tabletop game but not wildly so.

>>52895649
I mean they pretty much should have been close from the get-go its a pain in the ass that you can't run and assault with gaunts.

> 4 Warhammer 40,000 threads simultaneously.

Is this really fucking necessary?

>>52894751
Leman Fucking Russ! The third most practical heavy weapons platform design in the setting!

>>52895667
H Y P E !
Y
P
E
!

>>52894858

2 thin layers

>>52895614
Genuine fag can't even understand satire

>>52895616
>>52895646
>>52895663
Does any of you seriously think your typical GoT normie would even go through sitting down for hours slowly building and painting an army?
Besides, there's probably some tabletop player out there with a converted army of his house, given the dozens of miniature producers for medievel-ish stuff.

>>52895636

The ones I posted aren't mine true but they are much better than that crap that gets posted all the time. Just goes to show I could post Golden Daemon ogryns and you would poo poo them.

>>52895181
Eight for the Eighth!

I'm hoping terminators don't suck. I'd like to roll with some Atramentar flavor and crash a bunch of LC termies into CC and butcher shit.

>>52895667
That's pretty low for /tg/ before the age of generals.

>>52895711
Depends if they read the books before they watched the show
Although I'd guess a fair amount of bookfags play warhams already

>>52895711
>Does any of you seriously think your typical GoT normie would even go through sitting down for hours slowly building and painting an army?

Naw, this is pretty much a hobby for autists.

>>52895739
All terminators will have at least 2 wounds now. One inch less movement compared to a marine, but fuck it that's close to the fluff of terminators being slow and cumbersome so why complain about that

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Choose
Your
Alliance

>>52895649

I want to see how fast they make wyches, who were already I6 aka faster than aspect warriors. The lack of initiative makes me worried that Deldar are going to get shit on even more.

>>52895808
Chaos for muh berzonkers, Imperial for muh kernickits

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>>52895808

Xenos Empires, that is the most anime faction.

>>52895739
Well, they have two wounds and special rules to increase their survivability (for sure at least an invulnerable save, that with the return to armor modifiers could be pretty strong), so they're prospects are definitely much better than anyone could expect in the last 2 editions

>>52894979
Plasma, melts and flames will tell us more than most

>>52895811
Dark Eldar will probably have insane movement values across the board, meaning that unless you position your troops like an idiot you will most likely always strike first, even when charging through terrain or against things that used to have the same or higher initiative.

>>52895747
If they started with the books, then yes, I could see that. But how popular was GoT before the show anyway?
Also, there are dozens of low/high fantasy settings out there anyway, all of which could substitute for GoT, with a bit of homebrewing.

>>52895808

>Deathwatch and Grey Knights not in the Space Marines section

Really fires the atoms.

>>52895808
T Y R A N I D S

>>52895332
You mean like wrecking someone with turn 1 alpha strike?

I'm thinking I might actually come back to this game now. Should I try to salvage my guard(Would have to strip ~100 infantry) or just start a new army?

>>52895781

I saw, though idk how well that supports melee termies, especially when the basic Marine stat is 6" move.

>deepstrike near target
>target briskly walks away
>you literally can't catch up

Might be better if we were allowed to have Tartaros, you know the kit with the REAPER AUTO CANNON they gave to the loyalists?

>>52895868

Lets see your guardsmen befoire you strip them.

>>52895056
We could get some cool special rules for wound allocation!

Beam: trace a line from the lascannon to the nearest model and continue the line through the entire unit. Wounds are allocated to units nearest that line.

Over complicated in an Edition all about simplification? Yes but it still looks cool. Like bowling for space marines!

>>52895867
This feels like a set up for Walkers aren't vehicles.

>>52895856
>Inquisitor bitches
>Space Marines

>>52895868
To be on the safe side I'd try it with models you already have, then maybe invest in a new army if you really like the new edition and find something appealing.

>>52895856
>More like in the Imperial Agents.

>>52895852

I certainly hope so because right now, I'm worried.

>>52895717
>Asks for his
> Posts Golden demon
: ^ )

>>52895856

They blur the lines pretty hard. I don't think they necessarily represent a codex asartes compliant chapter. They're imperial organizations that happen to have Space Marines.

>>52895808
>Xeno Empires
>Necrons
>Tau
>Elves
>Elves
>Elves
>Elves

kek

>>52895915

>Some newbies paintjob that barely got past the base colours part of painting is a gold standard that I will defend to the death

Hmm.

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>>52893665
>static to hit in melee
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AHHHHHHHHHH AHHHH WHY?
though i guess this does make it more on level with shooting
I THINK THIS IS GOOD IVERALL, IS IT GOOD /tg/? I THINK ITS GOOD

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>>52894656
>terminator
>a melee unit
>ws 3+!

>>52895976
But isn't that better than it was before?

>>52894656
FINALLY TERMINATORS GOT TWO WOUNDS


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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So, will we get some news in the White Dwarf too? Since the new edition is a pretty big thing after all...

>>52895990
Its equivalent to WS4 in most situations

>>52895990

Shit posters can't even shit post properly.

Anyway, I love how alon Marines now butcher each other in melee much easier.

>>52896001

>chaos terminators still only 1w

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52895956
Well in the new community site article GW said that there are To Hit modifiers in the game for both melee and shooting. So don't count on always hitting on what you see on the statline

>>52895976
>Thinks WS 3+ is the same as WS 3

You made quite the fool out of yourself, lmao

>>52895956
Consider the following
>This allows a wider range of results. Guilliman hits on a 2+, which wasn't previously possible, and most likely units that aren't supposed to work in melee, like Tau drones, will hit on a 6+
>The stats aren't capped to 10 anymore, so being able to hit someone reliably doesn't help much if they are as hard as adamantium and with 30 wounds

>>52895990
kinda

the big change is that terminators always hit last since their fists and hammers are unwieldy, but if you charge first you can be attacking with things like power fists and thunder hammers first

its a big deal, plus they got another would so they are more beefy.

>>52895956
considering that previously it had been nearly static and going up to enormously high WS was not even better than just moderately high vs most opponents.

Though if units get locked in combat like they currently do then we could have two units that suck in melee be de facto useless for the rest of the game.

>>52895990
Naa, its the same as a normal marine, so the same relative power level
>>52896032
i was trying to make a little joke :(

>>52896024
>8 wound helbrutes
>God knows what Chosen
Elite slot just got Hella competitive anyway, Black Legion is going to have a fucking field day

>>52896060
When was it said that termies always hit last?

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>>52895976
>>52896032

>Orks
>a Melee race
>i -

>>52894785
Templates were a time sink. They didn't really add much to the game. Removing them will help keep a game flowing. Too many people argue over the exact direction the arrow is pointing anyway.

>>52895006
>>52895082
And They Shall Know No Fear will probably help.

>>52895867
Exactly. Salty WHFB grognards and 40k players who've never even tried AoS are the ones complaining about double turns. It's not that big of a deal, and the possibility of it can help mitigate alpha strike.
If player 1 can kill half of player 2's army on the first turn, it's helpful for player 2 to have a chance at going twice to make up for it. If player 1 wins the turn 2 roll off, they're exactly where we are now.

Both players strike in each combat phase, double turn matters less and less as the game progresses.

>>52896091
He made an ass out of himself and some guy name umption.

>>52896091
thunder hammers and strom shields are unwieldy, making them Initiative one in the current rules

unless you gave them a power sword or lightning claws they would hit at initiative one, which is almost always last in most situations.

>>52896068
>implying chaos will not be shit

topkek mate

>>52896113
How do you know that unwieldy still exist at all?

We'll know about some of the weapons only tomorrow

Maybe i can finally play Blood angels without spamming death company

>>52896113
>strom shields are unwieldy
pff HAHAHAHAHA
you dumb nigga

>>52896101
this

i love templates, but 80% of the arguments i have with people come from them

>no its not pointing that way its pointing this way
>you are not centering correctly over the model
>it scattered away from LOS, how would they hurt them?

only think im gonna miss is watching things scatter and barrage weapons.

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For all you salty soritas players, GW normiebook had a special tease just for you.

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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING

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>>52896145
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH#
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AJHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>52896068
I too hope Chaos will not be shit for once.
So I can ride the hype, sell all my stuff and cut even.

>>52896145
OH GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

>>52896141
Yeah same goes for vehicle AV facings with oddly shaped vehicles. I will miss different AV, but I most certainly won't miss all those fucking arguments

>Look it is clearly the side
>No you gotta measure it like this it is the front REEEEEEEEEEE

>>52895955
You guys crack me up. He saying its just as good for tabletop but you seem to take that as a negative insult to Ogryns you don't even own. Why so salty anon? Where did fumbles touch you?

>>52896158
The setting is moving forward.

>>52896135
im pretty sure i said in the current edition that thunder hammers and fists hit at initiative 1, not the new edition

maybe you just cant fucking read.

The big deal is this, in 7th edition a squad of 5 terminators charging with fists would hit last since the thing they are charging most likely wont be at intitiative one. so you only have 5 wounds worth of resistance to attacks

its looking like in the new edition whoever charges first attacks first regardless (maybe that will change in certain instances, we dont know yet) of what weapons they are using, so you 5 terminators turned into 10 wounds that attack first with powerfull weapons

its a big fucking deal for people like me who play deathwing.

>>52895955
>Barely past base colors
Okay now we REALLY need to see your work anon. Why do I have the feeling you've got a RED CLIFF CUSTOM Riptide?

>>52896158
Chaos did a suprise buttsex to the Imperium of man is what's happening. Non-consensual.

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>>52894900
I would probably go with Sidonians, never mind how retarded the thought process behind it is.

>>52896063
Locking up units in combat can happen now anyway. AoS allows anyone to leave combat in their movement phase, but they can't charge in the same turn. I'd like to see a modified version of that mechanic in 40k. Like you can leave combat but the enemy gets a free round of attacks on you first.

>>52896145
>GW plays a game on Warhammer TV using the new rules
>Can't remember their own rules as usual
>Autists reverse engineer the rules set
>Everyone buys an army in advance of 8e release
>Release day, rules are nothing like what was advertised.
I can already imagine the salt

>>52895254
All these tau/eldar players responding to your comment

>what? Any army being able to get lucky and table someone??
>BUT ONLY I CAN DO THAT

>>52896158
chaos has always been the primary protagonist in the 40k universe

sure the races fight eachother, but chaos actively manipulates all of them for its own need.

>>52896230
Finally weaponized autism used for good

>>52896258
Chaos doesn't manipulate nids Anon

MoN on Vehicles will be hilarious.

>>52895955
>barely got past base colours
You blind m8o?

>>52896230
i honestly can't wait to go ebay shopping for all the armies people will be dumping after 8th drops


>>52896277
except that chaos, theoretically, can influence every other race in order to set a certain line of events in motion, even involving the nids

>what is tzeentch

>>52896296
>stats no longer capped at 10
>T11 ITND EW Nurgle Land Raiders

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>>52896258
>protagonist
antagonist

>>52896277
>he doesn't know

>>52896024
The price of betrayal, traitor.

>>52896320
>Nurgle Land Raiders with increased toughness and Feel no Pain

How horrifying

>WS now works like BS
fucking finally

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all this comotion about 8th has really pushed me to paint at a more regular pace

thoughts? my latest paint job (the rhino that is, some of the marines are still not finished)

Anons, assuming that a Spess Mehreen actually has a single attack and that he is armed with a Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, as everyone gets a CCW by default, even if it's not listed, does the Mehreen get an extra attack for using a CCW+pistol combo?

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Wait, so are you guys saying my deamon prince cant strike before everyone, and murder entire units of termintors before they strike with no attacks back?
WAAAAAT, THIS IS BULLSHIT

>>52896277
Valedor.

A splinter of Kraken was flung into the Warp by the Eldar. Slaanesh protected the splinter fleet in the Warp and then threw out of the Warp above a maiden world in order to cause the Tyranids to war with the Eldar so that he can feast ion Eldar souls.

During the climax of the war, Slaanesh brushed aside the Hivemind and devoured the souls of the fallen Eldar there.

>>52896361
>MoT Renegade Knight with 3++ Ion Shield

Falling to Chaos wasn't mistake.

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can someone be so kind and tell me exactly what the fuck is going on?
are they pulling an age of sigmar with wh40k as well?

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>>52896372
>CCW by default, even if it's not listed,
except they dont, they only get a CCW if they arent equip with a melee weapon, which they are in the form of the boltpistol

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>>52896371
and a finished DA tactical marine

>>52896371
Good shading on the Rhino, but the metal is a little dull. I think the Plasma marine has way too much OSL personally

>>52896371
That poor fellows plasma gun seems to get hot.

>>52896393
Yes, time to blow your brains out anon

>>52896373
Depends on who charges who. If the daemonprince charges first, which is likely with terminators having a lower movement value, you'll still get to kill them all.

Unless you position your daemon prince in a bad spot like some sort of retard ofcourse :^)

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>>52896362
Fuck off back to 11d4ddit AoShitmar kid

>>52896398
Oh, sorry. And they will use the Bolt Pistol profile for that CCW, if I understand

>>52896404
the osl is on purpose because every fucking game that guy blows up

so to be a little less salty i did it like that.

>>52896371

>that moldline on the tank gunner

wew

>>52896393
Short answer : no.

Long answer : depends on your opion on what 'pulling and age of sigmar' exactly means.

>>52896415
The real question is what happens after the first turn? do my cultist strike at the same time as your howling banshees? 'cos that'd be quite amusing

Guys. Are Space Marines sexually capable or not?

>>52896441
>Emperor's Children

Definately. At least some of them

>>52896422
Correct a mondo friendo

>>52896362
honestly im pretty sure what they are going to do is make it so there are some sort of modifiers when the strength and toughness are drastically different and when the weapon skills are drastically different

maybe exceptionally nimble units will just be harder to hit in general

>>52896441

More so than you.

>>52896371
i, as a fellow dangle, personally don't like airbrush styles although I must say it is reasonably well executed and probably delivers the effect you intended. other than that, your highlighting is nice.

serious question, though: should the brother in the predator not have regular green armout with only a red shoulder pad?

>>52896436
The CHARGING unit goes first. Sure they didn't charge THIS turn, but combat began because they CHARGED.

>>52896436
Explained here >>52895434

>>52896228
Literally how it worked in 2nd Edition.

>>52896432
Yvraine and Celestine in a 69, both with sharpie in pooper please.

>>52895808
move Tau right one
Rename Empires, The Ancients of War
Rename Hordes, The Rising Tide of War

>>52896463
That seems strange, but as an ork/chaos player, i'll take it
>>52896468
this dosent answer my question

>>52896415
Hm i cant tell if this is a net postive or not. it means that shootier armies will now actually have to pay attention to the postion of their soldiers or risk loosing them to the oncoming assault of a unit with a higher movement value. It seems like this will encourage more tactical play.

>>52896458
Okay, thanks!

>>52896468
>>52895434
I really really really fucking like the idea of command points

i think command points, if powerfull enough, are going to be what prevents people from bringing deathstar units.

>>52896403
Looks kind of short.

>>52896484
>Orks
>Not Ancients of War

>>52896463
Proofs?

>>52896484
>Ancients
>Orks and Nids aren't ancient
kill yourself

>>52896510
>That's what she said

>>52896461
i like red, and i like breaking up large amounts of the same color

its the same reason i give my bikes green helmets and green shoulder pads.

>>52896441

They can fuck but they can't breed. The big guys shoot blanks.

Source: Inferno, HH vol 7

>>52896521
>Orks
>not ancient

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>>52896513
>>52896521

>orks
>good at war
>no initiative value

>>52895956
>why
what the fuck do you mean why? Melee was fucking retarded, having it work like BS is a flat improvement

>>52896489
As the other anon said, the charging unit always goes first, unless the charged player use a command point to reverse the order

>>52896495
They are already using the keywords to stop you from even starting to create a deathstar

>>52896158
The Tau are now bordered by Glorious Sautekh Dynasty and Hadex Anomaly. No imperium border

>>52896429
I normally hate OSL, but with that explanation, I love yours.

>>52896541
>He didnt read my whole post
>he didnt eralise i was conflicted
>he eats BAGS of dicks

>>52896422
No, they can't shoot the bolt pistol in combat. They use S4 AP-.

>>52896417
>hurr durr ribbit
no you fucking faggot
WS always worked like shit, this is a huge improvement.

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>>52896145

>>52896569
>he doesn't eat bags of dicks
what are you gay?
>reading the whole post
where do you think you are?

>>52896371
Me too anon. Since the FAQ the other day and the Adepticon announcement, I've been painting at a steady pace.
I think it's because I've stopped thinking about expanding my army until I know what things do, so I'm getting caught up on my back log.
And now I don't need to go through process of getting all the units for a war convo

>>52896572
They use the bolt pistol as a melee weapon, whacking them with the pistol.

>>52896645
Trust an autist of shitmar player to not be abel to understand a basic table
why dont you fuck off to your contentment thread and post you favorite furry porn?

do you guys think they will actually make rough riders good?

>>52896645
i like weapon skill as is and it makes sense

it should be harder for a guardsmen to slash a space marine than a space marines to hit a guardsmen, since space marines are far more trained in the marshal arts and could easily deflect most attacks coming from a normal human

>>52896702
Spotted the butthurt whfb cuck

>>52896709
N-no

>>52896539
Initiative gone dipshit

>>52896513
>>52896521

More a play on the dynamism of current orks and tyranids.
Regardless, orks are not their original old one crafted ancestors and tyranids whole schtick is hyper evolving past problems with new generations.

>>52896544
I mean... They're still possible. Just not as broken as before, hopefully.

>>52896709
Well, they would most likely become one of their best melee unit, at least because higher movement means higher chances to go first in combat

Now we just need to see why you would want that

>>52896702
The problem isn't that it had a table, the problem was that the table was shit. Replacing it with a static to hit is a fine improvement, especially now that we've seen that you can actually get to hit rolls outside of the 3+ to 5+ range.

>>52896145
I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>52896719
Well the current WS system is pretty much shit if you want that. A guardsmen has as much trouble hitting an Eldar Phoenix Lord as your average Space Marine.

There will be BS and WS modifiers in 8th so who knows, the new system might actually be more accurate at representing martial skill than what we have now.

>>52896719
but that's already the case?
SMs will hit on 3+
Guardsmen most likely on a 4+
I prefer it to the old WS system and this will probably help speed up melee.
>>52896702
blow me faggot I don't even play AOS

>>52896735
>Orks
>a melee race
>I so low they erased everyone else I value

That was the joke you retard

>>52896778
yes, because against such an adversary anyone swinging frantically would probably get a couple hits given enough time

a static ws to hit is like saying "i dont care how good you are at CQB, im gonna hit you this often anyways"

>>52896783
> prefer it to the old WS system and this will probably help speed up melee.

be honest, how long does it take you to look at a chart, 5 seconds?

Will they make orks great again in 8th?

>>52896695
I know, but they don't get the pistol's AP5.

>>52896783
Yes but in that case it will be just as easy for a grot to stick a space marine captain as it will be to jab a guardsman

>>52895808
Which Alliance should I main?

>>52896441
Of course, who do you think the sisters always sleep with?
>SoB are top tier females in imperium
>duty to the emps means getting pregnant is bad
>marines can't impregnate them cause they're sterile
>get to serve the emperor and bang imperial chads all night

I know 8th is coming out soon but whats a fun way to throw 250ish points of skitarri with my guard?

>>52896841
does it really make a difference in the end?

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>>52896886
Sisters sure love astartes horse cocks

>>52896544
>assault Marines with my wyches
>COMMAND POINT
>wyches go last and die

Fuck this game

>>52897031
are we really going to have to have the argument about that she was noticing how his face was like a horse?

>>52897083
but it's a list of 3 items
>gigantic face
>that particular "characteristic"
>ribless chest

>Orks with purity of form
shared psychic power
>Tyranids with purity of Essence
High Adaptation
Old ones are the fucking Xel'Naga

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So, I have finished my first, fairly small Mechanicus force. Just in time for 8th edition, which is on one hand kinda cool, as everyone will be basically new.
On the other hand, all that time I spent looking at rules and batreps (mainly when painting) is kind of wasted, but eh.
What I am bit scared off is weapons I chose on my dudes, since I was trying to be at least effective and all could be altered. Is it hard to change glued parts of models? Or cut them up about seams should need to exchange something? I haven't magnetized anything.

Oh and that thing with templates gone? Again on one hand great I don't need another special stuff but what the fuck will I do with that "custom" scatter dice?
I am sorry for blog post, but I needed to get that out of my chest and none of my friends plays.

>>52897182
Dont try to swap weapons if you didnt magnatize

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>>52897031
>that particular characteristic
>almost equine

>>52897052
So spend one back, and go first you dumb ass

>>52897182
If you superglued, you could possibly take the weapons off, otherwise you'll likely end up breaking your model.

>>52897083
This isn't the first time this argument has arisen

Business idea: Dark Tau

>>52896510
4 u.

>>52897290
Terrible

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>40k literally getting AoS'd

>>52896441
Space Wolves occasionally visit villages and grant newly-wed wives their blessing of strength.

>>52897290
Chaos Tau*

>>52896544

Source on the command point rule?

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>>52897290

>>52897378
Livestream yesterday

>>52897319
>rules getting better
not seeing how this is a bad thing, 7E was a fucking monstrosity, removing formations alone makes 8E better

>>52897385
>filename
More like "when you use the Roster Builder"

>>52897416
>remove formations
>add in focs with benefits
Same thing.

>>52896544
>Keeper of secrets fast enough and dexterous enough to pluck bullets out of the air
>but if some >I2 green oafs charge it, it just stands around stupidly while they beat it to death
Oh, but if I spend some Games Workshop command points which I earned for buying all these Fluffy™ lists!

I'm so glad GW decided to make the game more thematic...

>>52897153
Now we know why we need so many FAQ's.
It is awful writing.

Reading it properly it's two parts.
1 the face, how it's characteristic of Astartes, being almost equine
2 his fused ribs.

See the block above, more shit inserted by excessive use of commas.

>>52897290
I dig it. There is a chaos rift right near them.

Have them send a fleet in to investigate. The commander gets corrupted and let Tau have their first taste of Chaos.

All their unsanctioned Psykers on their occupied Hive Worlds start exploding into Daemonic Rifts. And Tau end up going "shit... there WAS a reason the Imperium was fucking nuts"

The Daemonic invasion and Chaos Tau are what unites Taus and Farsight as Farsight comes to the rescue.

>>52897432
Tomato, Tomato

>>52897182
Can I just say that I love your personalised carry crate? Can we get more pics of that? I think I see some instructional rites to the machine spirit on the side.

>>52897449
Thats your fault for letting them get close enough to charge you. Keeper of Secrets will probably have a decent movement range

>>52897446
>get rid of Gladius that gives marines and only marines free transports
>Add mechanized company FOC for all armies that gives everyone free transports

It'll be more equal at the very least

>>52897449
If you care enough about that, you should care about the fluffiness of your army.

>>52897471
>get charged by storm boyz
>Go last
WORKING AS INTENDED

>>52896104
The only real problem I can see with it is null deployment armies.

Choosing to go second while null deploying would be broken af.

>>52897482
I just don't like the idea of GW deciding what you should take, instead of just building your own force that you would hope has complementary units.

>>52897519
>WAAA WHY CANT I TAEK AN ARMY OF RIPTIDES AND STILL GET TEH SAME BONUSES AS EVERY ORK PLAYER WAAAA

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Hey lads, I hate to ask too much but could you help a newfag out with listbuilding?

I've got one I just finished here.

My thoughts were: Vanguards with Plasma to deal with MEQ, normal radium carbines encase of mass infantry.

Arc Rifles on the 5 blob so they have Anti Tank potential.

Arquebus on the Rangers so I can sit back on a far-pff objective and fire with them safely.

Dragoons to mess up infantry squads and to pop transports.

Infiltrators to pop any dangerous targets in cover, such as Devastator squads.

Neutron Laser Onagers to deal with heavy armour.

The Omnispex help reduce cover saves so I have an easier time damaging stuff and the Phosphor Serpentas are ideally to allow me to confirm the kill on a unit as I get a reroll to charge and a little bit of bonus damage (Also because I needed a way to spend my last 30 or so points)

Anything I've missed here? I heard not to worry about anti air in 1000 point games so I eft that out.

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>>52897455
Sure thing.
On the side is spraypainted litany of engine (the one with bells) and front and back have basic Mechanicus scull. The box itself is old one I found somewhere (originally apricots), the lid is mine, from simple wood plank + brass window handle.

>>52897541
>Anyone who disagrees with my view is a Tau netlister

>>52897546
You will have squishy Warlord and he will die.

>>52897546
Looks good, but I've never had good luck with my Arquebus rangers, despite how badass they look.
You might switch one to free up some points elsewhere.

>>52897449
Hopefully they'll have a special rule. But who fucking knows anon, I think it's stupid too but it always pissed me off when a charging unit would get wiped out before getting a single attack out, especially when it's not done by the fragment of a fucking chaos god and by some random space marine knob.

>>52897557
That's really cool! I think I might end up having to do something similar for one of my armies, now you've given me the idea. Great work!

>>52897083
What's even to argue about?

>she sighed inwardly about the splendor of his physique
Guardlets btfo

>>52897495
>Implying Stormboyz won't be moving 10" because Orks
>Implying a KiD won't be moving 12" or something ridiculous

Besides, they already crash into you at the same speed with HoW, and that's probably getting removed in favor of this

>>52897449
>implying elite speed units like banshees and keepers won't have "always strikes first"

>>52897579
Do I not get the Look Out Sir!

I kind of guessed he would die, but I don't see a way to make him more tanky. I could get him a 5+ invun but that's about it unless I roll lucky for warlord trait. Should I look into an allied Cult Mech detachment for a Dominus?

I was planning on getting some Electro-priests when the combined codex drops anyway so I'm not opposed to the idea.

>>52897585
Ok, cheers anon. I'll maybe just keep them blank and then get another Dragoon or something. I'm only using them right now because I have a Squad with 2, I need another box anyway so I'll have enough to run more or less any weapons on them.

>>52897519
Removing formations in favor of FOCs is going to be better. Odds are good there's going to be some way to give yourself a lot more of one slot in exchange for tradeoffs elsewhere. Unless you really hate having troops that much, you'll be fine. Even if you do, you still might be fine

>>52897557
The insides have I kind of fucked up. I had no idea how will the unit stack so I have built some plywood containers and lined them with foam, but the units, especially antennas get stuck. Also it isn't very space-conserving but I plat to rip that all out one day (when I get more units) and put in some of those pluckable foam trays from battlefoam.
But right now, I should be finishing masters and not looking for alternative heads for Kastellan robbuts.

>>52897641
You could also give an Onager an Icarus Array, just incase you get an opponent with anything flying.

>>52897484
Fluffiness by who's standards?
By the games workshop marketing team that considers 6 heralds of Slaanesh a fluffy HQ choice?
Have people forgotten about what an abomination the daemons decurion was?

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>>52897605
>>52897662
I say go for it, just don't make the same mistake as me. Basic wooden box is easy to find/make, and if you do the lid like me (clamps? don't know how it is called) you don't have to worry about fucking around with hinges, which I personally hate.
All I used was drill, hammer, some nails and plunge cut saw. And I dont even have any kind of hobbyshop.

>>52897632
>high elves had always strikes first
>craftworld eldar now have always strikes first
>no matter if you charged, no matter if you spend your command points they always charge first
Eldar buffs always go down well with me.

>>52897453
>tau
>psykers

I shiggy what?

>>52897745
That's a good idea. I was told a unit had to fire at the same target so I always was against the idea of mixing weapons. I guess I just throw it in it's own squad, invun save bonus be damned.

>>52897641
The Dominus is the way, apart from the fact that model is nice and useful on the table. Dominus Maniple (skitarii + dominus + crawler) would be your answer. Though you will loose combat benefits you will get kind of twinlinked against one designated target for the formation

Should I drill gun barrels or just paint them black? whats the norm?

>>52897813
Drill them, looks much better, also it's not that hard.

>>52897771
Their gue'vesa pals could have potentially loads of psykers on any given Tau world since humans are becoming a psychic race. It's a recipe for disaster since the Tau know next to nothing aboht psykers or daemons.

>>52897453
I still feel like even with an incursion like that, it wouldn't cause an immediate problem of that scale.

If Chaos Tau do crop up, I feel like they should still be on the scale of typical human cultists. That is to say, they have trouble getting any sort of attention from the Chaos gods, so aside from yelling 'blood for the blood god' and being crazy aggressive, they won't be having too many weird chaos gifts or powers from it.

>>52894716
I fucking wish

>>52897813
>>52897826
Same, you just gotta know what drill size to use for your guns, for example, the Standard Boltgun and its Pistol Counterpart requires a 1mm Drill Bit

>>52894858
Mon-keigh magic

>>52897809
So if I take the Dominus Maniple do I lose the bonuses from the Skitarii Maniple?

If I'm running the Dunecrawlers as individuals and throw the Plasma squad in as a part of the Dominus Maniple the twin-linked sounds great, plus I get the new Warlord.

Hopefully 8th removes the need for it but until then it sounds like a plan. I'll re-do the list I guess.

How do you guys think it would stand with the improvements?

Drop the Arquebuses and enough upgrades to make the points for -

Dominus Maniple

Giving one of the Onagers an Icarus array.

Thanks for helping me out guys.

>>52897850
>>52897826
Well, can't hurt to try it.

>>52894719
Wounds or Hull Points, whatever you call it. I like how vehicle degradation is handled in AoS by wounds:
As the vehicle/mount suffers more damage it becomes slower and loses damage output.

Makes sense.

>>52897867
Oh, use a hand drill btw. A power drill is just way overkill and may fuck up your mini.

>>52896158
We're just undergoing some slight renovations. Please plan your routes accordingly.

>>52897290
The idea of like Oni Tau has been going around lately, and I could really dig it. Maybe have that being what becomes of either the Farsight Enclaves or a segment of the normal Empire out of naivety. Though I would also want more than just WE CHAOS NOW AND DO THE SAME THING HAS NORMAL CHAOS BUT TAU. Things like Oni were often capricious and fickle. The Empire now has figure out what to do with this large group of society that are charged and mutated with raw Warp energy; the Chaos Gods might not have even noticed what happened yet with everything going on in the Imperium. The Ethereals might want to try the tested-and-true purge and hide technique, but it might also start a schism over "but they're still Tau guys!!" amongst the castes.