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Xenosfags BTFO! edition.

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android.
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA
https://mega.nz/#F!z4wmmJyR!jTfwLczhdFjV0q6nowtGag!qgZhmAhK

>40k rules reference in wiki format.
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>Latest GW teases
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>Daily Dank Dunc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJdA7dwx6-4 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

>Latest GW FAQs.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>8th edition FAQ:
https://warhammer40000.gw-hub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/New-Edition-of-40K-FAQ.pdf

>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>List organizer picture book
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>Offline list builder
https://battlescribe.net/

>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
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>>52890814

Remember when people foolishly thought 40k was the story of the Tyranids? Good times.
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First for 8th edition and AoS both using D6, therefor being exactly the same thing.
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>>52890833
And when was this?
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>>52890833
There were people seriously saying this?

wow
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>>52890850

>t. nidfag
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>>52890846
I'm just hoping Independent Characters don't go away.

>Tho given the example they gave during Q&A of a Marine joining Guard I think we're good.
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>>52890814
But what can Nurgles blessings do against weaponry that razes entire cities?
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What are you going to do with your marinelets once they're replaced by ShinyNewUltraSuperMarines?
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>>52890814
>implying my xenos army has ever been the focus of the narrative
>implying I'm not at peace with being sidelined and fucking irrelevant in all stories barring the one where GW actually remembers we exist because whenever we do show up it's just to get curbstomped
At least Taufags and Nidwhiners were taken down a peg.
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>>52890869
Lol that would be the most stupid thing to remove from 40k

>"To make characters feel more heroic we made sure they can no longer join other units, making them stand out more !"
>All characters instantly get BTFO by shooting turn one
>"Wait ... this isn't what we wanted to happen ..."
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>>52890883
Leaked picture of the new Space Marines incoming
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>>52890883
Turn them into scenery I guess
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>>52890883

Luckily, I only owned a few squads and a Captain. Already put them up for sale in my local ads.

Gonna focus on my IG going forwards.
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>>52890921
Is this legit?
Source?
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TANKS AND MCs ON EQUAL GROUNDS YAY!
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>>52890883
>This meme again

Put a marine on your desk. Put an opened GW paint pot somewhere near the marine. Compare result to pic.

'new marines' are probably 1mm taller at most, which could also just be the result of not longer squatting like an autistic monkey.
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>normie anon texts me that he knows his scheme is basic and that he's busy with gf and work but he'll try and get a 2k list done for late June
>isn't even worried about 8th changing his list up
I'm just glad he's focussing on getting everything 100% painted before even attempting to play the game

>>52890883
>playing Marines
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Help me name my Kabal /40kg/

>Hedonistic former pirates who wear opulent colours and go fucking fast even for Dark Eldar
>Penchant for Heavy Weapons (so Ravagers and the like)
>Exiled for Commoragh to another world, but possess their own arena
>Current Archon is a former Dracon who overthrew his master after learning he was a Ynnaed sympathiser and planner to help awaken big Y by murdering a bunch of Eldar.
>Have now teamed up with a Nemesine Hameonculus Coven and renegades from Biel-Tan to hunt down and kill Yvraine on Vect's orders, thus ending their banishment

>inb4 'Xenosfags BTFO'
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>>52890926
>faggots are actually already kneejerking
Fucking kek, thanks for the cheap fucking models

>>52890941
Forge World faggot
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>>52890921
>6'1" on the left
>5'8" on the right
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>>52890979
I'm afraid Yvraine is protected by plot armour son so that particular quest is going nowhere
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>tfw really want to buy a titan or scratch build a Warlord titan because fuck Forgeworld they're supposed to be boxy and not just enlarged knights
>tfw both ideas are retarded
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>Mfw still planning on starting Genestealer cults eventually because love how they look
>mfw story wise GW can't do anything too interesting with them because the end is always getting eaten by Tyranids
>mfw yet to see GSC that have taken over multiple planets and wage space warfare

Anyone else know this feel? It's hard to craft fluff when the ending is the same
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>>52890926
I'd be tempted by IG if they put a non-shit regiment in plastic.
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>>52891015

Get a china one anon.

Google how to do it.
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>>52890814
Out of the loop here, what happened with Tyranids?
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>>52891040
I know how to do it, I just can't be bothered.
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>>52891017
Well GSC also regularly get cleansed by space marines or inquisition for example.

But yeah, GSC always end up dead one way or another.
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>>52891051
Squatted.
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>>52891011

I don't think the guy is actually expecting his dudes to kill Yvraine but I think its a good concept for an army.
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So, just a question anons - I found a Space Marine battleforce box for less than half the price my LGS would sell the parts.
I'm just wondering, are they the regular kits, but in one box, or some snapfit monopose stuff?
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>>52890970
>not playing marines
NPCs please go
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>>52891055

So, you want a warlord, you just can't be bothered with all the stuff in between?

Like if you could wave your hand and poof one into existence then you'd have one already?

Me too thanks
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>>52891017
>>52891056
This is what happens to xenosfags. The same thing will happen to Eldar and Tau soon enough.

And nothing of value will be lost.
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>>52891063
Crunchwise, fluffwise, or both?
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>>52891051
Not much actually, but GW is making Chaos the obvious No.1 threat to humanity once again, rather than a bunch of trolls fucking around in remote regions like the Eye of Terror, and people decided that meant that all Xenos got thrown under the bus.
Tau and Necrons at least have empires that show up on the new map, but since Tyranids don't conquer territory they don't show up on the new map of the galaxy.
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>>52891055
Just wait till AT comes out and get a babby one :^)
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>>52891078
Depending on which battleforce you are talking about they may be older kits, but there are still completely customizable and shit. The only snapfit crap you will find in starter sets and the mini-packs of like 3 models.
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>>52890814
>actual alien players get lumped in with space elves, space china and metal space egyptians so imperialfags can more efficiently wank at chaosfags expense.
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>>52891011

>>52891072
This. No doubt in 'canon' we would eventually get wrecked when Yvraine's boyfriend(s) rock up, but it seemed more interesting than just being 'le raiders'.
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>>52890850
4th Edition, which was also when the tone of the game was at its most dark, ironically.
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>>52891088
I mean I technically know how to make a Warlord Titan, yes, I'm just not sure if my skill is enough to justify the material costs.
And I don't know where to store something like that.

As for Chinaman, if he wants to sell me his shitty pirate copies he can contact me any time.
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>>52891129
>wah wah muh precious xenomorph ripoff
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>>52891056
It sucks because as a concept it's awesome as shit, down to the star children and all that, but you never see them expand that much. Shit it reminds me of Bloodborne but it doesn't go beyond just everyone getting ate. I'd like to see some genuine mind fuckery or Like a Genestealer Magus that knows full well what will happen when the tyranids will come but welcomes it because of his mind joining the hive mind in a horrifying cacophony of voices.
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>>52891017
Remember, if the hive fleet or the splinter gets broken then the Cult will just fester until something sparks the rebellion. There's actually a cult that misread a meteor shower, took over the planet, and has begun waging war on other planets because they think it will please their forefathers.
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>>52890833
All evil factions except maybe the Dark Eldar is described as something that will at some point wipe out the galaxy as we know it.

Chaos is GW's true darling and is first in line for that honour.
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>>52891158

>As for Chinaman, if he wants to sell me his shitty pirate copies he can contact me any time.

That's not how online vendors work at all.

Also I got some stuff from a nice recaster this week. Better than anything i've gotten from Forge World
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>>52890814
>Sanguinius's vision will never come to pass
>chaos will get all the fun
>no titan battle between chaos and tyranid for the emperors corpse
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>>52890883
Keep collecting 30k Marines because of that lovely slick aesthetic.
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>>52891113
They look like they're still on 25mm bases, if that's of any help.
But thanks anon, guess I'll go buy it.
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>>52890814
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>>52891198
Online vendors also don't hide behind a cryptic e-mail hunt. If he wanted my monies he'd have a webstore like everyone else.
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>>52891241
>try a game with infinitely more shit backstory
>that's completely different to the game you play
>with shit minifigures
>made by guys who can't even speak English
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>>52890833
But we all know 40k is the tale of the orks
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>>52891241
Go back to 1d4ddit
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>>52891250

Its really not that hard to find emails, especially since that leak...
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Anons how do I paint the fifth company kneepad marking like these guys have? I want to go all out when I start my Dark Angels, so I know it'll probably look pretty bad when I first start. Also, are there any good how to videos on painting dark angels? The ones in the dark vengeance videos are a bit too simply done compared to the newer ones.
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People are saying that xeno races can't be the ultimate victors, but didn't the warhammer fantasy end times have the fucking skaven come out on top? Wouldn't have put them in the running up until then.

Anyway, this seems like the best thread to ask about this. I'm designing an ork buggy with some intention of maybe getting it printed, possibly even mass-produced if it looks good enough. Still very much at the roughing out general shapes stage, but I'm struggling to decide how to make the overall silhouette look really 'orky'. Obviously I can add lots of those spiky bits to it, but what about the underlying structure? Is there a particular combination of angles and shapes which really screams 'ork' to you?
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>>52891278
>Ork warboss kicks Abbadon in the nads
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>>52891086
The only Marines i'd ever considering running would be Minotaurs

Unless we're talking 30k - Raven Guard 4 lyfe
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>>52891302
>Paint a thin cross in white/that bone colour you use for Deathwing Terminators
>Fill in the green parts
>fill in white parts
>???
>profit
Alternatively, you could go to youtube. Ol' Duncan has a video about doing the diamonds on harlequins, you could also look for the one with orky checkers, they use the same technique.
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>>52891302
Simple geometric shapes like that are perfect for masking tape.

It isn't too hard to do that design freehand either. Brace your hands together to eliminate shake, use a good brush and don't thin your paints.
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>>52891340
>not Carcharadons
Come on they're the best of a bad bunch
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>>52891303
No chaos destroyed the world.
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>>52891303
Skaven was technically Chaos with their god being a minor Chaos god.
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>>52891303

Look to the Trukk for design cues. FW has some great Trukk alternatives to draw from too.

Some scrap metal paneling and a big engine with a silly blower would be good. Maybe a more angular frame?
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>>52891241
Infinty is shit. Nobody says it because it triggers infinty players and result in a thread being drowned in their butthurt, but it's shit.
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>>52891269
But anon, all those things you just said are completely wrong.
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>>52891354
I would have said them, but my irl buddy said with 8th is more assault friendly we'd both run meme lists for banter
PLACE EXIT
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>>52890979
Ideally you would have two names. I would not suffer to keep the same Kabal name as my former and weakling master

>Former Name: Kabal of the Shadesword Nightmare
>Symbol: Runes for Shadow and Sword ensnared in/tearing apart the rune for Rest/Repose

1000% edge, perfect for Dark Lance heavy 'muh raids' that wanted to transition into the big leagues and join the grim shade death edge Ynnead cult.


>New Name: Kabal of the Death's Humility
>Sigil: Rune for Death split asunder by the rune for Young Successor

The new name mocks both Yvraine and Co., and accurately describes what a dark lace does: it takes the heaviest armor and humbles it (nevermind that grav does this 1000% times better). Plus Haemonculi tend to laugh at Death.
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>>52891374
Except the first and second points.
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>>52891097
neither. he's just shitposting.
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>>52890979
Hunters in the Lightning's Shadow
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>>52890833
>>52891278
That's why Nids and Orks belong in the trash.
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>>52891389
Actually, yeah, Infinity is completely a different game.
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hey does anyone have that like d100 chart with all the different space marine chapters? i wanna roll on it to pick what chapter i go with
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>>52891374
Except he's right
>inb4 "but muh half-naked anime catgirl and generic weeb super soldier models are really good you guyz!!!1! You just don't get it!!!1!"
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>>52891385
>>52891414

Thanks lads. Death's Humility sounds pretty good,a and I might use some variation of the Lightning Shadow for the Craftworld contingent.
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>>52890833
Shut up, Carnac.
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>>52891432
So, we know that there are going to be five books which cover all the existing armies, but is it confirmed that they will be split up like this or is that part just speculation?

I'm kind of expecting Imperium, Chaos, Xenos, Wargear and Fortifications.
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>>52891432
>Mfw 8th ed orks no longer a meme
>Mfw collect salty humies tears
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>>52891454
You mean this one?
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Space_Marine_Chapter_Creation_Tables
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>>52891241
The only good thing about Infinity is Shasvastii.
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>>52891502

nah the one i'm thinking of is an image of heaps of different chapters with their colours and you roll to choose on the list
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>>52891489
GW confirmed (?) that there will be two Xeno books. And people speculate that Space Marines will get their own book.
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>>52890814

So new factions were mentioned. What are people expecting?
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>>52891489
>is it confirmed that they will be split up like this or is that part just speculation

The fuck you think? All we know is what you know, anything else is a shitpost.
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>>52891305
You have no idea how much I wanted Ghazzy to pull a Grimgor Ironhide on Abaddon.
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>>52891477
No probelm
Just remember that the Sunscreamer pattern Dark Lances can be fitted unto any compatible vehicle and all currency is accepted

For the younger Kabals there's even long term payment options in order to purchase our superior weaponry
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>>52891527
As long as it's not femmarines I'll be happy.
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>>52891527
Death gaurd is most likely the one on release
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Rangdan army when?
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Plastic Valhallans When?
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>>52891250
>People selling illegal goods should do so openly and solicit people
>If people wanted to sell me drugs they should open up a store that sells them!
You're a dense motherfucker.
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>>52891572
Unfortunately Valhalla got blown up too. Only planets that remain are Ultramar, Terra and Mars.
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>>52891491
Now would be a good time to starting a Blood Axes army.
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>>52891572

Never. Generic WW2 ripoff guardsmen are on their way out. If IG got new plastics expect Vostroyans or something suitably 40k.
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>>52891582
If people wanted to sell me drugs they should go neck themselves and directly make all of humanity a little better.
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>>52891527
Death Guard
Ynnari
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>>52891613
Ynnari already exist as a faction.

Deathguard would fit as a new faction only technically, because they've already been announced and previewed.
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>>52891541
but grimgor is a shit character
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>>52891491
>>52891594
>tfw wanting to start an Ork army
>tfw wanted it to be deff skullz because I like the looters' models and wanted to loot all my vehicles
>but Blood Axes' fluff is cool also
>both clans are distrusted by other orks
>tfw can't decide
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>>52891629
Wait for 8E, asshole
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>>52890920
In AoS it means you use los blocking and the heros got more epic.....so huh?
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>>52891572
Fuck Valhalla, what we need is PLASTIC KRIEG!
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>>52891020
Plastic Death Korps/Valhallans/Vostroyan Firstborn would make GW tons of money. Guard fans would be ecstatic.
Which is why they'll never do it.
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>>52891648
JAWOHL!
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>>52891645
No, you dickbag
I'm going on a shopping trip this Weekend and that includes putting hundreds of euros into 40k and 40k accessories
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>>52891629
... Why not both ?
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>>52891527
Death Guard on release, lots of space marines given their own books. Probably arbites and possibly ecclesiarcy later. Some hope for kroot if they ever figure out something interesting to do with them which isn't 'evolve a lot' (tyranids' thing) or 'look primitive as fuck' (too many factions already pushing that angle).

If I had my way, I'd like to see them do 'sanctioned xenos' as a faction (or as part of the agents of the imperium) with the kroot, jokaero, some renegade eldar and so on.
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>>52891432
gk and deathwatch would be in the spacemarines book, because
A: they're space marines and
B: that makes imperial book sizes more even at 6 and 7 forces respectively.

probably move necrons in with nids and orks as the evil-ur xenos book again for even sizes.
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>>52891677
>implying not Steel Legion
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>>52891692
>Necrons
>evil

also:

>gk and deathwatch
>not bitches to the inquisition
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>>52891629
I love the idea of Blood Axes too much to even consider the other clans.

>>52891628
Nowhere as shit as Archaon that was basically turned into "fuck you dad!" the character.
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>>52891681
>spending hundreds on 40k and 40k accessories
Is there a greater feel lads?
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>>52891588
>>52891603
>>52891648
>>52891677
Well Cadians are gone, and Catachans suck, so they have to go somewhere for the guard, Right?
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>>52891705
Now I've forgotten lately, but haven't they effectively removed the direct command link between the inquisition and their former chambers militant?
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>>52891646

What???
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>>52891723
Actually assembling and painting all that shit instead of letting it gather dust?
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>>52891728
yes
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Have there ever been any space marine chapters that have defected from the Imperium but not joined Chaos? Like, gone rogue, maybe because an inquisitor exterminatus'd their homeworld or something?

That could be interesting.
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>>52891726
Yeah, to the bench with Sisters. IG have no place in Space Marine: 40,000.
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>>52891712
On one hand, I love the idea of tacticool orks, but on the other hand I already have a majorly red army in Sisters of Battle and I wanted to get a blue one.
>>52891736
Assembling is a cinch
Painting not so much but as long as almost all the armies locally aren't painted anyway I'm not gonna feel guilty.
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>>52891726
Cadia is gone, but not their regiments.
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>>52891726
This is optimistic. I hope so.
What would be cooler, plastic Krieg or plastic Valhallans? Steel Legion would be pretty cool too but I feel like GW would only do one or the other.
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>>52891712
Not really. Archaon is a tragic and poetic character.

He is more "Fuck the Gods and fuck fate. I will bring down the heavens and earth". And he did because he is the MAN.
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>>52891606
what about every store that want to sell you liquor or cigarette, they're as much drugs as cocaine or speed and yet
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I got a 50 dollar rebate card

Im thinking of buying some stuff. Dont care about the army(but am leaning towards a chaos mauler fiend), but any reccomendations on what to get?
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>>52891788
>implying there isn't a difference between legal and illegal drugs
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Desert foxes incoming.

>I would also accept steel legion.
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>>52891786
>actually talking to the 1d4ittor
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>>52891726
>>52891572

>boring WW2 wank for boring faggots who talk to much about military history


Of all the factions getting BTFO i'm glad they stuck it to IGfags, they are the lamest people IRL. hopefully you all finally fuck off to playing historical minis where you belong
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>>52891758
Yeah, Astral Claws did that for a while, I think. They don't tend to last long though, as they can't really keep their numbers up without some support structure and the temptation to fall to chaos is always strong.
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>>52891806
I would love some plastic Tallarn as well.
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>>52891758
yeah a bunch. they're called renegade chapters.
many if not most do eventually fall to chaos. Relictors and Soul drinkers are canon examples.
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>>52891799
i mean they both cause health issue and addiction, what more do you want?
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>>52891758
I can't think of any specific names off hand, other the the mantis warriors, and technically they all got double murdered by the space sharks
And Huron was technically a champion of khorne by the time the actual fighting started so I'm not sure if the badab chapters count anyway
but 3 of the 4 chaos players at my FLGS all play unaligned homebrew warbands that defected but did immediately fall
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>>52891827
And they are food for minotaurs
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>>52891775
Yes, I tend to overuse red across my armies myself. I might paint them like Nazis and have the Nobz look like the SS.
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>>52891794
consider saving it for new rules when they hit
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>>52891819
Sorry, meant Ashen Claws. Astral Claws were pure chaos.
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>>52891692
GK and DW are chambers militant
They should be with the inquisition forces.
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>>52891786
lol no.

He started out that way, but then they wrote him like a whiny pussy that even fails at killing himself.
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>>52891728
Yeah, both even kill Inquisitors they deem too radical.
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>>52891818
Oh? And what do you play then?
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>>52891844
I would but the rebate is one of those that charges an upkeep fee for every month
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>>52891863
As a guy who read all Archaon's novels AND the END TIMES content, you are talking bullshit. You are just parroting things /WHFB/ told you without understanding the context.
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>>52891594
Nah, Evil Sunz is where it's at.
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>>52891863
To be fair, imagine being a press and then find out you're doomed to be the antichrist and even your god won't speak to you or help you steer away from that path, all to the mocking laughter of the chaos gods. I feel sorry for Archaon
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Has there ever been a co-op 40k rules set? Official or not.

By which I mean, a game where one set of forces are controlled by some kind of random generator and the other side by human players? Like Execution Force or Silver Tower but with a wide range of minis being useable and maybe not on a board as such? I seem to recall the old kill-team rules had random movement for one side or something before they were alerted.
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>>52891834
Oh boy, do I like me some Lamenters, maybe with a mountain of salt...
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>>52891906
*priest

Stupid phone
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>>52891875
oh ok. in that case I'd get a mini or minis you like based on looks/fluff.
the crunch is about to radically change so I wouldn't make any decisions based on that.
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>>52891726
>>52891701
>>52891648
>>52891572

Not wanting the best and most fanatical. I am disappointed.
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>>52891863
man, 1d4chan was a fucking mistake
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>>52891943
It'd be out of nowhere, but I wouldn't be opposed to Janissaries.
Valhallans please GW
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>>52891943

>the african regiment

noty
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>>52891471
Ariadna is pretty cool desu, apart from the werewolves.
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>>52891863
>lol no.
>He started out that way

Actually OG Archaon was just a Chaos fanatic.
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Can't wait for 8th edition so I can kill Robutte with a gretchin
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>>52891943
They'd have to go with vostroyans, they're by far the most 40k looking ig regiment.
I'd rather not krieg because i payed good money for that bullshit already.
Anything but cadia, literally the worst design out of them all.
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>>52892124
This is a good thing.
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>>52892133
Cadia looked better before they got their plastic kits.
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>>52892133
Cadia used to be cool before the plastic guardsmen.
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>>52892124
Can't wait to throw drop pods at Knight Acherons.
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>>52892133
>I'd rather not krieg because i payed good money for that bullshit already.

You don't want the IG community to enjoy plastic Krieg because you bought FW stuff? Da fuk?
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>>52891988
If nothing else Janissaries and valhallans could share the same torso and legs.
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so, that GW live stream, they said there making 40k 8th ed "more accessible to a wider audience"

Just how fucked are we? These words translate to "we are making this game shit from now on in hopes of getting a hand full of new fans while fucking over our old ones" 9 times out of 10. I'm not hopeful for 8th ed lads, I fear this is going to be worse then age of shitmar and there point-less 4 page "do what ever you want" rules.
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>>52892205
The IG community can get fucked desu.
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>>52892124
Everything can potentally wound =/= Grots will kill Titans
I think it was in the previous thread where someone mathhammered how many Lasgun shots you would need for a single wound on a Landraider, it was about 200 shots on average, if you counted the Landraider with a 2+ save, IIRC.
Please explain how many grots you are willing to throw at big bad Girlyman.
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>>52892216
Age of Sigmar is actually fun unlike current 40k.
They're even releasing it with two sets of points for the points autists.
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>>52892216
/v/, please.

Please calm down.
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>>52892205
>what is elitism

>>52892216
What they meant, and what the 'Three ways to play' imply, is that they tried to make a ruleset that caters to as many different people as possible : the lobotomised AoS crowd, kids with only money for one or two boxes, but also the hardcore tournament and competative players.
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>>52892216
I interpreted it as them adding more minority characters, which I am fine with.
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>>52892286

its the fucking three ways to play, jesus its not about adding jamal and his cronies to BLACKED a bunch of eldar women
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>>52891818
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>>52892253
I only need one. Mork and Gork smile upon him.
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Why do you guys bitch about every single bit of change and instead enjoying the damn game with what you already have?
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>>52891818
I like the guard because they're the only basic humans involved in massive warfare without power armor in the setting.
That is working for humanity and not xenos.
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>>52891818
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>>52891603
>something suitably 40k

Go Blanche or go home
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>>52892324
Because /tg/ is a sperg junction and a lot of people here never actually play the game.
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>>52892324
>why do you have likes and dislikes? Why don't you just unquestionably lap up whatever passes by.
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>>52892124
Oh right I forgot about this new "anything can hurt anything" rule, we fucking get it GW, you wan't us to by a massive swarm of troops. Bringing a mix of troops, tank busters, heavy armor ect? na, just run 200 guardsmen.
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>>52892124
You can already do that. S3 wounds T6 on a 6+.
It takes them exactly 21.6 turns for 30 grots to kill him
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>>52892376
he should have said "can't wait to pop a land raider with my grots"
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>Guard don't even have to give up their feet, eyelids, or free will
>Don't even get slowly posioned to death by radiation as standard
>Talk about how hard they have it

Beep boop, mother fucker.
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>>52891017
I thought if the cult had access to space faring tech, then they tried to prep entire systems and more if possible for a hive fleet.

If the planet has space ports of any kind, I imagine the cult wouldn't just go "whelp, the world is ours now, our gods should be arriving any moment now... yep... any moment now...."
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>>52892388
You know the Landraider will probably have an even higher toughness value than that? You're not going to pop any tank soon without actually bringing some anti-tank stuff.
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>>52892363
Stop being a dumb cunt :)
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Why can't they bring new plastics and still keep the cadians?
The cadians in themselves aren't that great, but they're like a blank slate.
Some people want to play their own regiments.
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>>52892363
Why would you shoot the Land Raider with your 200 lasguns and not the daemon horde right next to it
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>>52892133
They should just redo Cadians to look like WWII US Marines/Airborne. I'm 99% certain the plastic cadians look like garbage because of the retarded helmet and oversized shoulder-pads
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>>52892253
It was 200 shots if it had a 3+ save.
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>>52892419

I was so crushed when they didn't keep the design of the metal Cadians.
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>>52892419
Nah, US forces are for fags. Cadian Kasrkin shit all over every other guardsmen line that there are or were models for right now.
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>>52891788
>alcohol and tobacco are the same as cocain
Lol. I understand that not all people have dabbled, or care to dabble, but that's just a ridiculous statement.

If you fuck your life up over booze and weed, you're an idiot. But if you think booze weed and smokes are the same as cocain, you're also an idiot.
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>>52892401
That's the thing, GW hasn't really explained what happens if they do have access to all the space tech
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>>52892412
They look like fucking teletubbies
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>>52892456
Yes they have.
Unsurpirsingly, they spread.
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>>52891303
>Is there a particular combination of angles and shapes which really screams 'ork' to you?
geometric primitves
Though generally speaking, stealing from Mad Max should give you good results.
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>>52892405
>>52892406
its a d6, How hard could it be? Grots "wounding" a land raider on a 6? sure, works for me. After all, anything can hurt anything now, straight from GW themselves
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>>52892477
Why do you sound upset?
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>>52892433
Well, then I imagine with a save of 2+ you'll need an Apocalypse-tier amount of Guardsmen shooting to shave off a single wound.

But I guess we'll just have to deal with retards shitposting and opening threads about killing Titans with a single Grot until 8th edition finally hits.
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>>52892443
They already reworked stormtroopers though, and the IG line is definitely due for an overhaul. They're among the oldest kits currently available and I don't think GW will redo Berserkers or Warp Spiders anytime soon
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>>52892473
Where is this in? I'm interested in reading
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>>52892457
Maybe they need to be remade, but a plain regiment needs to exist so people can make their own guardsmen.
Like how a majority of Space Marine models are generic Space Marines that can be customized into the chapter you want them in.
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>>52892495
What are the oldest plastic troops?
Imperial Guard and Chaos?
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>>52890814

What's the best place to download Warhammer 40 K books?
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>>52892477
It will probably tiered rolling, like in SW:A. You need a 7+ to wound? Well, better prepare throw a six and then at least 3+. Wounding on 8+? Thats a six and a four to wound. And so on.
That's not impossible, but nothing but a most desperate tactic if you actually play the game.
Not to mention that Land Raider will shoot back and probably has a squad of Terminators loaded.
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>>52892537
seriously?
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>>52892554

I usually get books from that lib .ru place but the warhammer books are filled with errors
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>>52892491
As soon as AoS came out, I feared 40k would suffer the same fate, I can still recall the fucking cringe I was feeling reading the AoS rules, Take whatever you want thanks to no points!, Wacky rules cus why not, 4 pages of a bad (not streamlined, bad) rule set, killed off Slaanesh, ect. ect.

After seeing a setting I loved for years blown up for a much, much worse game, I feared that would happen to 40k. My gaming nightmare is coming true. I sound upset because I am
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Oh fuck, is Forge World discontinuing Elysian Drop Troops? Most of the line is "no longer available". I guess I waited to long to start my Elysian army. :-(

I guess it would be too much to hope that they are updating the entire product line?
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>>52892526
The codex.
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>>52892533
I think it's either Chaos Space marines or Khorne Berserkers
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>>52892313
Shut up, racist!
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>>52891628
I was just referring to how in that one Storm of Chaos thing Archeon was having a jolly old time raising the Empire's cities then out of fucking nowhere Grimgor appears and headbutts him. I thought it would be a great allusion if they had Ghazzy do something similar to Abaddon.
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>>52892561
>>52890814
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>>52892477
Nigga just look at our current T chart. Some S can't hurt certain T. S1 can't hurt T5+, S4 can't hurt T8+, etc.

This will likely stay, and they did say stats can go above 10. T10+ vehicles, likely.
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>>52891912
Yeah old kill team had squads of goons that would investigate noise and would move toward it and stuff until they detected the kill team.
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>>52892573
Its possible they are repackaging redoing stuff, some of it came back from being no longer available. It's a constant fear though.
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>>52892477
But that still doesn't mean it can realistically kill it.

First off, GW confirmed that vehicles can no longer be instant-killed by a single lucky shot.

Second, let's assume that worst case is a 6 always wound, and you don't have 6 followed by 4, 5, etc for highest toughness. Landraiders will be tough, and all units use the same statline, so at least a 2+ armoursave. Stats can go above ten, but let's not go to wild and say the Landraider has 15 wounds.

That would mean that, statistically speaking, it would take 90 succesfull wounds to kill a Landraider with a Grot firing its gun at it, which means 540 succesfull hits, which means 1080 shots. Terrifying I'm sure.
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>>52892595

I don't mean the rules and stuff, but the fictional works in the universe like the Imperial guard series ect
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>>52892573

I emailed them about that not too long ago actually because I wanted to finish my Elysian infantry with a third platoon and squad of guardsmen.

Some of the kits they rarely sold, so they are repacking things together (I assume the two command squads are being rolled into one, the missile launcher and mortar squad being rolled into one, etc). They should be back later on in the year.
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>>52891723
>Talked to wife about getting back into 40k
>Haven't touched it since I was a kid
>We check out the shop together
>Suddenly have 2000pts of tau, 500pts of SM and an imperial guard team for SW:A
>All on her dime, she wont back down or let me lighten the cart
Best feel
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>>52892597
>This will likely stay, and they did say stats can go above 10. T10+ vehicles, likely.

>Q&A specifically mentioned lasguns killing tanks.

Doubt it.

More likely it's either the scaling Toughnsss
Wound on 6s and then reroll 6s for 2+/3+/4+ etc.

Or everything gets wounded on 6s andLand Raiders have 10+ HPs and a 2+ Sv which would be 360 lasgun hits to accomplish.
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>>52892631
>wife
Almost had me until there, anon
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>tfw my turn 1 charging Maulerfiends will now be Monstruous Creatures
8th edition best day of my life!
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>>52892652
>8e MC lose AP2 unless provided by weapon
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>>52892652
Then I play my 'prevent enemy charge' command point and laugh.
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>>52892601
>>52892622
Okay, that makes me feel a bit better. Elysians are awesome and deserve more love from FW.
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>>52892663
I already don't like this.
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>>52892659
The amount of tyranid players freaking out. Well, with their base strength, they would probably be ignoring most armor, or making the 3+ almost pointless.
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>>52892529
What makes cadians plain?
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>>52891818
Yea, go away contributing members of our already very niche community! We don't want you or your kind cluttering up the store!

>>52892253
Mathhammering a game that isn't even out yet using idealized rules your guessing at based on vague comments by PR reps probably isn't the best argument you could make.

And it's not so much if the tactic c is viable so much as it is that the tactic exists at all. Very hard to figure out how a grot blasta managed to knock off the last wound on a Titan.
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>>52892644
>>52892607
Word from GW agrees, sure you can kill a landraider with lasguns. But it takes an unreasonable amount of time with an unfeasible number of minis to do it.
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>>52892659
>what are the two powerfists they come with
World Eaters will easily be the best Chaos army after this. Not only is my whole army in your face Turn 1 now but they also attack first and the Walkers will have a shit ton of Toughness and Wounds!

Blood for the Blood God!
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>>52892683
They're the most bland and characterless fatigues and body-armor type scifi soldier.
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>space bugs will be the weakest army
>not even allies with GSC
HAHAHA
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>>52892671
I wish GW would do elysians.
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>>52892390
>Build a galaxy's worth of vehicles
>Walk everywhere
Wish I was smart enough to understand Martian genius.
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>>52892663
They don't prevent charges, they just deny they just let you use your initiative instead of automatically getting attacked first.
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>>52892708
>using sacred machines when cyborgs have legs
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>>52892705
They are in better hands with FW, GW would not tolerate such relatively low sales.
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>>52892689
>And it's not so much if the tactic c is viable so much as it is that the tactic exists at all. Very hard to figure out how a grot blasta managed to knock off the last wound on a Titan
If i titan only has one wound left then its already received a brutal hammer and woukd e covered by dozens of new weak spots and exposed important an volatile systems that coukd be vulnerable to small arms fire.
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>>52892566
I doubt you actually play to be honest. Everyone who does play knows 7th ed is a hot mess.
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>>52892693
Nice! They had me worried for a second. So anti-vehicle weapons will be low fire rate, high S weapons just like before.
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>>52890814
Ty for the laugh, OP. Great pic for the thread.
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>>52892324
The nerdiest tank in the entire armed forces. 10/10 would drive for 8 hours through enemy territory in 108 degree weather with.
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I'm really hoping death guard has as small a model count as the blight kings in AoS.

The lazy painter's dream.
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>>52892718
But their legs are also sacred machines.
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>>52891527
I wouldn't be surprised of GW produced another alien faction, so they can have it feel like the entire galaxy is battling Chaos.

Rak'Gol would be cool but probably not what GW wants thematically right now.
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>>52892698
They really should be able to ally
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>>52892722
I think they would have better sales if they were cheaper and plastic.
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>>52892693
>1500 points of conscripts to kill a 250 point model
Seems like a fair enough trade.
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>>52892783
You think wrong.
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>tfw space cockroaches, gay elves, bdsm elves, communists, tin cans and goblins will finally be reduced to the NPCs they always were
Truly and eternally btfo! Praise the Dark Gods my nigga.
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>>52892765
They can currently. I don't see that changing.
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>>52892756
You didnt see the 8th starter set leak? it has like 15 snapfit nurglites total, lazy wargamer stuff kek
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>>52892765
Probably will once Key Words are added. Reason they dropped to AoC is to disable Genestealer buffs from bleeding onto Tyranids and vice versa.
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>>52892758
And they don't need their feelings hurt by implying they're not fast enough.
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>>52892756

Are you one of those shitty nurgle painters who slab ugly green stuff all over the models and then paints green and slaps brown ink all over the model and calls it a day?
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>>52892764
>yfw squats and slann get rules and models again
My body is ready
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>>52892796
How does that work fluff wise? Don't the tyranids just start eating everything the moment they land?
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>>52892797
You have a pic?
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>>52892799
>Do not anger the machine spirit that resides in your legs. - AdMech proverb
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>>52892792
How do you know?
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>>52892806
Typically but imagine if they arrived before a takeover was completed, I'd imagine they can hold off til the times right
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>>52892697
Perhaps, but that's also part of the appeal. You can paint them up to look like US army circa 20th century, Wehrmacht, or even 1800s soldiers with bright enough colors.

Cadians are the equivalent of your generic tactical squad: they rely on you to give them character. That said, I do love the armies that come with built-in character, and would love to see the steel legion updated in particular.
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>>52892802
Two shades of green and agrax earthshade actually
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Is it known what armies will the starter box have?
>>
dumb orks and nids players need to be fucking bullied
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>>52892838
DG and some chapter of loyalists, most likely ultras
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>>52892799
I just don't see the problem with adding more sacred machines.
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>>52892815
Welcome to the mechanicum! Where you can literally kick your own ass!
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>>52892412
They look like giant 7 year old boys dressing up like soldiers.
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>>52892838
Gilimarines vs. Deathgusrd
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>>52892732
Sure, I'm still playing 6th more then 7th, But I rather have a mess then shit. Just because the current edition has problems, hardly means you should make 40k age of baby's first wargame
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>>52892794
>Forever stuck playing SM versus Spiky SM
Why not just move to 30k?
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>>52892849
>>52892860
Fuck it then
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>>52892838
Death Guard vs Ultramarines.
Featuring the Ultra Ultramarines if that is what they truly are.
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>>52892865
30k nerds make fun of me and call me 40kid
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>>52892865
Because Space Marines deserve dominion over more than merely 30k.
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>>52892882
Karma?
Why does that matter anyways?
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>>52890921
Ok, I giggled.
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>>52892883
>dominion
>laughingcastellax.jpg
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>>52892794
>NPCs
>creating their own god of the dead to kill a chaos god

>>52892888
also because I play tyranids
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>>52892865
>get to participate in awesome pvp without NPC pve interference
>not a good thing
Garbage factions should stay in the bin.
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>>52892883
No they don't.
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>>52892803
It's more likely that we'll get Chaos versions of everything to play up the dichotomy between order and chaos.

Chaos Eldar.
Chaos Orks.
Chaos Necrons.
etc

You know GW really is is retarded enough to do the last one.
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>>52892899
If you play a non-space marine faction why are you upset about non-space marine factions getting a lil bit of focus.
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>>52892867
Hey now, black reach got some nice models so its okay ;^)
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>>52892911
>Chaos Orks.
>Khornate Ork Zerkas
>Daemon Prince Tuska Daemonkilla

I'd fuck with that
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>>52892794
Judging by the recent fluff, Imperium and 'Aeldari' (tutully origenel don steel) are now the main characters.

Chaos are the NPC bad guys and everyone else are the sideline NPCs.
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>>52892353
Pretty close to vostroyans in most ways except the gun and the helm (although the mask is close). Would love to see vostroyan plastics with grenadiers modeled like the Blanche artwork.
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>>52892789
agreed.
plus it means they can alloe things like all knight armies to still be around and the games will be less determined by the lists if every mini is a potential threat to the knights.
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>>52892929
>Implying Tuska didn't grow big enough to replace Khorne
Weren't there mentions of Ork faces appearing in space in the Gathering Storm books? Probably Tuska and his lads.
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>>52892794
From what I understand, Necrons are gonna have a much bigger role and Eldar classic are gonna play an even bigger role.

Necrons specifically because Abbaddon has to hunt down pylons to keep the warp storms moving and Eldar because of the new god kicking Slaanesh's ass across the warp.
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>>52892911
>Gork and Mork become chaos gods
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>>52892901

poor guilliman
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I think a grittier and more tactically styled Cadian guardsmen something more in line with how Kasrkins look would be great. Still some homage to the old models but something to show that "Oh shit their planet just got fucked by the Eye, shit got serious. Time to take off the water wings."
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>>52892693
How is anyone fucking stupid enough to actually think lasguns vs tanks will be viable? Basic common sense.
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>>52892976
Sssh, don't bring reason into this, just let us meme
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>>52892806
tyrabids don't start consumption to a significant degree until after the planet is conquered.

During the invasion the cultists fight with the nids. Once the invasion is won the tyranids turn on the cultists.
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>Orks
>Non-unitary
>unreliable
>great at slaughter

>Tyranids
>Unitary
>reliable
>good at slaughter

Tyranids are Orks 2.0
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>>52892994
People burning their armies or selling them on Ebay for a nickel and a dime right this moment :^)
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>>52892838
unconfirmed. but speculation is ultramarines vs death Guard
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>>52892566
And yet points were added to AoS, rules have been expanded, armies are slowly getting all their extra shit back. The rest of your argument is stop liking what i di t like, so kindly fuck off
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>>52891777

Only like 3 million managed to survive.
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>>52890814
I mostly see loyalist fags and works screeching on this board. Esp when you trigger them with the secret word:
Tau
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>>52893050
Still enough for like 1 or 2 battles
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>>52893050

There are cadians all over the galaxy, stupid idiot
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>>52892689
>I have no imagination, the post
I cam think of several ways a grot knocked off the last wound of a titan. Why is your imagination so shit compared to mine?
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>>52891726
What I want is two standard guard boxes and a veteran upgrades box

Long Coat box with Valhallan, Steel legions/DKoK and Vostrian heads
Jacket box with Cadian, Tallarn and Mordian heads
Veteran upgrade box with additional special weapons, shotguns, camo cloaks, resperator heads for all the above and carapace plates
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>>52893020
...you're right, let us profit from their stupidity!
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>>52893015
Orks are the galaxies white (or green) blood cells, they merely exists to ensure that no race ever becomes too big for its britches.

When a race expands too quickly, Orks see a proper fight and unite to crush it and once the threat is reduced there is no more proper fighting and they implode do to in-fighting.

Nids are more like a virus to which the immune system has to purge.
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>>52892806
The tyranids ignore the cultists until the planet is pacified.

Then the cultists are delivered to paradise.
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Are factions that don't get released in starting five NPC factions?
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>>52893084
I really like this way of distinguishing them.
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>>52893084
So Orks will save the galaxy from Tyranids
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>>52893087
>you will never be vored by smoking hot tyranids women
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>>52893134
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>>52893141
What are your references? Do you have a vore plan?
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>>52893170
As a Daemon of Excess, I know all about gluttony and devouring, be it meals or people. As for references, well, I'm afraid I've gobbled those all up!
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>>52891241
>change from a degrading game to a game that is equal to a dumpster fire

Eh, I'll stick with 40k
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>>52893121
Well from an anatomical standpoint, there are viruses that can fuck up or corrupt any cell including white blood cells so anons allegory stands pretty well. Orks are the checks and balances, but they're not impermeable or indestructible.

And like a virus, nids are constantly evolving and mutating to adapt. So I guess that even though loyalist scum or any of the demos may have the ability to beat the nids back in every battle, all it takes is one weakness to lose everything to the nids
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>>52891527
New Squats
Nu Marines made by Robot Grillman
Skaven
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>>52893193
I'm still not quite sold. Is there a satisfaction guaranteed?
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>>52891241
>playing infinity
Play it if you like Yiffing and rolling more random dice and not having fun
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>>52893242
>Skaven
You mean Ratgors, loyal servants of the Horned Rat, as well as Daemon of the Horned Rat. The newest Chaos God
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>>52893242
BRING BACK SQUATS
AS AN IMPERIAL GUARD REGIMENT
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>>52892705
I hope that everyone gets exactly what the want now that truescale (or true-proportion or whatever you want to sperg out about calling it) is in the game there's really nothing else to ask for.

One can only hope they use the Octarius war to give people a release break from chaos conflict because nids and orks getting updates as cool as truescale would be amazing
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What will happen to Apocalypse and Apocalyptic units with 8th edition?
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So, I just ordered a Contemptor Dread from the B@C box and some Mark 3 Spehss Mareens. Why does the Contemptor Dread look THAT static? I mean, I like its look and all, but why is it practically a monopose model? Can't be that hard to make legs you can move around a bit, can it?
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>like DA
>don't like bikes or land speeders
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>>52893345
All warhammer models are static if you just build them the way they come in the box.
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>>52893345
Who knows. Ask GW, maybe they will answer.
Probably the main reason is "because it's cheaper"
>>52893356
What bikes and landspeeders? Dark Angels are all about terminators. Bikes and Landspeeders don't even exist.
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>>52893345
The FW one looks awesome
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>>52893345
Most things are becoming mono-pose now, its easier to make more visually complex models/details if they don't have posable pieces
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>>52893345
From my experience the only thing you can really change the position of on the kit is the arms without trying to alter much. You could potentially slice up the legs to pose it in another way, but it might look messy unless you know what you're doing.

As for why, they probably just wanted something cheap and simple for the boxed game.
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>>52893345
You basically need to cut it up if you want to repose it.
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>>52893356
Raven guard and white scars are more bikes/speeders tho. DA are the plasma kings that happen to have good bikes and speeders, you also have best librarians no?
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>>52893373
Well, I guess I can cut the joints of his legs and do something with them. Guess I have to deal with greenstuffing them.
But with Space Marines you can at least change the arms, torso and head positions a bit.
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>>52893343
Current rules will be kaput, but Apocalypse will almost certainly be updated.
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>>52893399
>Raven Guard
>bikers
RG are all about jump packs.

>Dark Angels
>best librarians
They get special chaplains, not special librarians. Blood Angels are the most librarian-ey traditional astartes chapter.
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>>52891648
> don't ask me, you're the ones who are going to die
> when I'm in charge, every mission is a suicide mission

I'll take a regiment whose specialty isn't dying ty
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>>52893437
Raven guard are all about fast attack, they have the best assault marines yes but they also field bikes and speeders out the ass, same with white scars minus the jump packs. And yea I forgot if it was chaplains or librarians that DA had, either way DA are much more rounded than the latter two armies. You got deathwing for one
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>>52893466
>Deniying the very essence of the guard
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>>52893466
Krieg aren't suiciders, they just don't care about death. Their whole theme is that they're like emotionless humans that only live for war. Steel legion is way better tho I agree
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>>52892794
Why?
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>>52893466
I would love plastic Steel Legion, but I expect GW to embellish them too much because everything they make now has to look overly distinct.
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>>52893481
>they have the best assault marines

SAY IT AGAIN YOU ALBINO NIGGER
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>>52891572
>taking commie scum over based trench warfare nihilists
Free helicopter ride for you!
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Did anyone manage to zoom in/interpret the force org charts they kinda showed during the 8e Q&A?
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/25/warhammer-40000-unit-profiles/
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>>52893356
>plasma
>robes
>terminators
>torture
>actual warrior monk themes
>Deathwing Knights able to rape any 3+
>can swap their S7 AP3 Blind Concussive for a single Sx2 AP2 attack
>the sergeant equivalent has Fleshbane, too
>Precisions Strikes, Hammer of Wrath, and Hatred (CSM)
>WS5 with 2A base and 3 on the sergeant
>also T5 when base to base
>will rape even abaddon
Why would you not use Deathwing Knights? Literally better than lightning claw termis.
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>>52893665
> 2 wound Terminators are back
Yay!
> Dreadnoughts t7/w8
Can't wait for you fuckers to mathammer how many grots kill a dread.
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>>52893466
We'll just end up getting new cadians. Because GW hates the awesome parts of their own fluff for some reason.
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>>52893704
Depends on if they auto-wound on a 6+ or if they need a 6+ and then a 4+ or something like that. If it's just 6+ literally no reason to not just spam high volume of fire weapons against everything.
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>>52893727
> much higher Strength will still wound on 2+, low Strength will wound on a 6+
As of the page.
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>>52893591
Dead primarch, dead faction
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>>52893665
>stuff still dies quickly
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>>52893665
>AOS static To Hits in melee....

I'm sorry i just threw up a little. A bit disappointing.
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>>52893748
So, 30 Guardsmen rapid firing are statistically likely to put enough wounds on a dreadnought to threaten its demise. Hilarious.
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>>52893727
Dear god, the Vanguard can now pull their double damage schtick on literally ANYTHING, and they may still be able to toss on Rending from somewhere.
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>>52893665
Mmmm that dread profile
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>>52893783
There's still modifiers
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>>52893704
Based on >>52893748

You'd need 288 shots in order to kill a Dread with S 3 BS 3 shooting.
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>decide to get into 40k last month
>have wanted to play since I was a kid but never had the dosh
>have disposable income now, only hobby is working out, am a loser who works or sits around playing video games otherwise
>spent days trying to decide whether to go for Tyranids, who were always my favorite army, or Admech, who are more competitive
>eventually end up going all in on Tyranids despite how shitty they are
>literally three weeks later
>8th edition announced
>New Games Workshop (tm) claims that all armies are going to be balanced
>tfw Tyranids getting updated
>tfw there's a chance that my army won't be shit

Feels good, man. So glad I went with the right choice.

I can't wait for GW to crush my hopes for the third codex update in a row!
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>>52893727
Stronger weapons will deal multiple Wounds. That's the balance
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>>52893800
Is that assuming saves as well?
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>>52893801
Why didn't you go Genestealers for that nice inbetween of flavor and not sucking?
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>>52893823
Yeah. 288 shots, 144 hits, 6s to wound leaving you with 24 saves to make, and a third of those fail for 8 wounds total.
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>>52893665
>Speaking of Carnifexes, large monsters like them also have a lot more wounds now.
>Dreadnoughts are 8 wounds

>Carnifexes are now on the small end of Tyranid MCs
>Dreadnoughts are 8 wounds
>tfw Tyranid MCs are going to have at least 10 wounds, maybe as much as 20

My dick is rock hard right now.
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>>52893788
no? 60 shots, 30 hits, 5 wounds ~3 unsaved
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has anybody here fielded Breachers against Marines before?

I'm gonna fieldtest a 5-man team with Darkstrider next game. The idea is to outflank them right up a Vanguard Veteran squad with attached Chapter Master to tear them to shreds. CM has Artificer and Shield Eternal to protect him, but I have ID on my side.
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>>52893853
whoops ~2 unsaved
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>>52893849
As it gets wounded it loses stats.
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>>52893834
I got some GSC too to beef up my troop/melee potential, but the starter list I'm trying to build towards is still Tyranid-heavy.
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>>52893857
I've used a small squad of them, though I find getting them into position is tricky. As long as you catch the marines in light enough cover though, they go down real easily.

Just be wary of the inevitable counter-charge though.
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>>52893878
Still going to better than currently where it has 3 wounds and dies to a handful of sniper shots
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>>52893878
Just speculation, but I can easily see a reworked Synapse being something like

>Tyranid MCs in Synapse range half all their wound debuffs

Goes with the fluff about how Synapse makes Tyranids unstoppable killing machines who only stop going when they're finally dead.

I'm just being hopeful though. Knowing GW, I'm sure they'll find a way to fuck up the literal best army in the game for a fucking 4th edition in a row.
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>>52893847
That is, assuming that wounding something with T much higher than the S is capped at 6+, and not things like "first a 6+, than a 4+"
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>>52893665
I don't know what to think
>>52893924
>Snipers have instant death and wound on 2+ in 8th edition
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>>52893847
thats what? like 700 points of guardsmen to kill a ~120 point model.

yeah i guess thats fine. I'm betting you only need like 150 points of heavy weapon squad do do the same with lascannons.
infantry spam isn't going to be the kill everything button.
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>>52891818
Hey fuck boy eat my ass, sorry my space Russians blew your stupid Gundam shits off the tables you massive crybaby twat
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>>52893892
>Counter-charge
That's why I'm fieldtesting a basic 5-man team with no upgrades with Darkstrider. Maybe the Fighting Retreat will help me . I'm also aiming at the veterans to rape a very dangerous and expensive squad for a pittance in cost. I plan to marker them to get 2+ to hit and IC as well.

I usually run Darkstrider with a Rail Rifle pathfinder team but this might be better. If all goes well, might consider using a 1--man team with him. 20 shots!
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>>52891489
It's all just baseless conjecture. Retards and doomsayers have crawled out of the woodwork and filled half the threads on /tg/ with this "Age of Emperor" gibberish. Anytime any information comes out they find some way to twist GWs words into supporting their idiotic claims.
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>>52893783
I'm calling static to-wound rolls right now.
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fuck i am so hyped for 8e

please give plastic sisters gw, I want to start a new army for the new edition
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>>52891432
It bugs me how some drawings are amazing beautiful art of the lore that kinda represents a mini, like the guardsman or the sister and others are just that shitty "posing for paintscheme" thing, like the custodes and fire warrior
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>>52894026
They confirmed S and T are still in the game though?
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>>52893665
>>52893849
>Eldar are going to run faster than Guardsman, and Hormagaunts are going to run faster than both

WE'RE BACK LADS!
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>>52894026
They've mentioned Strength and Toughness is sticking around. So I doubt it.
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>>52894026
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/25/warhammer-40000-unit-profiles/
Why?
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>>52894026
see
>>52893665
it's also been confirmed that wound is still based on S vs T
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>>52894051
Don't listen to the retard

>>52894052
This makes me kinda wanna play tyranids, but I also don't particularly want to paint like 100 basic infantry units
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>>52893665
> Shit getting more wounds
> Any strength can wound any toughness
> Rate of Fire weapons with high damage are the new meta

Is the age of the Psilencer upon us, fellow GK players?
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>Orks are a melee race
>M4
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>>52893665
>2 wound termies
A A A A A A A A A A A A AA D ASDG SDG SADG ASDG NSD

YES

YES

MY DICK IS 200% ERECT
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>>52894059
Don't really feel that good about static to hit roll thing.
Also I thought iniative worked well.
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So how do you guys think these new profile rules will affect things that already caused wounds/glances on 6's, like guass weapons?
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>>52894120
Rending equivlanet.
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>>52893665
Two wound terminators baby!
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>>52894073
>Is the age of the Psilencer upon us, fellow GK players?

Maybe? But I doubt the Psilencer will be the same as its current incarnation (which was different than its introduction)

Either way Psycannons get a good amount of shots (probably multi-wounds) and a decent AP

So Psycannon will still be king imo
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>>52893665
> 2 wound termies.
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>>52894120
No need to reroll on a 6 against higher Toughness, I guess?
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>>52894114
It would make sense if movement is the replacement stat for initiative when there is no charge.
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>>52894114
>Don't really feel that good about static to hit roll thing.

It actually provides greater granularity than the previous systems.

Before it was 3+, 4+ or 5+ to hit.
Now we can see that 2+ and so probably 6+ exist.
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>>52893953
That's why I said based on >>52893748
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>>52894150
>>52894137
But their armour will be worse
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>Charging models strike first
WHY?
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>>52892607
My guess is vehicles will have a lot of wounds and take take a lot of fire from smaller arms. But there will be certain weapons that do multiple wounds if the target has a VEHICLE keyword.
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>>52894137
>>52894150
Why be happy?
Armour pen is a thing now, so you don't even need AP2 to fuck them up easily.
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>>52894114
I think it'll work out. It means that things like Tau will actually be weak in melee since they'll probably need 5s to hit anyone, and all those units that used to have WS of 6 or better are gonna be super accurate now.
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>>52894176
NOW IS THE AGE OF THE POWERFIST AND EVISCERATOR!

REJOICE, BRETHREN OF THE GIANT CHAINSWORD!
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>>52894176
Because it's the better system t. WHFB
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>>52894176
Goes fast armies are typically melee armies so them getting to smack first helps.
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>>52894179
How do Keywords work?
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So if powerful weapons inflict multiple wounds per hit, can we expect them to be deadlier to infantry?

Take a Fusion Blaster, it only ever inflict 1 wound or glance/pen. In 8th, if for example it does 3 damage, does that mean it now kills 3 1-wound dudes per shot?
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>>52894191

>elves always strike first
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>>52894211
No, I'd imagine it'll function like D weapons do now, with those 3 wounds from a strong weapon only going towards one model
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>>52894211
No, it means one guy dies three times over if they're keeping it inline with previous patterns.
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>>52894211
Right weapon for the right target
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>>52894220
>re-rolling always strike first swordmasters
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>>52894210
Each unit has a selection of keywords.
Some stuff only effects a unit of certain keywords.
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>>52894266
That sounds like current special rules.
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>>52894249
>>52894239
>>52894231
I see, alright then.

Well so far I actually really like the changes but i'm just wary about having frustratingly resilient tanks. They were too soft right now, for sure but I fear this might make them such a tedious chore to budge. Let's see the weapon profiles tomorrow though.
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>>52894294
Big guns will do multiple wounds though. Just because you can kill them with lasguns, doesn't mean that's a good strategy.
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>>52894292
Yes, but more focused. Instead of being like Hit and Run which 1 model = whole unit it might be Ravenwing:
>A unit composed entirely of UNFORGIVEN gain the Hit and Run special rule.

Unforgiven being anything from Codex: Dank Angles
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>>52891527
probably DG and maybe some sects of Imperium. 'fraid the xenos might be left out a bit.
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>>52894292
It's current special rules fixed so that rule exploits are more difficult.
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>>52894292
Not really, special rules give rules to a unit.
Keywords typically mean a unit is affected by rules.

For example a Space Marine captain might have a rule that lets every unit within 12" with the SPESS MARAN keyword attack an additional time.
Alone the keyword does nothing.
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>>52893591
I think using the jump packs at every phase and rerolling Hammer of Wrath is better than just having furious charge and descent of angels, no?
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>Orks are fighting the tryanids in Octavius
>Both are getting bigger from constant war and endless biomass
Photosynthetic fungal tyraniorks SOON
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>>52894354
>>52894341
It's new, therefore I must be wary
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>>52894338
I just hope they do enough. If we're getting land raiders with "dozens" of wounds (like let's assume 36 wounds), having a meltagun deal 3 would make it un-fun to face.

If it did 10 though, that's more reasonable.
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>>52894181
>why be happy?
I think this is the most /tg/ comment I've ever read. That is indeed the question lads, why be happy? If I don't like something how can you possibly like it? Stop being happy when I am not please
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>>52894364
More like TYRANIDORKS
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>>52891588
wtf u on about. look at the map. bad bait.
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>>52894378
>>52894364
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>>52894176
Because we're sick of your shit eldar fag
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>>52894364
>>52894378
>>52894385
>a fusion of the two worst armies to ever "grace" the game
Jesus, no thank you.
>>
I'm surprised nobody's talking about the huge change they slipped into the Space Marine profile: Leadership 7
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>>52893665
What concerns me about the stat line for marines is it's still 3+. Now in 7th that's pretty damn good. However if they use the weapon profiles from Shadow War then marines will be saving against the most basic Tau weapons on a 5+. That seems pretty unbalanced.
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>>52894373
2E big guns did loads. I think some were like 2D12 or 4D6. I doubt they will use other dice, but I expect really big guns will do really big damage.
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>GW reinstating movement values
Sick! Sounds like it'll add a lot of strategy!
>Vanilla Marines move 6". dreadnoughts move 6"
Uh... alright
>Terminators only move one less inch than Vanilla Marines at 5"
What the fuck?
>Rowboat Girlyman moves 8"
Mmkay. My hopes for 8th are sinking.
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>>52894398
>every unit with keyword: SPESS MAHREEN is fearless and counts their leadership as 10 while being a SPESS MAHREEN
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>>52894398

>guardsmen are going to be leadership 6
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>>52894385
HERR...HEARA...WHATEVA DA 'UMIES SCREAM BEFOR DEY'Z SHOOTIN' DERE OWN LADZ!
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>>52894420
>surprised that units will still move around 6 inches
What we're you expecting if I may ask?
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>>52894373
Well, most likely a Land Raider would be more in the ballpark of 20 wounds.

At that point, I'd expect Meltaguns to deal say, 1d6 to normal targets and 2d6 to vehicles. 3 solid melta hits or 2 lucky ones to kill a Land Raider is more than fair.
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>>52894398
Probably a somewhat changed system. (Tests are now on 1D6.)
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>>52894420
>Vanilla Marines moving 6"
What did you expect faggot?
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>>52894420
What on earth makes you think the baseline infantry wouldn't move a baseline distance?
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>>52891943
remove kebab pls
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>>52894443
Melta should rightfully be 1d6 at long range and 2d6 at short range.
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>>52894443
Melta will also be double (or double the dice) at half range.
>>
Assault Marines better have some obscene movement.
>>
So do we have a date for 8th ed or is it just soon?
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>>52894369
It's not so much as "new" but a more integrated(?) version of the exisiting "Faction" rules currently in 40K
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>>52891432
Xenos Empires name change to Ancients of War
Tau to hordes section
Xenos Hordes to Rising Tides of War.
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>>52894420
Guilliman has longer legs than the marines. Of course he'll move faster.
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>>52894507
Some date in June was floating about, but I don't know if it was legit.
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>>52894507
"this year", although they said they'll be announcing an actual date soon

I'd bet around june or july
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>>52894505
6"
Jump Packs let them move twice in the Movement phase and ignore terrain.
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>>52894471
If gw said that vehicles will no longer be 1 shot, we can rightfully assume that designated anti tank weapon will be able to destroy a vehicle in 2-3 hits
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>>52891726
>Cadian
Is the most prevalent Ethnic group in Warhammer 40,000. A shitload of the people in 40k with white skin and caucasian features are cadian, have cadian in them, or are married to a cadian.
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>>52894542
>Implying they won't just give jump infantry their full movement listed under their movement stat to keep things simple
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>>52894524
It will be released in time to rake in summer sales. Now that they've mentioned it's coming their sales will dip, so I doubt they'll wait til September before they start giving us more stuff to buy
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>>52893591
SW have you beat
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>>52894190

Don't start celebration yet, weapons like power fist and thunder hammer may have special rules that you will strike last instead for first.
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Is there a novel for the siege of Fenris or was it just fluff in a codex?
What are some good thousand sons novels?
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>>52894190
The crimson fisters shall rise again
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>>52894616
>Is there a novel for the siege of Fenris or was it just fluff in a codex?

I think there were some short stories. But the whole thing is in Warzone Fenris books.

>What are some good thousand sons novels?

Ahriman novels.
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>>52894656
New General
>>52894656
Leaver your shit behind
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>>52893665
This all looks good to be honest.
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>>52894652
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>>52894708
Damn, nice edit
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>>52894385
The bottom right one makes me laugh every time.
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>>52894563
Assault Marines don't HAVE to have Jump Packs tho. It's an option. Hell their kit COMES with regular packs so I'm assuming they'll still have the option.
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>>52893801
>I can't wait for GW to crush my hopes for the third codex update in a row!
it's more likely than you think
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>>52894433
>Orkz will become ld5
>battle shock system
>they'll always run
It's AoS battleshock, orkz are done for
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>>52895121
>He doesnt realize in AoS Units above 10 models get bonuses to battle shock
Glad to see you dont know anything.
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>>52894433
Just going to mean that you'll have the option to have the commissar off a dude instead of rolling battleshock.
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>>52894249
That is what I was thinking.
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>>52893665
>static to hit in melee
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AHHHHHHHHHH AHHHH WHY?
though i guess this does make it more on level with shooting
AHHHH I DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK, /tg/ TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD THINK!
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>>52895904
It's good
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>>52895904
The variation was only 3-5+ anyway, I don't think we'll actually miss it in practice.
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