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Direct weekly metagame link:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WCD5RsSUmTJJHF870YQZ7oS1xBDTX3a0OPnfoRqKY7I/pubhtml/sheet?headers=false&gid=410422045

>>52885977
Wow this format is fucking trash, glad I've got a legacy deck.

>>52886005
Here's a reply

>>52886005
Hopefully it wasn't Miracles!

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>>52885958
>Playing?
DSJ, Grixis Delver, Azorius Control
>Brewing?
Sultai Control and Temur Delver
>B&R thoughts?
Glad no changes were made, a metagame takes a long period of time to adapt.
>Metagame thoughts?
The metagame is looking fairly healthy all things considered. I'm curious to see what it will look like by the next B&R update.

>>52885789
Because Zendikar was my first set, so I have one of the Zendikar bolts as a reminder.

>>52885977
>U/W control still climbing
Yessss

>>52886115
Are you just trolling?

>>52886134
Just placed my order for my missing pieces (Turns out I had half the pieces sitting around). Can't wait to blow out DS decks with Condemn.

>>52886078
I don't get how you don't have glare on them

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>>52886005
Truly you are enlightened by the perfection of the format that is legacy. I tip my fedora to you, as a fellow man of impeccable taste!

>>52885977
>infect is dead

Unsure how to feel about that

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>>52886200
I spun the top for good luck.

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>>52885958
>Playing?
G/B Tron, although my local meta has recently been infested with Eldrazi Tron so I'm considering switching to G/W.
>Brewing?
Nothing really. I want to tackle Izzet Blitz in modern because I love that deck in pauper but I don't think Modern has the cantrips to support it.
>B&R thoughts?
I got a chuckle out of all the butthurt the top ban has caused
>Metagame thoughts?
I'm pretty happy with the current metagame. There's a wide variety of combo, aggro, and midrange decks all doing well and we're even seeing the occasional control deck put up results.

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part 1/2

New update for the meme deck:

Menagerie is cute for the Redcap version, but the CoCos have been weak as fuck.

cut the Menagerie, cut the Redcap, and get those ballistas outta my face.

I present to you the true wincon:

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>>52886477
part 2/2

RHONAS
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>>52886491
PRAISE SNEK GOD!

Im happy there were no changes to the Modern Banned list. Deaths Shadow is fine and just barely the best deck. The Legacy/Vintage changes were interesting, im fine with Top being gone mostly due to the time issues it creates at tournaments and that Miracles was the undisputed king and nothing was going to change that. Weird that Mentor got a nerf but im no Vintage buff so ill leave that debate to those who are.

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>tfw the format is such that hyper-efficient cards like pic related don't and in fact can't see play.

>>52886577
Desu I can't believe they hit probe before misstep.

Misstep promotes the most bullshit counter that boil down to who draw more copies. It's fucking retarded desu

>>52886533
Unlike crappy Ballisto he gets hit by CoCo, and unlike Invoker he's not a shitty card.
He's a literal
G*D
*
D

>>52886642
Ballista doesn’t need combat step

>>52886631
Knight tribal is probably better than Kithkin, desu

>>52886300
I'm building it as we speak but the superior BG version. Going to bring Infect back to it's rightful place

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>>52886810
You take that back you filthy whore.

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>>52886884
You're doing Yawgmoths work, anon.

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>>52886891
>take that back
Not a chance

Now away with thee, plebeian midget

>>52886884
This is just the saddest little post I've seen all day

>>52886635

Probe was far worse than Mistep in mentor decks and Mistep is kind of dead card in alot of matchups but you just pitch it to FoW. Other than Ancestral Recall, Brainstorm, Ponder, Sol Ring it doesn't really hit much and these cards are restricted. You might catch the odd Pyroblast or two but that's about it. Shops certainly doesn't care about it and neither does Eldrazi or Oath decks. There's actually alot of shit in Vintage that gets played at cmc 2 or 3 regularly.

There are times when you have to sit there and think about Mana Draining the Probe because you don't want them to have info about your hand only for them to Probe again anyway but you don't want to risk fighting a counter war because they'll just get more dudes. Not only was probe giving free draws and dudes to the Mentor decks but you could also just sit there and Mistep your probe and then Mistep your Misteps in a chain to just get more dudes and huge dudes fast on top of free draws and perfect information. It was getting so dumb that I started playing Engineered Plague in the mainboard of Grixis Thieves.

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>>52886917
>mfw his tribe isn't even connected mentally for perfect coordination
How are knights even supposed to compete?

>>52886990
Knights cant compete with the BKC

>>52886884
>lose any counter play, unblockable infect and unblockable pumps
>for a 2/2 for 3 infect that dies to push
Desu

>>52887041
>lose any counter play
Not him, but Black has discard, anon

Deck is still totally shit, though. I feel bad for that guy.

you guys ready for all the legacy refugees trying to force UWX control for the next 6 months?
the stinky fat ones, i mean. not the normal legacy miracles players. they'll all switch to stoneblade or bug pile.

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>agree with a friend to help each other playtest matchups for our decks
>I am on Bant Spirits, he - on merfolk
>Agree to run few games unsideboarded to get an idea of game 1

>Play land, hierarch, go
>gut shot ;^)
>"I just run these mainboard lol!"

>Test a different deck, Grixis Control, he is still on fish
>He plays turn one Relic of Progenitus
>"What? I always run two mainboard!"

>End of another game w/ spirits
>Mention how I've never seen spreading seas this game
>"yah lol I don't put them in they're bad against you"
>but aren't we running game 1 simulations?
>"well duh that's my mainboard"

why are merfolk players so braindead

>>52887117
Jerking off to fish kills braincells, it's a scientific fact

>>52887117
Find some friends that aren't retarded.

>>52887117

To be fair, some lists do run Relic mainboard.

>>52887163
no merfolk list doesnt run spreading seas.

>>52887117
>get rekt by a nextlevel fish list running nextlevel cards
>calls the fish player bad
he's simply moved beyond spreading seas. the opponent will play an island for him.

jk dudebro just memeing heh, I'm sorry you feel that way though.
also is there a way to make bloodhall ooze work in sneks?

4 Bloodhall Ooze
2 Servant of the Scale
4 Experiment One
4 Winding Constrictor
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Avatar of the Resolute
4 Narnam Renegade
4 Walking Ballista
1 Rishkar, Peema Renegade
2 Hangarback Walker

4 Hardened Scales

1 Jund Charm
2 Lightning Bolt
2 Fatal Push

20 Lands

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>>52887117
Why would you even be "friends" with a merfolk player? What do you hope to achieve?

>>52887215
No shit, I was only talking about Relic.

>all this samefag merfolk hate

Where did the fish touch you?

>>52887448
With his Spreading Seas, right on my second White source.

>>52885977
>eldrazi tron

Is this deck really that good

Seems very straightforward and easy to blow out

>>52887163
I know for sure he doesn't though. He did mention that some lists do - but for some mysterious, otherworldly reasons I never saw any of the relics in any of my games on Spirits.

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Anyone have the decklist for scapeshift. I'm talking izzet charm, cryptic, snappy and mana leak with scapeshift as the combo win con. The good old days.

>>52887288
I know you're memeing. The issue is not him actually playing a different list - that's would have been fine. But I know for sure that he runs a standard list - he just "happens" to "adjust" it "just a tiny bit" specifically for whenever we play in private.

>>52887506
It's quite powerful. It also folds to stony silence and is not fast enough, from my experience, to beat an aggro deck backed by some removal

>play bant spirits v eldrazi tron
>game 1 on the play - hand has mausoleum wanderer, selfless spirit, rattlechains, rattlechains, hierarch, cavern and gavony township
>I have a choice of casting cavern on humans and actually having a hierarch or never getting to play hierarch
>go with the latter
>never draw another land
>win with flying bear beats by casting one per turn and saccing wanderer to counter all is dust

>game 2
>turn 2 stony silence, turn 3 geist
>path his batterskull token so he never gets to re-equip it

I think it's a strong deck but it's a fair one - as far as shitty mistakes that are eldrazi go

>>52885977
>Infect
>nowhere to be found

man am i glad to have sold that to buy into abzan midrange

>>52885977
>UBx Death's Shadow

I can't find lists for this anywhere. Anyone got any? I have a UB manabase from an old brew, so I might be able to buy this up for fairly cheap.

>>52887900
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-grixis-death-s-shadow#online

>>52887900
It's not UB, it's Grixis. The list goes something like the following, sometimes splashing white for Lingering Souls:
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-04-17-grixis-shadow/

I am thinking about being a tryhard faggot and upgrading my Grixis Control to this but am still missing Thoughtseizes and motherfucking Street Wraith (which is not an 8 dollar card apparently) and am not sure if buying into it is a good idea, since WotC have been utterly retarded with the B&R list lately.

>>52886174
>condemn
Lol stop this meme. It's bad enough sam black had to roast 1R r&d on twatter for mentioning that shit card.

>>52887926
>>52887932

Thanks anons.

What are your thoughts on Bant Knightfall as opposed to spirits and other "fair" coco decks? Is it worth blowing 70 quid to get sets of voices and knights?

If I posted a green stompy list would you guys give me good feedback or just make fun of me?

>>52888092
Post it and find out

>>52888280
O-okay!

Creatures (26)
4 Experiment One
4 Strangleroot Geist
4 Avatar of the Resolute
4 Leatherback Baloth
4 Dryad Militant
4 Narnam Renegade
2 Dungrove Elder

Enchantments (4)
4 Rancor

Instants (9)
2 Aspect of Hydra
4 Vines of Vastwood
3 Blossoming Defense

Lands (21)
2 Treetop Village
19 Forest


Sideboard (15)
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Choke
2 Root Maze
3 Dismember
2 Feed the Clan
3 Natural State
2 Creeping Corrosion

I had Consumptive Oozes in the list before realizing they're a nonbo with the Militants.

>>52888045
I think the deck's in a similar spot to where Death's Shadow was before it became 10-15% of the metagame by slotting into GBx. There are probably other shells that aren't CoCo that aren't even being explored right now, because CoCo is just the way everyone does it.

>>52888329
>Consumptive Ooze

I meant Scavenging Ooze. I should probably sleep at some point.

>>52885977
Mardu tempo?

What could the list be and why is not the superior Mardu tokens list that anon used to post last summer?

>>52888329
Looks good anon. As a fellow Stompy player (and poor fag) I'd probably run 3 Dismember mainboard along with 2-3 Scooze. Militant only hits Instants and Sorceries, so it's irrelevant to Scooze's activated ability.

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>>52888709
>mfw I was the nonbo all along

Thanks anon!

What competitive GW decks are out there that run under 1k? I just want to play Voice and Township.

>Playan
8whack
>brewan
Kithkins
>b&r thoughtsan
Should have banned deaths shadow, goyf, tron lands and the colour blue

>>52889003
>GW with Township and Voice
Just grab some 2/2's and play GW hatebears

>no on plays Soul Sisters anymore

I hate this fucking format.

>>52889077
Then why don't you play it

>>52887107

>tfw even more draw-go autists shitting up the thread

I don't know if there's a correct thread for this but does modo have block constructed back for Amonkhet?

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>>52887601
>mfw someone used my eldrazi meme
truly today is a wondrous day.

I just don't like Renegade Rallier in my Melira deck, I have tested it into hell and 70% of the time it feels clunky as opposed to the clean value you get from Ewitt.

Going to cut him, maybe push a second mainboard Tracker.

>>52889003
Little Kid, Hatebears or GW CoCo

>>52889274
GW hatebears is not under 1k. Atleast my build isn't.

>>52889334
The big hit are the Horizon Canopies, you can sub them out and build them over time but even with them I don't think it goes over 1k. Goldfish has it just about 970 with the full built included.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-wg-34504#paper

Can someone photoshop Aron Forsythe's head onto death's shadow with a speech bubble that says "it's okay you have condemn". We need a meme from this bullshit..

>>52889368
As a burnfag the fact that anyone would recommend Condemn to deal with DS triggers me

>>52889418
Forsythe is just completely disconnected from any competitive format. When he talked about standard bans in the ban announcement prior to the last he mentioned Dampening Pulse seeing use to counter Standard Mardu Vehicles when it's a) sideboard tech for Saheeli and b) actually shit only fridge decks were playing

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>>52889368
Poorly done and not what you asked for, but here.

>>52889610
It's serviceable. Thanks

>>52889677
No problem.

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>Turn 2 Thing in Ice
>Turn 3 Blighted Agent

Did I miss a meme?

>>52889739
I guess we both did, because Thing in the Ice goes in U/R prowess decks, where infect creatures don't.

>>52889179
>Hating Draw-Go
Lil timmy's windmill ex-slam-aganza cancer

>>52889368
>>52889418
>>52889438
What the fuck are you talking about? Condemn -IS- a good card against death's shadow.

>>52889904
If they have no discard prior to attacking it can be good against DSJ while being shit everywhere else. Blessed Alliance served a very similar purpose while being more useful in a variety of match ups, which is why we see actual tiered decks like bant eldrazi and GW tron play it. Saying condemn is emerging to counter death shadow is wrong because it's not emerging at all. Aron Forsythe isn't informed about the modern meta game, he just quickly googles reddit threads on what secret tech counters death shadow.

>>52890041
Yes it is. Condemn is popping up it a lot of u/w lists specifically because of death's shadow. I run it for that purpose. Paul Cheon put up a video with him running it. This is a real trend that is actually happening.

>>52890058
UWx lists were already running condemn to get more removal after path.

>>52890058
>a single deck, which runs Blessed Alliance more often than Condemn
>a trend

>suffer from social anxiety
>decide to go to a lgs so I can play regularly
>everyone there is formed into cliques and generally acting like assholes
>only one guy acts friendly and tries to help out a new player like me
>had such a bad time I've never gone to any other stores
I've been super sheepish since then and have thought about going back, but I just needed to vent a bit
What's the best event to go to if im starting up again?

>>52890181
Prerelease.

>>52890181

You should come back, Tony. You are a cool dude.

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Not the Anon who originally posted this image, but I have a different question:

What deck would you put in a deckbox that looks this smug?

I want one like it so people know that I am a shitlord.

Persuade me not to buy into Grixis Shadow - I have almost all of the cards, except 1 Inquisition, 4 Thoughtseizes, 2 Shadows and 4 Street Wraiths - so it will cost me some 80 Yuro to buy it all.

Wizards' banning retardation traumatised me to the point that I no longer feel safe doing so.

>tfw your first modern deck that you loved and knew in great depths became obsolete overnight
At least I made the best of that shit situation and got into legacy but still

>>52891047
>>52879635
All replies still valid.

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>>52891047
Forest Belcher desu

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>>52891047
Probably some bloodmoon chalice ensnaring bridge bullshit with mana monkeys. If your meta is good for it eternal command works too.

>>52891131

>Not running a single Stomping Ground for MAXIMUM DAMAGE

Shit list, would not touch.

>>52885977
Damn, what happened? What knocked down eldrazi and tron decks? Really surprised UBx shadow is tier one. Super happy it made it, made the deck two weeks ago.

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>>52891144
>Eternal Command
How many years has it been?

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>>52891178
>Bullying my shit brew

>>52891240
Affinity and dredge are up, difficult match ups for Gx tron. Most loses from bant eldrazi are people switching to eldrazi tron.

>>52891131
You should swap out one of those for Traverse the Ulvenwald.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tasigurblins/
Is this deck good? Any decks similar that are maybe good?

>>52891261
So long. If you look up a list it'll probably still have sideboard cards for beating a super heavy goyf meta, like Threads of Disloyalty. It's probably pretty shit in this meta, none of its main deck removal can take down death's shadow.

>>52891333
>Is this deck good?
No
>Any decks similar that are maybe good?
Similar in what way? Tribal? Faeries is the closest you are going to get to competitive but even that is like tier 3-3.5

>>52891424
Merfolk.

Elves is worse, but also a thing.

>>52891451
I derped so hard I forgot about fish and elves. To be fair I can't remember the last time I played against these decks, hell I even saw a Spreading Seas being cast the other day but it was from some jank Grixis Death's Shadow deck.

>>52891283
Yeah I suppose, the deck isn't really ever wanting to play a game that goes long enough to turn delirium on but if that ever happens, fetching wurmcoils would be pretty good.

>>52891451
I´m new to MTG, where can I see the list

>>52891607
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-merfolk-22888#paper

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-elves-34561#paper

>>52891607
Go nuts - https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-merfolk-22888#online

>>52889003
The new Devoted remedy deck is pretty cheap

>>52885977
Where do these get these numbers? Strictly online?

>>52889077
>no one plays a bad deck
>this is somehow an issue

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL9jA3CKBDY

>>52891270
>no disruption and slower goldfish than affinity is a difficult mu for relic of progenitus+ugin: the deck
?

If they ban deaths shadow what will they hit? Why not Traverse? That's really the card breaking the deck. It's literally just a fucking worldly tutor in their deck

>>52891930
Thoughtsieze

>>52891954
Don't be a retard

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>>52891965
You were clearly warned in the most recent ban announcement. WotC is going to hit black for being better than all the other colors.

>>52892016
I took that to mean they were going tonunban Jace.

>>52891882
I agree with a lot of this, really don't understand why the fuck after they printed the half decent bw tokens deck that actually sold well they just stopped making decent premise decks, really made no sense to me

>>52892198
>Jace
>Stoneforge
>Green Sun
>Song

Daily reminder that Aaron Forsythe has voiced his opinion on these cards:
NEVER
EVER

>>52891882
I'd like it if wizards made more of an effort to allow for an easier buy in to modern / allow standard to be a stepping stone for modern. It gives me more people to play against. I never got those people who don't want their decks to drop in value because "muh investment". That deck is gonna be worth a whole lot less if its made for a dead format/game.

I think b/w tokens seems pretty well positioned in the Meta right now. I can't imagine the dsj match up is very bad in a deck packed with removal and chump blockers. With all the good sideboard cards in white you have game against the unfair decks.

Is there some horrible match up I'm not thinking of other than Tron?

>>52886917
Enchant with Spectra Ward for lulz

>>52892375
How does tokens fare against combo? (Storm/Ad Naus etc...) Seems like it might be a tough matchup.

>>52892398
Black would give you access to hand disruption.

>>52892438
Right. Disregard my dumb questions ;-;

>>52892398
With all the discard and access to eidolon of rhetoric/rip/Leyline you can hate most combos out.

>>52892398
Doesn't b/w tokens run discard?
The thoughtseize/inquisition package has traditionally been good against combo.

I have never been more happy with a B&R announcement in my life. Control shitters BTFO once again.

>>52892482
It does, but every deck you might think is good against dsj isn't cause they just thoughtseize your good cards

>There are people ITT who don't run the Thune/Spike combo in the main of their Abzan CoCo decks

Explain yourselves.

>>52892375
You can't chump Grim Flayer or Battle Rage. but yeah I imagine the matchup is favorable if the hand disruption doesn't rape getting started, problem is that DS doesn't take up half the meta even if it is the best deck in the format and tokens don't have a favorable matchup against most of the field.

>>52892518
Well yeah, that can happen sometimes. But against DSJ B/w tokens has access to both leylines, RIP, condemn, path, surgical extraction. The post board matchup is extremely in it's favor, simply because of the sheer number of cards that specifically fuck DSJ in the ass.

>>52889248
I though it was fucking hilarious

>>52890181
Lmao you fucking loser

>>52892544
>Grim Flayer
Why you insist on talking about things when you have no idea what's going on?

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>>52887601
Something like this?

>>52891047
Eggs or some other barely viable and super annoying combo deck.

>>52892958
There has to be something better than anticipate.

>>52892958
I'm a big fan of a singleton damnation myself

>>52885977
>Delver has fallen to Tier 3

This is a dark time for modern.

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Been tweaking a little bit, what do you guys think of this list?

>>52893299
Delver belongs in tier 3 in modern. It's a fucking meme high variance card in the format with Zero consistency, go play legacy if you want to play delver you faggot cuck

>>52893319
How about you calm down you fuckin weirdo

Why has LOTV not been replaced with Death's Shadow for the OP image?

>>52887601
>>52892958
Not playing TitanShift at this point and playing regular Scapeshift is just the worst out of 2 bad choices.

Why are there distribution restrictions that disallow me ordering this product from a store just over the border?

>>52891882

It's kind of ridiculous when you put all the box stacks of games you could buy with the value of a mid-to-upper tier modern deck.

I'm starting to get into modern myself and yes, it's kind of overwhelming trying to build a low cost deck, because yes some of the cards are dirt cheap, but when you get to certain cards like cavern of souls, cards that you usually need a playset to play efficiently, the price just skyrocket.

It basically requires me to wait months until I can actually play competitively because I have to go looking for the pieces of the deck unless I want to pay over 800 bucks for most decks.

>>52893435
Judaism

>>52893435

YOU DON'T DESERVE WIZARDS' PRISTINE BOXES.

THAT COLD HELL CAN ONLY GET SINGLES, LIKE THE DIRT EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD!

>>52891630
>>52891632

As with most decklists on goldfish, that merfolk list is a meme. Check the thread on MTGsalvation if you want actual input on what goes into the deck: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/tier-2-modern/648255-merfolk

>>52893435
You have to go back Juan

>>52885958
>playing
Not yet. Was busy lately. Recently got a $120 UW Spirits deck. Is it a meme deck? Will I be hated?

>brewing
If I ever upgrade, I would consider either going Esper for Fatal Push and Lingering Souls, or Bant for CoCo and Noble Hierarch something else. I am worried about Blood Moon and mana screwing, even with Fetchlands.

>Metagame Thoughts
Local meta plays Infect, Affinity, Tron, RW Prison, Naya Burn, Jund, Dredge, and Ad Nauseam.

What has a good matchup against DSJ?

>>52893656
Knightfall

>>52893683
Ebin

>>52893621

You're not very bright.

>>52893656
U/w control, R/G ponza, other blood moon decks, I can never seem to get a consensus on whether born is actually a good matchup or not

>>52893642
Post the list, but it's almost certainly a meme.

>>52893714
Little over 55% G1 and favored post board. Look up some of kelvin chews articles he talks about the matchup in some detail.

>>52893768
And by born I mean burn

>>52893747
And you're not welcome in my country

>>52893812
Neither are /pol/tards like you but that hasn't stopped any of you inbred faggots, has it?

Now fuck off back to your containment board so the people with triple digit IQs can post in peace.

>>52893812

You assume I'm from some hispanic country based on no evidence of any kind.

You are quite possibly the dumbest poster I've seen today.

>>52891882

All of those board games really made me start to question what exactly I'm doing with my life. My friends don't even play Magic. I get along amicably with the other people at the LGS, but it's not like I'm ever raking in huge prizes at tournaments to justify the costs of using a top-tier deck.

>>52893862
Tell me Pedro what good will your triple digit iq when you're being beheaded by the cartels?

>>52893903
Lmao he even types like a Neanderthal

>>52893903
>Butchering the English language that badly
>Thinking only one person knows you're retarded

>>52893877

Furthermore, as I'm asking about restrictions on ordering from another country, if that country I ordered from happened to be the United States, I would not in fact be in your country in the first place.

It's like you're not able to comprehend the written language.

>>52893903
What good will being American do when you're being shot by some angry, friendzoned white guy?

>>52893960
Lel

>>52893883
It's because that's what people will pay for mtg cards senpai. Also realistically if you already have the staples and the mana bases no deck is really that far of reach, the 2000 dollars I put into modern 5 years ago is worth almost double now. The fact remains is that it's also somewhat budget friendly. I've seen mono red goblins win fnms, which is the majority of what people play at this time. And I have seen 3000 dollar legacy decks go 0-4, so money isn't everything. Shit I've spent 15000 on my snowmobile and another 60k on my boat over the last few years and I probably couldn't get half that for them now. MTG cards hold their value pretty well, a used mint card that's been used for 10 years is probably worth 10 times what it was back then. Getting into it right now, yeah that's expensive, but so is every other hobby. It comes down to what you enjoy.

If I play Tidehollow Sculler and flash in Resto on the Sculler in response to its ETB, does that exile the opponent's card permanently?

>>52894000
>Shit I've spent 15000 on my snowmobile and another 60k on my boat
>still posting on 4chan

lol wow you are a loser

>>52894066
Pretty sure it does since I know that works with flickerwisp.

>>52894066
I don't think so, the wording is "when it leaves play" so blinking it should return the exiled card

>>52894066
Just Wasteland Strangler it senpai. Turn 2 Sculler into Turn 3 Strangler makes me nut

>>52894106
He does it in response to the ETB that takes a card putting the leaves the battle field on the stack and another etb.

One card gets permanently exiled and one is normally done.

>>52894200
Oh i misread that would work

>>52894066
To answer your question because people here are retarded as fuck, yes it gets exiled permanently since it follows the old Oring formatting and not the nu-magic one of it being 1 single trigger.

So i pulled "force of will" masterpiece at the pre release on saturday... im thinking of selling... where to go? My card is currently on ebay for £180

>>52894370
Sell on eBay

If I repeatedly blink Flickerwisp to exile my opponents board and also some of my own stuff, can stack the triggers so that my stuff comes back first, then Sundial to exile all the return triggers for my opponent's stuff?

>>52894370
Be sure to get a tracking number, and don't put it in a standard envelope.

>>52894543
Ita on ebay for £180, will be sent first class signed for and ill get the tracking number and send in a bubble wrap envelope... as well as toploader, sleeves etc

>>52893787
4 Serum Visions
4 Mausoleum Wanderer
4 Rattlechains
4 Selfless Spirit
4 Drogskol Captain
4 Spell Queller
4 Vapor Snag
4 Mana Leak
2 Negate
2 Unsubstantiate
2 Condemn
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Island
2 Moorland Haunt
4 Plains
3 Port Town
2 Hallowed Fountain
2 Temple of Enlightenment
2 Windswept Heath

2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Dispel
2 Unsubstantiate
2 Disenchant
2 Negate
1 Azorius Herald
2 Eidolon of Rhetoric


The store didn't have Kamis for fogging or to hate on Affinity.

>>52887117
>playtesting against retards

For what purpose

>>52893412
Is titanshift just better then control variants of scapeshift?

>>52893656
Burn is great post sb. First game is usually like 50/50

>>52894919
Right now, yes by a tier and a half. Control/BTL scapeshift hasn't been a force to reckon with since the inception of the format.

>>52886577
Terminus was the correct card to ban: It'd severely hurt Miracles without killing it. Also, blue clearly needs a buff in modern.

>>52886005
I hope it contains 4 Deathrite Shaman, because by god is that card going to dominate the format now.

>>52894973
Shit, I always wanted to play the control version.. well I will get the pieces to it so I will have it when it becomes good again

>>52895000
Ban Monastery Mentor you dumbshit. Angel tokens are all CMC0 and have the same name. Engineered Explosives, Maelstrom Pulse, lots of cards can deal with tokens. Not to mention that lots of decks had lots of tricks to use against Entreat. With the reveal trigger on the stack your opponent could Vial in a Thalia, Stifle the trigger, or Kommand you to discard it. Mentor even survives your own Terminus if it comes down to that.

Mentor was the correct ban if any.

>>52895070
They share a lot of pieces (like 70% or so), if anything the control version is way more expensive so I would I suggest you pick up the Titans now since they are on the cheap.

Also I wouldn't hold out hope for BTL climbing the tiers again, hell even when the deck was the hypest with the printing and testing of Bring To Light all it did was briefly bump the deck up to tier 2.5 and the format has only gotten faster and more brutal since. Even if it does miraculously reach tier 1/2 we know for a fact it's on Wizard's radar since they dislike the combo/interaction like the good fags they are.

>>52895096
You have clearly never played with or against the deck and probably legacy in general but here you are talking about shit you know nothing about. If you have played with or against Miracles before Mentor was you would know that Mentor was a card that helped cut at least 20% or so of the decks playtime, which was one of the reasons cited as to why Top was banned.

If you think that current Miracles were snoozefests that took for fucking ever to end then you haven't played against the version where Entreat was the only wincon. I agree with that other anon, terminus should have been the card to go it was the biggest reason why creature heavy decks (especially delver) never stood a chance even if they get a strong start. Banning top outright kills the deck and takes out an other handful of decks that used top as a central piece like 12post and Doomsday.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=oL9jA3CKBDY

>The Professor actually says some real shit, and makes sense for once.

>>52894666
>No path
Wtf?

>>52892544
OK /tg/ so what match ups are unfavorable and how what can we do to improve them.

Tron and eldrazi are bad so do we just go heavy on land destruction? What else?

>>52895260
Memes aside, I've never really had an issue with the guy. A little weird sure, but he seems fine.

>>52894666

You need paths and maybe one or two geists.

>>52895247
Do I have to post a picture of my Miracles deck spread out on my desk or something? Banning Terminus is as good as banning Top. What exactly are you Miracling in now? The deck barely runs Entreat anymore, and without Terminus you're basically just running Countertop control, which nobody anywhere ran. Protip, nobody is going to magically branch out and play other control decks now that Miracles is gone, all that will happen is control will die. Once again Wizards has created a format where creature decks dominate.

Mentor is far more awkward to deal with than Entreat, which combined with it ending the game faster, just made the deck better.

Either way I hope you're reading for Wizards to start playing whack-a-mole with Legacy, because they're gonna have to ban Deathrite Shaman soon.

>>52894666
Lose the Leaks and Negates. Add a playset of Paths, and find room for Remands and maybe Spell Pierces. Also, you want Geist of Saint Traft.

>>52894666
In addition the other anon's suggestions, I would advise you to cut unsubstantiate.

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>>52895640

True. Unsubstantiate is fine for standard, but not here.


also pic related

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>>52895797
Silence is also an underrated gem for W. I'm really not sure why it doesn't see play in UW control lists.

>>52895271
Gotta go budget. Condemn is pretty good against Death's Shadow.

>>52895430
Maybe I'll run more Condemn, then gradually upgrade to Path.
If you're talking about Geist of Saint Traft, I honestly prefer one of my 3-drop slots to be an evasive lord such as Drogskol to pump up and protect my team instead of a self-protecting bogle with a stand.

>>52895577
I like disruption, but I'll consider upgrading counters and swapping some of it with removal.

>>52895640
I'll consider upgrading once I get better with the deck. No use in wasting money if I'm not going to play it.
Also Unsubstantiate hits creatures because I don't have Path yet.

>>52895260

I remember looking through the comments of his Mind vs. Might review and I was blown away at just how many people were desperately attacking him for daring to suggest the product have cards of actual value in them. Are there really that many """investors"""?

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>>52895260
>15 minutes to explain why his meme deck costs $935
wew lad

>>52895993
The issue is that counters are bad in Modern. Anything that costs more than 2 CMC is unplayable (unless it's Cryptic), and anything that costs more than 1 has to be able to hit everything.

>>52896103
>The only universal 1 mana counterspell in Modern is white

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>>52895260
>Now that I have no job modern is expensive

>>52896150
Don't remind me anon.

>>52895914
Well I haven't tried it so I guess I can't bash it, but in general it isn't an answer. It buys time but it doesn't help a whole lot if there are creatures on board, it doesn't stop them from attacking. I guess spell heavy decks will be able to instant speed cast something in response while creature heavy decks can jut attack in with their board. In pure control decks you basically only want cards that do three things answer threats, draw cards, end the game. Silence doesn't really do any of those things. Anyways that's my guess, as a U/W player.

>>52896186
He's been saying modern is too expensive for years

>>52896186
If you're not a 1%'er, 1k for a set of 75 pieces of cardboard is expensive period.

>>52896221
Sure, though early game it's potentially a time walk.

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>>52896286
Early game, any piece of removal or counter is potentially a timewalk. Silence is only okay at protecting combos or trying to softlock with Isochron Scepter.

>>52896103
The thing is a lot of my countering and protection is on a stick:
Mausoleum Wanderer=sac against Anger of the Gods and other possible instants and sorceries; may cause opponent to play off-curve
Selfless Spirit=anti-wrath
Rattlechains=protect spirits from targeted removal, flash in others
Spell Queller=eat a spell, even the uncounterable Supreme Verdict
Drogskol Captain=forces targeted removal onto him, can create a hexproof lock if lucky.

I am considering Mana Tithe, which can counter anything early on or if the opponent is tapped out. Plus it's rarely expected.

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>>52896401

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>>52896401
>leave up a basic plains
>opponent taps out

>>52896401
Trust me man, as someone who played full on draw-go control decks back in the day, it just doesn't work in Modern. Unless you're cool with taking a lot of losses, it's best to keep keep your counter magic suite to a minimum, and instead rely on removal (Hard removal like Path, or soft removal like Vapor Snag) and general disruption to control the game. The closest you'll get to successful control is Tempo.

Also, yes, UW Control is making a comeback, but it's almost certainly a flash in the pan.

>>52896486
>Not playing Loam Control with Bicycle lands

>>52896440
Does anyone play that? It looks pretty disruptive in theory, but has anyone ever had success with it? I imagine if the deck is aggressive enough it's essentially a hard counter.

>>52896486
Isn't Spirits tempo?

>>52896504
>playing meme decks
>winning games

Choose one.

>>52896508
Not the list that guy put up, no. His list is like a poor man's UW control.

>>52896543
Bant control with bicycle lands, Loam, and Deprive as your 2 mana counterspell because it bounces bicycle lands to hand ;^)

>>52896504
What would that even look like? Just UW control with a loam package? Seems slow desu.

>>52896580
>Seems slow
Well no fucking shit.

>>52896275
Lmao. Ok poorfag

>>52896508
>Does anyone play that? It looks pretty disruptive in theory, but has anyone ever had success with it? I imagine if the deck is aggressive enough it's essentially a hard counter.

I run it in merfolk and it goes fine, I would assume that it does even better in spirits as it gives you the time to draw into quareller/rattlechains etc or just to basically bounce back their threat for 3 turns as you kill them.

>>52896508
Most people like to pull the meme that it "just gives them the card three turns later for free", totally disregarding that the game is probably over either way by turn 5+.

>>52896604
That being said, I'm not sure I agree with a 2 CMC counter in Merfolk. Before you say anything, yes I Merfolk.

>>52896666
>a 2 CMC counter in Merfolk

You never ran negate?

>>52895460
>Banning Terminus is as good as banning Top. What exactly are you Miracling in now?
The exactly the point you donut, you kill miracles (or seriously underpower them) without fucking over other SDT decks
>basically just running Countertop control, which nobody anywhere ran.
They did before miracles were a thing, Countertop has been a thing (not an amazing thing mind you) since the cards were printed.
>because they're gonna have to ban Deathrite Shaman soon.
They have opened the floodgates, that's for sure. It's clear they have a hateboner for non-creature heavy decks like miracles so we will see if they will ban a card is both a creature and incentivizes creature heavy decks. One thing is for sure, Legacy is now in the same shitpile as Modern when it comes to bannings and I honestly expect them to ban the most popular deck every year or so like how the fags do for modern.

>>52896909
Pls just go

>>52896871
No, never. I considered it early on, but at this point the only counter I run is a pair of Spell Pierce. And I guess if you want to count Cursecatcher, it's there too.

I've also got a pair of Chalices in the side, but I don't really count that as counter magic.

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>tfw I play burn in modern, pauper, and legacy

>>52896033
>Are there really that many """investors"""?
Just fucking fanboys that attack anyone who dares criticize poor Wizards or call them out on their regular bullshit. The actual amount of investors, especially the kind that speculate on individual cards as opposed to sealed product, is pretty much infinitesimal

>>52896999

If you played Dredge, you could play it in Modern, Legacy, AND Vintage! Now that's value.

>>52896999
To be fair, the deck is like 80% the same between all of those formats.

Magic really isnt that expensive unless you are an extreme poorfag. Once you have the decks they are yours for life. Also dont be a fag and play stupid combos like Amulet Titan that everyone knew would be banned.
Video games are nearly just as expensive as Magic. A new console + 5 Deluxe Games is just as much as Deaths Shadow Jund, and even the games I view as A+ games like Dark Souls 3 only gave me about 72 hours of actual playtime excluding the occasional PVP match, same goes for a lot of shooters which will give between 5-10 days of play depending on how into it you are. Point is entertainment in general is expensive.

>>52896186

>Fucking shitty adjunct professor job
>Paying better than patreon goybucks AND a sponsorship from a big magic site.

Fucking

lmao

This nigg makes absolute bank, not to mention that he could justifiably write magic cards off on his taxes if he really wanted to.

>>52885958
uum, for creature removal in white decks should i look to get PoE or swords to plowshares if thats a competitive card?

>>52885977
>death and taxes

that sounds fun, how much is that deck

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>>52897068
>Once you have the decks they are yours for life

>>52897089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ya8SSbs_L4

>>52897089
Yes bans happen but the core of Miracles is still worth a lot, Entreat and Terminus were never more then $10 anyways. Also I recommend to everyone that they do not buy the best deck in a format pick something good thats always there but never at the top.

>>52897137
Elves players sweating bullets right now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39697277

>Executives said the decline in operating profit was due to higher expenses, a shift in product mix, and falling revenue from the Magic: The Gathering products.

>>52897080
>>that sounds fun, how much is that deck
500-800 depending on the version

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>>52897172
It's cause the autists at Hasbro are killing the game. They're so nearsighted, gotta get that increase every quarter every quarter every quarter any loss and they lose their shit. Obviously no ones buying magic cards right now, standard is fucking garbage and the return to sets have been meh. Maybe they'll finally fire some of these fucking retards.

>>52897208
oh jesus. thats pricey
I'll have to look for a deck that wont completely fuck my wallet

also im assuming that the best white removal card is Path of exile?

>>52897238
I can only hope they give MaRo and his cuckboys the boot.

>>52897263
Almost. The best source of white removal is probably political correctness

>>52897263
Yes, Path to Exile is the best white removal spell since Swords to Plowshares.

>>52897263
>>also im assuming that the best white removal card is Path of exile?
Ye. Must have for the main or side board.
Friend if you think 500 is a lot for a decent deck I suggest you look elsewhere, because that is the low point of entry for the format.

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>>52897279
Fuggin sick maym to be h

>>52897263
Swords to Plowshares isn't legal in this format, so yes. Path is the premium white removal spell.

>I'll have to look for a deck that wont completely fuck my wallet
You might be in the wrong format friendo. The median price for a deck in this format is around $900 or so. A budget deck will probably run you about $100.

>>52897263
The best way to enter modern is to buy yourself fetches and schocks first since they're usually cost the most.

Then care about the rest of the cards.

>>52897328

>The best way to enter modern is to buy yourself fetches and schocks first since they're usually cost the most.

A full playset of all 20 cards or just the ones for the deck you want?

>>52897355
That anon is a retard. Just get the shit you need for the deck you want.

>>52897289
>>52897293
alright i'll pick some of this card up

>>52897323
yea max im willing to spend is $400 but i would prefer not to be close/going over the limit. i did see some 4 color saheeli rai deck im interested in getting ahold of

>>52897328
i might be getting a box of magic cards from my friend soon, i had a little foldable thing with shards of alara in it, the only cards i can remember from that box was talon of pain and this one big hulking bastard that had a thing where u sacrifice ur creature to have it gain more power

>>52897328
I'd reverse it. Buy the cheap shell first, then fill it with the expensive stuff.

>>52896666
Thanks, Satan. I'll consider experimenting with Delay and Spell Pierce if I can find it.

Now that I think about it, were you making a pun with >>52896440, since "delay" and "retard" are synonyms?

>>52897394
>i did see some 4 color saheeli rai deck im interested in getting ahold of
Wrong thread, that is standard.

>>52897364
Plz enlighten me how am I retarded for saying the truth you cum guzzling faggot.

>>52897399
>I got quads

Holy shit I didn't even notice. This is the happiest day of my life. And nah, >>52896440 wasn't me.

>>52897407
>cum guzzling faggot

I'm not ur dad m80. And suggesting someone drop thousands of dollars for card they're probably not going to use is fucking stupid. Just get the fetches/shocks you need as you need them.

>>52897402
right, sorry. i'll have to hunt down the modern website

all i have to do is work out what the name of the card with the one hulking bastard on it

it was a green card but besides that i cant remember what it is

>>52897456
>probably not going to use

Yeah totally, unless you build tron.

So let me repeat myself. How am I wrong you cum guzzling retard.

>>52897485
>YEAH BUT YOU'LL USE THEM IF YOU BUILD A DECK THAT NEEDS THEM!!!!!!!11111111111

What's it like having a sub-90 IQ?

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>>52897466
found what it was

>pic related

>>52897528
I dunno, you tell me.

>>52897562
So you don't have an actual argument then, got it.

>>52897582
Neither did you, but I appreciate the effort.

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>>52897399
>Now that I think about it, were you making a pun with >>52896440 (You), since "delay" and "retard" are synonyms?

It's even better than that, just get an hold of the french card.

>>52897740
Fuck i need a playset of that

>>52896508
Actual Spirits decks are tempo yes, however that was not an actual spirits deck.

>>52886200
chinaman

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>>52897859
that would be the opposite friend

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>>52886491
>>52886477
>tron plays oblivion stone

>>52891047
UW control.
Because that's going to be your face every time they ask if a spell resolves.

>>52895260

Just like some other people wrote. The stacks of games really tapped my neurons. I feel more and more burned out by the rising prices of playable cards.
I feel like price inflation and price memory got worse. Premium sets cement the inflated prices instead of dealing with them. Why would anyone take less for his Snapcaster, than what he payed for? Why would anyone sell their Snapcasters under the current price with it being a mythic now in a set with 200 bucks a box?

I mean it is nothing new, but I got a job and have the money to spend. It is not even, that I am not willing to spend hundreds on entertainment. It is just, that I get much better and much more entertainment for my money elsewhere now.

I am aware of cards holding value and unlike other forms of entertainment you can always sell them to get your money back. But as of now too many playable cards require such a high upfront investment, that could easily turn to a huge loss because of a banning or a suprise reprint, that the risk is just too high for me.

For some weeks now I am selling all staples above a certain threshold. I feel like some sort of bubble has to burst and I don't want to be in it, when it happens.

>>52897904
>having bad chinas

>>52898011
Realistically speaking it's not worth it, these cards cost maybe 50 cents to make including the costs to pay artists for the art and it's pure artificial scarcity, I don't even know how it reached this point.

For new players getting into the game
Keep in mind that Merfolk or other decks like it may be on the lower end for entry into the format but the cards in those kinds of decks usually are not used very many other places. Jund for example is expensive because it uses a lot of cards that are used in a lot of other decks.

Magic rewards the patient. You don't have to play a tier 1 deck today. build something fun and slowly buy the staples you can afford as you are able. I got in the game about 2 years ago and am now at a point where I've almost finished 3 tier 1 decks but I played a lot of fun stuff like Kiki Chord along the way.

>>52898043
(((Investors))) and people not voting with their wallets.

>>52898058
While stuff like Merfolk, Dredge, D&T has stuff that isn't used in other modern decks it is worth noting that they are transferable to other formats. Dredge is actually insane value in that regard because it's not going to cost much to transfer to legacy and in proxy vintage I'm pretty sure it's the cheapest deck in the format.

How do I protect my graveyard while I play dredge bros?

>>52898141

You don't, you t1 neonate dredge imp 4x amalgam 1x narcomoeba

>>52898141
Hand disruption, artifact / enchantment destruction.

>>52898187

surgical amalgam in response to trigger

>>52898231

I guess btfo then

>>52897032
Damn, u rite
>>52897060
And yea, that's why I like it. It'll never be banned, and it's pretty great. Maybe not in legacy but oh whale

>>52885977
>Grishoalbrand tier 3
Darn

We should organize decks by how fun they are because that deck would be tier 0

>Play good creatures with cycling
>Moorland Haunt as your win condition
MEMES

>>52898377
I would really prefer just casting living end

>>52898377

>worse living end
>expensive
>slow
>worst colors

you literally just insulted this thread with your post

>>52898407
>>52898400
You say this like Living End runs permission and card advantage.

>>52898422
It doesn't need to. Those things are much worse than flooding the board with fatties

>>52898422

And you expect to what, cycle into your permission? do you think you're gonna have mana for cycling and early permission? how do you plan on answering things that were resolved? living end could work. oh, and that would even get you the 4-6 power cyclers you dumped, over a 1/1 for 3 mana a piece.

>>52888329
Neat idea with the renegades, I'd like to see how they play out. I've also thought about the Dungrove Elders myself but I feel like Aspect of Hydra is too good not to run 3 of and capitalize on, at least with my experience playing stompy.

>>52897279
I ain't even mad that was dope

>>52898484
I expect to have cycle as a way to spend my mana if I don't need to cast the permission in my hand.

>>52898586
Your idea is very poor

>>52898608
>He doesn't want to make Bant Sojourners into a top tier card!

>>52886963
Fucking thiiiiis

>>52897904
>people actually pay money for fakes this bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2EfcYZbxU8

Is he right fellow fa/tg/uys? Personally I think Des nailed it right on the head in regards to modern.

>>52895135
How does Splendid Valakut compare to scapeshift? It did just (potentially) get the bicycle lands.

>>52899251
>desolator

This dude legitimately doesn't have slightest idea about magic.

He talks shit just for controversy because it keeps getting him views, avoid.

And to top it of he's seriously bad.

>>52899380
All of his points are right though. I'd like to see any of the scrubs here even attempt to refute his points.

>>52899433
Fuck off with your shit bait, moron

>>52899474
>I don't have an argument so it's bait

So glad to see that netdecker fucks like you can't argue against des. He actually made some very good and informed points about modern but you retards refuse to acknowledge them.

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So in the end this card did nothing for modern tokens?

>>52899340
>Splendid Valakut
meme. Unproven and the meta right now is big on grave hate meaning you are inherently weak even before starting the game.

>>52885958
Hey how big a deal do you guys think the cycle lands are going to be?

Should I pick them up now while they are cheap because they are as big as the Ravnica dual lands?
Or meh: Pick them up as I need because they are going to hover around where their at for a long time?

>>52899602
Not enough to make the deck not mediocre

>>52899723
They are weak and if they see play it will be in Loam build, so get that but it spiked to around 20 bucks when the cycle lands were spoiled. I don't know, the 2 mana cost kinda kills it for me and Loam is my favorite card. They should have costed a hybrid mana.

>>52899653
graveyard hate makes sense because living end got new toys.

>>52899799
graveyard hate makes sense because Dredge is the second best deck of the format newfag.

>>52885977
>Zoo nowhere to be found

Fml

>>52899568
According to des everyone who plays a deck that can consistently win is a netdecker.

Fuck of

>>52899568
Listen you faggot, giving (you)s is enough, we're not giving you views on your shitty channel, so if you want to argue post the tl;dr.

Why don't they use supplemental sets to reprint cards that are crazy expensive? Why not make a Karn Commander Deck?

Instead of giving money to the secondary market, we'd be giving money to Wizards

>>52899964
Delete your post right now

>>52900046
Limited print runs of staple cards at mythic (like goyf) drop the price but not enough

This format needs first-hand promotion through cost reduction

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>>52899964
Because wizards sells an enormous amount of booster boxes to resellers like star city games but they don't sell most of the boxes, they open them and sell the singles, the boxes sold to the consumers are a very little amount of what are opened for the secondary market, now image what happens to wizards when they print the cards everyone wants in booster boxes that cost more than twice the normal.

>>52900058
Because wizards don't actually want people to play modern. They could easily reprint fetches (the biggest barrier to entry to modern) in a supplementary set like commander or even duel decks, but they don't. They want people to play standard, and they know that if they give people the option, everyone would much rather play modern.

>>52900127
They want people to play Standard, except they clearly don't.

>>52900117
Sure. But it's not like theyre making any money by not reprinting those kinds of cards

>>52900237
But if they reprint them in products where you have a 100% chance of getting them and that is cheaper to buy (like a commander deck as opposed to a booster box) then they get less money overall for obvious reasons.

Keep also in mind that not all rares and mythics are printed "equally" some have more prints and some less.

>Land (23)
1x Breeding Pool
4x Flooded Strand
2x Ghost Quarter
1x Hallowed Fountain
4x Irrigated Farmland
3x Island
4x Misty Rainforest
2x Moorland Haunt
1x Scattered Groves
1x Temple Garden
>Instant (22)
1x Bant Charm
4x Cryptic Command
2x Deprive
2x Logic Knot
4x Mana Leak
2x Negate
4x Path to Exile
1x Spell Snare
2x Sphinx's Revelation
>Creature (11)
4x Bant Sojourners
4x Curator of Mysteries
3x Snapcaster Mage
>Sorcery (4)
1x Life from the Loam
3x Supreme Verdict

It checks out.

>>52900338
>Bant charm
Why?

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>>52900338
so uhhh, how do you feel knowing that you made an entire deck to accomplish slower and much more poorly the same thing that one card does
>6 mana for two 1/1s only half of which flys

>>52900338
>2x Deprive
>2x Logic Knot
>4x Mana Leak
>2x Negate
This is way, way too many counters. You want 4 or 5 two mana counters MAX

>>52895260
Fucking finally someone has the stones to say it. This is the glorious bit about Patreon, it makes it so much fucking harder for Wizards to buy him unlike Marshall. Or LSV what with being a partner in ChannelFireball.

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>>52900411
His are instant speed, though

A better comparison is this

>>52900421
I was kinda just jamming them in at the end.

>>52900411
Oh fuck you got me, there are better ways to generate 1/1 spirits in Modern than Moorland Haunt. Damn, why did I make a deck that exists to make 1/1 spirits and not remember that Lingering Souls exists.