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Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing and Star Wars: Armada Miniatures Games
>http://pastebin.com/Wca6HvBB

Fantasy Flight Games’ Star Wars RPG System (EotE/AoR/FaD)
>http://pastebin.com/wCRBdus6
>https://mega.nz/#!DkNTDTyZ!PUupCOep4RmRcsgI3rNhU_Pk_xcyFbYWnhrq8gwrVv0

Shipfag's Starship Combat Fixes for EotE/AoR/FaD
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/y9w713etmckbs98/Shipfag.JPG

Other Fantasy Flight Games Star Wars Tabletop (Imperial Assault, Star Wars: Destiny and the Star Wars LCG)
>http://pastebin.com/ZE4gn0yN

Fantasy Flight Games Dice App (Works with X-Wing, Armada, the Star Wars RPG system and Imperial Assault)
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/64xy3uy6vepll8v/com.fantasyflightgames.swdice.ver.1.1.4.build.9.apk

Older Star Wars Tabletop (d6, d20/Saga, etc.)
>http://pastebin.com/wXP0LdyJ

Reference Materials & Misc. Resources
>http://pastebin.com/AGFFkSin

All Canon Novels and Comics (via /co/)
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!2R5kDTqQ!WfrDla-jvDIn05U57T9hhQ

Just What IS Canon Anyways?
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#2014_reboot
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media

The Clone Wars Viewing Guide
>http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1442/36/1442364889994.png

Writefaggotry
>http://pastebin.com/cJY5FK9T

Shipfag's hangar
>https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByhAdnTlOKOeQnA4SFByUC1aQWM&usp=sharing

Heroes of the Aturi Cluster, co-op X-Wing campaign
>http://dockingbay416.com/campaign
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/SWG/ Bingo V2.1
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>>52881248
>strang and the stormcommandos and the conqueror

Talk about wasted potential.
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Third for my boyfriend
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>>52881261
>No epic Tarkin and Motti vs Krennic roasts
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My current party has been having a blast with my entirely combat oriented space shoot-em-up adventures, but now I need to switch things up and go a bit more subtle: more opportunities for diplomacy and non-combat options.

One of my players read Jedi Twilight and now everyone is keen on being private investigators/scammers and such in the Coruscant undercity.

My question is, what kind of adventures can I run in which combat is only the odd incidental event? What would you use for a "clmax/boss battle" that doesn;t revolve directly around combat?
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>>52882726
A chase or racing to intercept somebody or some cargo before it gets away are good ones
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>>52882726
Tracking down and countering a skilled team of thieves on a spree. Defusing a conflict between two gang families before it erupts into a war.

Both these instances, combat doesn't happen much, as they shouldn't make contact with the thieves until the very end, and attacking the gangs will escalate the conflict.
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Force and Destiny game pitch: A Jedi/ex-padawan who survived the purges is trying to gather up enough force users from the last 19 years to start his own temple while evading the ISB. Players would be various students who over that timeline they've recruited. Game would be about learning from him, plundering temples before the Empire does, and keeping on the down low while dealing with the Jedi and their own issues.
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>>52881248

How would you stat the Pyschlos from Battlefield Earth? I just rewatched it the other night, and I actually find them kind of interesting, in a comical sense.
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>>52883827
Sounds pretty groovy
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>>52883827
Is he bald and in a wheelchair?
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Wave 11 pre-release articles when?
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>>52884543
No be that would be pretty groovy
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>>52881248
So i'm trying to make a list, and I'm not sure how to spend the last 3 points.

I am running Howlrunner, 3 Black Cracks, and ATC/Engine Vader.

That gives me 3 points left for EPT's on Vader and Howl.

Howl can potentially use Juke, Crack, or Adapt.

Vader can potentially use Predator, Lone Wolf, Juke, Crack, VI, Trick Shot, and Adapt.

What would be best for dealing with common meta lists?
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I think I'm getting the hang of the rules for Armada but I have some questions.
I'm looking at the rules on page 15, lets say there's a dozen x wing squadrons in the same firing arc and withing blue die range of your Victory 2 Star Destroy and seeing the V2SD's Anti Squadron Attack die is 1 blue die, can he still attack all one dozen swing squadrons once? or am I just reading this horribly wrong.
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>>52884852
Yep, you declare you're firing your anti squadron armament from a certain arc, and can then have it target each squadron in that arc once.
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>>52884798
I'd run adapt on howl and predator on vader
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>>52884891
Thanks for clearing that up, another question. I understand that you want to keep bomber squadrons away from your ships so you tie (hue) them up with your Ties by engaging them. Now for my question is can engaged ships choose to disengage whenever they want or at all? I'm not finding anything on this on the rules other than "An engaged squadron cannot move." So they're just tied up until they win the dog fight or die?
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>>52881248
Does Empire have a powerful ace in the 38-40 point range?

I normally run 5 Omega Squadrons with Weapons Guidance and Crack Shot, but I'd like an ace for more late-game survivability Normally, I would run something like Ryad, but that leaves me with a whopping 4 points leftover.

I could put in Rexler, but he's already good at bullying low-agility ships, and that's what the TIEs are good at eating.

I could put in Intel Whisper (Can't afford Kallus...), but then I don't have an initiative bid, which phantoms need.

I could put in Prockets+Pred/Lone Wolf Vader, but that's no TLT spam resistance.

a Fat Quickdraw is an option, for a different variety of late-game survivability (opponents don't want to shoot QD sometime)

An Upsilon would let me go the other way and have a better alpha (Run Dormitz +Hux, but Dormitz+Hux+hyperwave is 37, and that's 1 point too much to afford FCS+Pattern.)

a Palp carrier isn't really an option, as my ships are all 2 attack.

Thoughts on what works well for empire in that range?
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Trioculus-

Crew, 1 point, Empire only.

During the Place Forces step, place 3 focus tokens on Trioculus.

At the start of the combat phase, you may remove one or more focus tokens on Trioculus and assign them to a friendly ship at range 3.


Or

Crew, 3 points, empire only-

Once per turn, when an enemy ship at range 1-3 rolls a focus result when attacking or defending, you may assign them 1 stress token.
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>>52884970
there are a few ways that a dogfight can be broken up either by their view being obstructed by an obstacle or a ship running into them and the fight being broken up by the person placing squadrons. In the core set, yeah once a fighter is engaged its stuck there until all its enemies are taken down and it is no longer engaged or it dies.

It is worth keeping in mind once you get out of the core book things get a little bit more complicated. There are certain squadrons that don't follow that rule (some are heavy, which means that while they become engaged they don't prevent the enemy from moving away from them, and some squadrons have auras that make enemy squadrons heavy, letting you bypass them) but for right now the simplest way to understand it is exactly how you have it worked out.
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>>52884948
I'm not sure if the lack of Crack on Vader/Howl is worth it though. I really need as much of a powerful initial joust as possible.

While aside from LW, Predator is what I'd most have on a late-game vader (as LW will never trigger if the swarm is still alive), Crack shot is almost effectively 'Deal an extra damage once a game'
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>>52885167
Run twin cracks? That would make your joust top.
And play under a point
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>>52884798
I'd probably go crack on Howl and LW on Vader. More pew pew and some extra survivability for Vader.

>>52884985
QD just skews your towards offense, which is fine by me. People fear the revenge shot.

>>52885134
I support this. Dark Greetings.
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>>52885198
then the issue is that once the cracks are spent, I have shit late game ability with Vader.

>>52884985
Consider Baffle on the shuttle- it's a bit jankier, but it's a shitload cheaper.

Baffle+Pattern, or Col det+pattern+ intel agent
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>>52885267
Would you run Vader away from Howl and the gang to start, or would you run close to them and use Howl as a source of Rerolls?
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>>52885267
Since you are an apparent expert on Quickdraw, what do you think of this build?

Quickdraw- LWF, Advanced Sensors, Predator, Sensor Cluster-39.

It's expensive, but it can do some silly shit in movement and is fairly action-independent.

Or would something like FCS+Pattern+Title+LWF and EPT of choice (DTF? Lone Wolf? VI? Snap Shot? Expertise? )

Or maybe go full jank with Baffle+PTL?
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>>52885285
LW you want to run solo to get those sweet re-rolls. If you want to run Vader close, do adapt for that PS10 arc dodging.

>>52885357
QD is so fuckin baller I think you have to try really hard to build her poorly. My default is FCS, LWF, Pattern, and Crack, but you can do so much with her.

The only thing I don't like is Baffle or abs self-damaging build. A huge strength of QD is the double tap and threat of revenge. People won't shoot her just to avoid double tapping so she gets free reign to maul stuff.
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>>52885437
The issue with crack on QD is that it's a 36 point build, and i'm looking at using it to replace 2 20 point ships.

Is the 4 point initiative bid worth it? Or do I slap some more expensive stuff on it?

I'm mostly trying to think of what would pair well with those 3 Omegas with Crack.

I have run DTF on standard quickdraw (FCS, Pattern, LWF, Title) with 3 Black Cracks and Crack Howl before, but since the TIE/FOs have shields, DTF is less useful.

Or would Rexler+Expertise be a better use of 40 points?
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>>52883949
>Brawn 3, Agility 2, Intellect 1, Cunning 1, Willpower 3, Presence 2, because they're intimidating, but dumb as goddamn bricks
>Sil 2 because giants
>Require life support in oxygen environments
>Some bonus to Coercion checks
>75-90ish XP
Just spitballing here.
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>>52885601
You could do homing missile QD, swapping LWF for chips.
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>>52885357
>>52885437
>>52885601
>>52885882

Quickdraw is quickly becoming a high-caliber XWM waifu, as befits a true ace of PS9, and one in such a versatile and potent frame as the TIE/SF.

When do we start making shit up about her to suit her status as a waifu? All we know is she's a great pilot, a fast shot, and a woman. And FO, too. Is she aryan? A ginger? Does she have a scar? Is she as good with blasters as with regular weapons> What's her backseater like? Is it actually both of them on the card "Quick" and "Draw"? When do we commission custom art of Quickdraw?
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>>52884744
Not for another6 weeks at least. They won't be out before Gen Con, and they aren't even listed on the product page.

>>52884798
>>52884948
This. Predator is insanely good utility on Vader.

Other alternative is juke on howl and VI on Vader.

>>52884985
Imperials have viable good ships at literally every price point, from 12-60+.

I've picked up on a few of them. Prockets Vader is scary stuff.

Quickdraw with Expertise, FCS, title, sensor cluster, and LWF is also a solid 39 point ship.

I'll also throw out Ryad with Expertise, TB, /D, and Mk.II. You have a lot of two attacks and making them count for more with reduced agility would work against a lot of things, especially low agility Rebels.
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>>52886162
Would Vessery make more sense than Ryad? I can afford it (sans mk2), and I can have one of the TIEs paint a target for him.
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>>52881261
Dark Greetings
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>>52886296
I like Ryad because she can do a green k-turn to lose a stress and keep expertise going. Vessery would be good too, but then I'd take VI and an ion cannon.
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Slow-ass thread.

can an empire apologist or antifa-g come in and start a shitstorm to get posting going and bumping active?
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>>52887497
How about some shipfus ?
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>>52888727
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Best fighter needs to be made canon. Also Xwing fags need not apply.
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>>52887497
Muh Emperor
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>>52889903
But... muh democracy
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>>52890170
Democracy hasn't gotten us anywhere
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>>52889668
Honestly, I was hoping that they'd make the mil'tyl for xwm at some point.
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What would be the largest capital ships in even semi-common use by pirates in say 5-7ABY (Legends)?
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>>52890935
Probably a Nebulon B
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>>52890935
Outside of the big crime syndicates, I'd say corvettes. Something CR90-sized. Maybe the occasional upgunned bulk freighter.
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>>52881248

I'm sad guys. I really wanna play one of the FFG games but our group is busy as hell as late (not to mention in D&D hell).
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x-wing needs this for the empire
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>>52890935
Perhaps the maurauder class frigate or maybe even an old acclimator class redone like a reaver/mad max space knife.
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>>52891704
>Eta-2
>Costs almost as much as a TIE Defender
>For only slightly better performance than a TIE Interceptor
>Have to reprint many of the existing astromech cards to say "Rebel/Resistance only"
Seems like more hassle than it's worth. The TIE Interceptor already fills its niche.
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>>52891704
>Implying it wont go to rebels as a refit, like the ARC170
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>>52891704
I don't even play Armada and I want the Venator in it.
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>>52891850
Perfect time to introduce the Imperial Astromech slot! Also slap one on the Nimbus V-Wing.
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>>52888727
I need a ship that can go interstellar with a crew of no more than 15, and carry a bit of cargo.
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>>52892095
I couldn't find stats on crew size for this ship, though?
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>>52891704
Aethersprites are nicer
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>>52892125
>Implying Delta-7s wouldn't be Rebel
>Implying we wouldn't have a Delta-7 Wedge Antilles card
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I used some french site through my phone so I couldn't adjust the points cost. Not that the rest is balanced anyways.
>>52891850
Just add a "Prototype Astromech" card type or something.
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>>52892136
I'd fill my pants with cum so fast
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>>52891850
Or we could finally introduce an Imperial astromech upgrade type.

Maybe even mousedroids
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If this image triggers you than you aren't a true Star Wars fan plain and simple.
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>>52891704
>>52892125
>>52892136
>>52892169
>>52892411
>Aethersprite and Actis wave
>Wedge and Vader pilots
How do we make FFG do it?
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>>52892587

Chum has some more wins to make.
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This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
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>>52891907
Venator is a great shipfu. My heart belongs ro Imperial-II, but Imperial is more like "the girl I love", while Venator is "her hot milf mom".
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>>52892570
>I couldn't get people to bite before, so I'll just switch the text completely around this time!

K Y S
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>>52888727
It's a good, solid brick.
How can other ships even compete?
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>>52892570
I want pet Yoda to live in my house and occasionally dispense wisdom.
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>>52892822
It looks like a space dick.
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>>52892822

That's a nice picture of one, too.
Usually you see un-detailed drawn versions which just dont look that great.
That's a sexy beast.

>>52892878
YOU LOOK LIKE A SPACE DICK
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>>52892878
>not wanting to fuck rebel scum or empire fucking shits with your massive space dong.

It's like you hate fun.
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>>52892599
I'm just one man!
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>>52892587
We bombard worlds with it until they capitulate.
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>>52892822
I prefer that beast once someone put her on a diet.
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I admit to my retardation if I'm just not seeing it in the pastebin links but is there a Clone Wars supplement or homebrew for the RPG stuff? And if so where?
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>>52890201
Even when Apologists and Antifa-ggots aren't around, some asshole still has to drag politics in.

You've done it now.
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>>52893702
Not a single person commented until you anon. YOU are the one trying to start this fire.
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>>52881248
Any unofficial splats or guides for running a campaign as empire or clones?
I've always found the guys with blasters to be cooler than the force users.
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>>52887497
>empire apologist
Just now kind of getting into the Star Wars games, what's wrong with liking the empire?
I'm not baiting
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>>52895358
No one's really commenting much on this thread to begin with.

>>52895892
AoR is easy to tweak to an Imperial stance, and there's also an Imperial Duty chart in the Mediafire folder.
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>>52895929
Nothing.

Whenever someone shows up liking the Empire thought it tends to get the post count going, because a lot of people get really angry about it. The same goes when someone posts super-negatively of the Empire or talks about politics.
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>>52895929
Assuming this isn't bait, there's nothing wrong with liking the Imperial aesthetic, ships, characters, etc. Where things go off the rails is the "Empire dindu nuffin" apologia.
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>>52895971
>implying the Empire did anything wrong
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>>52895971
>>52895965
I just like the armor. Really dislike the Rebels' weird helmets.
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>>52895971
There's nothing wrong with thinking the Empire was the good side either.

Yeah it's silly to say they never did anything wrong at all, but saying they were more of the good side, or at the very least the lesser of two evils, isn't really off the rails, bait, or crazytalk.

It's just, like, your opinion, man.
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>>52895939
Thanks.
Has anyone run an empire game before? I'd like to focus less on blasting rebels and more on exploring the outer rim and dealing with the natives/dangerous wildlife.
Or would the empire be more likely to shoot primitive locals?
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>>52896233
Np.
They're fun to do, but you do have to be unique. If it's just about blasting rebels it can get too easy because of how much military power you have on your side, whereas a Rebel campaign is a little scrappier and more desperate.

Their policy on locals will depend on the team, the planet, their mission, and the locals themselves. If it's research, they might at most try to capture a primitive local and study them. Otherwise, co-habitation. Even on Dantooine the Imperials co-existed pretty well with the Danteri, giving the latter food in exchange for guiding the former.

If the locals are violent, negotiation is almost invariably off the table, and shoot first is put in place.
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>>52896306
And sometimes the Imperials just hunt the locals for their blaster resistant hide, it's also very fashionable in the core right now.
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>>52896306
Can non-humans be storm troopers?
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I remember reading that certain animals could be force sensitive and even emit force attacks.
What are some good ideas for wildlife that hunts by using the force?
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>>52896490
Humans and Near-Humans (like Chiss, Zeltrons, Zabrak) can. For completely alien races, it's significantly harder, but not unheard of.
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>>52896512
force-electric eels
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>>52896512
Vornskrs and Yslamiri are good inspiration, Sith warbeasts could work too. The advice I'll give is that the Force allows the impossible to become possible, so get real weird with it.
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>>52896490
Yes, but expect racism if your stationed anywhere near a core world. Even if you're near human.

The higher ups are probably some core worlder who got into the Academy because their Daddy has money.
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>>52896658
Pessimistic view of the Empire you got there.
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>>52892570
Why would this trigger anyone? Yoda was a jedi grandmaster with 800+ years of experience. Why would he not be a an absolute beast with a lightsaber? And please don't complain about him being small when he clearly said size matters not.
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>>52896306
>If it's just about blasting rebels it can get too easy because of how much military power you have on your side, whereas a Rebel campaign is a little scrappier and more desperate.
Depends on what sort of campaign you want to run. Regular stormtrooper legion shit? Yeah, that can get too easy. But I can see Rainbow Six Siege 2: Imperial Commando working as a campaign premise.
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>>52896697
accurate, too!
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>>52896697
Given both Legends and Canon that's how the Empire worked.
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>>52896920
Not really.
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>>52896950
Yeah really dumbass
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>>52896950
but actually, yes.
The Empire has always been a human-first organization. They only even started allowing aliens among their ranks as a last ditch against growing opposition.
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>>52896995
That's not what I'm talking about.

Human-first is anything but pessimistic.
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>>52897018
if you aren't human it is!
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Anyone know where I could find "Imperial Handbook: A Commander's Guide"?

>>52895892
I found an old staline for playing clonetroopers and stormtroopersin the archive:

Br 3
Ag 3
In 2
Cu 2
Wi 2
Pr 1

>skills (remplace career skills):
>Athletics +
Brawl +
Discipline ++
Resilience ++
Vigilance +
Ranged (Light) + (pistols, but also grenades)
Ranged (Heavy) ++
Knowledge (Core Worlds) + (Republic is good, Republic is Life)
>Knowledge (Warfare) ++

Talents :
Indistinguishable (Fett clone) : Nobody can tell you and your brothers apart. On the other hand, it's obvious to anyone that you were a member of the GAR at some point.
Nobody's Fool (when on duty)
Obedient : Upgrade checks twice when trying to resist orders given by a lawful autority.
Specialist : Choose two skills. Those skills become career skills.
Heavy trooper (10xp) : You can use your Ranged (heavy) skill instead of Gunnery to shoot with your issued heavy weapon (Imperial missile launcher, Imperial heavy repeating blaster,...)

>30xp left for character creation.

>Use stormtrooper gear from the adversary section of the books (laminate armor, blaster rifle, grenades, vibroknife, utility belt and stimpacks,...)
>Use careers from AoR. (or give talents as you wish)

>That's for an ordinary Fett clone. For a human stormtrooper with the same amount of training, you just get 2 to all stats and therefore gain 40xp to spend, for a total of 70. Also remove the Indistinguishable talent.

>>52896306
Every sector in the galaxy can't be given high-priority. Trying to manage a subsector with a beaten-down corvette and a handful of stormtroopers would surely be a challenge, especially when your Moff gets angry at the smallest sign of rebel activity and you have to compromise with the local crime lords to stay efficient.
It's a big galaxy, you can run it all the way from space knights in shiny armor to dregs of the empire and soldiers going native, and that's not even taking the good vs. evil spectrum into account.
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Why didn't the prequels make Sheev at least a bit racist?
It's a bit weird that the guy who was surronded by aliens and increased his power thanks to an alien suddenly goes full human supremacist when he becomes Emperor.
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>>52897077
It wouldn't have played well with audiences. Moviegoers don't even like to see Nazis acting racist, could you imagine if they put that shit in a scifi billed to 12 year olds?
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>>52897077
Canon or EU?

Canon, he was never racist, just the main core worlder human population.

EU, he was mentioned to be a Human Supremacist
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>>52897063
Sucks to be them.
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>>52897077
No word from nucanon yet, but in Legends, Palps himself was never human supremacist. The people in his administration were, but Spicy Sheev himself didn't give a damn. Quoth the Wook:

>While the Empire was unquestionably xenophobic, there is little to suggest that the Emperor himself was. The Sith Order was in no way xenophobic, with much of its foundations in the humanoid race of Sith, and many of the greatest Sith Lords were either alien or half-breed, with Sidious' own Sith Master, Darth Plagueis, being a Muun, and his first Sith apprentice, Darth Maul, being a Dathomirian[57] Zabrak[58]. In fact, it is believed that the privy councilors and advisors that filled Palpatine's court and ran the Empire on a day-to-day basis were the xenophobes, and applied Human High Culture on their own accord. In addition, Palpatine denied the accusations of his being intolerant of species indifferences, citing that the Empire's Human population being the majority as simply being the result of circumstance.[59] He also denied being xenophobic in his entry to the Book of Sith.
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>>52897097
Why would the bad guy being a nazi wouldn't have played well with the audiences? Specially when the Empire was pretty much Space Nazi Germany.
And I have never seen anyone complaining about nazis being racist or nazis being in a movie at all.
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>>52897141
The Empire weren't Nazis, though.
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>>52897139
>The Book of Sith
I love that book, it feels like the characters were in an imageboard.
The shitposting done by the people who held the book is great.
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>>52897165
You what m8
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>>52897077
Lucas has problems with "show, don't tell"
Same reason why the Empire isn't shown exterminating Tusken, Javas, Ewoks (notice how those little fuckers had already build anti-walkers traps before the rebels landed) or Owen & Beru, why we don't see that many aliens or women in the Rebellion, no curfew or police brutality on Tatooine or Bespin, or why they added scenes of people on Coruscant rejoicing at the end of VI.
Sheev isn't evil because he's racist; he's racist because he's Evil, and that's what Evil characters do.
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>>52897165
>totalitarian
>Nazi aesthetics
>stormtroopers
>racist
>leader was the Chancellor before rising to power as a dictator
They are not obviously Nazi like the First Order but they share some aspects.
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>>52897198
He's right. That's why the First Order being literal space nazis is so stupid.
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>>52897245
Palps was never racist, though. Not even in Legends.
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>>52897245
>show don't tell
>evil so he does evil

This is how these arguments start. These idiotic arguments with idiots posting on every side.
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>>52897265
It's no that they are space nazis, it's how the director made it so obvious that he wanted them to be space nazis.
No, JJ, we don't need a scene with the First Order soldiers doing a Nazi salute to know they are supposed to be space nazis. Ever heard of subtlety?
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>>52897265
>>52897330
It's stupid, but at least nucanon says that they're the hardline Imperials that even Palps himself thought were too extreme. It does a good job of making sure we know that even the Empire hated these weirdos and their plans to blow up the entire galaxy.
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>>52897345
>even Palps himself thought were too extreme
>The man who was all about unlimited power
>Dark Lord of the Sith
>Too extreme
I don't understand.
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>>52897345
>Palps himself thought were too extreme
Source on that?
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Newish Armada Rebel Armada player here needing some advice.

I am currently on a losing streak against Imperial players in my FLGS. They all play some variation of double ISD, ISD and 2 Gladiators and I am having trouble with having my Nebulon B's getting caught up against the map edge and being quickly dispatched. Any general tips to help prevent this?
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>>52893000
SHEEV AKBAR
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>>52897393
>wanting power makes you evil
>being a sith makes you evil
>makes you an extremist
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>>52897430
Sheev was evil and he loved it anon.
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>>52897430
Sheev was legit evil.
You can have Sith who are just pragmatic and anti-Jedi like Darth BANE but Sheev was a cruel and sadistic fuck (both in Legends and Canon).
It's funny because the guy who enacted Bane's master plan was the kind of Sith that he hated the most.
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>>52897458
as far as legends goes he loved power but honestly believed he was doing the right thing
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>>52897458
He was also the cheekiest cunt in all the galaxy.
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>>52897504
>sadistic

Downplayed in Legends. He embraced power and didn't mind being called evil, but at the end of the day it was his genuine belief that the Empire would be the best thing for the galaxy.

Also theories about him trying to stop the Vong to save trillions of lives, since he was the only one strong enough to do so.

Whether or not that\s true is up to speculation.
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>>52897506
Legends is really contradictory on that.
Some authors portray Sheev was a power-hungry sadistic asshole with no reedeming qualities whatsoever while other authors portray him as a dindu who did all that fucked up shit to prepare the galaxy against the Vong or something.
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>>52897245
>(notice how those little fuckers had already build anti-walkers traps before the rebels landed)

Because the Emps legion of "best troops" didn't clear fucking huge areas of land around their important locations for effective kill zones. Anything else you fill with 1000's of landmines to dissuade anyone else from wandering into the area.
They where there on a junket deployment thinking it was a fucking holiday, jerking their cocks in the fob, you can bet your arse they didn't do much more than send out the odd scouts on patrols, didn't do any work and got fucked hard by stone age, sentient wombats with sharp sticks.

They got everything they deserved
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>>52897581
*as a power-hungry
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>>52897588
Didn't the Empire end up utterly massacreing the Ewok warriors after the initial ambush, along with the Rebel agents on Endor?

I agree that Ewoks to begin with are dumb, but people get the misinterpretation that they somehow stomped all over the Empire. It's a funny meme, but a meme.

After that ambush it went south fast.
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>>52897614
Canon? No.

Maybe in the EU
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>>52897581
Legends is contradictory on almost everything.
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>>52897614
The problem is that that ambush cost the Empire their emperor and a Death Star.
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>>52897614
I like that one Legends comic where a former stormtrooper narrates his times in Endor as if it was fucking Vietnam.
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>>52897669
I mean, Lucas actually equated Endor to Vietnam, that's what makes that comic so funny
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>>52897627
>Canon? No.
After the initial ambush, the Empire did turn the tables and gain the advantage in RotJ. It's pretty plainly visible on-screen. Chewie hijacking the AT-ST was the point when the Rebels started winning.
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>>52897686
Canon, the Imperials turned the tables and fought back despite being numerically inferior, and nearly won until Chewie took their AT-ST and went on a joyride. They also didn't receive the reinforcements they expected, so it really was like Vietnam. Really good troops stuck in unfamiliar terrain hopelessly outnumbered facing guerrilla warfare.

In Legends, the Empire was curbstomping even after Chewie went berserk, but gave up when the Death Star went kaboom.

There was also a ridiculously retarded subplot about IG-88 launching a droid revolution, but we don't talk about that.
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>>52897669
ntw it's called "Apocalypse Endor" and it's an obvious homage to Apocalypse Now.
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If a firing line of your ship passes directly through an enemy ship can you shoot it twice on your turn?
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>>52897723
*shouldn't say hopelessly actually, because the ARVN/US outnumbered the VC/NVA by a pretty big margin overall, but in many individual battles the numbers were skewed until the US left, then the NVA started wrecking much larger forces of South Vietnamese. But now we're going into /k/ territory.
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>>52892136
it made zero sense that the jedi fighter in that game shot sonic charges
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>>52888805
Make them canon again
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>>52897747
Most of the game made zero sense

>destroying hordes of tie phantoms with an a-wing
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>>52897614
Endor's Moon experienced a cataclysmic orbital bombardment via Death Star scraps.
I don't car what Lucas' or Disney's stance may be on this, the surface didn't survive that blast.
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>>52897795
as per the EU anyway, most of the wreckage was vaporized by the blast or burned up during re-entry. the rest wasn't enough to significantly impact the ecosystem.

but headcanon what you want
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>>52897764
if that a-wing is piloted by Wedge I believe it
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>>52897795
>>52897874

Also the rebels stayed in orbit for a long while to clear it up.
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>>52897896
Mary Sue piloting skill
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>>52897669
>It Ain't Sheev starts playing
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>>52897764
I don't remember any phantoms, Rebel Strike had TIE Hunters, no cloaking ships, and you had to fight HARD to survive that tunnel mission.
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>>52897979
Git gud at piloting.
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>>52897979
>being good at something makes you a mary-sue now

The world has gone too far
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>>52898010
kek
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>>52898215
There weren't even any TIE Phantoms in Rebel Strike. Wedge fought TIE Hunters, but those are basically beefed up X-wings with a Sienar skin. Certainly not on par with Phantoms or Defenders. And the most Hunters in a mission, IIRC, was 24. Not exactly "hordes."
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>>52898281
A bit between an X and a Y, but with a lot of speed IIRC, about on par with an Avenger.
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>>52889668
X-Wing is best ship but she's also a pretty boring ship. Every good ship beats her somehow but apart from maybe Avenger they all have weaknesses.
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>>52898374
Avenger has pricetag, it's cheaper than a Defender, but still expensive as fuck.
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>>52892878
What is this semen demon?
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>>52898395
The Avenger also only carries concussion missiles--better for dogfights but less punch against hard targets.
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>>52896019
Alderaan.
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>>52898415
You can load it with anything in multi, plus I am almost sure I had at least one mission with Spacebombs in an Avenger, but it may have been a defender.
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>>52897509
Sheev does not discriminate by species.
Sheev does not discriminate by race.
Sheev does not discriminate by gender.
This is Sheev's face when he's fucking the Galaxy and everyone in it in the ass.
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>>52898441
I misread the Wook page. Yeah, it can carry torps or space bombs, so it has a better ordnance game than the T-65. That leaves price tag (unspecified, most likely expensive), rarity, and lack of astromech as its main disadvantages.
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>>52898420
I'm pretty sure we've covered the fact that Alderaan was a terrorist-ruled rogue state in possession of superweapons in pretty much every thread over the past week. Somehow you rebel apologists don't understand that.
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>>52898405
YT 800
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>>52897731
>thirty billion tons
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>>52898504
and we've also covered that all of that is incorrect
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>>52898480
Although actually Palps WAS meant to be pretty speciesist. That's the explanation for why the Empire in the OT movies was pretty much only human.
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>>52898555
Based trips, but you should've ignored his bait
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>>52898577
Humanity is the best, though.
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>>52898597
>Humans
>Best
How can humans compete with this?
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>>52898504
You spacecunts give me a spaceheadache, there's no excuse for killing a populated planet except maybe when some sort of spaceAIDS is killing everyone anyway.
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>>52898507
Whoa, that's obscure it seems, or spacegoogle is just acting up.
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>>52897509
Oh god, what was the conversation?

>>52897566
He was sadistic as fuck in legends,he only made contingency plans for the Vong because he would tolerate no rivals.

>>52897588
>Because the Emps legion of "best troops" didn't clear fucking huge areas of land around their important locations for effective kill zones. Anything else you fill with 1000's of landmines to dissuade anyone else from wandering into the area.
Choices of One actually has Thrawn review the Endor generator and make those Recommendations, Palpatine points out that if it's TOO well defended he may not be able to bait the Rebels into attacking and opts to keep the treeline close.
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>>52898577
Palps wasn't exactly speciesist he saw the cultivation Specisism as a great way to increase misery and cruelty levels in the galaxy for him to enjoy.
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>>52898624
You know what?

Yeah, the Empire destroyed Alderaan.

Fucking good.

The ungrateful fuckers were supplying the Rebels. Imperial men and women were dying because of them. Alderaan's nobility sat on its ivory tower and pushed for that bitch of a senator Mothma to regain power and they acted against the Empire at every turn, while being part of the Empire and demanding its rights and privileges.

They harbored millions of runaway aliens and Rebel soldiers, and sent ships to join Rebel fleets. Leia had a chance to save them too, but lied at the last moment despite knowing what was on the line.

Alderaan got destroyed, and fucking good on the Empire. They deserved every bit of it.

I'm sick of seeing Rebel-pologists using Alderaan as the one and only reason the whole Empire needed to die, and I'm also sick of Empire-pologists skirting around it and claiming it was something it wasn't or talking about superweapons.

It's this simple: Alderaan supported the Rebellion militarily, Empire blew up Alderaan, good riddance to it. They cast their lot with the enemy and they knew it, and they knew what was coming to them.
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>>52898716
> Leia had a chance to save them too, but lied at the last moment despite knowing what was on the line.
Except Tarkin didn't know she was lying and would have blown up Alderaan regardless of what she said.
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>>52898732
>tarkin didn't know she was lying, so it's okay that she lied
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>>52898756
I didn't say that, I just said that bit of your post is wrong because Leia couldn't have saved them.
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>>52898645
My bad it's a vcx-820
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>>52898716
How much do you get paid, spacefaggot? Spaceshilling for the worst government in... a while, it's not like the Galaxy hasn't had a load of spaceshit rulers but recently the worst, really shows you for a spacemassive cunt.
Also, how's the hypernet in internment camp?
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>>52898756
that's not what he said.
>>52898716
claims that
> Leia had a chance to save them too, but lied at the last moment
but that's a false premise. Leia's lie didn't influence Alderaan's destruction at all.
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>>52898773
Fair enough, but if we're talking Legends it's a little more arguable. The novelization and books that followed implied Tarkin knew she was lying, even though he appears surprised in the film, but they justify this as him being surprised she would lie with her planet on the line, not that he was fooled, because in their terms he wasn't.

Film wise you're correct, I'd say.
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>>52898787
Thanks! Neat little ship and should be fucking murder on Vong once you tweak the dispersion a bit.
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>>52898795
Listen here spaceman, your spacepost is so poorly spacewritten that I don't spacestersand what you're spacetrying to spacesay.
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>rebel scum honestly want to go back to the days of a bloated and corrupt bureaucracy controlled by the Jewdi
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>>52897756

Why didn't they pick this design for the fighters in TFA?

It's literally better for accommodating a turret underneath as well
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>>52898837
Basic, motherfucker, do you speak it? Space. Space. Bibble.
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>>52898888
Worse yet its leader is really no better than any corrupt Imperial.

Mothma basically sent Ilbis to his death and kicked him out of the Rebellion because he questioned her authority.

It was also widely suspected among dissidents in the Rebellion that she was using it as a tool to gain power for herself that she lost following Palpatine's rise.
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>>52898901
Sperging out about internal volume aside I really, really dislike how the FO fighters have a geometry so much like the /LN. I'd want them to look meaner, more agile.
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>>52898911
That's pretty mild compared to the worse Imperials. I do get the impression that at some points the hardasses like the younger Organa just wanted to airlock her.
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>>52898981
But our walking moneybags I mean consumer focus groups will get confused unless each side only has one ship each. And what better ship to use but the nostalgia pandering Xwings and Tie Fighters! We will make billions
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>>52881261
STAR WARS
EPISODE TG

It is an age of political shitposting. Luke, did I ever tell you about the fapping starships? It is theorized that they held Snoke, a Grey Jedi. In fear over Mice and Shevkles, Bendu lays in hiding.

In victory over the shitposting, there may one day be actual tabletop discussion. But that time will not come while glorious Kriea engages in ace combat. All of which pales in comparison to the shittiest Star Wars movie: The Ewok Movie. A Pheonix Squadron Pilot expresses Dark Greetings shortly before his death. A death that could have been prevented if someone hadn't put "Star Wars" in the OP.

Wedge Antilles hops on one transparisteel leg towards Sienar to engage in Professional wrestling. Space /k/ arrives shortly after, to debate about actual tabletop discussion With Ahsokafags. A certain light-side Sith is indeed a Mary Sue. In the end the Nucanon vs. Legends arguments can only be decided with silly lightsabers
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So I wanna run an online SWRPG game. What are my options for dice?

I'd like to use Roll20, but $10 a month to use some dice is a little ridiculous IMO.

There's a dicebot/SWRPG Helper for Discord, but it needs you to install NodeJS and all kinds of other shit, and I see no solid indication that it isn't malware or something else they're loading into your system.

Google Hangouts API is gone.

How the fuck do I roll dice for this game?
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>>52896019
>>52898420
>>52898504
>>52898624
>>52898716
>>52898795
>>52898911

Are you all done?
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>>52899076
And they were all good friends.
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>>52899127
Yeah I am my only argument I need is that the big bad empire ultimately lost.
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>>52899127
I guess, but more importantly so are you.
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>>52898787
Been looking more and how the hell is she a freighter? Did they set half a cubic meter aside and fill it with tools and spares and call it a cargo compartment so they could call it somehing other than a heavy fighter or gunboat?
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>>52898810
That makes no sense. He was surprised she would lie, even though he knew she was lying, and he only appeared surprised that she lied long after the fact when he was informed of proof she was lying.
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What would you name your ship?

>Star Destroyer
Indomitable

>smuggler/bounty hunter/ whatever
Argent Spirit
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>>52900142
>CR90
The Gambit

>YT-2400
The Lucky Lady
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>>52900142
>Star Destroyer
Implacable
>smuggler/bounty hunter/ whatever
Happy Hour
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>>52900142
>>Star Destroyer
My Interdictor Has More Gravitas
>>smuggler/bounty hunter/ whatever
Non-Aggression Principle
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>>52900142
Big Guy
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>>52899030

This is 100% accurate

I've heard Lucas and Hamill will try to repurchase SW back from Disney and hopefully they kick those kikes in the nuts
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>>52900142
>Star Destroyer
Vader's Glove
>smuggler
Indomitable Peasantry
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>>52900605
literally will never happen

disney owns two of the biggest movie and merchandising franchises right now and there's no way they'll ever give them up. shit disney's about to open an entire star wars theme park. they're not selling.
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>>52900142
The Money Shot
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>>52900142
"She's One of Ours, Sir"
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>>52900142
Fuck You, Captain, I Quit!
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>>52899030
>making billions ensued
This is what hurts me the most, honestly. Further vindication to those convinced that creativity is always bad for profitability.
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>>52898810
The novelization(s) were only canon insofar as they aligned with the films, if the film and book disagreed (as with ANH's novelizations Tarkin knowing Leia was lying, while the movie version makes it clear he didn't realize she lied to them until later, or ESB's novelization having Yoda be blue), then the movie takes precedent as the canon version of the storyline, not the book.
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A little confused on some rules regarding squadrons firing on ships.
If a squadron that does NOT have the bomber rule rolls a critical, does the ship still take the 1 point of damage?
And I know rolling a critical flips a damage card face up but what if the ship didn't have a damage card to begin with and you rolled a single critical, do you add a damage card AND flip it face up?
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>>52899076
A MAN ROBBED OF HIS BUTTCHEEKS
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>>52900142
>Star Destroyable
Formidable

>smuggler/bounty hunter/whatever
Idiot's Array
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>>52897756
I imagine that design is being kept for The Last Jedi, or possible the next one. TFA played it ultra-safe so now they have the security to reach out.
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>>52900142
>ISD
Excruciator

>stolen Imperial shuttlecraft
Adamant
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>>52900142
>Star Destroyer
Sound and Fury

>smuggler/bounty hunter/whatever
Eminent Domain
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>>52900142
Sepia Shatter
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What are some common beginner problems in X-wing. I want to expand my podcast series and I feel like helping new players as much as I can is a great way to start. I've been playing for so long at a certain level that I think I've lost touch with the new guys a little, so I'm curious as to what the common mistakes and misconceptions are at their level of play.
Thanks in advance for any answers.
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>>52902420

When I started, I underestimated straight 4s and 5s, and kept running my a-wings past where they had shots (or of the board). Pretty quick to correct for, but it got me a few games
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>>52900605
Even if disney was somehow dumb enough to sell the rights, why would Hamill, who's finally back in films after decades out of the spotlight, want to rock the boat? Sure he's had lots of fun being the Joker etc. but I can tell he is stoked as fuck to be Luke again
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>>52899076
>glorious Kriea engages in ace combat

I never knew I wanted this
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>>52899092
Tabletop sim isn't too bad there's a table with all the stuff preset up for you. of course that would require you and your friends to all own it though
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Hey anons, I'm wanting to get into x-wing but I'm looking for some advice on what are good first ships to buy (after both core sets). I'd like to create a list of ships to fly to try the game out without breaking my wallet, any suggestions?
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>>52902420
Using collisions tactically.
I ran k-turns non-stop for many a game
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>>52902768
What faction?
What ships do you like?
Do you want to play competitively?

Most ships are viable, so you can fly with your favorites. Cards are the big hit, but good planning and proxies can fix that.
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>>52902768
If you want recommendations for competitive ships then FFG has some articles up on their site about good lists you can make for $100 or less for Rebels and Empire, I don't think they have a Scum one yet. If you're not worried about sticking to the meta you can get pretty much anything you want, it's all generally playable with only a few exceptions.
>Rebels
Rebel Aces and Heroes of the Resistance are both great purchases, they come with a lot of pilots and upgrades so they give you quite a few options. The Ghost is also pretty good in that regard though people tend to not really do much with the shuttle so spending 50 bucks on functionally just the Ghost itself can seem really steep. I would recommend avoiding the single pack Y-wing, X-wing and E-wing since while they can be great they tend not to be particularly varied in what you can do with them.
>Imperials
Just like with the Rebels the Aces and Veterans packs are both good, Veterans more so since it's two different ships instead of just a pair of the same one. Pretty much every TIE is either good or comes with good upgrades, the only ships you might want to pass up on are the Punisher, Advanced and maybe the Slave I
>Scum
Aside from the obvious big box with the Y-wing and double Z-95s, pretty much all the large ships are fantastic as is the Protectorate Fighter. On the flip side a lot of the small ships are iffy, people seem to mostly agree the Starviper and Kihraxz aren't worth fielding and I think the Scyk used to get mentioned alongside them but I think Scyk swarms are going to be a really cool thing come the release of the C-ROC.
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>>52900142
>>Star Destroyer
I fucked You're Waifu

>>smuggler/bounty hunter/ whatever
You're Waifu
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>>52903271
>Avoiding the single pack X-wing
>Avoiding the title ship
>Avoiding best girl and best boy
Buy it, anon. Buy it for him.
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>>52902420
What's your podcast? I'll give it a listen
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>>52903204
I like the rebel ships like the x and a wing but I'm open to any of the factions, there are really neat ships in all of them. I don't want to be ultra competitive but if I went to a local tournament I'd like to at least not get blown out of the water. Speaking of proxies, how anal do people get if you proxy your cards?
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>>52900142

A jet-black YT-2400, Black Swordsman.
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>>52903461
At my LGS, as long as effort is put into it (i.e. get a print shop to print is on nice paper) its fine.
No proxies at tournies though.
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>>52897345

How did the First Order even come about?

Are they the Imperial Remnant entirely of crazy extremists worshipping the last of the Sith?
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>>52900142
>Star Destroyer name
If its an interdictor then, Interceptor. If other, Indefatigable.

>smuggler/bounty hunter/ etc
Current char's ship is called 'Witness' because he'll ride eternal shiny and beskar
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>>52900142
>>Star Destroyer name
An interdictor named Nemesis

>>smuggler/bounty hunter/ etc
Golden Rule
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>>52897077

Sheev is a Sith whose entire life is built around being a Sith lord. I honestly think that he doesn't even give a shit about something as small as racism in his world.
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>>52892570

Is it 2003?
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>>52900142
>IC2 SD
Adjudicator
>Interdictor
Steadfast
>SSD
Basilisk
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>>52900142
>smuggler
Flight of Fancy
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>>52903578
The apologists got fed up with /swg/ and decided to make their own with blackjack and hookers in the Unknown Regions
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>>52902420
Loading up on too many upgrades, not knowing your maneuvers/ranges, always jousting.

>>52903461
Pick some ships you like and go from there. It's more important how you fly than what you fly. Practice, practice, practice.

Most folks are cool with proxies outside of tournies, just ask beforehand. Printed squad lists are a good idea.
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Misdirect or Foresight force power?
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>>52897566
>>52897581
He didn't exactly build up for the Vong because of the goodness of his heart. He just didn't want the boys from the leather club to take over what was his Galaxy. That's why some guys like Thrawn sided with the Empire. Not because Sheev was awesome but because he was the lesser of two evils.
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>>52902420
The biggest one once you move past the basics is how to get past a TIE swarm or other jousting list without losing your whole squad.

Also, knowing when you should joust and when you shouldn't.

A lot of newbies lost games early on to these problems.

>>52903461
Casually, just print out your squad lists. Literally no one should care, also helps when your starting so you can use all upgrades. That's a big no at tournaments though.

>>52903578
We don't really know. Battlefront 2 is supposed to tell us though.
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>>52895929
Nothing.
Assuming the Empire aren't the *BAD GUYS* is silly though.
If you wanna roleplay as a sneering fascist with a cool uniform, or his ruthless, professional commandos, then have fun! If your characters sometimes question the side they chose, even better! If they're die-hard fanatics, better still!
It gets obnoxious when you go full apologia though. So don't. Have fun being wicked and stamping on those rebel scum. Sneer at those weaklings who still observe Old Republic prisoner treatment protocols. Scheme to get the command position that incompetent fool above you has.

Stop worrying, and love the Death Star.
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When do you use challenge dice?
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>>52904995
When failure represents significant risks or when dealing with a plot critical opponent. Challenge dice bring Despair, which in turn can alter the flow of the session.
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>>52904917
The Empire has its merits, and its politics appeal to some.

Thinking the Empire dindu nuffin is dumb, but thinking they may've been the good guys, or at least the less evil or destructive choice, is not. It's sensible in some ways.
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>>52905430
I'd imagine that the vast majority of the Empire is just average citizens trying to get by, only thing that makes it "evil" is Palpatine.

Most of what the Empire did was for its own security and at the expense of personal liberty. That's not objectively evil, just part of the social contract. You can't completely have one without the other.

The Empire cracked down on slavers, hunted down pirates and toppled an unknown number of dictators that the republic was unable to address thanks to issues of sovereignty and demilitarization. It's that centralization of power that made them effective but also limited the voice of descent.
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>>52905614
They also enforced labour on private citizens, annexed private properties, state ownership of the banking system, brought back in slavery, lot of people got disappeared into various facilities for their political beliefs and fairly much all the upper echelons where corrupt.
Space communism, no thanks!

Bit of an art dump in the meantime
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>>52905905
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>>52905614
>cracked down on slavers
Actively encouraged, you mean? The Death Stars didn't build themselves.

>toppled an unknown number of dictators
And several times their number in democratically elected representatives in the process, thanks to the wonders of the Base Delta Zero diplomatic initiative!
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>>52905814
>>52905826
Cool critters. I wonder if they cut them after realizing there weren't any tall plants on Jedha to justify being giraffe leg huge?
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>>52905814
Slavery was outlawed, Wookies and Geonosians were relabeled "non-sentient" and have all the rights of a pack mule.

It's also more like space fascism because the government seized specific companies in a market economy and doesn't manipulate demand or produce monopolies.

>fairly much all the upper echelons where corrupt.
Name one fucking civilization where this isn't also the case anyway.
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>>52905916
>Actively encouraged, you mean? The Death Stars didn't build themselves.

No they eliminated all Slavery within the Imperial border. Private citizens weren't allowed to own slaves.

However... Wookies were declared not sapient and used as labor tools for state-run programs.
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>>52905945
Possibly imported from elsewhere like tauntauns or dewbacks sometimes are?
Getting on and off could be inelegant and hanging on at full sprint looks pretty exciting too... falling off = fatal!

>>52905957
Most civilisations as we know them don't have control of entire sectors of space with 1000's of worlds in them, so the impact and effect is heightened
Slavery laws where softened during the early days of the empire, by a few years later it was in full swing again. Non-humans mostly targeted at first, but later on it was either open season on anyone or entire populations in name only where 'not slaves' but didn't get any say after being reduced to poverty and forced to work for food by the empire.

They make good bad guys.
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>>52905814
>enforced labor
On some, and almost always compensated fully.
>annex private properties
Imminent domain.
>state ownership of bank
Good. This was done to eradicate the power of Banking Clans that held a crippling monopoly on the Republic banking system.
>brought back slavery
Of certain aliens. Kinda sucked, but wasn't the end of the world according to human-centric ideas.
>lots of people disappeared
Only the people who violently opposed or who advocated openly overthrowing Palpatine.
>all upper echelons corrupt
No more than the Republic, quite less so in most cases.
>space communism
The Empire wasn't Nazi, but it was far, far, far from Communism, fortunately.


>>52905916
Only the Geonosians, and only then because they were in a constant state of war with the Empire. The Death Star II was built by hired contractors.

>>52905979
This too.

While the Empire enslaved Wookiees and Geonosians for labor, they did not authorize slavery for private citizens. Even Twi'lek ownership, which was even more common in the Republic, was outlawed in the Empire, though this unfortunately wasn't always able to be enforced.
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>>52906057
That entire last part is so objective false that objectively feels like a weak word.

Only Wookiees and Geonosians were enslaved in large numbers. Private ownership of slaves was illegal in most areas. Your average Imperial citizen had more opportunity and a higher standard of living than a citizen did in the Republic, at least in the closer-to-core regions.
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>>52881248
>Destiny
I'M SO READY TO NOT SEE SPIRIT OF REBELLION PACKS IN STOCK ANYWHERE FOR MONTHS
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Decree_A-SL-4557.607.232

"crimes against the civil order"
Which is basically the space cops making shit up, or objecting to being questioned about crimes against the civil order and throwing your arse into slavery if they needed to fill a quota.
You need to go read some more star wars history rather than head-cannon
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>>52906085
This was an early decree later re-addressed before the Imperial Senate fell. Slavery was once again outlawed in most parts of the Empire, but remained legal for judicial purposes. It wasn't true slavery, but rather penal labor or forced work repense. Criminals could be subjected to hard labor on Imperial projects, like chain gangs of the early 20th century. Wookiees and Geonosians were largely convicted, whether falsely or truthfully, of crimes and acts of violence against the Empire, hence why their enslavement persisted.
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>>52906105
Nah, it was just commercialised so they could tax and regulate it.
Any organisation could get a Slaver Permit and go off collecting live bodies for the industry all through the Empire from start to finish.
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>>52906131
Not according to the Essential Atlas.
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>>52900142
>Star Destroyer
Thunderchild

>Super Star Destroyer
Dwimmerlaik

Although, I'm reminded of when I was a kid and asked my dad what a good name was for a Super Star Destroyer and he suggested crack cocaine.
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>>52905863
Probably a good idea they didn't go with this option. Building the scaffolding would be as much work as the station itself.
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>>52906278

And yet Starkiller Base being a whole planet got approved.
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>>52906061
>The Death Star II was built by hired contractors
Fuckin' bullshit. Palpatine had to keep the fact that the superlaser was up and running an absolute secret for his plan to succeed, and hired contractors tend to have lives outside of their project.
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>>52906298
Starkiller base was fucking retarded, and actually I was hoping they'd lose their attack and the station had survived forcing them to go into further hiding while the FO began laying waste to the Republic.

That would have made it not just a dumb pointless Death Star rip off.
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>>52906318
>absolute secret

Do you think the million+ dudes who worked aboard both stations had no lives outside of military?

Are you one of those people under the impression that people serving in the Empire's forces weren't just ordinary people working for their government's military?

Do you really think that working on it would be completely top secret when hundreds of thousands of naval crew, officers, stormtroopers, and army troopers worked on it?
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>>52900142

>Star Defender
Rectitude

>smuggler ship
Miss Conduct
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>>52906298
Don't you talking to me about Neo Empire Dickwave Planet Mk1.
>gee what should we do now that we're exiles from galactic civilization and have to make a living out here in the uncharted wastes
>let's build a bigger badder death star with all this stashed jew gold we have, because in case anyone forgot we are SPACE NAZIS
>gee great idea, I just hope the Rebels don't bomb the exhaust port for a third time
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>>52906338
Welcome to space opera, where background characters without speaking lines aren't real people.
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>>52900142
From current SWRPG campaign, working a bit like the old FASA ST RPG:

SD: INS (later Commonwealth Navy Ship) Exeter

YT2000: no formal name, typically called That Fucking Thing
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>>52906338
Yeah. Just don't provide communications. It can be part of the deal - you get five years of pay for maybe three years work, you don't get to go home until the five years are up, but you do get to kick back on a paradise planet. There's a big imperial installation on it but it's on the other side of the planet.
And then you die horribly because Tarkin had to mash his dick on the big red button but it was a good deal in principle.
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>>52906329
>>52906367

I meant LFL and the movie writers, but W/E.
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>>52906347
More like Wrecktitude amirite?
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>>52906771

You are right
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Apart from Empire Day and Life Day, what other holidays could there be in the Star Wars verse?
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>>52907496
Hutts celebrate Boonta's Eve.
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>>52906278
It'd also have been doubly dumb since Episode 3 ends with them showing the Death Star's skeletal construction already in space.
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>>52899219
And the Rebfags got btfo in one day by the equivalent of the Illinois Nazis.
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>>52900142
>Star Destroyer
Implacable

>freighter
Idiot's Array
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>>52906072
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>>52907496
The Annual Mofference

Timetable of events:

0900 Dark Greetings, light refreshments in reception area. Meet and Dark Greet other Moffs in this top networking opportunity!

1000 Keynote Speech - "From GONK to HK - Maximising droid based synergy in your workplace."

1130 Group team building exercise

1300 Dark Luncheon

1400 Afternoon Presentation "Not Choking on Ambition - How to Foreground Paradigm Shifts in a Post Scarif Environment"

1530 Second Panel "Leveraging Productivity Solutions - Hotdesk Your Star Destroyer and More"

1700 Dark Dinner, Entertainment
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>>52907496
Boonta Eve is a holiday where the hutts hold one of their own became a literal god.
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>>52908115
>light refreshments
Don't you mean "dark refreshments?"
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>>52908175
fuck, you're right
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>>52903671
Encouraging racism and pointing your racist minions at things can be good though.
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>>52907496
Super Sphere Primeday: A day when the entire galaxy takes time off to watch the greatest gravball event of the year, the Super Sphere. Especially revered on Corellia. Go Durasteelers. The Wook also has a list of all the holidays that actually happen in Legends and nucanon:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Holiday
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>>52908115
Nice, but needs a blatant Wannsee reference or two.
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>>52908232
>Durasteelers
>Not the superior Revans
Well, at least your not a Nerfboys fan
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>>52908340
>Implying Nerfboys cheerleaders don't make them the second-best team in the League right after the Durasteelers
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>>52908000
After lucking into what they needed, getting handed at least three technologies way beyond what should exist, working for years and years and finally losing their weapon and and unknown percentage of their military.
These assholes were well int a human boot stamping on a Gungan face forever territory, and then they went full how do you fuck that up?
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>>52905945
But Anon, they weren't cut.
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>>52908605
They were also in the scene with the probe droid.
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>>52908605
Was it intentional that they made the worshipers of the Living Force look and act like a bunch of durkas? Because it made me cheer for Director "I'M IN CHARGE" Kennic when he nuked Jedha.
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>>52903375
Here's my latest upload. Going to try to get a new one up around noon today and again around 2pm Eastern on Friday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNaoEYpKjpQ&t=2s
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>>52903578
It's 2 parts Imperial Remnants who fled to the Unknown Regions after the Empire lost, rather than integrate into the New Republic like most Imps did. And 1 part radicals that most Imperial higher ups thought were too extreme in wanting to blow up the galaxy.
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>>52908715
>Was it intentional that they made the worshipers of the Living Force look and act like a bunch of durkas?
It's based on Jerusalem and the religious groups within, so yes.
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>>52908844
>Planet named Jedha
>Based on Jerusalem
>Not based on IRL Jeddah
I'm confused, Rogue One production team.
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>>52906070
>Only Wookiees and Geonosians were enslaved in large numbers.

Oh, only two entire species, that's okay then.
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>>52908844
Why would you want people to associate Force worship with that? They might get the idea that Force worshipers behave like Muslims.
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>>52908986
Suffering is nesacary for progress anon
look at history, best stuff comes out of slavery
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>>52908986
>On paper slavery is illegal so the Empire totally solved the problem as therefore are good guys!

I agree this argument makes no fucking sense. It would be like saying "look! Plessy v Ferguson said that people would be separate BUT equal, so segregation was totally ok!"

In the Dark Times an Imperial nobleman buys one of the characters daughters as a slave so he can fucking eat her. Shining torch of civilization right there
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>>52902553
This is more of an experience problem than something video-worthy IMO. It'll be touched on in a lot of other topics, but is really a matter of getting a feel for the game.
>>52903183
Blocking is a major aspect of the game. Expect a whole video dedicated to it soon.
>>52904125
>Loading up on too many upgrades
Nigga, I play Corran/Miranda. Too many upgrades is my bread an butter. But you are right that it sinks many lists. I think my list building tutorial handled this well with it's ships-first upgrades-later approach.
>always jousting
Definitely need to do a jousting video
>>52904861
>how to get past a TIE swarm
This likely deserves it's own video. I haven't played against a TIE swarm in fucking FOREVER. Gonna need to get my Imp friends to change that.
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>>52909074
>The South
>Gladiators
>Sparta

This list is meh at best
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>>52909074
>in an entire galaxy of people you could pay to work for you
>it's necessary to take slaves

Now now, dont go full retard anon. Never go full retard.


>>52909085
It's a dumb argument, but its the standard 'but it was only AYYYYLIENS one that gets brought up whenever someone wants to suck the Empire's dick.
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>>52909121
I'm not arguing morally.
I'm saying that if you want lots of progress in little time, slaves #1
>>52909108
America(all of it)
Britain
Rome
Every great empire ever
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>>52909270

In a galaxy with quintillions of people in it, you don't need to take slaves and then try and justify it.

There is no legitimate reason for this, as a government that claims to ban slavery.
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>>52909121
>in an entire galaxy of people you could pay to work for you
Not to mention you know, droids.
Honestly the only reason to do slavery in the star wars galaxy is when you're deliberately trying to be a massive cock for your own entertainment
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>>52909353

Christ I forgot about droids.
Yeah, why does anyone get paid to do work ever?
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>>52909399
I get the feeling that droids weren't entirely well trusted beyond running numbers and handling customer service. They generally seem high maintenance with a proclivity toward rebellion without a restraining bolt.
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>>52909399
Droids are really only good for completely unskilled labor or hyperspecialized functions like they're a monotask computer
There's still a large gap where living beings fit in, not to mention places that can't afford droids
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>>52909468
>places that can't afford droids
nigga, Luke's podunk dirt-farming uncle could afford an entire team of droids. Droids he didn't even need for his operation (like C3P0). And that was after the Empire started taxing his business into the ground.
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>>52909498
Indeed. "Places without the technological infrastructure to maintain droids" would have been more accurate
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>>52909601

But Tatooine is the ass-end of nowhere and Luke and the Lars lived in the ass-end of the ass-end of nowhere.
And they could maintain droids just fine.
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>>52909664
They lived within speeder distance of Tosche Station, a reliable source of technological resources such as power converters.
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How do I best get into Armada?
Is one coreset enough?
Im thinking about collecting both sides.
Is this a good initial investment?
>Core + Extra Dice
Imperial
>ISD
>Interdictor
>Gladiator
>Arquitens
Rebels
>Liberty
>MC-30
>CR-90
>Nebulon-B
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>>52909399
This is exactly why Star wars is a crappy universe for putting under the microscope and analyzing stuff like morality/politics/economics. Droids would seem to completely revolutionize labor but you still have Hutts hiring fatass pigmen to carry around axes. We star wars nerds are used to thinking about Star Wars as a setting with species having individual cultures but in the movies most everything was meant as a cool setpiece
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>>52909705
>Tosche station, a wretched hive of hardware stores and used electronics
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>>52909753
Droids that can fight are not only insanely expensive they are also pretty fucking illegal.
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>>52909790
>implying a Hutt gives a fuck about what's expensive or illegal.
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>>52909800
>a Hutt gives a fuck about what's expensive
Yes. They are businessmen afterall.
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>>52909790
>Illegal
see >>53909800

As for price a huge galactic war where one side used almost exclusively droids just happened. Even if the empire destroyed a huge amount of them there would still be a giant surplus of models, supplies, equipment to build/supply/repair them etc on the black market
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>>52909866
shit see >>52909800
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>>52909664
It was an utter shithole, it just wasn't a low tech shithole
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>>52909711
Core set gets you the rules, having one of everything gets you all the upgrade cards.
Luckily, very few people play seriously, so you can use http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/ to build your list with all the upgrades you think relevant for your list and just tell your opponent what you have/write it on scraps of paper. I've never had anyone debate that so long as everyone is aware and has everything written down.
What you're showing is good to start with. I'd also recommend the fighter packs.
A lot of people really underestimate them, but Rebs' fighters can take out smaller Imp vessels fairly easily. Imps can swarm their fighters since Imp fighters are generally much cheaper.
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A few questions.

What does Coruscant look like in the pre-rebellion empire? I'm running a force and destiny game and I want to have the players head there for a quest, but I'm worried it might be (in canon) suicide. How heavy is the imperial presence? Can a group of jedi reasonably expect to be able to go about the planet and escape with their lives?

Secondary question, are there rules for Juyo in force and destiny? I don't see them. It's not a huge deal I just plan on having a baddie use it and I'm curious what abilities to give them.
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>>52910126
It's literally the capital world. Imperial presence is like Nazis in Berlin in the 30s.
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>>52910126
>>52910169

That said, it's also the biggest, most built up and most overpopulated planet in the galaxy.

If there's anywhere you can go to ground and not be found, its Coruscant, so long as you're careful.

That said, getting onto the planet through Imperial customs will be the biggest challenge.
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>>52910169
>>52910252
The plot is that the party is trying to track down an anti imperial terrorist who's planning on bombing large pro-imperial population centers.
So basically I need a planet that fits a few criteria (and I was hoping for an identifiable one such as Coruscant):
The planet is heavily populated and has at least large amounts of that population being pro imperial (not just content with the empire but happy and accepting of it)
The planet needs to have at least some kind of criminal element that this guy can work through
the planet has to be one where an alien can move around with at least some freedom/anonymity (It won't work as well if its a really fancy imperial world and he's the only alien for 3 miles)

By this reasoning it doesn't have to be Coruscant but it fits the criteria I'm wanting
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>>52910400
>jedi hunting an anti-imp
>The enemy of my enemy is an asshole
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>>52910400
Added note the bombs are basically cobalt bombs but with hypermatter, and the guy is a (very incapable in combat) dark jedi, who used to be a party member.

I actually asked for some tips in a previous thread regarding this plot and I'm working off of them.
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>>52910449
The target I'm aiming for is for the guy to seem both understandable and yet still excessive.
He's targeting imperials but primarily imperial civilians and he's taking them out in mass (radioactive) bombings.
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>>52910400
>>52910456
>>52910505

Yeah, Coruscant is definitely the way to go.
Theres a lot of built up imperial worlds, but its the one that best fits all the stuff you need.

When is your game set during the rebellion?

If its early in the galactic civil war it's feasible that Coruscant (sorry, Imperial Center) might be a bit less stringently guarded.
The customs might not be quite so insane, etc.
As such, it might be more possible for the party to walk in.

Of course, sneaking in would be easier.

But Coruscant has everything theyc ould ever need for this story, not to mention everything the villain could need.

The only wrinkle I can see is 'why dont we just tip off the imperial authorities'
To which I assume the answer could be 'we dont want them getting their hands on his power and abilities.'
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>>52910562
That could work as the game is set early to pre rebellion (before Rebels).
Another reason the party is after him AND don't want him getting captured is he knows the location of an old temple that the party and a few other no-longer-young-lings were using as a hiding spot. They wouldn't want the empire capturing him or him taking a sort of plea bargain.
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>>52910400
I think you've already answered your question; a Jedi and a bunch of machinery that I suppose includes exotic matter got in.

I'd honestly allow them to get in clean if they made even tight slightest effort. Freight and traffic is just insane. Getting out might be harder, especially if they haven't set up an exit.

Finding the guy will be the hard part. You could put a fire inter the players' asses by having him start setting off bombs. A twist could be that the government likes terrorist bombings as propaganda fodder and doesn't fully support, or even outright hampers, the investigation. Could provide Imperial allies. (Maybe an excuse for a new character if someone bites it?)
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>>52910692

This is actually a really cool idea.

Imperial higher ups love the bombings becuase they can use them as propaganda about radicals and terrorists.
But then there's just good men and women on the local security forces who dont give a damn what the higher ups want, they just want to try and save people.

The party ends up working with a Coruscant Security investigator who works out that they're jedi, but doesnt turn them in becuase they're trying to catch the same mass-murderer he is - hell, they've willingly come into the gundark's nest to do it too. Perhaps his father worked in security as well before the Purge and told him stories about the Jedi which contrast starkly with the current stories being told.

A case of, when they're done and killed the target "I cant pretend I didnt see you. But I can take a while to report it. I tragically seem to have lost my comlink."
>He drops his comlink down the cavernous gulf of a old lift shaft.
"You've ten hours to get off the planet before we have to come looking for you."


Then this guy could become a recurring character down the line, maybe in being seconded to the Inquisitorial team that comes after the group (dying to protect them perhaps? Or constantly tipping them off so they stay just one step ahead?). Or maybe it's discovered that he deliberately delayed, and so he's run out of the security forces and has to leave Coruscant.
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>>52909100
There's a difference between loading Corran and Miranda to win you the game and giving all your Rookiee Pilots Proton Torpedoes and Engine Upgrades.
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