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8th Ed = reskined AoS edition

>previous thread
>>52870562

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android.
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>40k rules reference in wiki format.
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>Latest GW teases
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>Daily Dank Dunc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJdA7dwx6-4 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

>Latest GW FAQs.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>8th edition FAQ:
https://warhammer40000.gw-hub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/New-Edition-of-40K-FAQ.pdf

>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>List organizer picture book
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>Offline list builder
https://battlescribe.net/

>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
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my dudes > your dudes
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>>52873661
1st for 8th is mostly an improvement
7th is shit
fight me
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>>52873661
With 14 Force Org charts, pure Deathwing might be a thing again finally!
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DREADNOUGHTS VIABLE
RIPSHITS NERFED
BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
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>"We made this edition for you, using your feedback, it's YOUR game!"

>"Unless you play Xenos, in which case you don't matter. Thanks for the money suckers, now go buy an Imperial or Chaos army."
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>>52873703
>DREADNOUGHTS VIABLE
What makes you think that?
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>>52873696
Why would i fite a man who is my nigga?
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>>52873720
That's what they get for having shit taste
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>>52873703
>land raiders can now be wounded by lasguns
>tyranid monsters get even shitter as they lose wounds.
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>>52873724
Vehicle(Walker)s are dead.
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>>52873738
This. Xenophobia is what makes us great, whether you're loyal or not.

Purge the alien!
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>>52873720

you can still play your xeno army so what are you crying about? that you are not the biggest threat to the galaxy in the fluff? grow up.
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>>52873661
the trademark on New Games Workshop cracks me up
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Rip blasts hitting multiple units. So much for positioning mattering.
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>>52873661
>>52873585
>nerfing the Tyranids day one
I'm dying of sidesplosions
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>>52873743
What?
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Nth for the greater good
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>>52873720
>Xenos dominate Chaos for several editions
>This can clearly be seen since Chaos has only 4 factions
>Chaos finally gets a little love
>Xenosfag asspocalypse
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>>52873742
Well if laindraiders and fexes will have 50 wounds and a 1+ save, and lasguns only wound them on a 6 without a save modifier you're still never gonna kill them.

Vehicle facings seem to be gone though.
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>>52873754
Chaos being the biggest threat to the galaxy is like saying tornados are the biggest threat.
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>>52873764
It's not fair! IT'S NOT FAIR!
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>>52873754
>you can still get raped in the ass by 20 wound 3+/2+-6 rend 7 damage Girlyman

Nah
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>>52873764
>the focus of the new edition is imperium vs chaos
>your army is going to be pushed to the side lines or become the imperiums bitch
>tfw when even GW thinks you're just an NPC race
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>>52873696
>>52873729
>GW drones supporting an unreleased reskined AoS clone
Keep chocking those dicks anons
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>>52873661

>GW clearing out their outdated codexes
> not a single fuckign one on discount

B A S E D R O U N T R E E
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>>52873792
Seems like it is xeno fags rather than grognards that got BTFO so far
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>>52873775
>Xenos dominate Chaos for several editions
>Tyranids
>Orks
>Dark Eldar
>They get to eat shit for an entire edition or more
>And now it's confirmed they get to keep doing so for 8th
B-B-But Eldar are so OP :(
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>>52873795
I did not create that caption to be used in shitposting.
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So there's no more t/s/w/a/l stats? It's whatever the fuck Smegmar has? Is there literally any reason I shouldn't sell my armies right fucking now, before casuals get wind of this?
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>>52873795
>wasting your time sperging about an edition that is coming no matter what you want
>not enjoying how as of the FAQ it's going better than I expected
Kek you keep doing you anon
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How are Necrons looking? Not too bad? Really bad?
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>>52873661
mfw marines are $63 per box in Australia
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>>52873661

>post yfw xenosfags once and for all BTFO about who the greatest big bad of 40k is
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>>52873832
Iirc, they're keepigg statlines.
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>>52873846
Literally squatted
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>>52873832
>So there's no more t/s/w/a/l stats?
literally not been said anywhere you dumbass.
Only initiative is getting a change as far as we know.
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>>52873846
considering everything's focused on Imperium and Chaos. don't get your hopes up
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>>52873852
>prison islanders btfo
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>>52873832
The stream did specifically mention Strength and Toughness statistics at a couple of points, so I assume the statline and core rules mechanics aren't changing that much.
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>>52873852
Yeah, $63 australian dollars, you idiot. Thanks to your $15 minimum wage
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>>52873857
considering "everything can wound everything" toughness seems like it's out the window.
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>>52873844
I'm sad no mention of SoB, but oh well is not like GW care about consumers, just the quick cash.

Also codex going the way of the dodo and no discounts. New GW is a lie
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>>52873813
Wait, what is happening to Dark Eldar?
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>But the Tyranids are the greatest threat!
>But the Necrons can seal the warp!
>But the Ork Gods are more powerful than Chaos!
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Reminder that you can leave 40k general for the next two months.
Painting still continues in WIP
Discussion of fun games continues in SWAG
All you'll be missing will be shitposts and whining, nothing of value will be lost.
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>collect army since 3rd edition
>get constantly shit on by GW
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>>52873887
TURNED INTO
>A FUCKING NPC RACE
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>>52873885
Bro, what on earth made you think they would mention SoB? It was an 8e Q&A. New factions and complete faction re-releases aren't the kind of thing they announce at an impromptu facebook stream about something else entirely
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>>52873883
Or they're just changing the wounding mechanic/table to nolonger have a point where you can't hurt something.
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>>52873894
Still Chaos god cumdumspter

Why are Chaos fag so eager about being sex slaves?
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>>52873887
>>52873873
sorry Xenos friends
now get off my fucking universe
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>>52873894

>B-B-B-But you don't understand, 40k is about the Tyranids eating the Imperium!!!!!
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>>52873883
No? All that means is that the chart is different or simplified and toughness of 7+ doesn't make you immune to lasguns
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>>52873825
>>52873808
I most apologize for our xenos army players.
we have given them the shit rules, as a joke.
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>>52873885
Did you actually watch the stream?
>everyone brought up to sped at launch in one of five megacodex books
>codex releases planned to continue beyond that, codices will include lore and shit plus additional rules to use command points in fluffier ways
>you can LITERALLY get compensation for any money you spend on 7th edition books in the past 8 weeks
But no obviously GW is bad because they didn't mention SoB in Q&A that wasn't even about SoB.
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>>52873916
I don't know 20 year old model line would be worth mentioning. Since the bitches keep showing up in questions
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I hope you're prepared for an entire edition of xeno moaning in thread.
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>>52873887
They're a sub-faction of Aeldari, which are allies of the imperium.

Their pirate days are over.
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Not saying Xenos need to be the main badguy, but I'm honestly surprised at the pure hatred and smugness toward them. Especially Nids and Orks.
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>>52873938
Well they won't be 20 years old when they get re-released. That's what people are asking about. But again, that's not the kind of thing they're going to announce at an 8e Q&A
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>>52873894
>>52873931
>Space Bugs eternally btfo
Damn it feels good.
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>>52873939
We've already had Tau and Ork whing for ages. A few more in the wagon won't change much
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>>52873895
>Implying I dont come here for the shitposting
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>>52873947
>>52873887

Did they actually get squatted or are they still making models and shit for them?
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>>52873937
Honestly an apology for axing WHF and raping the Nid codex would be enough the rest is expected
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>>52873953
to be fair
they both suck ass
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Finally will be able to play them 'nids chilling as they only want to nom a system or two without getting the unecessary spotlight
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>>52873966
whining*
>>52873968
No one is getting squatted, all models will have new rules at launch
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Seriously, fuck this decreasing statline shit. Why would they look at stuff from AOS and want to use it? GW pls die.
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>>52873953

Because you lot were acting like insufferable faggots about who is true threat of 40k. Especially Nidfags. Now you know your place.
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>>52873978
Ahh so you didn't play best edition.

Poor sod
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>>52873720
GeW would love to only have Specs Marines and Chaos Marines. Think of all the money they would save on manufacturing, with the only difference between armies being the paint (which they could then justify further raising the price of, since "it's like a faction in a bottle").
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>wake up
>Tauniggers and their suits btfo
>Vehicles literally saved
>new factions
>Daemon Primarch Leman Russ
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>>52873968
Answer this question, are they still selling sisters of battle?

They're in the same boat now.
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>>52873997
I wonder who it was that beat Crudd so hard that this is what became of it.
I wonder if that guy ever regrets not just throwing that game?
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>>52874002
>WHEN THE GW GIVES YOU BACK YOUR SHEKELS
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What the fuck
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>>52873968
They haven't been squatted, but given the narrative focus on Chaos fighting the Imperium, they probably aren't going to feature very often except as the creepy friend the Eldar bring along when they turn up to help kill Daemons.
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>>52873992
>Why would they look at stuff from AOS and want to use it? GW pls die.

Because AoS is the superior game and making them money
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>>52873953
I play 3 different Xenos armies and I don't get why anyone is complaining about the lack of attention to start. Orks and Nids are already in a bad spot, so not getting any focus and waiting until things even out to give then rules is a good thing instead of rushing them. Eldar and Tau are both really strong, so them getting more average rules to help even them out and giving them a chance to be more careful with them is a good thing.
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>>52873997
>You know what? I still think Tyranid monsters are too powerful
>And I hate how the setting seems to revolve around them these days
>What can I do to change that....
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>>52873968
The narrative is now entirely on the Imperium fighting Chaos.
Everyone else is just background.
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>>52873779
What, the savings throws of a 1 always fails no longer a thing?
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>>52874036
But 40k has been outselling AoS the entire time.
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>>52874050
Nobody's talking about the fucking rules, but GW's obsession with pushing this Imperium vs Chaos dickslapping contest and ignoring all the interesting alien factions.
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>>52873661

>Everything can hurt everything.... lasguns hurting tanks was mentioned
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>>52874051
>WHEN THE PEST CONTROL MAN REMOVES NIDROACHES A LITTLE EXTRA
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>>52873696
Yes 8th is going to be the best edition yet. So hyped
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>>52874070
So...absolutely nothing different? How is this triggering people?
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>>52874002
>vehicles literally saved
But now grots can punch them to death.
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>>52874008
SoB get constantly out of stock.

It just add another question do GW have a stock from 2004 of SoB that didn't sold as scrap when they change to failcast or they are making metal SoB?
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>>52874070
>t. butthurt xenosfag
SAY IT WITH ME /40KG/

NPC RACE
NPC RACE
NPC RACE
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>>52874092

>when you NPC race but you think you not
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>>52874085
Back in best edition and 4th, everyone had some importance or end game

Now? Only chaos has an endgame, but won't win since they are chaos.
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>>52874073
>Autoguns, the equivalent of 20th century rifles, can hurt anything.
>AK47s can disable Land Raiders
I know those old real world stats for Leman Russes from Forge World turned 40k tech into a laughing stock, but it sounds like even those specs were greatly exaggerated.
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>>52874090
Grots also can punch thundercav deathstar to death.

Doesn't mean it will ever happen. On the other hand, your 250pts mini won't get instantly removed because of dumb damage table.
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>>52874105
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>>52874112
>IMPLYING ORKS HAVE AN ENDGAME
>IMPLYING ROACHES HAVE AN ENDGAME
>IMPLYING TOMB KANGZ HAVE AN ENDGAME
>IMPLYING SPACE COMMIES HAVE AN ENDGAME
>IMPLYING NIPS ON SHIPS HAVE AN ENDGAME

>DELUSIONAL XENOSCÃœCKS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS
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>>52874112
That still doesn't have this outcry make sense. We've had so many editions of this and people are acting like it's a new thing.
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>>52873844
Keep chocking on them anon, that's your true calling, I most definitely didn't wanted a reskined AoS clone, I wanted a fixed game, not the abortion they're heading to.
>>52873819
Welcome to the internet
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>>52874092
>>52874105
I play Khorne Daemonkin and Stealer cults

how NPC am i /tg/?
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>>52874125
They could have just removed the damage table instead. Or made it less retarded at least. Even it it's unlikely to happen it shouldn't be able to happen at all.
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Everyone is sperging out right now about the game changing, but it's not like 8th ed. is going to be the final edition of 40k. It'll change a bit a few years after that, and so on.
Some of you have no foresight or perspective.
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Who else is HYPED AS FUCK for Fire of Cyraxus ? FW anounced they will update IA rules as well so I will be able to play my renegades.

I couldn't be more happy right now.
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>>52874155
>Khorne Daemonkin

Not even listed in the factions list. Enjoy your squatted faction.
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>>52874155
50% NPC

100% FURRY
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Where the fuck are the mods
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>>52874155
Daemonkin is fine.
Honestly, Stealer cults are probably fine too, since you aren't reliant on monstrous creatures in that one.
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>>52874155
>Khorne
Prime Spotlight
>Stealer cults
Background NPC you only see in the gutters touching themselves
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>>52874171
Yes they are. They're rolled into a single Daemon faction, and a khorne daemon is the one they chose to represent it
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>>52874178
>implying they want to get anywhere near this flaming dumpster
They're the smart ones.
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>>52874178
At least the jannies are here deleting some shit
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>>52874203
>PICTURED: NPC RACE TRASH
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Will Rubricae be good now that AP is not flat value anymore? Also, any news about psychic powers?

>Magnus loses his "no perils" crown at 50% Wounds

Pls make it happen GW.
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>>52874059
Us not knowing details like that is why it is still hard to make any real judgement on how shit the new edition will be.
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>>52874066
no. 30k (the real adult game) outsell aos that outsell 40kids
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>>52874073
Just imagine all of that shit in the FAQ that is supposed to give hope. Fast forward to the release, and it actually is unironically Age of Smegma: 40,000.

>New Games Workshop â„¢
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>>52874171
They literally said that the factions on the website are not a representation of avaible factions for the game you triple nigger
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>>52874227
>Just imagine all of that shit in the FAQ that is supposed to give hope
but the stuff that gave hope is the AoS stuff
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>>52873775
>Humans ONLY get a combined 12 factions (chaos+imperial)
>There are five whole xenos races with a combined 6 armies

Eat shit senpai

Warhammer: 40,000 Spess Muhreenz
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Do we have any rules changes yet?
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>>52874220
no news on the psyhic phase.
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>>52874226
AoS can't even outsell Warmachine
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36971/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2016
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>>52874233
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>>52874036
But they've listened to the community! Squat WHFB and replace with AoS and sales go up, therefore squat 7th and replace with AoS IN SPACE! and sales will go up. The success of AoS proved that the community wants an AoS like system
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>>52874220
Nothing about psychic powers at all.

We don't know enough yet to be sure if anything will be good or not.
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This thread is convincing me that chaosfags are the cancer eating away at 40k
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>>52874227
Please do not defile the art of Muju with such pessimism.
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Xenosfriends, now more than ever we need each other. Tell me your feels.
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>>52873844
>wasting your time sperging about an edition that is coming no matter what you want
>You shouldn't resist things you don't want
>Just lie still and try to put your mind somewhere else so you don't get hurt
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>>52874297
They always were.
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>>52874279
>We don't know enough yet to be sure if anything will be good or not.
They will probably still be overpriced. Still, now they are not helpless against Termies, and since shit that was AP4 will now force 3+ armor saves to save on lower numbers their invu will probably be even more valuable, so they may end up being worth the cost.

Probably not, but one can hope.
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>>52874297
Like pottery
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>>52874146
They hoped GW would fix the stupidity of 5th to 7th regarding lore.

That was their mistake, the guys at GW are not the guys that made 40k originally and don't even understand what is 40k. So they reduce it to good vs evil in a grimderp setting
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>>52874295
I'm out of the loop. Whats happened that they are BTFo'd
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>>52874305
At least this means we might be able to properly and meaningfully ally GSC and Nids, other than Insurrection+ flyrant BS
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>>52874305
We've never been center stage anyway.
I can live with this.
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>>52874155
>>52874171

>KDK strategy is based on killing yourselves
>Involves daemons and flesh hounds so all the salty anti-daemon players hate you
>Has power armour so all anti marine cucks hate you
>Is Khornate so all the jealous Slaanesifags hate you
>Khorne gets all the attention
>Anti summon fags are probably mad about Blood tithe
>Can't participate in psychic bullshit
>Forced to pay 150pts tax for 5 possessed each game
>Overtaken by Traitor legions
>Easy to forget the army even exists at all

Is Daemonkin the most JUST army ever made?
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>>52873832
It's smegmar, they are just avoiding to say it directly to prevent their sales from suddenly show a drop in their next financial report
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>>52874297
>>52874318
>Chaos is a cancer trying to destroyt he 40k universe
>Chaos players are a cancer trying to destroy 40k
Really gets my noggin' joggin'.
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>>52874297

I think you mean cheeterfags
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>>52874305
Why what happened?
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>>52874022
>I WANT TO WEAR YOUR SKIN DUNCAN
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>>52874305
>GET FUCKING BTFO'D
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>>52874305
Necrons used to be my favorite race until i moved on to cooler space Egyptians
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>>52874276

Yes, you heard it here first. Us WHFBfags tried to warn you. You now have the literal fucking retards who bought and played and defended Age of Smegmar to blame for the death of 40k and, by extension, the final death-spasm of GW aka Fags Workshit
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>>52874371
Xenos factions BTFO
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>>52874356
>150 tax points
oh boo fucking hoo
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>>52874002
>bolters can damage land raiders now
No boy, they're fucked in a different way but pretty much still fucked
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>>52874393
>I played a mature game for master tacticians
>turn rectangle of dogs 45 degrees to protect 100 strong great weapon square
DEEP GAMEPLAY
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>>52874305
Necron player here. I'm not believing the hype. There's no more or less "NPC Race" going on here than there was before, and I knew how much there was going into the game.

I enjoyed what they've been doing, I've enjoyed playing my army against my friends, and from what they've said, I will do that even more in the future.

I'll miss having huge decurion formations and the like, because list building with like a dozen different supplements available is fun, but I understand why it had to go. It reminds me overmuch of the transition between 3.5 Dungeons and Dragons and 4th edition.
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>>52874393
>t. XENOSFAG WHO JUST GOT RELEGATED TO NPC POSITION
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>>52874305

Make WAAAGH great again

pls
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>>52874393
No one likes your dead game that sold less than paint.
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>>52874305
Man, i'm an ork player the only way is up
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>>52874393
The hate is strong in you.
Reducing most of the shit that made 40k expensive and often complicated (without adding any reward for those decisions) is not a bad thing. If you like WHFB, cool. I for my part will enjoy 40k (and even AoS as it has brought many friends into this game) trough the editions.
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>>52874435
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>>52874393
Maybe if you faggots bought more shit this death spiral wouldn't have happened to begin with.
It's all clearly your faults.
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>>52874479
better cc = better waagh
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>>52874479
>MAKE NPC FACTION GREAT AGAIN
>IMPLYING NPCS WERE EVER MEANT TO BE GOOD
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>>52874393
it's your fault for not buying any mini tho.
Whfb has always been the cancer and GW was ashamed of the player base.
the cool kids all played 40k
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>>52874426
Bolters can damage Riptides. That didn't stop people from begging for their vehicles to be even half as durable is one of those.
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>>52874534
>Xenos

Ohohoho
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>>52874510
>Orks
>i2
>s3
>melee race
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As someone who sold all their 40k around 2008 I am moderately hopeful for this edition. There are zero GW players within 25 miles of my house, it literally can't get worse.
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>>52874557
K E K
E
K

HOW WILL NPC RACES EVER RECOVER
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>>52874570
This might be your last chance to post this.
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>>52874556
Because riptides can't be blown up in one shot.
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>>52874305
>Tfw Spess Orkz are the only reason I ever played 40krap
>Tfw gorkamorka was my first gw game
>Tfw I played fluff Ork WAAAGH horde even though it underperformed and cost more
>Tfw converted big shootas and burnas for my boyz mobs before they released metal ones
>Tfw scratchbuilt fuckhuge battlewagon
>Tfw it always died turn 1, followed by my 10lb metal dred on turn 2, then all of my Killa kanz on turn 3
>Tfw large blast template scattering in the middle of 120 boyz
>Tfw Spess Muhreenfags got 7-10 codexes for every one that I got
>Tfw they always did better because op codexes drive sales which drives new codexes which increases op levels
>Tfw 6-player mega battle allied with two Spess Muhreenfags fighting three other Spess Muhreenfags

Welp, time to go to /hwg/ and /awg/ and stay there. Good luck, boys. I hope you find happiness somehow, whether you stay here or not
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>>52874406
Why? Whats changed?
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>>52874586
And now vehicles can't be blown up in one shot except for high-damage weapons, which applies equally to MCs
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>>52874586
And because they have armor saves, invulnerable saves and FnP out of their ass while vehicles are force to hug cover.
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Show me your waaagh face, /tg/
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>>52874298
>pessimism
It's undeniably a possible and arguably likely future reality.
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>>52874601
I'm in near the exact same situation as you yet fucking loving everything I've heard so far. Chin up scrub.
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>>52874581
Why?

Are they going to get even WORSE next edition?
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>>52874601
LMAO

LET THE NPC RACES BURN

>NIGGER TIER ARMY CEASES TO EXIST
>NOTHING OF VALUE WAS LOST
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>>52874554
>>52874595
Post the one with the fake stat profile of the 'warlord titan wife with titan combat feet' or whatever, i like that one
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>>52874557
Nice job senpai. Xenos eternally BTFO.
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>>52874628
Nids definitely are.
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Who /doesn'tplay7edtill8edout/ here?
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>>52874614
They could have easily just reworked the vehicle damage table or removed it. Sure riptides can be damages by boaters but in return the get a bunch of saves vehicles don't get.
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>>52874635
Don't think I have that one.
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>>52874619
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>>52874619
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>>52874648
Who /wentonindefinitehiatuswhen7thhitandjustwantoplayagoddamngame/ here?
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>>52874659
>Sure riptides can be damages by boaters but in return the get a bunch of saves vehicles don't get.
Such a fair trade off!! Thank fuck 7th is dying.
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>>52874659
Bolters* goddamn autocorrect
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>>52874356
>he doesn't know Khorne Daemons are made from human souls
>he doesn't know the hounds and letters that tear you appart are probably the same people you just shot
>he doesn't know there is no better feeling than licking the salt from the eye-sockets of your enemies's skulks
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
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>>52874165
I've been cumming like a firehose for ~1h now because of that.
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>>52874691
>NIGGERCRONS
>MUH WE WUZ SPACE KANGZ N SHIET

>NOW RELEGATED TO
>A
>FUCKING
>NPC
>RACE

AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>52874659
>Alright, that's 50 Lasgun hits on your Land Raider
>Okay, I need 6s to wound
>Now you get your 2+ save
>And re roll it because of your special rule that lets you re roll armor saves against weapons without a Rend value
>Then make your Ironclad roll for a 4+ chance to negate that wound that snuck through
>Alright, looks like one got through! Guess it chipped one of your guns
>Only 11 hullpoints to go!
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>>52873883
Not at all. WHFB was the same way, even S1 could wound T10 on a 6+.
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>>52874694
and you dont know [Citation Needed].
Your headcannon is just your headcannon
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>>52873883
In Fantasy, everything could wound everything. That doesn't mean Smegmar in anyway way, shape, or form.
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>>52874648
I was planning to transition into death guard right before wrath of Magnus was announced, when that happened I figured I'd wait and see if anything would come up, then there was traitor legions and those mortarion leaks, I've been on standby for a while now and it sounds like I'll be waiting til 8th, thank god for shadow war.
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>>52874678
How is it not fair? Vehicles have few saves and most of them have a weak side that makes them easily damaged if they aren't positioned correctly. Creatures can be damaged more easily but can save the wounds more reliably.
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>>52874503
>>52874513

Prices are too high, niggers. In five years Age of 40,000 (the unigame condensed from the new settings) featuring Sigmarines fighting Spikey Sigmarines will be played by a few hundred people who each spend $5,000 a year on the newest Sigmarine that is super cool and powerful and rides like a dragon or a big motorcycle or some shit and has an axe bigger than his entire body and can teleport into the table with like a comet that blows up everything that isn't a Sigmarine (which is nothing because only Sigmarines are played) and even though every army is identical (except for presence or absence of spikes) it's cool because their two-tone colour schemes are completely different
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>>52874750
Or get out of hishchool and get a job.
wargaming is one of the cheapest hobby.
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>>52874750
You can't bitch about the direction of a game you did nothing to support.
A company will always follow the money.
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Anons? Sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask, but is there a mega link containing Ciaphas Cain: For The Greater Good? I checked, but the only Ciaphas Cain folder I found was missing that volume.
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>>52874750
What releases have come out in the past year that makes you think it will be pure marine on marine? The starter set will be, but it always is; they've been diversifying ratherw ell.
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>>52874784
Yes
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>>52874750
>see >>52874438

GET FUCKING REKT XENOSFAG
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>>52874750
So it seems the real reason why you dont like the game is that its too expensive for you and you dont like marines. Could have saved us some time here if you have said it from the start.
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Any way to figure out if all the smegma people are working on 40k 8th? If they are, I think it's unrealistically optimistic to expect anything but smegma.
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>>52874725
Khorne's realm fluff, Blood Pools part. And he isn't the only one, victims of Nurgle's Rot become Plaguebearers.
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So how notblasts will work in 8ed? My battle cannon leman russ makes 1 4+ shot and deals something around 2d6 wounds? Sound wonky. Having 50% chance to deal no damage sounds stupid.
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>>52874750
You don't see a mix of autism, ignorance and stupidity like this too often
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>>52874817
Any way to figure out if all the xenosfags are the ones shitposting about sigmar? If they are, I think it's unrealistically optimistic to expect anything but xenosfaggotry.
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>>52874717

>Direct Basilisk shot
>10 Hullpoints shaved off
>Landraider a crippled rolling coffin
>Guard blob opens up
>The machine spirit inside dies an anguished death by a hundred lasgun pinpricks


DAT FLUFF
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>>52873701
You wish. Wouldn't be fluffy, you'll have to either take RW or Scouts alongside because that's how the fluff describes them operating.

Or you could play the new anything-goes method (which is just Unbound without points, but we renamed it so it's totally new and revolutionary).
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Frontline gaming just confirmed that they have been playtesting the new rules and are "super excited" without telling dick.

So it's going to be "TO jerkoff because it's haaard" the edition.
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>>52874701
Was this just the "FW is still a thing" bit, or did they say something specific to FoC or any of the IA volumes? Kinda skimmed the Q+A because shit to do.
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>>52874840
Leave them anon, they are so assblasted they will probably quit the hobby if we dont give them attention.
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>>52873752
INDEED
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>>52874826
As a bonus now your baneblade main gun can only kill a single unit! Boy, what a vehicle buff 8th end will be!
>>
itt

The storm of shitposting

>tfw I love tyranids and don't give a shit about no narrative spotlight and can still kek at the dank shitposters
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>>52874557
>Autistic Devouring dot pee en gee
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>>52874273

>cant even outsell Warmachine
>the third best selling miniature wargame, second if you disqualifies X-wing as a toy with added rules.

So... yea AoS actually did it, thanks for proving a point.
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>>52874877
>WHEN YOU HATE EACH OTHER IDEOLOGICALLY TO THE VERY CORE BUT CAN STILL AGREE ON ONE THING
>FUCK
>XENOS
>FAGS

FEELS GOOD TO BE NON-ALIEN SCUM
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>>52874855
>Frontline gaming
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>>52874826
That can already happen with scatter.
But most likely
Roll To Hit
Roll the amount of Wounds (1-2d6 my guess, maybe even d3 if missed)
Roll To Wound
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>>52874826

Probably roll a single attack to hit as normal, then deals a number of wounds to the unit.
Makes blasts a little bit more effective versus single model units like vehicles/MCs.
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>>52874842
>Hundred lasgun pinpricks

Wow, that might average out to .2 wounds against something that's almost a smoldering wreck anyway!

It'd be easy for them to make vehicles fine even if they aren't 100% immune to lasgun.
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>>52874878
I still like it. IG had problem dealing with MC. Now i can potentially oneshot them.
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>>52873967
Always an ausfag or a leaf... Do you faggots get paid for shitposting here?
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>>52874670

Last rulebook I bought was 5th desu senpai, once Apocalypse happened I saw the writing on the wall and stopped buying new shit, then gradually stopped playing and I have seen nothing in the intervening decade to make me regret the decision
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>>52874896
Can you not read? It's listed as the 4th best selling.
1: x-wing
2:40k
3:warmachine
4:AoS
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>>52874835

If I'm so dumb why am I reaping such a mighty harvest of (you)s? Muhreenfags triggered af because my shitposts hit too close to home
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>>52874628

Who knows. All this AoS "give new releases to a new game" theme GW has been running gets me quite curious. And judging by the Ironjawz release we where all a bit surprised that the orks actually got something .. well, orky, I guess.

New models means new rules, as GW has always made rules for models, not models for rules. If they make beefcake orks in 40k, the way they did Ironjawz in AoS, you bet they will rip and tear a new anus on anything they fight!
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>>52874878

>can only kill a single unit
So?
It'll probably deal mad damage that 1 unit, so Baneblades can actually go toe-to-toe with other Super Heavies.
>>
Anons? Looking for a PDF copy of Ciaphas Cain: For The Greater Good. Can you hook an anon up?
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>>52874997
Fuck off back to 1d4ddit, this is the Age of Xenophobia thread
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I for one am ecstatic.

Now that the stream has confirmed riptides have been gutted I can finally play a riptide heavy gundam wing list and not have anyone moaning because it will most likely be a shit army.
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>>52874997
Come back later, it's a shitpost storm right now.
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>>52873885
We're getting new codices, it's the outdated ones being discontinued.
>>
Why's everyone talking about bad things happening to xenos? I'm lost.
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>>52874984
Meanwhile armies with a lot of cheap units are much more safe from your big guns, when you can only kill 1 unit a turn, no matter how packed they are.
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>>52874947
>cringe
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>>52875041
It'll still look like fucking garbage on the tabletop because Tau designs look fucking awful.
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>>52875053

They confirmed moving forward the narrative will focus on Chaos vs Imperium and all the xenosfags who thought the game revolved around imperials vs necrons/nids/dark eldar/orks/tau just got BTFO
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>>52875070
You look like fucking garbage.
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>>52874947
How can the male gender ever recover?
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>>52875041

People will still judge you because of their bitter memories.
Riptides weren't even crazy powerful.
Marine babies just cried so hard that everyone thought they were.
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>>52875085
At least I don't look like fucking xenos scum.

Get NPC'd faggot.
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>>52875070
4 u

Out of curiosity what do you play?
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>>52875108
Necron
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>>52875053

Xenos are NPC factions now, no new minis, no new codexes, no longer allowed in tournaments or GW stores. Once existing stocks sell out, that's the end of them. IG are also squatted, 40k is now only about space marines vs csm, the "core" of the "IP", they're also going to make a lot more primarchs and make primarchs into a more central element of gameplay
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>>52875101
true story.

How riptides got flak when the entire eldar army was a cheesefest is beyond me
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>>52875108
Definitely not an NPC race that's for sure
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>>52875063

You mean MSUs?
That meta will never not be central to 40k.
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>>52875086
Identify as transmale.
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>>52875132

>t. taufag
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>>52875084
At last playing CSM pays off! Squat the xenos filth!
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>>52875101
Naah, they were fucking broken with a stim injector.

t. CSM player
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>>52875114

Guess tau seem over designed to you then?

We're both fucked army wise so let us cry together xenos brother
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>>52875149

>t. Marine baby
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>>52875084
As a xenophile I shrug hard at this news.

>>52875124
This, on the other hand, would be... disturbing.
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>>52875041
What did they say on the stream?
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>>52875149
but it's true though innit, no hating
>>
>mfw leman will probably have around 15 wounds
>mfw fielding 3 engies and atlas recovery tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFAcOnhcpGA&ab_channel=MetallicaTV
Last game i saved 2 lemans each with 1 HP. And now there will be no bullshit oneshots.
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>>52875041
>>52875085
>>52875108
>>52875124
>>52875132
>>52875159
>>52875164
>>52875168
>angry xenosfag screaming can be heard through the monitor
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>>52875158

That's less a problem with Riptides and more to do with how GW treat CSM players. Hopefully you guys will do a lot better next edition.
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>>52875041
>not have anyone moaning because it will most likely be a shit army.

Unlikely. I got into 40K in the middle of 6e and I still got "GKs are OP, Fuck Mat Ward" all the way to early 7e.

The hate will still follow you. Just it won't (hopefully) be cheese so rock on.
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>>52873766
In the Q&A block they revealed that Vehicles and monstrous creatures will degrade as they take damage similar to how they work in AoS. I'm figuring 18 to 20 "wounds" for a land raider and ignores armor save modifiers less than -3

The any weapon can potentially damage anything is a thing,
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>>52874984
It has to actually hit things first.
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>>52875140
>That meta will never not be central to 40k.
>doesn't remember the days of 6 man las-plas squads

But I'm just saying that when you have titan grade weapons firing into the thick of an enemy army, being able to wipe out one small unit doesn't really convey the power of the weapon.
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>>52873661
>8th Ed = reskined AoS edition

Well in that case, how is AoS ruleswise? I have only the most rudimentary ideas of how WH40k works in gameplay.

Is it really "new player friendly"?
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>>52875229
AOS morale is annoying. Double turns are utterly retarded. It's average other than that.
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Q&A upload where?
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>>52875188
Where the fuck do you live?
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>>52875188
thats only 69 items on the UK store, all the books
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>>52875229
Hard to say, when people who play it suck its dick and people who hate it are mostly people who got fucked by GW by removing their game and replacing it with another.
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>>52873720
Eldar are doing fine, the only good Xenia faction, so there's no need to complain.
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>>52875259
>>52875266
He's probably using the worldwide site, which lists every single fucking book and expansion in every single fucking language.
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>>52875229
The people i know who burned their WHFB armies swear by current AoS
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>>52875259
>>52875266

I'm in the UK, they've added all the Tau and Dark Eldar stuff as well.
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>>52875252
facebook DOT com SLASH WarhammerTVteam/videos/368356113559373
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>>52875294

No they don't. One guy burned his army and he still thinks AoS is shit and he plays Warmachine now.
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Like the getout to squatting sisters and the like is "all the models we currently sell will have rules" so they could stop selling sisters and not break their word, but they havent done that so
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>>52875124
I like how none of this was ever said. Just that chaos that has been kinda ignored for years is getting some narrative focus.
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>>52875124
Nonsense.
All Xenos will be combined into the Imperium column, even the necrons and tyranids who will be mind controlled or persuaded with reborn Emperor-Roubute-Cawl shenanigans.

And then they will be made OP as fuck again with tons of new deathstar units and dozens of subfactions each.

>Chaos confirmed for the beaten whore in the middle of the ever growing Imperial Order gangbang.
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>>52874570
>Caring about initiative when you always hit first on the charge
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anyone got a link for the q and a? or was it on facebook or some gay shit?
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>>52875283

>luth drawing smut for /tg/ for free but can't commission it

baka senpai
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>>52875313
and that guy doesnt fall within "the people I know" you arse
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>>52875332
Maybe if you repeat yourself a few more times it'll become true!
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>>52875343
It was on Twitch.
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>>52873921
cause they dont get sex irl anon
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>Don't know a damn thing about the new rules
>Keep posting like I know what they're going to be
>I'm happy that armies I hate are getting nerfed
>I'm sad that my army is getting nerfed
>None of it makes any fucking difference because we don't know shit
>But if you're excited, it's just because you're a shill
Think I'm finally getting the hang of how to prepare for a new edition!
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>Hellhounds will now be better at killing individuals they can hit multiple times instead of groups of clustered, poorly positioned troops.
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>>52875380
>said the xenosfag while masturbating furiously to his tau porn
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>>52875332
>initiative is meaningless now
Slaanesh players BTFO
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This is the new gw. You better deal with it.

No amount of crying or hating will change anything. You will still buy the new models and in two years you will be defending gw right here again
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>>52875386
I know right! All I care about is my army is on the 40k site so I am safe.
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>>52875387

>why is a flamerthrower concentrated on one person more damaging than against a group of people spread out
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>>52874479
Get chaos or imperials, GW have been pretty straight forward to what they are focusing now
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>>52875409
>everyone who finds xenosfag tears delicious is a shill/fanboy
Delicious
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>>52875441
Imperials = ig?
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>>52875432
>why is a flamethrower concentrated on a single person than on three squads clustered together
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>>52875400
yeah that kinda sucks, i wonder if being higher in initiative will effect something else. also, what about assaulting through cover?
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>>52875455
More effective than*
Fuck, I need to sleep
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>>52873661
I HATE Aos but am actually looking forward to 8th. If it sucks then I stay with 30k.
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>>52875394
No I dont play warhammer
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>>52875447
Imperials = everyone under the Imperium of Man
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>>52874393
>the death of 40k
Ahahahahajajajajajaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

Whfb rage will never cease to make me smile
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>>52873936
But master I thought I was supposed to be the greatest threat.
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>>52875386
Not bad, but don't forget to also announce that you're quitting or playing an older edition instead.
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Gimme them sweet salty tears

Cant fucking wait to pick up all those cheap models on ebay as assblasted nerds crying butt tears sell off all their armies
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>>52874951
>expecting GW drones to see the world as it is
You're wasting your time anon
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>>52873873
At Least we are on the new map, so long dead but not forgotten.
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Anyone else pretty scared of the whole "EVERYTHING CAN HURT EVERYTHING GUYS!" line?

Yeah, it makes the less killy things actually capable of being a threat and potentially dangerous, but a mob of 5 Gretchin punching a Land Raider to a pile of scrap metal and similar situations sound extremely worrisome. Generally feels like any elite kind of unit that is meant to be super deadly won't feel as terrifying, with even small shit being able to destroy things.
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>>52875600
I'm pretty sure he's just shitposting anyways. They're out in force atm.
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>5 new grand alliances

>Space Marines
>Imperial Forces
>Chaos
>Xeno Empires
>Xeno Hordes (Orks and Nid bromance)

Please let this be true
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>>52875642
if they were gonna do that there's no way they'd divide space marines and imperial forces but not chaos space marines and chaos forces
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>>52874750

It another edition of

>Jobless neet scum continues to complain about entry level and maintenance prices of mid-tier-luxury hobby thread after thread after thread

DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ARSE ON THE WAY OUT
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>>52875394
>>52875491
But nice try :)
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>>52875636
Having played Age of Sigmar, that's incredibly unlikely to happen. The chance exists to be a Cool Story Moment, but in practical terms if you're even trying that sort of thing you've already lost.
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>>52875636
Anon, how many guardsmen do you think it takes to down a riptide right now? How many people are shooting lasguns at riptides? Just because something CAN hurt a land raider doesn't mean it WILL.
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>>52875229
Your sigmarine needs a 4+ to wound a dragon and a snotling, the only difference being the number of wounds which is the new toughness
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>>52875636
Fantasyfags said exactly the same thing about grots punching dragons to death in AoS.
It never fucking happens.

>hurr AoS
Just pointing it out here.
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So when are Blood Ravens going to be a proper canon chapter in the Space Marine codex?
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>>52875661
The chance shouldn't even exist
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>>52875636

It'll probably be something similar to lasguns putting a wound on a Riptide.
i.e. Not very fucking likely.
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Speak to me with optimism, /tg/. What do you hope to see next edition? What do you want to be good? To suck? Where do you hope the power level lies?
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>>52875658
>I *like* being ripped off, you filthy Poors

That's not how the wealthy stay wealthy anon.
>tfw all these nouveau riches keks shitting on muh wasp thriftiness
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>>52875658

Neets have money to spend, be it a monthly check from the government or money from their parents
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>>52875636

>but a mob of 5 Gretchin punching a Land Raider to a pile of scrap metal

for fucks sake, use a modicum of common sense.

The Land Raider can defend itself, the rest of the army can defend it. These stupid examples are just retarded.
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>>52875679
Why not?
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>>52875332
>implying they won't die mostly to shooting and then they'll charge you first to then being shot and hit in CC
>orkz
>movement 3
>melee race
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>>52875636
>Anyone else pretty scared of the whole "EVERYTHING CAN HURT EVERYTHING GUYS!" line?
No, because we are not retarded. Seriously, just try wounding Riptide with a bolter.
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>>52875669
>Anon, how many guardsmen do you think it takes to down a riptide right now?

It's a trick question because IG no longer exist
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>>52875725
> Races aren't in the spotlight right now, so they don't exist
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>>52875510
>implying it won't be a reskin for 40k with AoS rules
Good one anon :^)
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>>52875694

>Start Collecting sets are < £40 from online retailers
>Giant start collecting boxes occasionally show up containing up to 50% + savings, more if bought from online retailers.

No one is being ripped off. It has, and you can quote me, never been fucking cheaper to get into this game.

But again, keep complaining about a mid-low-price entry level luxury hobby.
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>>52875710
Because it makes no sense? There's a difference between a cool story moment and shit so silly it can't even remotely make sense.

A guardsman passing death and or to stand his ground and fire his meltagun at an oncoming tank is cool, a grot downing a land raider by kicking the treads is not.
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>>52875710
>armor plating stronger than Imperial Knights and comparable to a Titan's armor
>even having the slightest of chances to be damaged by a 50 cm tall green dude with a shank
Even if it's only going to happen once in 50.000 attacks, it still shouldn't even be possible.
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>>52875758
>It has, and you can quote me, never been fucking cheaper to get into this game.
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>>52874826
In the faq, GW mentioned that
>we’ve made sure you can add as much depth and complexity as you like
Now, maybe that's just empty rhetoric, but I'm betting that it'll end up being like SW:A with the basic ruleset and the advanced one.
Templates will then be part of the advanced rules, with a set number of dice replacing templates im the basic version.

Now, I might be completely wrong, but I don't see GW flat out saying "no more templates ever" because it really doesn't make sense from a game or business perspective to get rid of them completely, while making them optional to lower entry cost makes 100% sense.
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>>52874875
>then we can finally have 4:1 ratio of SM:CSM players and nothing else just like we always wanted
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>>52875556
>here let us take your ps4 and play this Nintendo Wii u
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>>52875693
literally all I want next edition is for Necrons to have a few victories. I don't care if we're NPC's, I can live with that, I'd already accepted that in the grand scheme of things we were never gonna win it all. I just want to have something to be proud of.
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>>52875636
You do realize that both AoS and WHFB had everything can wound anything?
40k has always been the odd man out on that issue, and the chances of 5 grots killing a land raider will probably remain next to none.
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>>52875792
You're not proud of the Carnac campaign?
Or Shield of Baal?
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>>52875787
Thats funny because youll have more fun with the wii u
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>>52875774
Those look like shit. You get what you pay for.

Seriously, you could at least have posted RT Marines. They are cheaper than current day Marines and far better quality relative to their modern day counterparts than those shitty old Dreads.
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>>52875661
The difference is that AoS is a swords and shields setting, 40k is a shooting setting, all your vehicles will die to rend wounds mass shooting meanwhile riptides will have their reactor to fend off rending with invulnerable saves
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>>52875758
>It has, and you can quote me, never been fucking cheaper to get into this game.
>>52875835
Was your post about quality, or was it about price?
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>>52875746
>Cadians exterminated
>Catachans figs 20 years old
>lemon russ and chimera kits 30 years old
>mordians/tallarn/praetorian/steel legion retired
>gaunt's ghosts replaced by Horus Faggotry
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>>52875840
theres literally nothing to back up your speculation
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>>52875811
>You do realize that WHFB had everything can wound anything?
Aside from Ethereal Units.
And the strenght/Toughness table.
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>>52874393
Oh yes, WFB, the unironically worst game GW produced since it's 6th edition, was so worth saving.
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>>52875636
>a mob of 5 Gretchin punching a Land Raider to a pile of scrap metal and similar situations sound extremely worrisome

You say that, but in a real game:

>mob of Gretchin managed to sneak up to a land raider while only losing half their number
>spend 5 turns blasting away at it with their guns and using every piece of scrap they can to try and scratch it
>finally manage to loosen one of the bolts not the tread workings
>final turn, go at that one spot with a wrench, finally manage to take off a hullpoints as the tread spirals off
>grots wreck a land raider that was already barely functioning from all the other actual anti-tank guns that crippled it
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>>52875673
>It never fucking happens.
Because AoS is "summon everything" the setting
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Just finished magnetizing my Manticore missiles. Gonna enjoy using the Emperor's Wrath all 3 times before I can't anymore.

What are you girly boys up to?
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>>52875853
>>Cadians exterminated
The ones on Cadia. There's many more in the galaxy.>>52875758
> It has, and you can quote me, never been fucking cheaper to get into this game.
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>>52875774
>paying 3.50 for a Kinder Egg's plastic container with PlayDough sausages glued onto it
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>>52875774

£3.50... 1987, so that's about £10 in today's money.

Yep, cheaper to get Battle of Vedros Dreadnought
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>>52875847
>Was your post about quality, or was it about price?
Wasn't me, I haven't replied to you until that post. I'm just saying that modern 40k has a much higher standard of model quality than RT did and it priced accordingly then about doubled after that for the MSRP

Make sure to adjust for inflation when you make your comparisons, too.
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Who else is cautiously optimistic about 8th here?
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>>52875688
That's because they wound on 6+ in this new AoS reskin lasguns will wound everything with 4+!!!
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>>52875853
>lemon russ and chimera kits 30 years old

Those were updated in 5e. Only old piece is the Basilisk gun assembly.
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>>52875897
That'll be me.
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>Stats don't cap on 10 anymore

Alright anons, what unit should have stat higher than 10?
>>52875897
>casually

I can barely wait. 7th is trash.
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>>52875893
This shit needs to be updated. Almost all of those "new" models are over a decade old at this point.
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>>52875879
Looking at my Psykana Division and wondering what I'm gonna do with 15 wyrdvanes
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>>52875864
>irst they came for WHFB, and I said nothing for I was not a WHFBfag
>then they came for Xenos, and I said nothing for I was not a Xenofag
>when they came for muh spess muhreenz there was no one left to say anything
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>>52875693
>What do you hope to see next edition?
Not an AoS reskin
>What do you want to be good?
Not imperials, chaos and eldars only
>To suck?
Eldars and tau
>Where do you hope the power level lies?
Everything stuck forever in middle tier
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>>52875941
I know that feel too. I just picked up 15 a little bit ago.
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>>52875774
Not him, but accounting for inflation and pounds to dollars, that kit is actually more expensive than the ppm for the start collecting space marines. The dread then would cost 9.34 dollars now, while the one in the start collecting costs 7.08$
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>>52875881

£2.50 for 3... so that's about £7.50

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marines - £6

http://www.triplehelixwargames.co.uk/product/space-marine-mini-pack-3-figures/ - £4.50

Keep them coming, I've proved you wrong twice so far.
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>>52875919
Land Raiders and Gorka/Morkanauts at least 15 HP if they go big with things.

Carnifex should also have ~12.

Imperial Knights, Wraith Knights, Stompas somewhere between 15 and 20.

Big Daemons and Daemon Lords should be between 10-15.
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>>52875718
>implying bolters won't wound everything on 3+ now
Anon please
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>>52875862
>And the strength/Toughness table.
S/T had everything being able to wound anything. S1 wounded T10 on a 6+
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>>52875952
>>52875969
Huh, so you have. I apparently can't do math today.
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>>52875811
>WHFB had everything can wound anything

Lies.
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>>52875780
Anon you're forgetting that GW considers AoS a depth and complex game, don't hope anything beyond an AoS reskin
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>>52875987
Its not a lie.
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>>52875969
>price of marines has remained a near constant
That's pretty cool, plus the marines in that 3 man kit cost more than the 10 man box per model.
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>>52876012
Well, we know S and T are staying, so it's at some level more complex than sigmar.
Still, a man can hope, even if that is just the road to disapoinment
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>>52875893
>doesnt miss squaking bird man and marine sitting on a pile of garbage

pleb. I bet you have cummy breath too
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>>52876018
Then how is it that I got that from a WHFB rulebook?

Because you're trying to make it sound like everything wounding everything was a thing through WHFB, when it wasn't. It's a relatively new addition.
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>>52876061

Yeah sure, but i wanted a sample grab of 1:1 with the offer.

It gets even cheaper if you wanted to factor in like the Marines from the battle forces etc
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>>52875897
Me nigga, I want to play my CWE without being labeled a WAAC faggot.
I don't even take scatbikes, wraithgaurd,
or wraithknights
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>>52875822
>paying money for a system with tablet tier games
>having this much shit taste
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>>52876085
>Because you're trying to make it sound like everything wounding everything was a thing through WHFB, when it wasn't
Oh it definitely wasn't something through every edition, I wasn't saying that, sorry if came across that way.
I'm simply pointing out that it's not sigmar exclusive, and as such not really an indication of sigmar tier simplicity with fixed to hit and to wound, esspecialy given that stats like S/T are still in 8th
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>>52875854
>GW
>not taking the half assed easy road
Stay delusional
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>>52875919

It'll be wounds that goes higher.

Although I have to admit I wish they'd moved to a higher dice system with the stats to match (would never happen though), D10 or even D20.

A 300 year old demi-god super human Space Marines, practicing for war 22 out of every 24 hours of the day should not have the same ballistic skill as a 33 year old Imperial Guard veteran.
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>>52875879
Shitposting about the impending new edition
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>>52874826
A shitton of AOS AOE weapons are "point at table in range, measure X" from it, units in that range get XD6/D3 hits"
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>>52876200
Issue with BS is that going from 2 to 5 each point is a gigantic deal, and then 6, 7 and 8 barely make any difference, so you are forced to work with 4 and lower on majority of units.

At least shooting modifiers should help with that.
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>>52876018
>using worst edition fantasy as an example
Anta baka desho?
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>>52876172
Ok.

It might be simple in terms of gameplay, and it might be difficult for a lasgun to blow up a titan, but the fact that you can do it is silly. Unless it's like you go beyond D6 and got to get 6 on the wounding roll and then another 6, or something. But still.

At least in WHFB/AoS you can explain it away with most things being living flesh, so even a knife can hurt them, and vehicles being shitty fantasy vehicles with openings, unarmoured sections, exposed crews, etc. Seeing a dude bitch-slap a titan to death will be something that will most definitely get people calling bullshit on, no matter how difficult it is.
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>>52876279
>I don't like it so it's not true
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>>52876085
>>52876018
>>52875987

You got the wrong rulebook then.
>I played Tomb Kings. Very sad when my T8 Sphinxs got Wounded by big ol' blobs of T3 dudes.
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>>52876063
>Still, a man can hope, even if that is just the road to disapoinment
See you in the pit of disappointment brother
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>>52874940
We do it so the kiwis can't have anything nice.
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>>52876307
>You got the wrong rulebook then.

How is a WHFB rulebook not a WHFB rulebook? Just because 8th and AoS did it, doesn't mean it was always like that.
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>>52876295
>It might be simple in terms of gameplay, and it might be difficult for a lasgun to blow up a titan, but the fact that you can do it is silly.
I mean, if it's difficult enough to do, then it's technically just like real life. Theoretically you could punch a tank apart, it would just take a lot of time. And frankly massed lasguns destroying vehicles isn't that ridiculous, shine enough light on anything and the heat will melt it.
>Unless it's like you go beyond D6 and got to get 6 on the wounding roll and then another 6, or something. But still.
It's not impossible, that is how 7+ and so on work. If they have that for shooting, I see no reason why they couldn't do it for wounding too.
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>>52876328
>road to disapoinment
>The pit of disappointment

It's why Deathguard are being released on release with 8e. Nurgle is the god of apathy and disappointment after all.
>>
So are squats coming back in 8th?
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>>52874141
>Implying the Orkz aren't already at their endgame.
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>>52876378
>GW gives Tzeentch, the god of hope and change, a major release before nurgle, the god of despair and entropy.
>build up players hopes with the changes of 8th, then change little and leave everyone disappointed
P O T T E R Y
O
T
T
E
R
Y

bravo nolan
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>>52876241

Absolutely. This is why I think it'd have been really interesting to move to D20 system (Although it would have never happened). That way you could demonstrate the massive difference in skill between a Space Marine and a Guardsman.

Because like you say, just upping a stat by 1 is a huge difference, with diminishing returns past 5 (for WS and BS for example)
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>>52876401
Pretty much confirmed
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>>52876374
>Theoretically you could punch a tank apart

In theory there is not difference between theory and practice, in practice there is.
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>>52876418
>Absolutely. This is why I think it'd have been really interesting to move to D20 system (Although it would have never happened).
They did include D8s D10s and D12s in burning of prospero, so the chances of them reusing that in the future for 40k isn't impossible, though still unlikely.
Someone might as well ask about it on the next QnA, not like it could hurt.
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>>52876299
>I'll cherry pick and pass it as an undeniable truth
>most fantasy editions had >>52875987 like charts with a minimum strength to wound a toughness value
Anata baka desu
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>>52876352
They are stupid anon newfags no matter the system
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>>52876487
>implying I said that most editions had everything can wound anything
Just because you interperted something in a certian way doesn't mean that's what I actually said.
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>>52876374
Anon you can't take a 20 and punch a tank apart as you can't take a 20 and release yourself form duck tape.

Taking a 20 in game where each round of turn is no more than 6 seconds if not a minute makes no sense. That is why a guy punching a Titan down like a AoS system looks stupid as fuck.
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>>52876479
Didn't 2e use more than just D6s?
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>>52875897
I'm entirely, openly optimistic, it sounds a thousand times better than the current clusterfuck which only sees a fraction of existing models on the table.
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>>52874951

Yea I was referring to Warmachine as the third best selling game, and that AoS was just below that, a pretty good figure for a game that supposedly doesn't sell at all, according to the nay sayers.

>Refer to Warmachine
>Refer to it as the third best selling game

So yea... can you not read?
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I've been playing too much eternal crusade so I decide to make an eldar army based off all the fun shit I've played and done in the game
How's this?
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>>52874073

WELCOME TO DARK ELDAR WORLD
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>>52876526

Yep, D4, D8 (I think), D10... can't remember if D20
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>>52876524
>Taking a 20 in game where each round of turn is no more than 6 seconds if not a minute makes no sense.
Which is why the chance would have to be ridiculously low, like one in a billion or trillion.I'm simply saying the concept isn't ridiculous, but the final product's quality depends upon the execution.
>That is why a guy punching a Titan down like a AoS system looks stupid as fuck.
It's definitely looks stupid, I'm not denying that.
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>>52875897
Why do GSC have the best faces, they all seem so happy?
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>>52875819
I'm proud of them, I'm just saying I don't want to spend the entirety of next edition with no victories.
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>>52876523
>I'll derail the point that was being discussed so I don't look like a fucking idiot
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>>52876631
I was only pretending to be retarded.
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>>52876561
Gants can now wreck a LR

STEP BACK ORKS, THIS IS A TYRANID MANS GALAXY
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>>52876526
>>52876571

D3, D4, D6, D10, D12, D20
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>>52876560
You'll get one amazing turn of shredding huge amounts of infantry before the enemy close in on your guardians (if there's any enemies left) and you're a bit light on the antitank. See if you can fit any Fire Dragons in a Wave Serpent if you wanna stick with the Eternal Crusade theme.
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>>52876601
It should be imposible. Period

Punching a tank to death even with AV10 with S3 was imposible with AoS you could punch to death a AV15 with S1.

I'm hoping the system is not as retarded as AoS and they fucking remove the WS table it is retarded that a Grot has the same chance to hit a Greater demon than a marine.
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>>52876571
I don't think it did, but I think I saw D12 somewhere as well. Could be wrong.

I wouldn't mind having them for some things. Need to get new dice and cram them into my already packed tin.
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>>52876631
You're the one who got triggered when I said the very true statement that everything being able to wound anything was in WHFB and derailed the entire thing into a debate over semantics because I didn't specify the exact edition that that came to be
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>>52875313
I mean, he does play warmachine, which should tell you a lot about his actual taste and general personality.
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>>52876643
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>>52876661
Jesus fuck, could you fuck off and die in a ditch, Stop making it so blatantly obvious that you don't even play this fucking game.

A guardian platoon will never, ever kill a riptide. They have a chance of doing so, but said chance is so minuscule that it will never actually realize.

Now stop being fucking autismo and fuck off.
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>>52876719
>A guardian platoon will never, ever kill a riptide
Actually, I've blade stormed quite a few riptides to death but then again I take lots of guardians.
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>>52876719
Who the fuck talk about Riptide I'm talking about vehicles


Get the fuck out NPC
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Am I alone in not having a problem with a horde of Grots damaging a Land Raider?

In the new edition a Land Raider on 1 wound is going to be an incredibly damaged and wounded thing indeed. Armour plates hanging off, smoking holes across its surface, tracks barely holding together.

When all of a sudden 20 Grots swarm all over it, yanking out wires, smashing viewing ports, jamming pipes and shanks into the engine components, climbing inside the vehicles and tearing at controls, attacking the crew as they sit in the driver's compartment.
Do I literally think they are punching it to death? No. But for fucks sake use your imagination.
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>>52875283
MOAR
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>>52875283
Based Luth.
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>>52876779
Majority of the thread is fine with it.
>>52876757
>Who the fuck talk about Riptide I'm talking about vehicles
Have you tried not being stupid?
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>>52876757
>implying that there's any real material between vehicles and tau mechs
They're both made of metal anon, don't be a retard.
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>>52876779
Pretty much. You would need a whole army of Grits in order to kill a single land raider, and at that point it's probably more of a matter of too many corpses clogging up the treads and workings to immobilizer and disable it.
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>>52876779
The thing is, those grots can potentially also render it into that state from a brand new, freshly anointed tank off the assembly line.

>inb4 "A new tank? Well clearly the machine spirit was inexperienced and weak, its armour not hardened in the heat of battle, and its essence not blessed by the Omnissiah for its years of service."
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>>52875749
>implying that's even a bad thing
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>>52876868
Not really. At best, they might shave off 1 point out of a much larger pool. At that point, it's a matter of them fucking up a weaker joint or piece like one of the guns.
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Itt: people that bet against the underdog every time in pro sports

>bbut they can't possibly win
>the stats don't give them any chance
>it makes no sense, they weren't the better team

Nay sayers btfo, I love the idea of a grot maybe being able to destroy a land raider, and I play marines.

DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS
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>>52876903
>At best

At best they all hit, they all wound and the tank fails all of its saves. I've seen Riptides that have killed themselves without the enemy doing anything.
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>>52873764
>"things can only get better!" they said
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>>52876967
>I Don't Actually Play The Game: The Post
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>>52876967
And at that point, you're talking about a case where all the Grits somehow manage to strike the tank at exactly the same time, with the resulting vibrations shaking it at the precise frequency to cause it to fall apart.

It's never going to happen, and if it does it's just another case of Orks being Orks
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I am very interested to see what happens with deathwatch in the new edition. No formations would fundamentally change how they are organized into units.

The power-level based listmaking could actually benefit them very well due to the large expenditures on wargear...
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>>52876983
Nigga you now have hoards of cheap massed infantry that can wound anything 8th is bringing hordes back and Making Tyranid Great Again
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>>52877008
>I Don't Actually Play The Game: The Post

Nova Charge hurts the thing on 1 and 2 with no saves allowed and heavy burst cannon is 12 shots and Gets Hot!, so statistically 2 wounds per firing. The other player didn't cause a single wound to the Riptide, it failed its Nova twice and when it finally got it to work, rolled a bunch of Gets Hot! and failed a bunch of saves.

If you make something possible through chance, no matter how hard, it will happen.
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I didn't quite understand how the game will work when 8th drops.

So, all current codices are invalid.
They will still release them, but not immediately for every faction at launch?

How is this addressed?
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Shit, I'm out of the loop. What did I miss? Some shit about grots killing tanks?
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These threads aren't any better than One Piece threads on /a/. 4chan has never been shittier
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I hope Eldar will still be good.
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>>52877220
Like with AoS.
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>>52877230
What happened? Are they still bitching about Jubei joining the Strawhats?
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some faggot said codexes/codices will be null when 8th comes out, I want to know if this is even remotely true and if they addressed this in the stream
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>>52877220
I believe that all armies are getting a balance patch based on the old codexes for free day one and then there are a bunch of codex supplements with new ways to use older units
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>>52877220
Codices are basically going to become what supplement books are now. The rules for factions will be released in army books that will be available on Day 1, and each book will have multiple armies in them based on certain criteria (Imperial, Inquisition, Xenos, ect)
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>>52877222
A joke 14 years in the making.
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>>52877254
Q: How will I get access to the rules for my army
A: Everyone will get their new rules Day 1. On launch there will be a series of 5 books. On that day there will be all rules available. All points have been rebalanced and units have been play tested. When your codex comes out it will include new command points, etc. Army special rules, etc.


Q: People asking about I bought a rulebook or codex fairly recently and now it won’t be valid. What should I do?
A: Everything we have launched in the new game - our customer service people will send vouchers for the value of their purchase for last 8 weeks if you have proof of purchase. Email customer service team on GW website and they will sort you out.


Literal Golden age soon
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>>52877243
worry not anon, space elves will always be top dog. after all Kelly likes the army
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>>52877254
They did address it. All current rules are dead. Rules for the game and armies will be out at launch. Codices will launch later with specific Force Org, art, and all that good stuff.
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>>52877254
Yes.

They're doing a AoS style warscroll release for all units, including forge world ones, when 8th drops.
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>>52877203
>heavy burst cannon is 12 shots and Gets Hot!, so statistically 2 wounds per firing
Taufag detected. Shooting a Nova'd HBC statistically inflicts a mere 0.33 wounds from Gets Hot, and that's BEFORE the FNP we know you would give it. Also, Markerlights/the ECPA can be used to just reroll those to hit rolls of 1, turning the entire thing into a fucking nonissue.

Only the reactor itself is in any way dangerous, and between ECPA and FNP, or fucking BOTH, that's not a problem either.
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>>52877278
>>52877292
Oh for fuck sakes, I guess that means I don't have to pirate the next codex editions now
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SPACE MARINES
IMPERIAL FORCES
CHAOS
XENO EMPIRES
XENO HORDES

MARK MY FUCKING WORDS
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>>52877250
I stopped viewing them for good last thursday. It's never, ever been worse. It wasn't good even a year ago, but it really is unbelievable how many underage and sheeple have flooded this place. It's time to grow up.
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>>52877324
Naa one of them will be dedicated to eldar. More likly chaos, marines impetuial agents, eldar and the rest
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>>52877305
>Taufag detected.

Because something highly improbably happened?

Man, keep being arguing over nothing, I'm not taking your bait anymore.
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>>52877392
Not even him, I stepped in when I saw you spouting bullshit. Hes, a Riptide can kill itself with Gets Hot. No, it's not going to happen unless the Taufag gets incredibly unlucky. Literally the same as Grots killing a Land Raider.

No, that doesn't make Riptides balanced.
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I cant find any files on the Kill team rules, are they there and Im blind? Or just not uploaded?
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>>52877247
>>52877260
>>52877274


Thanks for answering. I dont play AoS, so I am not exactly sure I understand it right.

So, base rules are free and come with stats, special rules, equip options, point costs etc. for every model in the game.

What are the new type of codices, then? Like "paid DLC"? What do these include in AoS?
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>>52877529
They release all the codexes and the main for free online to start with but then sell them in books.

This is just to kick start 8th.
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>>52877575
sooo does that mean you get say space marines for freebees but if you want to play one of the non-codex marines you need to buy the correct supplement when it's released?
(I don't AoS so dunno how this works)
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>>52877529
I'll give you the AoS example

All of the rules for the units are free

The Battletomes for each faction contain traits, artefacts, battalions etc. that are specific to that faction, just like how a codex contains warlord traits, relics, and formations.

So you can play the game fine with just the free unit rules, but if you get the Codex you'll have extra stuff and of course all dat lore.
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>>52877657
No, all models that exist already will have updated rules that will be available for free after release.
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>>52877657
No, it means all the marines get a free codex for now but when, say, blood angels get a new codex they'll release BATTLE TOME: BLOOD ANGELS with all their rules in, including the rules for the new unit.
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>>52877709
>>52877721

ah okay, but does that mean we're going to end up with "even more super spechul marines" for the non-codex chapters to justify the new book or will it just be new formations equivalents and command point rules do you think?
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>>52873661
>implying
>>52877886
>not AoS
>>52877886
>wounding land raiders with bolters is fine
>>52877886
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>>52877915
I think they are (rightly) doing away with formations. I think there is going to be 14 different FOCs each worth a certain number of "command points" that seem to have some basic abilities given in the core rules to all factions and then codices will give unique uses to factions.
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>>52873779
>>52873763
Looking to be a bad update for the Leman Russes right now. If facings are no longer a thing, and the idea with the Russ wa being cheap and strong at the cost of a critical weakness, then that means it must be getting either more expensive or weaker now that critical weaknesses aren't a thing anymore.
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4wN-6BdRhC5UThhU255VE9WMzA

leaked
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>>52878210
Works for me

AoS > 40k 7th ed
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>>52877575


Wait, so the codices are basically just optional
as all the units are already in the basic book?
What is the point then? That is not GW as I know it from 5th ed
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>>52873763
That rarely came up for most weapons anyway, it was usually only relevant for massive and apocalyptic which I expect will have special rules to reflect it
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>>52878271
What was the point of codexes to begin with? It's the age of EZ piracy and the local library's got a printer. I'll grab my own $60 codex for $20.00 if you include the gas.

GW finally figured out what the internet is and is adapting. New GW is just slightly savvier old GW
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>>52873661
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So I haven't played since 6th edition's release, and now there's looking to be 8th edition on the horizon.
I was thinking on jumping back into the hobby with Nids. Does the start collecting tyranids boxed tyrant come with wings? I'm sort of looking between buying two of those, or buying the nid swarm box and 2 tyrants.
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>>52878778
also what the fuck are these shield things this guy's got on his arms?
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>>52878819
Giant vibrodildos
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>>52878623

Well, no.

It's clear the rules and codexes were awfully overpriced, but you simply needed to shell out $100+ to even know how the game works (models not included).

GW changed over the past two years (they got a new CEO as you might have heard) and realized that it's easier to get new players into the game (which is important) by giving the rules away for free so they can spend those hundred bucks on models instead.

GW finally got some sense
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>>52878778


Yes, the sprue the tyrant comes in includes all options.

Buy what you like as noone can tell you now what's going to be good. In today's stream they said that every unit got platested and will be viable.

The weapons in your second image are from the Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit
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