Modern General

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>>52862485

Picking up where we left off

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>cast red monument
>cast grinning ignus
>???
>win with grapeshot

Can I get a status report on this meme?

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If Mox Opal gets banned, it'll be time to riot. I don't think it will be banned, but that's something to keep in mind.

>>52862683
>implying they won't ban the cheapest payoff card Signal Pestttt

>>52861838
>>52861799
>1 cmc to cast removal
>1 cmc to cast bird
>can't use any exile effects

You say that, but bonepicker is actually harder to activate than Heir. That said, the deathtouch is very relevant. If both are on the field, I'll take bone picker any day. But if both are in my hand, I'll go with Heir. Even if I do have a Fatal Push in my hand.

>>52862619
here's your status update: it gets bolted when it comes onto the field and you can't respond by putting it back in your hand

>>52862619
Not on instant speed.

It's shit.

>>52862788
The exile downside doesn't matter in the right deckbuild. With Bolts, Pushes and Terminates you don't need path.
I tried the guy as a 2of in grixis delver and he felt reasonable.
Powerful one mana play that requires a condition you often want to do anyways. Has some neat tech with fulmy/shriekmaw, may the high cmc will result in cute things with Pod

>>52862952
>may the high cmc will result in cute things with Pod
>with Pod
>Pod
Are you trying to anger people?

>>52862943
>>52862848
>/tg/ not knowing you can't respond to a mana ability
>le instant beed
top chuckle

Aside from counterspell/thoughtseize, only artifact removal stops it
>inb4 "momument dies to decay!"

>>52862998
>activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery
retard

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>>52862848

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>>52863029
>>52863034
top laugh, friend.

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>>52862952
>with Pod

Oh how I wish

>>52862998
The responding part doesn't matter, since it doesn't need to tap. The problem is that it has to be played on your turn.

It needs a good R/B discard and kill shell.

>>52863051
>tfw no one has realized this is the DS killer
Fools desu

>>52863066
I didn't know Tempest is legal in modern.

>>52863029
What that means is that, if Grinning Ignus triggers an ability when it enters the battlefield, opponent will have priority and you can't use its ability in response.

If nothing happens though, then you have priority and can use its ability, which is a mana ability that doesn't use the stack so it can't be responded to.

>>52862619
Seems strong, although I still think it's weaker than Twin

It's Monored though, so it could go in Skred or something. It's only a 9-10 card package (depending on if you want one or two grapeshots) and it dodges most removal.

>>52863081
>dies to norin
Drats!
>>52863059
not even sure on the cards other monument, ignus and a grapeshot, just thought it was a reasonable interaction that has meme potential with a sorta-low opportunity cost (two ramp cards)
>>52863080
>I just thought...
IS THAT YOU VHATI?

>>52863066
>boltable
>pathable
>pushable
>4 mana
>legendary
>G/B
Turrible... just turrible

Just use Condemn

>>52862619
You need more red mana, won't work

>>52863080

I didn't know Vhati wasn't in time spiral

>>52862619
>>52862998
Watch a magic expert explain.


It doesn't go infinite. With monument the cast and return is 1RR, but you are getting back 2R. You need a way to convert colorless mana into red or you'll only be able to do it for however many mountains you have.

>>52863080
Timeshifted. They had to rewrite the story to include him, but WotC Future Future League insisted that Modern wouldn't survive Death's Shadow without him in the format.
>>52863186
>survives tarfire
>survives kcommand
>survives decay
If he was 5cmc he wouldn't be playable. He's the best 4drop in BGx for the DSJ matchup, if you don't sideboard a Vhati you're basically conceding the round famalam.

>>52863231
The real money is gemstone array + heartless summoning + altar of the brood

Or paradox engine + smokebraider. Actually I bet with smokebraider, ignus, paradox engine, and various exert cards you could make a pretty good monored deck in modern

>>52863241
Why bother, if you're playing G/B why aren't you playing DSJ?

>>52863261
There's probably a very good deck somewhere between nest of scarabs and crumbling ashes as well. The BR cycles from Lorwyn/Shadowmoor might be worth revisiting in earnest post-amonkhet

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Would this in any way, shape, or form work? Or is it too slow?

>>52863231
You've foiled the meme

>>52863305

How exactly is this a combo and not just a mediocre interaction between two cards not on curve with one another that relies on your opponents drops or hurting your own t1/t2 play?

>>52863305
works breddy gud in commander

not so much for 60 card constructed. instead of T3 nest into T4 bsz you would probably be better putting down something like skinrender or soul snuffers.

BSZ does make a good pseudo wrath though.

>>52863305

The problem is that the turn you drop nest of scarabs you have essentially done nothing. Also the payoff isn't that great.

>>52863305
Nest only cares if ONE or MORE -1/-1 counter is placed by an effect, not EACH counter. So, only 1 token. It's a really bad interaction, but does technically interact.

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>>52863305
>blocks your path

>>52863305
Honestly could probably work if you focus a ton of the removal on -1/-1 counters. Survive the early turns with lots of discard and use bugs as the wincon.
It seems like a really weak payoff card but I could see bsz and a bunch of bugs being nasty. Could always run some brutality/lilly to ditch your meme cards and just goodstuff em out.

>>52863382

>bsz does make a good pseudo wrath

You've gotta be joking

Anon, if you want to play this combo, play Damnation or Yahenni's expertise. Both will give you far more value without the stupid brick and neither is already more than fringe modern playable.

>>52863407
Wrong. You get a token for each counter.

>>52863407

Nest of scarabs says "create that many".

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>spent 30 dollars each back on the day on this card
>now it's not even played

How do I make her good again?

>>52863474
Sideboard of UWx control

Or meme it up with Angel Moon

>>52863428
>>52863446
Whoops. Maybe I should read the card completely before I make an idiot of myself.

>>52862619
>>52863231
Okay lads, there's still hope for the Hazos Monumeme..
Either A) the deck runs some sort of mana filter combo piece, which seems shitty
or B) the deck is filled with ways to somehow make it works using the dig power of Monument, such as Manamorphose and maybe Simians/Rituals. It doesn't need to be a solid loop for Grapeshot to kill, it just needs to generate a high storm count.

>>52863622
If it's not a pseudo two card combo it's going to be a worse Storm or a worse Ad Naus and it won't be worth playing.

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>>52863622
It also needs the cards in hand, looting will only get you so far, so you need card advantage. Which means Serum Visions, Sleight of Hand, Think Twice are all options. So rituals, card selection spells. You know what goes good with rituals? Discounting on mana costs, so Goblin Electromancer and Baral are both good here, and they also discount card selection spells.

Ooh. I have a brilliant idea: what if we used Past in Flames to cast MORE spells for our lethal Grapeshot?

>>52862579
I really do think this can be a card. I think the deathtouch is really being overlooked

>>52863622
>>52863977
ayy lmao

Is there any reason to play modern if you're not playing Tier 1?

>>52864105
Sure. The difference between tier 1 and tier 1.5 and 2 isn't all that huge.

>>52864105
fun?

>tfw u beat tier 1 decks with a tier 3 meme deck

>>52862579
With this and Fatal Push, Grixis Delver (of Secrets) is gonna be top tier.

>>52862619
Traditional storm still seems more reliable, since you get more ritual cards, and more cost reducers. With this you just have Grinning Ingus as a combo piece, and Priest of Urabrask as a traditional ritual?

>>52864105
Well, tiers only indicate how much a deck is played, not necessarily how powerful a deck is. (But there is a correlation between power and popularity). Tier 1 are great choices or what decks you will definitely see, tier 2 are good choices or what you will probably see, and tier 3 are solid choices. There's lots of times where a "tier 3" deck can steamroll a tournament because the top meta is perfect for it.

Basically, play what you want because the tier system doesn't really matter much outside of gauging popularity.

>>52864119
>shit that never happens

>>52863602
It's okay, it happens.

fag

>>52864105

Tiers are really only how many people are playing each deck. At FNM level, You can pick up a T2 or T3 deck and still beat T1 if you learn the deck inside out and get really good at piloting it.

That said, this doesn't mean you can just brew a pile of shit and expect to win. But on the other hand, that's how Lantern Control and Kiki-Chord were began.

Do you guys think that Fling in the Amonkhet block will become a new thing for standard?

>2 cost spell to destroy a card with X power to hit target player for X life.

>>52864383
ask standard fag

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>>52864383
>Kari Zev's Expertise into Fling
I am ready for this meme.

>>52864361
>But on the other hand, that's how Lantern Control and Kiki-Chord were began.
Kiki-Chord is part of the Pod diaspora

But you're right that decks like Lantern Control and Amulet Bloom are just piles of jank that people tuned until they became viable

>>52864383
No clue, don't follow Standard except for seeing the meme Gideon tribal deck.

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>>52864282
>implying it doesn't happen

>tfw meme tron out of the game with land destruction and a solid clock
>tfw ingot chewer affinity's shit up
>tfw local eldrazi tron shitter is an idiot that slams chalice on 1 even in our games 2 and 3 because he doesn't actually think about the plays he makes
>I'll admit DSJ gives me a hard time some games but I've beaten them before. main deck faerie macabre to turn off delirium in response to traverse is a laugh

>>52864436
>>tfw local eldrazi tron shitter is an idiot that slams chalice on 1 even in our games 2 and 3 because he doesn't actually think about the plays he makes
People like to meme about Eldrazi and Tron players being dumb, but that's actually an impressive level of dumbness

>>52864421

bone splinters is already in standard, so i don't know if fling will change much

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>>52864436
>living end
>tier 3 meme deck
Living End is tier 2.

>also
>tfw have Arcbound Ravager in play
>sac board in response to Living End
>ayy lmao

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>>52864452
>tfw not one but two of the guys on eldrazitron at my store have tried naming chromatic sphere with pithing needle
Some people are too stupid to win.

>>52864496
yeah ravager is a whore and a half. but they basically just fold to the cascade if they don't have one out, or you survive long enough to beast within that shit first

>>52863155
>dies to norin
Nope, Norin is a cast trigger, not ETB

>>52864496
>Living End is tier 2
living end. according to mtgtop8 data for the past two months, has <1% of the meta share. it's a pretty fringe tier 3 deck at the moment.

>>52862485
So, question:

I've been out of the loop for the last 2 years. Why is Death's Shadow raping the format? Hasn't it been printed since forever? Why has it risen now?

>>52864772
Just wait till tomorrow. Gets new toys.

>>52864787
Fatal Push > Terminate in a deck that wants to be that fast

Traverse the Ulvenwald slots perfectly into the shell; easy to enable, gives you Shadow 5-8 to help consistency

Big mana decks like Eldrazi and Tron forced slower fair decks out of the format, so only Death's Shadow's aggressive but grindy gameplan can compete

>>52864787
>I've been out of the loop for the last 2 years. Why is Death's Shadow raping the format? Hasn't it been printed since forever? Why has it risen now?

So 2 years ago wizards made 2 cards: become immense, and temur battle rage. These two cards along with some value pyrexian mana spells and other made a 9/9 shadow with protection fairly easy to build. Gitaxian Probe was banned, people realized shadow was pretty decent in a JUND shell.

Basically, JUND/JUNK rape your hand(and thus answers) so they play the best/cheapest vanilla creatures mana can buy. DS is usually like a 5+/5+ for {B} when you'd play him in that shell.

>>52864787
they banned gitaxian probe and made memers realize that the izzet blitz but worse meme deck people were trying to force was bad.

people adapted and it turns out the new deck was a better death's shadow deck than any iteration before. traverse the uvenwald also gives the deck a lot of gas. they run like, eight actual threats, but traverse is copy 9-12 of "fat undercosted beatstick"

>>52864787
People made a build with Traverse the ulvenwald and free cantrips and made it very disruptive. It's basically the bastard child of infect and Jund

>>52864838
People were switching to Jundish builds before the probe ban online. DSJ with probe looked a little more all in on battle rage as opposed to the grind we see right now.

>>52864836
>>52864838
>>52864878
Okay, thanks for the history lesson.

So I'm coming back now. Can someone give me a meta overview?

I play Naya Blitz Zoo (Or will when I finish the manabase), am I even more fucked than two years ago? (Yes I am aware of Revolt Zoo and am considering it since I would just need to buy the revolt card)

How is MartyrProc? Is it fun? Do you think it will be at least tier 2 one day?

>>52864914
It's fun, it can be pretty fragile though. Getting your Martyrs or Ascendants extracted feels really bad.

I don't think it will ever be much higher tier than it is now, WotC doesn't print enablers for that kind of deck very often, and GY strategies are always vulnerable to hate.

>>52864911
naya blitz is still pretty decent. I'm not terribly familiar with revolt zoo (haven't seen it in person yet anyway) but if the cards aren't too expensive, it wouldn't hurt to try it out right?

>>52864496
I cycle with the new archfiend of ifnir out and laugh to the bank

>>52864911
>Can someone give me a meta overview?
death's shadow jund is the top dog.

affinity and burn are still eternal tier 1 but infect got curb stomped and never recovered, RIP

dredge fell out of the scene after the grave troll ban but is making an insane crawl back from the grave

eldrazi tron is also tier one because eldrazi are still stupid and slamming chalice on 1 is a good play against many decks

other death shadow variants, regular tron, bant eldrazi, and titanshift have slipped into tier 1.5

Surprisingly, UR storm has clawed it's way up and is a solid top tier 2 or possibly even 1.5 deck. expect bans soon. ad nauseam has also made strong showings lately.

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>>52865078
I left exactly when Eldrazi started raping Modern.

I actually never broke into the format due to being into a shitty countryside city on third world country, but now I'm on a bigger city with a bigger Modern community, and I already have the deck almost done (But I think my manabase is still way too inconsistent - need a few more fetches and shocks).

Anyways, thanks!

>>52864990
Annoying, but not enough on its own to laugh to the bank. You are still facing down a giant artifact that got the +1/+1 counters as well as any masters, etched champions, and good ol' ornithopter unless you can cycle again, so you still need ingot chewer (and have it be my turn or just have it in hand) or have or some other removal.

>Buy three Modern Masters 3 Packs
>One for me and one of two of my friends to crack for fun and as a gift
>Crack mine
>Goblin Guide
>Friend 1 cracks his
>Verdant Catacombs
>Friend 2 cracks his
>Tarmogoyf

Whelp.

>>52865078
>dredge fell out of the scene after the grave troll ban
I'm surprised it even left the scene. A 6 to a 5 is weaker, but it won't completely destroy the deck that it can't be winning. Hell some games playing dredge, yo udon't see GGT at all.

>>52865151
Maybe in some tier 2 control decks. Tier one decks won't look at them.

>>52865207
Dredge with GGT had to run less dredgers as a whole and the shift is more life 5-6 to 4-5 with some 2's and 3's thrown in for extra consistency. Also It was pretty unlikely for dredge to not see GGT in the first few turns when he was legal

t. Dredge Nazi

>>52865196
Hardcasting GGT to win was a thing that happened oddly often.

>>52865243
True, hard to deal with a 25/25 regenerating creature late game

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>*blocks your path*

what do you do?

>>52865302
Resolve an Ensnaring Bridge while hellbent.

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>>52865302

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>>52865330
>suddenly appears and laughs at your bridge

Was gonna play modern but the post office lost my order of shit I needed for my deck. It's a sign.

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>>52865302
destroy everything.

>>52865397
A sign that the post office is shit.

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>>52865404
>everything

Crack fetch, fatal push. You didn't say he brought friends.

>Serum Visions with Phyrexian art

It just fits too perfectly. Splinter Twin will be unbanned tomorrow.

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My uni games club is running a full proxy modern tournament. No Amonkhet, for some reason. What deck should I bring? I really want to try out Skred, but I'm not sure if that's really going to be that viable.

We're talking full proxy here so price is no object. Personally I wanna pilot something fun, i.e., not just burn/midrange, but I know very little about the current meta so I thought I'd ask for suggestions.

Any ideas?

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You're playing a G/B deck.

You come across this.

What do you do?

>>52865383
>implying I have either pithing needled, decayed or extracted plating

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>>52865425
Don't worry, I have answers for that too.

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So I don't play modern due to my meta being legacy and standard dominant not so bad on legacy but horrible standard but I want to get a group together and want to know what deck would be a good start and money is not an issue but I don't want to spend more than $800 for now, unrelated question I got this today and one of the standard players was telling me that this will see play in modern, is it just talking out the ass?

>>52865456
Not give a fuck. It's a 2/2

>>52865456
>path to exile
>pass

>>52865456
cast tons of Goyfs and Death Shadows and bash my way through that shit defense.

>>52865451
lantern control

watch as the whole club collectively kick you out

>>52865451
>I want to play a meme budget deck in a proxy tournament
???

Just play DSJ.

>>52865456
you should at least tell us what the pithing needle targetted

>>52865468
That standard player is a retard, that will see no pay in modern.

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>>52865457
>>52865462

>>52865468
She's not terrible but there isn't any deck in the format she slots into. Definitely good in a Kruphix commander deck though.

If you have $800 you can afford a lot of decks in the format - what is it you enjoy playing? pretty much everything but control is playable in modern.

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This gal is getting ready to slap your waifu's ass turning it into a hentai.

What do you do?

>>52865514
I think the implication is that it targeted the knight.

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>>52865520

>>52865468
Burn is always a good start. Living End is supposedly fun. Affinity is solid.

Also, I highly doubt that Nissa will see much play. She does basically nothing amd there isn't a shell that can fit her in well. Also, the format doesn't care much about 4+ mana walkers (outside of niche cases like Tron or UWx Control).

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>>52865535
15 1/1 flying squirrel tokens.

>>52865490
Very tempting but is there a certain build that wouldn't just go to time every match? If I know that deck right the win condition is milling your opponent out draw by draw.

>>52865518
>>52865531
Figured as much which is why I'm using it for EDH. For decks I play in legacy I have Lich, Goblins, and Taxes.

>>52865559
Got a list for living end?

>>52865560
you need 21 squirrels

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>>52865535
Jokes on you, Emmy IS my waifu!

>>52865627
Nope. Cast it after annihilator resolves but before blockers are declared.

>>52865559
>>52865078
>>52864789

So, Do you guys think any of the new cycling cards have a place in Living End?

>>52865614

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-living-end-33406#paper

You can start here and tweak as desired. Also, it's getting new toys with Amonkhet and Players are excited.

>>52864501
I just checked rulings, if sphere is a mana ability, which makes sense, is star also a mana ability? The ruling doesnt explicitly mention it

>>52865456
>>52865536
retard here, isn't the knight's ability a mana ability?

>>52865809
Mana abilities make mana and don't have targets

>>52865812
oh okay, thank you

>>52865671
there are a lot of good cyclers in amonkhet that people are trying out in living end.

curator of mysteries (4/4 flyer, cycles for U, when you cycle scry 1)
desert cerodon (6/4. cycles for R)
horror of the broken lands (4/4, cycles for B, when you cycle gets +2/+1)
archfiend of ifnir (5/4 flyer, cycles for 2, when you cycle all oppo creatures get -1/-1 counter)

these are all better than deadshot minotaur and the other garbage creatures living end is currently playing

>>52862579
what would you have it replace

>>52865895

I wouldn't take away Deadshot. He at least has a decent effect when he gets in the field.

But yeah, some flyers that can't still be useful after being dropped are certainly an improvement.

No more ants for me, thank you very much.

>>52862579
One of the reasons delver is good is because it is a great clock against combo. This is terrible against non creature combos.

>>52865672
Seems very meme-ish, how do. I play it without dying by turn 3?

>>52866196

Use the Fulminators to destroy his land base, Faerie Macabres to take away good cards from the enemy graveyard.

Cycle the cards you get and wait for the right moment to cascade into living end.

It's a pretty precise combo deck that actually requires tweaking and timing to be effective.

>>52866196
by adding split cards to have things to do other than cycling before turn 3

I want Wizards to ban not drawing sideboard cards in game 2 and 3.

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>>52863231
>>52863188

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>>52866414
>Play this ability no more than three times each turn.

>>52865151
somee guy was saying they were good in treasure hunt combo

>>52865451
bogles

>>52866425
got a better filter?

>>52864482
But bone spliters and fling do two completely different things

>>52865806
Yes. Anything that produces mana is a mana ability AFAIK.

>>52862619
>>52863231
no it totally goes infinite, you just need a 4th land / red source to pay for the first activation. this curves out pretty well turn 4 after playing the monument turn 3

>>52865193
I know you feel bad because you're friend got better pulls but you still broke the cost of the pack and goblin guide is still a good staple. I'd say sit on it till it's back over 20 then sell

>>52865560
>not moving the alternative cost to the top, making it a trap, and calling it Ambush Trap or something like that

>>52866343
Just play good cantrips that help you dig for cards. Oh wait they're all banned

If you don't have access to black or red, is condemn maindeckable as extra removal in addition to path?

>>52866343
Legacy has that same "problem" to a lesser degree. You can't board for everything and when you get your hate you slaughter.

The only format where you don't really complain about sideboarding is Vintage where everyone's sideboard does exactly the same thing albeit uses different cards to accomplish that goal.

>>52867672
depends what deck

>>52867713
>The only format where you don't really complain about sideboarding is Vintage where everyone's sideboard does exactly the same thing albeit uses different cards to accomplish that goal.
And what would that be? Shitting on dredge?

>>52867759
Hatebears

>>52867054
It does not go infinite by itself

>>52867769
Most sideboards in Vintage are composed of:
- 33% dredge hate
- 33% artifact hate
- 33% Mentor-token hate

The card choices vary between decks, but more often than not the sideboards usually look like that. Sometimes you'll see some random creature removal spells in there.

>>52865468
buy into a deck with parts that fit into other decks. Affinity, Merfolk, Living End etc will leave you having to spend a whole nother decks worth of money if you want to play something else where Kiki-Chord, Abzan or Death Shadow Jund can leave you a bit more open to change.

>>52866011
You are a fucking retard. Deadshot is done for.

>>52865614
Be careful building Living End. Absolute retards play the deck and are very vocal about their shit opinions like anon above. People like Travis Woo play shit inefficient builds of the deck and give people absolutely crazy ideas.

I just seen a grixis shadow deck wipe the floor with a tron deck. Bad matchup my ass.

>>52868418
that is results oriented thinking anon.

>>52868441
Results are the only things that matter.

>>52868441
It's tragic how this isn't a foundation concept among Magic players.

I can never repeat the phrase and lesson enough and nobody ever learns.

I don't measure competency in this game by how long people claim to have played the game. Because some people are just utterly lacking in skills like avoiding results oriented thinking.

>>52868469
My god you sound like a pretentious little twat. I can't imagine people wanting to be around you.

>>52865806
>>52866961
Not exactly. To be a mana ability, it must be able to produce mana, not have a target, and not be a planeswalker loyalty ability.

For instance, Deathrite Shaman mana-producing ability is not a mana ability as it targets a land in a graveyard in its effect (because the exile thing is on the right part of the colon, it's not a cost but an effect).
Cabal coffers' ability, if you don't have any swamp on the field, would still be a mana ability even if it doesn't produce any.
Selvala explorer returned's ability is a mana ability even if there's a whole bunch of bullshit there, because it doesn't target and may produce mana.

>>52866789
0 manager creatures.

Time for lelgacy Cheerios!

>>52866292
I've been meaning to query gatherer for them all with the new rules and cards. Do any relevant ones for Living End come to mind?

>>52869118
play blue black and Breaking yourself for maximum memes

>>52869177
RNG shits on me a decent amount, but colour me inspired

Anyone know what time the B&R announcement is usually made?

>>52869256
10:45~11:00

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Death's Shadow Jund player here. Thinking of playing pic related as a two of in my sideboard next friday as a meme, i feel like playing some spicy shit tech. How janky/bad out of 10 do you guys think this will be.

>>52869297
Local time for Wotc (Pacific time)?

>>52869319
>mfw someone has ceremonious rejection for some reason
>mfw I have no face

>>52869319
Very

>>52869322
8am pacific and 11am eastern.

>>52869118
Rough of Rough//Tumble seems possible depending on meta

>>52869351
Ceremonious rejection is low key good especially with eldrazi,affinity and tron being 3 of the 4 big pillars of the format.

Grixis ninjas: is it legit?

>>52869885
No

>>52869885
It's playable. Can't tell you how good it is though. Best thing about them is they can dodge shit during combat and they make your opponent second guess themselves when declaring blockers.

Anyone here buy common / uncommon playsets or bulk rares on the off chance that they will become relevant one day?

>>52870205
yeah it's called drafting

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>>52869319
>something that doesn't work on goyfs
either this thing i found or blossoming defense

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/april-24-2017-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2017-04-24

No changes to Standard and Modern, some restrictions to Vintage and... Sensei's Divining Top banned in Legacy.

Discuss the death of Miracles in the Legacy thread. For now, Shadow lives.

>In Modern, Death's Shadow continues to be the best deck, but technology like Condemn is starting to emerge, and the format appears to be in a safe spot at the moment. While deck diversity is good, we're keeping an eye on color balance. If there's an easy change to the banned list that could open up more decks in the future, we will examine it when other formats have less pressing needs.

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>>52870898
>Sensei's Divining Top banned in Legacy.
Excellent.

>>52870898
>miracles finally btfo
huzzah!

Another format of death's shadow shoving thoughtseizes up everyone's butts.

>>52870898
>no changes in standard
Shit. Another 3 months of 2 deck standard.
>no changes in modern
Shit, Ancient Stirrings already, and let true control decks start competing.
>top banned in legacy
Nice.
>gush/probe restricted in vintage
Not quite sure how I feel about that.

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>>52870898
>bloodbraid elf is still banned
It's probably healthier this way, but FREE MY WAIFU, DAMMIT

>condemn is the reason death's shadow didn't get touched

Holy hell that card is terrible.

>>52871168
Not against death's shadow it isn't.

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>>52871092
#FreeWaifus

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>>52871218
I identify as a land mass.
#FreeWaifus

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Thoughts on madcap moon decks? Are they viable or just a meme? Thinking of making my current UR delver into one.

I'm starting to think that Aron Forsyth plays GBx personally that's why they keep printing the best tools for it and it not getting hit with a significant ban (toughtseize, goyf)

>>52871454
It is. Fits in ponza rather well.

>>52870898
>condemn hurts deaths shadow decks

Oh fuck off, no it doesn't. Having them go back to starting life total does fuck all when you're trying to win by getting their life total to zero.

Man, fuck this. GP Vegas is going to be all fucking death shadow decks now

>>52871810

Time to get that GW Infect deck going.

>>52871810
It doesn't get them back to starting life total, it gets them back to 13 and kills any other Death's Shadows on the board. It can lead to blow outs.

>>52871214

>give your opponent 2-12 life
>to indirectly kill a 1 drop
>even worse if DS is the only creature on board

mhm
i reckon condemn isnt gonna get you that many two for ones against DS

>>52871810
Yes it does. It blows out the shadows badly.

Surgical extraction also blows the fucks out of shadow decks.

>>52871214
>put deaths shadow back into their library to be traversed again and put their life total beyond what they started with so you can swing into them for 4 more turns hoping they don't run into any answers in that time
>putting the deck that basically has GSZ for all of their creatures and only cares about getting both players to top deck mode back to 20 life to remove 1 threat that will come right back

We didn't see a ban or unban... because this is the best response to this deck?

>>52871859
You also have path, push, decay, terminate, verdicts, edicts flicker effects, etc.

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Rest in peace.

>>52870898
>gush restricted
Menendian btfo

>>52871896
>back to 20 life
I see you don't understand how this works.

>>52871922

Yes, and those are good answers

condemn is literally a 1 for 1 that's worse than path or swords with the odd chance of killing ONLY deaths shadow circumstantially in the entire format. if condemn is the tech that comes up, and people actually start running it, it would mean the meta IS actually warping around deaths shadow. Condemn reads "deck target deaths shadow and kill other deaths shadows on board". we all know deaths shadow is not threat heavy for this to ever be better than a 2 for 1 at best, if the DS player is being greedy.

>>52872029
Condemn has been used against eldrazi for a while.

Sheesh just unban ggt, twin and eye of ugin then.

And blame eldrazi tron for completely killing midrange decks that could beat shadow decks.

Condemn maybe the champion the format needed. I always said white needed a second 1cmc removal and maybe this is it. It's only bad against non attacking utility creatures which there aren't many of.

Why not just play reciprocate or declaration in stone? Why condemn?

>>52872341
instant > sorcery

>>52872341
Reciprocate requires the Death's Shadow to hit you. Declaration in Stone is 2 cmc and a sorcery.

>>52872341
Blessed Alliance is the obvious alternative to Condemn.

How competitive are SCG Classic events? Are they like GPs where plenty of people will come just to have a good time or are they more like a pptq full of try-hards?

>>52870898
>top banned in legacy because timmy has even infected legacy
>standard is going to remain two decks
>modern costs keep skyocketing

Welp, I'll see you guys in Hour of Devestation

>>52873481
Fuck off Miracles was suffocating the format. Happy that Dredge, Maverick and Stoneblade will be playable again.

>>52870898
Condemn isn't good against DS because they'll Thoughtseize you and you can't Condemn their Shadow in response. Nobody plays Condemn, you can play Blessed Alliance for a similar, better, effect.

That being said, I agree with the no bans. Modern's in a good place right now. Poor Standard though

>>52874139
U/W Control often runs Condemn, but that's U/W Control.

>>52873810
stoneforge was always playable, and in an archetype that did well against miracles (just not that shit.dec)

How does anyone think condemn is a good answer? The deck runs traverse and shuffle effects get it out of the bottom of library

>>52865451
If you want to win, play Affinity. Chances are if they have to proxy, none of the people in the tournament are gonna know shit about the format, and thus they won't be properly equipped (mentally or deckwise) to deal with it.

>>52865468
Play Merfolk. Solid tier 2 that can compete with tier 1 easy if you're decent at piloting it, and will probably never see a ban that impacts it.

>>52874591
It's still a 1/1 trade on card advantage, and it prevents them from playing more Shadows right away. Unless you plan to drag the game out way long and basically deck them, bottom/exile aren't that different, and both are better than sending it to the yard because of Kommand and Lili.

>>52874302
>Maverick and Stoneblade
>shit
D&T was the only SFM deck that was good against miracles. Keep crying though control cuck.

>>52874764
>bottom/exile aren't that different
I fetch. Oh there's my shadow again

>>52875144
You don't underatand. The height of tactical thought is not overextending into removal. Clearly if you don't overextend you were just the better player. And as a Control(tm) player you just need to be looking out for the biggest blowouts available, no matter how narrow.

>>52875371
>Being this dense

>>52875371
What the fuck are you on about. This has nothing to do with the conversation

>>52875371
Ever heard the expression "fortune favors the bold"?

>>52869351
>Playing ceremonious rejection over Nix.

>>52869118
I think Rise//Fall would be cute/sweet.

>>52869118
There are some potential sideboard ones like Wear//Tear

>>52875411
>>52875433
>>52875438

>keked cunttrol shitters

>>52875524
You're an idiot. Nobody even knows what you're talking about because you're so inarticulate.

>>52875524
I can understand why control-fags would be upset today. Control is still dead in Modern and Miracles just got rekked in Legacy.

It's okay, just let it all out.

>>52875524
>durr I'm a retard
>durr kek kek XD

>>52875563
Why would anyone play blue control over blue tempo? Shits straight cash

>>52875144
The chances of drawing a Shadow when there's 3 in the deck and one is exiled are only 5-10 percent higher than drawing one when all 4 are in the deck. Considering you have tutors the difference between 7 and 8 effective Shadows is even more marginal. So my point stands, unless you're going to drag the game out really long the difference between exile and bottom is small.

>>52875631
I can't believe I'm reading this or that you actually thought typing this out was a good idea

>>52875631
>are only 5-10 percent higher
I mean lower, sorry

>>52875555
>>52875567

>cunttrol players still acting like retards

Can't even say "go back to legacy" now, no one wants you fags anymore

>>52865151
They might be a good one or two of in dredge, maybe.

>>52865151
I have seen no hype for Splendid Valakut.

I've seen talk of it making a new loam deck (or making Seismic Assault more viable)

>>52875670
How does pointing out that Condemn is bad make one a control player? You're just acting like a fucking retard.

>>52875670
>cunttrol
>fags
>has no idea what the conversation is even about so instead decides to shitpost wildly
18+ required here kiddo

>>52865451
Fuck em, 4 Horsemen.

>>52875795
Four Horsemen, for when Eggs and Lantern Control just don't lose you friends fast enough.

>>52875606
I'm actually thinking about building a Blue/White Death and Taxes (or is it Hatebears, I can never tell the difference) build with Aether Vials, Reflector Mages, Spell Quellers, Spellstutters, and all that shit. It sounds super fun but I don't know if it'll be good

>>52876145
Oh Smuggler's Copter too. So I guess it's just standard U/W Flash with maybe Thalia or Arbiter

>>52875144
Lol snap condemn
There goes your shadow again

>>52876145
D&T uses stuff like Flickerwisp.

>>52870898
>we will examine it when other formats have less pressing needs.

"We were too busy to actually look at modern and do something constructive with the banlist"

>>52876176
You can make up your little scenarios all day but in the end, everyone knows shadow is gonna fuck your shitty deck. I don't even play DSJ

>>52876228
Yeah, I'll play Flickerwisps too. I've always liked that card and it's basically busted in an Aether Vial deck. But is the Arbiter/Ghost Quarter package worth it? Arbiter's only okay on his own normally, but I feel like he should be at least good against the fetch heavy DS decks. At least force them to deal with him instead of playing a threat or ripping my hand

>>52866011
His effect is literally a draw back when ur playing the faerie macabres especially in main board, 1 out of every 40 games he gets to ping down maybe a vendillion or lingering spirit and rarely a thopter, and 1 out of every 3 games he kills ur faerie macabre, I will gladly replace him with 6/4 or 4/4 buffer guy any day of the week
>Inb4 don't play macabre

>>52877430
>ur

Fuck off back to the youtube comment section, faggot.

>>52877430
Yeah the only match up I've ever appreciated the minotaur in was affinity because he can snipe onithopter/vault skirge

>>52866196
Fulminators slow them down, shriekmaws and dismember are used in some builds, shriekmaw even better most times cause when you living end, the creature comes back but so does the shriekmaw to kill it off again, living end is a turn 3 boardwipe so unless they're playing burn, even decks like zoo and affinity get btfo, especially when u do it instant speed with violent outburst.
Worst match ups are infect, burn, dredge, and control, but control is scarce and can be played around, infect is on the decline since probe ban, burn ur more than likely losing game 1 and hope ur sideboard is good enough game two, same with dredge unless u manage to get a bigger board first or have faerie macabres mainboard like a lot of list have to slow down the dredge plan.
Affinity is a weird match up cause ravager can munch everything as you living end which basically means they just get back their board. New demon from amonkhet helps with this as u can just cycle away to clear their board again.
And simian spirit guide helps with getting off a turn 2 living end or fulminator mage, especially good if you cycle like 3 street wraiths and a 1 mana cycler, giving you a turn 2 board with everything 4 toughness and 9+ damage, basically a two turn clock.
Rip and leyline fuck us a bit but you can always go with plan b, blow up their land and hard cast ur creatures, or draw into ur one of 2 or 3 beast within then go off before they plant another grave hate card.
And grafdiggers cage does nothing to us, fyi.

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>>52877490
And I'm on a phone, exDee

>>52877567

>needing to snipe ornithopter/vault skirge
>after a living end

really made me think

>>52877848
Don't comment if you don't know what you're talking about. Ravager is notorious for making living end much worse

What can I get for 200$ to start playing FNMs and getting store credit

I am thinking Skred

>>52877908
The store credit part will depend on your FNM, but...
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/decks/budget/modern#paper

>>52877875

but now I know why that matchup is harder thanks to you anon

I didn't even think about ravager, that's pretty good

>>52877961
Ravager: making the combat math a headache since 2004.

>>52877908
Mono-red Burn is solid and doable at that price, even with the expensive creatures.

>>52878022
It's the land list that gives me a headache, doesnt mono red burn run fetches to thin out the deck

>>52878564
No, not at all. Typical Monored Burn runs around $195~$215.

Also, fetches for deck thinning is a myth that's been run through the ringer time and again with actual, hard math. The consensus is that the life spent is not worth the fractions of a percent benefit you get from thinning.

>>52878564
>>52878744

For those interested: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/print.asp?ID=3096

Basically, by the time the benefit of a single extra non-land card becomes relevant, 99% of modern matches will be long over.

>>52878744
Well, there are still fringe examples of deck thinning being a thing..your opponent is at 3 life, your life total is irrelevant because they're playing a combo deck and are posed to go off next turn, any non-land top deck wins the game, it's worth cracking those two fetches you're sitting on to improve your top deck odds. The % change is greater than zero at least.

>>52878938
Well, I guess there's no cure for stupid. Go ahead and drop a couple hundred dollars on fetches for no real benefit then, you fucking retard.

>>52878989
>implying I don't have 40/40 fetches sitting in a binder
I've spent hundreds on fetch lands but not for deck thinning

>>52878989
>there's no cure for stupid
Don't worry. One day they'll have a fix for you

>>52879034

no shit, anybody with a modern deck has spent hundreds on fetches.

>>52879197
Lmao. Called out for being an idiot and you get all pissy. Fuck off baby

>>52879166
Sick burn anon, too bad you're the retard that thinks deck thinning is helpful. I recommend you take a gun and use it to thin your life out instead, via a bullet to the brain.

>>52879242

I've never said two words to you before anon, you didn't call me out for anything.

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>>52879197
I haven't.

>>52878989
>no real benefit
Yeah, except for virtually THE best mana fixing in the entire game.

God, you're dumb if you think fetches aren't worth it.

>>52879391
Not him, but they were talking about mono-red burn, which doesn't need fixing.

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Let's play a game, /tg/!

What god-awful, shit-tier deck could be in a deckbox this smug?

>>52879635
Allies, Kithkin or Slivers

>>52879245
Too bad I'm just an observer that sees you for the moron you are. Do you think this website is just you and one other guy?

>>52879635
Burn, bogles, ad naseum

>>52879635
Tron.

>>52879635
Mono Blue Tron.

>>52879635
mono blue mill

>>52879635
4 post

>>52879635
counter everything then sphinx rev for 15

>>52879635

8rack
8whack

choose your poison

>>52880501
O my fuck I gotta get smug anime sleeves for my UW draw go, it's perfect

>>52880591
how's the current state/build of uw control? heard it actually has potential right now

>>52880646
4 spreading seas main and 4 ghost quarter with Crucible main lets you steal match ups you should have lost. Path, Condemn, and blessed alliance do a lot of work stifling aggro long enough to hit a verdict and get your cryptics and snap cryptics online. Most of the matches I've lost have been to variance, like getting stuck at 3 lands for 7-8 turns, even when you run 25.

Although my experience is limited to local FNM play, so I'm not sure how good the deck is out in the great big ocean

>>52879635
gx Tron with pink sleeves

>>52880788
reads somewhat similar to current emeria titan tech except more countermagic I guess

Pls stop with the UW control lies. Deck was shit. Deck is shit. Deck will continue to be shit.

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>>52880591
Hey anons. What would you think of Wizard's Soul sleeves?

>>52865302
This guy is one reason i love bant eldrazi. Cant even get past a skyspanwer.

>>52876145
I play u/w Sky Hussar with reflector mage, spell stutters martyr of frost etc. They play great with aether vial and ninja of deep hours. It's not full DnT but it feels similar.

My win rate is something like 65% against dsj, but some of the players are not very skilled.

>>52873481
>modern costs keep skyrocketing
Actually they're the lowest they've been in years. Now is the time.

>>52877610
Dredge is a fine matchup. Nothing they can do can swing past any of our guys unless you're running Architects.

>>52876674
Do you have a list for the idea? I was planning this also. I brought spellstutter sprite promos today just for the deck. I'm having a hard time choosing between clique or venser (creature) for the top end.

>>52880788
Please reprint Crucible as something that's not a ultra secret double rare.

>>52878989
Fetches are sexy.

>>52877630
what happened to him btw, he used to be pretty huge and had some fun streams a few years ago

>>52881952
Thanks for killing the thread

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>>52881691
Agreed.

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>>52881256
>>52881522
This is a rough, rough draft of what I was thinking about. Things can be dropped and moved around but the general idea is there.

I never considered Martyr of Frost or Vendillion Clique, but they're good options, Martyr since he's a counterspell that can crew Copter. Though I might play Judge's Familiar or Masoleum Wanderer instead if I want a one drop, and Clique synergizes well with Spellstutter.

>>52882474
Flicker effects with Clique sounds hilarious too

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>>52862485
>mfw shitforge shytic will NEVER be unbanned

I'm on about a $250 budget, but I want to build eldrazi tron. Is there any ways I can make it slightly more budget? Some of the problems I'm running into is affording chalice of the void, a playset of walking ballistas, and karn.

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>>52882622
>mfw ten year olds post here

>>52882824
For the sake of other people, don't build shitty budget decks. Those who have real decks don't enjoy shit stomping your pile of jank.
It's not fun for either player

>>52882886
Speak for yourself.
>>52882824
You do what you gotta do.

>>52882886
those guys usually get really fucking buttblasted when they lost to ub mill

>>52882474
I would run judge's familiar or meddling mage instead copter.

>>52882474
>>52882474
Martyr requires you to have lots of blue cards in your hand and a heaby blue card base. If you wanted to make it work ninja seems like it could be good way to keep your hand full. It works well with spellstutter, reflector mage, and venser, plus it gives you more cards to loot away with copter.

That said, with your current build your probably better off with mausoleum wanderer.

>>52881444
What is Conflagrate and forcing chump blocks with Scourge/Peasants and Leylines postboard.

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>>52882474
>>52883239
how does this look?
I'm a DnT noob but I love the idea of meddling mage and queller

>>52865604
Mechanized Production can make you win with 8 pithing needles.

>>52865604
You won't go to time since once the lock is in place the turns amount to "upkeep mill go" any slow play is usually on the opponent for being a salt lord. Granted this assumes you're not the type of retard to spin top to remember what you put on top so take that as what you will.

Alternatively you could throw in a wincon like aether grid but these aren't needed and just dilute the deck.

t. Lantern player

>>52883239
Meddling Mage definitely has a place in the sideboard, but I just don't like it in the main. I like Copter because it's an early flying threat that draws cards and dodges certain removal.

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>>52884714
Where is your God now?

>>52884882
>Where is your God now?
Keeping meme trash like that out of the format so I can lock and mill.

God bless Affinitybros

>>52884714
>>52884553
i wanna hear this guys comment on mechanized production

if the lock is up is it just 'win more'

>>52884991
It's just win more in a regular lantern shell and doesn't serve a lot of purpose on top of being hard to cast and 4cmc which is almost a no-no in an ensnaring bridge deck like lantern.

In Tezzerator on the other hand the card is dank.

>>52885067
Also as a side note, Lantern really doesn't need the "alt wincons" and that's why you see lists moving away from them recently. Almost nobody plays Pyrite and aether grid sees fringe play at best, Granted these might be correct in a very specific meta but right now that's not the case. The deck wins just fine once you have a lock established and start getting your other mill rocks to tighten it and increase the mill. The only one that I think actually has a place in Lantern is Crucible and that card is either backbreaking or completely useless.

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Gentlemen. Behold

My full shiny.

>>52885256
Looking pimp bro.

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>>52885256

>>52885256
>khans fetches
>that fetch configuration
>gatecrash shocks
>using 2nd worst gobbo guide
>those bolts
>those basics
>those rift bolts
Needs work/10

>>52885346
Thanks. Bought the original deck about a year ago and have been foiling it with FNM winnings and the like.

>>52885398
I like newer card borders and artwork, and tended to pick sets with art I like the most. Also I think the expedition artwork sucks dick and isn't worth the price at all.

Although thinking cute lost Gobbo Guide isn't the best art is just wrong.

>>52885438
Your bolts are mismatched. Jesus dude

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