MTG Modern Magic General

>>52841944
>do you expect any surprises?
No

If anything changes, it will be more bans

>>52841944
No, I actually expect there to be no changes to modern.

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>>52841944
#FreeJundWaifu

>>52841944
The only thing surprising would be unbans at this point. Preordain could come off the list, but Storm would have to be monitored closely if that happened. I could also see SSG being hit, but I highly doubt it. Most likely there will be no changes.

Now, if the Devoted Druid combo becomes too big too quickly, then we'd see a ban, but that's a few months away.

>>52842096
BBE deserves to stay go.

No. Broodbraid Elf definitely won't be unbanned. Stoneforge Mystic has a small chance.

>>52841944
to the one guy in the last thread i have a deck i made myself, green/white want to see it?

>>52842141
>>52842151
As long as DSJ is a strictly better version of Jund there is no reason for BBE to stay banned.

>>52842268
Until temur cascade becomes a top deck

>>52842190
I'm sorry. Nobody wants to see your kitchen table deck

>>52841944
kill yourself sfm retard

>>52842268
You would be correct, however, we also don't want a, "revolving door" ban list. If DSJ stays top dog, and they unban BBE, then it could be fine. But if, for some reason, they do that and DSJ falls out of favor for a more "oppressive" Jund build with BBE, then it would be a problem card again and would warrant re-banning. And these revolving door bans would be another huge problem, as Modern is a format that people play to explicitly NOT have to deal with rotations.

>>52842380
I doubt that that one interaction would be enough to make a shit tier color combination like Temur viable.

Remember there is no Brainstorm, so BBE into Ancestral Vision would have very little consistency.

Can I build a decent zoo deck without Gofys? They still cost silly money.

>>52843080
Poorfags need not apply

I bought 4 sfms and a batterskull because they're pretty cheap right now anyway. If sfm does get unbanned, I'll have all of any hatebear/DnT shell ready to go. If not, I'll have them for legacy.

>>52843080
Sure. Just build revolt zoo. It loses to itself a lot, but that's the best zoo deck you'll get

>>52841944
>unbans
The one mana planeswalker
>Bans
Mox Opal
9th Edition

>>52843206
ayy lmao

>>52843206
>unban drs, but ban him from jund decks

4 COLOR GIFTS HERE WE COME

>>52843206
>Bans
>9th Edition
Not 8th Edition? Sounds fair.

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>>52843119
>costs $400 and upwards to make a decent modern deck
>can make a high performance legacy deck for around $150

Guess I know which format is better

>>52843147
Some moron posts this every ban announcement. It's never happening.

>>52843408
>goes onto mtggoldfish
>checks legacy prices
+5 internets, made me look

>>52843408
Legacy burn is the only competitive deck for that price. Unless you're poor, aka human filth, money is not an issue anyway.
>cheaper things are better
Idiot

>>52843441
Did I touch a nerve?

>>52843441
>poor, aka human filth

>drops 2 grand on a card game
>thinks that disqualifies him from being human filth

>>52843408
$150 will only get you idiot decks like Burn or Manaless Dredge though.

The cheapest interactive deck is probably D&T which already costs like 1k and if you want to play blue it gets expansive. In Modern only Tarmogoyf decks are that expensive

>>52843441

I'll bet you fly economy class

>>52843484
>>52843503
>>52843530
Spot the poorfags. Fucking lmao

>>52843503
Not even that guy, because he's a shitter too, but seriously

>ridiculing people for spending their own money on their hobby

You're just as bad as him.

>>52843540
>Legacy is cheaper and has a healthier meta than modern
>lol poorfags amirite?

Have a (You) friend

>>52843578
>legacy is cheaper
>implying anyone even plays legacy anymore

Come on anon, let's not get ahead of ourselves just to be contrarian.

>>52843578
You're wrong. I play legacy too and it's been quite stale for awhile. Miracles still the top deck by far and leovold being shoved in everything. It's fun enough but not that great currently.
Nice try though, since you didn't say that. You just got salty for being called poor and made up some deck prices and said hur due legacy the best

>people here actually getting butthurt about banter against poorfags

You can tell nobody here actually plays modern because they get so defensive when called out on being impoverished

>>52843625
>banter

Why is it that people only call it banter when they're being a faggot for no reason? It stops being banter when your goal is to be a cunt.

>>52843578
>Legacy has a healthier meta than modern
But Legacy has competitive control decks??

>>52843669
Go somewhere else if your feelings are so easily hurt

>>52843655
>tfw 7 figure net worth
>still don't want to spend $1k+ on bits of thin cardboard
Is it just my inner Jew or is there something wrong with me?

>Bans
Street Wraith

>Unbans
None

>>52843610
More people were at the GP for legacy than modern last year.

>>52843625
Sorry you have a stale meta and are unable to adapt and nice implication on me being poor when you spend your neetbux on modern

>>52843728
>more bans and no unbans
>literally the worst thing they could do

>>52843745
I'm banning your opinion from my ears.

>>52843684
I'm fine. I'll just keep playing with normal people and you can have your autistic "banter" matches where both players fling their literal shit at each other.

I'm more interested in the Standard bans than anything involving Modern.

I still don't think anything can save that format until rotation though

>>52843779
If WOTC would print better answers instead of the current shit show pushing Planeswalkers and creatures the tappening it wouldn't look like this.

Atleast I'm gonna enjoy playing eggs in standard when they'll reprint Fling with "totally not an atog".

>>52843741
Then could you point me to the underground cabal of legacy players that apparently exists in the Anaheim Hills/Orange County area? The closest legacy events to me are in San Diego and a four hour roundtrip for cards is not going to happen on a Tuesday.

>>52843828
Well no shit you're salty, living in california.

>>52843864
Except for the heat it's pretty good here, famalam.

>>52843741
>neetbux
Sorry bud, you're the only leech here

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You don't actually buy cards, do you?

>>52842141
What card is opening up Devoted Druid for combo? Haven't been keeping up with mtg since Oath.

>>52843891
Go collect another welfare check, Cletus.

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>>52843625

Legacy is the best format because my favorite archetype is a Mana Drain unbanning away from being tier 0. I love imagining my opponent sighing in frustration when I """miracle""" away his nicely developed battlefield.

I love destroying fair decks, but nothing can compare to the rush of completely locking a brainless, subhuman burn player out of the game

>>52843864
I like when people who have never set foot in CA try to act like they aren't living in a strictly worst state. Inb4 some made-up bullshit about you living here.

>>52843625
poorfags are like manlets in that they never learn.

>>52843908

How else would I acquire them? Cracking packs is a waste and the only decent Chinese forger disappeared.

Steal decks at GPS, I guess?

>>52843996
What does this even mean? I mean I know you're poor because you're stupid but come on, try a little.

>>52843885

Too expensive and hot. I like my relatively cheap living and cold winters

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>>52844027
>playing physical

>>52844060

Maybe he doesn't like playing against cheaters on cuckatrice or shitters on xmage?

>>52844060

>buying virtual cards that you can never, ever redeem

Not THAT is a waste of money. And don't even bring up cockatrice. It's shit.

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>>52844028
>only one person is telling me off guys, seriously!

You're the only one getting worked up here unless you are pulling pic which doesn't bother anyone

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>>52844096
>>52844115
>not tabletop sim

>>52844031
I count the extra expenses as a reasonable tax to live in the same area as all of the hot asian girls.

The heat is fucking bullshit though, you've got me there, ninety fucking six today.

>>52844160
Sleep snug, smug

>>52844115
>And don't even bring up cockatrice. It's shit.
xmage is pretty good though desu senpai

>>52844131
Your responses have nothing to do with the argument. You're actually retarded I believe

yo check it wat if

unban SDT? counter top becomes a thing and control decks have a way to assfuck niggas again but it can go in fucking everything so it wont just be control benefitting an shit

>>52843940
This one. It + Devoted Druid = infinite mana. Add Duskwatch Recruiter to pull out all your creatures. People are slotting it into Abzan lists (Anafenza, Finks, Redcap) along with Collected Company and Chord of Calling.

It'll be good, but probably not that good. I'm guessing it'll be like Kiki-Chord: take the meta by storm for one or two big events, then settle down in tier 3 as a solid, but meta-dependant deck.

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>>52844299
And i forgot my picture like a tard.

>>52843541

>reading comprehension

I'm not ridiculing him, I'm pointing out how his perceptions are skewed. He's calling poor people human filth as though having magic cards makes him any less human filth.

>>52844326
It does though. Poor people are shit. Owning cardboard isn't really a bad thing. Maybe if he collected human remains or something

>>52844299

I actually think that deck works better by just dropping the black and going GW or even Bant (infinite Glen Elendra, anyone?). Viscera seer is pretty underwhelming nowdays and with all the graveyard hate floating around the traditional combo is a struggle.

>>52844185

Why move to California when Colorado has beautiful mountain forests, mild summers, snow and completely legal weed? Or I could go to Seattle for a bigger magic scene.

The only reason I'd ever move out to Cali is for qt asians and the food. I can't imagine what it must be like having nice places to eat.

>>52844365

>spot the samefag

>>52844406
You might be right, and I might be inclined to agree with you. But, you need some way to close out games, and Finks/Redcap is a good bet, and you need Viscera Seer to do that. There could be something else that can work, though, and I'm not brewing the deck so I'm not really looking. Also, Black can give you sideboard stuff like Thoughtsieze or whatever.

>>52844285

The issue with SDT being in modern is like you said, it would be a 4-of in every deck because you don't get punished nearly as hard as you would in legacy for running four of them. I was being facetious when I said unban it in modern. As much as I love miracles, modern isn't ready for countertop.

>>52844248
>I talk out of my ass and askew things to make myself feel good about my shitty life

Just how fucking stupid are (You)?

>>52844416
Honestly, the asians and their bomb ass food markets trump everything you said.

I can make some proper damn curry and buy a metric fuckload of calpico anytime I damn well please because I live within spitting distance of an H Mart, two Zion Markets, and a Mitsuwa.

>>52844543
My life is fan-fucking-tastic senpai. You might wanna tone down the projection

>>52844589
Only when you tone it down yourself, faggot.

>>52844533
>But, you need some way to close out game

For the GW version I'm thinking of, after pulling off infinite mana you just chord for Duskwatch Recruiter or have him on the field, then dig for Ballista and win right there. I guess that's kind of like the traditional combo though. Still need three pieces on the field.

>>52844611
Lmao stay mad

>>52844611
>>52844643

Just fuck each other already, instead of stinking up the thread. Geez.

>>52844623
Also, you can't CoCo or Chord (both are where the real value comes from) for Ballista. I think ChannelFireballs list runs 1 Ballista, though.

>>52842190
CoCo Kithkins?

>>52844655
Its a modern thread, not like it can get any worse.

>>52844670
Exactly. If you're not involved just move past the shit posts

>>52842268
>one jund varient is the top deck
>better buff the other jund varient, wouldn't want any colors but jund to be viable

>>52844554
Are you Asian yourself?

>>52843813
Yea planeswalkers are unfun to play against period, in general they generate too much value if they stick around for 2+ turns

>>52843679
Answered your own question there.

>>52843813
>>52843779
>>52844754

I blame Sam "The Ham" Stoddard for the shitshow that is Standard.

>>52843779
I really haven't been paying attention to standard in the past few months, can someone explain why BFZ isn't rotating out with amonkhet? shadows-kaladesh-amonkek will be three blocks, why the fuck is BFZ still in there? bfz gideon is the biggest fucking problem in standard atm right?

>>52844930
The same 50 people on Reddit who make all of WotC's decisions cried about standard rotating too fast

>>52844963
so now standard is 4 blocks? why don't they just make it fucking extended then jesus fucking christ

>>52843708
Nothing wrong with you.

There's a line as to what is reasonable for the price of something. And Magic has crossed the line so fucking far into unreasonable that's it's not even funny.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to support a shitty system. It's why I don't go running with people outside of my friends - the culture and community is full of dumb retards who spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on non-shoe gear to run. It's disgusting and I don't want to associate myself with it.

Magic is a great game. But it's being operated by a shit company full of shit people and the community is becoming more and more full of people with no sense of quality. Prices are going to grow and people will pay for it. WER is just going to explode every pre-release and people are going to continue showing up.

>>52844841
>blaming Sam the Ham when he's the one that pushed out By Force

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>>52844793
So I was right in my assertion that the legacy meta is worse than modern because it lets the most cancerous archetype in the game compete. Got it.

>>52845593
not so much that it lets them compete but more so that there's a very dominant control deck and a lot of blue cards are disproportionately powerful compared to stuff in other colors.

>>52844554

t. Brainless aggro retard

>>52843813
Right, because planeswalkers are just ruining modern

>>52844717
In every way but physically I am asian, I even learned to speak Japanese by watching anime, senpai ;^)

yes

>>52845780
YEAH BECAUSE WE DONT GET ENOUGH GIDEONS AND CHANDRAS TO WASTE THOSE MYTHIC RARE SLOTS

>>52845679
Hey, if eating good curry and drinking delicious soft drinks makes me a brainless aggro retard then I don't want to be anything else

>>52845847
Meant to reply to
>>52845593

Though if you do play aggro I still don't respect you

>>52845679
>>52846039
Jokes on you, I play midrange :^)

>>52845679
Ah, I fellow control connoisseur like myself. I tip my fedora to you, good sir!

>>52845677
More like "blue is absolute necessity to not lose to belcher turn 1."

Terminus is very strong card, but I for one celebrate the fact that it's dominant deck that folds to being too slow when opponent ramps into 4+ mana. Or, on the other hand, is being police for all the aggro shitting ensuing from wrath effects being otherwise too expensive to play.

>>52846273

Nice stale meme. Real neckbeards realized that wearing a fedora was a red flag for m'ladies, so we've adapted.

>>52846039
I play a variety of decks, D&T is my most aggro one I guess

Is this trons theme song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bng1FjbpEvo

>>52846840

No, it's something more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGp3zp_8LLY

>>52843540
spot the 'tismbux spenders roflmao

>>52846933
Stay mad jelly lmao

>>52843708
>not spending your bits of paper on bits of cardboard
which is more fun to own?

>>52846840
Really good video dude

>want to build a new deck
>nothing really seems fun or exciting to play

>>52847514
Sounds like a personal problem

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So my little brother pulled one of pic related in a sealed pack today.
Should we try to sell or trade it to a friend for a fair value of booster packs?

>>52847747
Trade it for other (good) cards if you can, otherwise sell it. Don't trade it for other packs.

>>52847747
Trading for packs would be like using lotto winnings to buy more lotto tickets.

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>>52844406
i wanna see this list

>>52843080
Zoo generally doesn't run goyfs, it doesn't get very big in that deck. I think people run flinthoof boar, and usually not even that.

>>52847917
well in this scenario if your goal was to continue to play the lotto because you find it fun wouldn't that be worth it?

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>>52844406
>>52844299
>>52844623
Here's what I've been running, still not sure on a handful of the cards but if you want to rep an Abzan shell I recommend something akin to this.
G/W and Bant are neat, but I love me some Viscera Seer

>>52843080
The best Zoo decks, meaning Revolt Zoo mainly, don't run Goyf because Goyf is slow and probably smaller than most of your one drops when you want to play him

>>52844160
Tabletop Simulator is pretty much the worst way to play literally every tabletop game online. There isn't a single game it simulates that the game's own dedicated simulator does better.

>>52849070
lol

>>52843864
Bruh, California is fucking godlike. I can't imagine living in some shitty flyover state, this place has everything I could ever ask for.

>>52849070
It's pretty good for roleplaying games.

Though I actually have an IRL gaming group so it's not like I'd ever need to use it.

>>52844014
Except Miracles has a bad matchup against Burn. Here's your (You) for good effort, dont spend it all in one place.

How do people not realize that traditional games in general are just expensive as hell? Its not just Magic thats expensive, in fact compared to some of the other traditonal games Magic is significantly easier on your wallet. Warhammer 40k is a great example of a game thats actually ridiculously expensive in terms of money and also time you need to put in to play, an average size army thats been painted can easily cost $3000, and that doesnt count the large amounts of time spent just detailing the models. Same goes for model airplanes which are very pricy. Hell theres a group that shows up to my LGS every week to play some form of tabletop board game. They have at least 20+ board games and most of those board games range from $70-150 so they easily have a $2000 + board game collection.

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What are your thoughts on dredge returning to dominate the format?

>>52849704
Why was it not a deck before GGT got banned then unbanned? Isn't it's list literally no different than it would have been earlier?

>>52849725
Have you played in the last 12 months?

Amalgam and Hug make the deck way too consistent.

>>52849725
Prized amalgan gives the decks enough bodies to actually kill your opponent and insolent neonate lets you get dredging fast, neither existed when GGT was first unbanned.

>>52846840
no this is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=785Vhfh4EUc

Tron players love the BBC

>>52849704
Oh boy, time to swap my Tasigurs for Kalitas and my Baubles for Tormod's

I love BGx.

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>>52849751
>BG are the only colors allowed to have strong graveyard interaction
>but U isn't allowed to have strong stack interaction

>>52849751
bauble and tormod's crypt are pretty different
>>52849755
>>BG are the only colors allowed to have strong graveyard interaction
>post you replied to literally listed colorless graveyard interaction

>>52849755
Fuck off Blueballs. We're complaining about dredge right now.

>>52849770
I should have specified siding them in. My bad.
It's a superficially close replacement that lets me keep all my removal.

>>52849704
Just ban Conflagrate already. That's what enables so much of that deck.

>got a strong position on board?
>well fuck you, I don't need removal when I can just Loamflagrate for a quarter of your life

>>52849145
does your heart have an emptiness you can never seem to fill?
are you surrounded by libtards?
does your cost of living exceed rent/utilities exceed 3k a month?

>>52841944
yeah, people will be surprised when a pile more shitty things get banned while nothing gets off the ban list.

hi im a bluefag and a customcardfag rate my card

1U
Counter target spell unless it's controller pays 2
pay 1U more to turn into Cancel, pay another 1U more to turn into Sumarry Dismissal

>>52849839
No
Rather "libtards" than dumb fuck rednecks
No

>>52849859
too powerful needs to cost 5UUU and even then is towards the top end of wizards current powerscale.

>>52849859
>bluefag

If you were a true bluefag you'd play tempo instead of the overrated counter decks

>>52849863
no just dumbfuck lolberal hipstertrash chilling in mass in the 30 trillion starbucks being contrarian shits.

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>>52849888
Counters are the epitome of tempo

>>52849889
Did you just close your eyes and pick out a bunch of random buzzwords from your /pol/ dictionary? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say, but I'm sure you felt it was very insulting, so here's your complimentary (You).

>>52849902
>i'm perfectly fine with being arrogant trash that lives in gated communities being a hypocritical pile of crap
ok anon, whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>52849873
Absolutely, Revolutionary Rebuff is already pushing it.

>>52849888
I love me some tempo, and so does Wizards apparently. At least you get cool treats like Unsubstantiate... my condolences for Brutal Expulsion, though.

>>52849920
>Being this angry over someone having a better education and more money than you

I honestly feel bad for you anon. I hope some day you learn to stop being angry for the sake of being angry. I understand you've probably made some poor life decisions, and decided it's just easier to blindly hate people that have the things you wish you did instead of trying to better yourself, but that's not a good way to live.

Good luck anon, I truly, honestly mean that.

>>52849961
Having a gender studies degree isn't what I'd call a "better education"

>>52843540
Calm down Rudy

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https://pastebin.com/kk1UZwUF
Reposting from last thread.
New amonkey memes, Waste Not edition

>>52850103
>gender studies are the only degree you can hold in California

Dont be a nigger anon

>>52850527
hurrdurr lets be racist

>>52850628
Does nigger really bother you? It gets said so casually here that I've become desensitized to it. It's pretty much on the same level as faggot.

>>52843684
Nah, he's right mate. You're just being a bitch.

>>52849704
I think it's just further proof that meta percentages don't even closely reflect "power levels", the deck is arguably just strictly better Affinity vs everything but Ad Nauseam with stronger postboard odds, since you don't fold to rip as the former does to stony silence.

is this a mtg thread or is this much shit talk the norms?

>>52851411
Some butthurt hillybilly is in here whining but stupid shit that has nothing to do with magic. Normally the shit talk is limited to being MtG related.

>>52845025
The problem lies, as always, with the jews. Speculators playing Investment Magic are the cancer killing all formats and it's easy to see.

Ban Rudy, yank Star of David's WPN rights, use the hasbrobux to sue the worst price manipulators and make a statement that this shit is not okay. Bam, problem solved.

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>>52851844

Hasbro knows that without speculators they'll lose their main cash cows, as in speculators and retards that want to feel like pic related and buy a lot of boxes to try and get money out of it

In the long run getting rid of these shits and the high monetary barrier would probably be better for them financially, but they don't really care about long term benefit, seeing as how they're even going as far as to selling core sets with a ridiculous price tag and calling them masters sets

It's not going to be something sudden, but with the strong push to standard and sealed people will slowly start to drift away

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So, who's riding monday's train to disappointment town?

>>52851982

If you expect one of these to be ever unbanned, you are retarded:
>Jace, the Mind Sculptor
>Stoneforge Mystic
>Green Sun's Zenith
>Seething Song

These are literally on the NEVER EVER list. Expecting an unban is being out of touch with the format, or being delusional.

>>52852837
I honestly feel that sfm could come off. Even with batterskull it isn't doing anything more powerful than what the format is shitting out.5w

>>52852904
You're missing the point. What you "honestly think" doesn't matter.

I could say I "honestly think" Green Sun's Zenith could come off, but we know it won't because it's blacklisted.

NEVER

EVER

>>52852837
>literally on the NEVER EVER list
Citation? Where is this NEVER EVER list?

>>52851982
I am. After drs, bbe, pod and twin, im a finally tuned disappointment machine.
I pray for a bbe or twin unban.

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>>52842151
This might be my last chance to post this.

>>52852837
says who? you? why do you think so? If DRS isnt on your list, anyone with half a brain will disregard your opinion as horse shit.

>>52853106
I would say I'm praying with you but fuck splinter twin. I'd rather have jace and cantrips back.

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Can I join in on this "cards we want unbanned so our decks are busted" thread?

>>52851964
Wrong. Killing the whales is bad optics sure, but the lions share of their card sales come from KTF casuals who don't know what formats are. (or know and don't care)

Organized play is in big trouble with the catering to whales, I agree. and without OP hasbro might pull the plug, but it's not likely to be a financial crisis yet.

>>52853078
Aaron Forsythe on tumblr a few years back. Those four cannot be unbanned, and he's not allowed to say why for the same reasons he can't talk about RL.

That's all we know for sure.

>>52853410
>on tmblr
Well I guess it's official then.

>>52853361
SFM isn't bust by any means. 1 cmc removal is in abundance as well as 1 cmc discard,mostly everyone sides artifact hate for affinity and k command is a card. Besides what is a 4/4 lifelinker going to do against karns,smashers and overgrown shadows?

>>52853361
I think they could unban the W and G artifact lands. Why does it have to be all 5 or none?

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>>52853467
>the W artifact land
Deal.

>>52853430
It's literally his official tumblr, you jackass

Arron Forsyth and Mark Rosewater have to go. They are killing magic.

>>52853078
>>52853124

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/567422-i-just-personally-spoke-with-aaron-forsythe-at-pro

>>52853526
really the whole gaggle of faggles needs to go and be replaced by new blood. or get garfield to working on shit again.

>>52853550
2014 was a long time ago, their internal opinions may have changed. and what's the deal with GSZ? was turn 1 GSZ for dryad arbor really that busted?

>>52853550
Nigger, that shit was 3 years ago, before the twin ban and the eldrazi and dredge explosion.

>>52853604

It's a 4-of in any deck running green creatures. It's 1 G mana away from being better than every green creature in the game. They banned it because it strictly reduced deck diversity. Had a lot less to do with absolute strength.

>>52853604
Green Sun's Zenith is a mana dork that at any time in the game can become the best green creature available in your deck.

And what's so hard to understand about NEVER EVER? Wizards ain't risking those ultra powerful unbans for very little gain.

>>52853655
>Wizards ain't risking those ultra powerful unbans for very little gain.
This. If your job was on the line, would you risk breaking the format for... virtually nothing?

>>52850321

what's the purpose of the helix? it doesn't look like it actually wins you the game here, maybe I'm missing something

>>52853649
The deck diversity argument always kills. All black decks run thoughtseize and all white decks run path,red is the same with bolt. Green is the only color without 1 cmc removal/utility, the least they could do is let it have green sun's zenith.

>>52853733
Generally speaking those don't dictate what the rest of your deck should be though. GSZ pushes green decks towards toolbox strategies heavily.

>>52853673
>job on the line

Nigger, last I checked nonone was fired for the eldrazi and dredge debacles. If it's to powerful just ban it again. Yugioh handles this shit waaaaay better. Wizards acts like they are scared of ever touching the list which leads to these dank ass formats.

Brainstorm needs to be banned in legacy but it won't happen. It never happens.

>>52853733

Yes but the issue is that those cards provide unique value in being staples. Green suns is another copy of every good creature in your deck. it's live at every point in the game. Thoughtseize isn't live when your opponent is hellbent, which they likely will be if you stack hand hate. This risks blanking later draws. Bolt is live if they played a <3 toughness dude or if a ping for 3 is relevant, otherwise you hold the card up for an opportunity.

Green suns is like if you could choose to cast thoughtseize when they're hellbent to blank their next draw. It's relevant at literally every point in the game as (at worst) a 1cmc ramp (which by the way, pays off the G for later casts and makes green suns zenith better than topdecking any creature in your deck).

Fuck green suns, it can stay banned.

I'm trying to brainstorm a deck that runs
4 - Suppression Field
4 - Plow Under

What kind of shell do you think I could fit that in?

>how to fix modern
Modern Masters sets are officially "legal" for modern play, even if the cards in them haven't been printed in a normal set after the cuttoff point. Wizards can use this to reprint necessary cards like Force of Will, Daze, Cabal Therapy, Ichorid, Wasteland, Fork, and Counterspell, without ruining their precious "low power" standard.
Unban Bloodbraid Elf, Stoneforge Mystic
Ban Ancient Stirrings, Batterskull .

>>52853965

>Make modern into legacy

ok let's have all formats of magic be dead then.

>>52853932
Bant Prison?

>>52853965
I wouldn't mind cards getting into Modern in ways other than through Standard, but bad reprints are bad.

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>>52853394

You're right.

In the end, the root of the problem is how afraid wotc is of the secondary market. Not acknowledging it but taking care to not piss the so called investors either. Pushing availability should only result in more KTF players jumping to sanctioned play, which would make everything more sustainable in return, but only dedicated and/or stupid players spend 10$ on 16 pieces of cardboard and a token

Ah, well. There's probably something they know and we don't, I doubt they don't see inherent problems to how they distribute cards as we do

>>52854175
No fair, resto angel is distracting thragtusk with sexy.

>>52854225
Ban legs

>>52854175
Wizards gets plenty of advertising for free from the secondary market. That's why they're terrified of pissing off Star of David Games

>>52854225
Uh did you see the way she's looking at thragtusk? It goes both ways.

>>52854412
>it goes both ways
Please, it's just an act. Look at that board state.

>>52854421
It's hard to tell what's going on there. Thrag has 3 lands to her six, and one creature to her 4, and they all have 3 cards in hand.

If I had to guess, Thragdaddy mulled to 4 or 5, and had his first creature chump.

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What's the best removal?

>>52854691
Path.

>>52854691
Obviously path. Go away

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>>52854691
Definitely not the best, but underrated (especially with Death's Shadow running around).

>>52854704
>>52854726
>not push
Fucking noobs

>>52854691

StP

Modern Legal? Probably path or push

>>52854691
They're so close that any could be argued to be better. Generally, I think Push is better in more situations than path or bolt, but I can understand why people would disagree.

>>52854811
>willingly giving your opponent a maximum of 13 life

>>52854815
If you have access to both white and black, you're going to fill a playset of path before push. It's unconditional removal, exile can be relevant, and many decks only run a few basics.

>>52854857
>opponent attacks with two death's shadows
>use condemn on one
>other one dies
You wouldn't be willing to?

>>52854857
>opponent has 2-4 death shadows out
>condemn one
>kill the rest

It's a huge value swing, and the life total swing doesn't matter as much after that, because their board should be empty.

>>52854857
Yeah, that swords to plowshares is god-awful removal too.

Except it's obvious why swords is played in legacy over path. If you can't understand the difference then don't bother posting here.

>>52854861
No you're not. You're going to run Push over path because you will probably have about 6 fetchlands.

Most of modern creatures clock in at 2 CMC, so you can push them all. Furthermore, pathing a mana dork is bad, pushing one isn't. And for these grindy B/W decks, killing that mana dork and not letting the opponent do what they want with mana can be gamebreaking.

>>52854857
That's the whole point, you mongoloid.

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Give me a deck that can use Arlinn Kord

>>52854897
>>52854881
And what if your opponent is on 6 or less life? Those extra death shadows are still living

>>52854999

Pummeler decks in standard

Building kithkins, what do you think about 1-2 Nykthos in the lands?

>>52854967
>No you're not.
>looks at deck lists
Yes, you are. At the very least you're going to run them at parity.

People have learned that having a fetch to crack is not a given, and plenty of troublesome Modern creatures are 3 cmc (with a few being even more).

You can of course come up with situations where push is better than path, just as you can come up with situations where bolt is better than both. The point is that, in general, path is the better removal.

>>52855003
lets assume DS is a 8/8.

You condemn one, effectively killing it along with other DS.

Now he has no board state, except for a single goyf.

Take out the goyf, and your free to smash your way through. That's why life gain decks like Martyr Proc are sometimes bad. You can be at 60 life, but if you have a poor board state, the opponent can still beat you down and win.

>>52854967
Oh good God. It's retarded.

>>52855003
>opponent is on 6 life
>death's shadow is a 7/7.
>condemn death's shadow: opponent gains 7 life going to 13
>other death's shadow is a 0/0 and dies.
U wot? No matter what the life total, condemn will get rid of them all.

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>>52841944
so, what decks can use this guy?

>>52855164
None.

>>52855164
>4cmc
You're dead on turn 3 mate why have something that costs more than 2 mana?

>>52855276
>turn 3
Turn 4. 4 cmc is still too much though.

>>52855164

I put one on a UW spirits lista once. All he managed to do was preventing a duskmantle guildmage from activating. Not worth it

>>52855164
None of your shitty standard walkers will be playable in modern. Why even ask? I doubt you're going to shell out hundreds of dollars for a modern deck even if you were given a suggestion

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Lets assume this faggot comes back to Modern and slaps your girlfriend's ass.

What deck would realistically use him besides UW control? And even so, he's not going to suddenly make it a tier 0 deck.

>>52855351
To be fair, Lili of the Last Hope sees play.

The standard for walkers in Modern is to be 3 cmc.

>>52855351
Gideon ally of zendikar is modern playable as is the new 3cmc gideon.

>>52855351
Ally of Zendikar is usable.

And there's stupid Gideon brews running around. An W/B control with Sorin and Elspleth would be pretty good.

>>52855318
>playing decks that don't win turn 2 or 3

This is a competitive thread

>>52855428
>playing inconsistent combo that fails to go off half the time, scooping when it doesn't
k

>>52855454
??? I play 8whack.

>>52855485
You just proved his point.

>>52855485
>8whack
I thought we were talking about competitive decks anon?

Eldrazi Tron or RG Tron?

>>52855509
>8whack goblins
>combo

???

Why shoulnd't I play Dredge? Is missing GGT that painful?

>>52855513
Went 3-1 last FNM

>>52855535
The 'combo' being a critical mass of goblins and a surged namesake, otherwise your pile does nothing.

>>52855552
Hurts it, but Dredge is still viable.
>>52855555
You sure showed me.

>>52855570
Yeah it's like you can't win swinging with gobby guides and bolts.

>>52855003
Absent cards nobody plays, such as toughness boosting equipments or auras, there is no situation where condemning a death's shadow (or StPing it) will not result in the death of every other death's shadow.

>>52855609
>implying burn isn't a combo deck as well

>>52855628
I'm still talking about 8whack

Can you do anything cool with painter's servant in modern?

>>52855552
You should. It's the best aggro deck in the format. It wins through RIP/Leyline more than Affinity wins through Stony Silence/multiple Grudges.
>>52855609
No not really, given the deck doesn't have enough direct Burn to win without a board nor enough real threats that can go toe-to-toe w/ Death's Shadow, Lingering Souls, Conflagrate etc etc.

>>52855652
Define "cool". You can use it to mill entire libraries with Sphinx's Tutelage.
>>52855637
Point
---------
Your head

>>52855679
It really is sweet when Affinity wins through Stony Silence though. Did you watch the final match of the Team Unified Modern GP?

>>52855679
>Lingering Souls
What is Legion Loyalist?

>>52855713
I did, key words being optimal series of draws. I did it maybe twice myself before I sold the deck, again with perfect draws involving no artifact mana sources and nothing but Grids, Etched Champions and Signal Pests.

>>52855555
>FNM

>>52855731
Most likely in the yard or exile vs BGx.

>>52855713
That shit sucks. Which is why I run 4 kataki and 4 stony silence in the side and main deck 2 pridemage and 4 path.

>>52855749
Majority of our modern players also travel to and attend Modern GPs there is hardly any casual decks here.

>>52855793
kek
>>52855804
You must be 18+ to be on 4chan.

>>52855853
>KEK XD
>Oh by the way you have to be 18 or older to post here

Nice one champ

>>52855885
Please stop posting

>>52855885
>no one is impressed by my deck going 3-1 at FNM
>better complain more

>>52854175
Did they?

>>52855955
>>52855949
Should be a rule where you have to have at least attended one Grand Prix to post here

>>52855987
Yes, there should be.

>>52854175
How can non green creatures even compete?

>>52843540
careful with this hotshot he's pretty rich

how do you folks find deals on booster boxes?

>>52856360
Do you feel better now? Making a dumb comment an eternity later?

>>52856387
we buy singles

>>52856387
I doubt a lot of people here buy boxes. I do occasionally for drafting with friends, but we just all pitch in for whatever price our lgs sets. (Always support your local game stores.)

>>52856387
>>52856426
This.

>>52855970

Of course. Why do you think a small thragtusk comes out when resto targets thragdaddy

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>>52853361
unban eye of ugin, the meta can handle it.

>>52855695

>painters and tutelage

if they have no lands, maybe.

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>>52856866

>>52855409

wrong, wrong wrong.

3cmc does not make a walker modern playable, it's just an asset. Koth sees play because he's damage/mana par in a midrange deck. Nahiri saw play because she was a t4 threat into a t6 win if you protected her.

Karn and ugin both see play at 7 and 8 mana (effectively 3 and 4 in their respective deck).

The only banned planeswalker costs 4.

The two Lilianas are 3 mana, and it is an asset, but it's by no means the standard. Maybe old 3cmc Nissa or new XCC nissa could see some play, but it's sketchy.

Tezz agent of bolas sees play at 4. Elspeth sees play at 6. Gideon sees some play at 4. The fact of the matter is that 3 mana planeswalker piques people's interests for competitive play, but it always boils down to the value they provide when they hit the board and the resultant power when they are protected vs their mana cost.

>>52857388

Oh and new Chandra sees fringe play at 4.

Any suggestion to make a tribal zombie deck? Are white zombies from amonkhet good enough to be considered in modern?

>>52857442
Tribal is garbage unless you do something busted. Zombies are just mediocre grindy creatures

>>52853430
i mean maro has blogatog on tumblr

>>52857442

People try and try tribal zombies. It's just no good.

They don't have cheap enough Lords. You're better off playing fish, art modding them to look undead, the borders to be black, and your islands to look like swamps.

If you really really want zombies, here are a few potentially good cards to start with:

Cryptbreaker
Death Baron
Prized Amalgam
Gravecrawler
Diregraf colossus
Diregraf captain

You will probably have to do some sifting, some digging for more cards, and maybe run a generic value engine like collected company. There might be some efficient token generators out there.

Best of luck.

>>52856426
Ouch, destroyed.

>>52856433
Why would I support the cancer killing MTG?

>>52857442
The best zombie lists I've seen are Sultai CoCo lists, and even then it basically just plays like a crappier version of fish with more removal.

It's a playable deck that can win, but there are better decks out there that do the same thing.

>>52857838
Wait, what? Are you saying local game stores are the cancer killing mtg?

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>>52857600
>You're better off playing fish, art modding them to look undead, the borders to be black, and your islands to look like swamps.

>MMA Aether Vials into Ludevic "Wtf am I creating?"
>Every fish into some stitched-together monster
>Spreading Seas become a some overwhelming horde is zombies
>pic related for your islands

A Blue deck that plays like Green and looks like Black. Guess I have to buy Merfolk now.

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>>52857896
Make spreading seas look like pic related (or any of its alt art if you prefer).

>>52857887
Exactly.

>>52858055
>sell mtg and mtg accessories
>provide place for people to play
>cancer
Alright, you got me.

>>52858120
You forgot:
>drive up prices for everyone by selling boxes at two to three hundred percent of retail value.

>>52855531
EldraI tron is a worse tron deck. When ppl lose to tron they say "yeah i got turn 3 karned out of the game" not "yeah my opponent had natural tron and played a 3/3 walking balista and I couldn't deal"

>>52858158
You just have a shitty LGS then.

>>52858167
Tron is more incidental in Eldrazi Tron. It would like to have it, but it doesn't need it to win.

>>52858120
There's always that one guy claiming that LGSs are killing the hobby and the world would be better without them. He always sound like a raging retard and has no arguments to back off his claim.
Guess hes just your regular fucktard.

I have a story
>go to FNM
>don't have my modern deck finished so I have to borrow one
>some guy lets me borrow his UB Mill for my spot in a sealed event
>sweet I know this deck well enough and it's fun
>lose round one against burn
>go to round 2 against a GW humans brew
>Begin to mill him out and he gains life
>he casually mentions he hates this deck
>around this time the owner of the deck comes over and watches me play
>I cast mind funeral and the humans dude sighs loudly, complains, loses half his deck, then flips of the owner of the deck
>following turn I cast crypt incursion on him and he says he scoops
>I say go to game two and he says "No you don't understand I scoop"
>Goes on a rant how you can't interact against mill and its completely unfair
>as he puts away his deck he slams his deckbox close so hard everyone turns their heads towards him
>he apologizes and then pouts the rest of the round

He lost the round before that to merfolk so he/I locked him out of winning packs

Have you ever made someone rage like that?
Have you ever raged like that?

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>>52858167
It's not really a fair comparison to make though, the decks are doing different things. Traditional tron is all about assembling the 3 tron lands and taking over the game with overwhelming mana advantage and hard to answer fatties, whereas eldrazitron is more or less a midrange deck that can potentially overwhelm the opponent by assembling tron and slamming fatties.

>>52858203
Im sure no plays till turn 4 tks is a winning line

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>>52858158
>his LGS has shitty business practices so therefore all LGS's do
Sound reasoning anon.

>>52857442
Geralf's messenger + relentless dead. Use eldritch evolution to windmill slam Gary.

>>52858487
Have you watched or played Eldrazi Tron matches?

>>52858434
i've played against some shitters who built baby's first goblin deck, and they're not usually very happy to go up against soul sisters
that being said, i've never had anyone rage to the point of just saying "you get the win" after the first game

>>52858434
>Have you ever made someone rage like that?
No. I've had people get super salty, but never like that.
>Have you ever raged like that?
No. I'd rather win than lose, but I don't really give a fuck. It's just a game.

>>52855987
I agree desu, maybe even require they Day 2'd a Grand Prix

>>52858590
>thread becomes either empty or one try-hard talking to himself

>>52858434
I was playing rug delver against some guys jank g/r token deck. He was visibly angry and just began flipping his cards around and saying how unfair delve and mandrills are.
I then played against some b/r vampire madness trash but at least that guy was chill and fun despite being destroyed.
I don't think you can really act like a baby when you bring non competitive shit brews. You shouldn't act like a baby regardless, but I digress

>>52858534
Played aginst it enough, with enough diffrent decks to wonder why it is a thing im playing against

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>>52854811
>been using condemn main board as a 2 of
>everyone told me to just run Path

AND THEY CALLED ME CRAZY

Anyways, been thinking of buying those Unhinged land card sleeves.
Are they good? Or should I skip them entirely?

>>52858674
I picked up a pack of the new eclipse sleeves, but i haven't actually tried them yet. I hear good things, like Ultra Pro might have finally done something right since the Satin tower.

>>52858434
>Have you ever made someone rage like that?
No, but there's this one kid who plays a memey B/R midrange vampire deck at my LGS who loudly complains to me every week about how my deck is bullshit and it's ruining the format and how he can't understand how it could possibly be enjoyable for anyone to play. For reference I play G/B Tron.

I think if the rest of the community at the store wasn't so friendly and helpful (we've tried helping him improve his deck and recommended budget upgrades for his list) he would have raged out long ago.

>>52858674
I've heard the quality of ultra-pro sleeves has really gone up recently but I haven't used them myself.

>>52858710
Kids make for really bad losers.

>>52858434
Personally, I love when people get mad at me for playing Burn.

>playing against classic Jund
>He goes first
>Fetch, Overgrown Tomb, Thoughtsieze
>Reveal 2 lands, 2 Swiftspear, Lightning Bolt, Lava Spike, Boros Charm
>Him: "Man, Burn is such bullshit!"
>Me: "Hey, man, let's just play the game, okay?"
>Him: "Fuck you, I concede game 1"
>Me: "Sure, but can we not use profanity? There's a kid right next to us."
>Him: "No, fuck, I say whatever the shit I want, bitch!"
>Owner: "Hey! Quit your cussin' or you're outta here!"
>Go to game two
>Win easily thanks to his misplays

Good times.

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How many m8's death shadow here? Im expecting no changes to the modern ban list tomorrow but i do still feel the worst. Godspeed.

>>52858906
Not death's shadow here, but know cool bros who do death's shadow.

>>52858759
What is the purpose of these stories? We all have bad player/salty player stories. i cant count how many time baddies on burn have cried "lifegain is bullshit" when i've cast feed the clan as Jund.

>>52855394
Do you have any idea how good jace is?

>>52858984
Kys faggot

>>52858984
The purpose is to share common or relatable experiences. It's part of discussion about the hobby. Don't you have a specific story you'd like to share? Because I would like to hear it.

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>>52858759
>>some retard out there is still starting at 15 life as Jund in this meta
Why tho

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>>52859135
>some retard out there is still playing traditional jund in this meta

>>52859135
You're dumb and don't play modern

>>52859135
Death's Shadow isn't really a thing at one of the two lgs I go to. It's mostly a bunch of guys with fair midrange decks tying to play "good, wholesome Magic". I'm trying to teach them they have to mix it up sometimes, so I'm bringing Tron From this week.

>>52859245
>I'm trying to teach them they have to mix it up sometimes, so I'm bringing Tron From this week.
You should bring UW Control and beat them at their own game

>bought all my UW control cards yesterday before the inevitable spike
feels good man

>>52859261
I'll have to look at lists, but maybe? I'm pretty sure I have a bunch of pieces already. Before I look, im assuming it plays stuff like Supreme Verdict, celestial Colonade, some counters (maybe around 10 or so?), and Sphinxs Rev? Cuz I've got all that already.

>>52859281
Literally nothing spiked

>>52859245
>entire store is midrange
>bring tron one week, roll over them
>proceed to do this for months
>over time the meta has shifted to accommodate this
>40% of the store is on tron, 20% midrange, 40% ultra fast aggro.
This is what happened to my LGS over the past few months. Be careful how often you bring tron or your meta might end up like this.

>>52859312
Yeah, and the counters are thinks like logic knot and cryptic. A few copies of snapcaster.

>>52858906
Death's Shadow isn't only a card or a deck. It's a way of life.

You get as close to Game Over as possible to win. The deck might die to a ban, but such a risk is the same as lowering your life total and playing dangerously to win. Embrace the risk.

>>52859640
13/13 great post

>>52859640
>Death's Shadow isn't only a card or a deck. It's a way of life.
gay

>>52859640
Death's shadow is lame. Delver in any format

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>>52859718
>soon we can have Delvers 5-8.

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>>52859640
>Embrace the risk
This is why I play a linear hyper-aggro deck that basically dies to a single card.
that and the fact that artifact tribal is best tribal

>>52859756
Please don't compare the two. It's rude

>>52858759
>itt: Things that never happened

>>52859847
retard alert

So what's changed that made UW control viable?

>>52860439
>playing a tier 1 deck
>retarded
k