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>>52841669

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Archaon's "Sigmar, save me" scene is the most beautiful and touching lore in all warhammer's history. I would literally kill for it to be animated or be adapted as a film. The scene is the essence of all of warhammer crystallised into a single moment. When despair makes way for dark determination., when love turns into hate, when faith turns to heresy!

The problem is...how should voice Archaon/Kastner?

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>>52841617
I've seen it done with other models. The effect can be quite striking.

>>52841860
>The scene is the essence of all of warhammer crystallised into a single moment
it's not? It's what Chaosfags and Sigmarfags think Warhammer is about, when in fact it's nothing but a cancer that wormed itself into being the centrepiece of the bigger picture.

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>>52841669
I made a single adjustment to my homebrew. This would probably be the last time I post it unless anyone wants me to try out stating various war machines.

>>52841860
who should*

>>52841867
Would it work for the majority of the army to be painted like that though?

>>52842073
I think it would end up looking kind of samey, like an army that only has primer. If you are going to go for that technique it should only be for specific types of units rather than the whole army.

>>52842073
As long as you have some objects in your army that bringa some more colour to it I think that might make for a cool ghost army.

>>52842494
>>52842208
I was planning on only doing it with grave guard, black knights, skeletons, and the Wight kings(Besides the other obvious ethereal things).

So the zombies. ghouls, fell bats, bat swarms, dire wolves, and the black coach, plus most of the characters wouldn't be.

>>52841860
Auto-tuned Gilbert Gottfried.

>>52842558
It'd look like Night On Bald Mountain, in a really good way.

Black Coach could probably be painted that way too, if you made it flying.

>>52841669
Do Dawi men frequently get any sexual urges? How are they to sate them if the ratio of Dawi men to women is like 10:1? Are Dawi men gay?

>>52841860

Peewee Herman

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>>52842615
Saw this a couple threads back, though it would look nice and work with the army themes.

>>52842708
They fuck humans, some even fornicate with elves.

>>52842708

They knock one out.

>>52842708
Dwarf wives take multiple husbands. Snorri fucked humans and half-Elves. Long Drong and his crew lived their entire lives aboard a ship and never once saw a woman, but they're navy men so gay sex is a given.

>>52842708
Slayer oaths.

They take courtship and stuff so seriously that there's almost no chance of prostitution, or even necessarily premarital sex. It's more than likely they'd take a slayer oath if they can't get a wife - they say it's because they cannot stand being the last of their family's line, or perhaps despairing that they will leave nothing by their existence without heirs, but we know better.

On another note, it's probably more than likely that dawi just throw themselves into their work and don't get the same sort of sexual urges humans get. Even elves probably think humans think about sex way too much, and they actually have the occasional pleasure cult.

>>52842735
I saw one once where the "spirit cloud" from the Coven Throne was modded into the team that looked nice.

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>>52842801
This one

>>52843001
?**

>>52842708
>the ratio of Dawi men to women is like 10:1
Is there any source saying that, because the only way that would make biological sense is if dwarf women birthed dozens at a time.

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>>52843066
It's 3:1, not 10:1
Gestation is about the same as humans, but fertility is lower, made up for by the longer lifespan. Dwarf women have 4 children on average.
Dwarfs: Stone and Steel is the best source for that stuff.

Can anyone suggest good alternative models the for Alcatani Fellowship?

>>52843245
There was a guy in this thread a while back who was planning to use the Perry Mercenaries with this sprue: https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/greeks/products/greek-hoplite-command-sprue

There might be scale issues though.

>squires

>>52843284

That's probably the best suggestion I've seen so far. Perry's tend to be pretty realistic in their scaling though and usually look weedy next to GW's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYQKrx4do4M

>>52845269
As long as you keep the unit consistent is doesn't really matter though. Gw isn't even internally consistent.

Especially if the models are wearing helmets or have big beards, stuff that make the proportions a bit more difficult to read, you probably won't even notice.

Biggest give away might be the hands. In terms of size it goes like GW>Warlord>Perry with GW being noticeably bigger than warlord even.

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>>52841808

You walked into the wrong thread deadfucks.

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>>52846470
t. heretic.

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>>52846555

> WS3
> BS3
> I3

A 'disciplined' army.

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>>52844412
OUTTA MY WAY NON-SQUIRE MEME'N SHITS

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>>52846724
U W0T

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Do Chaos Knights have squires? Do Black Knights have squires? Do Dragon Knights have squires?

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>>52847192

I'm glad somebody here's asking the questions we all want to know the answers to.

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>>52847192
well none of those things are real knights so i wouldnt think so. also you mean the dragon princes. if you mean the blood dragon knights then yes they did have squires at one point when they were living if there were bretonnian

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This is now a Bretonnia appreciation thread.

All peasants are kindly asked to leave.

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>>52847413

>>52847356
>none of those things are real knights

What do you mean? They're horsemen that wear heavy armor and use lances. Chaos Knights and Dragon Princes (yeah that's what I meant) even have a sort of martial pride and considering themselves superior to other troops. You could say it's not like in real world history, but in real world history knighthood varied wildly by region and time period.

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>>52847413

>>52847515

Well, not him but Knighthood is as much a rank of social standing as it is related to marital prowess.

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>>52847515
i mean exactly what i said you nigger peasant. horsemen that wear heavy armor and use lances arent automatically knights. a knight is a given title. plenty of horsemen that wore heavy armor and used lances werent knights. its like saying someone is a samurai because they wear armor and have a sword

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>>52847356
You don't need to be a 'real knight' to have a squire. And Dragon Princes are absolutely 'real knights', however you want to define it.

>>52847192
Dragon Princes absolutely would have squires to dress them, maintain their armour, get them new lances for the next charge, serve them at court, etc. I don't know if Black Knights and Chaos Knights would have them, the first because they are undead and never remove the armour, and the second because the armour encases them always; they're both constantly battle-ready. A Chaos Knight would probably have some retainers, lesser cultists who polish the skull collection and provide fodder (or are fodder) for the horse.

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>>52847569
Dragon Princes are literally princes. Black Knights are dead chieftains and dead knights (though arguably this status matters less now that they're dead).. Chaos Knights are the famed, hand-marked champions of their gods, elevated and honoured by their tribes.

>>52847583
So you're either myopic or retarded. Good to know.

>>52847628

Well I guess the former would have and have had squires. For WoC it's usually who kills everyone else first who gets to be knight.

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>>52847587
squires are part of the knight system. if they werent "real" knights that give titles and have a code and blah blah blah then they wouldnt be squires but just attendants or something. by definition a squire is someone expecting to be knighted someday

but yeah i really dont know anything about the dragon princes other than they all basically got cucked out of riding dragons

>>52847628
you didnt address my point at all. is a guy who wears armor, has high social status and has a sword on his hip a samurai? i want you to directly answer this you filthy cocksucker

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Does anyone think GW will do a one-off Bret knight like Slambo to squeeze the last few shekels from the Fantasy community?

I'd like to tell them to fuck off but I know I'd buy it.

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>>52847684
Tyrion took a girl named Princess Eyldra as his squire when she wanted to avenge her father's death by Dark Elf, and taught her how to be a warrior. I don't know the ins and outs of the High Elf system of honours and titles, but the text used the word 'squire' and people took issue with the fact that she was some teenage bint, not Tyrion training a young person to lead armies and fight in battles.

And no, I don't want to chase your goalposts down the field of non-sequitur.

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>>52847788
I doubt it - they seemed to have dropped them entirely and said good riddance, and they're trying to pump up all the new shit they're doing.

At best, someone might ask for it as one of those limited runs of old models they're doing, I forget the term.

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>>52847628
>Dragon Princes are literally princes

why would a literal prince stoop down to being knighted? i mean it does happen in real life sometimes but you really dont seem to get the point that knighthood is a title that is given. is also pretty low on the totem pole and any other noble title is going to be higher ranked

>>52847809
>And no, I don't want to chase your goalposts down the field of non-sequitur.

typical redditor just cant fucking admit youre wrong. all you have to say it "oh yeah i didnt think about it like that, i guess youre right"

but i want you to know that i know youre wrong. you know youre wrong. and everyone reading it knows youre wrong. knight isnt just another word for mounted lancer or some shit. its an entire system. you dont become a samurai by having a sword. youre not a houscarl just because you have an ax ect ect ect

do orcs have butts

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>>52847954
If Orcs didn't have butts, they wouldn't be able to sit on chairs. This orc is sitting on a chair. Case closed.

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>>52847970
>>52847954

they could be like the coneheads

>>52848012

A better questions is do all butts have an Orc attached?

>>52847895

True but you know what they're like, after a few years they'll smell nostalgia cash that they can scrape in.

>>52847809
Tyrion is a Prince and Silver Helm.

Dragon Princes are elite Silver Helms, found only in Caledor.

So yes, they have squires.

>>52847939
To High Elves, "Prince" means governor and high nobility. "Noble" is low nobility or a war hero.

The Caledorian defining trait is proud asshole. They consider their mere really good knights to be equal to the Princes of other nations and refuse to salute the Phoenix King, marking even him as inferior although they claim its because the last Caledorian Phoenix King gave them permission to never salute another.

>>52847684
Dragon Princes used to ride Dragons, but since the Vortex sucks magic out of the world in order to make it so less Daemons can manifest the unnatural volcanoes the Dragons sleep in of the artificial continent the High Elves call home have cooled which means less Dragons wake up in time for war. So if the Dragon doesn't wake up they just ride horses.

>>52847954
Pooping is a canon important part of Orc culture, so yes.

But they don't have penises.

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>>52848272
>Pooping is a canon important part of Orc culture

I thought it was the poop itself that was important, not the act of pooping.

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>>52841382
I sprayed the Spirit Host model with Army Painter white primer, touched it up with a little bit of ceramite white wherever the spray didn't fully coat. When that was dry, I coated it with green wash, and used blue wash as an accent (I picked them up today from the comic shop). When the wash was dry I drybrushed it with wrack white.

Now that the easy messy parts are done there's still a bunch of smaller detail things that need to be painted and the base needs a lot of work, but I am loving the results I've gotten so far. I should think about what other models I could be painting with this technique, especially since I had to buy these big stupid-sized pots of wash because GW probably decided they could make more money that way.

>>52848427
The product is building materials.

The act can be done either as disrespect to other races or as celebration of their own gods.

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>>52848580

You can basically paint everything with nothing else but primer, white and a plenteora of washes.

Though at least one brightish metal colour still would be a good idea, painting metal without metal colours and without some investment always looks REALLY shitty.

pic related

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M'lady

>>52849243
>without some investment always looks REALLY shitty.
>pic related

I agree that pic related looks like shit.

>>52849408
Its 40k, there's a low ceiling for how good it can be in the first place.

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>>52849597
indeed It's 40k.

*tips*
*Fire multimelta in the WHFBgrognards*

>>52849626
Holy shit is it real it's even more awful than the actual mini. I can't stop laughing

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>>52849243
I think I would be more apt to use it for painting stuff like skinks that have a lot of exposed flesh. I painted my skeleton warriors using a combination of brown wash and drybrushing with a bit of ushtabi bone and white, and I think they turned out good.

When it comes to stuff like armor and cloth though I think it's better to actually paint them with base coats and build up some layering, otherwise it starts looking a bit like it was just painted white and colored in with magic markers. Depending on the model, it's also important to choose whether the primer is going to be black, white, or gray.

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>>52849681
Also, I did my vargheist's skin by painting them white, coating with purple wash, and then airbrushing some white on. I have an airbrush and they were one of my first attempts at using it to paint the majority of a model.

I used my airbrush to knock out some the body coloring on my Crypt Ghouls, too. There's only so many brown little ghouls a man can paint by hand before he goes mad. I really hate ghouls and I put off finishing them longer than anything else in my collection just because painting them is so damn boring. At least I don't have to paint any more brown on them though.

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>>52849667
Laughing at yourself is the last thing you can do while your girl suck on my Huge Dwarf Gun

>>52841860
Fuck me you have low standards

>>52841860
> I would literally kill for it to be animated or be adapted as a film. The scene is the essence of all of warhammer crystallised into a single moment. When despair makes way for dark determination., when love turns into hate, when faith turns to heresy!

Would George Lucas direct it?

>>52849626
who the fuck thought that was kool?

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>>52849399
>>52849626
>>52849796
>delete Squats from 40k because "they're embarrassing"
>Age of Smegmar's Dorfinheimers™ happen

>>52850005
No, they just lost Squat IP, moron

>>52850144
They could just pull an "Astra Militarum", yet they didn't

Squats were unpopular and embarassing, so they squatted them

High Elven Squires are a different story since they literally live for over a thousand years, which means squires would be very rare, Silver Helms are defacto Knights, but also a modern Cavalry Brigade with tightly knit organisation, I could see the High Helm or higher Ranking members like Tyrion being allowed Squires though.

Dragon Princes aren't precicely "Silver Helms in Caledor" since they are basically Noble Volunteer Riders, not really bound by the code and rules that make the Silver Helms, they are also proud cunts full of themself, so I can definately see every Dragon Prince keeping Squires, probably multiple in fact. Those would probably be of similar birth as themself, seeing how they would never make a lesser elf into a Dragon Prince.

Chaos Knights care only for personal gain in power and would not train their own competition.

>>52847587
>>52847684
>>52847628

According to the Tome of Corruption, Chaos Knights are Chaos Warriors who have obtained enough notoriety in the eyes of the dark gods to receive a Chaos Steed, so I guess they have at least a small group of retainers that could be considered their "squires".

Dragon Princes definitely have a squire, and even more servants. They're elven princes from the noble houses of Caledor,after all.

Maybe Black Knights had squires in live, but now that they're dead and always ready for battle, I don't think they have. Maybe a Wight King who was a knight in battle will have a skelly going around with him because he remembers that's how it's supposed to be, but they actual use of an squire is simply irrelevant for a skeletal undead.

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>>52848580
One down, two to go.

>>52850255
>Squats were unpopular and embarassing, so they squatted them

They squatted WHFB for the same reason

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>>52850255
Squats actually sold well up to the point where they squatted them. Supposedly some people at GW despised them because they weren't edgy enough and they didn't like the scatological jokes made about their names.

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what's your favourite Armor Style in Warhammer? For me it's Vampiric/Sylvanian Armor, End Times and AoS kinda ruined it imo by making it the default Nagshi/Undead Armor, but I always like the idea of it being simply the traditional style or armor smithing found in Sylvania akin to the Armor of Empire Plate Armour.

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>>52851673
High Elves, white and blue ithilmar plate with mail shirts cracks me up.

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>>52851764
I like High Elf armors too, but they lack the gritty practicality Sylvanian Armors have imo.

especially the Fluting and use of Chainmail are my favourite parts about it, invoking a mix of High Medieval, and Renaissance "transsylvanian Counts" theme. Though the Collar looks a bit silly.

>>52847569
That would depend on what time period you're refering to. There's a reason why in alot of european languages the word for knight translates as rider.

>>52850299
>According to the Tome of Corruption, Chaos Knights are Chaos Warriors who have obtained enough notoriety in the eyes of the dark gods to receive a Chaos Steed, so I guess they have at least a small group of retainers that could be considered their "squires".
There's a great piece of artwork in WoC's 8th ed rulebook that depicts a mounted Nurgle Lord surrounded by what looks likes religious retainers performing some sort of ritual/parade as their master moves through the Chaos Horde. I could see similar devotees fill the role of squires to the Knights of Chaos.

>>52852371
Please post it anon

>>52852004
>practicality

Honestly, the only ones that are actually practicality-minded are the pure humans. High Elven and Vampire armors are pure bullshit, and get more than a little bit silly.

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>>52852371
>>52852406
Was it this?

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>>52852415
safe for the overly spikey endings, the Vamp armor is perfectly fine plate armour.

certainly not all of them, like pic related.

>>52852419
Yeppers. Couldn't find it myself on my phone so thanks are in order!

Is Chaos Spawn statted anywhere in WFRP 2ed?

>>52852743
There are some stats in Tome of Corruption, but they aren't really the stats of a big chaos spawn like the wargame.

>>52852791
Where are they? I saw chaos ogres/troll ones even thingie to generate them, but chaos spawn was nowhere to be seen

>>52852807
Page 57 (59 of the PDF).

>>52852850
Thanks anon, may eight folded path guide you.

>>52852488
>safe for the overly spikey endings, the Vamp armor is perfectly fine plate armour.
you could even say the whole design is loosely based on historical armor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_armour

>>52849827
Then give a better example.

>>52852850
And how about possessed?

>>52850255
>>52850144
>>52850512
for what its worth, in Jervis' recent interview he said it was cause they didn't sell well. They thought they'd be popular cause dwarfs were popular. They thought eldar weould be unpopular cause elves were unpopular at the time.
Admittedly he went on to say that Eldar's popularity was linked to their big hats so I don't know how much stock should be put in the interview

>>52852922
The hats draw you in then you learn about how cool Eldar are.

>>52852488
>safe for the overly spikey endings

That's just it, though, it's like saying "save for the fact that it's made of cardboard, it's an excellent tank".

Look at that fucking neckpiece on the back. Look at that shit in front of him just waiting to have something snag on it. You could pelt him with fucking pumpkins and he'd be unable to see and fall into a ditch.

And the gargoyles on his knees are just begging to be kicked or have someone fall on them, violently pulling his kneecaps sideways.

That said, it's not the worst armour in Warhammer Fantasy, and there's certainly worse offenders even in the Empire - but on average, there's still a distinct difference, and at least most of the human offenders can be argued as being fitted for people in a ceremonial capacity and never intended for combat - at least fluff-wise.

The idea of Karl Franz actually being at the frontline thick of it is fucking stupid. Always was. And even then, he's usually depicted with surprisingly serviceable armour.

>>52852908
There's material on Possession on page 20 (22 of the PDF) and Darksouls on 156 (158).
Actual Mordheim Possessed are just a kind of chaos spawn I guess except with a daemon in them.

>>52852886
Literally any one of the countless regular people that are trampled into the mud with the exact same words on their lips.

>>52852970
Thanks!

>>52852971
then post it

>>52849626
This is art for the next WoW expansion, right? Or that Blizzard card game.

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>>52849626
that's so fucking horrible on every level.

>>52853471
Still better than rehashing the same 3 pics since 1998

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>>52851673
Probably a tie for me between Bretonnian and Sylvanian armor, specifically the old Grave Guard.

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Hey folks.

I'm really new to the game and my friend has a collection of VC models he wants me to try; but he has no experience or knowledge of VC units; He is mostly a painter/collector and plays only skaven.

Could anyone of you give me the list of a somewhat competetive VC list for 1500/2000 points? There is going to be a local turney and I'd like to know how to actually have a chance without meta-knowledge.

I've read the 1d4chan page and it reccomends the blender-lord.
>People usually tell me that 1d4chan is outdated and wrong.
It will be 8th edition.

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>>52853481
no it's not.

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>>52853481
No. No. Not really.
Thankfully, art never really gets "old".

Art has no inherent value simply because it's new or novel. Shit art and concepts that are new are still shit shit, and good art and concepts that are old are still good.

>>52852990
>then post it

I just did. What are you on about?

>>52848580

I don't know what the fuck I used to do before washes, definitely GW's best invention.

>>52853639
you posted no proof.

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>>52853628
I don't mind the pectoral cuirass but that is a really shitty helmet design.
The artist should have used some historical references at least.

>>52853971
>>52853628

He looks more like a Tilean Burgomaster.

>>52853481
>Non sequitor deluxe

>>52853603

A usual set up for 8th will be a level 4 Necromancer to take care of the magic and a 'blender' Vampire who pretty much focuses on melee. Builds usually revolve around an Ogre Blade. At 2000 points though you can only spend 500 on Lords so be careful.

Core is not straight forward in VC, a lot of people like ghouls, I always preferred zombie and skeleton tar-pits. I suppose it comes down to whatever models he has available but for the latter they need to be in regiments of 50 really.

Vargheists and Terrorgheists are the heavy hitters in Special and Rare.

Depends how you want to deliver your Vampire but if on horseback 10 - 15 black knights would be best and if on foot either at the front of skellies or in a unit of 30 grave guard.

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>>52853971
Looks like he did famalan

>>52854110
I'm not seeing any similarity.
I guess there's a bird on top of both.

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>>52851673

I think that purple armour is supposed to be that forged in Nagashizzar.

I really like the demigryph riders.

>>52852971
What makes Archaon great is that his suffering encompasses all what the WHFB humanity is going through.

Also I don't like the hypocrisy of cheering the Brets for abandoning Lileath while badmouthing Archaon for doing the same with Sigmar. At least Archaon wasn't selfish about it.

>>52854675
>cheering the Brets for abandoning Lileath

What? How could the brettonians "abandon" Lileath? Brettonnians worship the traditional gods (sans Sigmar), with a focus on the southern ones, and the nobility is all about the Grail Cult.

Lileath is a fucking elven goddess.

>>52854731
>What? How could the brettonians "abandon" Lileath?

Lileath is the Lady of the Lake.

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>>52854675
>What makes Archaon great is that his suffering encompasses all what the WHFB humanity is going through.

Bullshit. The vast majority of humanity doesn't relate to Archaon at all. You want to depict what humanity is going through, do that - don't try to pin some metaphorical or allegorical shit.

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>>52854731
The Lady is Lileath, and they abandoned her without just cause. After all she had done for them.

In Archaon's case he is justified in hating Sigmar.

>>52854759
>Lileath is the Lady of the Lake.

Only in End Times/Age of Sigmar, which is inapplicable to the Warhammer Fantasy setting. The same goes for Brettonnians "abandoning" the Lady of the Lake.

>>52854799
It's the same setting tho.

>>52854766
>The vast majority of humanity doesn't relate to Archaon at all.

Refer to Archaon's speech to the Sister of Sigmar and his speech to the masses of WoC in the eternal battle. Archaon knows how the people of the empire feel when their prayers are not answered and then left to the accursed dark. Archaon knows the struggle and pain of the damned. Forced and manipulated to be playthings of mad gods against their will.

He genuinely wants to end all their suffers. Dude is the most relatable guy around to the point that GW called him an Anti-Hero.

>>52854799
>which is inapplicable to the Warhammer Fantasy setting.

Here comes the headcanon brigade.

>>52854850
suffering*

>>52854799
>The Empire Strike Back is a different setting than Star Wars because we find out Vader is Luke's father.

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>Nigger posting autistpunk dwarfs in my WHFB thread


Brb gonna go shitpost on AoS general about my old dorfs and how the new ones look retarded.

>>52854850
But he's also the source of their suffering - he's as much the one doing the manipulating as the one being manipulated.

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We're about to get chivalrous up in this mother fucker.

https://tabletop-miniatures-solutions.com/new-products

>>52854941
>But he's also the source of their suffering

Archaon was the ender of suffering.
He mercy killed the world.

>>52854941
Him being the Lord of End Times was a means to end. He took no pleasure from the death and destruction (except for the obliteration of the lie that is Sigmar). He only wanted everything to end so there might be a new beginning. Untainted by the hypocrisy and corruption that doomed the Old World.

Simply put, Archaon did not start the fire. He only threw more gasoline on it so it would burn itself out and end the suffering of the burn victim.

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>week 3 of no WFRP due to conflicting work schedules among players
>my mind is making up scenarios and conversations on what my character would think and say due to boredom

>>52854766
Lovely picture but what exactly is it depicting? The pic-name only gives me that much.

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>>52855057
i can't believe there are people this edgy and tryhard in the world

>reminder that skubtimes isnt canon
>reminder that gw is embarrassed about it and is falling over itself trying to reassure fans that the new 40k edition isnt anything like smegma
>reminder that the gw ceo was fired because of it
reminder that multiple official gw fantasy products have been produced after scubtimes which is enough to assume its a different timeline or a soft retcon with everyone ignoring it

>>52854869
At least one thing about End Times has to be ignored, though: Shallya being Taal's wife, instead of Rhya. It's the weirdest change all of a sudden that they never really explained.

>>52854814
>It's the same setting tho.

No, it's really not. The fact that "Lady of the Lake = Lileath" is just further evidence of how it's not.

>>52854869
Nobody is saying it's not canon. It is canon - in the End Times/Age of Sigmar setting. The fact that it's canon really doesn't matter.

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>>52854869
there's a difference between Headcanon and simply denying hamfisted changes to age old lore and the sheer flood of skub that was 8ed and End Times.

Much of it is written to support the new narrative, instead of developing a narrative out of the established lore, which Storm of Chaos was closer to.

>>52855832
>No, it's really not.

Yes it is.
You can't just say it's not and be believed.

>>52850005

It was never about them being embarrassing or not selling well, it was simply that no one could muster the motivation to continue working on what they had created since they saw them as too far removed from what they saw as the core tenets of dwarfs.

>>52852922

It was Goodwin who talked about big hats.

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>>52854201
It's an evolution of the Chalcidian helmet which in turn is an evolution of the Corinthian, you heathen.
Can you still not see the resemblance?

Help me /tg/

I might as well be new to fantasy...I played dogs of war when I was smaller and badly.....I think maybe empire too? The units that stand out are, a giant, a dragon, jaguar polearms, halfling hotpot, a gold cart, and a cannon.

I'm getting back in with I think it's a 1000 point army but otherwise I know diddly about fantasy (i know a bunch about 40k). Where do I start? How do I start? My friend plays fantasy and I want to play with him.

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>>52855530
You don't need to ignore it. It's just a different setting, with different themes and assumptions, and a different metaplot and a different metaphysical reality. Shallya being Taal's wife is just part of that, as is the idea of the gods being some form of physically existing personas and shit like that.

End Times make no fucking sense in relation to Warhammer Fantasy. It is de facto a different setting, regardless of proclaimed "canon" or "de jure" arguments.

>>52855385
>Lovely picture but what exactly is it depicting? The pic-name only gives me that much.
I honestly don't know. I think it's just "random" pseudo-historical fantasy art by Adrian Smith. I don't think it's *actually* meant to depict anything Warhammer - but I think that it's still extremely fitting, but what it would depict is entirely debatable.

It looks like non-chaos norscans of some kind. Could always pretend that they're "norscans" that fled to "Iceland" after a highborn conflict, or something like that. Would make for a nice real-world analogy.

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can /wfg/ recommend me a good slann/cuatl lord model?i have been searching online but cannot find anything really close...

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Why are Chaos Warriors so weak in WHFRP? Knights have better advances available despite not possessing the augmentations of Chaos and the fluff saying that individual Warriors of Chaos are stronger than individual knights.

>>52856034

What's wrong with that one?

I think you'll struggle to find an alternative for a giant frog on a flying chair.

>>52852886
Azhag gaining just enough intelligence from the crown of nagash to be self reflective and realising orcs are the architects of their own destruction and ultimately flawed creations

>>52856104
well i cannot find any place that still has it in stock at an non-inflated price

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>>52852886
>>52856144

Wow get rekt.

>>52856075
Because you're comparing a basic chaos warrior to a fucking knight. Very different things. The Chaos Warrior career represents someone that's pretty much just starting out to truly serve the ruinous powers. Under most circumstances, Knights are, what, a third-tier career at best?

>>52856075

Wouldn't the equivalent be chaos chosen one? Do they have a career as well?

>>52856027
To me they look more Kurgan than Norscan and their banner-tops reminds me of the emblem of Khorne.

I would like to know why the father and son are seemingly opposing a whole army by themselves. Any writefags around that would like to humour me?

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>>52856199
>>52856287
The Chaos Knights are around the same level as a regular knight as well.

Speaking of which, why are the Chaos Sorcerer careers have the exact same stat advancement as the conventional Wizard careers. Chaos Sorcerers are supposed to be physically powerful as well as magically powerful.

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>>52854071
Thanks a lot.
This really puts a focus on what I should worry about when mashing something together.

I have all of the abovementioned available, but unsure if I got tar-pit numbers.
Again, Thank you for your help.

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>>52856181
>this vs "save me magical sky fairy oh woe is me I'm not speshul!"

>>52856662
>Chaos Sorcerers are supposed to be physically powerful as well as magically powerful.
Why would you think so? In a WFRP2 context, it just means that they've been through other careers as well.

>>52856732
Orcs are the best

>>52856662

Speaking of chaos our group is heading to Norsca and i have no idea what awaits us. Anything i should know before dying a horrible death?

>>52855923
Karl's helmet in that image has kind of an open corinthian helmet design in the cheek plates. But the cheek plates on the one you posted are totally different. The only similarities are the crest and the space for the ears.

>>52856762
Or that they have certain rewards, gifts, or other boons.

>>52856781
Why are you heading to norsca? The most important thing to remember is that they are a harsh people, but the vast majority of the do not differ signifivcantly from the people of the Empire, and do not worship Chaos as such, but rather spirits and a wide variety of deities that are essentially aspects or variations of Chaos Gods. Most of them are not actively nihilistic or malicious.

Stay away from their wise-women, shamans, and priests. Those are the ones that'll have a vision, fuck you over, or make sure that shit mutate or chaos champions show up. The people revere and respect strength, not chaos for the sake of it; crack some skulls if you have to, but try to avoid killing someone that'll turn entire regions against you out of oaths of fealty or blood-bonds.

>>52856813
That's probably balanced out by the fact that using Chaos Magic causes them to suffer nasty side affects and that a mutation can just as easily weaken them as it could make them stronger.
>>52856199
Except to enter the Warrior of Chaos career, one has to have been either a Cult Magus or a Chaos Marauder. Chaos Marauders aren't that strong, being equivalent to a Squire but Cult Magus's are very strong and will have most of their advancements fulfilled upon entering the Chaos Warrior career. It doesn't make much sense, especially since the fluff describes the dark gods giving their servants a power boost once they swear themselves to chaos.

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>>52856732
I keep liking Azhag more and more. Now I feel a little sorry for him in how he feels so alone.

>>52847939

Not OP but i just want you to know you are indeed wrong. Also incredibly pedantic but even that doesn't stop the evidence slowly piling up with canon appearances of the word "squire"

Please go to /AoS/

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>>52856732
this is a better piece of writing than anything related to Archaon.

No surprise, seeing how Azhag was also a better Character and Antagonist than Archaon.

>>52856144
No, this seems only to look that he gained respect for humans and more contempt for Goblins>>52856732

Also what you tried to assign to that piece is pretty generic in Warhammer. Sharpwit had this moment for the Skaven race.

Be'lakor had this moment with himself and all of daemonkind.

Of all of them, Sharpwit's moment was best since the Rat-dude was such a good character.

You failed, sir.

>>52856663

There are a lot of different load-outs, some people go double vampire but if you're just starting out VC can be a tricky army to use.

Ghouls need less numbers, maybe 30, so if you don't have the bodies for zombies and skeletons it might be worth thinking about.

Say what you want, chaos warriors are actual beasts at fighting, even for only their full plate armors, especially at early careers.

What a glorious day it was, when my fully advanced shieldbreaker managed to hew 3 of them down with his axe while his party was getting butchered around him

Low career campaigns are the best

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>>52857033
the main difference beeing than neither Sharpwit, Azhag nor Bel'Lakor had the lore and mythology of the setting bent and broken to fit their little sobstory like Archbabby had.

>>52857054
Yeah, much like the later WH40kRP systems, numbers inflation leads to increasingly ridiculous scenarios and suddenly regular humans get surprisingly close to bloodthirsters and shit.

I honestly think that the system seems very tied down to increments/decrements of +/- 5 for no reason. One of the things I'd change if I ever do a homebrew (in addition to adding some things from the original Dark Heresy, such as a Perception Characteristics and a proper Corruption track) would be to lower it to modifiers of +3 when it comes to progression.

Ultimately gives you a lot more of an even curve, where the individual points matter more. It would also play up the importance of skill(s) over Characteristics bloat.

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>>52841860
Nah. I liked Archaon better when he was "just" the ultimate lord of Chaos. A fallen priest of Sigmar is too close to how 40k Chaos works. Fantasy Chaos is interesting because the Norscans actually have a defined culture around the Chaos gods. To them, the gods of darkness aren't evil, they're *strong*, and even becoming a hideous mutant or a chaos spawn is a sign that the Gods are watching them and are part of a living world.
Making Archaon just another fallen hero, ala the Chaos Space Marines and Darth Vader, is kinda boring to me. I'd rather that he was a product of a culture that simply sees the world very differently than everyone else does. To the Empire, he's the terrifying bring of the apocalypse, but to the Norse he's a heroic messiah.

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>>52851673
I like the armor style of the Dark Elves most. It's sleek, unique but not overly detailed.

>>52856937
> Chaos Marauders aren't that strong, being equivalent to a Squire but Cult Magus's are very strong and will have most of their advancements fulfilled upon entering the Chaos Warrior career.

That makes all sorts of sense; different people enter careers at different stages, and "stronger" careers take longer to actually complete. You say it yourself, a Cult Magus already have most of their advancements fulfilled upon entering the Chaos Warrior career. I'm not seeing the issue.

WFRP2 is generally not a game of linear progression or levelups, and nothing makes this more clear than the career system and the various ways a character can move throughout their life. A lot of careers finish later careers faster than other careers would do.

Who would you bet on In a fight between a blood knight and a high grade champion chaos warrior?

>>52857134
>bloodthirsters

Those things are TPK on wheels.

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>>52857250
they are pretty much equally matched in strength and endurance, but a Vamp got more speed and a lot of other tricks up his sleeve like throwing pocket blood

>>52857068
Yeah they are more natural and smooth compared to


>Muh everchosen of muh chaos gods

I think beastmen should have been the main chaos threat while chaos warrior warbands were always small elite forces

>>52857303
Sort of like owlbears and mimics for level 3 and lower parties.


Which is why I always throw one at them pre level 3

>>52855989

>Giant

Used by chaos, beastmen and orcs

>cannon, dragon

Cannon is used by dwarfs and empire, the dragon can be of almost any faction


You should go to 1d4chan (despite the rest of the site, most WHFB articles are on point) and look up how which armies interest you.

>>52857378
Beastmen are just lame Orcs.
Chaos Warrior were always the coolest part of Chaos.

>>52857134
>lower it to modifiers of +3 when it comes to progression.
That would be a good idea so that stats would match the tabletop, but currently, wounds and attacks would not match up.

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>>52857378
exactly, it was that way in the Felix and Gotrek Siege of Praag, where the vast majority of troops were Beastmen streaming out of the Chaos Wastes led by Chaos Champions, with rather small retinues of WoC, with Chaos Tribe Auxilliary.

>>52857431
Beastmen are the epitome of chaos.

So far gone from humanity yet still liken to it.

Chaos warriors are still relatively human.

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>>52857431
Sure Chaos Warriors are cool, but they only stay cool if they are low in number, if they become the mainstay of every Chaos Invasion, they have to be fodderized.

>>52857462
>Beastmen are the epitome of chaos.

That's daemons.
Chaos warriors are about the corruption of man and his slavery to his own emotions.
Beastmen are just dumb brutes that like to shit and fight.

>>52857519
>Beastmen are just dumb brutes that like to shit and fight.
And rape, lots of rape.

>>52857135
>To the Empire, he's the terrifying bring of the apocalypse, but to the Norse he's a heroic messiah.

And now he's just a "tragic" "hero" that fell to unconditional "evil".

GW understood what they fucking had or what made it special. Myopic fuckwits to the last man.

>>52857519
>Beastmen are just dumb brutes that like to shit and fight.
in the same sense, the vast majority pf chaos warriors are dumb bruted that just want to mutate and fight.

>>52857303
>Those things are TPK on wheels.

Due to all their special rules, yes, so alright, sure, I was exaggerating. They're obviously not meant to be fought, and are mostly intended to be narrative opponents far beyond the power of any single player.

That being said, stat-wise, players still come way too close to being stupidly powerful, way beyond what would be reasonable for a living human being, entirely without magic or supernatural tomfoolery.

And I think that's probably the WFRP2 system's weakest point. All of the WH40kRP games had the same issue(s), but it got considerably worse over time after FFG took over, because they never seem to have understood how the system was supposed to work or what it should reasonably depict.

Rogue Trader or Black Crusade are prime examples. Starting characters are still fundamentally human; there's no reason they'd be able to peel steel off from a power armour or bend crowbars without help, especially when a starting character in Dark Heresy or Only War can't.

It just gets all out of whack the higher the numbers go, and it goes all over the place. It always needed to be reigned in, but the power creep is fucking real, especially with stacking equipment and modifiers. It's just way less of an issue in WFRP2 than in the later 40k releases that built on the same system - but systemically, the issue is still there, if you know what I mean.

Especially in a system that isn't really built around everything being dividable by 5 (you can just as well start with 31 as with 35 in a Characteristic, after all), there's no reason for increments and modifiers to all be to the tune of +/- 5.

Unfortunately, "fixing" or homebrewing such things in WFRP2 would necessitate a full overhaul of the system's strongest point; the career system, and I'm not willing to go through that existential horror.

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>>52857683
>WHFBGrognards are just dumb brutes that like to shit and fight.

>>52857768
I think the big thing is in general fantasy wise you'll normally only get to career 3-4 at best before going insane or dying and given how hard it is to advance careers it kind of feels less like an average joe doing this and more like a powerful grail knight or something on that scale being badass.

The later 40K RPGs creates a issue via not knowing how the hell they are scaling and creating equipment that is wonky as hell when placed within the same system.


>They're obviously not meant to be fought, and are mostly intended to be narrative opponents far beyond the power of any single player.

Hilariously enough I have actually done all the work here to see how hard it really would be to defeat one in one on one combat. The only character I've found that can do this without homebrew is a high tier vampire lord decked out in nothing but dwarf runic weapons and armor. Literally nothing else in the game from dragons to 7 career characters can win against how absurd those things are.

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>>52858126
>Steampunk autist think this is cool

#NotMyDawi

>>52858375
this, dwarfs can have their gadgets, but steampunking them is retarded.

>>52851673
Dwarf.

It just looks so durable and comfy. Its Mithril, so it'd be lightweight too.

>>52854973
Fucker literally brooded and listened while his minions murderraped the populace.

>>52858871
So?

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>>52858821
Forgot pic.

Also the king is exoected to provide smokes, booze, and bling.

>>52858916
That's not a "mercy kill", that's Se7en.

>>52858960
But it is.
Some small suffering to end all suffering is a fair price to pay.

>>52858981
How many bodies are in your basement?

>>52858960
Considering the daily life of the average person in warhammer fantasy the main villain of Se7ven would be the good guy.

>>52858960
An analogy was already given in the thread. So you have a burning guy who is coal black already from being burned alive. You know that if you put him out he will linger for agonising hours suffering infections and blistering flaking skin. Eventually he will die but it will take a long long time.

So the only solution is not put him out and prolong his suffering. You most pour gasoline on him so that the fire can complete its work and he can earn his peace. Better for the man to suffer a few minutes of flame than spend hours in a state of agony and despair.

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>>52856732
What is that passage from? It's amazing!

>>52858931
fug I want that scheme.

colors?

>>52859326
The life of the average person in the Empire and Bretonnia is about the same as real life Europe. The only difference is Beastmen attacks and Chaos, which is like saying lighting someone on fire isthe solution to their flammability.

The only exception is Sylvania. Which Archaon has never at any point targeted.

>>52859550
Came from this page.

http://www.bugmansbrewery.com/blog/37/entry-126-a-thane-and-quarrelers/

>>52852922
Of course, the lack of sales for squats could never have had anything to do with GW not releasing anything for them for about 12 years before they removed them.

In Epic, where they had releases, they were one of the most popular factions (and this was back when Epic still sold).

>>52859917
He targeted it when he destroyed the world.

>>52859076
That's just it, you're completely wrong. The average life of the average joe is pretty chill, living their lives in the middle of fucking nowhere. Only thing they have to fear are beastmen and shit, and there's usually a wall.

>>52859996
So he fucked over everything good because he's autistic about the bad. If your reasoning is that life was shit and deserved to end then your position is that the real life world should have an heroed itself in prehistory because life was bad and you feel mankind is entitled to luxury from the start.

Good that we cleared that up.

>>52860124
If only a hero like Archaon was real and could end all suffering.

>>52860162
I like to think he's a metaphor for how the actual remaining creative types feel at GW.

>>52849626
Who ever made that art deserves to die. Such an insult to the old black & white art.

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>>52860326

It's less an issue of the style and more one of the subject matter.

Although on the hole AoS art did take a sudden nose dive in the first year. It seems to have improved as of late.

This would be where I'd post some of those awful maps if I had them but I'll save everyone the horror.

>>52860388
The art was pretty horrible in some places, but I think that was some of the last of Kirby's cost cutting.

>>52860447
Or the new guy cost cutting to salvage the spiral.

>>52857768
The only reason I don't think this is that big a deal is because there are characters that get that crazy strong in the lore.

Nevermind how Herohammer used to be a thing and I've personally seen an Empire Captain kill a dragon in the wargame, we have characters like Helborg and Swartzhelm who prove that the tabletop isn't really misrepresenting humanity in Warhammer.

I always just assumed that humanity in Warhammer was a bit more capable of being mythical heroes than realistic humanity is. Like, the humanity of Warhammer is the humanity of our own myths and legends.

That's my interpretation, at least. I can see how it's an issue if you don't like that kind of herohammer-tier stuff eventually coming to pass for very experienced characters or characters with really good kit; I admit that it's a thing, I just don't think it's as big a deal because of how I view humanity in Warhammer.

>>52849626
looks like a LoL promo pic

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Is there any fluff on what a nightmare steed actually is? Are they living horses or always undead?

>>52862584
If I remember correctly they vary depending on the being that made them. Some are just undead horses, Some are magical creations in horse shape made out of iron and things like that, Some are a bit of both.

>>52862700
It depends on the Bloodline. Lahmian models had living horses, Necrarchs had undead constructs. VCs either had skeletons or living horses. They never made a kit for the one with wings that I know of.

>>52860308

Destroying Fantasy set them free.

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>>52862890
The real creators left long ago.

All that's left is ascended fanboys. The Bendises of Games Workshop if you will.

>>52863109

Well Priestley only left in 2010.

I think 40K will suffer this the worst, in 10 years time it will still be called Warhammer 40,000 but it won't look anything like it. At least 90% of people acknowledge Fantasy and AoS are too different to really be called the same game.

>>52863109

Blanche is still there, Goodwin is still there, Jervis is still there. The Perry Brothers left on amicable terms and might have stayed if they knew that FW would take over LotR.

I also have to wonder, if a lot of these creators are so great, why haven't some of those that have stuck around hit gold again? Priestley seems deeply invested in Gates of Antares and yet no one really gives a damn about it. If you want to include Cavatore you can say the same about KoW.

Maybe the truth is that some of those people weren't as great as they seem and that they merely got lucky that when they grabbed everything and the kitchen sink and threw it together to serve as a background for a disparate range of miniatures it turned out to be something mildly entertaining and didn't blow up in their face.

>>52863137

Just give it up man, you already lost when Gathering Storm was merely a prologue and GW didn't destroy the current 40k setting both because they didn't have to in order to advance the story and because it's more popular than Fantasy ever was. Just be happy with the Total Warhammer games until Creative Assembly has wrung out every last drop and goes back to historical wargames full time or does something like Total War: Game of Thrones.

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>>52863272

Yeah I'm really looking forward to 8th and prepping the bull.

>>52863272
Jervis is debatable, the whole 'no points' debacle came from his.

The Perry's left to start their own very successful historical miniatures range, they had a divergence when GW dropped Warhammer Historical.

Priestley and Cavatore have had a great deal of success. They've both carved out their own niche from scratch, not easy to do.

Ansell runs his own war-gaming company.

So out of those four all of them now have their own companies.

>>52861358
looks like a hugely succesfull game shitting billions dollars a year ?
Is tjay a bad thing ?

>>52856732
>tfw to intelligent to be warboss

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>>52858375
>>52858551
The most offensive thing about it is that steampunk is just such a stupid aesthetic to put on dwarves. Dwarves should be very rigid and traditional because their personalities are supposed to resemble that of stone. Steam Punk is a ridiculous pop culture mashup aesthetic that does not fit dwarf culture at all.

It's basically like they were trying to copy the Dwemer aesthetic from Elder Scrolls and completely missed the point of why Dwemer technology is cool. They use stuff like steam, hydraulics, robots, etc., but it all looks like its designed to display their culture in some way or another. They don't just slap brass gears on shit for no reason and they certainly didn't have that stupid top hat and monocle thing going on.

wow that thread is a fucking desert.
Thats what the last 55 faggots playing WhFB look like ..... :x

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>>52862584
I made one of those models. It's the only genuine Finecast model I own. It's a great sculpt but failcast is such a soft material that the horse couldn't even hold its pose, and the front legs always ended up drooping down to the ground eventually. I ended up just propping it up with a piece of paper clip painted black because no matter how many times I blasted it with a hair drier and reset the pose, it always ended up going flaccid a few days later.

That was enough to convince me that if a model is only sold in failcast, get it from china. The sculpts look just as good and don't really have any more bubbles than failcast, and the resin isn't as pathetically limp. Not to mention they cost way less.

I love the model, I just wish GW had been more competent in manufacturing it. I'm sure the metal version was fine.

>>52865883
Of couse it was fine. Metal is what models are supposed to be made of. I had one of those guys on the older (4e) zombie dragon at one time.

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>>52866024
I'm thinking about ordering a zombie dragon recast. I'm a little worried about the wings, but my Vargheists turned out fine so hopefully the zombie dragon is alright?

>>52865883

He's quite a nice model but he's starting to show his age. Mainly the 2D pose of a single piece model.

I was thinking of using the steed for my vampire lord though.

>>52864151
GW isn't even worth a billion.

You could buy it and all its licenses without any haggling for a single bil.

>>52865882
Actually, most of these threads are modelers and people playing either the vidya or WFRP here to discuss lore.

The people who actually play left for T9A forums or non-GW wargames.

>>52866307
>but he's starting to show his age. Mainly the 2D pose of a single piece model.

There is nothing wrong with this. If anything, it's preferable to a "dynamically posed" newer sculpt lacking any sense of composition.

>>52866429

I think he means League of Legends.

Still a silly argument though, LoL making millions of Dollars doesn't mean anything to me since I'm not a shareholder.

>>52866462

It works on some models, you can disguise it well on some, but I think a cavalryman should have more dynamism.

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>>52865615
This guy gets it.


The reason I started playing dwarfs in the first place is their stubbornness and traditionalism.


Everyone thinks I am a massive grognard because I hate on the new dwarfs but they are just plain wrong to and normal dwarf player that is really into the flavor of their army.

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>>52866604

Step 1: Administer rohypnol.
Step 2:...

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>>52865615
In the Dwemer's case it's also making them distinct and highlighting their mindset - almost every other race in TES relies on magic to some degree, or made a large use of it, but the Dwemer were the only naysayers that said fuck you to the universe (in a sense literally) and focused only on technology.

For WFB dwarves, this is similar - their technology is advanced compared to the late medieval state of the setting they're in, but they are conservative and reluctant to change or create anything new.

Then again, AoS is obviously going for a new feel I don't quite fully understand. I'd think having it set after the destruction of an old universe would up the gritty feel, making everyone a gaggle of survivors, but everything's a lot shinier and hopeful. Old dwarf ideas wouldn't work well with that, since they aren't grimly holding on to the foundations of their crumbling empire anymore. They seem to be some sort of nomads?

>>52866677
It is really annoying going from a sedentary stubborn race to one that wanders and has no set place.

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>>52866701
I'm just assuming - maybe they have some big floating city they're constantly sending airships from or something. I literally know nothing aside from what people have been complaining about here.

To make this more WFB than just complaining about AoS, why doesn't WFB make more use of nomadic races? Most factions - Empire and Bretonnia, High Elves, Dwarves, Tomb Kings, Lizardmen - stick to general regions and have established cities. Beyond a few campaigns, they don't travel widely. Dark Elves are well established in Naggaroth, and Ogres in the Mountains of Mourn, but they travel more widely. But the tribes that serve Chaos - arguably the Norscans since they have some kingdoms, but obviously the Kurgan and Hung - live very nomadic lifestyles and don't seem to have set areas. Same idea with Beastmen, though they're usually limited by forests, and arguably Orcs and Goblins and Skaven (they have some set areas, but could be anywhere).

You'd think that a setting that wanted to leave room for every faction to fight each other whenever would want as many excuses for factions to bump into each other as possible. Could've been fun to make the undead factions more of a roaming horde that rises up and has to be beaten back for a few years, for instance, rather than just kind of stuck in Sylvania and Nekhara.

>>52866677
>Then again, AoS is obviously going for a new feel I don't quite fully understand.

That's an understatement. AoS is meant to capitalize on the ASSFAGGOTS craze with its stupid and non-immersive setting that only exists to allow random battles to happen without any need for context. The "story" is so paper thin that there's no reason for it to even exist.

I don't want to get too deep into it because I hate it when the bashing Age of Smegma ends up taking over Warhammer threads, but it was clearly some cigar chomping executive's wet dream. A game where anything can happen with no need for context, learning the rules doesn't really matter, and it looks kind of like that fancy new League o' Legends computer game that all the hip young people are into.

Tell me truthfully guys: Which edition of the fantasy RPG is best?

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>>52861303
Thing is, this isn't just for the players, either, it's a general issue throughout WFRP2 (and all of the latter systems based on it).

The vast majority of those "mythic heroes" are wielding magic weaponry, or clad in some mythic armor, or have been literally blessed by physical manifestations of the collective unconscious, or all of the above.

They haven't just trained for a few months and fucked about in the forest. The potential for heroics in terms of the players are already represented by Fate Points, which regular farmers and mooks expressly don't have, and it's what allows you to succeed where others would most likely have failed.

>>52863137
>I think 40K will suffer this the worst

I've been saying this for a long time. End Times/Age of Sigmar constituting a break from Warhammer Fantasy, establishing completely different settings in the way it did, was ultimately a blessing in disguise.

After the debacle that ensued, it was ensured that nothing like it will happen to Warhammer 40k. It's just going to inexorably slide into mediocrity. It already started with the massive nonsensical "Astra Militarum" horseshit and the huge inconsistencies that rose around that time, and it's rapidly been devolving from there.

We should count ourselves lucky if GW never touches Warhammer Fantasy again. But unfortunatey, I would be surprise if they didn't. Modern-day GW ruin everything they touch.

>>52865615
That assumes they give a shit about why the dwarfs were created and why they were flawed. They don't. For all intents and purposes, the way the dwarfs were originally created does not matter to the End Times/Age of Sigmar setting, and all else that stems from that.

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>>52866968
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2nd Edition. There's not really any contender. Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 1st Edition is in many ways a first draft that likely wouldn't conform to your idea of what Warhammer Fantasy "is" and includes a lot of things that never even really became a big thing in Warhammer Fantasy (much which is introduced specifically by 1st edition) and 3rd Edition is completely fucking skub, and in many consider it a narrative boardgame more than a proper PnP.

Hopefully any potential 4th Edition tries to capitalize on the success and strengths of 2nd Edition, takes some cues from Dark Heresy, and makes the most of the post-Storm of Chaos setting. One can dream, huh?

>>52866604
Overlords are much more traditionalist than WHFB dwarf ever were (and for a much longer time also)

>>52867062
Astra Militarum was due to GW not being able to copyright IG you sperg

>>52867299
K E K

>>52866446
I play Kings of War

>>52863272
>Jervis is still there
Is that supposed to be a good thing ?

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>>52867299
Not even baiting the hook is going in the book.

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>>52867200
Is that the one that came in the big box from FFG? My brother has that one.

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>>52867154
In Age of Sigmar everything is made up and nothing matters.

>>52867309
And yet they still call the Adeptus Astartes "Space Marines" even though it's been proven that they don't own that phrase.

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>>52867417
It's really disappointing desu. Game is fun I guess but nothing matters.
It has no meat.


No substance.

>>52867319
>>52867343

Its not bait if you read the actual fluff.
they migreted to the skies as their only hope to survive but then it was Literral millenium before they went down.
They have been in the sky for MUCH MUCH longer than whfb dwarf have been underground.

but I guess you prefer being 1d4Sheep

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>>52867544
I honestly don't even bother with AoS lore because >>52867417


Sorry I cannot get behind anything that is fucking vague as fuck.

>>52867544
This. the first dwarf holds (and dwarf were little more than monkeys on technilogical level) date from -5000.

Kharadrons have been in the sky for 3 times that

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>>52867566
And they are gay steam punk retards.


I don't care about them.

>>52866604
>stubbornness and traditionalism.

What a cancerous cunt. The Overlords are rigid and lawful as any other bearded midgets in the lore. Don't open your mouth when you are dismally ignorant. If only makes me want to curbstomp the shit of of you and I ain't even an AoSfag.

Okay fuck it. I am gonna post the Overlords pictures and lore here if you insist on talking about them.

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>>52867637
>I ain't even an AoSfag.

Pretty sure you are.

WHFB Dawi are the epitome of traditional and stubborn.

Some shit has been in use for centuries and they still don't trust it as new and nonsense because they have other older shit that works just as well.

Two clans even fought for centuries and forgot what the grudge was about because it had been so long.

If that is not stubborn I will shave my beard off and drink it in a smoothie.

>>52867677
I am 40Kfag with a passing interest in WHFB/AoS/. That's why I don't have a stick up my ass when it comes to the lore being all neutral and shiz.

The Overlords are just an evolution of the Dwarfs but at their essence they are just as greedy and stubbornly stupid as the regular dwarfs if not more.

>>52867706
>passing interest in WHFB/AoS/.
then you don't fucking know.

If I wanted this future shit I would play 40k.

>>52867721
I know. I read every 8 peaks novels out there. I know more than you do!

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>>52867734
mk

>>52867677
>Some shit has been in use for centuries
This is literraly minutes for Kharadrons.
The most stubborn dwarf would even be considered stubborn by the average kharadrons citizen

>>52867622
>not an argument
>post young beardlings

wow i literraly got BTFO there

>>52867755
Except they are entirely different because >>52867721

If I want gatling guns and power armor I can go play my DA space marines not my dwarfs.

>>52867779
WHFB had steam powered power armor. Source is the Thanqoul series and Wulfrok's novel.

Leave WHFB.

>>52867788
Wait, if they live in the sky where do they get their metal.

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>>52867788
And?

Dwarfs have a ton of steam powered shit.

Humans have a steam tank?

I don't care about that.

I care about it taking over their entire identity.


I am a dwarf player and I am extremely drunk atm.

Don't even try m8.

>>52867806
They send expedition teams to mountains to mine stuff.

They get all the stuff and then flee to the skies before Chaos or whatever can get to them.

>>52867865
Babby "i am bestest" explanations

>>52867865
Okay. I am a little confused though, >>52867566
here you (I think it's you) said they've existed longer than traditional dwarves for many thousands of years. Did they exist in traditional WHFB or did they only start existing after End Times? If end times, then being older than dwarves doesn't make sense? Sorry I've never read an AoS lore book and probs never will.

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>>52867896
It is a way to show they are better than old Dawi without actually being better because they have been around longer because they say so.


I have been with my old dwarfs for a long ass time.

These upstarts steampunk autist come out of nowhere and suddenly they have been around for fucking ever and this give them some sort of precedent.


Nuh uh faggot.

Grimnir and Grungi not power armor and gatling guns.

>>52867896
Okay here we go.

The Overlords were regular dwarfs with mountain holds and all that junk. They were the descendants of survivors from the End Times. For a time (Age of Myth which lasted a LONG TIME) they knew peace. Then everything changed when when Chaos attacked. The dwarfs/duadrin got wrecked trying to defend themselves and help their allies. Their holds were broken and looted. Their armies were devastated helping their "allies". Seeing that gods abandoned them, that the rule of kings was worthless, and that helping others for no profit was weakening them, they decided to ragequit the realms by going to the skies.

They converted their holds into flying fortresses and took to the skies above the armies of Chaos who could not reach them easily. They spent the Age of Chaos up there and they developed a new rigid secular code that governed their society. Thanks to this code and the technology they invented with Aether-Gold, while other civilization were grounded to dust by the march of Chaos, the Overlords prospered and grew rich in the Age of Chaos.

They remained at this state until Sigmar opened the gates of Azyr and began to reconquer the realms starting the Age of Sigmar. The Overlords watched this but did not help Sigmar because the code says that they would not help anyone unless they are suitable trade partners. When Sigmar started building cities and recolonizing the realms, the fleets of the Overlords swarmed the realms happy to extend their aid and trade to these new trade partners!

>>52867975
Did a 5 year old wrote this?

>>52867986
What do you have against mercantilism and profit?

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>>52867986
Yes.

It is fucking awful.

Now you know why I have been drunkposting against this garbage and pissing in bottles for 2 hours.

>>52867975
Huh, I honestly thought you were just a troll who didn't know anything and just wanted to piss of the WHFB grognards in their own thread. Turns out you're just a devoted fan of your own setting. For the record, I highly disapprove of what the End Times created, but I guess I'm glad you've found something you like.

Seeing as how this is only triggering people who really should be keeping their blood-pressure down at their age, could we maybe call this a draw and go back to our own threads?

>>52868012
Go to bed GW.
You won't get me to buy this trash.

I am going to use my old dwarf army forever in your mediocre games and find ways to power game my way to victory because the only way I can win against new shit is use Belegar and spam quarrelers with runelord rend bonuses.

>>52868030
I don't even like the Overlords. I just read their lore for the sake of knowledge because I like discussing the fluff and being knowledgeable.

I saw ignorance so I corrected it.

>>52868111
What ignorance?

That blatant steampunk trash is shitty?

Because you are wrong.

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>>52868111
Good on ya, mate.

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>>52868145
The fact you thought that the Overlords weren't as stubborn or rigid as the dwarfs and many other things.

Your personal taste is irrelevant. You know nothing of The Code

>>52868193
>artycles
who the fuck wrote this kek

>>52868193
>rigid as the dwarfs
>have gatling guns and power armor

I could see airships for dawi because they have gyrocopters and ironclad ships but power armor?

Fuck you dude. I am here for axes beer grudges and oaths.

>>52867975
Also, weren't you saying they're more stubborn than classic dwarves? Then why the fuck would they give up on defending their ancestor's holds and their allies? That's some petty human level shenanigans to rage quit alliances just because it "got too hard".

>>52868241
Because they are Umgi tier dawi.


Literally mediocre.


Makes me sick.

>>52868241
Because it only got them stomped to the dirt, They were facing extinction and everyone abandoned them. There was only one choice to survive and it was to the skies.

You are acting like as if the dwarfs of WHFB didn't abandon their holds to the Skaven and Greenskins or didn't shut themselves when the End Times came which 90% of the dwwarfs did.

>>52868207
The same guy who wrote the 8th ED dwarf army book.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/14/interview-with-a-manling-jeremy-vetock-on-kharadron-overlordsgw-homepage-post-3/

He gives a good introduction of the overlords. Go watch it.

>>52868277
I can't directly quote anything on this, but whenever Dwarves lost a hold it was because they were invaded and died to a Dawi defending it. And even after it was lost, Dwarfs swore a collective oath to never rest until that grudge was settled and the hold retaken for the Karaz Ankor. If they were only as stubborn as ye dwarvs 'o' old were then they'd have gone down with the ship, but if they were more stubborn they'd be fucking haunting the place for millennia to come. But they pack up and leave? Since when have dwarves cared about survival? Slayers literally existed to die before dishonor and a whole lotta dawi became slayers. I find it completely out of character for Dawi to decide to break alliances and willing vacate their homes, apocalypse or no, especially if they're super-duper-stubborn.

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>>52868331
Are you me?

This nigga gets it.

>>52868331
As a guy who read lore about dwarf holds falling, I can tell you that dwarfs evaced their other holds. There is an exiled king (Belegar) who fled with his people from 8 peaks. He returned later to claim his birthright. So no. Dwarfs do not go down always with the ship. They are more rational than that.

The Overlords are as steadfast and loyal as any dwarf. However, because the alliances of old broke them as people they decided that they won't help out allies unless there is profit in it. At least they gain something in return.

>>52868363
Can you stop spewing that rancid bullshit here? Pack your meme fedora metal hat and leave

>>52868363
Because his ancestor forces his son to leave with the hold book of grudges to avenge it later.

Kys AoS babby.

You have no idea how to dwarf.

>>52868375
Nope, Belegar and his people were refugees that lived in shame in other holds until they returned to the 8 peaks. Also there are numerous mentions of dwarf refugees from fallen holds.

>>52868397
I meant age of smegma crap.

>>52868363
But you've just said it yourself, no? Belegar came back. He made it his mission to reclaim 8 peaks. These Duardin have, as far as what I've seen and what you've told me, abandoned not only their past lives but their collective cultural identity as Dwarves. If they fled to the skies with the eventual mission of reclaiming their birth-soil it might make a more compelling faction, but as it stands it seems more and more like the designer just wanted steampunk dwarves and was willing to force the "square peg in the round hole" to get it, lore be damned.

Dwarves aren't suicidal, i'll give you that (generally), but the whole point of grudges are that they will be fulfilled so long as a dawi draws breath. These Overlords gave up.

>>52868390
Now the Khar Overlord have at long last returned to the Realms bringing CAPITALISM and revenge on the forces of Chaos that savaged their ancestors.

What's the problem?

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>>52868412
THERE IS NO FUCKING RECORD OF THE GRUDGE!!!

THAT IS MY PROBLEM!

AND FUCK STEAMPUNK!

>>52868406
see

>>52868412

The Khar book is all about their glorious return to the Mortal Realms. Massive warfleets of the Overlords are laying waste to the forces of Chaos and destruction and helping in the effort of reclaiming the realms. For vengeance but more importantly PROFIT!

Imagine the technologically stunted savages of Chaos looking at the skies only to see thousands of air ships ready to bomb them to hell and back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YOYlgvI1uE

Glorious.