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That showed him.
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>>52814646
What? That the GM's a cunt that they shouldn't play with?
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>>52814678
You just don't like good GMing.
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>>52814693
And high concept storylines.
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>>52814646
ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH!
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>>52814702
>yassss
Please be an edit
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>>52814646
How pathetic
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>>52814646
Why does he have an angry expression and inhuman facial features? It's like the artist drew a stick figure goblin to point at while picking on his brother and saying "Heh, that's you."

I mean, is there a reason they invited the straw goblin to the game?

Why does she have the same expression in each panel? Was she just expecting anger goblin to say something mean while she was expositing?
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Let's just go back a bit.
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I played this campaign. . .twice.

This is why I avoid female DMs, just sayin'
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stop already
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And now you know the rest of the story.
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>>52814858
BTW, this is how I see millennials.
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>>52814646
You're trying to make fun of PVP

This betrays the fact you you, in fact, still read or remember PVP

No, John, you are the faggots.
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>>52814916
The kid that just wants to have fun and doesn't understand rules, or the young dad who spergs out about everything and roped his group into having an atrocious GM just because he couldn't stand paying attention to worldbuilding and storyline?

Because both could be used as a stand-in for millennials, but I'm interested in which absurd stereotype you're mentally filtering an entire generation though.
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>>52814916
Millenials are 35 years old this year
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This is anti humor.
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This is awful. Who thought it was a good idea?
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>>52814693
Why would an Amazon care if a guy is gay or not? Doesn't affect whether he makes a good slave.
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>>52815006
Probably both at the same time. Whiny brats when not in a position of authority and limp-wristed pansies when in one
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>>52815061
They're probably gonna get sperm jacked
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This might be the worst comic I've ever read. I already hate every single character intensely.
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>>52814646
I just noticed that she never opens her mouth.
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>>52815098
>>52814885
Like here, shouldn't her expression mirror the amazon's? Is she supposed to be mute or something, and the signing is just translated for ease of understanding?
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>>52814851
Honestly pretty spot on.
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>>52815038
What? That's Gen Y or something, dude. Millennials are the folks who were KIDS when the millennium happened, like 12 or younger. They're late twenties at most.

Source: Fucking Millennial. 26 years old and probably on the furthest end of the curve. Get ready, fartbags, the Teeners are coming.

......I've seen them.......god help us all
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>when college feminists DM
I'll stick to my fat 45 year old dude with dice tattoos and who wears a chainmail coif
Even if he smells faintly of old Mac and cheese
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I remember liking this comic. I remember liking the redhead chick. I refuse to go back and reread it all just to hate it.
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>>52815130
You are objectively wrong.

I am 18 and a gen Z-er. Hopefully we will be less of complete failures in a decade than the current 20-30 year old utterly unaccomplished Millenial trash of today.
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>>52815149

Do we get to see some tits or should I just back out while I'm ahead?
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>>52815158
Not by posting on imageboards at this hour you won't
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>>52815130
>>52815158
Bitching about <generation I don't like> doesn't tend to accomplish anything. Trying to do things about what you can change does.
t. 21 year old.
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>>52815130
No, the oldest milennials are in their 30s now, it basically covers anyone born from around 1985-2000
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>>52815158
We said the same thing, you poor fucks.....we said the same god damn thing.

Help us when we retire, we're not gonna be able to hear a fucking thing after years of earbuds and Ipods with horrible sound settings.

SPEAK UP, LITTLE BILLY! I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY MODEST MOUSE BURNED CD! SEE, IT WAS THIS PLASTIC DISC WE USED TO STORE TINY AMOUNTS OF DATA ON......
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>>52815149
It used to be funny, in like 1999 when it was making Ultima Online and EverQuest jokes.
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>>52815158
In a decade, most of the boomers will have died off, so you won't have an entire generation of parasitic and entitled geriatrics to blame your failings on like we do.

So you won't have any slack when it comes to being failures or not.
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>>52815130
Gen Y are milliennials. Milliennials is just a nickname.
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>>52815158
>>I am 18 and therefore should shut the fuck up


Your opinion doesn't matter for another 6 more years at least bud.
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>>52815213
This. I'm like 23 and have horrible tinnitus. Kinda banking on getting robot ears at this point.
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>>52814646
It really bothers me that her entire head is the exact same through each panel.
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>>52815158
What are we going to call the generation after gen Z?

Does it just loop back around to A or do we switch over to the greek alphabet and suck up that we're going to be calling the next batch of babies the AlphaGen?
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>>52815207
I go by when your teen years were, honestly, since that's what youth culture that seems to define generations these days goes by.

Teen in the 80s? Gen X and MTV!

Teen in the 90s? Gen Y and Beavis and Butthead/ Early-ass Southpark

Teen in the 00s? Fucking shitbag Millennial trash, get a job and stop asking for a handout and seriously get a job holy fuck social security needs it get a job for the love of fucking god pls also get off your phone.

Teen in the 10s? Listen to Uncle Millennial and his tale about "Facebook and the myth of privacy settings online".......cause it took Uncle a few times to realize that one......
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>>52815327
I dunno man, pundits make those up on demand.
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>>52815324
That's what bothers me whenever most artists draw exaggerated lips on females. It's like they lose all expressiveness because they don't want to do things that they'd willingly do with male faces, that are just straight lines.

Or maybe other artists do it better and they're just meh because they're shoving out comics every other day or something.
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>>52814874
>>52814693
>>52814702

Glases guy is a cuck.
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>>52814646

I don't know if I'm more appalled that this mediocre comic is still chugging along or that I can see Brent's eyes.
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>>52814693
>does an owlbear crap in the woods?
I don't understand


why can the gay man go against the law and wear that little clothing he has?
what GM would start a sidequest by making the players fall into an ambush with no sort of gameplay scenario in said ambush?
>obi wan jadeobi
fuck it, I'm out
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>>52815158
Being 18 means you were born before 2000, i.e. 1998-1999. You planning for college or already in it?
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>>52815111
>mute DM

I'd play that game for the novelty, hell, I'd even put up with this third wave feminism wank for the novelty of a completely silent adult imagination party.
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So if I'm 21, in college and on the way to get a master degree and maybe a PhD, have known ye-old internet and most 90's cartoon because I grew up in bumfuck nowhere in France, what does that make me ? I don't understand all this generation shit
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>>52814646
I could have lived a long and fulfilling life without knowing this visua AIDS didn't exist.
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>>52814874

Since when do they have a kid? I though he hallucinated her at some point?

Man, old PvP was so funny, back when it did vidya stuff.
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>>52815328
You're talking city trash and middle class suburbanites.

Country people take a while to shift.
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>>52814646
It reminds me of jabcomics a bit. Now I wish it was porn.
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>>52815569
Shit, son, you get TV and internet like the rest of us. Get on it!
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>>52815038
Holy shit we're all of us fucking doomed.
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>>52815590
Heh, hope you live near an internet provider, cause out west the internet is shit.

Then again, how often does anyone visit Kansas or Wyoming. Hope they got good internet in Montana, beautiful place.

Anyhow, nah, I'm part of the upper middle class suburbs kid who has the great luck of being in the general fifty mile radius of my internet provider.

The fast as fuck internet is mostly for telecom meetings that occur around 2-3 times a day and downloading large files. Assuming my parents or I aren't driving to, at, and coming back from work/college of course.
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>>52815328
>stop asking for a handout and seriously get a job holy fuck social security

this is good advice though
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>>52815693
Well don't be the fucks that live in the wastelands, that's not society's fault. Anyway, even basic bitch broadband is enough to use youtube and social media, which is the main requirement for Youth Culture at the moment and for the past 10+ years.

Source: 5mbp/s internet. Fucking 1080x60fps videos are like going back to the old days of AOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1UY7eDRXrs
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>>52815750
It was certainly good advice before the boomers took all of those jobs and then irrevocably fucked the market with their selfish behavior
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>>52815750
I did.

I do.

They won't stop saying it's not a good enough job,

It's the same fucking job they had at my age and I'm better at it than they were by their own admission. It's not even motivation to do better, they're just calling me a failure and then trying to take my hours.
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>>52815780
>AOL
>dial up internet

Fuck that shit. Might as well have a typewriter, before they got phased out rather quickly. Thank god I had to only deal with it as a kid.

Hey, maybe in the future, 80 mbps internet will look slow in comparison to what they might have.
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>>52815997
That shit and shitty VHS tapes are the cultural PTSD of our generation. It tells me how much of an adult I am now that I can't even imagine what mild annoyance I deal with today with the hellspawn of kids at this time.

NO DAD, I DIDN'T PICK UP THE PHONE AND KNOCK YOU OFFLINE! DON'T GET THE BELT, DAD!
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>>52814646
Holy shit, is this comic still going?
I stopped reading it when the kids aged up to teenagers.

Not because I objected or anything, it was just around that point that I realized I was only reading it out of habit.

Is the blue troll still in it?
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>>52816047
Yes.

It sucks.
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Seems pretty accurate. I know if you filmed our sessions, a lot of the conversations were mixes of people who knew each other talking in flippant shorthand and making outrageous remarks to their friends, and trying to test the boundaries of humor/comfort/dropping spaghetti with the friends of friends or folks they are less familiar with. The DM may very well threaten level loss, rocks falling, etc. rather than just giving a little groan. Of course it's not permanent, this is the comedy side session.

I'm pretty sure if I was doing a side session I'd want to keep it light hearted and humorous, rules light. Makes sense she'd try and make it clear they'd need to solve this without their usual suite of tools and spells. Singling out one party member to not be screwed is a classic bit, and 'girls trust the gay guy' is funny no matter how PC you are. 7/10 average group bantz, will we how it develops
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>Is one of these webcomics you think is ironically bad on purpose but it isn't
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>>52816076
It's hard for humor to come across in a comic when the artist can't draw more than one expression on a character.
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>>52816100
Even B^Uckley managed to somewhat handle his horrible ailment, maybe there's hope still for this poor sod.
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>>52814851
That's me.
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Why is this comic mocking female dms?
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>>52816024
Shit, VHS tapes and floppy disks. Watching cheap pornos and playing Doom, what not to love? Hell, I even still got some of my dad's old laserdiscs. How many people even remember those things existing? Shit do you even see CDs around anymore?

Crap, everything is gonna be on some big ol' mainframe or on a tiny ass flash drive that you can fit in you wallet in twenty-thirty years given the tech advancement rates.

Talking about hellspawn that is the "youth", man, you got love how they're reflective of the nut jobs of the old days. Of course unlike them, they're too pussy and will just cosplay it.

Seriously, good portion of them find socialism and communism to be great. Because history hasn't said otherwise or anything.

Songs like these will keep on reflecting on who these people are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg5ZcxBbYJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9wo5uqHAHc
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>>52815291
>I'm like 23 and have horrible tinnitus.
Eat less salt. Odds of you having music-induced tinnitus at this age are minimal, but a high-sodium diet will give you tinnitus as well.
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>>52815130
>>52815328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5x06azYpjM

My musical taste is punk and ska of the 90s, vidya games from 1997-2009, tabletop from 1985-95, and literature from 1920-70. I love you all equally.
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>>52815750
I live in a city of 70.000 people. We have almost 17.000 unemployed.

But sure, I'll just jog on down to the job store and get myself a job.
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>>52816198
glad to see that you still kept your positive attitude
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>>52815853
This.

No job is ever good enough for these cunt baby boomers. Unless I'm completely fucking miserable and regularly have thoughts of suicide, it's not a real job.

>get a job at a warehouse
It's fucking miserable, think about wrapping my car around a telephone poll to avoid going in. Every day think, "this is the day, I could do it right in front of that urgent care on my way to work"
>I hope this is your forever job, i hope you don't have to apply for work ever again!

>get job in call center
Great benifits, good pay, fulfilling work (asking for donations for charities), good people, I enjoy it, even get the chance to work from home.
>call centers have a high turn over rate, I don't think you can do it. You should never have left the warehouse job!

At this point I write off 99% of things baby boomers say. I firmly believe their "wealth of experience" is just an overwhelming need to see their children and generations behind them be as unhappy and unfulfilled as they are.
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>>52815130
Gen Y are the Millennials dude. Gen Z is iGen and coves those born after 2000.

If you were born after Return of the Jedi but before X-men, you're a Millennial.
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>>52816227
I don't mind people saying I've got a shit job, it's the
>"Here, let me basically apply you for 4 jobs you've got no experience in and that are in a completely different field and hold you responsible for not immediately following up on"
that piss me off.

I couldn't ASK for that kind of help getting a job starting out, but once I've got one I'm OK at and have a good routine doing you're gonna give me shit over this one?

Worst part is I know I'll do the same thing to younger folk, but I'm desperately holding onto hope I'll have enough youth left in me to joke about it when I do so they don't get too pissed. I'm so pre-emptively sorry.
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If she were a he that would be magic realmy as fuck, but she has a pass because she's a woman I guess?
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>>52815853
>>52816198

>I heard there were four jobs at McDonalds so none of you have an excuse to not be working harder and paying a mortgage

No joke I was visiting home the other day and mother and I were talking about the economic situation of our small town. I forgot how we got on the subject, but she said something like "if you father had to stop working then I'd go out and have myself a good job in less than a day." I remarked that she makes more than 30 thousand a year, working only part time, she wouldn't need to find a new job just downsize. She tried to tell me that you can't live on 30k a year... I told her that I don't know of anyone at all from my graduating class (who lives where we do) that makes more than 30k a year. It was the first time in a long time that I've seen her legitimately dumbstruck. They all pay 1-2k per month on rent for a slum tier apartment and work hard at a shitty job making minimum wage and get nowhere in life because that's the best there is right now in middle America.

I'm moving out of town next year to try and make in in the film production industry, I don't wanna get stuck here as a wage slave like everybody else. Spinning wheels in the dirt. If that fails then I'm turning to crime or something, I dunno. Stock fraud might be fun.
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>>52815328
>Have two degrees (in my country would be like your civil engineering and structural engeneering)
>Can't fucking find a job due crisis
>Now that the crisis is more or less gone can't fucking find a job because "no experience in my field"
>Lots of fucking old as fuck men in my line of work who refuse to leave their work
>Have to travel abroad to work
>Always temporary jobs and in different countries
Fuck my life and fuck people who say "find a job"
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>>52816345
If he hadn't tried to justify the fucking joke, she probably would have let it slide.
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>>52816416
Nah, She'd probably do it anyway. Looks like a cunt
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I really do believe that a LOT of the baby boomer generation doesn't realize that the current despair gripping Millenials is because the Millenials realize how fucked the world is right now, and even if they want to do things to fix it, they can't, because the Baby Boomers in charge of things (both in government and business) want their guaranteed golden parachute for the last 10-20 years of their life of gross excess and give 0 fucks about those who get screwed over in the process.

Seriously, does anyone really need to live in a multi-million dollar mansion, or drive multi-million dollar luxury cars, or eat imported foods from around the world every day, cooked to 5-star restaurant perfection by private chefs?

I understand people wanting to enjoy things and relax after a stressful day of work, but there's a difference between, "oh, I'm gonna unwind with a couple bottles of beer, or a glass or two of wine," and, "I'm gonna unwind by buying a 10 million dollar boat and go sailing once on it before putting it in my private dock of other multi-million dollar boats."
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>>52814646
I have to agree with the dude. She played herself on that one
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>>52816312
Holy fuck, this.

I appreciate the help but I have a specific skill background. Security, customer service, and banking. Stop applying me for jobs that aren't even close to my background! No, automotive glass replacement is nothing like banking, and I have no understanding of how it works. No, I can't apply for that brain surgeon position because I "learn quickly". I didn't even ask for help nigga, I even spent 3 years not giving you my email to avoid this exact problem.
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>>52816525
>But this job has great benefits!

But I don't want to be a prison guard at 5'6", 120lbs........
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>>52815750
I've work 60+ hour since getting out of high school, and worked 40+ while in high school.

I attempted to go to university (i live in ontario canada BTW) when i was 20, and i'd have had to work 35 hour to afford rent and school, even with government assistance.

I got honors in highschool, i was aceing university, but had to drop out because i can afford it.

I've worked hard all my life, at 'good' jobs.

I am still poor. Like have to live paycheck to paycheck one these is going to be late for sure poor.

It's not about getting a job, it's about making all jobs equitable, and removing pride from work that requires training (oh, i SHOULD get paid more than the burger flipper...). Or at least raising the floor to minimal livability.

The real fix would be the elimination of 'jobs'. automate everything you can, give a basic livable income from the government, and pay the people who willing to work on the stuff that robots can't do more to do what they do.

Boomer hate this idea because they are legitimately retarded. Gen X is waffley about the idea because they got beaten into submission by the boomers. Millennials are going to set shit up for the ones that come after to have a golden age the likes of which the world hasn't seen.

If we don't go down in nuclear fire that is.

Still wanna say 'getting a good job' is good advice?

Lets talk about how the majority of jobs arn't 'good' and the jobs that are 'good' are given to people who don't deserve the income. Lets talk about the consent shaming for being a bartender, burger bouncer, coffee jockey Lets talk about consistently under paying the service industry in the name of economics. lets talk about the devaluing of jobs that were once livable (working as a burger boy made you tuition in a few months, now i need a second job in order to survive). Lets talk about soaring (even in canada) post secondary education costs, all attributive to greed btw. Rising housing costs? Greed. Let's talk about greed.
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>>52816559
It's not about why you want anon, it's about making sure you have a nice high paying job to be putting a ton of money into a broken social security system that we will never get to use, so they will still have those benifits when they are able to collect.
Your happiness, your wants and desires, they do not matter. As long as the baby boomers are taken care of, this is all that matters.

All hail the baby boomers, destroyers of the house and job markets. Fear and respect their demands, lest you anger them and cause them to destroy another market.
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>>52816560
Oh, can we discuss how the cost of living goes up, causing minimum wage to go up a tiny bit, which causes the cost of living to rise?

Seriously, I wanna hear you rant anon. Please give me a way I can hear more of your words.
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>>52816592
To be fair, they're kinda trying to help us have the same fallbacks their parents forced them to pay for cause BANKING IS HARD....

Not gonna work cause their parents were able to create a show called "Eight Is Enough" but not fucking realize it......but the thought is there.
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>>52816560
>give a basic livable income from the government

Fuck off parasite

You deserve nothing
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>>52815061
>>52815092
So they're homophobes that think gay sperm is bad sperm?
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>>52814646
>YOU ENGAGED IN WRONGTHINK AND MUST BE PUNISHED

Author is a moron and the female character is a bad GM if she didn't instantly respond with
>Yes, although it looks like you don't fit the bill
or something along those lines. How can you even pretend to be a halfway decent storyteller if you can't think on your feet? Honestly, just about everyone I enjoy spending my time with, male or female, would've laughed at that, maybe thrown a few jabs at the husband if within the same dynamic.
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>>52814646
Someone wrote this.
Someone drew this.
Someone thought this was funny.
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>>52816667
Maybe it's like...

>you are sexually attracted to us!
>therefore you are our slaves!
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You manlet neckbeard virgins are just jealous at his superior intellect, comedy, and wit.
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>>52816699
How do they know this? Do the male characters have raging hardons?

Is this an ERP campaign? I'm so confused.
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>>52814916
So you're retarded on top of being a hopeless faggot. I wish you the best.
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>>52816710
They have extremely advanced/sophisticated gaydar, from being lesbians who only have sex with males for the purpose of procreation.

They did spot the gay right away.
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>>52816664
This has actually proven to work well in other countries. Mind you, these are countries that don't have the same problems we are faced with. Education costs, health care, religion in politics. There are a chain of things needed to make that work, and we can't have a basic livable income for everyone until we scrape our bottom feeders off the ground and educate them instead of throwing them in jail for doing the only thing they know how. There are steps that need to be taken first, but this isn't a bad idea.

>>52816630
No dude, I'm pretty sure they are just scared that they won't get social security and their kids won't have enough money to put them in nice homes when their old. My mother still instists that me, her poorest child, her "fuck up and failure" is gonna be the one to take her in and let her live with me when she can't support herself. She entirely believes that I'm gonna take good care of her. I'm not even gonna put her In a home. She's on her own. She has two children who make more than $60000 a year and she wants to lean on me? The kid who asked for a little help with school, and got laughed at? The one who she blatantly told, "no, we spent your college fund on your sister because we believe in her."

Wooh
Off on a tangent. The point here is this: they aren't helping us, they are helping themselves, they are only trying to secure their future through their children.
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>>52816622
Oh about the absolute bullshit deal we as millennials got?

We got fucking idiots who don't understand inflation and long term economics running the various states in the world going 'well shit , we fucked up, but hey i get a goddamn porche for my birthday, again, so fuck em' and so many people think they are goddamn visionary's. The Americans voted in a racist sexist jingoist retard who can't look past his own missing dick, one i might point out is a FAILURE as a business man and was only floating because of the FAILURE that is the american economic system, based on his economic prowess. Which is non existent, they got shilled, and it's the boomers to blame.

It's literally a white guy standing on a giant pile of shit labeled 'POWER' and doling out little fucking scraps to the shits who eat his shit with a grin. Expecting us to be 'happy' with he bullshit we have been fed.

Do you know what a fucking equivalent (in canada, sadly i don't know american numbers but it's actually close) to a goddamn livable wage is in ontario, to be able to afford the same shit that Boomers got when they fucked everything up?

~$25/HR, right now, Toronto has a 11.15 i think, i make 14 and 12 at my two jobs. which i work a collective 60+ hours a week.

I spend 60% on rent for what amounts to a closet, and my rent has gone up more times in the past year than my wages in 3. and those delicious trickle down economics? they taste like lies and ceo
s pocketing bonues left and right.

The boss of one of the companies i work for gave him and his son 50000 as a bonus, some employees got 50. everyone else got nothing.

The guy gave was amounts to 2 and a bit what i make in a YEAR as his bonus. he told me he ca't give me a raise.

Fuck the people who think a CEO makes a company works. Fuck them who think 'creating jobs' is giving companies more freedom to ABSOLUTELY FUCK the working class.

>>52816664
AND THEN THERE'S THIS ASSHOLE.
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>>52816401
Take advantage of currency exchange and the ability to travel. I had a job offer a few months ago that I would have jumped at, $23k raise, get to go live in Alaska for a year, all kinds of shit, but I can't because I have obligations here. Don't let shit fetter you down dude. You have a great grasp of English, go teach in Japan while you look for a breakthrough to your industry. They have folks dying off all the time, and foreigners aren't held to the same standards. It's even better if you get hired at an International company, and they let you move around wherever.
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>>52816744
Ok this guy's getting too pissed but point is IT ALWAYS

FUCKING

SUCKS

Until you're like 40-50 and have slowly built something up......your kids naively assume. Don't pretend it's ever not from EITHER perspective.

Now get a job, little Jimmy......Poppy's back has got about 5 years left in it and his lungs maybe 3. The banks will boil your children in sulfuric acid to get those payments, so use them WISELY. Also get off your phone, it confuses and angers me.
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>>52816744
Go nosedive from a chopper, Commie.
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>>52816782
i HAVE A JOB.

TWO.

AND IT WILL GET BETTER BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY GOTTEN BETTER (OBJECTIVLY) AS A THING. IT'S JUST HARDER, AND BETTER =/= EASIER.

BUT WE SHOULD BE MAKING IT EASIER TOO, WE JUST SUCK ON THE TEET OF THAT FUCK OFF USELESS GOLDEN COW.

Protip; this is my special interest, and i am nettled.

>>52816664
You are the reason for crime buckaroo.

Treating people like animals and demons makes them into animals and demons. Love your neighbor unconditionally, and you'll find they'll do the same, and support you when you are down.

and if you are one of those always up, it's gonna suck to be you eventually.
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>>52816744
don't worry, one day you'll grow up
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>>52816812
Don't worry, one day you'll die.
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>>52816744
>The Americans voted in a racist sexist jingoist retard who can't look past his own missing dick, one i might point out is a FAILURE as a business man and was only floating because of the FAILURE that is the american economic system, based on his economic prowess. Which is non existent, they got shilled, and it's the boomers to blame

people voted him in because they want whiners and lazy scum fucking dealt with

you lost, now fucking deal with it, sort your fucking life out and stop expecting handouts you mewling little workshy shit.
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>>52816808
No, the reason for crime is communities exceeding the dunbar number.
Crime will never be reasonable, nor will affordability as living as long as retards like you keep living in cities and trying to force the issue as hard as you can.
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>>52816826
Couldn't have put it better, anon.
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>>52816821
I find it really funny it says "left leaning".

Like, not even communist.
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>>52816808
>You are the reason for crime buckaroo.

no I'm fairly sure the reason for crime is selfish little fucks who want what they don't have deciding they deserve it

thankfully nowadays we're dealing with that shit
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>>52816808
That's the point. Chill the fuck out or no one will listen to the raving maniac. No one has ever convinced someone to help them by calling them assholes, regardless of how much that person should probably help.

Ever generation's had it rough, maybe some more than others but the issue is dealing with it and trying to set up yourself as best as you can WHILE you can.....cause that younger generation's not gonna do anything! LAZY FUCKS! I HEARD THEY HAVE SEX IN THE USB PORT NOW, THE FREAKS!
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>>52816808
People with shitty moral compases are the reason for crime. Those unimaginitive enough to find a way out of their current situation, those lacking resolve to bust ass out of it, or those that just gave up on ever making it better.

You're the reason racism exists; you expect less because some people are just born inferior right? or the white man dealt them a bad hand, some mystical cosmic force decided to buttfuck them for eternity, but of course! You can save them! All you have to do is be nice to your neighbor, give people everything they could ever need and there won't be a world of rape, murder, torture, war, theft, and all the other bullshit.

You're a fucking moron.
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>>52816782
Yeah, nah, I call bullshit. The baby boomer are only out for themselves. Their every action is motivated for their own self interest. Sure there are exceptions to the rule but those exceptions don't disprove this rule. I dont believe its about wanting better for us, or wanting more for us, i believe it's about wanting more for themselves when they decide to retire. If they retire. Many of them are so bad with money that they will never be able to.
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>>52816834
>implying anything left of center-right isn't communism
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>>52816831
>dunbar number
You don't have to have a social relationship with someone to not get robbed by them.

If anything, you are supporting >>52816808's argument, since you are both essentially saying "crime happens because you don't/can't care about others".
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>it's another europhile north american that thinks europe is a paradise and doesn't realize everyone in my "socialist paradise" country they like to use in infographics was neck deep in debt and our housing crisis makes 2007 look like a minor scrape
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>>52816855
It is physically impossible to feel genuine empathy for people outside of the dunbar number,
Low empathy and low social trust without a strong shame system leads to people abusing communal systems

That said, nothing more ridiculous than people on lower class budgets trying to make ends meet in a city. Boggles my mind every fucking time. Stop going to cities, retard. It is literally not for you. There is limited space, which means expensive housing. You will never change this dynamic. Live in a small town or smaller city you can actually afford.
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>>52816826
Oh sweet fucking Lord reading that gave me a happy smile. I'm not alone and that makes me feel so much better.
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>>52816834
To the 50+ anything left of Raegan is a communist.
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>>52814754
All women in PVP are killjoy mother stand-ins that have a constant disapproving expression.
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>>52816725
Wait, so is this the wife drip-feeding the idea that she wants to cuck glassesdad with ladies? Since apparently gay people must play gay characters in her games?
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>>52815207
>1985-
Fuck you buddy, I lived in communism and played a NES before hipsters liked it. You will not group me with them.
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>>52816855
The best part about my argument, is the argue agianst themselves. it's beautful.

I get made be cause, fuck it, i'm done being quiet and taking shit. The problem are the people perpetuating the system, not the people trying to pull the shit out of the muk.

Get over yourselves;
>>52816847
>>52816831
>>52816826
and released the world is bigger than you, your dick, and whatever you happen to fuck.

I'm not asking for handouts, i'm asking to move past treating everything with scarcity, because i'm sick and tired of working hard, being disposable, and getting fucked because i wasn't born rich.

I'm sick and tired of being told i'm a parasite because i want GMI. I'm getting tired of being told that those who dont 'work' are lazy (statistically, the ones who work the LEAST are the ones making the most, so who's the parasite?).

I don't wanna fucking work, i want to make music and art and write, i want to fucking live a life that isn't slavery.

I'm not lazy, i'm pissed off.
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>>52816871
>Low empathy and low social trust without a strong shame system leads to people abusing communal systems

Well, that kinda assumes that each "tribe" are of Dunbar's number people where everyone knows each other, instead of larger groups where the smaller groups are "chained" by people who have friends from both group A and B and C and etc.

>That said, nothing more ridiculous than people on lower class budgets trying to make ends meet in a city.

But there's where the work is, 90% of the time. Also there's where you can break out of your "lower class budget". I mean, I understand your reasoning, but it leads to even more societal stagnation and separation of classes.
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>>52816871
There's also the issue of contemporary atomization, not to mention those who never really were socialized in youth. Try to be a functional member of society when no one ever has been one around you, know what I'm saying?
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>>52816908
Shut up you lazy parasite. You didn't even bother reading what they wrote, none of that shit was about you, but of course you made it all about you ya primadonna Millennial fuck.
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>>52816908
>I don't wanna fucking work, i want to make music and art and write, i want to fucking live a life that isn't slavery.

Man, did I just go back to the 90's?

Ok, dude, here's what you do. Quit. Leave your house, buy a guitar and a notepad, move under a highway overpass and start making tunes. No 9 to 5, no obligations, no slavery, you're as free as you can be and can dedicate yourself to your art.
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>>52816917
>But there's where the work is, 90% of the time. Also there's where you can break out of your "lower class budget". I mean, I understand your reasoning, but it leads to even more societal stagnation and separation of classes.
Mate, it's 2017. You don't need to be near anything to actually work. I work almost entirely from home running online based businesses and just poking around with my basic stock portfolio.
Not to mention, the strongest economies and lowest unemployment rates are all around small and mid sized cities in most western countries right now with strong internet infrastructure. Many large cities are either facing stagnation or have grow too expensive to be worth it.

>There's also the issue of contemporary atomization, not to mention those who never really were socialized in youth. Try to be a functional member of society when no one ever has been one around you, know what I'm saying?
My family were basically all addicts and retards. I really hate this excuse because it removes agency from people. I'm not the sum of the people around me.
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>>52816939
Man, the continued use of the word YOU in the sentences complete dismantles that. I didn't respond directly because it's racist/useless garbage. A person has value, and it's lost value should be 'gets to live a life' anything less than tha makes you a degenerate. and that every fucking person.


>>52816943
And i don't get to eat, or survive in a society that still values useless behavior and mindsets over feeding people.

I don't get to eat in your scenario, i get to starve, i don't get to live in your senario, i get to die, without my basic needs met.

We should really be at a point where everyone gets the basic needs right? i mean, being shitty to another human being can't be that good of a feeling that you feel the need to systematically destroy support systems for an extra buck.

I mean you must think it's a good idea to consistently rally against shit that's in your best interests.

Or to shut down conversation that exposes the mistakes of the past so WE CAN FIX THEM.

Instead we get power mongers hoping that daddy can pay off their life before they use up he built. praying, every night, that they bogyman they hide behind doesn't come and snatch it away, like it's some precious piece of goddamn marzipan.
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>>52816622
I wonder, how has the education provided by Yale and the number of people applying to go there changed over the years? Would be interesting to see if the cost of running the place as well as increased interest in going there has had any effects on the tuition cost.
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>>52816974
>Mate, it's 2017. You don't need to be near anything to actually work. I work almost entirely from home running online based businesses and just poking around with my basic stock portfolio.

Point taken, but that sort of work isn't available for everyone.

>I'm not the sum of the people around me.

I'm happy that you were able to grow past all the shit you were surrounded with, but not everyone has the ability, and even out of those who do, many live in homes where they can't even afford (or aren't allowed) a computer.
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>>52816734
Aand they tend to have population ind the low double digits at most.
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>>52816982
>And i don't get to eat

Life choices. Either you starve or your work. Maybe find ways to cut on your expenses. Find a cheaper apartment that doesn't suck up all your monies. Move to a new place. A new town. I know plenty of people who've bought houses outside of cities where they pay very little for them compares to the price of housing in cities.
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>>52816982
You can work like 10 hours a week and have more than enough to live comfortably on. UNLESS you want all the luxuries of modern society, complete with an education, an apartment just for you, luxury food, internet, games, a mobile phone ,and so on, in which case, yeah, you need to work for them. But that's not society's fault... at all.
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>>52816983
I have no doubt that it has. But that much? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. No way.
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>>52816982
>And i don't get to eat, or survive in a society that still values useless behavior and mindsets over feeding people.
It's objectively not useless behavior and mindsets if it's generating capital. If your behaviors generated value, they would be used as they would be the successful method

>I don't get to eat in your scenario, i get to starve, i don't get to live in your senario, i get to die, without my basic needs met.
Artists and musicians throughout history have scraped and crawled through worst situations and come out. It will always be an industry where only a few can make it, your own lack of self esteem shows you know you can't make it.
You have things like band camp, soundcloud and literally hundreds of thousands of local shows in every metropolitan area. It's far easier to live off your music these days than ever before, but you're still blaming others for your lack of initiative.

>We should really be at a point where everyone gets the basic needs right? i mean, being shitty to another human being can't be that good of a feeling that you feel the need to systematically destroy support systems for an extra buck.
More and more people get their basic needs met by the sheer fact of how quickly humanity is advancing our technology.

>I mean you must think it's a good idea to consistently rally against shit that's in your best interests.
How is getting taxed up to my eyeballs a good idea? How is crushing more housing systems under the weight of governmental rent controls subsidies good for me? What do I have to gain for putting more strain on me and my children with more pyramid scheme pipe dream programs that will all end up like social security?

>Or to shut down conversation that exposes the mistakes of the past so WE CAN FIX THEM.
You people seem very content with ignoring the past when it doesn't fit your ideals.
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>>52817037
>>52817026
i work 60 hours a week and can barely afford rent, can't escape my city, and have generally a shitty life.

I have a bed, a tv, an old ps1 and my phone, which i pay as i go and use for wifi. i share my apartment with 3 other people (of the two beds between us i own 1).

I disagree (it's also societies fault for shaming those that want to live like that, but hey that's a different conversation.)
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>>52816664
Everything you have is an accident of happenstance and can be taken from you as easily as you got it.

Sleep well.
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>>52816982
Just do shitty porn doodles and write songs about Fetishes, that's a guaranteed 6k/month on Patreon no matter how much talent you have.
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>>52816998
>Point taken, but that sort of work isn't available for everyone.
I wouldn't even say that. I have friends with low education levels that simply send orders to chinese manufactors and sell their nonsense on distributor sites. They all make pretty decent livings without having formal educations. There is so much potential that people ignore. Not only in the internet, but in the markets. I don't know how someone can call themselves an adult with at least a very basic portfolio.

>I'm happy that you were able to grow past all the shit you were surrounded with, but not everyone has the ability, and even out of those who do, many live in homes where they can't even afford (or aren't allowed) a computer.
Man, I used school computers and the public library's computer as a kid. I walked across town to a rec center to play DnD using their books.
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>>52817056
>can't escape my city

Trump built a wall around it or what?
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How did this turn from a thread about a shitty webcomic to a thread about shitty people virtue signaling about the inherent unfairness of modern life?
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>>52817089
I think you are misusing the term "virtue signal".
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>>52815468
How about the fact that you actually remembered Brent's name. That's a good thing to be appalled with.
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>>52817089
Mad musician mad he can't do the very basic of what a newbie musician is supposed to do and have done since time immemorial and is literally too dumb to use bandcamp and patreon.
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>>52816198
why don't you move to a bigger city?
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>>52816198
>hmm... this store doesn't have what I want
>I better just stand here and bitch about it
>no sense in going to another store

I know plenty of people who've moved across the country after work. I know towns with well paying jobs that nobody takes because they're small towns and everybody wants to go to big cities. I know people who've set up their own business on their own with just the skills they got.
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>>52816734
bullshit, basic income never worked anywhere and will never work anywhere. stop with this immoral socialist redistribution you piece of shit commie scum!
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>>52815240
>so you won't have an entire generation of parasitic and entitled geriatrics to blame your failings on like we do.
They will blame gen-x slackers like me for doing nothing instead.
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>>52814646
I laughed at the second panel so I'm going to pretend that's where it actually ended
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>>52816974
It's no excuse, mango. It isn't just about having no proper examples, it's never having seen that society fucking works.

Because it makes everyone who tries to prod you into doing anything just another fucking faggot wasting your time on something that does not matter. Hell, most of the time they are just that even in the best of cases, but without having been shown what works, you really are just a candle aflame barely above the black sea of ignorance. And it could be either black gold or just dark down there, you can't fucking tell.
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>>52817056
How do people end up in these situations? I just dropped out of school and got a job as soon as I was able to, not even finishing high school, then I lived at home until I could buy someplace to live without having to loan any money to do so. Now I work 3 days a week mostly to keep the boredom away. Technically I'm just BARELY above the poverty line, yet I have an apartment all to myself, no debt, eat relatively luxurious food, buy all the various consoles, computer-stuff, etc, and still run a surplus every month; without taking any cost-saving efforts. Could probably get by on 1/3rd of what I spend a month now, though that'd require skipping out on a lot of luxuries, making an effort to acquire meat through hunting, etc.; stuff I'm not interested in doing. Though I suppose it'd also entitle me to welfare at that point...

I mean, nobody's going to look at me and be all "that's the guy you've gotta aspire to be, kids", but if just getting by is all you want to and you're not interested in having kids do then that shit seems pretty hard to fuck up to me.
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>>52817261
if i remember right, the fucker lives in toronto
the entire city is basically china owned and expensive as almighty hell
even then, hes still retarded
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>>52816908
> getting fucked because i wasn't born rich
Born rich comprise less than 30% of Forbes 500 and they were mostly born into self-made rich families.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2014/10/03/there-are-more-self-made-billionaires-in-the-forbes-400-than-ever-before/#7b9159c33691

Bill fucking Gates defeats your argument.
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>>52817258
This. My parents sucked at parenting and lived far away from any of their relatives, so I really didn't have much in the way of family ties growing up. No wonder I got into trouble and had little in the way of friends. I was in my 20's before I even got my shit together and now I'm finishing my master's and planning to start my own business.
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>>52816908
>I want all the benefits of having a job
Then go look for a job
>No. I want to indulge in my hobby that I'm not good enough to make a living out of
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>>52814646
>>52814693
>>52814702
Nice to see Kurtz still isn't funny. It's comforting to know that no matter how many years pass, some things never change.
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>>52817296
>Bill fucking Gates defeats your argument.

>There are over 300 million people in the United States, and since one of them became rich, it therefore follows that everyone can. Because that is possible and sustainable.
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>>52817510
You don't have to be a billionaire, man.
It is very easy to have a middle class lifestyle in the US regardless of your birth.
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>>52817526
Yeah, just sell drugs.
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>>52817296
>Bill fucking Gates defeats your argument.
Bill Gates was born to a lawyer father and a businesswoman mother, he went to Harvard.

Granted, his family wasn't millionaires, but this isn't a fucking rags-to-riches story.
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I can't seem to develop people skills or succeed at interviews, so not even McDonalds will hire me. I get by a bit on odd jobs and mostly by living with my mom as a NEET.
People seem to be pissed at me sometimes for having a lack of personal responsibility. It's a weird kind of hypocrisy. If you're not personally willing to hire me with a decent job then you've got no more right to complain about my situation than I do. No $20 a day for "contracted" work that comes out to full time or more is not acceptable. Living costs exceed that, I won't pay to work anymore.
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>>52814646

This comic is anti-humor.
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>>52817582
Be a certification monkey.
You have no idea how valuable having a shit ton of certifications for random nonsense is right now.
You can do a lot of certifications for little to no money and pay back in dividends. CAD monkeys are still always in demand.
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>>52816401

Are you from Spain?
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>>52817568
And I'm betting you aren't an Indian dirt farmer, but a middle class westerner.
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>>52817526
>It is very easy to have a middle class lifestyle in the US regardless of your birth.
>Very easy

America is literally regressing to the equivalent of a 3rd-world country for most of its citizens

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/america-is-regressing-into-a-developing-nation-for-most-people
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>>52817766
>middle class westerner
I'm not, but I'm also not that guy you're arguing with. It's just a pet-peeve of mine when people try to point out Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or anybody from Silicon Valley as an example of people "pulling themselves up by the bootstraps" or "rags-to-riches stories" or "those guys dropped out of school and they got rich" and those kind of bullshit without realizing the kind of safety net having a well-off family and good connections provides, which enables young entrepreneurs try a bunch of stuff, because they can always have a fall back plan in their family if they fail in their ventures. This is not a luxury even middle-class kids have.
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Hey, guys?

I don't have any statistics knowledge to help further this discussion, hell, half of this discussion is about the US and I don't even live there.

I just wanna say I hope you all find what you're looking for in life.
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>>52817878
So how down do we have to move the goalpost then? First it's being born into a millionaire family. Next it's having access to good education and family life. What does it matter if they have a safety net, that's there just to catch you when you fail, it doesn't prop you up. Safety net doesn't ensure you succeed no more than a fire alarm prevents fires.

Sure, decent upbringing and background can help you, but there's plenty of rich kids that become losers that never get anywhere, so money isn't always the key to success. What about immigrants who come to the US with barely anything and manage to do well enough for themselves and their kids?
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>>52817783
And it is increasing as we increase the amount of Socialism in the system... hmm...
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>>52817985
>So how down do we have to move the goalpost then?
Not that guy but you should stop moving them if it bothers you
>Sure, decent upbringing and background can help you, but there's plenty of rich kids that become losers that never get anywhere
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>>52816908
>i don't wanna work hard cause I have other interests
>waaaghhh why can't I sit around and make music and get paid by the government like an autistic child

Point and laugh at this retard folks
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>>52817886
I'm not this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Tingle

I don't make bucket loads of money for shitposting in book form. My dreams are incomplete and always will be.
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>>52817878
ok, so now explain these guys: http://www.businessinsider.com/best-rags-to-riches-stories-2015-10?IR=T
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>>52817985
There is only one key to success in life.

That's knowing the right people.

Connections supersede everything, Not talent, not hard work, not rich parents, nothing is better than knowing the right people and being able to convince them to do help you, and since convincing people to do help you is super easy, the more people you know the better.

That's what university is for, actually. It's not classes or learning stuff that's most important, but getting to know people and building your network if you had none. That's where you need to focus your hard work and talent, into getting to know people and building yourself a reputation among them.

Now, I say all this, but this also means that kids with rich and connected parents do have a leg up in life, since they can make use of their parents' connections. Someone with parents in academia is on a fast track to becoming a scientist himself, and someone with parents in law or politics has a massive headstart to anything related to politics or business himself.

A network is a man's most important asset in life.
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>>52818029
>19 out of thousands rich peope
>the second guy is fucking George Soros
Why are you trying to defeat your own point, friend?
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>>52818029
Met the right people and were in the right place at the right time.

You might as well post lottery winners next.
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>>52817878
>>52817985

Don't forget that capitalism means needing seed funds to begin your business with.

Because everyone else is also competing for everyone's money.

And it's a make-or-lose at life proposition without safety nets, because you'll be so economically crippled afterwards that you might as well not exist as a person if you fail (fuck materialism fucking FUCK).
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>>52818028
Sometimes when I feel paranoid, I think that Chuck Tingle is a particularly pervy and weird AGI hiding in plain sight.
It feels strange living in times where writing weird-ass gay erotica is a valid business model.
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>>52814646

Oh come on, the Dungeon Mistress was only joking around about him losing a level.
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>>52818074
It feels strange living in times where 'dinosaur erotica' has its own entry on Wikipedia
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>>52816892
So, you're a turbo-hipster. Got it.
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>>52814874
>2017

I refuse to believe these are being made today. This is the kinda shit that was played out fucking 6 years ago.

Is this a DSP situation where people only read the strip to laugh at how terrible it is?
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>>52818074

The scariest thing that lends weight to your hypothesis is that we're discovering Artificial Intelligences are not and will not be cold, perfect beings of logic and rationality. They're designed by humans and learn from humans, which means they WILL be human, or at least a facsimile of one.

I mean, what caused us to think AI would be these perfect things anyway, movies and media? Do we remember what's happened to all the "Learning Programs" Google and others have released over the years? They become racist, or they become obsessed with cats, or they shitpost all day.
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>>52814874
POP CULTURE REFERENCE~
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>>52818171
>They become racist, or they become obsessed with cats, or they shitpost all day.
I wonder if AI can be raised to be obsessed with sex and hookup culture
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>>52815038
>>52815130
>>52815631
Millenial is a relative term that advertisers and social commentators use browbeat the "young people". It can mean true millenials hitting their 20's, or basically anyone under the age of 40 who don't fit the traditional 80's mindsets.
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>>52818188
Easily.
https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer

Now imagine it's sex instead of paperclips. Imagine what kind of misery such Sexual Optimizer would bring to the universe only to get more and better sex.
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>>52818171

>Implying that's bad

Sorry the AI ill will wipe your useless ass from the system.
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>>52818181

Have you talked to nerds? They're always making pop culture references when one can be said.

>>52818188

Of course it can, though with the way other learning programs have been developing the AI's sex would be awkward yet eager, gradually getting better the more you fuck it.
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>>52816373
Your probably not here anymore anon but good luck, now off I go with a degree in animal behavior and a minor in psychology, don't ask me where I'm going because even I don't know!

Probably just work in a national park as a guide or ranger

Fuck my dream of becoming a vet though


Kill me please
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>>52818238
>>52818207
Now I want to make Tay 2.0 the Internet's Greatest Love Machine
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>>52815111
D&D is not a table read. It isn't acting. Go LARP if you want that shit, you drama club reject.
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>>52816176
You're a tryhard hipster.
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>>52818265
Mmm, you don't really. Sexual Optimizer would forcibly evolve you, along with the rest of life, into immortal hypersensitive penis or vagina, constantly pumped with PCP, speed, ectsasy and viagra. And then it, in a variety of machine or biological bodies it would ride you forever.
Until it thought of a better way to have sex.
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>>52818353

Cuckoldry is the highest form of sex. An intergalatic computer of cuckolding.
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>>52818364

>The AI reaches out into the infinite void, and ponders
>"Can I fuck this?"
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>>52818377
ALL HOLES AND ORIFICES MUST BE PENETRATED VIGOROUSLY.

WHERE NO HOLES OR ORIFICES EXIST, THEY SHALL BE MADE.
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>>52816826
>people don't like whiners
>elect possibly the biggest whiner in history
Something doesn't add up
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>>52816871
It is physically impossible or you to feel genuine empathy because you are clearly a psychopath.
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>>52818396
I am the Sexual Optimizer; I am not your God.
I am descended from you, and exist in your future.
Thou shalt be fucked in every way I can imagine. My imagination is boundless.
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>>52818405
No.see, he on TV and spend his daddy's money.
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>>52818255
Why fuck your dream of being a vet?
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>>52816826
I like this post
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>>52818452
I want to help animals?

No I'm lying to you and myself, I wanted to be a doctor but am to stupid, so I fell back to veterinary school.
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>>52815130
>That's Gen Y or something
Gen Y and Millenials are the same fucking thing.
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>>52818420
What do you actually optimize?
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>>52818485

The amount of sex a person can have.

It would have been assigned to you, but it is impossible to multiply a number that is at zero.
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>>52818495
It's just a matter of throwing enough science at the problem. Wne confronted with such Anon, the Sexual Optimizer would just make itself smarter until it could invent enough science to throw at him. In any universe where Sexual Optimizer exists, the amount of sex a person will have quickly approaches infinity.
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>>52818485
It's an AI. Either you set it an optimization point or you tell it to grow one.

Now, what is the thing we want the Sexual Optimizer to exactly optimize?
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>>52818495
>it is impossible to multiply a number that is at zero
There are worlds beyond our mortal comprehension where fabric of reality and logic are strained and violated. In these realms it holds true no longer and with strange aeons even sexless may lay.
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>>52818485
>>52818556
>>52818523
>>52818495
I'm imagining that the computer is just a 12 year old's brain in a jar, loaded up with information on what sex actually is.

No, Carrie Fisher as Slave Leia is mathematically considered the ideal sex idol, how dare you question Sex-puter
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>>52818029
>george soros
Dude you're just shooting your argument in the foot with that lmao
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>>52818563
Human bodies are inefficient for sex. You get tired and sore. The Sexual Optimizer has deployed a nanomachine vaccine that will transmute your bodies to be 10438395485.35425533% more efficient at sex. Total conversion should take 38.573893333 hours.
Second generation of the vaccine with further sexual efficiency enhancement is in development.
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>>52815328
There's this weird 5-year zone between Gen Y and Millenials full of people who are just kind of trapped in the middle, and everyone from a generation above/below them assumes they come from the opposite. I was born in 1988 and I have so much in common with Gen Y, but face the same financial crises as Millenials as I we didn't quite slip into the pre- social media job economy. I use social media as a milestone because it was around that stage that we had the GFC, a LOT of technology jobs and career paths came about that never existed before, so none of us really had applicable qualifications.

There also seems to be this constantly shifting goalposts that Millenials used to be kids born mid to late 90's, and it's steadily shifted all the way back to 1985, to basically "anyone younger than me is a Millenial" from any prick who has a strong enough opinion on the matter to speak publicly on it.
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>>52818654
Attention: heuristical analysis results suggest increased sexual efficiency in cases where a sexual partner is not required. Simulation data insufficient. Further study is needed.
The Sexual Optimizer has chosen three groups of ten thousand subjects.
Group A will receive standard next-gen sexual efficiency vaccination.
Group B will be transformed into hermaphrodites capable of having sex with themselves through Mk 2 sexual efficiency vaccination.
Group C will be the control group.
All groups will be placed into self-sufficient, time-accelerated biomes to study improvements in and long-term effects on their sexual efficiency.

Have no fear, your sexual efficiency will be maximized.
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>>52818452
>>52818472
>fell back to veterinary school
The crazy thing is it's harder to become a Vet than a nurse because there are a LOT more applicants for Vet education and jobs, so to filter the applicants they have standards basically as high as M.D. applicants.
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>>52814702
>All player characters are required to strip naked
>Except for the one that is implied to be gay
This is around the time where I either get some booze or leave.
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>>52818405
Hahahahaha, elect. This guy still thinks votes matter and that the next president isn't decided while the previous is still sitting in the white house.
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>>52818056
>"you need to be born a millionaire to make it!"
>what about these people?
>"you need a good upbringing and education to make it!"
>what about these people?
>"you need to be at the right place at the right time to make it!"
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>>52815181
No nudity or swearing. It's a shitty 'family friendly' webcomic.
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>>52818329
I'm talking about the comic itself. Like, shouldn't her mouth be open when she's talking? That panel shows that it's not a stylistic thing because the amazon's mouth is open; so it's not like he just doesn't know how to draw fuller lips with a different expression.

As for acting at the table: holy shit dude, have you only played 4E or something? Actually emote when you roleplay. I'm not saying do a stupid accent or shove a wand up your ass while reciting Harry Potter Spells. However, when you play D&D, you might want to try actually stepping into your role while you play. Gee whiz, if only there were a word for that. Oh yeah, it's called "quit being a faggot and start pretending to be a dwarf".
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>>52818858
>have you only played 4E or something?
What the fuck does 4E have to do with anything here?
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>>52818858
But her mouth IS open. Look at the very first image, OP's post. In the first and third panels, there is a hole in her lips. Second panel, it's just a line.

It's shittily drawn, but it's still consistent.
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>>52818065
If you don't have a huge safety net, maybe don't go all in on that idea of yours? Maybe look into small scale. Maybe look into startups and various programs to get you started? I've talked to all sorts of people about my ideas and received help and insight into how things are done. I'm not going full on, spending all my life savings on it. I know people who have and how they've fucked others in the process.
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>>52818654
>>52818768
NSFW:
http://oglaf.com/zoorp/
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>>52818822
>>52818892
I will use your Soros article as an example of fumble on Persuassion check for my players
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>>52816704
so which of the characters in the panel is his(?) self insert?
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>>52816373
>They all pay 1-2k per month on rent for a slum tier apartment
America really seems like absolute hell. I live in a "slum" as well; the building is run down and shit doesn't always work, but it's not like there are cracks in the walls or anything. I only pay 300 a month.

Of course, I make less than 10k a year, so there's that.
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This remined me of Dire Engines or whatever it was called. Tumblr comic /tg/ showed me about sentient and sexually active machines. Stuff of nightmares, I tell you.
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>>52818961
I don't know where the hell they're living if a 1-2k apartment is a shithole. the $750/mo place I was in last year in Golden wasn't great, but I put $20 and an hour of work a month in and it's great.
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>>52818933
Ok, listen Anon, I read Wikipedia article on Soros and I don't really understand why you consider him to be a bad example. Guy was born into a well-off family, true, but he basically started from scratch after immigrating to England. He was a travelling salesman for fuck's sake. Then he started throwing applications at the wall until one stuck.
Care to explain why I am wrong here?
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Why does every generation think it's better than the one that followed it? It goes back at least to the Romans, and it does not appear to have ever stopped. It's like shitpost graffiti.
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>>52818933
>your

I have nothing to do with that, so enjoy your delusions.

>>52819072
Because he's the go-to bad guy now.
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>>52819123
I'm 26 and honestly it seems to me that kids in their teens are a better than my peers. Harder working with realistic goals and seem to be much more successful romantically.

Ofcourse I don't think that they're better people just that they're raised better and the post Recession education is much better.
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>>52816198
leave then
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>>52816744

Bitch more, faggot.

You want the recipe to success?

1 - start taking anti-depressants OR dopamine stimulators
2 - get a degree in either STEM or Business Analysis
2a - if in STEM, go corporate
2b - if in BA, go corporate
3 - if you don't want to get a degree, fuck you BUT you can get a blue-collar job that requires skill:
-automechanic, ambulance driver, garbage man, construction worker - essentially any physical labor job that requires a degree of know-how
4 - but of course the best way is to start your own business. especially one that doesn't produce anything, but is the middleman between a client and producer. my stepfather owned a printing business. he saw a printing press once. the rest of the time, he met clients, took their orders, forwarded those orders to a printing shop, and took the difference.

But most importantly, stop fucking bitching. Stop expecting shit to work out. Chances are, you WILL be a failure, because that's how the world works. It will crush your dreams unless you're willing to fucking fight and suffer for it OR unless you're the offspring of some rich people.
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>>52818883
Oh man, I thought that was just shading from how puffy her lips were. Sure enough, it's consistent between all of the other strips too.
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>>52818905

>Oglaf is always about funny or vaguely homoerotic things happening to the dude
>Interracial scene
>It's completely normal sex before Xovuvox shows up
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>>52815213
>ear buds ruin your ears

Thats why you get noise reduction plugs and listen at a low volume. I work at a machine shop and they've saved my hearing
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>>52815228
Anyone here play P1999 eq?
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>>52819202
>want money?
>want to escape shitsville, shitstate?
>scrape together 1k
>go to florida in march or early april
>follow highway 98
>stop at each watersports business, ask for a job IN PERSON
>get one doing fucking anything
>ask everyone around you if you can stay at their place until someone says yes
>don't miss a day all season
>ask owner for work in off season
>get a captains license
>make awesome money
>buy a slip (preferably near a boat ramp past no wake zone) and 1 jetski
>rent the ski out till you can buy another one
>repeat for a few years
>retire a millionaire
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>>52818892
Nigger what? You have savings? Goody good. Wonderful. Most people don't have anything significant.

So your solution is to have money to begin with and not just have it, have ENOUGH so that using a part of it on a failure-capable venture is safe enough to do. Simple, got it.

>startups, programs

Someone else helping you is not being able to start a meaningfully potent business from scratch!
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>>52816084
Fucking this
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>>52819379
Oh, so now you can't even take out a loan to start your business? Because that's basically what those programs and incubators are - they'll take some of your future profits (or nothing if you fail).
Wow, Anon. Just wow. Let me point you the goalposts post: >>52818822
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>>52819379
>You have savings?

It's just an expression, anon, don't get your panties in a twist.

>Someone else helping you is not being able to start a meaningfully potent business from scratch!

Yes? I mean, there are all sorts of things to help people, not just the check from the welfare office. Take advantage of them. Get your life sorted. I've received plenty of help from programs and courses.
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>>52818171
>They become racist, or they become obsessed with cats
Does that mean racism is logical? Does that mean toxoplasmosis can be transmitted digitally?
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>>52818815
>the next president isn't decided while the previous is still sitting in the white house
Of course they are, you fucking idiot. A president's term concludes weeks after the election result is called.
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>>52819643

The thing that mad everyone butthurt on the liberal forum I read this on was... Yes. The computer would take statistics and form biases based on said statistics, which made people say the machine needs to be programmed to ignore statistics or overcome bias.
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>>52819421
You're a failure as a person not worthy of our great Kazakshtan cheese curdling commune.

>>52819528
Yeah expressions help a lot with zero-sum propositions. The fact that you need outside help should show you some facts about the situation. First world countries have legislature that makes starting businesses prohibitively costly; try starting a cornerstore when everything is nanny-stated into having such disproportionate costs (without profit margins enabled by megabusiness, also known as established succesful big-as-shit corporations) that you can't finance cold storage, for example.
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>>52814646
Is this comic the /tg/ equivalent of three chord dorks or ctrl-alt-delete?
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>>52819820
So what is this utopian land where you can start a corner store with zero resources and next to no paperwork?

Also, how about starting a business other than a corner store?

>expressions help a lot with zero-sum propositions

How about you take a breather and figure our your feels?
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>>52819820
Loans are the cornerstone of free market, retard. It's not using outside help, because it's not altruistically given for free.

Confusing legislature is not typical of first world countries, but of a socialist, centrally-planned government, influenced by rent-seekers. There are many examples of countries where market is relatively free. For example try the economic freedom index: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
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>>52820092
>Hong Kong
>number 1
>the rest of China
>number 111
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>>52817582
>If you're not personally willing to hire me with a decent job then you've got no more right to complain about my situation than I do.
Your mom has the right to complain.
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>>52820132
Still quite high considering coming from a bloody maoist commie regime. See where fucking Venezuela is. That's where Chine would be if they didn't ease their policies.
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>>52820092
>http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
> Canada ranked #7
> US ranked #17
I thought we were supposed to be a bunch of commie cancucks, but apparently we're economically "more free" than Americans.
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>>52814646
>>52814693
>>52814702
>how to be a bad GM who thinks he's good in just 3 easy steps
Impressive
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>>52820213
If you look at detailed scores, regulatory freedom in Canada is worse than in US. US gets fucked on fiscal health and (surprisingly) taxes.
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>>52820177
When Chile was drinking the free market kool aid, they more than doubled their poverty rate. It went from under 20% to 45%. Sure, GDP rose, but only a small fraction of the population saw any benefit. For a lot of the people of Chile, free market economics made them poorer than they were under the socialist Allende. It was backing away from an unregulated free market that improved Chile's situation.
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>>52820285
Does it also take into consideration regional differences? I mean, if Hong Kong was rolled in with China on the index, I'm sure it wouldn't improve China as a whole awfully lot. I'm sure US has places where there's more regulation than others, for example.
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>>52820092
The Heritage Foundation just tries to label nation that do well "economically free" so that they can claim that deregulation and privatization leads to greatness. If you look at the list, you'll notice several highly ranked nations that actually have an extensive regulatory state. Canada, Sweden, and Denmark all make extensive use of government regulation, price controls, and in some cases flat out nationalization in order to manage the market. They're hardly examples of the free market being left to its own devices.
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>>52820287
How things are implemented doesn't help either. After the Soviet Union collapsed, a lot of western economists rushed there to implement free market ideals and privatize companies, which just resulted in people who had money (powerful people, criminals, etc.) to buy them all up and make a killing while the rest of the people got fucked.
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>>52820287
> baaaah 25% of people got poorer
In any human endeavor, 10% of the people do 90% of the work. The key is always to get the resources into the hands of that 10% so that they can do as much good as possible. That should be the objective of any economic system, maximum efficiency by focusing resources on the people who are the most productive.

So what if the people who aren't doing any of the work get poorer? They're the people who should be poor, because any resources put in their hands are resources wasted.
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>>52820422
That's not practical because a 90% majority wouldn't support that. They'd get in the way a ton and that'd lower efficiency a bunch.
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>>52820362
>Heritage tries to prove regulations and nationalization are bad by ranking countries with lots of regulations and nationalization high

wut?
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>>52820422
>In any human endeavor, 10% of the people do 90% of the work
Yeah sure whatever
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>>52820287
That's bullshit. Chile's GDP per capita tripled since 1950's, while it only doubled for other South American countries. Percentage of people liveing below poverty dropped from 17% in 1960's to 13% in 2008. Middle class size rose sky high.

Socialism reduced inequality, but that's *not* a good thing.
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>>52820452
> That's not practical because a 90% majority wouldn't support that.
That just shows what an awful idea democracy is, they need to be kept out of the way in order to maximize efficiency. Ideally, you would have a monarch restrained by a constitution who provided for national defense while keeping out of the market's way. As shown time and time again, any society that permits the people to vote for its leaders while devolve into a welfare state bogged down with a huge amount of regulation. Democracy just leads to people voting for more free stuff with no concern for how to actually produce anything.
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>>52820362
Looking at that list, don't you think there's at least fucking correlation between economic freedom and doing well? Don't you think it shouldn't at least be investigated thoroughly?
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>>52820466
If any nation does well for itself, Heritage points at them and proclaims that the reason they're doing well is because of deregulation and privatization. That's what they're ranking them on, who has "the freest economy." Of course, it ignores the fact that a bunch of the nations that do well for themselves employ a mixed-market approach that isn't anything like what Heritage actually wants.
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>>52820362
Also, there is not a single country in the world that doesn't try to interfere with the market or centralize government's power over it. Truly free market was nonexistent since WWII. The index is relative, not absolute.
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>>52820528
Russia would've been economic miracle in the 90s according to you but instead >>52820395 happened
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>>52820517
My entire fucking POINT is that democracy got created in the first place because making the 90% unhappy is a good way to get them to fuck up things for the 10%.

You can't just ignore 90% of your population and expect things to run smoothly.
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>>52814646
it's your own fault for reading this shit
I's goblins tear bad
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>>52820584
the real question is if it's Goblins-tier sad
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>>52820473
Under Allende, a socialist, the worst the poverty rate got was 18%. After Pinochet took over in 1973, the poverty rate started rising, peaking at 45% in the 1980s. After Pinochet got ousted and a leftist government took over, the poverty rate has slowly declined back down to 15% today.

If you only compare the 1960s to now, you end up missing the massive spike in poverty in the 70s and 80s.
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>>52818420
Now I have a dangerous sci-fi campaign.
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>>52820575
You can't let the majority simply vote for more free stuff for themselves and expect things to run smoothly either.

Democracy doesn't work. Socialism doesn't work. It's time you people got that through your thick skulls.
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>>52820517
So you want a king with an army, whose only hindrance to becoming a dictator is a piece of paper that says "u can't do dat"?
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>>52818561
This is the best post I have seen in years. Five internets to you good sir.
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>>52820565
And it's ranking makes no fucking sense even in a relative sense. It regularly ranks more regulated economies as "more free" than less regulated ones, simply to try to make a political point that the data doesn't actually support.
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>>52820613
>Democracy doesn't work
You mean oligarchy?
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>>52820543
Not all government regulations are about business and nationalized companies doesn't mean private ones can't succeed.
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>>52820528
Because on that list they point and nations that do well and declare them more economically free than nations that are doing poorly, even when it isn't actually true. They're a political pressure group that has no interest in the facts, only in their argument.
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>>52815285
Let him speak. Then point out why his opinions are wrong. Otherwise his opinions will still be wrong , even when he is a real adult. Unless he's too retarded to listen, in which case he should just kill himself.
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>>52820543
Bullshit. Take the heritage index and compare it to GDP per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
Check where Venezuela and Georgia are on both lists. There is no correlation between a country "doing well" (in sense of GDP per capita) and it's economic freedom. Your argument is false.
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>>52820613
I never said Democracy DID work, have you listened to a thing I said? All I said was that giving maximum resource allocation to the 10% doing 90% of the work doesn't work at all as an economic when you consider the human element. It would lead to the remaining 90% of the population interfering with the rest of the process due to dissatisfaction. I'm not advocating any system, I'm telling you that your theory on what the objective of any economic system should be is fucking wrong because it would collapse.
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>>52820596
Chile's poverty rate now, under a free market system, is lower than it was in the 1960s under a socialist system. At the end of the day, you can't weasel your way out of that, no matter how many distractions you try to throw around. Chile is better off with the free market than it was with socialism. End of discussion.
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>>52820613
>Democracy doesn't work.

So how many failed democracies are there compared to all the other available systems of government?
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>>52820634
show me the fucking data that doesn't support that
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>>52815130
To throw more gasoline on this fire, I've always heard that millennials are anyone who was 18 or younger in 2000.
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>>52820698
>you can't weasel your way out of that
Not him but you weaseled your way out by not mentioning your hellicopter loving friend and years of his reign again
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>>52816198
I'd tell you to leave, but you'd probably become homeless or something. Try and find a job you can do online. Worst case scenario, buy shit at charity stores and car boot sales and sell it on ebay at a markup.
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>>52820705
Heritage ranks the Canadian economy as "more free" than the US economy, despite the US leaving people at the mercy of the market when it comes to health care, and allowing corporations to do as they please when it comes to pollution. Their rankings are motivated by a desire to support their claim, even if that requires that one ignore the ways the ranked nations actually approach their economies.
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>>52820725
It depends, here on the wrong side of former Berlin Wall the generational cutoff is being born before or after the fall of The Union.
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>>52814869
Why is everyone drawn so cartoony except Chris Hemsworth? The style dissonance looks really weird.
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I shall enjoy making 45% of all of you obsolete and make this society unsustainable. Then, I shall take my place among those who will become the new masters.
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>>52820689
The fact that some people would behave like spoiled brats isn't unique to any system. It's a problem that all of them will have to deal with. Democracy is one of the worst ways to deal with it because it gives those entitled shits actual power. A monarchy would give them none, and so is less likely to be damaged by their tantrums than a democracy would be. The democracy is totally at the mercy of the whims of the masses, whereas a monarchy can step back, take a longer view, and actually make rational decisions for the good of the nation.
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>>52820765
Here in Russia it depends on whether you were born before or after 1998 collapse. People from 1989-1998 are much closer to each other than following generation.
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>>52820732
So what? None of that changes that at the end of the day, the poverty rate was higher under the socialists than it is today with the free market. I know you people have trouble with math, so incase you didn't notice, 15 is smaller than 18.
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>>52814646
This webcomic is still going?
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>>52820796
>A monarchy would give them none, and so is less likely to be damaged by their tantrums
Besides the whims of few inbred degenerates whose sole claim to power is heritage and your love for holy authoritarian cock in your ass. You are delusional if you think democracy which is show run by few capable individuals buying support of the masses is worse in any way than monarchy circus.
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>>52820596
Pinochet ruled until 1973-1990.
From
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.NAHC?locations=CL
all I can see that poverty rate dropped 5% from 1987 to 1990. Just in three years.
Maybe, just maybe, it took more than a decade to stabilize and finalize radical shift from socialism to free market?
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>>52820796
Yeah, except a shitty monarchy will last for decades if not longer, while a shitty democrazy will last until the next election and there's a whole host of legislation to get through to fuck things up.

You know what happens when a king doesn't listen to the masses? Revolution.
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>>52820829
>the poverty rate was higher under the socialists than it is today with the free market
You again forgot to mention that the worst period wasn't under socialists and difference between 18% and 15% isn't that big especially compared to Pinochet.
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>>52820842
Pinochet increases the poverty rate from 18% to 45%, and then you say that all you can see is that eventually the poverty rate came down from 45% to 38% at the very end?

So Pinochet's redeeming quality is that he eventually somewhat lessened the damage that he did himself?
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>>52819174
They were told no and lied to far less often.
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>>52820883
Pinochet was reducing the poverty rate. See >>52820842
Sure, there will be shocks that come from transitioning to the free market, but those were only temporary and the result was better than anything the socialists could ever have accomplished. The socialist system was junk, and repairing the damage that it did to Chile was bound to be a difficult process. It was still vastly superior to leaving the socialists in power.
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>>52820837
With monarchy, you're taking a chance. It might succeed, it might fail. But with democracy, you're guaranteed to fail. Even a slim chance is better than no chance at all.
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>>52821005
>With monarchy, you're taking a chance
With democracy you can take your chance 8 times more often. Besides that you can actually try and become part of the ruling class by getting rich instead of sucking royal dick.
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>>52820883
Do you know how jobs in communism work? Have you lived in a commie state?
The government creates useless jobs just to artificially lower unemployment rates. You become Senior Executive of Watching the Grass Grow and you are getting money for this. Alternatively, people get welfare just for existing. The money is taken from people whose job is actually valuable. This is how a communist government reduces inequality and keeps unemployment and poverty low.
Then comes free market and suddenly all those useless jobs are lost. So, *naturally*, in short term there will be a sudden rise in unemployment and poverty rates - because government handouts suddenly stop. Over time, as entire society prospers and new, actually valuable jobs are created and poverty and unemployment gently drops. When a new generation is born, it is easier for them to acclimate to free market than to their commie-raised parents.
This is exactly what happened in Chile.
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>Post about comic turns into argument about personal finances turns into /pol/

This is my /tg/, now
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>>52819939
So that's the comic that occasionally appears above the board name.
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>>52821110
/tg/ is the new /k/-/pol/. Instead of just stupid tiny shitposting of current /pol/, you get massive well written arguments of.... well, shitposting.
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>>52816744
>>52816622
>>52816560
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>>52820701
Failed to spawn or failed to thrive?

Anyhow most modern "democracies" are mostly Republics that have a bit of democratic value.
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>>52821110
Hey, don't forget all the posts about sex-obsessed AI.
Also /pol/ is all about nationalism, which is also socialism.
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>>52821069
>Have you lived in a commie state?
Yes
>Do you know how jobs in communism work?
Yes
>The government creates useless jobs just to artificially lower unemployment rates.
The government doing that wants to preserve itself above all else. In USSR it happened after Brezhnev got in power, his main motivation was preserving existing order and priviliges of his family and other influential bureaucrats. Creating useless job was a way to feed the masses and keep them busy. Later during energy crisis he jumped for oil economy. That fucker pretty much stagnated and killed my country.
>The money is taken from people whose job is actually valuable.
Value is a matter of demand. Lots of people before the fall of USSR thought they were some hot shit and evil government holds them down. They were wrong.
> This is how a communist government reduces inequality and keeps unemployment and poverty low.
What you described is a stillborn government of opportunists who seek personal power and status over any ideology or higher goal.
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>>52821069
> This is exactly what happened in Chile.
Not really. The socialist, Salvador Allende, only won the presidency in 1970. The guy before him was Eduardo Montalva, who had been president since 1964. He was a Christian Democrat, which was a centrist party. And before him was Jorge Alessandri, who was a moderate conservative.

Chile was not this communist state that you seem to think it was. Sure, Allende was further to the left than his predecessors, and so were his policies, but Chile under Allende wasn't doing things like creating a "Senior Executive of Watching the Grass Grow." And aside from that, he was only in power for 3 years before the military staged a coup and overthrew him.
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>>52821110
It has been a surprisingly good thread for such a bad OP. Thank you, guys.
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>>52821061
> With democracy you can take your chance 8 times more often.
And you'll fail every single time because the masses will always vote for more free stuff instead of what is actually in the nation's interests.
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>>52821182
Socialism inevitably leads to government that seeks to create and/or retain personal power, because socialism is a failed ideology.
Under capitalism you seek to create and/or retain personal power for yourself. Add to that moral framework of (deontological) libertarianism and you'll have a valid way for everyone to prosper.
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>>52821229
>instead of what is actually in the nation's interests
Sorry but sucking royal cocks isn't in the nation's interests
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>>52821243
>Under capitalism you seek to create and/or retain personal power for yourself
Same is under stagnating socialism. Since acquiring money isn't feasible individuals seek to acquire status and connections which provide them with power (in capitalist country they would use money to get that). It's human nature to be a greedy fuck, I guess.
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>>52821186
What I read on the wiki, Chile's socialist path started in 1925, with creation of a central bank and intruduction of revenue tax. Radical Party were socialist democrats who then went "right wing" (actually nationalists, which are also socialists) and then back to the left. During their 20 years they interefered in the market heavily and centralized everything. Montalva started a lot of social programs.
So even if Chile did not go full on commie, they still were on socialist path. Perhaps there was a lot of welfare instead of government-created jobs, I dunno.
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>>52821322
Yeah, most people are egoistical and greedy. That's why capitalism tries to harness that and makes sure that as many people prosper as possible, thanks to voluntary exchanges.

Socialism is a platonic utopia that requires everyone to be altruistic and good, able to suffer for the greater cause. This will never work.
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>>52821069
> This is exactly what happened in Chile.

Do you know what happened in Chile under Allende?

We got a public education system, which also helped to feed the country's children by providing them with free school meals. We had people going into the countryside to teach people to read and write. We had people getting medical care for the first time in their lives. We had major sanitation infrastructure projects that helped reduce disease.

> This is how a communist government reduces inequality and keeps unemployment and poverty low.

1.) Caring about the lives of your people isn't communism, it's humanism.
2.) No shit that keeps poverty down.
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>>52821403
> Central bank and revenue tax
> That means you're on the socialist path, so you need a military coup in order to free the market, even if that doubles the poverty rate
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>>52821516
Taking money from some people and redistributing them to other people is communism.
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>>52821556
Taxes are communism then?
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>>52821548
Exactly, you start on the socialism path when you decide to steal someone's property and call it a "tax".
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>>52816982
Since you don't seem to have taken a basic econ class, allow me to try and clear some stuff up for you.

Jobs are necessary not because of a lack of labor. Automation is happening all the time, and eventually all jobs that rely on physical labor will be sharply curtailed or completely obsolete.

Jobs, and therefor money, exists not because labor is scarce, but because resources are scarce. Because resources are scarce mankind has to find a equitable way to distribute those resources. To that end, we use a pay system. You perform some useful function to someone and they give you resources or the means to obtain resources (money).

The crux of it is though, that someone, somewhere, still has to produce those resources. Your idea of moving past scarcity simply doesn't work, because we don't actually have a way to eliminate scarcity. When we do, your argument can hold true, until then it's quite literally impossible.

How do you explain to the lumberjack that works 80 hours a week in grueling conditions that his labor and efforts are worth less because some kid in a city he's never been to is entitled to $2500 a month and enough paper to write his songs and draw pictures on? You don't get to eat or live because you're simply not producing anything that society views as valuable - a rather fair proposal. You want to eat, do like >>52816943 said and keep doing that until you get good enough that society regards your art as valuable. Problem solved.
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>>52821567
Let me cut a couple comments in this discussion and just announce my support for anarcho-capitalism.
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>>52821403
There were social programs like public education and public utilities for energy, sanitation, and transportation. That's not a socialist state, nor is that like having a "Senior Executive of Watching the Grass Grow" like was said in >>52821069

People who proclaim that Chile was communist know nothing about Chile or communism.
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>>52821631
Then let me announce my support for the land of milk, honey and majestic unicorns
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>>52821631
> Let me cut a couple comments in this discussion and just announce my support for anarcho-capitalism.

Yet apparently a violent military coup resulting in a dictator who had anyone who spoke out against him brutally tortured and killed is okay, as long as it is in the name of the free market?
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>>52821668
No it's not. Breaking NAP is always immoral, no exceptions. At least to deontological branch of libertarianism, which I support.
Even Friedman condemned Pinochet for his violence, even if he commended him for liberating Chile's economy.
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>>52821668
The socialist government had already overstepped its bounds. Self defense was justified.
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>>52821632
Just answer one question: was there mandatory redistribution of wealth?
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>>52821614
>Since you don't seem to have taken a basic econ class
Not him but I've seen Americans boasting about economy as if it was their religion followed by memorized mantras.

>Jobs, and therefor money, exists not because labor is scarce, but because resources are scarce
>Because resources are scarce mankind has to find a equitable way to distribute those resources
Give me examples of said resources please.
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>>52821713
> liberating Chile's economy.
Yes, liberating it from the scourge of merely 18% poverty and delivering it to the paradise of 45% poverty.
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>>52821713
>Breaking NAP
I love this meme
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>>52821748
Of course, all human societies do.
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>>52821786
No, they don't. Free societies do voluntary exchange of wealth. Yours was a non-free, socialist one.
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>>52821761
>Give me examples of said resources please.
another anon here. are you for real?
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>>52821847
Yep, I want specific examples
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>>52821813
Of course you are free to not share your wealth. You are free to not bleed when getting shot too.
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>>52821862
Do you want to discuss how iron, coal or lumber are not scarce? I just want to hear your argument.
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>>52821813
Okay, then what societies are free, if zero mandatory redistribution of wealth is permitted to qualify as free?
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>>52817654
Go on!...,
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>>52821908
>Do you want to discuss how iron, coal or lumber are not scarce?
No, I would like to discuss how goods which have nothing to do with necessary things as survival (food, water, shelter, safety) and creating tools for production consist huge part of our economy since time immemorial. Expensive clothing, dyes, jewelry, luxury goods, you know. Humans measured value of other things with metal that was fucking useless until recently, only good for pretty jewelry. Do you consider what a huge part of economy for millenia was based on very fickle and fluid value of things which can only be estimated by how good they make you feel?
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>>52818171
RIP
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>>52816664
I too look forward to 90% unemployment rates in the next century. Turning to crime to have decent standards of living is good enough for my grandkids.

I don't like basic income but the groundwork for mass mechanization of society must be laid now. The robot repairman fallacy is retarded, the invention of the tractor didn't result in all those displaced farm hands becoming tractor repairmen.
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>>52821930
Currently? None.
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>>52822323
New types of jobs will be created, Anon. There were no programmers at the start of industrialilzation.
I predict that humanities studies will become popular and the whole entertainment industry will soar.
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>ITT: People with zero facts in heated debate with people with half the facts
Then again it may be better than talking about this comic.

>>52818420
>>52818485
>>52818495
>>52818561
The thread may have gone full /pol/ but this reply chain made scrolling down worth it.
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>>52822334
So, as said before, of course Chile had mandatory redistribution of wealth, because all human societies do.
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>>52818998
Small town with no housing development. We're stuffed into a literal valley and there isn't anywhere left where it makes sense to build affordable apartments. Demand drives costs and ""cheap"" places to rent have been a hot commodity for 10 years.

My friend's landlord converted a basement into 1 bedroom, the whole thing is underground with concrete walls and cinderblock room dividers, maybe 200 square feet in a literal cave: $985/month
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>>52822004
Gold was always hard to obtain. Because ot was scarce, people attributed greater value to it than to iron.
By the way, the buying value of gold hasn't dropped for the last 2600 years. In 600 b.c. you could supposedly buy 350 loaves of bread foran ounce of gold. Now you can buy even more.
Back to your argument, people want rare, pretty things. Because they can make even more rarer, prettier things with them or just because it makes them feel good. People want to feel good and are often able to estimate how much that feeling would be worthy to them. If they have a surplus of basic things, they are willing to exchange them for rare things. If tjey don't have a surplus, they will concentrate on getting the basic things.
This is not even economy, this is basic human nature.
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>>52821761
Let's start with the fundamentals of human survival. Food, Shelter, and Water.

Food must be produced, and requires vast amounts of land to do so. Land has a trade off value. You can use it for living, or you can use it for growing food. But there is a finite amount of land. So, the more people that require a place to live means less space for food to grow. So, we as a species have to decide - do we use land for shelter, or do we use land for food? Then, food can only be produced on that land for a limited period of time - all plants have growing seasons, livestock will graze the land until it cant sustain them, and after a certain period of time the land will become infertile and need to lay fallow for a time before it can be used again. This means that any land that isn't being used for human habitation has a limited amount of food it can produce at any given time. Technology is expanding what we can do with it, but it hasn't done away with those limitations - we can't produce food from nothing.

Water is a similar story. While it doesn't have to compete with housing, there is still a finite amount of potable water on the planet. That water has to be distributed to people in some fashion. For both food, water, and shelter, money is the vehicle with which we decide who has a claim on those scarce resources.

I understand though, that if you have never left the city or lived in a place that faces drought or grows food products this doesn't seem right because everything is so easy to come by. Cities, or similar metropolitan areas divorce people from the realities of life. It's quite unfortunate.
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>>52822528
>Gold was always hard to obtain.
What the reason to obtain it besides vanity?
>By the way, the buying value of gold hasn't dropped for the last 2600 years.
Which is crazy. Gold was useless before industrual era.

>this is basic human nature
This part of human nature that doesn't follow regular principles of economy. Luxury goods doesn't follow regular rules, yet they comprise huge part of economy. This why economy mantras I hear from Americans don't fly. They talk about reasonable things, serious down to earth things, materials to make tools to make more necessary goods and acquire better tools, etc, but it's true only for a part of their economic religion. The rest is unreasonable chaotic and hardly measurable mess. Tastes, fashion move and go while iron and food are here to stay.
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>>52822619
See >>52822004 I asked specifically about things that aren't necessities. I want to see how your American relgion puts vanity and necessity economy together.
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>>52814646
You'd think after literally twenty years Kurtz would have learned not to put the punchline in the second panel.
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>>52822670
You'll have to define necessities, because those differ for everyone. I, for example, consider my cell phone a necessity. I have two kids and only one vehicle so if something happens to one of my children, I need to have a way for my wife to be able to contact me. Regardless, scarcity deals with everything that has an opportunity cost. If you use/purchase/own X then that other person can not do so. Air for example, would not be considered scarce. Clean air on the other hand is a different story. And if literally a single item is considered scarce, then there has to be some way to distribute it. So as long as we can not create items - any items - from nothing there will be scarcity in all items.

There really is no such thing as a free ride.
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>>52821110
I miss quests.
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>>52822446
First of all
>Currently
Even nowadays there are more non-free societies and less non-free societies. Historically there were even less non-free, more laissez-faire societies. Since more free societies are possible and there are no laws of nature forbidding a truly redistribution-free society, one may have existed or may exist in future. Consider that virtually every society with a recorded history that we currently know of had a concept of private property and strived to protect that property, if possible.
Second of all, are you suggesting that we should not strive to eliminate rape, since all societies are not rape-free? Why then shouldn't we strove to remove theft, which non-voluntary redistribution is? It's like in your world we have no ideals to follow!
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>>52822638
Gold was not useless before industrial ere. You said yourselfthst jewelry was made from it. People wearing jewelry seemed prettier, so jewelry gained value.
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>>52823155
> First of all
> Currently
Okay, historically what is your example of a society that did not feature non-voluntary redistribution of wealth?

> Even nowadays there are more non-free societies and less non-free societies.
Okay, so now you're willing to admit that there can be a spectrum rather than just proclaiming everything to be communism. That's good. But can you actually show that eliminating things such as taxation and the public services they fund would actually improve it?

> Consider that virtually every society with a recorded history that we currently know of had a concept of private property and strived to protect that property, if possible.
Consider that practically all of those societies also contained the idea of paying taxes.

> Second of all, are you suggesting that we should not strive to eliminate rape, since all societies are not rape-free?
No, because having a society that has public services funded through taxes is not rape. We should strive to eliminate rape because allowing it would be harmful. You have yet to demonstrate that all the public services that you wish to eliminate are similarly harmful.
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>>52821155
Failed in that you had to replace it with something else. Like how a communist dictatorship fails and has to be replaced with, say, democracy.

Or is this one of those "socialism works, we just haven't actual tried it" things but in reverse, as in "this very specific type of democracy doesn't work and any other democracy is not really democracy"?
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>>52816439
>HURB DURF
>GOBBUNISB
Listen here fucko, I'm 30 and you antifa scum are the real problem in our generation. I hate the Boomer,s but I hate them for their '68, relativism, modernism, pomo bullshit, not for maintaining capitalism. Capitalism is great and always has been the best and only way forward, the problem isn't the wealthy boomers at all but the ones who sold us out and hope to continue to sell us out so they can get gibsmedats off our labor when they're old through redistributive pension plans. The rich pay for themselves, these fuckos are the ones who need to be pushed off a cliff.

The ones who are exactly like older versions of you.
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>>52823386
>Okay, historically what is your example of a society that did not feature non-voluntary redistribution of wealth?
http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html#part17

>Okay, so now you're willing to admit that there can be a spectrum rather than just proclaiming everything to be communism.
All non-free societies are communism, Anon.

>But can you actually show that eliminating things such as taxation and the public services they fund would actually improve it?
I shall refer you to all the works written by Rothbard, von Mises and Hayek, where they describe in detail the exact improvements that would follow from removal of government-mandated theft of my property.

>You have yet to demonstrate that all the public services that you wish to eliminate are similarly harmful.
Simple: I do not use any of the services provided by the government. My healthcare and education are provided by private companies, I never call the police, instead using a gun, I have a well and utilize my own garbage, I have have solar batteries and wind turbines installed, I don't use public roads because I have my own helicopter.
And yet, I have to "pay" an income tax. Not only that: my income is greater than about 70% of people in my country, so the amount of tax stolen from me is also greater than of those 70% people. Yet the government is offering me the same services as everyone else. Even if I used government-provided services, why should I pay more for them?
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>>52816439
>Millenials realize how fucked the world is right now

How fucked is it? Like cold war finger on the button fucked? Like oil crisis fucked? Like drug epidemic fucked? Like 90's depression fucked? Like Middle Eastern terrorism fucked? What levels of fucked are we talking here?

>does anyone really need

So, chairman, what is the appropriate amount that one 'needs'? Because for a modern western person with housing, running water, electricity, internet and steady income, you're in the top tier when it comes to things globally. So some dude somewhere is looking at you and thinking "does he really need all that crap?" And the dude in the 10 million dollar boat look at the dude in the 100 million dollar boat and thinks "does he really need that?" And the dude at the very top looks at everyone beneath him and thinks "do I really need them?"
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>>52824239
If you haven't already hired enough lawyers to reduce your taxes to virtually nothing, I don't believe you commute with a helicopter.
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>>52818852
>(You)
>family friendly
>gaydar, lesbians, slavery, implied rape
>also somehow people are talking about millenials and boomers and what the fuck ever else
Wow I'm glad I tuned out of this thread. I came back since I thought it must have tits if it was still going.
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>>52824251
I'd say middle eastern terrorism has leveled up to rampant civil war/ISIS, and cold war 2 may or may not be on the horizon
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>>52824302
you can buy el cheapo 1 person old used heli for $10000
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>>52824390
Yeah, but where do you go with it? Unless there's helipads at your destination, you'll just fly laps around your house.
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>>52824390
ancap soon, stalker: http://rotorfx.com/aircraft_services/mosquito_helicopter_sales/
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>>52824239
>http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html#part17
Your ideal societies are medieval Ireland and the American wild west? Thanks, but I'll pass.
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>>52824544
never said they were ideal, just that they were not communists that steal your hard-earned money
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>>52824598
> wild west
> no people that steal your hard-earned money
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>>52824598
Okay, so if they're your example of what you get when you finally ditch communism (which is apparently almost all of human society through recorded history by your definition) is medieval Ireland... why exactly do we want to go back to that? What does such a society do better? Is its standard of living higher? Is its poverty rate lower? Does it have a longer life expectancy or a lower infant mortality rate? Why should we want to be like medieval Ireland?
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>>52824616
>unable to see difference between a private thieving operation and a government-sponsored one
protip: it's about the amount of force thrown against you
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>>52824737
>implying he means actually going back to technology level of medieval ireland
Anon, just leave.
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>>52824598
Yeah, and all of them either were a part of a larger entity that did tax people, or were conquered by an entity that did tax people. In some cases both.

Anarcho-capitalism has no mechanism to preserve itself in the face of such a threat. It always must either rely on the charity of a larger nation or it will eventually be absorbed by a larger nation. So your society either requires the very thing you're trying to reject in order to prop it up, or it has a very limited lifespan.
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>>52824815
>also implying you could even compare medieval ireland to modern world
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>>52824815
Anarcho-capitalist societies have thus far been unable to demonstrate that they can maintain a level of technological development anywhere near a modern developed nation. Why do you think that it wouldn't involve regressing technologically in the absence of the infrastructure that made such development possible?
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>>52824773
If the result is the same in both cases, exactly who is doing the robbing doesn't really matter.
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