MTG Modern General

>>52799243
No
Nothing
Nada
No

>>52799243
>Are you going to the Vegas GP?
Nah, but I'm lending a buddy my Bant Eldrazi deck for it.
>Building?
I don't have much cash right now so I'm very slowly building burn with store credit I'm winning at FNM's. I'm thinking I might switch to building Naya Zoo though as the only expensive cards I still need for it are 3 Goblin Guide, 2 Arid mesa, and however many Atarka's Command it runs.
>Hating?
Nothing really. I'm pretty happy with the current meta.
>Brewing?
I brewed a memey mono-walls list that I've been having some fun with, but it's nothing serious.

>>52799243
No
Redoing my manabase for eternal command now that no one is playing blood moon anymore. All these basics are killing me.
Still hate tron
I'll probably revisit my sideboard for eternal command too. A bit annoyed none of the cyclers were any good.

Are Skyspawner and Drowner really that good for Bant Eldrazi?

I would very much like access to Abupt Decay.

>>52799664
Unfortunately, drowner is a great finisher and noble taps for exactly what you need.

Wasteland strangler would be fun to run, though.

>>52799664
I'm sure abzan blink could work. Eldrazi displacer is the all star anyway

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>Can't fly like literally every other spirit
>His invocation doesn't give hexproof
>Can't fistfight a bear without dying
>Has to have his woman do all the work for him
Why is he such a loser, tg?

>>52799736
If you don't have a clear path to swing in with geist, you shouldn't play him yet.

>>52799736
pretty much every kamigawa spirit can't fly either

>>52799736
#NotAllSpirits

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Do I just buy Grixis Control right now?

>>52799877
Can you afford it?

>>52799895

Yea. Do you think Snapcasters and Scalding Tarns are going to go any lower than they already are?

>>52799902
Snappy is a no. Tarns are also a no unless Wizards goes crazy and reprints the enemy fetches that no company on Earth can.

>>52799902
>check the price of snaps
>they're more expensive now, after a recent reprint, than they were before the reprint

Blue-fags are truly the worst.

>>52799929
woah

so this is the power

of making blue relevant again

>>52799922

The buylist price for Snap is $20, I don't think it can hold it's $40 pricetag.

>>52799936
It's because of the same, stupid reason tarns are $10+ more expensive than the other enemy fetches already: blue-fags will eat up their shit cards at any price as long as there is some hype behind them.

>>52799958
Have you checked the buy list price of other cards? Most shops won't give you more than 40% of its actual price

Who here autistic?
>be me
>go to FNM
>playing Eldrazi Tron
>Everytime I play Thought Knot I screech
"HA HA THOUGHT NOT"
>Whenever I play Reality Smasher I immediately swing and say
"OHHH YEAH"
> like he's the god damn Kool Aid man
>I slap down a ulamog and then scream
"here comes a big ula!"
>after I'm done I mutter my catchphrase
"Nothing personal bub, I just love controlling the board with my big fatties"

Almost done foiling and getting masterpieces of what I can for this deck.
Might get some bling to wear along with it

>>52799974
3/10 good effort

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>>52799974
>not a single spaghetti and meatballs joke

4/10 it's okay

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>>52799974

>>52799974

I see what you're doing but its too over the top.

>>52800044
Stop forcing this.

>>52799974

I had some fag sperg out on me in a tournament like that.

I was playing Modern, Bant Eldrazi vs Jund, my opponent casts Inquisition of Kozilek and tries to select my Thought Knot Seer and says "You thought so but I thought not!."

His embarrassment when he realized that he couldn't take TKS with IoK was palpable. My buddies and I still fuck with him about this when we see him.

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Why is nobody running this based card right here. Harpooner is cool too.

>>52800112
>3 mana creature

Unplayable outside ramp strategies.

>>52800112
Harpooner is shit. I tried it in an eldritch evolution shell and 9/10 banisher priest was better

>>52800155
she's better with CoCo, but basically yeah priest is more reliable but with the whole oring thing going on

>>52800144
>not running birds in the year 2017

>>52800044
>Ban Bolt, Path, Thoughtseize
>When they should be reprinted as common/uncommon as much as needed to drive their price into the ground
Truly the memest meme in modern general

>>52800112
Excuse me but this is the Modern General.
Don't talk to me about cards ever again.

>>52800215
But bolt IS common.

>>52800268
Hey man, if we're going to keep core sets dead, we need something else that dumps Modern staples out and keeps the price suppressed.

$10 for a playset of Bolts is odd with all the reprints it has already received.

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>>52800268
Not anymore
2.5 bucks is too much for the staplest red staple

>>52800318
>2.5 bucks is too much

MtG isn't for you.

>>52800328
There is acceptable barrier to entry, and then there are questionable barriers.

Kind of like MTGO costing $10 for the privilege of installing the client and opening the starter box full of bulk cards.

>>52800328
You forgot some words
Half the words of the sentence
The most important words in the sentence

I have no problem with paying 200 for a playset of Karn

>>52800351
tron players deserved to be taxed for their sins. $500 per karn soon.

>>52800341
I bought my playset of bolts for 1 australian dollar each and that was cheap as fuck. You want to talk about price of cards, come talk when your boxes of modern masters are $300+ each.

Imprison Karn when.

>>52800361
Change Karn to Tarmogoyf and 200 to 320, my point still stands (even if Goyf should be less than 80/piece)

Tron is great

>>52800368
Sometimes I wish the Holocaust was real.

Then there wouldn't be all these jews around who try to divide us on silly issues like whose cards cost the most. Excessive prices on certain cards and certain sets only does the corporate CEOs any good.

>>52800401
>secondhand market
>corporate CEOs
sure thing bud

>>52800401
>Sometimes I wish the Holocaust was real
It was real.
But you're right about the prices of some (most?) cards being excessive

>>52800420
StarCity is part of the second hand market, Anon

>Reprint stuff
>Prices don't go down

Any other hobbies worth buying into?

>>52800550
As long as you have fun, any hobby is worth buying into

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>>52800550
If prices aren't going down, that makes investing a very safe hobby.

Make a budget aggro gobs and i'm having a blast in mtgo.

>Mana leak
>serum visions
>mana leak

I still beat most blues who waste their mana leaks on my weak sacs / token creation.

Swinging wide > swinging strong.

I kind of want to make a troll super defensive / life gain.

>>52800215
But a ban would drive prices to the ground as well

>>52800626
The goal is to make them affordable for people that want to PLAY them

>>52800564
And if investing is safe, the situation escalates VERY fast.

>>52799243
>Are you going to the Vegas GP?
Nope, I don't make enough money to justify taking time off work to go flying to Vegas. Anything farther than Montreal is to far ror me.
>Building?
Affinity. All I need are ravagers and some spicy sideboard shit
>Hating?
Getting surgically extracted on turn 1

>>52799877
Build Grixis Shadow instead. It's actually good unlike control.

>>52800044
Still missing "Free Skullclamp"

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What is a good way to fight the super high control blue decks?

Also what would be a nice budget deck to troll my buddies super aggro warrior deck that ends with him using the coward ability on Boldwyr and tapping all of my creatures from blocking.

I want to run Notion Thief and Geier Reach Sanitarium in a control deck.

>>52800774
>What is a good way to fight the super high control blue decks?
This is a thread for competitive Modern play. A question like that shouldn't even be being asked here owing to how control barely exists at high levels.

>>52800774
At least put effort into your bait, anon.

>>52800794
>>52800808
"MTG Modern General" Not "MTG top 8 only"

>>52800823
If you're not pushing the format, what's the point of playing within the confines of the format?

>>52800825

>MTGO or paper is only a competitive tournament playing format.
This isn't standard, anonkun.

>>52800838
You didn't answer the question. Why are you conforming to the restrictions of the Modern format if you're playing casually?

>>52800774
>Boldwyr intimidator

Nigga that shit costs 7 fucking mana. If you fuck up hard enough that your opponent can actually cast that garbage you don't deserve to win.
Build fucking mono green stompy

>>52800825
>>52800855
>that one fucking guy who runs a deck that's 93% Modern legal except for the full playset of Umezawa's Jitte

The damage gymnastics guy is cool however.

>>52800774

Any fast aggro deck makes autists sweat.

>>52800774
Loxodon Smiter.

Do you even play this game?

>>52800774
Burn decks. They'll run out of counters long before you run out of burn.

>>52800855
Maybe people like to play within the confines of moderns rules. Me and my friends play modern casually all time. Too much broken shit in the legacy/vintage formats and nobody has time for edh's long ass matches.

>modern is only for super serious competitive players
>meanwhile the threads are always full of shitbrews and stupid questions
Not that I would have it any other way.

What if I made a modern deck with pauper rules?

>>52801453
What if you killed yourself?

Complete newfag here who's only played kitchen table with friends. How competitive are most FNMs? My only deck is mono-green wurm ramp, but if it's just highly refined meta deck stomping grounds I'd rather not go.

I don't even know if this is the right MtG thread to ask this.

>>52801677
It really depends on where you live. My local meta is a bunch of fucking meme lords who play competitive decks poorly. Other stores are full of poorfag autists who play with dual decks.

>>52801706
Guess I'll just have to find out myself then. I doubt even the strongest deck can survive my wurm combos!

>>52801677
Just build Kithkin tribal. It's cheap, so no chinamen fakes are needed, and it's only bad matchup currently is Living End, which unfortunately got better thanks to new Cycling additions from Amonkhet.

>>52801721
Post your list faggot. I want to laugh at you.

>>52801759
The new cyclers are shit.

>>52801858
t. Someone who has never touched the deck.

>>52801904
t. Shit player

>>52802207
t. Desolator "I go 0-5 at every FNM" Magic

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>>52799243

>Lantern

>>52799974
You are right but you need to be a little more subtle. Here's a (You) for good effort, don't spend it all in one place.

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Does this card have a deck?

>>52801357

when the header had a lot of $$$$$ in there we got many less shitposting and shitbrews

I could live without the shitposting and the stupid questions but shitbrews are cool, we can't have everything

>>52802387
Yes, in the SB of any deck that is red

>>52802265
Ban 8th edition the deck is bullshit and I'm glad Does is the only one to speak up against it.

>>52802435

Just ban ensnaring bridge and I'll be happy

>>52802435
>Ban 8th edition
>In Modern, you can play all cards with the 8th edition border except for the 350 cards of the 8th edition

>>52802548
It has too many bullshit, unfun, archaic cards that don't belong in the game

The set is cancer and so are you if you play anything from it. That goes for 9th too

>>52802599
I don't care what you think
This wave of "Ban 8th and 9th edition!" is just a fad
It didn't exist a few months ago and won't exist in a few months
This fad will not come back either because Modern will be dead before that

>>52802694
A few months ago nobody played bullshit, unfun cards like Ensnaring bridge that prevent the game from being played.

>>52802715
Lantern Control existed before that fad
At the time, it was just "Ban Lantern"
Also, Lantern is a pretty imaginative deck, banning it would reduce diversity

>>52800774
>troll my buddies super aggro warrior deck that ends with him using the coward ability on Boldwyr

>aggro
>Boldwyr intimidator

Mm, I have a hard time believing this. Aggro isn't just "play creatures and attack", it's about speed/fairness compared to the rest of the format. If it plays fair cards and wins with damage before turn 4, 9 times out of 10 it's aggro (or its infect which rides a pretty interesting line between aggro and combo). I doubt your Boldwyr intimidator buddy's deck meets that criteria, you can probably beat the fuck out of him with cheap good cards like nacatl/bolt/lava spike/experiment one/atarkas command (less cheap)/whatever.

You post like you play modern only in definition and are unfamiliar with the competitive meta and what cards need to be good.

>>52802744
I don't see a problem with banning in interactive bullshit decks that keep the game from being played.

"Oops I goldfished my lock gg haha"
"Oops I stripped your hand and then dig for my lock haha""

Deck needs a ban it's fucking cancer.

>>52802770
Lantern Control is interacting with your library.

>>52802821
Not interacting with actually playing the game and therefore it's uninteractive

>>52802770
Decks should only get a banning if they are actually causing a problem, not just if some people don't like them.

Lantern Control is not a problem.

>>52802821

You know, the thing about lantern that gets me is that the shuffle is built in. Unless you hit your ancient grudge early on and make him sac his only lantern before he has academy ruins, even if you have cards which are online from the graveyard like loam, they can just make you not mill it and shuffle you instead and it's pretty stupid

>>52802864
I wish more people viewed things this way. Nothing is a problem right now.

>>52802387
RW Hatebears

Creature (30)
4x Birds of Paradise
4x Devoted Druid
3x Duskwatch Recruiter Flip
2x Eternal Witness
1x Fiend Hunter
3x Kitchen Finks
1x Knight of the Reliquary
1x Magus of the Moon
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Spellskite
1x Viscera Seer
4x Vizier of Remedies
2x Voice of Resurgence
1x Walking Ballista
Land (22)
4x Forest
1x Gavony Township
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Kessig Wolf Run
1x Overgrown Tomb
1x Plains
1x Razorverge Thicket
1x Stomping Ground
3x Temple Garden
4x Windswept Heath
4x Wooded Foothills
Instant (8)
4x Chord of Calling
4x Collected Company
Rate hate and appreciate desu, this is the list that is working for me

>>52802920
This
My only problem with Modern right now is goodstuff.dec, but we can't really do something against those

>>52800550
Let's go play pauper, anon.

>>52800550
Prices did go down though. I picked up some staples cheap.

Is it safe to buy into Baral Storm right about now?

>>52803117
Never safe to buy into Storm.

>>52803137
I figured, but it seemed like the current state of the deck means it doesn't break the turn 4 rule, can't Wizards just give it a break already?

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I hope you guys picked up your playset. Unbanning is only 4 days away

>>52803310
what would this mean for the meta?

>>52803310
Preordain and this are getting unbanned I'm Mark Rosewater Goyim

>>52803310
But my deck has no creatures

>>52803310
Even if it were to be unbanned I wouldn't care because I'm not a jew and I don't play bad decks

>>52800368
I bought my bolts for five cents each Bach during time spiral. Fished them out of the bulk bin. Always seems crazy to me how expensive everything has gotten since then.

>>52803344
>junk
>bad
This makes Abzan even better since souls tokens carry swords well and batter skull.

>>52803318
A new deck, but Jace would still be banned so no Caw Blade.

>>52803359
>playing memerange
Lol I would rather drink bleach

>>52803362
is JTMS even all that OP for the current meta anyways?

>>52803468
Well he is 4 cmc, so there's that going against him.

>>52802959
goodstuff decks are the epitomy of unimaginative laziness, if a number of nonsynergystic and just plain powrful cards is competetive there is a real problem. however these decks will only get stronger as the cardpool expands, especially considering the cards are not balanced for modern but for standard.

>>52801762
I was at work, here you go

26 forest

4 arbor elf
4 elvish mystic
2 Pellaka wurm
2 plated Slagwurm
2 Engulfing Slagwurm
2 Elderscale Wurm
2 world spine wurm
2 Witherscale Wurm

2 wild pair
2 lure

2 overwhelming stampede
4 rampant growth
4 Kodama's Reach
4 cultivate
2 rabid bite
4 fog

I plan to add 2 sandwurm convergence and 4 rancor

>>52803602
kwisatz haderach/10

>>52803551
Literally every format has goodstuff. For you to say goodstuff decks are a problem really makes me glad you don't work for wizards.

>>52803551
Goodstuff decks have an inherent advantage over more synergistic decks in that they can't draw their cards in the wrong order. That is pretty significant.

>>52802548
>Or conspiracy
>Or conspiracy 2
>Or commander
>Or archenemy
>Or
You get the idea

>>52803652
They are not a "problem" in themselves, they are unimaginative. I'm not talking about the amount of thinking needed to pilot them, I'm talking about how the deck works in the first place
Jund and Abzan are unimaginative decks
Lantern and Tron are imaginative decks

>>52803711
Now you're just playing dumb
You know exactly what I meant

>>52803465
>I would rather play my special snowflake tier 17 combo deck than a real deck
Please do drink bleach

>>52803717
>tron
>get my lands online and slam high cost colorless cards is imaginative
Just because treefolk tribal isn't good doesn't mean you should be upset at midrange decks, anon

>>52803766
>t. someone who didn't read the post he answers to

What do you guys think of my deck?
8 LANDS
1 Island
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
29 INSTANTS and SORC.
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Force of Will
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mind's Desire
4 Paradoxical Outcome
1 Ponder
2 Preordain
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Tinker
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Windfall
1 Yawgmoth's Will
23 OTHER SPELLS
1 Black Lotus
1 Chalice of the Void
2 Chrome Mox
1 Defense Grid
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Grim Monolith
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Memory Jar
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
4 Mox Opal
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring

>>52803823
>4 Mox opal
I fuxking told you fags it was a vintage level card and you didn't listen

/tg/ btfo once again and proven to be bad at magic.

>>52803823
WHat the fuck is that? A pile of the most expensive cards in MtG?
>No Tarmogoyf
>No Liliana of the Veil
Well...

Go back to Vintage general then

Anyone else playing Mardu Death's Shadow?
I've been having fun with it, running that guys list
Land (18)
4x Arid Mesa
2x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Godless Shrine
3x Marsh Flats
1x Mountain
2x Sacred Foundry
1x Swamp
Creature (12)
4x Bedlam Reveler
4x Death's Shadow
4x Street Wraith
Instant (14)
2x Kolaghan's Command
3x Lightning Bolt
4x Manamorphose
2x Path to Exile
3x Terminate
Sorcery (16)
2x Collective Brutality
4x Faithless Looting
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Lingering Souls
4x Thoughtseize
Took it to WNM yesterday and 4-0d, anyone else have any experience with it?

>>52803756
>Burn and affinity are tier 17 combo

>>52803997
>no baubles

>>52803997
Even with Death's shadow mardu is still trash lmao

>>52803756

hey man flame jab worldfire does things for me that other decks don't come close to okay? it's just so elegant

>>52804040
>flame jab worldfire
Holy mother of burn, that's hilarious

WHERE IS PYHERIXA 2.0 SET

What do people think of U/W Control vs Esper Control vs Grixis Control?
>inb4 lel Control in Modern

>>52803823
>running singletons

lmao poorfag detected

Why is Black/white so shit?
On a conceptual level they synergies so well but in practice it's nothing but blind luck

>>52804173
Next april set

>>52804219
Depends on what you mean by B/W. Are you talking about tokens or life-shenanigans?

>>52804019
>bauble with no goyf or traverse
where's the punchline

>>52800062
>t. Ban Mox Opal shitposter

What ban could hurt JDS without killing it? I think the deck could use a nerf but I don't think that abruptly deleting it would be that good for the format.

>>52804324
People who think Mox Opal is broken right now don't know what they are talking about.

>>52804340
Mishra's Bauble, Street Wraith.

>>52804340
The best way to hurt DSJ isn't by banning one of the fair cards that make up the deck it's by unbanning something.

>>52804173
Never hopefully

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>>52804372
I can haz plz?

>>52804415
Go back to the cuck shed where you belong affinity.

I meant something fair like SFM or JtMS or possibly preordain.

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>>52804445
I just want to help. Give me a chance senpai!

>>52804445
>something fair
>SFM or JtMS
I can understand wanting a Twin or Pod unban but those cards are bad for the format.
>>52804354
>Street Wraith
don't touch Living End, it's a good meme deck that never hurt anybody

>>52804474
You can have the black one but it's restricted to one copy.

Deal?

>>52804490
How would JTMS or SFM be harmful?

>>52804490
Jace comes down way too late to be oppressive and blue still arguably bad even with him. SFM is fine in a format without jitte and lots of k command.

How can you call those cards unfair but want pod back?

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>>52804493
I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. Pic related.

Real talk though: The artifact lands really are busted. Even Darksteel Citadel is pushing it.

>>52804514
I never said I want Pod back, i'm just saying that I can understand people wanting it back. The problem is that both of those cards are extremely polarizing. I know Jace wouldn't be too oppressive, it just makes the late game even more hellish against control. If you want to bring back the archetype give it some better means to survive the early game, and encouraging the snorefest after turn 4-5 is exactly the reason why Wizards doesn't support control. SFM would simply make the format way more midrange-y.

>>52804039
Thanks!

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>>52804192
Esper all day baby

>>52803551
>nonsynergistic
It's always bugged me how Jund runs both Tarmogoyf and Scavenging Ooze, I guess you just eat stuff that doesn't shrink your Goyf but it still weirds me out how these two cards that are literally the opposite in function are usually played in conjunction

>>52805073
It's never an issue

>>52799968
or it's that blue decks almost always need snapcasters as a control card, and fetch/shock combo is a requirement in modern

How consitent is coloring in print runs? I just ordered a playset of goblin guides (zendikar) and the color is slightly darker than the color of other red card (e.g. Swiftspear). However some of my mountains are the same slightly darker red and i have a playset of keldon marauders where three of them are brighter but one of them is the same darker red (all eng.)

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How effective is Relic against DSJ?

>>52805569
well you can shrink their goyfs the same as any other green deck but it does nothing against the namesake itself

>>52805624
It also turns off delirium.

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>>52804445

>I meant something
>JtMS
>preordain.

>>52804197
I laughed 6/10

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>>52804054

it's pretty awesome, you have to jump through hoops to do it though and it's really not worth the effort if you're super spiky, but it's just so visceral especially on xmage where you have to watch it resolve step by step if they just don't scoop

Do people really think SFM has a chance at being unbanned? MAYBE if they swap banned Batterskull because both of them together are Legacy level.

>>52805073

scavenging ooze eats two things, creatures after the first one (or even down to 0 in the case of dredge), and cards that will give the opponent more value than +1/+1 on goyf. if you have a goyf and a scooze on board and your opponent dumps lingering souls, you probably swing in with goyf and exile it in your second main. or you exile their loam or their cycling mindslaver for example. because consider that most of the time if you're exiling something not for scooze value, it's probably severely hindering your opponent in some way, like exiling bauble to turn off delirium.

Why don't I see more Jace, Vryn's Prodigy in delver lists? He seems to checkmark everything important in modern

>Costs 3 or less
>Generates crazy value

>>52806125

I don't really know what I'd remove to put him in

>>52806146

That's a shame, I feel like we're getting closer and closer to a solved Modern.

>>52806125
Feel like he's too slow to even be considered additional snap copies

>>52806170
If you solve Modern, you get a ban. Then it's unsolved again.

>>52806170

I mean, I like the card, it's easy to flip when it comes out and I'm sure that it has a list for him, but I'd end up using it just as a fifth, slower snapcaster

>>52806125

>implying that's the checklist

the issue with him is that his value is situational, Bob gets played because he gives you a card every turn no strings attached, this guy isn't ever guaranteed to be card positive and has multiple hoops to jump through. he's also blue.

the real checklist is basically

>doesnt die to bolt (and more strictly recently, push) (tasigur, fish, chimps, sorta goyf, etc)
OR
>gives you their value the turn they resolve in the form of haste or (more powerful) etb effects, making them tempo positive against the aforementioned cards (finks, silvergill adept, siege rhino, bloodbraid elf (both), Huntmaster of the fells, etc etc)
OR
>is a mandatory threat on resolution forcing removal, allowing you to keep them on the back foot or giving you large advantage if left unanswered (goyf, bob, kiln fiend, delver, nacatl, birds etc)

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I need help with this deck:

Planeswalkers:
Lili x 4

Sorcery:
Inquisition of kozilek x 4
Thoughtseize x 4
Raven's crime x 4
Wrenchmind x 4

Instant:
Path to exile x 3
Pact of massacre x 1
Fatal push x 2

Artifact:
The rack x 4
Ensnaring bridge x 4

Enchantment:
Shrieking affliction x 4

Lands:
Swamp x 7
Plains x 1
Godless shrine x 2
Urborg, tomb of yawgmoth x 4
Marsh flats x 4
Mutavault x 4

Sideboard:
Surgical extraction x 4
Orb of torpor x 3
Leyline of sanctity x 4
Fragmentize x 4

I was thinking about taking fatal push and one Wrenchmind out and adding three copies of Collective Brutality. Also maybe Blinkmoth nexus works better in this deck than mutavault.

>>52806308
you don't compare jace to bob you compare him to snap, and even then he doesn't compare favorably to snap

>>52806170
>this mediocre card doesn't fit into lists
>modern is solved
Lmao

Why is goblin grenade so good?

>>52806387
Cause ur deck is shit

>>52806308
Not delver specific, but also:
OR
>is as efficient or better compared to the removal (i.e. 0 and 1 cmc creatures, token generators)

>>52806392
It is THE shit maybe. At my lgs I love killing people with it.

>iconic masters
More like ironic memesters lmao

>>52806355

Wtf no, snap is an instant and gives you immediate value on resolution, he fits the second category. jace doesn't pass any test and needs to survive a turn and might not flip and doesn't even give you card advantage if he taps. there isn't even any comparison, he compares better to bob who also is vulnerable to removal after an untap but gives you instant value by surviving that turn.

>>52806406
I'd say it's one of the best cards for a goblin sligh (which is what modern goblis is anyway). If they reprinted reckless abandon I'd add one copy just to have 5 grenades.

>>52806403

that's true, i would call it
>Is tempo positive or neutral vs 1cmc removal
and the more boxes the creature ticks the better. So in the case of memnite, it isn't an immediate threat but it's tempo positive, and in the case of birds and nacatl and delver and etc, they're tempo neutral threats which tick boxes 3 and 4. kiln fiend and blighted agent and a number of other threats are tempo negative but effectively win the game if left unanswered, so they see play in narrow archetypes.

>>52804505
Turn 3 batterskull, how is that bad?

>>52806615
>implying turn 3 batterskull is any better than turn 3 thought knot
Lel, do people even play stoneblade in legacy anymore?

>>52806125
tapping two mana to do nothing for two full upkeeps is a good way to get killed in delver
i also don't see what crazy value you're talking about
delver would sooner play last hope lili

>>52806309
i think grafdigger's cage is better than the second and third torpor orbs

>>52806615
>Turn 3 batterskull

Have you ever even read the card batterskull?

Do you even know what it does without googling it?

>>52804340
unbanning SFM

How do I into modern MTGO competitive?

>>52806788
Do people still use torpor orb in Modern SBs? It used to be essential, but I haven't seen it in quite a while.

>>52806888
Copy the best rated deck online.

>>52806888
Don't, it's gonna be obsolete soon.

>>52806936
Magic Digital Next when?

If it's Windows only, I'm killing somebody

>>52806955
What is that?

>>52806936
What is?

>>52807016
WotC wants Modern to die.
Standard and Draft is the only competitive formats you are allowed to play.

>>52806631

let's take a look at the cards

>comes down on t3, sometimes t2, which is often interactable for a turn except for 2x eldrazi land
>Temporarily 1 card positive until removed, information and disruption
>threatens 4 damage a turn
>dodges bolt and nonrevolt push

>comes down t2, no strings attached. immediate 1 card positive, no strings attached.
>threatens 2 damage or 1 permanent value per turn, threatening an 8 life swing and itself passing bolt and push and even path

fact of the matter is stoneforge has no deckbuilding restrictions except for at least one copy of batterskull. a thought knot requires like 6 dorks in the deck to be t3 consistent, and both stoneforge and thought knot have an 8 life net difference by t4.

It's a shit comparison desu

>>52807016
It's the codename for whatever is going to replace the embarrassment that is mtgo.

>>52807054
It's a pretty nice set up for me and works well.

What exactly is this new program going to do?

As long as I keep my current cards I don't care but if they try to wipe my board i'm gonna rage.

>>52807051
>MM2017 released not long ago
>multiple Modern GPs still to go this year
>World Magic Cup is Team Modern
This meme is what needs to die.

>>52807054
Not exactly. Its the umbrella code term for all of WotC's new digital products, which includes either a massive update or outright replacement of MTGO.

>>52807111
It's still unclear exactly what they will do, but I highly doubt they will just scrap everyone's online collections for fear of a gigantic class-action lawsuit. Your money is safe, at least.

>>52806908

no twin my friend

>>52807051
>Standard
Ugh. Hated it since I started to play when legions was released.

>>52806788
Oh yeah twin is dead and chingchong mage isn't that much of a threat with cage in play.
Maybe Tormod's crypt against goyf too? Though ensnaring bridge and the creature hate usually takes care of it.

>>52807244
That's why I'm asking. It seems like Cage is just better except for things like Valakut and Amulet Titan.

>>52807330
>chingchong mage isn't that much of a threat with cage in play
He has a 2/1, you have a Torpor Orb. Who wins? He does.

>>52807330

you spent a whole card dealing with half a threat lol

>>52807381
Not the guy you replied to, but did you read that post?

He has a 2/1 that cost him 2 mana and did nothing because you spent 1 mana on cage.

>>52807440
I read the post, the issue is the post was written by someone who doesn't understand why Snapcaster Mage is so good. Unless you counter it, your opponent beats you on value.

I don't know if you realise this or not, but a 2/1 body will kill someone faster than a Grafdigger's Cage will.

>>52807440

>2/1
>did nothing
>deals 2 damage per turn

no, you played a brick to reduce his great creature to just a creature. if you topdeck torpor orb and he topdecks a snap he's still in for more than you are.

>>52807466
That assumes the person with Cage isn't doing anything else, which is a strange assumption.
>>52807471
Why do people keep saying torpor orb when we are talking about cage?

>>52807524

whatever, same shit, cage is 1 less, both only half neutralise snap. i'm baked.

>>52807524
>That assumes the person with Cage isn't doing anything else, which is a strange assumption
No it doesn't, it's just raw fact. You have Cage, he has a 2/1. He has the upper hand. All you did was turn Snapcaster into a 1-for-1 rather than a 2-for-1, except you spent a whole draw step doing it. Claiming that it's fine because you have other cards in your hand is retarded because your opponent does too. You NEVER bring in do-nothing graveyard hate against Snapcaster, because it will lose you the game. Something like Scavenging Ooze I can agree with because it does more than just hate the yard because it's a creature.

>>52801453
>giving up the opportunity to play a slow, affordable version of Legacy because you want to play a slow version of Modern

why?

>>52801453

You'd get izzet blitz

>>52800550

design your own card game. put them on thin pieces of chocolate or crackers so you can pack wars them and eat them. you're welcome.

>>52807626
Turns out a 1 mana 3/2 with flying is really good in a format of commons.

>>52807524
you know nobody ever makes the statement "snap is bad because it dies to bolt"

>>52807573
I see, thanks.
Anyway I have Leyline of sanctity in the sideboard now that I think about it.

>>52803551
Goodstuff decks are fine, you sound salty

>>52807717
Yeah, because it has a powerful ETB effect. It's crap without that.

>>52804595
Wizards doesn't support control because timmy doesn't like it when his creatures are countered/killed.

>>52807749
If goodstuff decks are fine, why did Deathrite Shaman get banned? It was in Jund, and Jund is just a fair deck right? Why ban a fair card? Could it be that other cards in the deck could also be a bit much? DSJ is just a fair deck too right?

>>52803551
>powerful cards being competetive there is a real problem.
Wow, who would have thought that if you jam a bunch of cards that are better than most others in a single deck they'd be good?
That can't be possible to have so many plain powerful cards in a single deck. That's just not a healthy format!

Oh wait, there will always be goodstuff decks because that's how card games work.

>>52807807
This is just raw unadultered bait at this point.

>>52807821
Because DRS was unfair. It was graveyard hate, a dork, and a life swing all in one card for 1 mana.

Why would you even try to make that part of your argument?

>>52807052
>dodges push

You can push the fucking token you mong, if you really can't just destroy the batterskull for whatever reason.

>>52807865
If by "bait" you mean "fact", then sure. A 2/1 for 2 in Modern is unplayable, flash or no flash.

>>52807878
>Because DRS was unfair. It was graveyard hate, a dork, and a life swing all in one card for 1 mana.
And a 7/8 for 2 mana is perfectly fair.

>>52807904
A 2/1 for 2 is perfectly playable when it basically makes your opponent discard a card and pay a mana when it enters, since that's basically what you've done by pissing a Cage down the drain.

>>52807821
DSJ is totally fair aside from Deaths shadow, actually.

And it was only a matter of time before DS found its way into every black deck. Hell, DSJ isn't even the problem anymore. You have Deaths Shadow decks in nearly every wedge possible now.

Just ban DS. Twin was banned because the combo ended up in every deck that could jam UR, why is Deaths Shadow different?

>>52807821
>why was, arguably, the best creature ever printed banned in a format it was too powerful for?

I fucking wonder

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>>52807807
>i spent one card making sure that snapcaster is a 2/1
>i then spent a second card to remove that 2/1
>that's show them

>>52807926
You keep telling yourself that while I keep running over snapcaster decks.

>>52807926
You can't compare a vanilla 7/8 to a creature that naturally hoses other decks and accelerates yourself while also being a solid finisher.
Goyf is good, DRS is fucking busted
A 7/8 that dies to every conceivable removal outside of bolt yeah. And to get it to 7/8 requires building around it.

There's your synergy.

>>52807946
>removing that 2/1
Not necessary.

>>52807967
>Making Goyf large requires building around it
Oh my sweet summer child.

>>52799243
>Going to Vegas GP?
Nah unfortunately, I'm going to the Amonkhet prerelease though
>Building?
Working on Boros burn, trying to find a way to fit harsh mentor in it.
>Hating?
Nothing about the game really, I'm a little pissed at wizards for taking modern out of pro worlds again.
>Brewing?
Working on a crusader deck. Nothing too serious but still pretty fun

>>52807996
Instant, sorcery, land, creature. That's what most people play. That's a vanilla 4/5. If you want artifacts, you need baubles, which is completely redundant other than to enable delirium and, get this, goyf butts. Tribal? For delirium and goyf butts. The deck has plenty of filler spots, so throw lilis in there because it's a strong card.

So don't try to tell me DSJ runs those cards other than to enable delirium (read: synergy) and bigger goyf butts.

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>>52808088
>all this talk of Goyf butts is making me nervous.

No, Hans.
Hans, no.

>>52808088
You can't equate traditional building-around to what goes on in DSJ. A 0 mana card that cycles barely affects the performance of your deck. Tarfire is fine most of the time because nobody plays things that don't pass the Bolt test in the first place, so 2 damage and 3 damage are actually surprisingly similar.

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>>52808033
>Working on a crusader deck.
A crusade in the glorious name of New Phyrexia, right?

>>52808137
Bugs 'n Thugs?

>>52808166
>He doesn't remember Rich Hagon formally apologizing for the deck's name being said live on air because according to Wizards, "Thugs" means black people thus it's racist

>>52808166
WE WUZ BUGS N THUGS N SHIET

I want to cum inside Elesh Norn

>>52808317
>he should have doubled down and renamed it niggers and chiggers
this way retards would actually have a reason to get upset

>>52808420
Hey, man, that's racist. We don't appreciate racism in the Magic community. We strive every day to make everyone feel welcome, and that includes our African American players.

>>52808488
there's a relevant thread for you in /aco/

>>52807330
yeah i'd only bring in orb for hatebear or value creature decks really, since it's your best answer to stuff like shaman of the pack or a flickerwisp/reclamation sage coming at your bridge.
crypt isn't great in 8 rack. use either nihil spellbomb or relic of progenitus if you want to nuke a graveyard. i think you also need to practice sideboard strategy

>>52808631
need the name of said thread, skimmed catalog and didn't see anything

asking for a friend

Is Pyromancer Ascension worth running in storm?

Or should I run regular 8x 'mancer version.

>>52809676
Ascension has been outclassed. People wanted to play Remand in Storm, and now Baral straight up rewards you for doing so. Ascension also got worse with the Probe ban, whereas Electromancers didn't.

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Is there agreement on Spire of Industry vs Glimmervoid in Affinity? 1-2 of or replace completely?

>want to build a new modern deck
>can't decide on one deck to commit to
This is the worst feeling. Thankfully modern will be dead soon.

>>52809848
>Thankfully modern will be dead soon.
lel
>can't decide on one deck to commit to
Well, have you narrowed it down at all? Do you already have a deck that you play?

>>52809840
If your glimmervoid dies, you aren't in good shape anyway. Spire is for poor people

>>52809840
Not yet. Some run both to fight Extirpate shenanigans.

>>52806387
>be the only one playing 8 whack goblins
>2 more 8 whacks pop up later

FUCK everyone's going to sideboard for 8 whack now and it's a popular deck so I can't play it anymore!

>>52809840
I don't think there's a consensus yet - I don't play affinity myself but since it's release I've seen lists running everything from 0-4 of either.

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>>52809911
If you want to keep playing meme decks switch to the spiciest one of them all, Kithkin!

>>52809840
Spire is strictly better; only deck that can realistically race is Burn and 95% of the they don't, unless they run a ridiculous side like Stony Silence etc. Glimmervoid makes for some really fucking awkward openers at times if you don't have more than 1 permanent to drop turn 1 (glimmer into skirge/drum into opponent push/grudge and you just lost the game) but otherwise a solid hand (eg. drum into overseer into dude into plating/master), whereas with Spire basically everything goes. The 2-2 split makes running Spires moot, since you're still getting said openers.

>>52809944
>tfw I unironically play this deck
It's more weenie-focused, with lots of little guys and Cenn's Heirs, plus Thoughtweft Trio cleans house.

>>52809870
Well right now I only have Esper Zur which I was thinking of changing to make more like Esper control or UW control (although I'm keeping Geist in). So I was thinking something G/R like maybe Tooth and Nail but black is really good of course so it's hard to not want to play with it.

>>52809993
Post your list my dude.

>>52809840
>>52809977
And if you run Sea Gate Wreckage, Spire taps for anus.

>>52810054
>running these stupid meme lands in affinity

>>52809872
>>52809905
>>52809914
>>52809977
I think I'll go ahead and pick up a playset, but as of now I'm thinking 1 or 2 is better depending on the meta. Glimmervoid does lead to awkward openers and we're usually racing, but you do get stuck in games where a few points of life matter. Having a painless manabase has saved me more than once.

>>52810054
Wreckage is in the SB if at all.

>>52810110
>Having a painless manabase has saved me more than once
It makes scapeshift matchups better for sure

>>52810005
Posting from memory, might be a little off in spots
4 Goldmeadow Harrier
4 Goldmeadow Stalwart
2 Ballyrush Banneret
2 Cenn's Heir
4 Wizened Cenn
4 Knight of Meadowgrain
4 Kinsbaile Borderguard
2 Thoughtweft Trio

4 Path to Exile
4 Surge of Thoughtweft
2 Cenn's Enlistment
2 Oblivion Ring

1 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
2 Rustic Clachan
2 Contested War Zone
17 Plains

>>52810160
Valakut matchups are nightmarish already.

>>52807887

>push the token
are you fucking daft? you push the mystic, the batterskull bounces itself to hand and mystic cheats it back in again. you need multiple answers once the batterskull lands and the SFM player probably has more threats. they got all this from one card.

>>52810204
The entire argument against sfm is

>BUH MUH TURN 3 4/4 VIGILANCE LIFELINKER

So they don't have the mana to bounce the skull to dodge artifact destruction

>>52810204
>they got all this from one card.
I know you're retarded but come on, it's two cards

desu kcommand is so prevalent in modern I don't even think sfm would be as good as legacy and we play a lot more creature removal than legacy so that's also a factor.

>>52810404
>kcommand is so prevalent
No it isn't. DSJ plays a couple copies and grixis has a few as well. That's about it

>>52810444
delver, control, dsj and Jund all play it family.

>>52810083
>pretty much unremoveable coercive portal in a deck that tends to run out of threats vs grindy decks especially postboard
>meme
>>52810125
You can shave the basic or a fourth rainbow/inkmoth land for it just as well.

>>52810464
And only one of those decks is actually high in percentage
Traditional jund is dead, grixis delver is declining and control, well this is modern.
None of the mentioned decks even play a playset

>>52810534
>a deck that recently won a gp and still top 8s on a regular basis is dead

>>52810399

>it's 2 cards
no, it's 2 permanents, but its 1 card's value. Sfm literally gives you a free batterskull that you cheat into play with it. you don't need anything else in your hand to do that.

>>52810609
Wow really? I had no idea what SFM did until just now. Thank you

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>>52799736
The Spirit Lord from that gives +1/+1 and hexproof. Geist can't catch a break.

>>52810444
it's the 20th most played spell in modern family

>>52810635
that's why you gotta use steel of the godhead my man.

>>52810511
>You can shave the basic or a fourth rainbow/inkmoth land for it just as well.
I mean, you technically can, but I wouldn't. Path is still a popular card, you need the colored mana, and manlands are great. Bring it postboard for grindy matchups.

>that one guy who 2 modes collective brutality a burn player with open mana then when burn player slams down a skull crack immediately in response asks them if they want to know the modes chosen

You're gonna gain life and or make me discard why ask stupid questions

Out of curiosity, what do you guys do between rounds? Read a book? Play vidya? Listen to music? Stare off blankly into space?

>>52810781
Watch boring tron v tron match up next to me which goes to full 50 minutes

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>>52810781
jerk off to my waifu in the corner

>>52810781
I talk to the other people in the room. Is everyone here actually a smelly autist with a neck beard?

>>52810781
Talk to the people who are done with their matches, discuss the games and matchups they just faced and offer advice. Also spectate a few games if those are interesting.

If it's a Modern Weekly and my round was fun, I try to ask for a rematch. I'm here to play Magic

>>52810781
Get food, watch other matches, chat, play some more games.

>>52810781
Watch others playing, take a smoke break, look for trades.

>>52810910
No, I just don't want to associate with the smelly autists.

>>52810910
No yes

>>52810910
No, but everyone else is.

>>52810781
I usually strike up conversation with a judge or other players, watch others play if the matchup is interesting like Mono black controll vs tezzerator I've seen last week.

If not, pull out my tablet and shitpost on /tg/ and various other boards.

>>52810910
>smelly
No
>autist
EXTREMELY
>neck beard
I shave, but poorly

>FNM is 8 hours away then Amonkhet after it

Do I really want to Modern then midnight and 5am prerelease?

>>52810976
I wouldn't, but you do you.

I did a midnight prerelease once just to cross it off my bucket list. Staying up that late just isn't for me, especially to play a children's card game.

>>52810976
>going the prerelease of one of the worst sets in a long time

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>>52810976

>>52811098
But Anon, I didn't go to Kaladesh.

>>52811098
desu the set doesn't really matter. All the normies (or as close as it gets in this game) come out and it's a good time.

>>52811098
Just because you didn't get any modern toys doesn't mean the draft environment is bad

>>52811130
Oh, in that case
>paying $25 to have a bad time and hang out with normies

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>>52811109

>>52811143
>normies
Kys

>>52803318
Mardu becomes relevant.

>>52811573
Keep dreaming bud

>>52811573
>mardu cucks are this delusional

>>52809977
>I don't know what "strictly better" means

>>52810781
Pack War obviously

Bant Eldrazi. Let me get this deck right.

It's running a self-bouncing scheme for repeated EtB triggers. Beyond that, all the creatures are big and evasive, or go wide and are evasive. On top of the bounce, some have built-in resistant to removal.
Protecting these creatures is a slight discard theme, plus the aforementioned bouncing.

In terms of colors, it's some kind of UB control deck with big huge (G?) creatures. Except it's actually in Bant colors.

How accurate am I so far?

I'm an 8rack player looking for something with an actual board presence. Jund/Junk is more than I'd like (I only have 2 lilis).
Is this a deck that's worth building?

Also, Eldrazi & Taxes. I hear it's less reliable than normal D&T, but I can put it together for cheaper than Bant. Building from one into the other is a sound idea, y/n?

>>52812530
>8rack
>2 lili
Wew

>>52812530
Run more sac options. You aren't targetting them if you force them to sac everything.

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>>52812653

>>52812591
>>52812653
Let me clarify. I have a half-budget 8rack deck, and am looking for an alternative. I like having discard, but want more board presence.

Is Bant Eldrazi something that works? Otherwise I'm looking at Jund.

>>52812763
Honestly if you don't have a playset of lilis can you just get the fuck out of this thread? Go get a job you fucking worthless faggot holy shit you disgust me to no end

>>52812530
>In terms of colors, it's some kind of UB control deck with big huge (G?) creatures. Except it's actually in Bant colors.
It's closer to a GBx midrange deck with most of its disruption stapled onto efficient creatures.

>>52812530
>bounce
displacer's effect is a flicker. bounce means return to hand

>In terms of colors, it's some kind of UB control deck with big huge (G?) creatures
??? in terms of colors, it's a bant value creature deck...

all of these decks are worth building unless your meta is infested with turn2 blood moons or ad nauseam

>>52812825
You're endlessly worse than Chinamanfags with the vitriole you spew.
Eat 10 dicks.

>>52813090
LOL and you're poor so fuck off

>>52813270
trollololol

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Hey, /tg/. Can someone down here come around and give me one of them suppository skredpills

>>52813304
Mountains, you want them.

>>52813090
t. poorfag who uses chinamen cards

>>52813304
You get to play a bunch of meme cards and blood moon. What's not to love?

>>52810781
Watch my wife get fffffffffflipped like a pancake

>>52813357
>Watch my wife get fffffffffflipped like a pancake
Is this the kind of sex lingo the kids are using these days?

>>52813372
The professional wrestler Viscera anally assauts my wiafe

>>52813357
The only thing worse than getting cucked... getting cucked by sperglords.

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>>52813394
Can someone hit me with the viscera pill? Is this guy modern playable?

>>52813414
Use these as tokens. I implore you.

>>52813430
My Koth emblem

>>52813414
Only in Abzan CoCo.