MTG Lore Thread: The Mummy Staring Liliana and Brendan Fraser Edition

>>52786258
Can someone Explain to me the with the Raven Man, he comes off more like a Ghost Plainswalker than an illusion.

Personally, I'm quite disgusted with how M:tG has been handling this new Plane. There should be more black people (or Nubians, as Kush as it was known to the Egyptians) to reflect the rich multicultural heritage of the Old Kingdom, where black men and women were not only a substantial portion of the population, but even Pharaohs!

>>52786417
Either her mind trying to put a face to her own insanity or Yawgmoth

>>52786438
The mummies are all black. You can't tell because they're covered in bandages though. It's a metaphor. MtG has deepest lore.

>>52786441
But the Machine Father is dead Anon.

>>52786438
>but even Pharaohs!
There was a single black dynasty in ancient egypt, and it only lasted about 90 years, which is fucking nothing in the thousands of years of Egypt's history.

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>She swallowed the grape, seeds and all of course—spitting was so undignified.

>>52786441
>Yawg
>Not Mishra

>>52786531
>and it only lasted about 90 years

I thought it was hardly more than 36?

Point is, the existence of that means a full third (if not more) of every card needs to feature a Nubian.

IT'S A FANTASY SETTING THEY CAN BE ANY COLOR THEY WANT, JUST DEAL WITH IT!

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>"Affection is manipulation," said Liliana. "It worked, didn't it?"

>"On whom?" said the Raven Man. "You and Jace have split a bottle and reminisced about old times more than once. You're telling me that was just you getting your hooks back into him?"

>It had happened, a time or three, at her private residence on Ravnica after she joined the Gatewatch. Then Gideon had remarked acidly at some strategy meeting about being unable to find Jace in the early hours of the morning, and that had been the quiet, unremarked-upon end of the thing.

>"That," said Liliana, "is none of your damned business."

W E W
E
W

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So what's Ajani up to? Considering there's some maybe-evil gods on the plane, maybe he's getting an expert on them.

>>52786615
She's only going to come back once Phyrexia invades Theros. Giving her a reason to join the Gatewatch

>>52786258
Did that story just confirm that Liliana and Jace have actually been fucking each other? And Gideon put a stop to it?

>>52786615
She is dead Anon. Let her go.

>>52786417
we don't know yet.

>>52786658

Yes?

>>52786658
he didn't so much put a stop to it, just put two and two together and they stopped it themselves once everyone knew

>>52786658
yes. No pre-marital sex allowed in Gideon's purity watch

How old is Lilly?

Was she born before or after the Phyrexian Invasions? Does she know they exist?

>>52786649
>The Gatewatch is on their knees before Elesh Norn, right as she is about to oil them
>Monologue and all coming out, with Chandra gnashing her teeth and Gideon hanging his head in shame
>Suddenly the ground starts to tremble
>The sky grows dark
>The ground itself bursts open as a golden-haired Elsepth flies out
>"IT'S OVER, PHYREXIAAAAAAAAA!"

>>52786682
>and they stopped it themselves once everyone knew

>Can't have sex anymore because everyone knows you're fucking

What is this, high school? They both have a right to bone anyone they damn well please.

>>52786695
>Next time, on Jacetice League: Z.

>>52786695
>Elesh Norn is killed
>Jin Gitaxias takes over and unleashes his Phyrexian Super science

>>52786708
Jace is a wimp
When Chad tells him not to fuck black-alligned chicks he says ok

>>52786713
>Two new Phyrexian Planeswalkers are unleashed, named Sycsten and Cevinten
>Chased by a more advanced creation with the powers of absorption, made solely to test them and, should they fail, absorb them

>>52786751
>>Two new Phyrexian Planeswalkers
Stopped reading there

>>52786676
>>52786604
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>>52786686
Gideon's just looking out for his bro. Can't let him drop back into an abusive relationship out of hand.

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>>52786258

That was suprisingly alright.
I expect Razaketh to look like a roided version of pic related

>>52786438
so you want black people to be slaves to a dragon that obviously reflects western colonialism at how he treats other planes? Why are you so racist?

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>>52786761
There's a third one too but he's nice and likes nature, and makes friends with Elspeth's son.

>>52786708
You should not fuck a person who decevied, manipulated and used you, while killing your friends. Gideon is right.

>>52786789

Silly, he was posting satire.

Most of the people in the Plane are black. Because as we both know, M:tG and WotC have done a TERRIBLE job including more black people in their products.

>>52786694
She was born a couple of decades before the Mending.

>>52786823
But what if you're drunk and the sex is REALLY good?

>>52786822
who is elspeth's father? Daxos? Ajani? Gideon? Xenagos? The Phyrexian Negator that attacked her before?

>>52786855
Jace. We need more UW Walkers. It also explains why he would be a gigantic pussy up until his Phyrexian friend dies.

>>52786855
>Negator

Bitch, if a Negator attacked a neo walker they'd be dead immediately. Those things were designed to kill old walkers

>>52786853

>Liliana
>Good at sex

She's a dead fish in the sack.

>>52786899
It's implied that she's actually very good at it, and she said in one UR that she used to snuggle up to Jace for warmth and occasionally amuse herself by breathing softly against his neck (since she has a lower body temperature than most).

He apparently liked it a lot.

>>52786855
Dack Fayden duh, why do you think he in the underworld, he said he was after the greatest treasure in Theros.

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I think magic's storyline is drivel but Liliana does things to my dick

well done Wizards I guess

>>52786899
She's had, like, years of experience, dude. Plus, all that demon magic is keeping her pussy fresh

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>>52786899
>>52786930
>>52786947

>>52786895
Not all neo walkers. Obnoxious likely could put up a fight, Sorin, Nahiri, definitely Ugin and Bolas.

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>>52786541
>>52786604
see pic
>>52786899
I could see her being all talk no foreplay or at least an Ara Ara in the streets, an nervous girl in the sheets

>>52786895
Yeah, and Elspeth is pretty much an oldwalker that didn't lose their powers.

>>52786713
As stupid as it sounds, I think Vorinclex is more likely to take over if Norn bites the dust, sure Jin has all his science but Clex just walks over everything Blue Phyrexia can throw at him, and losing mana is far more debilitating to Jin Gitaxias than not having ideas is to Vorinclex.

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>>52786541

>>52786971
Could Elspeth's utter hatred for Phyrexians allow her to ascend to a new state of being? Dare I say, a Super Walker?

>>52786972
She's definitely not nervous based on Agents of Artifice.

If Gideon in Purifying Fire is still even mildly canon, Gideon is probably more than a bit awkward though, or at least would be embarrassed when politely trying to refuse.

assuming they're going to keep recycling the Gatewatch for all eternity, I'd be interested to see what a UB Jace entirely wrapped around Liliana's finger would play like

>>52786989
Elspeth aint that powerful. She's almost certainly the strongest of the W neowalkers though.

>>52786989

So Glissa ends up running new phyrexia?

>>52787023
>getting wrapped around someone's finger somehow makes you B
that is NOT how the colour pie works

>>52786710
>>52786695
>>52786822
>>52786751
>>52786713
>>52786890
>>52787006

I want a drawfag to make an actual Super Saiyan Elspeth now, just to see what it would look like.

>>52787037
Yeah, I really like the sound of that.

>>52787032
You're right, it's hyperbole, but I'd put her up at Sorin/Nahiri powerlevel at the least.

>>52787023
If anything Jace edges towards WU.

>>52787037
no
Tezzeret does. Leading Phyrexia's armies through Planar Bridges. With Glissa as his waifu.

>>52787057
Doing a black walkers bidding however, just might.

>>52787103
NO IT DOESN'T IT'S LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE
REEEEE

>>52787087
>I know nothing about what canonically happened on New Phyrexia
Thanks for sharing, Anon.

>>52787087
Even Quest for Karn knew that's a shit idea, they already hate each other and he got btfo so hard he wants nothing to do with them twice over.

>>52787083
Jace want to be W, just as Gideon want to be R.

>>52787006
>Ajani: "Bolas!"

>Bolas: "Nonononono, fucking no, not again!"

>Ajani: "Yes! Despite all of your efforts, all of our genocide, Elspeth has become the one you've feared!"

>Bolas: "I swear to all my gods if you call her a fucking Su-"

>Ajani: "The Legendary Super Walker!"

>Bolas: "Killing you now, shutting you up now!"

>>52787123
>Canon post-lorwyn
kek

>>52787181
>Bolas promptly kills Ajani and makes Gideon explode

But who would be Broly? Garruk?

>>52786773
>>52786823
You know, given that this didn't come up in any of the previous stories in which we got Jace's perspective on Liliana...

It's possible that, every time it happened, he woke up the next morning, realized what he had done, and wiped his own memory of it.

>>52787240
Yeah, that's seems right big tough guy that beats everyone just by being far stranger than they can be, even when they're 6 times his size.

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>>52786780
>I expect Razaketh to look like a roided version of pic related
I have bad news.

>>52787295
That was him before the whole Bolas takeover. He probably looks different now

>>52787351
>He probably looks different now
Why?

>>52787351
Just replace his crown with a Bolas crown. There would be that many physical differences for a demon in 60-80 years

>>52787395
*would not be

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>Amonkhet plane profile still isn't up
God damn it, Wizards, get your shit together.

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>>52787395
>60-80 years
Maximum 67

>>52787443
wow, it's weird thinking it was such a short time since literal gods had been walking around everywhere. there are characters grandparents or even parents that could have known Jeska.

After Griselbrand, none of Lili's other demons seem particularly threatening. Kothophed died like a bitch and deserved it for being so stupid. Griselbrand would have throat swabbed Lili, chain veil or no, and had to be explained away with a 'caught him unawares' dismissal. I doubt Razaketh will measure up to Gris in any capacity.

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>>52787443
>Some oldwalkers are probably alive even without life extending magic
>Granny Jaya is still possible

>>52787555
According to Jodah, she kicked it even before the Mending.

>>52787295

That's fucking dissapointing then

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>>52787270
Or Liliana did it herself.

>>52786441
Yawg is in his tomb getting his shit slapped by the ghost of Lord Windgrace.

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Has there been any confirmation whether Bontu is supposed to be male or female?

Cause I'm having problems determining that.

>>52788066
Who gives a shit?

>>52788076
Alligator fuckers, that's who.

>>52786496
The Machine Father is both dead and alive anon. The father is dead, long live Yawgmoth.

>Vedalken are Namekians
>Dovin Baan is Piccolo

Holy shit yes

>>52788093
So, Florida Man then?

>>52788066
He's male, only the Cat and the Pervert are female.

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>>52788140
>He must teach Elspeth's son how to dodge using Aether-based weapons and high-speed vehicles
>Despite this, he has no idea how to actually drive

>>52787514
Liliana said herself that Razaketh was more powerful than Griselbrand (though this might only be the case since she has no way of surprise attacking him)

>>52788148
wrong. MaRo said that the Amonkhet gods are the opposite gender of the theros monocolour gods

>>52788194
As far as im concerned, Razaketh's power level directly depends on whether or not I want to reanimate him. I don't think they can top Draw 7.

I really want to care about the lore but I just can't.

It reads like it was written by teenagers, for teenagers about teenagers.

How closely is alignment tied to a walker's magic?
If Gideon snapped and started learning necromancy while backstabbing everyone he knows would he lose access to whatever it is he does besides turning invincible?

>>52788258
>When Razaketh enters the battlefield from the graveyard, each opponent discards his or her hand and you may search your library for up to three cards, put two of them into your hand and the rest into your graveyard. Then shuffle your library.

>>52788272
It is.

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>>52788076
I have my reasons.

>>52788208
Got source to confirm that?

>>52788272
>>52788366

I can tell you right now for first hand experience that teenage writers would not even be able to write for this series at all. They would bicker too much with one another to get anything done and would scrap all previous characters in favor making their own Planeswalkers that are from plane X, and do their own things.

It's not as bad as teenage writers, not yet.

>>52788272
Well they've pretty much made the cast into teens.

>>52788381
>>52788066

Not same anon or same source, but
https://twitter.com/MTGAlison/status/852016505302597636

Literally two seconds in google

Jace and Liliana have the best dynamic of any two members of the gatewatch

>>52788493
Thanks

>>52788502

I do enjoy their interactions.

>>52788502
Gideon and anyone except Nissa. Because Nissa ruins everyone else, and Gideon makes everyone better but not so much that Nissa doesn't go back and ruin them.

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>>52787161
Chandra wants to be G and Nissa is B. So does Lili go blue for the legendary love pentagram?

>>52788502
I like them, you can feel the sexual tension.

>>52787240
>My mana is maximum!
Also couldn't Ajani just play "stop hitting yourself" with Nicky B again?

>>52786441
>>52786417
What's the possibility it's Bolas?
I'm not a lore buff, but if he brokered the contracts for Liliana to get the Veil, it seems like he might just take it from her.

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So does this mean Bolas wants to kill the demon as well for some reason? Couldn't he just have done it himself?

>>52788861
I think he's working with the demon, and that's the win the gateway gets they kill a demon for the least trustworthy member and then they get btfo by Bolas.

>>52787570
Didn't that turn out to be a Jodah from an alternate reality, though? If so, he could've been talking about his reality's Jaya.

>>52788803
Most places don't have an arbitrarily large mana combo going in the background to fuel it.
The one flaw in Bolas's Alara scheme is that he didn't notice that one of the cards he was using said each player - or if he did, thought it wouldn't matter.

>>52788479
>>52788433
>>52788366

It just makes the franchise kind of embarrassing, things like >beefcake are just awful, and I have a pretty high tolerance for this shit, I even used to read 40k stuff.

>>52788682
No, Nissa was B in the previous timeline.
Now she's apparently U and never ever touched that icky nasty black mana those mean old Lorwyn elves were using and Greatly Disapproved of them.
She was never an elf supremacist what are you talking about, she's too pure for that!

>>52788987
I mean I'm not saying it isn't bad, but teenagers would be a whole different level of "This franchise is dead".

>>52788972
And it didn't, the only thing Bolas lost there was the opportunity to destroy the plane and far more importantly, he lost some face in Ajani creating a clone.

>>52789058
One character doesn't act like a teenager, Jace is a teen nerd, Nissa is an autistic teen, Chandra is a teenager with ADHD and Liliana is the school bicycle.

>>52788357
Depends on if he's going monoblack or BW.
Straight, pure, complete drop to murderhobo territory? Yeah.
If it's more 'hey bitch has a point, we can use the bodies of those who already died to protect those who are still alive/I can trust the others in the Gatewatch but nobody else out there knows what they're doing, and if I don't actually trust them it's not betraying them if I go against them later' type stuff then he's WB and still has his old things (likely not as strongly) in addition to the newer stuff

>>52789119
I mean if it was WRITTEN by teenagers.

If it was, Gideon would be useless, Jace would have secret Boros powers, Nissa would also have more colors (but would also totally know how to use them), Chandra would never have a moment of doubt and would never screw anything up, and Liliana would be pretty much the same only a lesbian with more piercings.

Trust me, it could be so, SO much worse.

>>52787200
>Canon post-something-I-didn't-like doesn't count
>Being this autistic

>>52789163
Oh, well then I agree completely. Though teens are more likely to do something crazy in the plot to be edgy or unexpected so there'd be something interesting happening at least fucking terrible but if teens wrote it at least they'd leave the gateway quicker.

>>52789163
And they would totally have SEX like omg

>>52789233
>are more likely to do something crazy in the plot to be edgy or unexpected so there'd be something interesting happening
No, it wouldn't be more interesting, it would just be more retarded as they try to one-up each other. They'd also think that a good 'twist' is that Liliana is actually sleeping with (Major female character from the block) just like last time and Gideon still doesn't get any, because he had a fairly obvious crush on said female character.

>>52789242
Jace and Gideon wouldn't.

>>52789163
I would've figured Gideon would be turned into the resident katanaguy (or whatever other thing is In for teens) and acts like he's red.
And has a BIG SECRET in that he's the son of Heliod but he can't tell anyone but his invincibility is starfield pattern and shit.

>>52789311
Oh no, that would be Jace, because he is blue. Gideon is the goody two-shoes who's too old for this shit despite not actually being all that old, and because of this he's usually not there for the trouble because the other ones are just that good.

>>52786969
Anyone got this colored?

>>52789336
Nono, Jace gets the bullshit MAAAAGICAL powerups and has a cool knife that he hides in his cloak (which is constantly described as being really cool), that he uses in the offchance someone tries to use any sort of weapon on him, able to block anything forever with it.
But he mostly uses his magic. And he's frequently telling Gideon, when Gideon fucks up when he tries to do stuff by beating it up, that "It's MAGIC the gathering, not SWORDS the gathering."

>>52786853

Then party on, Garth

>>52789404
No, you're thinking a bit too hard. That's too obviously edgy, no, Gideon is there purely for the token White guy, and does utterly nothing of use aside from getting a crush on a female non-walker character who is later revealed to be sleeping Liliana.

>>52786695
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>>52786713
>>52786773
The fact that you think Elspeth coming back (and the Gatewatch in general) is shit storytelling is exactly why seeing /tg/ unhappy about MtG lets me know that MtG is in a healthy place.

>>52789476
We don't think Elspeth coming back would be shit storytelling (Which it could be, depending on how they do it). It would just be hilarious if it she came back by going Super Saiyan.

>>52789476
But all those seem like they're saying Elspeth coming back is great?

>>52789024
I'm saying that in the actual canon [for now] lore, she wants the almost as autistic as her mind mage D.

>>52789510
If it's not Dack Fayden "rescues" her it's shit writing.

>"Now get lost."
>"Uh, extra no."

Much better than a lot of other articles but still a couple of instances of awkward, immersion breaking language.

>>52789618
>Dack and Elspeth on the way out from the Underworld
>Erebos and his minions closing in on them as Theros itself gets swamped by Phyrexia
>No chance of escape, so Elspeth just asks why it's her who has to come back
>Dack just says "Phyrexians"
>"PHYREXIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
>And thus, Erebos realized trying to keep Elspeth around just wasn't worth it any more.

>>52786780
Please spoonfeed me the lore behind this thing. It looks so cool

>>52789669
Nonono,
>Dack arrives at Elspeths chamber or whatever you have in the underworld.
>Tries flirting to hide the fuck he forgot the way out.
>Elspeth sees right through it and leads him right to the entrance fighting through hundreds of Erebos' minions.
>She refuses to leave saying she made a deal.
>Dack panics and says if you don't come right now Theros will be overrun by phyrexians.
>Uses all of his artifice and illusion to make Ashioks nightmares look like phyrexians.
>Keeps doing it so Elspeth will stick around
>Next thing he knows they've been married for 16 years with 4 kids.

>>52789618
Incorrect. The entire thing they were setting up was the Hero's Journey, and that means the hero has to complete it herself
And they stopped at the fucking halfway point.
Just having Dack save her WOULD be shit writing, because it goes against the entire point of what was going on. Him assisting her, but her still being the driving force? Sure, that works. Him being the driving force, no.

>>52789629
It's that kind of cringe worthy dialog that conjures visions of the dyed-hair hambeast that likely wrote this slop.

>>52789823
That's why rescues was in quotation marks. He goes in trying to save her and they come out with her saving him.

>>52789899
Somehow I completely missed the quotation marks.
Woops, my fault.

>>52786708
The problem is that they're skipping team meetings to bone.

>>52787032
She was pushing in the shit of New Phyrexia almost solo before she was separated from Koth and Venser.

Now Koth is soloing New Phyrexia.

>>52786541

Does ANYONE actually spit out grape seeds?

>>52790249
Christian girls.

>>52790249
if they are grapes with big ol fatty seeds yes.

>>52788792
Someone's going to walk in on them banging at some point.

>>52786258

I want to slide my dick into Liliana's gloves

>>52790595
>Lili in full dom gear
>Jace splayed at her feet in a gimp mask, Lili's boot heel twisting on his sack
>a shocked Gideon watches for a full twenty seconds before realizing Liliana is staring him straight in the eyes while abusing Jace's nutsack

>>52788861
Just another way to kill people and awaken anymore latent sparks I presume.

Why is the dialogue so awkward.
Is it intentional? I swear the writers can't think of how proper conversation between mature adults would work.

>>52791175

>WoTC employee
>Mature adult

lmao

>>52789766
Ifnir is one of the desert regions outside the protected paradise. It has demons.

If you think they're gonna spend time worldbuilding when there's gates to be watched, you're gonna have a bad time.

>>52791175

Jace isn't exactly a mature, functioning person even less without coffee and Liliana is an uppity cunt who believes herself better than everyone else. Of course communication doesn't work

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>>52790924
anon please stop. I can only get so aroused.

>>52791073
Could Bolas be collecting Sparks to try and fuck with the Mending?

>>52790924
Liliana would be a terrible dom.

>>52791508
>Bolas literally shoving sparks into the blind eternities to see what happens

>>52791529
We thought he was evil. Turns out he's just a wizard doing wizard shit.

>>52791529
He'll probably have more of a plan than that. Either he'd want to un-do part of the Mending, or he's looking to return himself back to his previous powers.

Either that or he's just doing some unspecified dickery because he can.

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>>52791449

God damn it Anon, now look what you've made me do.

>>52791606
you mean he's a capitalist doing capitalist shit.

>>52789849
For what it's worth, anon, there's a picture of the author at the top of literally every story. Skinny white dude this time.

>>52791619
Eitger way it means he has no sense of right and wrong.

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>>52786899
My headcanon begs to differ.

>>52791612
You wouldn't hqve a mega for that zip would you?

>>52790249
Of course we do.

Wouldn't want a grape plant to sprout out of your head.

>>52791866

Naw

Downloaded it like, 4-5 years ago, and everything released after then is downloaded by hand.

Gimme a sec and I'll make one though.

>>52790249
If that's not a euphemism, then I don't know anyone who does.

If it is, I do.

>>52786258
Liliana continues to be the best member of the Gatewatch.

I may have rued the day they forced her to join but thank God shes in or else the story would have been WAY too insufferable between Gideon's arc and Chandra and nissa's arc

>>52791513
I can't help but feel she would be one of the amateurs that would fuck up and give Jace a blood clot on the first night.

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>>52791833
Fulfilling the desires of the greatest number of people is unequivocally the right thing to do. To do this, you need an efficient allocation mechanism.

Capitalism is the best way for uncoordinated self-interested sex-crazed murder monkeys (humans) to allocate resources efficiently.

tl;dr: Capitalists are objectively the most moral individuals in any society.

>>52791864
>ff
What a waste. I bet that slut could throat a baseball bat.

>>52791866
>>52791900

My internet is pretty much for shit right now so the mega will take roughly an hour to be ready, will post it then.

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>>52791900
I downloaded that folder ages ago as well, and every so often I go back to it and feel a vague kind horror that I recognize more characters than last time.

>It's a liliana episode
>thread devolves into lewd
I'm not sure whether to count that as a success or a failure.

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>>52791864

>>52788066
Bontu is a woman and I'm really concerned about your ability to distinguish sexual dimorphism if you can't fucking tell that.

>>52788148
Jesus funk and waggnal, you are a sped.

>>52786659
She's gonna turn into one of those faceless zombies and lose her planeswalking powers.

>>52791984
>Implying Jace isn't on top in the bedroom

He can probably telepathically link them to feel each other's pleasure.

>>52792582
>Jace
>anywhere but tied up with a dildo jammed in his butt
Cute.

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>>52792004
Just for you, anon.

>>52791612
>>52791866
>>52791900
>>52792046

https://mega.nz/#!7NFWRSbQ!QvewWs6ekQSrT1FgJ6NLtDh4VBjEX0CCZC6IcoijHUw

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>>52792866
You're a good person.

>>52792519
English Mother Fucker, do you speak it?

>>52792924
Dag flobby yo mungta dilly dally that trapsie not. Garfunkel.

>>52792311
Well, there wasn't much to actually discuss. Once we covered the fact that the Gatewatch stories are bland as hell, the fact that Wizards keeps pushing an openly abusive relationship, and disappointment over Razaketh's appearance, there was pretty much nowhere else to go but lewd.

>>52793002
>openly abusive
You mean the sweet mutual-tsundere thing Jace and Lili have going on? There's been absolutely no indication that there present relationship is any way abusive.

Plus writing about a manipulative relationship is not the same as endorsing said relationship. It's in character for Lili to manipulate and coerce.

>>52793089
When they were previously together, she used him as an amusement with every intention of betraying him if it got her on the good side of Nicol Bolas. She did and it did.

He's nothing to her but a mildly interesting plaything that she's willing to chuck in the garbage at any point if it gives her an advantage. And she's done that before.

That's pretty abusive.

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>>52791864
Hell yeah

>>52792768
Ha, thanks bruv. Not as violent as I like it but that's not for everyone

>>52793164
Don't forget the whole gratuitous amounts of murder thing.
You don't get back together with someone who got everyone else you knew but one killed Emmara got lucky

>>52793089
She was called out on repeatedly getting him drunk and then fucking him.

While he's trying to remain wary of her because of the fact that she murdered all of his friends and contacts on Ravnica and framed Tezzeret for it, for the sole purpose of getting Jace to challenge Tezzeret. So that she could seize control of the Infinite Consortium and deliver it to Bolas.

The fact that she's tugging on his memories and trying to insinuate herself back into a relationship that was previously established solely to use him as a tool, while now thinking of all the ways in which she can use him as a tool, does in fact make it abusive. And the fact that he keeps slipping up is unfortunately realistic, and painful to watch.

>>52789629
What is wrong with that language?

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>>52793002
>the fact that Wizards keeps pushing an openly abusive relationship

Oh no, you again... Nobody but tumblr cares about that stuff. It's fucking fiction! You're on the same group as those bait/edgy /pol/ guys who say "we wuz khans" or "le nigger in innistrad are bad!!1!1".

Dude, it's fiction, fantasy, not real. WotC isn't the best at writting, how many people have written Liliana, or Jace, or anyone? And you know consistency isn't the strong suit for WotC.

Liliana could have raped Jace and kill his whole family. Ajani could have shove his cat dick in Elspeth. Nissa could have commited genocie on non-elves and only tumblrinas get upset about a work of fantasy.

Doesn't it mean abusive relationships are ok? or killing people or whatever? Of course not, because normal people can distinguish between what's real and what's fantasy. If you get triggered about this kind of situations is not WotC fault, but your for not being matured enough to get your emotions in check, hell, even going to theraphy if you were abused o beaten by a goth chick (if you're so obsessed by Lili).

Bottom line is seek help with a professional, get over it and try to enjoy some awfully bad fiction. If you're so offended by it, then skip Lili and Jace's chapters, but keep in mind you're a minority.

>>52793507
Because like, it's super not unusual for fantasy characters speak like this! 'cause um, ya know, it's totes plausible for non-modern characters to chat like this! Like, this sort of language is just SO period-agnostic and you've got to be some sort of weirdo or dummy if you think otherwise! I mean, um, what, do you like, want them to sound like they were written by like, Shakespeare or something? Ew. That would be super obnoxious.

>>52793570
Good use of exaggeration, my dude.

Any fantasy that isn't ye olde speak is fine by me. It's not like Jace is from medieval earth or anything.

>>52793705
If you're going with a fictional setting, it's appropriate to have characters either speak in a fashion that's established in the setting or speak using clear English without any informal modern slang or phrases.

You might find it believable but some of us can't read the shit Chandra says and this 'sure, I can believe that this character exists in a non-modern setting.' It doesn't make us autistic, it's just different degrees of verisimilitude.

For example, see the Witcher games. It's a fantasy setting that isn't directly mimicking a specific period. The characters present in those games don't speak like Macbeth, nor do they speak like Chandra. They either speak like relatively ordinary people in a plain fashion or they speak in a fashion established as a common manner of speech within the setting. It's believable.

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>>52793925
What if this was a setting where characters can speak in modern english?

>>52793953
That would be fine, if other characters in the setting also spoke modern english.

>>52786438
>heritage
Black people are the reason I'm skipping this set.

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>>52794044
What if you have characters that speak in modern english and some that don't because they all came from different places and, for some reason, they can jump to other settings or planets where the way the people speak is different?

>>52794094
>>52793953
Why do the character speak in modern English? What developments led towards that specific vernacular coming into use? Is it not jarring whatsoever to have a setting based on more typical fantasy settings, which are usually medieval or historical in nature, in which the characters speak in a perfectly modern fashion?

Maybe not for you but it can be for others. It makes as much sense as having a sci-fi setting where one faction of aliens speaks like valley girls and another speaks like gentlemen of the Enlightenment. Why? No reason. Literally no setting reason for it. They just do.

>>52794094
Like i said, if other characters in the setting spoke in the same way it would be just fine, but if there are no other characters speaking in the same way, how did the character learn to speak like that?

Oh, joy, this argument again.

>>52794159
>Why do the character speak in modern English?
Why do you need a reason? I could write about feudal japan samurais where the characters speak spanish and aliens come to kill everyone while speaking in modern irish.

>What developments led towards that specific vernacular coming into use?
Trying to get kids to buy their product.

It's not a 1:1 Egyptian tale, it's loosely based on Egypt. Same as Kaladesh or Innistrar or Kamigawa.

I guess it's a matter of opinions really, I'm not bothered as much as you and other anons are. Chandra speak that way to please the Joss Whedon crowd, sort of like a comic relief. Remember that they follow the sitcom/tv show style of writing (source: one of the podcast they released).

>>52786780
this is literally one of the most metal artwork used by wizards in a long time. like this belongs on an album cover for a scandinavian band that also uses symphonic instrumentals.

>>52793547
But anon, le niggers on innistrad are bad, they raise the crime rate of gavony just like they did on Kaladesh.

>>52794809
Nah, man. Black people on Innistrad was fine. EVERY FUCKING THING WENT DOWNHILL WHEN WE LET THE FUCKING KOR IN

>>52794879
Go away chicken.

>>52794902
FUCKING PASTY ROCK LOVERS GET OUT

FREE MY NIGGA SORIN

Is Liliana truly evil? She seems a bit too soft at times

>>52795032
They're too afraid to really commit to it.

>>52795032
She's fond of Jace and is sort of entertained by Chandra, while ultimately putting herself first.

>>52795032
Wait until she can sell off a Gatewatch member for more power or more control of the Chain Veil or something. Sorin was our last neutral Black walker who wasn't an utter bastard at all hours of the day.

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>>52795032
She's tsundere.

>>52795061
Uh, no. Sorin was a shit, especially when he forgot to take his nap.

>>52795084
I dunno man, there aren't many instances I can recall where Sorin wasn't the least retarded dude in the room.

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>>52795084
>a shit
>looks out for threats against his world and gave of himself to keep it protected while he was gone
>tries to take care of his folks even after they disown him
>you need to legitimately piss him off to have him raise his sword against you
>didn't even drink from people before the Mending
>advocates against boardwipes
>a shit

>>52795032
She's the black walker the way the aetherborne align with black mana, they all focus on the empowerment of the self. Good and Evil exists on an axis orthogonal to the colour pie, we've had quite a few W villains and B heroes.

Girl just wants what she wants, and wants to get it in the most self-preserving manner possible. Some on this thread call her a "stuck up bitch" as a consequence, but she and the aetherborn are my spirit animals and I totally relate to them. You know, just like how autists relate to Narset.

>>52790249

It depends. Some types of grapes have really big seeds.

>>52795156
I preferred sage kung-fu master Narset to the planeswalking bean counter we got but I think I see what you mean.

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>>52795032
I'm just hoping Garruk shows up and chops her head off. I'm also betting he developed an immunity to her powers.

>>52795189
Nah, I was throwing shade a little at how lazy it is to turn sage kung-fu master into the planeswalking bean counter just for Good Goy Points with the snowflakes and sardonically stating that if that's their intention, then they're doing a pretty good job of using Liliana to appeal to psycopaths.

>>52787108
>Tezzeret was monoblue before he became Agent of Bolas

Hmmmmm

>>52793002
I'm GLAD we're getting Liliana lewds, it feels like an integral portion of Liliana's character that WotC:aHS and their boner-hating fanfiction writers are too afraid to address. For a power-hungry, self-preserving, multi-centenarian temptress, a flamboyant and deviously exuded sexuality seems like a given.

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>>52793547
I agree with you, HOWEVER bad people didn't make sense on Creepy Europe. But places like Ravinca and Zendikar makes perfect sense to have white, balck, Asian, Indian, etc. With the new set I am fine with 50% black, but that's because I want Egyptians qts.

>>52795430

The lore has mentioned Innistrad is a plane with mutliple continents, based on the lore mentioned in AVR about werewolves surviving abroad.

Seems likely to me the non-european people of Innistrad are descended from settlers from those continents. I can't imagine it's any nicer a place to live over there, so it wouldn't surprise me if some people on each continent decided to cross the ocean and take their chances on the other side. At least the neck of the woods we've focused on had angels until very recently.

>>52788502
Liliana completely drops the "beefslab" and other nicknames/attitude around him, too.

>>52795340
Except right now she's trying to focus that lewd on Jace to get her boy toy back.

Not that I'm complaining, but Jace really does have poor impulse control and bad judgement when it comes to her. That's probably why Gideon's being a bro and looking out for him.

>>52786541
They were alluding pretty heavily to a physical relationship between her and Jayce.

>>52786989
Vorinclex doesn't have the desire or structure needed to run the joint.

>>52795892
I think I remember someone mentioning there was an implication that Kamigawa and Innistrad were actually just continents on the same plane.

Seems unlikely but I want to believe.

>>52799109
I don't think it's run the joint so much as have the most power.

>>52797400
I like the idea that Liliana is trying to convince herself that she's just using Jace but she actually has genuine feelings for him.

It'd be interesting to see Liliana's self-centered nature extend to looking after Jace because he's "her's"

>>52796467
I hope she eventually calls Gideon that when Jace is about, then we'd get the comedy of Jace telling her off while trying to pretend that he doesn't think beefslab is an appropriate name for Gideon.

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>>52787240
>>52787288
>>52788803
>"Let's see how you like it when it becomes four on one you animal!"

>"Me an animal? I'm not an animal I'm the hunter."

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>>52799435
No he is a monster anon. He's just a thousand of them.

>>52795152

THIS.
Sorin is the man.

>>52800201
>trapped inside a rock
>when you can planeswalk

Is he an idiot or something?

>>52800298
Nahiri built it so that it's chainsawing him forever so he's too distracted by pain to planeswalk.

He's going to be incandescently angry when he gets out.

>>52800316
>implying Sorin will ever get out
>implying Nahiri did anything wrong

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>>52799435
>>52799825
I just want Garruk to kill worst girl already

>>52800421
>black ranger having any lasting consequences for their actions

>>52800433
>Liliana will always be safe because she's a strong independent woman who's also Jace's cock sleeve

>>52800457
More like Jace is Liliana's pussy holder

>>52789119
Gideon acts like how teenagers think adults are supposed to act.

>>52799141
If they were, why did Tamiyo planeswalk to Innistrad from Kamigawa to study the moon?

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I hate everything about what Wizards have turned Liliana into after the Triumph of Ferocity debacle. It's fucking pathetic.

>>52800867
the fuck?

>>52787032
>Bolas
>Eldrazi Titans, Progenitus, Oona, O-Kagachi
>Ugin, Karn, Sorin, Nahiri
>Elspeth
>Liliana with the Chain Veil
>Ob Nixilis, Gods
>Gideon, Garruk, Liliana, Koth
>
>
>Chandra, Ajani, Baltrice, Xenagos
>Tezzeret, Ramaz, Sarkhan, Narset, Nissa, Ral, Venser, Vraska, Ashiok
>Domri, Tibalt, Daretti, Dack, Dovin
>Tamiyo, Jace, Saheli
>Normal mages

That's how I see it from what we've seen them do.

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Okay, so as someone who's new to MtG, if Liliana is such a bitch what's stopping Jace from just mind sculpting her into someone who's not a bitch? Planeswalkers are obviously not immune to it, or my roommate wouldn't hit me with it 4 times a game.

In fact, what's stopping Jace from just mind sculpting everyone?

>>52801166
Jace isn't evil, mainly. If I recall he did that in one of the earlier novels, but they've really toned down just how morally questionable everyone acts in more recent years so they can push the Gatewatch thing. You can't have your Avengers mind-raping people.

>>52801166
Moral and ethics.

>>52801166
Card power levels and mechanics aren't 1:1 with lore. Jace is versatile, but he's not Charles Xavier. He has morals, he has limits, and everyone's mind is different. Not everyone is affected the same way or even vulnerable to him.

Bolas, Tezzerret, Ob Nixilis, Niv Mizzet, and Ruric Thar all had odd powerful minds or knew how to deal with mind mages. Or you get beings like gods and Eldrazi titans that will just laugh at the intrusion. Or you get by without having much of a mind. Jace can't fight undead, especially vampires, very well.

>>52801166
A big part of Jace's character is that he's a big fan of ethics. He acknowledges in various areas that he could make himself appear just as charismatic as Gideon, or he could manipulate others into being exactly who he wants them to be with his telepathy, but he cares too much about doing what's right to go through with that.

There's absolutely no reason why he shouldn't be Azorius colors, other than the fact that he's the poster-boy of blue. If he was, he'd be the best example of blue-white being 'good' that you can get.

>>52801199
I'll give you that, that old god level planeswalkers were dicks. Ultimate power does that to folks. But not every protagonist was as morally fluid as Toshiro was.

>>52801336
Toshi and Guildpact Teysa were the magnum opus of Magic protagonists, we'll never experience that quality again.

>>52801336
I actually meant Jace and co. used to act more questionably, not the oldwalkers. With the Oldwalkers that's just a given.

>>52801521
Everything from before Origins is soft canon at this point; it's true until post-Origins rewrites it in a more sanitary fashion.

Everything from before Lorwyn is effectively non-canon. You might as well assume it never happened until something post-Origins actually mentions it.

>>52794809
no, niggers represent the "other", moral corruption that warps their appearence and makes them off-putting to normal humans. Perfect for a horror setting

>>52801166

It's pretty well justified with Jace - he used to be a mind-warping dickhead, who acted pretty much like a Dimir with less of a creepy murderer vibe.

Then Agents of Artifice happened (one of the few decent MtG books), and he learned a pretty reasonable lesson that mindrape and memory theft is a really shitty thing to do.

>>52801199
>>52801252
>>52801288
>>52801675
Makes sense, thanks.

>>52801253
Does Liliana inherit the undead mind magic resistance, though? She doesn't seem as mindless as them, but then neither do vampires and you included them too. Being manipulative doesn't always require intelligence but you usually have to at least have the presence of mind to know how someone's emotions work.

Liliana-along with Jace-seems to be on a tier above the other Origins planeswalkers in power to my relative outsider pov. Does she have a defense I don't know about?

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>>52792519
I suspected that Bontu was a woman but since we have never gotten a clear view of her chest I couldn't tell if she was a woman or a guy with a feminine bodyshape.

Also when pic related is supposed to be a woman according to wotc you can never be sure about this kind of stuff.

>>52801851
Liliana has the Raven Man in her brain, who seems to be capable of assisting her. She also wields the Chain Veil, which is an infinity-stone-tier plot device that can solve almost any problem, at great personal cost. Combine this with literal centuries of experience and she's probably the most powerful of the five.

Jace is a telepath of almost limitless potential. Once he's familiar with something or if he's appropriately prepared, he can do almost anything with almost any mind. The main issue is that a lot of the time, he needs to use his telepathy against people he's unfamiliar with, in situations where he isn't prepared or focused.

Provided Nissa has a strong connection with the plane she's on, she's capable of great things. By the end of Battle for Zendikar, she had forged such a connection with the plane that she was able to call upon and channel literally all of its mana. On planes where she has the time to establish this connection, she can possess the power of an entire world. On planes without this connection, she's little more than walking exposition about the nature of the plane that can occasionally manipulate plants.

Chandra converts mana to fire. That's basically her thing. Using her own mana, she can use to inflict some pretty impressive firestorms. In tandem with other planeswalkers though - such as turning herself into a living bomb while Gideon protects her with his magic, or receiving all of Zendikar's mana from Nissa and transforming it into a titan-destroying fireball - she can destroy practically any obstacle.

Finally, there's Gideon. He's got the least offensive magic of all five and relies on physical prowess when inflicting combat. However, he makes up for this through being literally indestructible and impervious to harm (outside of being drowned in three inches of muddy water) and being able to bolster his allies with magic he was taught on Theros.

>>52801288
He's not UW solely because if they did, people would think he was in Azorious the guild.
Because people are dumb.

>>52801979
That's a woman? I thought it was Lando Calrissian.

>>52801101
Id put Jace a bit higher, and if Tamiyo unloads those mega-card-spells she stores in scrolls she'll jump up a few for a while. Otherwise, looks reasonable enough.

>>52801253
Bolas outclassed Jace by so many orders of magnitude that there was nothing Jace could even dream of doing. Just trying to stop a Bolas not even trying, with Jace using all his strength, almost blew his brain out his ears in two seconds.

"Powerful" doesn't even begin to describe how outclassed Jace is. Mind mages are apparently rare according to Tezzeret, too, or at least uncommon. Until AoA he barely even had cause to heavily train himself.

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>>52801166
Jace always works best when he's just pic related but with magic

>>52802245
Thank god I'm not the only one that sees that. It was so bizarre reading the preview article where they started referring to it as 'she'.

>>52802245
I didn't realize it was a woman in the first place, but now I can't unsee Lando.

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Reading through this thread, it just dawned on me:
>primarily black mage
>fits me to a T
>pretty selfish with a lust for power among other things
>reluctantly accept green/ white as useful tools
>start going to a new shop
>befriend a couple of regulars
>one is literally an adhd red mage
>he amuses me and I find his demeanor genuine and endearing
>other is a fast talking, sharp tongue blue mage
>It's a joy to match wits and our games are always exciting

I fit the color pie. How bizarre.

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>>52802363
ITT: Characters that remind you of yourself
For me it’s Kefka – intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.

>>52802363
>t. intelligent, nihilist and a wicked sense of humour
nah, you're just an edgy prick mate

>>52802471
I am pretty edgy and prick is an accurate descriptor, no joke. Wasn't trying to talk myself up.

>>52802467
Did I unwittingly walk into a meme?

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>>52802363
Is loud, impulsive, lawful stupid white or red?

This is important because now I have to theme all of my decks that way.

>>52802583
That sounds very REDwhite.

>>52802583
Loud and Impulsive is red. Lawful stupid is White. Boros is what you get when you stick them both together.

>>52802047
Liliana can actually talk with people. She is a jerk, but she actually knows court decorum, and how to act in public in a general sense, compared to the other 4 either being bumbling, awkward, or possessing the mentality of a 12 year old who discovered face book messaging like Chandra.

Jace can communicate without speaking, and has leadership experience. This lets him communicate with almost any humanoid being that is not a zombie in the multiverse, given the proper time to get past mental blocks.

Nissa cannot speak to anyone since she is a little elf who talks to nature and other nerdy shit. She can have deep conversations with people, but it is limited at best.

Chandra sucks at conversation the most. Too jumpy, and it often confuses people.

Gideon is also a natural leader, but thinks on a 2 dimensional scale with his tactics. He knows what to say at the right time, because he does not smile. Also looks out for Jace because they are bros.

>>52802777
Language barriers aren't a thing. For whatever reason, the spark allows planeswalkers to communicate in some sort of universal language everyone can understand. They're also capable of understanding any language, unless it's plot relevant that they don't.

So Jace's ability to communicate mentally means almost nothing.

Also, Gideon's roughly on par with Liliana in terms of charisma. They just about it differently. Jace uses telepathy to make up for his lack of charisma on occasion. Chandra and Nissa are both at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to social prowess though. They might draw certain people but that's about the limit of it.

>>52801166
Wasn't there a story during SOI where Jace tried to mind fuck Liliana for information?

>>52799224
It probably go down like this.

>Welp, norn's dead.
>Indeed
>Hey V man. Follow me and I'll find cool new worlds for you to hunt a kill things
>sounds good.

>>52786615
I just realized now that the reason they killed Elspeth was probably her "problematic" boob armour.

>>52804395
Nah, they could've just redressed her. Heliod fucking her over made sense.

>>52804395
Nah. Lilly had problematic armour too and they just chunked her up a bit and put some clothes on her.

>>52802363
So are you saying your lilliana or another mono black that I don't know about?

>>52790249
Grapes used to have decently sized seeds that were solid. You know, back before we bred the absolute shit out of them to be soggy sugar balls.

>>52804594

t. madman who would unironically eat a wild banana

>>52804626
Tree potatoes as we called them.

>>52794094
Planeswalker Spark includes an Omni Translator passive Magic power.
They never mentioned it but it's the only explanation.

>>52804591
I guess. I just thought it was amusing how all the pieces fell in place.

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>>52804567
I mean, we've been complaining about her recent clothes but she was stillusing the problematic one in Origins, so m-maybe we still have a chance of seeing it again?

>>52803122
yes, but he was insane at that point due to the cryptoliths

"It was a silent fight"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CDXNfe2W8c8

>>52802363
>I fit the color pie. How bizarre.
From experience, most people do
I'm UR myself

>>52804921
I'm pretty sure I read an article somewhere about how gross and problematic that art was and how demeaning it was to women everywhere.

>>52805028
I mean, it's not my favorite, but if sauntering along mightily with a crowd of pitiful wretches begging for you is demeaning, I can't imagine what they think empowerment entails.

>>52805053
I might just be imagining it because putting in the research, I can't find the article.

I swear that there was someone that made this huge article criticizing how the female planeswalkers were depicted in Magic Origins though.

>>52805028
>>52805053
She was a huge whore in her background story, though. And she continued whoring around with Jace.

>>52805201
>she is a huge whore
Ftfy

>>52805271
Is she still a whore if she's only fucking Jace though?

>>52805289
Ye. They just don't write about the other dicks.

>>52805289
>only fucking Jace

I dunno man, Ravincia is a big place, with a LOT of people. Who knows what she got up to when no one was looking?

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>>52805289
SHE'S A HUGE BUTTSLUT, MY DUDE.

>>52805322
L-like Teysa?

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>>52805289
TOOK THE WHOLE THING ON THE FIRST TRY.

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>>52805289
SHIT WAS INSANE.

>>52805289
she has her own house on the plane. What do you guess she does there?

>>52805458
Rakdos/Orzhov orgy?

>>52805406
Tesya is for Tajic only anon.

>>52801101

Ugin might be on the same level as Bolas (as they were rhougly the same level pre-mending, and we don't know yet if Ugin's power was altered).

Tamiyo and Ajani are quite more powerful than the jacetice league, even without going bonkers. They're assumed to be some of the most traveled walkers out there, meaning they got quite more mana than Maro's Five.

Daretti from the few things we've seen is pretty low key as walker. He had troubles breaking into a house.

Dovin is also quite stronger than what meets the eye. He was confident enough he could take Tezzeret one on one, and his vision power could kickstrat him even higher, depending on how exactly powerful it is.

>>52804693

They mentioned it a thousand time pre-mending

>>52800421
I also want Garruk to kill Nahiri

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>>52786604
>>52788502
>>52792311
>mfw favorite GW pairing is also best pairing

>>52805905
But Nahiri did nothing wrong

>>52806165

But she did?

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>>52805521
My Nigga, I do miss their adventures, but I rather not hear there story anymore if WotC SJW it up.

>>52806165
>But Nahiri did nothing wrong

Literally nothing could be further from the truth

>>52806487
Tajic's in an Orzhov dungeon and Teysa's effectively back to being a slave of the Obzedat.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/family-values-2015-11-11

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>>52806941
I have a feeling they will get back to that story when we return return. Or more Jactice League shit.

>>52807562
Nah. We'll just get more Teysa while Tajic will be forgotten forever.

I mean, who the fuck is he? What does he have to do with the cute BW boob-window chick?

>>52802777
Still miss angry Nissa. Much more fun than hippy Nissa.

>>52802830
Also interesting, Jace should have an easier time fitting in to any situation than a charismatic person, since he can read minds. But in MtG, every plane has the same social norms.

How come we never get any Liliana less fan art?

>>52806318
>>52806748
Maybe you guys should just remove Sorin's dick from your mouth. She was completely justified in her actions.

>>52807987

Genocide is never justfied, anon, unless it's aimed at the Kor.

>>52795430
... Why would a desert world with only life in a single oasis-city have peoples of different skin pigmentation, though?