Accidental Magical Girl CYOA - Resurrection Edition

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The CYOA's Patron Module, for choosing just who your mysterious benefactor is. Of course, not all of them have your best interests in mind...

...in fact, most of them probably don't care too much about you at all.

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AMGC version 1.14. This is a derivative of the CYOA with combat rules based on Exalted. There's no easy conversion between the two, so keep that in mind.

Additional info, links, modules, and so on can be found on the IRC linkboard:
http://piratepad.net/MGCYOA

Or just drop into IRC for a quick Q&A.

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The SCS was made as an addon to the CYOA to cover the combat side of roleplaying. It allows players to easily take characters made in the CYOA v1.5 and use them in Quests and long-running campaigns alike. Note that this system DOES require you to have a character made in the CYOA in the OP first.

This PDF covers the core rules of gameplay, as well as the methods of improvement and various spells and items magical girls use.

>Expansions to the SCS can be found in this link
http://pastebin.com/kVJmwcj3
These expansions include
>Order & Chaos; Friend & Foe (OC&FF): Details on the mechanical workings of Patrons, Dark Magical Girls, Monster Girls (both natural and corrupted), and also includes a bestiary
>Worlds & Wishes (W&W): Details various GM tools and a few player tools, including the function of Mundane weapons, Alternate/Optional Rules, Various tips and tricks for GMing and Roleplaying, as well as Augments for players looking for a little extra power after CharGen. It also includes the conversion process for AMGC characters into the SCS.

>Mirrors: http://pastebin.com/wTMU8JjX
>Changelog: http://pastebin.com/pzKwa1kD
>Previous Versions: http://pastebin.com/WpKxFQd9
>Character Sheet, which includes a Character Generator: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K_6DplVo1_Kq2orPNUkVEmZb-4edqGBGase2ImIDLQs/edit?usp=sharing

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Rolled 16, 20, 9, 11, 11, 3, 8, 4, 13, 18, 16 = 129 (11d20)

A CYOA is a story prompt, so let's use it as intended. Roll a random character in the CYOA and write a quick one-shot about them. I'll start.

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Does you mahou have scars?

Scars are good when they're meaningful!

This foo's namefaggin'?

What kinda fool be doin' that?

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>>52766879
>that pic
MonGrels pls go

>>52766695
>I'll start
>doesn't start
Mipple pls

>>52766482
psst, post the other pdf's
it's a good excuse to bump the thread

>>52766482
Holy shit, I was wondering what happened to you guys!

>>52768089
We sit in our corners and pretend to be the little girl. Sometimes there's video games.

>>52768125
That sounds (very) depressing.

>>52768155
Mildly.

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>>52767967
Don't actually do this, it pointlessly clutters the thread. Instead, fill it with discussion!

What does your mahou fight for? Family? Friends? Truth, justice, and the American way?

I was wondering where the thread that introduced me to /tg/ went. Nice to see it back

>>52768469
To fulfill contractual obligations and get paid.

>>52767902
Don't rush me, I'm working on it. (Never could do anything half-assed...) I can post what I ended up coining for, though.

Age: 16 (Chosen for 1 Silver)
Body: Undedeveloped (Chosen for 1 Silver)
Specialization: Sound
Weapon: Mystic
Oufit: Elaborate
Power: Hammerspace
Perks:
Disguise Artifact
Mystic Artifact
Masculinity
Eternal Style
Familiar
Purification Artifact + Power Artifact (1 Gold)

We're taking ALL OF THE ARTIFACTS here. Look forward to the results.

Is Torque back or did he actually, fully leave?

>>52766879

Can you actually have multiple heads as a Monster Girl in this?

Can a Monster Girl Fusion have more than one head or set of arms for that matter?

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Rolled 18, 6, 9, 12, 13, 18, 11, 9, 19, 6, 8 = 129 (11d20)

>>52766695

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>>52770796
Age: 14
Body: Underdeveloped (+1 LCK)
Specialization: Sound (+1 AGI, +2 MAG, +1 LCK)
Weapon: Mystic (+1 MAG)
Outfit: Elaborate (+1 MAG)
Power: Regeneration
Perks:
Enhanced Sustenance (+1 VIT)
Blood Magic (+1 VIT)
A Way Out (+1 LCK)
Incognito
Get Out of Jail

Hmmm. I think I can do something with this.

>>52769820
I don't see why not

>>52768469
Basically this >>52769168 but she does enjoy protecting innocents and going on adventures too.

Rolled 3, 18, 1, 9, 1, 19, 15, 12, 9, 1, 19, 2 = 109 (12d20)

>>52766482

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Rolled 12, 13, 5, 8, 6, 6, 18, 1, 1, 12, 8 = 90 (11d20)

>>52768469
This thread seems kind of empty to me. I think it could use a bit of clutter right now.

>>52770872
Regen and blood magic is always a pretty interesting combo, narratively.

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Does your mahou have any powerful friends?

>>52779507
She's got a cat. Cats are the most powerful of nekomancers. It is known.

>>52779507
No, she's a murderhobo, like God intended.

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>>52779507
Yes.

..."friends" might be stretching it a bit, though.

>>52766502
Can you take monster options with Beacon?

>>52781489
No. You sort of used to be able to with the White Coin but that was kind of retarded.

>>52768089
The people who made >>52766608 shitpost the thread every time it's up, and killed the IRC chat. Either someone leaves or more drama blows out so we prefer to keep a low profile.

>>52777084
Shh, it's nice to have a quiet thread. If we have to have a thread at all.

>>52769820
That doesn't fit the Magical Girl theme, it's too edgy.

>>52781889
>The people who made >>52766608 shitpost the thread every time it's up, and killed the IRC chat. Either someone leaves or more drama blows out so we prefer to keep a low profile.
The people who made >>52766608 aren't even here anymore, lol. They left months before these threads stopped appearing.

Okay how do you work this shit?
In what order are you supposed to run through the pdfs?

>>52782634
There are two PnP systems: AMG Core and SCS
AMG Core uses the IRC at #MGCYOA https://www.rizon.net/chat
SCS uses the Discord Server at https://discord.gg/P9FWQ
If you want to try SCS, use the OP pdf first, then the Patrons pdf, and finally the 4th, SCS pdf
If you want to try AMGC, use the 3rd. blue pdf. It has everything you need.
You can start in one system and switch to the other later though, they're somewhat interchangable.
My advice to you is to try both places first and get a feel for them, then decide which community you like more.

Rolled 16, 17, 3, 15, 2, 9, 18, 7, 16, 20, 1 = 124 (11d20)

okay shit let's see if I can get this shit anywhere

Rolled 2 (1d20)

>>52782725
>Age: 12
Okay, this is okay. I'm okay with this.
>Body: Overdeveloped
Motherfuck. No matter, I guess I'll just look like some 15 year old or something?
>Specialisation: Air
Cool. Green's a nice colour.
>Weapon: Mystic, Fist
>>Air Tear, Punchy L & R
Aww. Oh well.
>Outfit: Skimpy
Hmm.
>Power: Barrage
>Perks
>>Purification Artefact
>>Enhanced Transformation
>>Familiar
>>Fake Parents
>>Interdimensional Tourist
>Str: 8
>Agi: 10
>Vit: 6
>Mag: 7
>Luck: 6

I guess?
Rolling for patron?

>>52782969
Okay how does patron thing work?
You pick a drawback for each benefit on the rolled/chosen patron?

>>52769820
Multiple head are cute! Cute!

>>52781489
Probably? It's a CYOA; if you think it'll make an interesting story, do it.

>>52782634
Ignore the PnP systems; unbalanced poorly-designed trash. Roll on the main PDF to start with. Do Corruption and Patrons optionally. Then throw it out and do something better with your life.

>>52782686
>implying the irc is an alternative to discord
irc is dead as a door nail

>>52784074
Careful! we want the fucking idiots to go to what's left of the IRC The Discord is for smart people, like content creators and system devs

>>52769203
Meet Nathan Moran. He's kind of a fuckup.
https://pastebin.com/uiPDKGix

I liked the idea of ALL OF THE ARTIFACTS. A character that gets by with gadgets, and not their own powers, sounded like fun. The rest grew out of that.

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>>52784546
>...But he still can't get a day job.

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Rolled 11, 2, 12, 20, 20, 20, 9, 17, 17, 5, 19 = 152 (11d20)

>>52784546
May as well set up another one while I'm here.

Since the SCS has expansions explained in greentext, should Core have its' explained in the thread to or leave it in the piratepad?
... Does anyone still use Core?

>>52766608
>>52766623

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>>52785790
idk everything's a bit of a confusing mess desu

>>52785790
Eeeh.
I vote no. It's never been a problem before and the link is there.
Considering how Ai-n made his expansions blatantly magical realm that's another point in favor of keeping it unlisted from the thread.

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>>52786329
>blatantly magical realm

>>52785068
Blue Nanoha? What?

Rolled 20, 16, 13, 18, 1, 15, 10, 14, 8, 18, 5 = 138 (11d20)

Anyone mind posting another link to that discord server? This one's expired

Rolled 10, 12, 18, 8, 15, 17, 14, 9, 18, 5, 16 = 142 (11d20)

Rolled 9, 3, 11, 8, 7, 10, 1, 4, 19 = 72 (9d20)

>>52789644

>>52789644
>>52789956
I'll think up a story later.
emergency
Age 16
Body average +vit
stats
str 7+1+1+1 3 bronze
agi 6+1+1+1+1 1 silver
vit 6+1+1+1+1 1 silver
mag 7+1 1silver,bronze
luck 4
Specialization Beast +vit
Weapon BFG (ranged) & BFS (melee) 1 gold
Outfit elaborate
Power regeneration
Perks +1vit ally, blood magic, eternal style, interdimensional home, war familiar, flexibility, wings

Ally
stats
str 4+1
agi 4+1+1
vit 4+2
mag 10+1+1+1
luk 4
age 15
underdeveloped
illusion change to light
ranged/mystic
flowing
barrage
dual weapon, mystic artifact, awareness

>>52788383
https://discord.gg/xnNzE

>>52792465
If I show up in the Discord, will Maid consume my Immortal Soul? - Tawa

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Rolled 1, 19, 5, 8, 13, 12, 10, 17, 7, 4, 1 = 97 (11d20)

>>52781889

>That doesn't fit the Magical Girl theme, it's too edgy.

What about the Monster Girl theme?

>>52792873
Yes.

>>52793078
Maid noooooooooooo.

>>52768469
>having obligations
>not being born from a line of badass people with the same title

inferior mahou shoujos

>>52793236
... Sailor Mercury?

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>>52792963
>Age 7
Body: developped ( look 10!)
Reinforcement
Ranged
Elaborate
Power of friendship
Hammerspace
Wings
Environmental sealing
Training (Fairy tales)
Dual weapon ranged/mystic (cute book)

Str 7 Mag 10
Agi 8 Lk 9
Vit 8


Sorta all over the place. I guess I'll gather some allies and we'll have cute adventure together

>>52779507
Yeah, she considers Jace to be a friend.

Rolled 5, 10, 6, 14, 2, 14, 12, 5, 14, 2, 16 = 100 (11d20)

Don't you ever leave /tg/ again.
Anyway, time to roll a new girl.

>>52794320
Age: 11
Body: Average

In-Costume Stats:
STR: 4
AGI: 6
VIT: 5
MAG: 20 (-4 Silver) (-4 Bronze)
LCK: 8

Out of costume:
STR: 3
AGI: 3
VIT: 4
MAG: 4
LCK: 5

Specialization: Psychic
Weapon: Mystic
Outfit: Skimpy
Power: Duplication
Perks: Enhanced Outfit, Gifted, Overcity Shift, Closure, Sorcery, Money, Interdimensional Home (-1 Gold)

Also, putting it all on MAG

>>52794605
>Also, putting it all on MAG
THE ABSOLUTE MAGMAN.

>>52794605
Well I mean they ARE "magical" girls...

Why'd you Gold out for Interdimensional Home, though? You're never going to have ALL THE MAG like that.

>>52784074
Obvious and frankly tired bait, but 1/10 because you made me reply

>>52785790
On the Discord? Probably not
On the IRC? Everyone uses Core

>>52795751
Fuck, you're right. I wasn't thinking.

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shitposters pls go

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Is your mahou friends with any monster girls?

EMERGENCY

13 YO

AVERAGE +1 AGI

LIGHTNING +2 AGI +1 MAG

RANGED +1AGI

UNIFORM +1 VIT

TWINNED SOUL// BNZ// FOCUSED ATTACK

+1 VIT, BLOOD MAGIC
AWARENESS
INTERDIMENSIONAL HOME
MONEY
PURIFICATION ARTIFACT
GIFTED +1 AGI
ENHANCED TRANSFORMATION

STR 4
AGI 18 (4+2(LIGHTNING)+1(PERK)+1(AVERAGE)+1(RANGED)+4(GLD)+2(SIL*1)+2(BNZ*2)+1(PHYSICAL PROWESS))
VIT 11 (4+1(PERK)+1(UNIFORM)+4(SIL*2)+1(BNZ*1))
MAG 5 (4+1(LIGHTNING))
LCK 4

PUCHUU

CONCERNED
JOB SATISFACTION
ISOLATED
CAGEY
PHYSICAL PROWESS (+1 AGI)

Gotta go F A S T

>>52799354
That's not even the fastest character I've seen. Benchmark, though, how fast is she?

>>52798199
Remove Shitposters!
Remove Core!
DELET THIS!

>>52798368
A few, but they're generally a bad influence on her

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>>52798199

>>52795751
all magical girls have potential for magic, though :^)

Rolled 16, 4, 12, 12, 18, 5, 16, 16, 18, 2, 8 = 127 (11d20)

Rolled 1, 11, 7, 9, 13, 4, 5, 6, 4, 18, 17 = 95 (11d20)

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>>52798368
Is she at least being a good influence on them?

>>52807025
She hopes so, but it's hard to tell :(

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What does your mahou do in her spare time?

>>52807637

Manage a crime syndicate, moon shine, boot leg, fund terrorism, sleep in a dumpster, armed robbery, build highly destructive machines, work out, arson, sink ships, summon foul spirits and conceptualize the advent of an "enlightened" Humanity.

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>>52807637

>>52808059

Forgot to add experimenting on people and sending out pirate television broadcasts.

>>52807637
Practice swordplay, run laps, and RECITING ONE-LINERS.

Holy shit this is back!

Anyway I always felt that this thing was lacking in options for Dark Magical Girls.

>>52808059
Isn't this that Not!Abyssal MonG(rel)?

>>52766623
Damn, it's hard to believe this homebrew isn't commercial. It BTFO's Magical Burst and Big Eyes.

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>>52810752
Good news: Corrupted magic will be represented in the spellbook when it finally comes out!
Bad news: the spellbook has been delayed a lot cause I was busy and now looking back on what I had managed to make before... eh I'm not really satisfied
Good news again: I've made a lot of progress on the new version, so it might be out in just over a week's time.
Bad news: if it's not out by then, which it very well might not be, then I won't be able to continue working on it much until the end of next term which will be like, another ten weeks.

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>>52810752
>>52812196
Oh also this is an AMGC spellbook, not compatible with SCS, though it will include rules for Ice as if it was still its own specialisation in Core.

>>52782634
Depends what you want to do. Want to just do the CYOA and maybe writefag a bit? Do the Pink pdfs. First >>52766482, then >>52766502.

If you want to hop on the IRC and roleplay, just do >>52766608, and refer back to the pink pdfs as sort of setting documents.

If you want to hop on the Discord and roleplay, use the Pink pdfs and then use >>52766623 to get stats for the build you create.

Grain of salt - I haven't been on either chat location in months. Or ever, in the case of Discord. But that's how it was a while back.

>>52782992
Patron is 'roll or choose patron' Once you've done that, you get a base package of 2 benefits and 2 drawbacks, and one freebie benefit. Your base package can be modified by swapping benefits or drawbacks from those on the alternate lists for your patron. If you want MORE benefits, you take more drawbacks. How many additional drawbacks you can take is determined by your patron.

>>52781489
Only if you go Beacon/Mint. Which... might not be WISE, but is possible.

In other news, I'm not dead, neither is my writefaggotry, and I'll eventually get round to making a more or less final pass on the CYOA once I actually get my editing software working again. Maybe I should actually jump into the IRC/Discord tonight just to show face.

>>52810813

No, those are her friends actually.

>>52813424
I thought they were just using her as an odds to an end?

>>52813415
Q-QB! Welcome back!
I've been having trouble with writing a spec tree for Sound that feels 'unique' to them without being overly complicated. How do you think Sound users should fight?
What should be their priorities: combat, or support, or just a mixture? Which way do they lean? Also, what sets them apart from other specs, in terms of fighting style?

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>>52809301
>pirate television broadcasts
A true fiend

>>52813415
>Patron is 'roll or choose patron' Once you've done that, you get a base package of 2 benefits and 2 drawbacks, and one freebie benefit. Your base package can be modified by swapping benefits or drawbacks from those on the alternate lists for your patron. If you want MORE benefits, you take more drawbacks. How many additional drawbacks you can take is determined by your patron.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

>>52813924
Sound is a grab-bag. They'll have a mix of attack, debuff, and support magic. What they won't have is any good single target spells. Sound is largely about big area effects, but not terribly strong ones.

So an area buff, an area debuff, a couple area attacks. Probably some utility via echolocation or mimicry.

>>52813415
The IRC stopped roleplaying, but I understand their general chat is still going strong.
Discord would be happy to have you! For roleplay, if you wanted, and for the ooc chatter.

>>52817033
>The IRC stopped roleplaying
The fuck is this?
The IRC roleplays more than the Discord, as far as I'm aware. There's usually at least one channel full, and often three or four.
But don't take my word for it: come in and see for yourself

>>52817082
That's incorrect. Discord has almost twice or more the number of active members around than the IRC has on one of its good days. Our roleplay channel activity reflects this.
Stop shilling and causing drama. You obviously aren't in Discord, so you have no right to talk about it.

>>52807637
Serve alcohol to minors.

>>52812196
Shouldn't you be doing your homework, kiddo?

>>52817500
I'm not the one who claimed the IRC had stopped roleplaying.
Exactly how many people are there in the Discord anyway, shitposter-kun? And who are they, so I know you're telling the truth?

>>52817033
IRC still roleplays but it's basically all freeform now.

>>52817849
School holidays senpai

>>52817500
Is this a fucking joke? I am in the Discord, and it has RP, but to say that it's double the IRC is ridiculous.

Shoo shoo, shitposter, stop making us look like cunts

>>52817936
>Shoo shoo, shitposter, stop making us look like cunts
This, I might actually have joined by now if it wasn't for all the shitposting that's been going on in this thread. I hope it's just some faggot trying to give you guys a bad name.

>>52817964
Everyone knows the shitposter is one of the cunts who used to run #mgcyoa with a grudge against Maid.
Don't respond to the bait.

>>52818501
>Don't respond to the bait.
Don't throw more bait on the hook then, mate.

>>52817936
>but to say that it's double the IRC is ridiculous.
This. It has maybe... 5-6 active people. IRC has about 10-12 who are regularly active.

>>52817862
Except for the handful of quests that are being run.

>>52817082
Recently, we've had all the main channels filled! Plus how people tend to do RPs in PM.

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Sup imoutos? Still working out kinks in the lists I was working on, it is EXTREMELY slow going, I get maybe an hour to play test and edit every few days. Glad to see it was dropped from the OP finally. Sorry this is taking so long but with health issues, medical expenses and job plus home hunting... You know that whole chestnut, life kicking you repeatedly until you're stuck in the fetal position.

Be excellent to each other, Riri knows you can do it!

Rolled 9, 2, 6, 1, 6, 19, 2, 13, 7, 17, 15, 2 = 99 (12d20)

>>52818983
Oh, for a moment I thought you were working on a list of kinks to roll for

>>52818983
D-don't call me that, nee-chan. It's embarrassing...

>>52818983
Are you still wanted by the FBI?

>>52821088
I was never "wanted", but they insisted on talking with me and prying into every aspect of my life while I was helping a friend report fraudulent checks being distributed. Since I refused to identify myself or provide them with any information regarding who I am, they made it a higher priority to get information out of me than actually handle the fucking case. Fortunately, all those who were so negligent are no longer with the agency for which they worked do to their actions and I'm working on defamation and harassment charges against them as well.

>>52821394
Are the rumours about you fist fighting Skinwalkers with your bare hands true or false?

>>52822509

You can ask me this during my next AMA on /x/.
>Which is likely never.

But yes, there is some truth there. It was only the one and that was the only time that I experienced fear in my adult life. They guy was hopped up on something nasty and wearing animal skins, moving like something between a bear and gorilla. He broadcast is movements way too much though, so that was the only reason why I stood my ground.

>>52821394
Also I meant "DUE to their actions", not "do". Holy shit I can't type...

Drakon you aren't supposed to inherit my typos amd add that double posting during my absence.

>>52822906
I am pissing blood right now, cut me some slack!

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>>52769387
I haven't been back on IRC but I have made some system progress. The main stats are balanced, I've made a sample spec, and the techniques are all balanced (I could maybe run through unarmed one more time though). I'm working on powers at the moment.

Rolled 15, 11, 8, 1, 10, 16, 13, 16, 20, 3, 3 = 116 (11d20)

>>52811867
IIRC, JDC is studyin' game design. Something like that.

I wonder what I'll get...

>>52825838
>>52811867
I used to do mechanics design professionally. I mostly dropped out because of a number of conflicts I had with the marketing and business sides of game development souring up the experience for me. Long story short, I don't get along with bean counters being able to tell game devs what to do without any talk-back. In hindsight, I was probably really immature about it, but I'm happy just applying myself as a trained hobbyist these days.

>Ranged + Skimpy
Naisu desu ne.

>>52826245
Game development is just too strongly tied to business development. Have you considered going independent?

>>52826351
I have. Decided I'd rather just make games for fun and on my own time, and study business law as an actual long-term career.

My mechanical chops have always been good, it's just that I can't really cope with people that have no business telling me what to do doing just that.

>>52826380
I've tried doing game dev on the side (evenings and weekends) and it does not work out at all. You lose too much momentum from context shifting and you also sacrifice too much of your life to do it.

A strong game is necessary but not sufficient for good business. If you can make a good business as well, I'd highly recommend going indie so long as game dev is your passion.

>>52826411
My eventual plan is to study up on business law and be able to competently run a studio that can understand its own hurdles in the market and legal arenas without sacrificing too much in development.

It's a pipe dream, but it's something.

So far, it hasn't been impossible. A lot of my best game development is inspiration-based, so gaps in development aren't enough to make me lose momentum. It means I'm shit at deadlines unless I push myself, but when you make your own deadlines that doesn't mean as much.

>>52826455
Don't get intimdiated by the law side of it all. There is very little you need to know until you scale up your business, in which case you probably want more than just a very sparingly utilized consultant. The much more important part is being able to take your inspiration and bottle it into effective business tools. Your product has to both embody what makes your inspiration great and also serve as an efficient, useful building block for your business success.

Boilerplate contract generators are plentiful and LLC guides are everywhere, including what to do on taxes and how to manage IPs.

Definitely grab a buddy who is known for scheduling or making deadlines early.

>>52825320
This looks really good, but be careful about some of those big changes. You're halfway through to making a completely new system at this point, which while not necessarily a bad thing, might undermine your efforts later on if people decide not to switch to it.

>>52827130
That's certainly a concern that I've kept in mind. It's hard to say where the right balance lies, especially since I've taken on the task of doing it alone. I think I've generally made good decisions though.

Are there any particular pieces that stand out to you? To me the standout change in this update was how Luck works, but I think it works a lot better thematically and I know it works better mechanically.

>>52827130
>>52828276
I honestly do not have many concerns regarding the system for what it was, though perks can be a little odd to work with at first, the real trouble here is still, in my opinion, the spell lists. Again, still working on that. Only the Fire list has completed all play testing that I've put it through.

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>>52828682
I think it's likely that you haven't paid a lot of attention to the combat flow and balance then. My first update talked about some of the issues you should probably care about.

>>52828276
Well, you've changed a lot of things that needed changing, but you also added some mechanics that sort of bloat the system, like for example, stamina and the effects that use it

>>52828682
>actually playtesting your spells
bah, balance is overrated

>>52829214
Stamina is necessary to incentivize investing in strength. It also serves a key role in balancing techniques. I've also removed and streamlined other aspects, such as FP and combat math, which should make up for the inconvenience of tracking stamina.

>>52829231
>not playtesting your own content
Get a load of this fucking scrub.

>>52829296
>Not playtesting every change 20,000 times in a simulator.

>>52829313
>Only 20,000
>Not using a hyperbolic time chamber for testing so you can get over 1m data points before lunch.

Rolled 12, 20, 10, 6, 3, 3, 20, 1, 19, 13, 20 = 127 (11d20)

>>52766482
Haven't done one of these in a while. Let's see what happens. And we'll toss on a Patron too because why not.

>>52829275
Well, all right, I'll give it a go when it's out

>>52829343
You win this one.

>>52829598
I'm glad to hear that! Truthfully, I would be happier if stamina and mana were lumped together into one resource, but I think the idea of strength giving you mana requires too much contrived justification.

>>52829296
>your own content
>implying I created any significant portion of the spells I'm publishing
>implying even the spells I have created aren't based on stuff made by other people at some point
>implying I deserve any credit for the spellbook I'm compiling

>>52829313
>not using a calculator to determine the actual statistical probability of an effect being successful, and the likely precise outcome of that effect
Pathetic

>>52825838
>>52826245
Melee and Flowing. Which is bad, I want something else, because I ALREADY ROLLED THAT.

Alrighty, though...

ORIGIN: Death (extra silver coin)
Age 11, I don't really care, sure, let's go with this. Average Body, Agility +1*.
Lightning Specialization, Magic +1, Agility +2
Ranged Weapon, Agility +1 (Bronze Coin, changed from Melee). Skimpy Outfit, Agility +1 (Bronze Coin, changed from Flowing)
Power of the Third Eye (why do i roll this)
Healing Artifact. Sorcery, Magic +1*. (Magnifying static generated.) Fake Parents. Fated, Luck +1*. Enhanced Weapon, Agility +1.

Strength: 4 (3)
Agility: 9 (4)
Vitality: 4 (3)
Magic: 6 (4)
Luck: 5 (4)

Alright, a kid whose parents are actually not her real parents, and it turns out the right hand of her real mom was preserved up until she accidentally opens the freezer, and touches the hand. No, her dad wasn't Kira, shut up, JDC.

But now... her right hand has LIGHTNING POWERS, and her left hand has a gun! That shoots lightning balls! Sometimes, she can shoot bigger lightning balls by using both hands!

They call her... Thunder Breaker, the Lightning-Fast Justice!

>>52829528
Wow, that's the first time I've ever rolled a magical *boy*. Weird.

>>52829647
The most likely outcome of an individual effect isn't useful information if you're balancing within a greater context. You want to take into account the impact of every possible outcome on future outcomes, culminating in a win or loss. Doing such a thing in closed-form would be nigh-impossible and certainly an enormous waste of time compared to the alternative of simulation.

>>52829747
Depends. I tend to use websites with automatic calculators that do the vast majority of the work for me. Even making a full statistical distribution isn't that hard as long as you're not trying to map like 10 sets of rolls or something.
Unless I'm trying to do something really complicated like 'see which spec beats which' which isn't something you can really do with a simulator anyway since people different people play their specs differently and what environment you're fighting in can have an enormous effect on the outcome of a fight depending on your spec.

>>52829826
You certainly can do those sorts of complicated things. I've done it with my tech system and am now doing it with powers. You won't cover every possibility, but you'll do a lot better than guessing.

Rolled 19, 14, 10, 1, 5, 17, 13, 17, 1, 6, 5 = 108 (11d20)

>>52766482
Let's see where this leads.

>>52829914
How do you normally do it?
I wouldn't call what I do guessing: it's actually fairly easy to predict the results cause the specs in my spellbook are designed to excel at certain things, and just pitting two mahous against each other isn't really an accurate way to gauge how useful each spec is, especially since each has a whole list of spells that are a lot more complicated to deal with than a single power each.

>>52829826
>>52829914
I actually don't do much testing unless I'm working on a mechanical overhaul. I do some stat testing with common spreads and the popular specs, but I usually just do some in-house testing and then release it. I keep an eye on it just in case I miss something big, and issue a patch if it's a problem. I do try to make sure big issues don't crop up, though.

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>>52829969
Pic related.

What you're describing is an educated guess based on experience, but it can still be very wrong. I think I have pretty good instincts on what should work, but the data-based approach proves much better.

Admittedly, some spells are harder to balance than others. There's no correct answer to "how much of an advantage should water spec have near water", but there are limits of acceptability and many other questions do have clear answers. Part of the problem with AMGC is that it wasn't balanced from the ground up. The power of one build or spec vs another is practically random.

>>52830006
This is the standard that most people expect in RPGs, including or maybe especially professionally-made ones. Since I'm pursuing my ideal system and I'm pretty arrogant, I want to do better.

>>52830219
That simulation does seem useful in certain situations but again, different specs might be useful in different situations. Lightning will do great in PvP scenarios because they only have to fight one target. Sound will be at a comparative disadvantage, as they're designed to fight multiple targets at once. I don't think it's possible to say which specs are better than which others, as long as each is equally good at fulfilling their own niche (and each niche is equally reasonably useful, or at least each spec has fair weaknesses to counterbalance having more frequently required niches).

>>52830219
>Image
Oh. Developmental Phase. I was referring to post-development content. I don't break out the bar charts that often, but I do a lot more hardcore math during core development than I do now with the SCS.

Keep up the good work.

>>52830267
Homework. Now.

>>52830267
Right, but you might want to quantify how much better lightning is in one situation vs another. One potential complication is that burst damage is actually quite good in battles with multiple participants because lots of burst will remove opponents from the field. That's something I saw firsthand in one of my early versions of Ranged. They were balanced in duels but their burst was high, which made them overpowered in 2v2s.

Rolled 2, 15, 9, 16, 15, 3, 4, 15, 8, 18, 3 = 108 (11d20)

>>52766482
Dice Roll!

>>52830339
Joke's on you: I'm already studying! Got a textbook in front of me
>>52830343
Well, I plan to make spells a lot less capable of burst damage in general. In fact, all of my attack spells are single-target unless explicitly stated otherwise. That way they can be balanced so that spells that deal burst damage are adequately priced and given an adequate amount of strength for their spec

I could try to quantify these things, and running a calculation to find out how much damage you'll tend to deal could be useful, but eh... as long as you never really know how many enemies you're going to fight or how tough they'll be, how many dice they'll roll, etc, it's pretty futile to run complex simulations in my opinion.

>>52830391
It's futile if the base of the game isn't balanced and nobody has any idea what to expect, which is the case with AMGC. That's a big part of why I'm balancing from the ground up. Once I have powers, perks, and patrons done I can make monsters and demonstrate their lethality in objective terms. Like a CR system, except that it actually works. Just because you want RPS effects to exist in the game doesn't mean that a concrete standard should be neglected.

>>52829528
Rolled 12, 20, 10, 6, 3, 3, 20, 1, 19, 13, 20 = 127 (11d20)

Age: Rolled 12, subtract 10 and add 6, so 8 years old.

Body: Rolled 20, Overdeveloped. +1 STR or VIT. Choose +1 VIT.

Specialization: Rolled 10, Darkness. +2 STR or MAG, +1 VIT. Choose +2 STR.

Weapon: Rolled 6, Ranged. +1 AGI.

Outfit: Rolled 3, Skimpy. +1 AGI.

Power: Rolled 3, Hammerspace.

Combat Perks:

Rolled 20, Power Artifact. Copies something from another specialization.
Rolled 1, Dual Weapon. +1 to stat associated with weapon's second type. Applies to both weapons if you have two.

Support Perks:

Rolled 19, +1 LCK, A Way Out. Can commit sudoku.
Rolled 13, +1 LCK, Masculinity. Well allrighty then.

Omni-Perk:

Rolled 20, take Power Artifact again. Spend a silver coin to move the original Power Artifact to Enhanced Weapon. +1 to any stat the weapon gives, applies to both if you have two.

Spend gold coin to get a second (Dual), (Enhanced) weapon.

Weapons: Ranged/Fist and Melee/Mystic. After Dual Weapon and Enhanced Weapon modifiers, they become (+1 AGI, +4 STR) and (+1 VIT, +1 STR, +3 MAG).

Coins remaining: 4 bronze, 1 silver.

Current Stats: STR 11, AGI 7, VIT 7, MAG 7, LCK 6.

Spend 4 Bronze to add +1 STR, AGI, VIT, and MAG. Spend 1 Silver to add +2 STR.

Final Stats: STR 14, AGI 8, VIT 8, MAG 8, LCK 6.

cont.

>>52830510
Patron Stuff: Horror and Ebon Mint. Can take up to three extra drawbacks.

Horror Drawbacks Chosen: Mind-Bent, Fearsome Reputation, Bane (Light Magic), Insomnia.
Generic Drawback Chosen: Big Brother.
5 total drawbacks. Therefore choose 5 benefits, +1 free one from Generic benefits list.
Horror Benefits Chosen: Minions, Reasonable.
Generic Benefits Chosen: Mana Font, Retrieval, Supplier, Gifted Item (Mystic Artifact)

Ebon Mint Black Coin: Monsterboy mode. Gain Magical Overload and Monstrous Form.

Black Mutations: Chaos Engine (Mind), Destroyer (Mind).
Green Mutations: Amorphous Body +2 VIT and Flexibility (Body), Second Specialization: Illusion (+2 STR, +1 VIT, +1 LCK) (Soul)

Why was this character chosen: Emergency. Gain two combat perks. Choose Monstrous Metamorphosis (+2 STR, AGI, VIT when transformed) and Enhanced Sustenance (+1 VIT)

Final Monstrous Stats: STR 16 (+2), AGI 8 (+2), VIT 12 (+2), MAG 8, LCK 7.

Fluff:

8 years old should be a fun period for any child. They should be going to school, making lots of new friends, learning all kinds of useful things. Their big sister should not have been killed in front of them. They should not have lost their parents in a horrible tragedy. They should never have learned those family members all worked for the Ebon Mint. Or that a creature from beyond this realm also cherished his family's souls. The boy was never meant to serve either power, an accidental pregnancy the whole family agreed to keep separate from their work as long as possible and that both Ebon Mint and patron deemed irrelevant. Yet, here he is.

cont.

>>52830464
Torque pls. Trust me, I REALLY don't want RPS effects to exist in the game. This isn't about RPS: different specs will always occupy different niches just because their powers are different. Illusion can never attack as well as Lightning, and Lightning will never be able to deceive or toy with their opponents as well as Illusion.
I don't know what you mean by a CR system, by the way.

Anyway, I think it sounds like this is starting to get heated, so I'm just gonna wish you good luck with your project and get back to studying, and maybe tinkering with my spellbook a little.

On a side note: Drakon, how long do you think it'll be until you release your spellbook? Also, how are you designing yours? Are you focusing your designs more on fluff or for maximising crunch fairness?
Just wondering, cause I'm hoping our spellbooks will be different enough that they don't end up clashing or competing or anything.

>>52830526
Both the Ebon Mint and his unnamed “patron” have focused their energies into this child to make up for their losses, blasting him with power which would overwhelm far more mature beings. Yet perhaps his youth saved him, his genes and flesh still malleable enough to contain such changes, if only barely. He wears no clothing, shrouded only in veils of black energy and shimmering illusions. Stare too closely and madness will inevitably follow. Push the boy to the limit and he transforms into an amorphous hurricane of chaotic energy, lashing out with ever-changing “weapons” spawned from whim and nightmare.

The boy sleeps rarely, yet when he does his master calls to him from the blackness. He is a ghost in the machine, shrouded in darkness and warped afterimages wherever he goes. It is clear that his patron and the Ebon Mint are fully aware of each other, and they both try to get a leg up on one another in incomprehensible ways. Enemies one day, allies the next, the true relationship between the two is utterly impossible to unravel. A creature of shadows and trickery, his patron is almost playful compared to most of its type. It hates the powers of light and enjoys nothing more than bringing the plans of those who walk by day to ruin.

The beast loves to unravel and destroy, but seems to also desire humanity's protection as a whole. It frowns on artificial illumination, desiring only starlight at night. It especially despises atomic fire, and actively works to sabotage nuclear facilities and weapons. It is the constellations, and the stories mankind once told about them. It is the dim flickering of a torch held in primitive hands, casting dancing shadows on a cave wall and blurring the lines between reality and fantasy. It is the peace and the terror of midnight blackness, where the eye invents its own angels and demons.

Autism Satisfied, now I can relax. r8 and h8 or whatever yall do with these builds.

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>>52830541
Pic related?

>>52830540
>I REALLY don't want RPS effects to exist in the game.
There's nothing wrong with inherent counters, soft or hard.

>I don't know what you mean by a CR system.
CR is a D&D term that stands for "Challenge Rating". It's supposed to be an indicator of the rough strength of a foe as compared to a party of 4 decent adventurers of that level. There's a lot of problems with it, though, namely that it ONLY takes into consideration the basic abilities of the monster, assumes that it's a party of 4, doesn't take into account acute minmaxing (which is rampant in D&D), and doesn't account for deviations in equipment (either up or down from average).

>>52830580
Ah, thanks. That does actually seem pretty handy, but it's not going to be easy.

Again, good luck Torque.

>>52830576
Might be, but if so it's a coincidence. I don't know what your picture is unfortunately.

This anon >>52830580 already answered everything, but I'll post anyways since I bothered to type it up.

>>52830540
I think maybe you're reading RPS more literally than I am. When I say RPS, I mean that one is better than the other in one scenario, with the other being better in a different scenario. The two things are also balanced in the importance/frequency of the scenarios. A good game (in my opinion) has that nash equilibrium of decisions that you find in RPS.

By CR system I mean like what D&D and Pathfinder use to rate how challenging encounters are for players. It gives a ballpark estimate, but is very breakable. It's a lot better than nothing, though.

Oh, it wasn't my intent to make you angry or sound like I am. I'm just explaining the point behind me making a simulator to improve the system.

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>>52830729
Sorry to jump in like this, but how do you intend to provide variety, and make sure that something isn't always better then another thing?

>>52830729
Oh, my bad, I thought you were accusing me of favouring literal RPS, heh.
Well, in that case, yeah I favour a reasonable amount of RPS. Honestly I think it's inevitable when we're dealing with specs

>>52830762
I don't mind at all. I think I've done that fairly well so far, if you look at the first PDF I posted. You can give me your opinion on whether or not the different builds feel different enough.

My approach has generally been to assign roles to different stats and techniques and then run them through simulated combat. I continue to iterate until I'm satisfied. For example, I have strength melee builds as being strong but less flexible due to their lower technique count (compared to coordination-based builds). Mystic is more flexible still. Melee has an advantage at close range. Melee with a splash of the coordination attribute is better able to adapt, but not quite as pure-strength in the latter's specialty area.

I try to make sure everything has its place, although with a sufficiently complex game it's hard to say that no choice is strictly dominated by another. There's also the fact that my mechanical balance is a means to an end, where that end is play enjoyment. I want to be able to play a character that I imagine and have it be in the same ballpark as other players. It doesn't have to be exact, but it has to be close. I think that's something I can do with my design.

>>52830887
*but not quite as strong as pure-strength in the latter's specialty area

>>52830805
No problem, it's been a while since we've talked so maybe the friendly background isn't there to soften things as much.

>>52830762
Fuck you and your tiny micrododge bullets you goddamn luck item. Go back to the moon and take your NEET princess with you.

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>>52829957
Origin: Emergency
Age: 15
Body: Normal
Specialization: Darkness
Weapon: Melee+Ranged
Outfit: Skimpy II
Power: Regeneration
Perks: Healing Artifact, Wings, Dual Weapon (Shifted), Incognito, Gifted
Emergency Perks: Flexibility, Enhanced Outfit

STR 4 -> 10
AGI 5 -> 15
VIT 3 -> 10
MAG 3 -> 6
LCK 3 -> 4

Gold: AGI
Silver: STR, AGI, MAG
Bronze: VIT x4

Whoa, okay then. First time I ever rolled without wanting to spend a single coin on non-stat purchases.

>>52830908
Just come join the IRC more often~

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>>52807637
>>52810529
better representation of what i wanted to say

Rolled 14, 17, 1, 14, 6, 5, 17, 16, 11, 4, 20 = 125 (11d20)

>>52766482

Rolled 19, 10 = 29 (2d20)

>>52834916
Artifact, Purification Artifact
10
Overdeveloped +1 Vit
Fire, coin, Oddball +2 Mag +1 Lck
Mystic +1 Mag
Flowing +1 Str
Twinned Soul -1 All
Perks: Wings, Sorcery +1 Mag, Big Backpack Silver coin to Soul Jar, Training, Power Artifact

Ebon Mint and Lesser Force Patrons
Drawbacks: Debt, Betrayal, Limited, Alien Mind
Benefits: Black Coin, Non-Exclusivity, Focused, Subtle, Mana Font
Black Coin is spent to become Dark Magical Girls with the Power of Friendship

Str 4
Agi 3
Vit 4
Mag 15
Lck 4

Gold on Mag
2 Silvers on Mag
3 Bronze on Mag

Roll for Twin Weapon and Outfit

>>52835882
Lol, so the Twin is stronger than the Original by a point but weaker magically by 1.

Str 5
Agi 3
Vit 4
Mag 14
Lck 4

>>52833446
Coach is a puchuu.

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>>52831382
Wrong bunny, buddy.

Rolled 19, 6, 8, 1, 19, 20, 8, 9, 11, 7, 19, 15 = 142 (12d20)

>>52837057
It all makes sense now.

That aside, I should probably pastebin that build I made, might come in handy later.

Rolled 6, 17, 16, 11, 1, 12, 17, 20, 10, 1, 17, 3 = 131 (12d20)

>>52837093
Fuck you and your arrows you goddamn furniture. Go back to the territory and take your HAG witch with you

Rolled 6, 9, 17, 2, 17, 8, 9, 3, 18, 2, 17 = 108 (11d20)

>>52766482

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Stat her!

>>52843018
Origin: Bloodline
Body: Average (AGIi)
Spec: Ice (MAG)
Outfit: Flowing
Weapon: Dunno, FIST I guess.
Power: Barrage
Perks: Gifted, Sorcery, Eternal Style, Natural Aging, Familiar

STR 7
AGI 5
VIT 5
MAG 23 (All coins.)
LUK 4

Patron is probably an ice deity, or maybe Olaf is a puchuu.

Either way she's probably got Mana Font or Mystic Might.

>>52843614
I'd say she has a fair amount of Luck, just by being the virtue of a Disney princess, no?

>>52843822
But she's not. She's the queen, Anna is the princess.

I mean, if you wanted to you could swap Sorcery for Fated, but I don't think she's got particularly high Luck, considering she manages to accidentally spear her sister in the heart.

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How would your mahou fight this monster?

>>52845899
That's just an Amorphous-Centaur Layout MonG. Purification Artifact will fix her right up.

>>52845899
I'd know how I'd fight it. [/spoiler]A really, really big flamethrower.[/spoiler]

>>52845957
>[/spoiler]
-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it is.

>>52845947
What if she doesn't wanna be purified?

>>52845957
try ctrl+s

>>52845899
blast it with her magic plant wand and wrap it up in thorns

>>52846034
>What if she doesn't wanna be purified?
What if my kid doesn't want to stop throwing a tantrum because I won't buy them a stupid toy they don't need? I ignore their (attempting to be) spoiled ass, pull them along to continue my shopping, and do the responsible thing with the better outcome in the long run.

I purify her anyway.

>>52846034
SHAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIININGU

FINGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>52848277
Flamy I thought you were ded.

>>52830540

I am focusing more on raw mechanics and balancing out the lists. Specifically putting a cap on the amount of spells in each list. In the most recent version that I know of, some lists had as few as 19 spells, others in excess of 40. That is a big damn variance. Whats more, many spells are simply repeats or straight rehashes of others ones within these lists.

I'm focusing on given each magic their own flavor and applications, as seen in my original pitch which I'll post below. I don't care for minmaxing but all is fair in love and war. I just want an even playing field for all mahou shoujo. Currently magic is not balanced against melee or range builds.

Fire - Offense, AoE and DoT heavy; Detonate, Afterburn, Extra damage, Combust

Water - Offense, AoE, Utility; Frost/Slippery, "bubbles", extra soak penetration, Freeze/Fog

Air - Fast, AoE, Buff; Physical modifers, wide area effect, flight, "clouds"

Stone - Heavy Offense/Defense, Environmental Manipulation; Build/Destroy, Sand

Lightning - Fast, Utility, Strong Offense; Self buff, "stun"

Metal - Strong Offense/Defense, Utility; Construct/Build, add temp soak, repair

Time - Extreme DoT, Fast, Slow, Self-Buffing

Gravity - Environmental Control, AoE, Utility

Plant - Environmental Alteration, Buff/Debuff, DoT heavy; Indirect, allergy/poison, brambles

Beast - Buff, Utility, DoT; Morph, Flock/Swarm, Stampede/Rampage

Illusion - Debuff, AoE, Environmental Control; Deception, Imaginary Objects, Acting

Sound - Utility, Fast, Strong Offense; Deafen, LRAD/USW

Psychic - Fast, Heavy Debuff, Utility; Misdirection, Influence

Empathy - Heavy Buff/Debuff/Utility; Tempt/Provoke, Command, Sense

Spirit - Heavy Utility/Debuff/DoT; Totems/Undead, Poison/Disease, Bad Juju

Darkness - Heavy Offense/Debuff/DoT; Wrath, Stalk, Shadow Walk

Light - Heavy Offense/Buff, Fast; Flash, Illuminate, Order

Reinforcement - Heavy Defense/Buff/Utility; Heal, Empower, "Cleanse"

>>52830540
As for when I finish, at the rate I have been, I'm inclined to either give up or request assistance in completing. It'd be far easier to collaborate efforts and build something as a community. I'm a great think tank and analyst, even an awesome systems builder, but if I don't have the time to commit, I'm useless.

>>52850874
The idea is to implement new mechanics to magic and even a scaling system to enhance and encourage more magic usage. This way current builds are ultimately going to see a general buff and new builds will actually have a leg to stand on in a pinch.

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>>52848348

>>52807637
Sleep.

>>52807637
>Those bottles
Angry Orchard is mid-tier of macro ciders. A mahou can do better.

>>52807637
Ria Riki - Full time job teaching Physical Education or stumbling into portals/being sent on suicide missions where she somehow comes out on top.

Malcolm Donovan - Homework, being a super neet.

Sammi and Wesley - Building, tinkering, drinking soda, loli engineer things.

>>52845899

lol reverse gravity

Rolled 2, 3, 20, 17, 18, 12, 2, 1, 7, 18, 2 = 102 (11d20)

>>52766482

>>52852556
-but what does it mean?!

>>52807637

At the moment shopping for her new home. Later on possibly harassing small time non-magical criminals.

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>>52858694

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>>52858694
He laughs at you from the grave.

Oh, fuck. I made a character for this months ago, roleplayed a bit, and then completely forgot to turn on IRC again when I restarted my computer.

...You guys are welcoming to returnees, right? Even if they've been away a while?

>>52860857
>...You guys are welcoming to returnees, right?
I'm sure you're allowed in there. I personally ditched this like 5 or 6 months ago and now I'm just haunting the thread because reasons.

>>52860857
Of course! Come on back, we'll kill the fatted calf in celebration of your return

Rolled 13, 11, 12, 12, 9, 13, 14, 10, 20, 9, 3 = 126 (11d20)

>>52766482

>>52861242
Read: You. They're gonna kill you. Run,
anon, run.