Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for Tau best race

Requesting a Guardsman bullying a Nid

2nd for stop fellating necromunda

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Man, I love depictions of intelligent Khornates like this. These guys are Berzerkers, the guys that are always memed about being irredeemably frothing mad, too. I really like this piece.

>want to paint more night lords after work
>sit down and play eternal crusade instead

I feel like I just keep making mistakes

Any suggestions for how to convert an Autarch on a Jetbike? The current kit seems old, and I do want to fit a Reaper Missile Launcher onto this guy so I can represent all the aspect warriors in my army.

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First for the Dark City!

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>>52765027
Will Primarch bullying a Daemon also do? I mean, loyal is loyal, and non-human scum is non-human scum anyway, no matter if xeno, mutant or heretic.

Why does it seem like people complain about Tau the most, and other things here and there like Mech and some other formations, rather than Eldar.

I was looking over the Eldar pages.
Good WS, BS, I, and all around stats. So great at shooty, close range, hit and run, Str:D, Psychic, weapon specials ( example bladestorm), Wraiths etc.
Eldar seem to be the best overall with no obvious weaknesses without touching cheese and formations but no one seems to be upset by this? Is there a secret place where people complain about them

>>52765114
Eldar don't pretend to not be bullshit.

>>52765114
It's more the fact that for some reason WAAC players gravitate towards Tau rather than Eldar.

>>52765114
Everyone knows Eldar are cheese, even their players. Most Tau players deny the cheesiness of their army though. Also, they're boring to play, because it's literally just
>set up gunline
>hope nothing manages to get into close combat
Every time.

any news about Dan Abnett novel 'Penitent'?

>>52765114
Yeah, Eldar are better than Tau. Tau might not even be in the top 3 of OP armies at this point. Space Marines have about as much claim to the spot with some of their formations.

It's mainly just holdovers from 6th edition and how easy it is to build and play a Tau list to stop any casual setting.

Eldar have to kind of focus on mobility with their bikes and target priority with their D weapons.

Riptides just sort of far AP 2 ignores cover blasts towards the enemy and it's hard to deal with that because there's 3 of them, while there's often only 1 Wraithknight

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>>52764979
R8 my list. Archons are attaching to the 20man blobs to deepstrike them in.

>>52765141
Nothing since the last time, sorry anon

>>52765150
Not enough venoms/10

>>52765132
That makes no sense for the WAACer though.

>>52765140
Wouldn't be an issue if GW gave some good CQC setups to choose from.
>Improve Breachers
>Mini Farsight crisis troops
basically assaulting crisis troops

>>52765114
Pretty much what others have said. Eldar players know their shit is busted, and either don't play, or actively run less powerful things.

The other reason is that tau can be really aggravating to play against. Jsj, ignores cover, plus a ton of special rules which take away their opponents options, as well as cover their weaknesses.

Green Tide
100 boyz
10 boss nobz
1 warboss
Will it do anything?

>>52765208
>basically assaulting crisis troops

That's called running them without weapons, because Crisis suits point-for-point are quite efficient in CC with no weapons

Breachers are pretty good for what they are, it's just that nobody takes them because better options for AP 2/3 exist from safer distances

Tau having a melee weakness is fine, but their rules encourage a gunline over mobility, and gunlines in general are a slog to play against.

If you kit out a Tau army with lots of infantry and pulse carbines, they give more exciting matches, since then they're constantly skirting the edge of assault, rather than sitting at 30 max range constantly trying to retreat.

>>52765237
Add a painboy and a mix of big choppas & power klawz and it will.

>>52765237
It wastes time in the movement phase. That's the real victory there.

>>52765063
start off with guardian on bike, grab a EML (possibly mount it on the bottom), and helm to taste. on a similar note i think a mix of dragon princes and guardian on bikes could work for shining spears

>>52765285
Guess I'll need to finally get that second box of Windriders then. Although I might make it 2 and just get a 5 man squad with Catapults.

>>52765046
Well that didn't seem very fun at all.

>>52765219
This right here. Eldar are very powerful but each unit for the most part has their vulnerabilities that can be exploited if you know what your doing. Outside if the super units like WK, D-scythe WG, and scatbikes they play like chess pieces. Psychic powers are another level but that is affecting more than just Eldar. Tau vulnerability is assault but are given rules that effectively neuter any attempt to exploit it (like combining overwatch and jsj) almost forcing you to play the ranged game against them followed by markerlights heavily stacking it in their favor with ignores cover and further boosting BS with potent guns. On top of that, outside of deepstrike grav spam marines few armies can bring enough fire power to bare on things like riptides and stormsurges to bring them down before they are ash from all of the other supporting units blowing through any defenses you have.

It's just a grind.

>ork can down a space marine in two choppa slashes
I thought orks weren't a melee race

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>>52765340

>>52765340
Takes 3 choppa boyz on the charge swinging 12 times all together to kill a marine, on average.

>>52765364
>>52765381
eternal crusade :)

>>52765384
Thought we were talking about the minis.

Eternal Crusade is another story.

>Orks shooting as accurate as Smurfs
>OHK Shotas
>MFW OHK Choppas
>Heavy Weapons used as standard
>I'm looking at you, megakanon

I fought a 1—on—1 shooty engagement against an ork. Bolter Vs. Shota. Both hitting. The Ork survived.

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Fulfilling my previous goal to do something for my older, lacking fists and gave their cruddy, wash-coated, unfinished rhinos an extreme makeover into much sexier siege hot rods.

Im thinking I'll run them at 1250 with two kheres asscan contemptors for maximum asscan power. Maybe stick in my dorito for triple dreadnought action and have special weapon combat squads in the razors. Not sure what to use for the rest.

What's everybody working on? I'm gonna start hammering out some more marines.

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>>52765421
>>MFW OHK Choppas
>play ground assault because lol f2p
>put shield up
>ork chops right through my shield without damaging it and hits me
>immediately start flailing my chainsword around him
>none of my hits do damage
>he warps behind me and downs me
actually made me rage desu

>>52765421
Space Marines already get all the good stuf in the game. A halfway decent Marine player mops the floor with all the other races desu.

>>52765437
I know the feeling...

>>52765442
I think I'm not a bad player and still get steamrolled by Eldar and Ork players. Ork ones a little bit less, nowadays, but, you know. I think there's a balance issue in the game. Not speaking of the useless anti—armor weapons and how shitty the vehicle physics are.

>>52765442
Except Eldar and Tau.

>>52765477
WTF, Tau in Eternal Crusade?

>>52765461
Dunno, Orks need a lot of coordination and good players to work (ot the WAAAGH!!!), else they get steamrolled themselves. Eldar are really frail, if you don't make heavy use of cover as a shooty one, you are basically dead. But there's always some faggot one- or twoshotting a heavily armored Dark Reaper with his Stalker Bolter.

>>52765489
Oh, you were talking about a video game.

>>52765496
A freaking Scorpion one—hitted me yesterday. You cannot fire at what you cannot see. I find them pretty OP. I think I haven't won a single battle against the Eldar with the LSM

>>52765501
Yes, sorry.

Also, I have been disconnected from the releases in the tabletop, so I don't know how everything is going in that matter

>>52765437
>play Supremecy
>literally just need to hold one point with time on it
>fuckers keep trying to cap other points back
>literally lose last second because half the team left to cap with 30s left

Shit is infuriating

>>52765544
same game? 27 spawn tickets left on B for me

>>52765549
now less than five

>>52765549
The game is over. There were no tickets for this

>>52765526
This is making me want to play the tabletop game oddly enough.

>>52765238
But no weapons for choppy is unfun even if it is efficient

would you guys let me run Tempestus Scions in just regular Taurox's if I hypothetically played against you?

apparently GW is shit at writing rules and you cant take them with Scions. They can only take Chimeras and Taurox Primes.

30k > Age of Sigmar >>> 40k > pile of shit >>>> Fantasy

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>>52765566
I want to play badly, but my army isn't even big enough and I don't have anyone to play with. I'm sticking to Vassal until I find someone/get the army running.

>>52765425

those look really nice man, the red is a bit flat but the rest of the paint job is really neat. The bases are great too!

As for the list I guess you could upgrade the tac squads to devastators. the extra fire support and cover from the razorbacks would be good for them. Then give them Lascannons and Missile Launchers so you can benefit from the Tank Hunter USR.

Also personally for Imperial Fists im a fan of lots of scouts. Since theyre the most efficient pointswise and also pump out a huge amount of firepower due to the Imperial Fist Chapter Traits.

You can make the scouts more armoured looking with the tempestus scions helmets if you dont like the shrek heads they have.

>>52765774

>having an opinion as wrong as this one in the current year

>>52765774
As game systems? Swap the pile of shit with Fantasy and then 40k with Fantasy and you'e about right, though there needs to be less differentiation between AoS and Fantasy. As fluff? 30k, then fantasy, then 40k, then AoS.

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Guys, Nippon is going to be included! I found some leaked screenshots of their units!

>>52765064
Looks pretty nice dude (coming from a DE guy here) and the ynnari cheese is somewhat acceptible due to the flaws of the current dex and also because the model is gorgeous

>>52765829

Don't or I'll spend all day playing Shogun 2.

>>52765829
Actually now that I think about it, if Japan was somehow in Medieval Total War or something, what would their strengths and weaknesses be? Ignoring how it wouldn't make much sense to have them of course.

>>52765833
I'm sort of behind on Eldar Lore, last time I checked deathwatch fucked the whole Ynnead plan, who the fuck is Yncarne?

>>52765862
When the troops break they go full harakiri lol

>>52765880
They only disrupted the plan, they didn't fully prevent it. They only really prevented the massive psychic flash that would have drowned out the astronomicon.

>>52765880
Yeah I thought it went tits up too but apparently it all worked out fine (just as planned??) And the Yncarne is effectively the avatar of Ynnead, the god of death. Hence why the model has slaanesh-y vibes as ynnead is like... a sibling (i think?) to slaanesh, created to swallow him/her up. I'm not the moat knowledgeable and i'm sure another anon will be able to provide a more detailed account.

>>52765916
>>52765880
They sort of fucked it up but they sort of didn't.

Rather than awaken Ynnead proper they only created a shard (shards?) of him who is now going around with the Ynnead eldar crew collecting souls to feed itself, so it may obtain true godhood.

Imagine a world where you could take 10 man HQ squads.


I M A G I N E

>>52765208
God no, that just makes them even more broken. Instead GW needs to fix the fucking shooting phase, bring the newer weapon profiles back in line with the power level of Bolters and Plasma Guns, turn Overwatch into an actually interesting mechanic instead of just having it be second shooting phase for the Tau and buff melee mobility again (allow consolidating into melee again) to make placement more important. Suddenly Tau have to actually react to their opponents instead of just sitting back and shooting.

Also, Suits need to be knocked down to WS2 and WS3 for commanders, bring back tha armies actual weakness, and the 2+ suits need to be 3+ and all the invulns removed.

>>52765960
So Ynnead is sort of like Khaine right now? But with a permanent avatar instead.

>>52765046
If they were so intelligent why are they all dead now

>>52765982
Smart people die all the time. Such is the random nature of chaos. You can't prevent your own death, just take steps to postpone it, until daemonic ascension. Then you're immortal and don't need to worry.

Holy fuck.

I'm pretty sure that 90% of the CSM faction in Eternal Crusade has downs. Like literally ultra downey soft in the head.

>>52765976
>Ynnead
Ynnead i probably one of the things that pisses me off the most about Gathering Storm. Instead of having her actually split into multiple avatars so people can actually run ynnari with "their dudes" they turn the yncarne into a fucking named character. Why the fuck is GW sucking the cocks of characters so fucking hard? What happened to making your own lore? I don't want to use GW's snowflake #247

>>52765880
Yncarne is just the avatar of Ynnead
>>52765916
The Yncarne was made/birthed from bel-tan while the craftworld was infested with slaanesh daemons. I think GW was trying to hint that the Yncarne is possibly corrupted by slaanesh, but their writing is terrible. The thing so far has just been a mute retard that just runs straight at the enemy.

>>52765993
Until a certain vampire breaks your spine

>>52766001
Well...they are like the Loyal SM but with sorcerers and autocannons.

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>>52766032
Still enough to tell the story

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>>52765970
>Also, Suits need to be knocked down to WS2 and WS3 for commanders, bring back tha armies actual weakness
Are some people actually afraid of crisis suits in combat? Its one fucking commander, that has no access to any sort of close combat weapons. WTF is giving it WS 2/3 going to accomplish.

>>52766056
>Are some people actually afraid of crisis suits in combat?
No, but the game desperately needs more defnition in the character of different armies and just upping everyone to WS4 because >lolHQ
is dumb as shit.

Oh, and of course the Melee to-Hit table desperately needs fixing as well.

>>52766056
I think the point is that tau's one weakness, melee, should be just that. A weakness.

The smash special rule already allows all of tau's mc's to kill shit in cc way easier than they should be able to. Having a commander able to hit back on 4's against most things is kinda dumb.

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>>52765150
I recognize this list, and I whole heartedly approve.

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Considering the Deathwatch Watch Master got himself a Custodes Spear, what are the chances they could get one of those guns as a Relic choice ? How many points would it be worth, 15-25 ?

>>52766056

WS 2 is functionally identical to WS4 when hitting WS 4, which is the problem. This only gets worse with higher WS. Someone with WS3 hits WS 3-6 the same as WS6 hitting WS6.

What's OP atm?

Gonna play pimpcrons, are they as bullshit as shooting armies were in necromunda?

New leaks and 8e info when?

I need something new to make me hype about the game again.

>>52766110
Actually ws2 hitting ws4 would be a 5+ to-hit.

>>52766124
Spamming grav weapons
A lot of the 'decurions' (formations that give you special rules for bringing certain models) that exist to get people to buy more shit.
Eldar

What's the difference between Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii?

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>>52766124
HEY GAIYZ PIMPCRON HERE WITH ANOTHER GAY REVIEW ON SOME GAY SHIT DONE IN A GAY ANNOYING WAY.

I HAVE ADHD AND GET PAID TO BE A FAGGOT.

P.S I am a tryhard faggot named Pimpcron

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>>52766225
Rate my Melee to hit table

>>52766222
Cult is mostly high toughness servitors and robots, with a couple of utterly dogshit melee units. Skitarii are a bunch of disposable cyborgs backed up by walkers.

>>52765969
You can't?

T. Guard Player

>>52766268

guard can't either dingus. unless you count the advisors which arent exactly ablative wounds.

>>52766268
5+3 advisors + commissar + priest

Yeah checks out.

>>52766275
See
>>52766276
Where do you come from where that doesn't equal TEN MEN?

>>52766282

wow, haha

great post

>>52766275
>Guard can't either as long as you dont count the upgrade that lets them.
Dish soap ain't for drinking, Timmy.

>>52766296

wow haha

great post

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>>52766282
Did you just assume my Commissar's gender?
REEEEEEEEEE

>>52766289
>>52766309

wow, haha

great posts

>>52766289
>>52766309
Go to bed, Phil. You gotta take Leanne to her bull at 3

>>52766327

wow, haha

great post

>>52766154

Huh, didn't realize that they made WS2 special from the 2x+1 rule.

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>>52766335
Fuck you, you little cunt. No one wants you here, just like in real life. How about you fuck off, get off the internet and go play some fucking fallout 4 (because it's single player).

See, I bet that didn't feel very nice, did it? Maybe you can have one more chance to rejoin our community as a valued member.

>>52766073
> the game desperately needs more defnition in the character of different armies
Reducing each army down to a stupid tropes like that is fucking cancer. Hur'der it ain't Dark Angels if you ain't got masses of terminators or Plasma weapons strapped to everything, Hur'dur we're blood agnels check out our Blood (insert weapon name)"

>>52766089
>tau's one weakness, melee, should be just that. A weakness.
So tell me again how a commander with WS4, who has NO FUCKING ACCESS TO SPECIAL CLOSE COMBAT WEAPONS somehow changes the fact that Tau still stuck balls at combat? Please tell me this game breaking scenario where a Tau commander saved his army from being totally wiped in cc? Or how this somehow reverses the cheesenes of Tau?

>>52766110
So fucking what? Are Tau haters so fucking autistic they have to bitch about the smallest shit conceivable?

Tau armies are supposed to be "weak in cc" and the fact of the matter is they are. But this is a generalization, it doesn't mean you fucking slap WS2, I2, A1, etc. etc. to every'fucking'thing you see. There are exceptions to the fucking rules. Eldar are a super elite army with super psychers, hey look fucking useless Guardians, and shitty warlock powers. Space Marines are supposed to have the best of the best equippment, hey look their rolling around in paper Rhino's.

>>52766357

wow

>>52766354
They didn't. The worst you can ever do in cc is 5+

>>52766357

great post

>>52766371
Yea, and that's after double plus one WS.

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>>52766367
>>52766394
Not laughing now, are you punk.

Wanna know how we fucking fix 40k?

Every army now consists of aroused anime girls.

>>52766409

haha no

>>52766358
getting mighty defensive there buddy

>>52766358
If the ws4 on a commander is so worthless, why do you care if it gets bumped down to 2?

The whole army is supposed to have crap ws, why does bringing this one example in line with that bother you so much?

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>>52766423
That's what I thought.

>>52766449

great post haha

I'm really tempted to run a world eaters butcher horde with allied renegades and heretics for fire support, how stupid is this idea?

>>52766435
>The whole army is supposed to have crap ws
Based on fucking what? Tau are shit at cc because their training doesn't emphasize it at all, that's all. Where does it say that WS2 is a racial trait? Commanders are however their most experienced and well trained soldiers,and they only have WS4 which is the fucking norm for everyone else. The Farsight enclaves had "Ork Fighter" because they trained for getting up close and personal with Orks. Etherials train in close combat only, and have WS4 as well.

>>52766424
Yea because the whole idea that everything should be WS2 is complete cancer. I swear to god, they wouldn't be happy until a rule was introduced that Tau automatically lost every CC encounter. Just because everyone knows "Tau are weak in CC".

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>>52766516

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>>52766466
Leave scum, and never return.

>>52766358
Hate to break it to you man, but the armies in this game -are- tropes. The way the armies are supposed to work is they each have their own shtick, they use that shtick, and they do it often because that's what they know.

The reason tau gets so much shit from everyone is because they work too much like a modern military, where everything is as efficient as possible, with as few casualties as possible. Real militaries don't want a fair fight, they want to decimate their enemies while suffering little to no losses. That's how tau play, and people get tired of it.

Why should riptides get ap2?
Why can tau completely prevent anyone from charging them with full bs overwatch?
Why is a tau commander as good in cc as a space marine?

Because somewhere along the line tau went from "Shooty army that sucks at cc" to "Shooty army with no discernable weakness due to special rules"

Does Lord Inquisitor movie make you erect as well? I know it makes me cum every time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZc6cr6G2E4

>>52766544

WOW

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>>52766576
y du dis?

>>52766602

because you need to go back to /reddit/ haha

>>52766547
>Why can tau completely prevent anyone from charging them with full bs overwatch

If you hit with what, 4 markerlights on 6s as part of that overwatch

wow, such value, truly going to happen every time

You do know markerlight tokens only last one phase, right?

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Rate my planned WAAAGH

>>52765140
>>set up gunline
>>hope nothing manages to get into close combat
I do this as guard sometimes, am I become WAACfag too?

>>52766547
>Why is a tau commander as good in cc as a space marine?
Why is this considered unbelievable? Again where does it say this is fucking unattainable for Tau? Aun'shi/Farsight are WS5. The Tau's close combat ability is defined by their training, like everyone else. They didn't just shove a geneseed in a Space Marine and he suddenly became WS4, they go through rigorous training. If WS was a racial generalization they why the fuck aren't all Imperial Guard WS3? etc. Hey if the Tau are so shooty, why the fuck are they still WS3, even on their elite troops?

> Why should riptides get ap2?
Not that this was ever in the discussion, I donno, maybe because Tau actually had a limited number of options as far as AP2 went. Or you know maybe GW needed to cash in those model sales. Take your pick.

>>52766639
>what is counterfire defense system.
3-4 markerlights on overwatch happens more often than you think.

>>52766652
Do you have units that can move 2d6 in the assault phase, as well as units that can fire overwatch at full bs?

>>52766665
No, I too am curious as to how they go from WS2 Fire Warriors to WS4 Commanders.

Yet not a single BS increase?

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Official Saint Celestine theme song:

https://youtu.be/NQtqMDeXkus

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http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327601-malchys-white-faces-homemade-tyberos-wip/page-1

>YFW you will never have armies which look this good

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Don't forget to take the poll if you haven't already!

http://www.strawpoll.me/12769875/
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Eldar are a very rare army on /tg/, and we do have a solo Knights player as well. IG is by far the most common.

>>52766701
Marine shit.

Call me when it is a men's army.

>>52766358
Rhinos are intentionally like that, because they're extremeky easy to repair and are mobile and light enough to be transported by lighter vehicles as well, because SM can end up cut off from supply lines for a long time.

>>52766731
He has Night Lords, Carcharodons and Raven Guard.
We are you even in to 40k if you only enjoy the NPC factions?

>>52766701
Meh, it's okay.

>>52766731
But anon, marines are a men's army. After all, only they and arguably Orks are 100% male! Because the IG have the very few extremely rare female regiments and rarer still mixed regiments.

>>52766740
Why**

>>52766740
>Night Lords, Carcharodons and Raven Guard

The NPC of marines calling other NPC.

Oh wow. Beside the Emperor said Primarchs and marines are basically tools not worth much than a hammer.

Stay pleb

>>52766699
Aww shit! Motherfucking Digimon!

>>52765046
>the guys that are always memed about being irredeemably frothing mad
Because that's the actual fluff, it's just that the writers have to take liberties because the storytelling demands it

>>52766752
Marine are the gayest army. I play marines.

all imperium of man armies are shit

>>52766358
>Tau haters
Nigga I play Tau, and I want to be able to actually say that my army is balanced and not have to deal with autistic spergs like you that give us all a bad name. I want to be able to take my shiniest toys without shitstomping my friends, and I want to actually have to play the game instead of point-and-clicking enemies away because the shooting phase is completely non-interactive.

>>52765969
Don't you even yiff?
Dogs die like dogs for a reason.

>>52766777
Nuh-uh, that's Tau_____!

>>52766673
So if a Tau player BUYS a unit, that sacrifices it's shooting to potentially boost other units shooting, and then also BUYS AN UPGRADE that boosts a units overwatch shooting (an upgrade only available to suits, which tend to be low in numbers), and in the end an opponent still decides to assault this unit, it's somehow the Tau players fault for trying to set up that trap.

>>52766639
...wait they don't last until the start of the next turn...
I hate Tau Players. First he convinced me fire warriors were T4 and then it turns out marker lights don't last until the start of his next turn.

>>52766650
Looks fun as fuck, would play against/10

Can't decide; Thousand Sons or Death Guard

>>52766810
You should play best Traitors Dark Angels

>>52766794
That's a faggot army.

There is nothing wrong in having a gay army, just don't pretend it is a men's army.

>>52766665
Tau are bs3 because they have markerlights. You read their fluff right?

Or should they all be bs4 because they trained real good?

>>52766810
>Thousand Sons
Wait for Tzeentch Daemonkin Codex

>Death Guard
Wait for Death Guard release

>>52766810
Emperor's Children

>>52766810
deff guards when their models show up

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>>52766810
> Playing traitor.

>>52766817
In all honesty they should have BS2 due to their lack of proper depth perception. Then markerlights would make sense.

Right now everything worth shooting has BS4 or better due to how easy it is to spam those ML and even then the restarted RoF makes their BS3 unnoticeable

sup /40kg/
I'm starting Astra Militarum and want my army led by a badass general, how do I equip my command squad so they're not just another suicide melta team? I have a really hard time evaluating the respective equipment choices, since I come from playing Nids where it's all quite straightforward, could someone give me a primer on what works and what doesn't? I tried looking online but different sources completely disagree an what is viable and what isn't.

>>52766788
So wtf does slapping the whole Tau codex with WS2 do towards balancing out Tau's shiny toys?

Tell me, how many of your opponents would be cool with you spamming riptides and stomsurges, as long as you slap WS2 on everything?

>>52766799
>suits
>low in numbers
Fucking kek.

Why do you call the ability to completely cover your major weakness a trap? Does it make you feel like a tactical genius?

That would be like a space marine player thinking he's smart because he realized that putting guys on bikes makes them better than guys not on bikes.

>>52766854
It would make slapping on a melta bomb a lot easier.

>>52766835
Better to kill for chaos than die for a corpse

>>52766854
We could remove them from the game, they are already overlapping with DE and IG. With either mobile shooting or gunline shooting.

Or you know tone down the fucking mech anime robots and add some fucking Xenos to the Xeno federation of planets that where susposse to be from their inception into the game.

And publicly whip the fuckers that wrote the new fluff, make then read IA Taros book to see how to make proper tau lore

>>52766871
>kill for chaos
>not be used as a meat shield and die thanklessly while having your soul tortured by daemons for the rest of time
Chaos sure sounds great.

>>52766838
I always thought this too. Like, I thought markerlights were supposed to be the crux of their army, but killing them doesn't ever seem to really hurt the tau shooting phase much. At best it goes from "insanely killy", to "still pretty above average killy".

>>52766854
>So wtf does slapping the whole Tau codex with WS2 do towards balancing out Tau's shiny toys?
Makes it easier to make auxiliaries fit the role of melee meathsield better. But you don't know about Vespids and Kroot because you're a powergaming faggot that only read any unit entry with "suit" in the title.

>>52766889
Chaos followers are like teenagers from first world country that join ISIS.

Bunch of angst teenage retards.

>>52766889
>not be used as a meat shield and die thanklessly while having your soul tortured by daemons for the rest of time
Sound like the fate of a loyalist to be honest...

>>52766564
The whole parade with the base and the fucking marines n shit makes my dick flip over table.

Still never understood why they decided to go with real-time rendering though. Would have made it easier to do good lipsync and fix some of the minor visual glitches.

>>52766788
I just stated collecting 40k and I picked tau because i thought that giant robots looked cool. Is everyone going to hate on me :( I was planning of making them very mobile and mounting them all in transports and stuff anyway.

>>52766854
It's one complaint of many, and a pretty insignificant one to boot.

And if your reaction is any indication, tau players aren't willing to give even small concessions to their army's ability to win.

Has someone uploaded Eye of Night's chapters?

>>52766909
The original was in German or some Arabic language. Hence why it looked odd.

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>>52766871
Amen my Chaos Brother.

>>52766910
You will have to be aware that Tau suits are among the best units in the game so relying on them WILL suck the fun out of playing against you on anything but a very high level of competition.

>>52766918
I know, still could have helped remedy alot of its smaller visual problems.

Still love the video to death.

>>52765862
Strengths-
1000 FOLD NIPPON STEEL

>>52766854
I would reduce every Tau unit to BS2 and WS2.

They have more than enough markerlights to conpensate for that BS2.

Try it yourself suddenly the game are more fun and you have to think a little instead of playing a point and click adventure.

>>52766910
Just don't cheat, don't miss Lead the other player, and be sporting

>>52766910
You'll get hate almost no matter what, mostly because of the other autistic tau players that just can't help themselves from bringing 3 riptides to a 1500 point game, or think all suits is balanced.

If you really want to try though, make lists that are underpowered and work upwards in small steps till you hit equilibrium.

>>52766910
The smaller suits honey, naked without weapons or updrades are still a good melee unit, point for point.

Let that sink.

Now you see why people bitch about Tau, everything is retardly cheap and good for what they are.

>>52766863
>ability to completely cover your major weakness
I wasn't aware that everything could take a counterfire system, and that it was so easy to spam marklights to light up the opponents army all the time. Those T3 5+ pathfinders are so dang hard to kill.

>>52766868
Riptides are WS2, as well as stormsurges last i remember.

>>52766882
>add some fucking Xenos
You know I really wanted this to happen, but there are too many fucking Tau purists, and GW did such a shitty job with the rules for kroot/vespids that they probably won't risk another sales failure with trying to introduce more Tau Empire xenos.

>>52766896
How does the one fucking commander with WS4 change this? and GW fucking nerfed the kroot out of this role by removing their +1A. Not to mention you probably can't even get Kroot hounds anymore thanks to failcast.

>>52766871
ANTIFA please go

>>52767013
>pathfinders
You mean t4 4+ drones?

>>52767021
No.
That was yesterday.
Today is
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

>>52767048
>antifa
Slaneesh cultists are not my friend.

>>52766908
>>52766889
Slaves fighting slaves think they're better than each other.

>>52766252
>Warboss hits WS 7 enemies on 5+
One thing I noticed years ago was how all the HQ units had WS5+ and I figured it was because that was the bare minimum a unit needed to hit anything on a 4+.

Making WS have that much of a difference really ruins some units and makes others ridiculous in melee. An Avatar of Khaine would rip apart a squad of carnifex.

>>52766358
>and the fact of the matter is they are.

The funny thing is, they aren't. Across-the-board Defensive Grenades and a 4+ armour save on their basic infantry means that Fire Warriors can actually stand up against a charge better than some armies like IG can. When you consider that these enemy units are already going to be significantly under-strength from being shot at on their way down the board, and are going to take more casualties from Overwatch, it's not at all unrealistic that you'll see 2-3 models actually complete their charge, miss or fail to wound, then get dragged down by weight of numbers.

>>52767128
You could just tweak the values of some units to makebit work. Bloodthirsters missing Guardsmen on 1s and 2 is ridiculous no matter how you look at it.

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>>52767021

Why did the Ultramarines in that pic lose?
That doesn't happen, not to lower tier threats anyway

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>>52767163
>ultrababies think they can into melee
We broke you twice lol and will do it again

>>52767132
This. Alongside support fire Tau are actually decent in the assault phase compared to Guard.

>>52767163
>>52767183
They're stormwardens, bro

>>52767163
Because Jacks of all trades are masters of none.
Khornate warriors are masters of Melee

>>52767132
That's kinda a lot of variables/assumptions there. Pulse rifles are definitely mean to the right target, MEQ's don't fit that bill though. I've killed more Marines by having my FW's shoot down their rhino then the rest of my army was able to accomplish in that same turn just shooting stuff. I mean weight of numbers? 10-12 Fire Warriror attacks, with no power weapons etc? I've seen 2-3 man tac marines easily hold that off.

I mean what about using cover, what about softening the target before charging, what about power weapons and leadership checks. All these things throw the scenario one way or the other. But fuck, if your just running at them to get the charge off, fuck it you deserve to get shot to shit. Even if the Tau are able to blunt charges, they still are complete shit at fighting their way out, and with little to no LD boosts they actually can and do break and run.

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>>52764979

>Forge World is quietly phasing out both Death Korps and Elysian Drop Troop lines

FUCK YOU FORGE WORLD IG GETTING SQUATTED IS REAL FUCK YOU GW REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52767261

43 bongdollars for 10 badly-warped shitters.


Its like you don't believe in the power of the glorious people's emporium of China

>>52766818
>Implying Wrath of Magnus wasn't Tzeentch Daemonkin Codex.
That's all you're gonna get from GW, guaranteed.

>>52767276

While I believe in supporting artists/workers and I'm no poorfag, at this rate yes I'm going to have to look into recasts, I didn't quite finish my Elysian army...

>>52767297
I'll support it, but FW quality in my experience is worst than china recast. I waste more time complaining about shit quality than assembling.

How the fuck does chinaman make better models from a recast is beyond me.

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>>52767261

Nice cross promotion, you fucking dicks

>>52767297

>implying the designers arent wage slaves

they paid off all the overheads for these models forever ago.

GW execs are laughing all the way to the bank

>>52767316

I've been buying FW for years and I haven't experienced anything that couldn't be fixed with some slight knife work or warm water to bend gently back into place. Your experience may vary of course.

>>52767251
>Pulse rifles are definitely mean to the right target
Tau have plenty of other weapons in the army, and aren't restricted to only combating an oncoming unit with their basic infantry. You can easily gut a squad with Crisis Suits then let the Fire Warriors mop up.

>I mean what about using cover
Markerlights deny Cover Saves, and Line of Sight-blocking terrain isn't always available. And even when it is, Smart Missiles can shoot you behind it. Also, cover can slow down an approaching unit, either through difficult/dangerous terrain tests or forcing the unit to divert around it, giving the Tau player more time to shoot.

>what about softening the target before charging
A handful of pistol shots and maybe a flamer or melta (if the guy carrying it isn't dead) isn't going to make a great deal of difference. And every model you kill will increase your charge distance a little more.

>what about power weapons
One, on the squad leader, and again, it may well already be dead. Even if you do still have it, Defensive Grenade limit what damage you can do.

>and leadership checks
Which is probably the biggest Achilles heel most Tau units have, but Ld8 with the Shas'ui isn't terrible and there's ways to increase it.

So yeah, sure, sometimes the stars align and a unit does reach the Tau lines with enough models to break through a squad. But the idea that Tau just immediately fall to pieces so long as a unit waves a chainsword at them is blatantly false - more often than not they'll tarpit a unit for a few turns and either win through attrition, or keep them locked out of the game.

>>52767366
Bent, broken, bubble fielded.

Hell bent shit is enough bad quality for me.

But muhhh resin, then use a better material that doesn't bent or improve your molding. For how much they charge I'd expect unbent shit.

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Will these two armies be fun to play against each other? I'm looking to set up newb friendly armies for intro games and stuff and IG vs Nids is a nice iconic engagement everyone immediately understands.

>>52766721
Dangerously verging on Dark Mechanicus territory there

>>52766721
THIS IS MY NEW FAVOURITE FACTION

ALSO FUCK IT, I'M DOING THAT

>>52767423
Tervigon could use Crushing Claws. Scrub the spores for that. Replace the Warrior's Venom Cannon with Barbed strangler. Remove Gland from the Warriors and give them to the fex. It badly needs all the speed it can get and Furious Charge bumps him to S10

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>>52766721
of course IG is the most common. how else would we enact our most sacred of combat doctrines.

s n a p e l e c t i o n b o y s

>>52767538
Seems about right for /tg/. Bunch of tryhards picking a faction that's actually pretty garbage and will never be top tier again. Tanks look like shit btw, why not just play historical if you want to build tanks in a sci-fi game.

>>52767629
Because historical don't have Nids or Orks to fight with my glorious T3.

>>52766697
Commanders are BS5

>>52767643
>orks
>nids

2 other factions that don't exist. GW doesn't care about you anymore.

>>52767691
To be fair GW only cares about marines, just look at their product, like 5/6 of the shit sold are marines (40k and 30k)

>>52767617
Who will you vote for anon?

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>>52767691
Oh Tyranids exist alright, in my dungeon of anal-rape...

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>>52767744
Well you have this, no need to fuck a codex.

>>52767716
Apparently you can't have enough design space in the sci-fi realm without roided out shit-tier models.

>>52767629
as it happens, we're not all waacfags. some of us just like to play an army that's got badass lore.

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>>52767760
H-how did you find them!

>>52767768
Sorry I could not follow your line of thought.

Are you bitching about marines or wanting more marines?

FIRE

WARRIOR

GUNLINE

>>52767782
Which part of IG lore is badass? The part where they are toilet paper for every new faction? The fact that they just went through a major story progression and lost their main character and gained nothing from it? I believe that IG is the only imperium( or any? ) faction that doesn't have plot armor.

How do Harlequins stack up against other armies?

>>52767789
I'm saying that Marines allow for plenty of sci-fi "design space" that an army like IG can never have. It turns out that all that design space resulted in shitty looking models.

>>52767629

>I have no bait and I must meme

>>52767837
Harlequins are to aeldari as Scions are to Imperium.

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>>52767838
What?

This is just one unit random chart in an old codex. GW just drop the ball with IG the amount of things you can do with IG from a design perspective is beyond anything marines can do.

>>52767886
It's not my opinion, its GW's. They are the "miniatures company" not me.

>>52767899
You didn't said that in your previous post.

Also "Forge the Narrative"

>>52767886
Its a lot easier to make slight tweaks to a standard space marine than it is to make entire new cultures/outfits. Change the color scheme and add some new frills to power armor and you have a new chapter.

Is there any hope?

If you have Hatred chaos, would that work against Renegade Knights?

>>52767920
>Forge the Narrative
Decoding....
3..
2..
1..
> We are lazy and will only make safe design choices, its up to you to make the game interesting.

>>52767924
You could just add random feathers and "upgrade" kits like marine have and bam! New IG.

It is GW circle jerking about marines. It show when something else beside marines sells well they get utterly confuse and panic.

>>52767933
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

Its rather irritating how every faction has been funnelled into strengths/weaknesses/counters

>>52767948
Then you just want IG to be the new marines. /TG/ would cast them aside and the top played race would be that never updated space marines faction that seemed like you could so much with it, but nothing was ever done.

Is it a dick move to use a War Convocation in casual games?

>>52767971
/tg/ as a group are retards.

It is just marines after marines for decades got boring and stale.

>>52767957
What? this is the case for every game every made, which has diserable factions

>>52767824
that's the badass part. don't need plot armour to be cool. plot armour, in fact, makes you less cool, because you always know that no matter how much danger they're in, they'll pull through and be fine, and that really doesn't do much for tension in stories and media, etc.

>>52767986
But Guiliman, he's badass

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>>52767933

There is hope.

>>52767957
Name a game where there's multiple factions with different play styles where people don't focus on what it does well, what it doesn't do well, and how to win with it or beat it.

You just summarized game mechanics in those three words.

>>52766840
I like using a Yarrick or Straken count as model making it my own guy. Both hit hard and are tough.

That or I like using the Deathmask relic with a Powerfist. If you want it to have more power put a Priest and a Primaris Psyker in the squad with a Medic and you have a squad that can punch through your average small squads holding an objective.

That's a lot of points for a very okay unit though.

>>52767957
If that were the case, the game would be balanced.

>>52768002
The guy is asking for special characters in IG, he's already doing it wrong and needs to look elsewhere for that. A name means points, points mean IG is smaller. Small IG = bad.

>>52767986
What you get is a shit codex. No/Bad special characters, bland everything, and getting shit-on on the table top.

>>52767995
I still can't get over how cheesy this pic is.

>>52768036

Like something out of Starship Troopers.

Just looking for some feedback on my Herald of Ruin 250pt Space Marine Kill Team list.

Chapter Tactics is Carcharadon Astra

Leader
- Company Champion
- Power Sword
- Storm Shield
- Oath of the Tireless Crusader (Crusader Special Rule)
- Bionics (FnP 6+)

Special
- 3 Sternguard Veterans

Core
- 6 Tactical Marines (w/ extra CCW)
- 1 Tactical Marine (Plasma Gun + extra CCW)

>>52768065
gay faction/10

>>52767188
Yeah but Guard have cheap access to Zealot and can blob up to 50 men. Not to mention war hymns.

>>52768086
Only use of that is to tarpit.

>>52768035
you don't seem to get what IG represents thematically and tactically. Thematically, they are meant to be YOU. The everyman, who picks up a gun, trains, and despite overwhelming odds, prevails. Not every time, and they die a lot, a fuckload, but that makes victory all the sweeter, and you're meant to be looking for the mindset of "Victory is close to impossible, but we're gonna be the ones who achieve it, and it'll be fucking awesome". Tactically, if you roll enough dice, eventually they'll roll what you wanted.

>>52767393
What would happen to the meta if overwatch happened after charge movement?

>>52768109
If we break down what you said and toss aside the fluff that could stand for any faction, you get:

They are meant to be YOUR ARMY. You may lose a lot, but that's life. Often times in life you need to lose a lot in order to make victories so much sweeter. You just need to spend twice what ever other factions spends and play enough games and you'll end up with a sub-par faction with a great feel good story when you win. Because face it, if you roll enough twice, you'll hit that 20% win chance every once in a while.

>>52768148
lel

>>52768148
Tell us Anon, if you had $200 to start a IG army....What would you suggest?

>>52768099
Says you. My power axe blobs chew through things.

>>52768162
$200 worth of leman russes

>>52768162
Spend that 200$ on a hooker and some anal beads. You'll struggle less and feel better at the end when you finally win.

>>52768070

Cool, original joke. Kek/10.

>>52768162

4 Leman Russ, wait until next paycheck to get the 5th Russ and an Enginseer.

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>>52768109
IG are basically "We are cancelling the Apocalypse" the army

>>52768021
Yarrick is absolutely worth his points, especially if you bring an infantry and Conscript blob. He will give out orders forever and rarely stays dead. He will punch out stuff nicely too.

>>52768162
Spend 200$ on 2 start collecting boxes. Paint them up real nice and give them sweet bases.

>I would then spend another 200$ on an actual army and give the newly created IG army to a friend to main. I would have then set up a scenario where I have someone who I can always easily steamroll.

>>52766225
With all the things you can actually do to fill up a blog they choose to do some gay clickbait/outrage article every time.

Fuck that guy.

>>52768211
You really need to go back to /reddit/ with that shit. Do you even play?

>>52768221
So any Tau or Eldar player. You could break his models and they would do nothing. No one man enough plays those cucked armies.

Shitposting aside, why do you hate IG? Constantly getting table by turn 3?

>>52768162
there is this cadian defense force bundle, which seems like a good start.
other than that search ebay for cheap guardsmen bodies

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Death Guard images fucking WHEN? It's already 3 weeks since the teaser was uploaded.

>>52768240
shit is rare

also possibly the same reason why they don't field squads where each person has a machine gun: ammo is heavy and cumbersome (maybe, i dont know if gw ever said anything about plasmagun ammo)

>>52768065

Strikes me as very decent chief. Sternguard seem to do well.

>>52768256
from natfka so make of it what you will
http://natfka.blogspot.de/2017/04/deathguard-not-coming-soon-as-expected.html

Conventional wisdom says that grenade launchers aren't worth it in Imperial Guard squads. Anyone tried them much in HoR KT? Seems like they'd suffer from their typical issues but the Krak shots might be decent for 5 points.

>>52768236
Actually only /tg/. those armies have the same amount of lore and aren't shit.

IG can win, I'm not saying that you can't tailor a list that can make them be semi-competitive. The problem is the game has past them by, like orks, and they will never be able to win against good armies. They have a low ceiling. I'm not a power-gamer, I just don't want to play something that I can't create a competitive list out of and have a chance at winning a local tourney.

>>52767995
Who is this guy and can he stop the Emperor from dying and chaos eating all our souls?

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Is there ever going to be any more lore for Exorcists?
or are they just not really important

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>>52768317
They are pretty important.

>>52768245
He's not being serious. He's trying to bait to see if this poster is the same assclown for yesterday who was incredibly adamant about the only way to start IG is a platoon and any other way, even two SC! Like we suggested, was intentionally crippling yourself.
Was a total waacfag

>>52768324
Play to win is not the same as win at all cost.

You are confusing those two things

>>52768324
Not him, but if you want to win play Tau. It's so easy, as long as you aren't retarded to try melee.

>>52768229
I do, but it's clear you don't. Yarrick makes sure you almost never give up slay the Warlord. Way more durable than a CCS in a Chimera when he's in a 30-50 man blob. Less firepower, but still better for frontline orders.

>>52768262

Thanks.

The one thing that I've got on the back burner is to swap out Plasma for a missile launcher depending on who I go up against.

But I like to think it's a solid all rounder kinda list.

>>52768347
I will think about that while sending a missile barrage up your ass.

>>52768324
And IG has no room in powergaming so your point is moot. IG is a great hobbyist army. So are Nids and Orks. Let's just not defend IG as a competitive tabletop army anymore.

>>52768350
*play riptides

>>52768347
Getting this trigger by the most 40k model ever made.

Found the Taufag

>>52768317
They kinda look like Word Bearers lol

all imperium of man armies are fucking shit

space marines = gay
ig = underdog cucks
sisters of battle = waifufag losers
admech = memespouting retards from reddit
grey knights = underageb&
the rest = hipsterfucks who need to kys

>>52768374
But anon the point of a game is to win, power gaming is not playing to win, is playing to abuse the system. Missing the point of playing.

>>52768354
Not worth the points. Get's shit on by invisible deathstars and you can spend a lot less points on making a tarpit so he's not worth it.

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>>52768388
>88
Khorne is mad at the Imperium lol

>>52768388
>space marines = gay
Why would my army of muscular virile men who sleep close to each other be gay?

>>52768403
>He actually worries about Invisible Deathstars when he has access to Conscripts
Yeah, you definitely don't play.

>>52768276
they're epic in SW:A not sure about HoR though

>>52768397
>abusing the system
Just another way of saying that the game isn't played the way you want it to. Therefore, the system is abused.

>>52768411
You responded to my post about IG not being a tourney faction.

>>52768421
Those 1/3 1/6 will eventually kill everything.

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>>52768388
>all imperium of man armies are fucking shit

>space marines = gay
>ig = underdog cucks
>sisters of battle = waifufag losers
>admech = memespouting retards from reddit
>grey knights = underageb&
>the rest = hipsterfucks who need to kys

>>52768421
Thats my whole point /redditfag/ Why are you going to put Yarrick in that blob. He's just a tax since you aren't going to win combat and your blob can tarpit deathstars with way less points in them.

Is there any way of knowing you aren't being mislead by the alpha legion or knowing if there is a purple ork nearby?

Why does the Imperial Guard use flashlights while the Space Marines use badass bolters?

>>52768455
And then none of those gamemodes are going to be played and only the points system will be used.

>We just went through this with AoS

>>52768456
Oh hey more mathammer from people who don't play. Gotta love that.

>>52768464
You don't only bring one blob, dumb dumb. Again, you don't play so why does it matter. Stick to whining about Riptides, you're much better at that.

>>52768488
I do play, Tournaments. Not fluff games with my nid friend who makes Yarrick seem viable. You think deathstars are just going to walk into your blob?

Its not that I don't think you play, I don't even think you are in the right general. This is isn't roleplay. Things don't happen just because you say they will.

>>52768504
Agreed, Astra Militarum is a hobbyist army.

>>52768488

Don't know if its samefagging or a bunch of idiots in these threads, but that's not the how game works.

>>52768488
Ok, so you tailor a list to completely counter a deathstar, now tell me how you beat a MC spam/Riptides?

>>52768539
It's IG players who can't get out of 5e and realize their faction are nids/orks level and shouldn't really have a place in competitive discussions.

>>52768455
But anon the game was never meant to be play in tournaments only retards do that.

For a tournament you would need some semblance of balance and we all know 40k has none

>>52768516
>I do play, Tournaments
Now you have me laughing. Reading tournament lists from tournament results is not actually participating.
>You think deathstars are just going to walk into your blob?
Thanks for letting me know that you are bad and also that you still don't play.
>Things don't happen just because you say they will.
Right back at you.

>>52768548
It takes 175 points to counter a deathstar and to completely ignore it while you grab objectives and destroy everything else. If you want to tailor your list to counter a deathstar, it's the same shit that can kill MCs and Riptides.

>>52768559
Oh look it's the same anon who pretends to play in tournaments.

>>52768559
>>52768539
>>52768527

http://bloodofkittens.com/7th-edition-army-list-compendium/

IG has no tourney wins that aren't allied. They are not a standalone army anymore. The game is shifting toward the use of multiple formations/CADS and a standalone guard army is essentially shit at this point.

>>52768596
The age of national armies is over. Only multiculturalism can win tournaments anymore!

>>52768596
Almost no army that wins is a standalone army.

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>>52768479
Cheaper
Require less training
Rechargeable power packs are a logistics dream
All arms are a compromise sooner or later, lasguns work for most human forces against most of their targets most of the time while being mostly comfortable to carry around for most of your day when your mostly not fighting

>>52768589
>Oh look it's the same anon who pretends to play in tournaments.

What is your point? Are you trying to tell me that IG is still competitive and can win even local tourneys against netlists? Just because you bring your IG list to a tourney doesn't make it competitive.

>>52768573

Estimated numbers? Figure out how many plasma guns are available to each unit in the armylist (including combi-guns and plasma pistols). Then fill it out for a company, then extend it to the chapter.

>>52768617
Daemons, Tau, Eldar, Necron. Occassional SM.

>>52768589
Holy fuck you're autistic. Come over to my shop and beat my riptide wing. We'll play a couple of games. If you beat me more than I beat you, I'll give you my store. I have nothing against Lower tier lists. Most IG players know their place amongst the rest of them.

>>52768479
Lasguns are 1000X more efficient.

>>52768621

>folding stock not included in the image

Fake news.

>>52766721
threadly reminder to take the poll

>>52768637
Genestealers can do well too

>>52768663
>My shop

top kek

WTF did i just read

>>52768663
>My shop
>Riptide Wing
>Give you my store

my sides

>>52768573
Plasma guns are almost lost technology. There aren't many places in the Imperium that manufacture them anymore

>>52768663
I don't even know what to say. You're an idiot. I would if I could and I would show you how easy Riptide Wing is against a real Guard army, not some Mech Vet Russ shitter that talks about how cool WW2 was.

>>52768714
Not that poster, but how would you beat that with an all-comers list?

>>52768663
You're on cuck. I don't even play IG anymore but I'm a good enough tactician to beat you, for your store.

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>>52766721

>Imperial Guard far in the lead
>GW squatting them

Really fires the neurons

>>52768741
/tg/ is not at all representative of what the rest of the world plays. /tg/ plays sub-competitive factions for the most part. IG/CSM/etc

>>52768732
Huzzah Hobbies, Northern Virginia. I own the shop and I'm there everyday.

>>52768714
>No list

You're full of shit. Talk is cheap faggot. Post the list and make it Tourney competitive instead of list-tailoring

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>>52766721

>that one faggot who plays exclusively Imperial Knights

>>52766904
I hate, but love to make fun of the edgelord turn chaos has taken. Its why i have two sets of dudes, my regular chaos army who are a spin off of my loyalist chapter, and my Khorne Daemonkin, who are all named after thrash metal band members and kill, maim, burn, for Khorne.

>>52768783
>>52768776
You're the one full of shit. You don't post your list, and you give a random shop that you don't own.

>>52768801
You don't know what a riptide wing list is?

I forgot who I was talking to for a second there.

>>52768741
Well according to GW everyone plays SM, Eldar and Bought the Imperium trivunate for Celestine.

>>52768801
You're getting baited m8