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First for the Fail Bearers.

Suffer not the fail to live!

>>52764092
First for Warmaster's legion; dont mind us, we are just taking out some trash!

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>>52764084
>I4
>Has to walk
>Needs chaingibsmedats to wound better, while you can still wound a Castellax on a 5+
>His loyalist brothers' rules are a fucking meme and has almost nothing outside the charge.
:^)

>>52764183
That picture is amazing.

First for the XVIII
Unto the Anvils of war

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>>52764183
>10 points a piece

>>52764221
Reminder that unless you're the IFs dry humping ADLs with ammo stores, nobody ever uses Tacticals as anything other than tax squads, and even then most WE "Tacticals" are Surlak Inductii TM lists with little to no variety.

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>>52764208
>5th
A member of the Salamanders, here? We shall purge the unclean with fire, Ashen one.

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>>52764201
I know right. I'll be forever grateful to that anon, who decided my shitty Paint-based meme deserved an uplifting.

>>52764183
>BA tactical marine punches a castellax as hard as a krak grenade.

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perfect legion reporting

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>Ywn have canonic half-swording or murder strokes
Will power maces become relevant in the future? Especially for Chaplains.

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>>52764487
>tfw your legion is shit and you don't even pretend anymore

It's kind of liberating accepting the fact that you're nothing more than a silly Saturday morning cartoon villain.

>>52764133
Kek like that chaplain whispering at the Warmaster's ear?

>>52764092
>studs
>right shoulder
:^)

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What's on your tables tonight Anons? Long weekend just smashed out 2x Armageddon terrain sets, couple of games of 30k and base coats done on this rape train.

Would it be still competitive to play Mechanicum without using any Automatas?

>>52764950
reductor is your friend, especially with the release of secutarii
i have a 3k list with only 2 automata in it, which are vultarax to handle my AA needs

>>52764950
Oh yes, easily. Ordo Reductor does very well without a single one, and they get other toys instead in the form of a whole bunch of excellent and sexy tanks. Also makes the usual anti-Mechanicum weapons pretty useless against you, since you don't have a giant pile of vulnerable Monstrous Creatures around and that 400pt unit of plasma guns has to shoot some random Thallax or take their chances with AV13 Vindicators and Medusae.

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Could the Emperor (Lord and Master of Mankind) create a primarch so powerful that even He in all His glory couldn't defeat him?

>>52765170
I'd pay money to see daemon Angron take on daddy, the whole Khornate immunity to psychic powers would even it out somewhat and it'd be down to a physical fight.

I'm not saying he'd win necessarily but it'd be a good fight.

>>52764133
I died on Istvaan 3; if it was my call I would have fed that slithery fucker into a pit of genstealers to show him to true meaning of rape


Tangential note, what is the consensus on the Armoured Breakthrough RoW? If I run it do I deserve to be chainsawed in the dick?

>>52765170
Sanguinius apparently had a chance of taking on Demon Horus if he wasn't injured and tired after fighting for three days straight.

If Sang had gone full chaos instead of Horus, it might have happened.

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>>52765170
I mean Horus was never the strongest Primarch; had it been Angron or Sanguinius we could have seen a SERIOUS challenge to the Emperor if the gods flooded the carrier with more energy than they did Horus, but I don't believe anyone could be on the same level as him.

The Emperor was presumably born a human, and became a living avatar of energy when an untold number of shamans sacrificed their life force and energies to create his vessel out of pure love and drive for humankind; I don't think the Emperor could create something stronger than him in a lab when the best of humanity struggled to make a near-god with pureness made manifest.

>>52765580
Can agree; despite differing sources Horus got to where he did through general levels of skill but most importantly the dude knew how to get people to join his side; think Commander Shepard and Patton blended together. Angron or Sangy could beat his ass in a physical fight, but Horus could meld together people that would normally hate each other into an effective fighting force. That was his schtick; E money is straight up maxed across the board in everything but humility due to being alive for...what, 50k years by the Great Crusade?

>>52765367
It is more fun for the opponent if you aren't taking 100% tanks. The Predators you get as troops are hardly cheesy, it's just that you're more likely to get a bad matchup where it's obviously going to be a blowout in either direction. So take some dudes in transports or on bikes. Reduce the paper-scissors-rock effect.

>>52765632
Exactly. Wanting to guide humanity probably becomes beyond lifes-work at some point past the first couple hundred years. I don't think any one of us could fathom his true thoughts besides what he voiced, and the thousands of reasons behind each measured word.

>>52765650
Probably explains the poor fathering he did for the primarchs. Part of our humanity is defined by our relatively brief periods of being alive, which gives regular humans a certain perspective of reality. For E money he has potentially lived 850-1200 normal human lifetimes, had kids in some of them, others he got distracted and oops! There goes another lifetime. I wouldnt want to watch everyone I love grow old and die every time I tried to connect with people either

>>52765633
Considering it as an alternative list when my SoH grows large enough; would be armour with mech infantry as the bulk of the list.

>>52764183
Always happy to oblige anon, it was too good of an image to remain un-prettied.

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Ok, so this isn't the most balanced list, but it's everything I currently have painted for a 2250 game.

Any wargear or anything I should change? I can always use my Ixion Hale mdoel as Valdor if needed; so that's an option.

HQ: Legio Custodes Tribune w/ Praesidium Shield, Cyber-Familiar, Melta Bombs, Arae Shrikes, Digital Weapons, and Paragon Spear 277pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla/Sentinel WarBlade and Melta Bombs 310pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 6 w/ a Pyrithite Spear and Melta Bombs 375pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 325pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought 250pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Twin-Linked Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon and Extra Armor 215pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Twin-Linked Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon and Extra Armor 215pt

Total = 2247 points

Does anyone run Solar Auxilia here? If so are you looking for Leman Russ tanks? I have 5 of the things from my Guard days, looking to either sell or trade them for LA equipment

How does Taghmata fare compared to other 2 wings? I've seen a lot of Cybers and some Reductors but Taghmata seems rare for some reason.

Ok, how does LoW's 25% rule fit into Reductor's 2 LoW slots?

A) LoW 1+LoW 2 < 25%
B) LoW 1 < 25%, LoW 2 < 25%

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>>52765749
wants to take valdor, also takes shield + cyber, wonders why people hate playing this bullshit

>>52766059
Have you considered that people dump Primarchs at over 2000 points and Custodes literally have no way to properly fight it without that?

I'm not saying it's right, but try to not shit on him for something so innocuous.

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>>52766081
Good point but like 99% of that list is hard as balls you know like the whole fucking custodes options, don't really feel any pity for someone taking grey knights for 30k. Inferno was a mistake, talons should have just been simple allies or 0-2 choices for some lists. Entire 2-3k armies of the elitist of the elite just leaves a bad taste in most peoples mouths

>>52766108
I feel this, but Grey Knights struggle against most armies as is, the 30k option is nice to have but they're even more expensive and hard to work with than most.

Dude will always be outnumbered and still need to think 10 steps ahead of every player he meets.

I am a firm believer that Custodes are terribly strong, but they have some pretty severe weaknesses too.

>>52766024
I believe the rule implies that the LoW points total may not take up more than 25% of the army's total cost, no matter what is composing the slots, in entirety. This is also what I believe will be the best choice for not wanting to have your opponent bludgeon you to death over rules lawyering for being an asshat.

All you faggots talking down the Emperor have forgotten that he was an immense and power being of perpetualness BEFORE he got Chaos power ups at Molech.
Empz is all, empz is life.

>>52766024
>empz is life.
LoW is not a slot you nab, read the rules, it's a detachment. 25% is total of army list.

How to 'get the charge' with EC? HALP with tactics and stuff

>>52766183
Lnad Raiders Phobos, Spartan, Dreadclaws, Storm Eagles, Hell, a fucking Whalebird if you want; either that or make sure they can charge via pinning, (Kakophoni can help, some psychic bullshit) tie up units with lucid blade praetor+Pheonix termies for trolliest troll to ever troll, chaff units, etc etc etc. Look at what the army lets you play with and start forming a set of strategy and tactics to go together.

>>52766163
None of the sort friendo, Im saying that beyond the awesome power invested in E money, he still has his flaws; it keeps him grounded and understandable as a character

>>52766176
LAAODAL says it's 25% per choice.

>>52766338
Then why would you ask us?

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>>52766163
>So weak that he couldn't destroy a single daemon of Chaos Undivided
>He shoves it inside one of his bodyguard and runs closing the door behind him

And people motherfucking think that the Emperor can take on Horus in the final book.

>>52766361
I didn't ask shit, I corrected your statement.

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I am just going to post this here without comment.

>>52766365
The first demon of fucking murder is literally a god incarnate. It's by the very definition of undestroyable because it will never die until all of human life does.

>>52766365
But nothing is canon that I don't like.

>>52766365
ADB was a mistake

Seriously, ADB for the Emperor-centered book? What were they thinking?

>>52766389
9/10 chance that ADB is going write the final battle between the Emperor and Horus. Better show some respect, son.

>>52766401
Nah, ADB said the finale will be Dan Abnett's.

>>52766411
Nobody decides but GW and Dan would be dead by then. ADB is still a young man.

>>52766440
Maybe, but Abnett's plotlines will perpetually haunt the horus heresy novel series.

>>52764468
>punches
Specifically says they need a melee type weapon. So a BA tactical marine KNIFES a castellax as hard as a krak grenade.

>>52766625
What is a power fist?

>>52766625
If you have a pistol, it counts as a CCW in close combat. So you're pistol whipping them.

>>52766657
Something that hits significantly harder than a krak grenade and therefore isn't what we were talking about?
>>52766667
>If you have a pistol, it counts as a CCW in close combat.
Technically yes, but then the entire first bit of Encarmine Fury is pointless. Everything has a pistol, so the distinction that they HAVE to be using a Melee type weapon means absolutely nothing. I would rule they need to buy or have an actual CCW.

>>52766733
>FW can't read the rules
>more news at 11

>>52766759
To restate my original point, the idea of a bunch of blood angels pistol-whipping everything is fucking stupid unless they're a Moritat or a destroyer. I like my Blood Angels like I like my Captain Amit, rippy as fuck.

>>52766783
But that's what an unupgrade tactical squad does. Without a CCW they only have their pistol.

>>52766800
Do you even know what we're arguing about?

>>52766733
>but then the entire first bit of Encarmine Fury is pointless
No it isn't, it means you don't get the bonus for overwatch (which is still part of "fighting in an assault") or hammer of wrath.

>>52766807
BA having +1 to wound with a Melee weapon?

>>52766816
Overwatch is before models are moved into assault, but the Hammer of Wrath bit is a fair point that i will concede. I hadn't thought of that.

>>52766411
>Dan Abnett version of the Emperor Horus fight
>Horus wrought a mighty blow on the Master of Mankind's midsection tossing him to the ground, his weapon struck to the ground with the force. "Father, I never wanted it to end like this", Horus whispered, as much to himself as to his father. Suddenly sixteen companies of Ultramarines teleported around Horus, levelled their bolters and fired. At their head Roboute Guilliman stood and as his brother bled out on the ground spat the curse "Psssh, nothing personal kid". Once again proving his mastery of all forms of warfare Roboute's plan then became evident as super secret techno viruses implanted over 20 years earlier into the operating systems of the traitor legions' power armour caused every traitor to explode in a great ball of flame. All throughout the Imperium the word "Ultramarines!" was chanted by man, woman and child. Roboute cared not for he was too busy finger blasting some Eldar sluzza he'd picked up on the ride over.

Okay, so why are people struggling with Custodes when they don't have their bikes, aka their best unit, just yet?

Sure they can beat face in assault, but they're basically just footslogging fancypants terminators. You know what kills terminators? Good AP or raw volume of fire whilst maintaining a brisk walking pace in the other direction.

Pretty sweet dreads as dreads go, but dreads have never been intimidating bedsides the Deredeo.

Caladius? It's a nice tank, really nice, but given it's volume of fire it's not only limited to certain roles, it has high overlap with what Custard Melee is good at killing.

Coronus? Pallas? Sagittarum? Garbage.

Where's their anti-horde? Where's there anti-air? Where's there speed? Where's their objective holding?

>>52766867
>someone said ultramarines are sues
Run for your lifes, here comes the smurf rage

>>52766895
>Sagittarum? Garbage.
>Where's their anti-horde?
Kek.

>>52766895
>Sure they can beat face in assault, but they're basically just footslogging fancypants terminators. You know what kills terminators? Good AP or raw volume of fire whilst maintaining a brisk walking pace in the other direction.

Guess that rules out close combat legions then. You know, like a good half of the Traitor legions are?

>>52766915

I...

Heavy Bolters at almost 3 times the cost of the same number of marines with heavy bolters.

Calling that anti-horde.

>>52766895
>Good AP
beaten by 2 wounds

>raw volume of fire
beaten by toughness 5

>S10 AP2 blasts
beaten by 3" coherency

There is not a lot of weapons that can be taken in sufficient quantity to hurt custodes in the same way that they can hurt terminators.

>>52766938

So the complaining is World Eaters players trying to charge into a blender then expressing outrage that it didn't work?

>>52766895
lists taking valdor or other HQ bullshit to give infiltrating, deep striking and other rubbish, small upgrades fuck with blast templates because of "reasons", literally every selection is god tier and hard as balls, pretty much all weaknesses are covered via various upgrades or other units, only downside? small model count of almost unkillable mostly gold + wash low effort models, but yeah forge your narrative and have "fun"

>>52766965
WEs being what they are that's probably exactly what would happen in the fluff, then they would charge again and the whole thing would repeat.

Unless ADB is writing things where WEs can charge a shield wall supported by vindicators and still win somehow.

>>52766957
Krios venators?

>>52767005

>Unless ADB is writing things where WEs can charge a shield wall supported by vindicators and still win somehow

Angron sent wave after wave of Astartes until the Vindicators hit their pre-set kill limit and shut down.

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>>52766965
>the in-fluff premier close combat legion shouldn't be able to stand a chance against other high end close combat armies

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>>52767005
>smurfags accusing other legions of plot armour

>>52767029

>Charging I5 that ignores your armour
>Expecting to do well

No, it does not make sense for the World Eaters to do well against Custodes. The nails/Khorne won't let them adopt the tactics any other legion could have applied to actually win.

>>52766938
>Guess that rules out close combat legions then. You know, like a good half of the Traitor legions are?
why do you think they fuckin' lost the war

>>52766867
>As the Emperor and Sanguinius arrived in Horus' throneroom, a curious sight awaited them
>The warmaster lay in the corner, his knees hugged to his chest, sobbing like an infant
>His mighty warplate had been painted in glittering cobalt, and what looked like a toilet seat spray painted gold had been glued to his pauldron, with multiple horseshoes adorning the rest of his equipment.
>"Father" he brought out between his tears, "why did you not make me an Ultramarine? Then this all could have been avoided" he cried as he rose. In that moment, Sanguinius noticed that he, too, was not a son of Guilliman and died of shame. Then the Emperor killed Horus with mind bullets for being a brat. "I really should have made Guilliman Warmaster" the Emperor thought, turned to leave but tripped over dead Sanguinius' wings and fell on his own sword, where Dorn found him. The End

>>52767044
World Eaters are the orks of 30k, they win by bringing lots of cheap models who utilise their legion rules to make the opponent roll buckets of save rolls.

It's one thing to say an individual World Eater can go toe to toe with a custodian but throw enough shit and eventually something will stick.

>>52767005
It's almost as if battles in the lore aren't limited to some sort of arbitrary point system that both sides abide by.

>>52767072

Sure, but how much do they even outnumber the ten thousand?

>>52767005
>Unless ADB is writing things where WEs can charge a shield wall supported by vindicators and still win somehow.
So you're saying what, the vindies should have fired into their own lines? Or that aggressive close combat "tactics" are completely invalid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfcpyMdEwzM

>>52767092
Given that an individual standard custodian costs six and a half times as much as one standard world eater with bolt pistol and chainaxe, 6.5:1?

>>52767135
As a Custodes player, I will say this:

If we don't get the charge against WE we suffer, even with CounterAttack; the WE getting those extra attacks make a HUGE difference between life and death. We WILL get bogged down and fucked up the ass by that unless our Dreads run in and hold the enemy down, and if our shooting wasn't effective we have very little chance.

I fucking love playing my Custodes, but numbers will eat them alive with sheer volume of attacks thrown at them. The best defense against WE is the Praesidium Shield, and unless you're Hetaeron or a Captain/Tribune, those Sentinel Warblades aren't going to generate the extra attacks needed for staying power.

The lore makes them much hardier because they should be, but on the tabletop they play like buff as fuck Grey Knights and nothing more. You want raw firepower with bodies? Run Sisters of Silence with them. Don't wanna? learn to time your hand to hand or you will fucking lose every single time. Weight of fire and attacks will still kill us every single time.

Is there a grey / white marker / pen that I can use to shade / highlight? Because I'm terrible at using brush.

>>52766957
I'm terribly fond of destroyer squads vs custodes. Getting rad phage going means my power fists, in terminators or otherwise now ID them reliably. Also makeans my normal anti tank vets with combi meltas can wreck shop with ID. Lascannons also do the trick now. Basically I rad phage a squad per turn. It helps a lot.

What the fuck is with the Legion strawpoll at the moment? 41% of people say they want to play Blood Angels?

>>52766867
>>52767058
Now I want people to do how each of the HH Authors would do the final battle. McNeil, French, Wraight, Thorpe, Swallow etc.

>>52767296
Personally I really enjoy facing Custodes, I run a Sons of Horus 1st Company list with Abaddon and Justaerin as my main ground troops. It's like a Darth Vader vs. Luke Skywalker battle every time.

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>>52767191
They can beat my night lords even when charged while outnumbered and in nightfighting, simply due to being too fucking tough. While thematic, its made me be unable to win against the golden boys for four games out of four, which is disheartening as i hate denying games due to imbalance. I can handle yiffs and 1ksons, and have only lost against 1ksons when they proxied a magnus, but custodes hard-counter me.

>>52767448

Do you not take Bolters? Plasma? Any ranged firepower worth speaking of?

Guy expressing disbelief of inability to counter Custodes here: I'll clarify I did say before bikes.

With bikes? Jesus, that's a scary army, plugs a lot of their limitations just from how crazy broken that one unit is. No AP melee, but hey they gotta have one thing they can't do.

>>52767492

>No AP2

Sorry my mother was rambling about her medication whilst I was typing that.

>>52764690
Damage doesn't always conveniently happen on one side only to be repaired. Although this guy seems to have ONLY put them on the right.

The Primarchs are standing on increasingly bigger and bigger bases. Is the Emperor going to be standing on top of a complete Imperator Titan wreck?

>>52767557
That's like miniscule by that point. So it will be more likely the crashed wreck of a Battle Barge.

>>52767557
No, all the 18 primarchs combine to form his base, on top of which he will stand.

>>52767557
Nah, that will be Sanguinius, the emperor will be on a scale model of the Vengeful Spirit's command centre.

>>52767296
Personally I'm a big fan of artillery, infantry screens and Myrmidons, since they can rarely shoot enough to down a Medusa in one turn with proper placement, and if it's anything short of dead an Enginseer squad w/Magos is guaranteed to get it at least operational and possibly back to full entirely. It's so much fun watching the peerless warriors of the Emperor's Guard charge through a hail of death to stab what might as well be straw dummies for how much they cost me. Sense of scale, motherfuckers.

Why did the Emperor not take weapons from the Myrmidax orders for his guard? They're way better at shooting than Custodes, punch almost as hard and have much better support, plus there's way more of them so you wouldn't be capped at 10k because Terra's industrial output is barely enough to support a single regiment of elite troops. And they can actually deal with a Predator or a few Rhinos without calling in a Titan or hiking up to melee range.

>>52767492
Well, Jetbikes are pretty consistently the most OP unit type, especially with heavy weapons. We've all seen Eldar.
They're at least not quite as immune to plasma and such as the troops thanks to only 5++ base, and Jinking is damn expensive with two lascannon per bike. Hoping I can blindside them with a Krios Venator or some Darkfires and maybe kill one or two. Do they have Skilled Rider?

On the OP side, TWO LASCANNON PER BIKE, with T6, 2+ and W2. A squad of three is pretty much a more mobile Riptide with better gun and slightly less durability.

>>52767465
Night lords, so my fun TAC regular list is three terror squads, batman in a blob of raptors with a chappy, some teleporting termies, a Xiphon and a dorito. The raptors and terror squad have apothecaries
>bolters
sure, one in eighteen chance of wounding a 2w model, thats not a solution.
>plasma
For my generic teleporting termies, they bring powerfists and combiplas, and they kill two custodes if they're troops, or one if its hets. Then they get charged and murdered before swinging. If i proxied my dorito to have plasma, it'd get blown up by their crazy tank long before getting in range.
>volkite
best option, but it only ever gets a few, even with s5 preferred enemy. then im in range for my dudes to get royally fucked by survivors.

Their null deployment deepstrike shenanigans stop me from infiltrating to a good spot, and if they're doing mechanised i can't even touch them. Basically, unless i ignore everything legion-unique about my dudes, and run an artillery gunline, i am hard-countered, which is no fun for anyone.

Batman can kill a unit of non-hets per turn if his blob gets a charge, and can pick off damaged squads by himself if he splits off and runs solo, but a tribune or valdor both kill him, as valdor has done before.

>>52767590
MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER PRIMARCHS

>>52767448
I think this is how a lot of people feel. Ranged armies can't beat them unless they're tailored to defeat Custodes, close combat armies don't have a chance against them.

I just feel like they don't fit in with the meta as a whole which is really disheartening for me because I always felt until quite recently that the cool thing about HH is that even if there were balancing issues I always felt no matter what Legion my opponent took I at least had a fighting chance.

>>52767557
They'll actually genetically engineer super human demi-gods to stand on the table and stamp on the enemy's models.

>>52767598
>>52767465
Oh yeah, and one of them has been overheard saying he'll try to catch Batman with his freshly painted dread, which is death to my only moderately effective unit for half the price, so now i have to dodge both a big dread and a shield tribune and/or valdor
>>52767606
I do fine against other legions, even have a positive w/l against inferno legions that everyone seems terrified of, but custodes fuck my shit sideways. Maybe WE have a chance what with their number of attacks, but i don't have much hope for them

>>52767557

It'll be an Emperor with scenic base/Imperator Titan dual kit, only able to be built one way of the other.

>>52767642

That's fine, I'll magnetise it.

>>52767636
>Maybe WE have a chance what with their number of attacks

Aaaan that's probably why the local cuckstodes player allies a Malcador Infernus in and just wipes out half the WE units in one turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmoeZHnOJKA

Daily reminder that the Ultramarines are the Heresy's version of Team America.

>>52767428
I play Luna wolves but I've been itching to do some Sons of Horus so I can take Maloghurst or Abaddon. Their legion rules and units synergize really well.

The way you describe it sounds very much Vader vs Skywalker. Justaerin are just excellent. Try combining destroyer squads with your justaerin for some stomping.

>>52767667
What a fucking fag.

>>52767762
I'd really love to do some more work on my Sons, but unfortunately I have really bad ADHD so I'm back to working on my first HH love and am re-doing World Eaters set at Terra, with lots of Khorne symbols and bunny ears and after that I wanted to do Afrikakorps themed Iron Warriors since my grandfather fought for Germany in Africa as a tank commander so I have a shit load of pictures of him in uniform and around his tank as well as his journal from the war to work from.

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>>52767675
Nah, team america arrive in time to save the day. Ultramarines are those police/soldiers that turn up in droves at the end of an action movie after the hero's done all the work.

What do people think of Malcadors as heavy support choices for legions? Specifically the battlecannon/demo cannon variants?

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>>52766867

If best primarch had been made warmaster, the imperium would be in a golden age right now, Horus was a fat pile of garbage. What do people even like about him?

pic related, objectively best primarch

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>>52767667
>hurp derp playin for the fluff
Custodes were a mistake, there is hardly any room for a 'your dudes' army, no real fluff reason for an army of them.

>my custodes were taking part in a secret war against the traitors across the galaxy, they took all their best equipment from Terra and are lead by mister immortal
bullshit, custodes messed about on Terra unless they were specifically ordered by the emperor to do something. Their in fluff actions were; make sure this failing primarch stops messing about, go and accompany this primarch in arresting this other primarch and watch over this primarch while he uses my super secret gene tech. All of the custodes actions outside of the Sol system involved the emperors orders and having something massively to do with a primarch, for god's sake the custodes didn't even go to Istvaan V except almost by accident and they didn't actually have anything to do with the actual battle.

They should have been limited to an ally only army consisting of HQs of Shield Captains and Troops of Custodian Guard Squads and some kind of grav transport, no cyber familiars and the praesidium shield increases invulnerable saves by 1 to a maximum of 3. I'd even be fine with constant AP2, assault transports and Eternal Warrior on them all is you could only get and HQ and two units of troops.

>>52767879
>MUH BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

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>>52767855
It's a good... solid... tank.

A reply to asking about a release date for the Inferno FAQ

> Thanks for the email We do not currently have a date for an FAQ. We do know that our design team are still accepting rules questions to have them updated at a later date but we will likely not hear about the release date till it is actually upon us. the tend to push things out as soon as they are done though with new publications in the plans we simply have no idea where they are with what projects.

How long is the average gap between a books release and its subsequent FAQ?

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>>52767893
Well, I dunno how BL is treating things now, but Custodes used to be far more involved in the galaxy. They weren't all golden bananaramas all the time, since many were infiltrators and spies guarding the Emperor by stopping attempts on his life/plots of rebellion on far-off worlds.

Now, FW may have (for whatever reason) retconned all that, but if it still can be I personally see no reason why a dozen or so golden boys couldn't head off to battle when traitors get uncomfortably close. But I guess no one cares about fluff anymore.

>>52767930
Last FW FAQ was Jan last year, I think book 6 was released after that in Feb so we've been waiting over a year for that.

>>52766867
Isnt this the matt ward version? I think when hes sleeping peacefully, muttering courage and honour, this is what hes dreaming of

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>>52767965
>I dunno how BL is treating things now
Basically the three examples I listed. Where can I read about the custodes being all big guy CIA, because it sounds pretty interesting.

>>52767879

lol no, It would have ended in a different heresy, one closer to the conflict Smurf and Dorn fought out in the aftermath about the Codex. This is something i'd consider likely to happen when the GC drew to a close.
In that case, i'd say the traitor lineup would look something like this
- Horus: Because butthurt cos passed over for the position of Warmaster
- Lorgar cos of religious Hateboner
- Alpharius cos they hate eachother with a passion, if not for the fact that Guiliman was an insufferable ass to him, then just to prove he was better.
- The Lion because passed over while being a better man for the job, not to mention i don't think he'd appriciate the Smurfs telling him what to do with his legion, not to mention the oldest of the bunch (and wars have been started for less)

no clear idea on who else to add to the "traitor" side in that scenario

>>52767965
Eh, i have AL and custodes, fluffed as part of a super secrit mission captureing DAoT relics, and making sure the mechanicum plays ball with them

>>52767825
Basically this. Ultramarines are the on-deck in-the-wings support legion/chapter

>>52768023

Gulliman becomes a secular arch-heretic by starting up imperium secondus with an even bigger superiority complex. Things devolve along purely ideological battle lines whilst Lorgar stands on the sidelines and bitches about how everyone should be listening to his "True Gods".

>>52768023
>no clear idea on who else to add to the "traitor" side in that scenario
Probably Mortarion, Perturabo, Curze and Angron could all be persuaded by Horus again, not like it took a lot of effort the first time. Fulgrim would probably fall because of the sword. No Horus being warmaster means no new orders for Russ so Magnus would probably be loyal until Tzeentch found another way to dick him over.

I disagree that the Lion would rebel since he was all 'loyalty is it's own reward', I imagine he would be a bit more sideline in things while remaining loyal hoping that Guilliman dies and he can sweep in after the dust settles to be the new Warmaster.

Were we ever given an actual reason why Khan stayed loyal? I'm not sure what he would do in this instance.

>TRAITOR
Horus - due to butthurt
Lorgar - due to butthurt
Alpharius - due to butthurt
Mortarion - due to mustache twirling
Perturabo - due to mustache twirling
Curze - due to mustache twirling
Angron - due to mustache twirling
Fulgrim - due to daemon sword shenanigans

>100% LOYAL TO EVERYTHING
Guilliman
Sanguinius
Ferrus
Corax
Vulkan
Dorn
Russ

>LOYAL TO EMPEROR WHILE SECRETLY HOPING HIS IMMEDIATE BOSS DIES
Lion

>LOYAL UNTIL BAD PERILS ROLL
Magnus

>WHO KNOWS
Khan

>>52767996
It's in waaay older stuff iirc- like second ed. or even Rogue Traitor. It was really cool stuff though, like they'd deploy years in advance to stop a small cabal from ever being able to pop up, kinda like GK now except without the whole spontaneous murderfest once they make planetfall.

But nooooooo, a bunch of bright yellow bodyguards popping up across the galaxy for no reason is muuuuch better. Thanks BL!

however it won't stop me from brining my 3k (somewhat balanced) Custodes list anytime I wanna play how space Marines fluff makes them sound like they should play

>>52768029
That's not bad.

Honestly, I feel "horrors of the DAoT and the Age of Strife" is a good reason for the Custodes to act in 30k.

>>52768132
>Were we ever given an actual reason why Khan stayed loyal?
Yes. The Khan swore an oath to serve the Emperor faithfully, and he considers being an oath-breaker worse than being a traitor to the Imperium.

>>52768137
>Thanks BL!
You have it backwards. Their presentation in BL stories has them acting out of armor, working counter-terrorism style operations on Terra, as well as occasionally working alongside Malcador's Knights Errant, though not happily. It's the GW presentation of them that keeps them all armored and gold.

>>52767970
Dan Abnett is just as much of a smurfs fanboy as Ward ever was. He crowbars them in whenever he can and makes them inhumanly powerful while he has a whole thing about making the traitor Sons insanely incompetent/stupid/cartoonishly evil. In Vengeful Spirit, what should have finally been a Sons of Horus novel from the perspective of the perspective of the traitors where they get their time in the spotlight not only is half the novel spent from the perspective of that walking, talking avatar of the Sue that is Loken but a small number of Ultramarines manages to completely dominate a much larger force of Sons led by a member of the Mournival.

Then later in the same novel some random Ultramarine manages to be completely on equal footing in a fight alongside the knights errant with Horus' bodyguard armed with only a combat knife and no armour.

>>52768202
Dan Abnett didn't write Vengeful Spirit. You mean Graham McNeil.

And no, I don't care how much people love Storm of Iron and A Thousand Sons, McNeil is shit nowadays.

>>52768175
Basically this. Also, Khan was one of if not the most reasonable and mature of all primarchs in most matters. From the use of psykers to his relationships with his fellow primarchs to his understanding and comfort with his role in the galaxy as more or less a weapon meant to conquer. Something that a lot of primarchs, like Curze, Lorgar, even Corax on occasion, had trouble coming to terms with.

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>>52768202

but that's lore accurate though...

>>52768132
>Perturabo - due to mustache twirling
Due to battle fatigue and Dorn being a showboating gloryhound who took all the easy missions where he got to build defenses when he was just as good if not better than Dorn at doing this.
>Curze - due to mustache twirling
Due to the Emperor's hypocrisy. If someone was damaging the Imperium the Emperor had no problem exterminating them, but when the Night Haunter bombed Nostramo because it was poisoning his legion from the inside he was labelled a madman and a traitor.
>Angron - due to mustache twirling
Due to the fact that not only having serious issues with authoritarian government due to have being a slave which he expressed upon being taken. He then found out the Emperor literally had a force of Custodes as well as a huge force of the World Eaters in orbit when he plucked him off his homeworld and could have literally sent them in to win his big battle and not have all of Angron's friends and adopted family be massacred in their last stand.

>>52768195
>BL is actually the good guys

Well, that's..... a twist. Coolio then, I assume it's in MoM that this happens? 'Cause I've been putting that off after hearing how ADB tried his best to ruin Emps.

>>52768255
Dorn actually didn't care much for glory the way Perturabo did. Dorn only cared about duty, and went where he was sent.

>>52768275
>fists fanboys actually believe this

>>52768285
I don't play fists. I play SoH. Iron Warriors are one of the coolest legions with one of the derpiest primarchs. Perturabo had a chip on his shoulder for all the wrong reasons and came off as a petulant child because of it.

>>52768260
It's in a handful of places. There's a Dan Abnett story called the Blood Games, plus the James Swallow Garro series.

The GW side of things is limited because they're only going to discuss the elements of the Custodes that they can put into a tabletop army.

Petulabo !!!

>>52768255
Angron has a legitimate reason but the other two basically had temper tantrums.

Perturabo basically turned his legion into a meatgrinder force designed to crack hard targets while taking massive casualties, if the only tool in your arsenal is a hammer people are going to ask you to hit a lot of nails.

Curze exterminatus-ed a whole planet, a legion homeworld no less, because he felt like it and not just scour the surface he blew the whole thing up. He was given a very minor punishment compared to his crime and still refused to see what was wrong. If the emo kid keeps killing his pet kittens because they scratch it's time to not buy him any more kittens.

>Dorn being a showboating gloryhound
I don't think you know Dorn

>>52766365
>Muh Speshull demon of murder
Is this the abomination called ADB that people keep referencing?

>>52768389
Eh. I think it's a good plot device. It ties in the very genesis of humanity, the emperor, and its doom. plus it gives weight to the emperor being a man, a nearby impossibly powerful man, but still a man nonetheless.

I'm fine with it.

>>52768487
I heavily disagree with the name chosen though, because that goes against everything already known in the lore about the daemon weapon.

But maybe ADB was too bussy wanking over his "Chaos best stepdad" writing to be original and come up with his own daemon name.

>>52768366
>Curze exterminatus-ed a whole planet, a legion homeworld no less, because he felt like it
No, he did it because it was literally poisoning the Night Lords legion. As time went on they were becoming more and more sociopathic because the only people who were physically strong enough to make recruitment were psychotic street thugs.

>>52768587
Then he should have fixed his legion, culled the criminal elements of Nostromo and found a new recruitment planet, there were so many other options than straight up exterminatus. Curze was next to useless and had a pathetic reason for turning traitor.

>>52768611
That would've taken decades and way more effort than Curze felt the legion was worth at that point. Half of him would've made that effort. The other half would've happily had the whole legion drive themselves into a star.

>>52767996
There's only half of one story that straight up has Custodes being James Bonds story, Blood Games by Abnett.

Them being variously super-ninja see-aye-ayy is just mentioned in other stuff as dressing, ie Valdor doing the Milk Tray Man at the start of MoM, the Custodes running various depts and meetings in various other books.

>>52768667
yeah you're right, easier to just blow up a planet and turn traitor.

>>52768611
>Their reputation was hard-won through hundreds of campaigns, unleashing their specific brand of terror upon those they conquered. It was never enough to take a world in the Emperor’s name. To cement the Master of Mankind’s rule, populations must be utterly quelled into obedience. Obedience through fear. A Night Lords strike force would ravage the heart of a world’s leadership, crucifying the bodies of its rulers on public address pict-screens, burning the monument-houses to the planet’s false gods, and systematically peeling back a society’s skin to expose the weaknesses beneath. In their wake, shattered populations lived the lives of loyal, silent Imperial citizens, never even whispering a word of rebellion. And as the years passed, resistance faded. The gene-forged warriors of the Night Lords grew discontent with this. Not only discontent, but bored. When the order came from Terra—the insane demand that the Night Lords and their primarch father return to suffer the chastisement of the Emperor—discontent and boredom faded to be replaced by the birth of a new emotion. The Night Lords grew bitter. They, who had whored their humanity away in the fires of the Emperor’s wars. They, who had allowed themselves to be moulded into the Imperium’s truest weapon of terror. They were to pay for these deeds, like sinners kneeling before an angry god? Indignity. Madness. Blasphemy.

>>52768564
No, ADB is a stated believer in the '40K has an inevitable Bad Ending' side of things, which makes it obvious why he chose that named daemon, because in the Bad Ending, the Emperor is inevitably killed by the guy who wields that daemon and why the fuck are we trying to avoid spoilers.

It's completely appropriate and logical in a particular viewpoint that Drach be believed able to kill the Emperor. If one doesn't like it, that's just a matter of personal preferences and that's fine. But it's not a bad idea.

>>52768701
Not really sure why this is relevant? Every legion went to war and many legions were something more than soldiers. Just because the NLs got swept up in their edgy batman routine doesn't mean they were good or justified in any way.

>>52768701
It's because they went too far. From dispassionately understanding and measuredlu executing their roles and the monsters needed for a better tomorrow to a gang of murderboners terrorizing, maiming, and massacring for its own sake.

>>52768791
>>52768792
That's the point he was making though. The Night Haunter ordered a horrific, evil thing be done in the service of a greater good and for the Emperor to label him a traitor for that was massively hypocritical.

>“Speak, Soul Hunter. The others understand, but I hear your thoughts. You have
framed it in words better than any other. Even our honourable and verbose Malcharion.” Malcharion nodded in respect to Talos, and the gesture gave him impetus to speak. “This is not entirely about the Legion.” “Continue.” Again, the marble claw invited more. “This is a lesson from a son to his father, just as you instruct us in the principles to continue this crusade, you will show your own father, who watches all from the Golden Throne, that you will die for your beliefs. Your sacrifice will echo in your father’s heart forever. You believe your martyrdom will set a fiercer example than your life.” “Because…?” The Night Haunter smiled again, a fanged smirk that had nothing to do with delight. Talos drew a breath to speak the words he’d seen in his dreams. The words his gene-sire would speak before the assassin’s blade fell. “Because death is nothing compared to vindication.”

>>52768743

Anyone could kill the emperor nowadays, all you need is five minutes alone with the golden throne and a sledgehammer.

>>52768842

It's hard to ascribe meaning to the night haunter's actions in turning traitor then letting himself die.

He's just kinda going "See? See?" and nobody really gets what he's on about. Nobody asked you to be an edgy guro fetishist in the first place dude. Emps just didn't get low enough on his priority list to tell you to knock it off for a good while.

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Looking around for bits for my Dark Angels Delegatus

Can anyone recommend anything for his Terran Greatsword?

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>>52769047
I plan on using a GK nemesis sword. The dude on the bottom right is the one I want.

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>>52769047
Grey Knight swords with some of the wires removd maybe ?

>>52768998
>Emps just didn't get low enough on his priority list to tell you to knock it off for a good while.
Because he didn't want him to knock it off. The Night Lords were one of the Legions the Emperor employed when he really, really wanted a specific message conveyed. The Night Haunter needed to destroy Nostramo because its inherently evil culture was turning the Night Lords from a Legion that was a necessary evil to one that revelled in its evil.

This combined with the Night Haunter's black and white morality meant it couldn't just be allowed to get away with what the planet had done to his Legion. The Emperor never had a problem with it as long as it was convenient but he decided to draw the line at some arbitrary point because it was his homeworld.

And it's no surprise the dude was fucked in the brain, first he was forced to grow up without a family on a planet that basically personified chaotic evil, then he was moulded into the Emperor's psychotic terror weapon for two hundred years.

>>52768998
He turns traitor for the same reason Perty goes traitor, fear of the Emperor's censure and Horus exploiting that fear and the tensions between the primarchs.

>>52769257

Well I mean, Perty really only had himself to blame given that he seemed to think random decimations are motivating.

The heresy novels really make a massive plot hole out of how little shits the emperor had about how each legion was ran.

>>52769163
The psychic visions of the worst possible futures certainly didn't help matters either.

>>52769315
was it really a plot hole? I mean as long as they did their job they got a relatively free reign. The only legion told to shape up were WBs and this was only because they were taking too long doing things, not because they were excessively violent or didn't care about casualties.

It seemed like primarchs like Guilliman and Dorn cared more than the Emperor.

>>52769381

Of course it's a plot hole, he made no effort to have his shit together. Nobody thought to point out "Sir Angron, Curze, and Perturabo are flagrantly going to go rogue."

>>52769462
Is that what happened or did he just not give a fuck as long as they were conquering planets a good rate? Literally the only time he got involved was when Lorgar was conquering planets too slowly.

>>52769462
a plot hole is where something doesn't make sense within the established realms of a story. Given how uncaring the emperor seems to be I don't think that this counts as a plot hole. He literally just didn't give a shit until Curze started blowing up planets.

>>52768132

Not bad, although i feel that the conflict between Guiliman and Russ would be rather pronounced, Likewise, personal friendship with Horus is no guarantee for Legions to join the Traitors though

>>52769502
I agree with this. He treated the primarchs like tools. As long as they were working for his purposes he was fine with them.

>>52764652
Still, its gotta be hard losing all the time. But considering Dawn of War exists I can empathize with the being reduced to a cartoon villain

>>52769587
>i feel that the conflict between Guiliman and Russ would be rather pronounced
Yeah I can imagine that, I don't think Russ would act that differently in any case, he would just fly around doing his own thing but Guilliman would be frustrated by it.

>Likewise, personal friendship with Horus is no guarantee for Legions to join the Traitors though
While that is a good point (Sanguinius being the prime example) it wasn't really friendship that allowed Horus to turn the likes of Mortarion, Perturabo, Curze and Angron in the first place. They all had an axe to grind, Horus just showed them where the grind stone was.

>>52769587
This. Khan, Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius, were all pretty close to Horus relatively speaking, especially Sanguinius.

>>52767545
>>52764690
It's because as much as it triggers some people that battle damage wouldn't be on the side facing the enemy, it equally triggers others that you wouldn't have the emblem on the left pad.

And no if you put the legion emblem on the right shoulder you should fucking kill yourself.

>>52768929
Yeah, but he won't stay dead. That might actually help him.

>>52769694
My Alpha Legion have their legion icon on the right shoulderpad because Just As Planned and Fuck your iconographic dictatorship.

>>52769675
the Khan was probably closer to Magnus than Horus, hence the initial doubts on the Imperial side on what allegiance the Khan would take after the censure of the Thousand Sons.

>>52769744
>Alpha Legion player
of course

>>52769769
>>52769675

It should be noted that right before the heresy, Khan originally was thinking of taking his legion and fucking off from the Imperium for one galaxy spanning joy ride. Which wouldnt technically be turning traitor just not being directly involved in anything.

In any case he was one of the only non autistic primarchs, even making fun of Mortarion for being fucking stupid

>>52769769
Right, but other than Magnus, Horus, and especially the Luna Wolves, got on quite well with Khan and the Scars where others didn't.

>>52769839

Mortarion was a dude created specifically to fulfill Nurgle's needs. He was fleshed out to hate tyrants, sorcerors and psykers and ended up on the side with unrestrained sorcery, tyrants and witches

>>52769856
Khan and Sanguinius seemed to get along just fine based off of Scars.

>>52769856
true enough, that exchange program between the Luna Wolves and the Scars probably helped there too.

>>52769047
Giant deathwing termie sword from the deathwing knight/ terminator command squad kit

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>>52769839
>>52768222

Khan was definitely one of the most level headed and flexible thinking of primarchs. Makes the rest look like petty twerps.

>>52769124
Thanks anon! Had been wondering what bitz had been used to made those.

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>mfw there are people actually trying to rationalise any of the decisions made by the Emperor or the Primarchs when quite clearly they're all on the spectrum and don't feel human emotions properly.

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>>52765170
No because He's not all-powerful, all-knowing and in all places. He is all-benevolent, but that doesn't mean He's not ruthless when He needs to, and it doesn't extend to filthy xenos.

>>52770051
Khan was k.

>>52770223
Up until he ran off into the warp.

>>52770231
All the loyal Primarchs randomly running off to the warp to go jerk off for 10,000 years is still one of the cheapest copouts i've seen GW ever pull. Its like "hey, should we maybe hang out and trying and try and maintain the ruined remains of our fathers dreams?" "Na we gonna auto-felate in the warp for a bit."

Question. Why are Primarchs not immediately hit with whatever Titans, Daemon Lords, Archmagi, Orbital Strikes, dozens of Myrmidons or whatever else is around the moment they step onto the front line? I mean Corax makes sense, as does Alphy and Curze, but someone like Russ or Angron? Why not blitz him, given he's an extremely obvious dude who's only about as tough as an Archmagos, and they die plenty?

>>52770308
But time flows differently in the warp, so maybe it hasn't been 10,000 years for them.

(To pull out on of GW's other favourite cop-outs.)

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>>52770321
They sometimes try. Doesn't always work.

>>52770321
You forget the strongest shield of all. The character shield, primarch run into battle wearing their plot armor, swing their sword that is the very incarnation of dues ex machina, and blocking all incoming attacks with their character shield.

>>52770321
Angron literally held a Warhound titan on his shoulders for a good few minuntes to keep it from stamping an unconscious Lorgar.

Primarchs are massively undercut in crunch for balance.

>>52770308
It's one of the main reasons I'm glad my primarch is dead. That and they can't bring him back with some shitty model for 40k.

>>52770337
Ten bucks says when the other get shit out by the warp they will have not developed even an ounce more of character either. Which makes since for rawbutt, but one would think maybe Russ sat around for a few years and thought. "Am I an asshole?"

>>52770394
>tfw you like the 40k magnus way more than that 3rd party looking ... thing FW created.

>>52770394
>tfw your Primarch isn't confirmed dead so he'll probably be brought back to live in Guilliman's shadow

>>52770385

This kinda shit is the cancer that's killing the fluff. Making them so strong nobody else matters except as glorified scenery.

>>52770419
It's all different opinions. Personally I like the new model, but you do you anon.

we could get into an autistic rage fest if you really want though

>>52770458
To be fair, Angron was horribly injured because of it. And some anon did the math showing that Angron wasn't even holding up that much.

>>52770451
I kinda want my dorn back, mostly so he and guilliman can bicker...

>>52770419

Yeah, the FW Magnus is weak.

>swirling debris that isn't as well executed as GW plastics, and 200% cast-iron guaranteed to break
>awkward stiff pose
>strange proportions
>can't get iconic nipple horns to work on janky model, so we'll just ditch them lol

>>52770507
Yeah with the under inspired Magnus model I'm kinda scared whats going to happen with the working man's primarch

>>52770479

Holding up a Warhound's foot isn't much?

>>52770385
And? He blocked a Stomp, he didn't tank the turbolasers to the face. Even if he had killed it, I'd trade two Warhounds per Primarch. They're actually pretty good as is, as far as I can tell, since the default reaction of any player on seeing one is DIE DIE DIE and launching half a dozen Demolisher shells his way, same as would happen if they showed up on a large battlefield without loads of cover or total superiority in numbers and/or equipment. The Traitor Primarchs got ambushed by a Knight House and it was a pretty brutal fight, right? Not sure about the details, will admit I haven't got to Vengeful Spirit yet.

That's not even counting the fact that quite a few people might be willing to Colony Drop to kill one, just landing an Exterminatus or crashing spaceships into the planet. It's just odd they go into battle with such small bodyguards, that's all. Even with Vulkan he had what, a couple hundred Firedrakes and no Spartan at the DSM? That's Titan bait if ever I saw one.

>>52770458
It is Angron though, he has literally no mental or strategic benefits to the point fucking Kharn runs the World Eaters both on the battlefield and off. I'm ok with them making him have ridiculously expanded physical prowess compared to the others, everyone else gets to have one thing they're really, really good at.

>>52770560
Apparently. I'll see if I can find the math.

>>52764264
I use three for four squads though.

>>52770604
>he didn't tank the turbolasers to the face

But Lorgar did on the same page

>>52770604

To be fair Vulkan was literally nuked by iron warriors, so I think they took your idea to heart

In general everyone would totally be fine dropping Titans to kill Primarchs but legions typically take precautions to minimize the risk of landing their Primarch before he arrives

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>>52770507

HORNED NIPPLES ARE SUPERIOR

>>52770729
Didn't he take two shots? The weakest of primarchs? Or was that after he got transcended?

>>52770760
He blocked one shot with Psyker powers before getting KO'd by the second one

>>52764652
Ave Domnis Nox

Are BA the most inoffensive legion to play, I have never actually seen anyone say anything bad about them

Also in 30k didsome BA still go out fully golden or nah?

>>52770783

I can buy the Psyker shield one, but magically tanking the main gun of a fucking scout Titan off raw being a Primarch?

>>52770846
Dat 2+

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>>52770733

Assault cannon nipples are clearly the superior race.

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Assembled some terminators today.

>>52769047
big ass sword from the raven wing command set

>>52770846
>>52770339

Did you see this? Sanguinius tanks a fucking warlock titan's main gun. Something that could put a warlord down. Primarch's are crazy these days.

>>52770835
Sanguinary Guard were golden, most were just black and red. Some people didn't like that they hid their gene-sickness, and the imperium secundus shit.

>>52770835

People were bitching like hell over the possibility of asscan spam, and the blade of perdition rustles some pretty serious jimmies.

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>>52770835

>>52770894
I never got why people were so scared of it. Any of the 3+ invul praetors will put him down handily, and no one seems worried about that. Should be around 25-30 points though.

>>52770890
Primarchs be crazy,yeah. Personally I prefer them more in line with the majority of their tabletop stats, since they all come built in with "muh main character" and "muh Mary Tzu skills", which I think is a bit of a stupid idea in a game about galaxy-shattering wars since assigning nine or ten "perfect strategists, except in this one area each where you might equal them if you were a paragon of minmaxed humanity and even more perfect at one thing" to each side, and then expecting the battles to be interesting when they're all showing some pretty major tell not show command skills.

>>52770914
It's because it can be combined with +1 to wound and +1 to initiative on the charge.

>>52764092
>you came to the wrong neighborhood

>>52770914

Well, it's the equivalent of doubling the model's attacks. That's pretty nuts. It might only be a little better than a paragon blade against other praetors (though the +1 to wound and potential +1 initiative mustn't be forgotten), but it's absolute slaughter against everything from tacticals to terminators and even big mechanicum beasties compared to the options that other legions get.

I wonder if bits from the BSG Viper models will look okay on the Xiphon. Just for a giggle. Different scale, unfortunately but I'd be tempted to try it.

>>52771040
Do the extra wounds get transferred to other models?

>>52771061
No.

>>52771061
>>52771118

>Every wound caused by this weapon is doubled to two wounds. Roll to save against each wound separately.

RAW the wounds carry, there is no other interpretation. Anybody who tells you otherwise is full of shit.

>>52771061
Yes, they do with other weapons atleast.

>>52770914
Double attacks and old furious charge. It can fuck up just about any combat unit before it has a chance to strike back. Assault cannons are S6, AP4, 4 shots and rending. If they slap them on every vehicle that can take them, it can shred up marines pretty easily, but it's bad against tanks so some of the terror for that is odd

>>52770498
I would like to see this too. Dorn missing his hand. But back. While Gulliman is the administrator primarch, Russ the warrior, Khan the hunter, etc etc. Dorn is the soldier. From his hair cut to his wargear.

>>52771355
>Russ
>warrior
>of his total of three duels with primarchs he lost one badly, got knocked out with a single punch in another and won one because the guy he was fighting decided that although he could literally tear him in half with his mind, he'd just let Russ win

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How do you guys like your Superheavies? One giant gun or covered in various Dakka, Stormhammer style? Flyers, Walkers or ground vehicles?

Personally it's got to be the giant tanks and planes cruising along shooting in every direction. Giant guns just don't kill enough things in enough ways.

>>52770729
if you guys are talking about in betrayer I've only seen him block a plasma blastgun yet and he doesn't do it physically but with //mindbullets// aka cheating.

>>52771621
Oh, blastgun and a turbolaser are a bit different.

>>52771598
>it's another "people forget how Lion and Russ wrestled for 2 days straight before the knockout" post

>>52769858
>He was fleshed out to hate tyrants, sorcerors and psykers and ended up on the side with unrestrained sorcery, tyrants and witches
I cri evritiem. Truly, it's a metaphor of how being asocial can lead to one picking too few friends, and if the ones you picked are the worst scum of the galaxy, like Curze and post-Davin Horus then you're pretty much fucked

>>52771719
>wrestling
>two days straight
Am I the only one raising an eyebrow at this?

>>52771753
Yes, most people have accepted that 40/30k, and primarchs especially are over the top.

>>52771196

Rending can pose a threat to armour too. As I recall an assault cannon is more likely to glance or pen than a lascannon is against every armour except AV12.

>>52771814
That's pretty sad.

>>52770890
>Sanguinius tanks a fucking warlock titan's main gun. Something that could put a warlord down. Primarch's are crazy these days.
You do realize "surviving" a hit like that isn't the same as "shrugging it off", right? That means Sanguinius was removed from the field as a casualty, like how Azrael was defeated-but-not-killed by that AL Praetor on Vraks, but they still won and he survived.

Is the Emperor straight, gay, bi or ace?

>>52771797
But which one was the top?

>>52771889
Oh yes, but the fact that Sanguinius took a direct hit from something that was wiping up titans earlier without getting turned into dust shows that primarchs are made out of something crazy. Sanguinius was still conscious after that hit also. He had to recover for a bit, but he didn't have any lasting injuries.

To be fair, this is a very high showing of what a primarch can take, but it's one of the most recent so it's worth showing.

>>52771974
As a mortal: straight
Before Malcador: ace
With Malcador: gay
After Malcador: dead

>>52769656

Sometimes. I look at my legion rules and I'm like "hey, these are pretty sweet" but then I look at just about any other legion, like and just kinda hold back the tears, especially when they talk about their terminators.

>>52771872

Weight of fire is a bitch.

>>52771989
Probably Lion. Russ has that jobber-like quality about him with his whole struggle to prove he's worth something, so he must be a bottom bitch.

>>52771753
Yes, but only because Lion is canonically Luthersexual.

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holy shit magnus is huge

or is it russ who's tiny? like what the fuck

>>52772306
He's a big guy.

>>52772321
For your Legion

>>52772306
are you actually retarded enough to not understand perspective? you have no depth perception? retarded?

>>52772306
Wonder if that'll be the justification for a cheeky price rise.

>>52772480
u mean som cheeky nandos boya?

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As I promised yesterday, I have fixed the studs and now they are in glorious metal. What do you think of my Word Bearers, anything I could improve?

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>>52771753
Only on pay-per-view.

>>52772765
Those are some sexy blood angels.

>>52772765
>no Colchisian runes
Nigger what the fuck are you doing?

>>52766411
That was just an opinion. Lots of people except that Abnett will get the finale, mostly because he's the best-known BL author and therefore a "safe" choice. But the official line is that it's not close enough to decide yet, and it'll depend on author availability. If Abnett gets another Guardians of the Galaxy script, he's probably going to do that instead.

>>52770308
Corax straight up ran away in grief, and I think it’s fine to have one primarch do that. Sad story. The Khan’s story makes it sound like he didn’t intend to disappear – he simply chased some Dark Eldar that had raided Chogoris into the Webway and didn’t make it out.

Leman Russ disappearing into the Eye of Terror are closer to what you’re talking about, imo. That’s basically committing suicide. There’s that old legend that he’s trying to find a cure for the Emperor, but would a non-psyker really find the answer there?

Dunno what happened to Vulkan. Did the Beast Arises series explain it?

>>52772306
>Tallest primarch model needs tallest pedestal.

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>>52772964
>Dunno what happened to Vulkan. Did the Beast Arises series explain it?

>>52772960
You know what? You are right, I'll give them some script and runes all over the armour. Thank you fuckhead

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>>52772987
And he was never seen again.

And by the way, Moriana the Seer of the Chaos God who guided Abaddon to Drach'nyen and the Blackstone Fortress is said to be very very old. Being a character in the HH whose hands is drenched in the blood and guts of Imperials. Also she was one of the founders of the Ordos Mallus.

Anyone got any idea who of the HH characters is she?

>>52772461
The bases are the same size dickweed.

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what was his problem?

>>52773102
He hated Fenris and wanted to leave it. and he wanted somewhere he truly belongs to. He wanted to meet and be close to people like him.

The Emperor denied him both his wants.

>>52773102
Don't do drugs, kids.

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>>52772306
>Magnus will be only a head taller than Angron
>8'4" vs 7'11"
:^)

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>>52771608
Be it 30k or 40k, few things are more Imperial than fucking landships studded with guns.

>>52771719
Who cares if they wrestled for a millenia, Russ got knocked the fuck out so badly the entire DA legion was gone from the system when he woke up.

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>>52768310
TURDTURABO!

>>52773250
Retconned!

Also Russ won in the verbal argument. The Lion wishes to be like Russ

>>52771608
The whole idea behind big tanks should be to carry big guns. Why bother with 4 battle cannons, 4 lascannons and 8 heavy bolters on a massive chassis when 4 Russes get the job done just as well? Meanwhile, those 4 Russes can't carry a pair of volcano cannons.

>>52773314
It's not like Tau don't have S10 AP1 guns on their MBTs, but yeah only the bigger tanks can carry and pówer the D guns.
But real Imperial tank steel can withstand the enemy's fire to deliver remorseless human soldiers to the enemy lines. :^)

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>his Primarch isn't contemptor sized

>>52773539
There's a difference between a S10 AP1 shot and a S10 AP1 Apocalyptic Blast that Ignores Cover without a laser pointer.

>>52773314
40k/30k is a mishmash of different eras of historical warfare styles rolled into one setting... these are the land battleships.

You might as well. I mean, you've got a chassis that can handle a giant battlecannon or a Volcano cannon, naturally someone's going to wonder what happens if they fill that chassis with smaller guns to go after medium-sized targets.

>>52773076
Well, it depends what its meant by founded the ordo malleus. If it means l i t e r a l l y the Ordo, that could be anyone.
If it means the technical thing that became the Ordo, there were only 4 human founders of the Inquisition, one is definitely Amendara Kendel and one is presumably Sindermann.
So look out for 2 chicks hanging out with Mal, I guess.

>>52767667
Sounds like my local meta. Never played a game without a typhoon, primarch, 2 batteries of thudd guns and an artillery squad.

It's fucking great I'm not going to lie.

>>52773777
If she turns out to be Alivia Sureka I will murder somebody.

hahahaha... and i thought the US podcasts were full of hypocritical, white trash, autistic, egotistical fucktards, BUT have you heard the Brits? Thank the Emperor for Aussie master race

>>52774244
What happened now?

>>52768222
Don't forget that further into the war, one side started summoning daemons and the Khan basically pointed and went "Glad I didn't side with them" in a very noble and Chogorian manner.

>>52768175
>Khan
>immediately defied the Edict of Nikea
>loyal

>>52774646
>was at the gates of Terra

>>52770604
Because being the tactical genius that they are Prumarchs are able to advoid taking turbo lasers to the face or formulate a plan to have the titan taken down before they even arrive.

All else fail they can one punch man them down.

>>52774698
Truly there are only 3 loyalist primarchs.

>>52770894
I've played against assspam a few times, just play against it accordingly and it's not a cunt. Keep marines out of line of sight and start wrecking the least armored ass cannon until you have the big 'uns left.

Last game I played against BA the dude had them on his rhinos, predator tank weapon slots completely filled out with them and support squads full of them. Not that hard to play against.

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I miss Magos Feathered Snek. The pic said it was a WIP. Is he finished now?

>>52768222
>>52769937
>>52774415
That's why, in the "primarchs = tarot major arcana" theory, the Khan is represented by the Temperance card: balance, moderation, patience. And on the negative side, rebelliousness (e.g. Nikea), obliviousness, and a lack of tact.

>>52773875
Hit them with the ol' "proxy 5 storm eagles" trick.

You know how lists have to be ready to handle Spartans? Are the only options for legions Sicaran Venators, flyers with Kraken Penetrators, and deep striking chainfists? What else works? This would be for a Blood Angels army with lots of assault marines and maybe some bikes, but I don't have enough of a theme yet to know what else I want or don't want.

>>52775529
Land Raider with chainfist termies works for me.

>>52775529
Veterans with machine killers, combi meltas and missile launchers. You'll basically have 10 strength 9 shots. Armored ceramite doesn't matter at this point since you'll strip a bunch of hull points off. If it doesn't have armored ceramite, then you'll be golden and that thing is going down.

>>52775558
>>52775651
Alright, so basically getting up close and personal. A little scary, given that Spartans usually have something killy inside, but easier to fit into a list than a dozen lascannons. Thanks!

>>52775780
Combined arms. Have something ready to assault the insides or blast em. If the tank doesn't pop, you'll still have them to assault the tank or finish the job.

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Opinion:

MkIV helmets in MkVI bodies?
I like beakies but I don't want a 10 man tac squad of them. Is this fluff-heresy or are there worse armor autism sins to commit?

I play a small XX army.

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post best space marine armor mk

>>52776080
I don't think it matters too much. I'm sure armor parts were swapped and mixed and matched as materiel attrition started to affect legions. You use what works ya know?

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>>52776128

>>52776128
I know and ultimately idgaf about triggering armor autists. I just love the look of MkIV helmets more but I want to mix up the armor composition in my squads, just not for each marine.

Like I wouldn't mix MkIV and III on the same guy but MkIII and II probably look good together.

>>52776150
S T O P

>>52772306
Seems about right though. Magnus is like the only one mentioned to have been abnormally tall if I remember correctly.

Two questions for you all-

One, could you go traitor and turn back? I know in 40k traitor=execution, but could fighting with/for traitors only to rally back with the Imperium (i.e. like I'm the Badab War much later on) be a thing?

And secondly, (wholly unrelated) whaddya think of making a TS force modeled after the Golden Dawn? Heavy Psyker focus, little artillery support, focused more on ritual sorcery (no waac sekhmets tho). Maybe some of those coolass force sword guys?

>>52776080
Doesn't bother me. I can sometimes be an armor autist, but I'm not really familiar enough with the details of Mk VI to be bothered by this.

do people buy the books from forgeworld? they are really expensive for a codex supplement and there is 7

>>52776326
The Inquisition didn't exist until near the end of the Heresy, so right now there isn't a single body deciding to let former traitors back into the fold (or not let them). That means it could conceivably happen. As you point out, it sort of did happen during the Badab War with a required period of atonement - and that was a much less desperate time than the Heresy.

But they'd also be likely to fight as Blackshields since they might not trust the Imperium.

Also Sekhmets aren't terribly OP if you roll for your two powers rather than choosing them. Still a little, but I haven't seen anyone complain about armies that have a squad of five.

>>52776326
I could only see loyalists being ok with it purely if they didn't know about one's heresy. Otherwise you're a vile traitor and whatever you might do to remedy it will only end in absolution via death.

>>52776506
It's about US$100, once a year. That's like, dunno, going out to a ball game, or buying lunch instead of bringing a lunchbox to work for two weeks. It's not that bad.

But no, I'll only be buying the black books for my favorite legions: White Scars and Blood Angels. So, none yet.

>>52776506
Why buy them when we can expect high quality scans from a useful idiot?

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>>52776623
Behead those who insult Scananon.

>>52776647
Cutting up expensive books to please internet autists is the mark of someone who is not quite right in the head. Anyone can understand that fact.

>>52776511
Fair point about the Sekhmets, plus if I run into any particularly waacy lists I've got a solid fallback with them.

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>>52776623
Do not insult the Deliverer of Scans.

>>52776574
>White Scars and Blood Angels

Based.

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>>52776680

>>52776680
>insulting the person who takes time and money to generously let you see a free look at an extremely expensive book
>looking a gift horse in the mouth

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT SCANON

>>52776685
Remember that you can model your Sekhmets to double as ordinary legion terminators in case someone gets really triggered. There's some loadouts you can't take however, but you can still give them ML1 and shred bolters. Just keep an eye on the points.

It should be said that the podcasts after adepticon have said that Sekhmets aren't anywhere near as scary as people thought and that the tournie scene might remove the house-rule nerfs they applied to them.
They said they didn't dominate as OP, that winning combats by wounds caused was a thing, and that the TS players didn't seem to be going full WAACfag with their lists, despite opportunity.
The main issue was that they are unarguably undercosted, but that the TS lists get so tight on points in other areas it had a strange internal balancing effect.

Take with grain of salt I guess, it's just internet hearsay, haven't seen them used myself yet.

>>52776680
I'll fight you IRL, faggot.

>>52776680
shut up nerd

>>52770890
Isn't that just some good invuln saves? Rolling consecutive 2++ isn't even very heavy plot armor.

>>52776838
>The main issue was that they are unarguably undercosted, but that the TS lists get so tight on points in other areas it had a strange internal balancing effect.
I wonder if that's what's going with Custodes too. They've got some HQ choices that appear to be way undercosted, but the armies' low model count seems to make up for it (so time to try a Sisters of Silence army with a few Custodes...).

Mark from Age of Darkness said he won the Adepticon competitive event, but through pretty close games, and in part because his opponents were scared and stayed back when they shouldn't have. FW might not be as a dumb as we thought (editing issues aside).

>>52776623
1. Because the books look good in my book case. (I have a small but surprisingly valuable book collection of first editions, stuff like "in darkest Africa", "South, shackletons last voyage", Aesop's fables, and "1001 nights").

2. As convienient as digital stuff is, the book is nice in that I don't have to transfer it between devices/hard drives when upgrading. I just have it.

>>52774896
Oh hey it's my Snek magos! I'm trying to finish off a triarios transport before completing the painting on Snek boss, that and going away with the missus this weekend will probably mean I will be cramming his remaining painting and basing into the day before an upcoming event haha! Promise I will post him finished with all his cyborg bros

>>52772461
Magnus is canonically a giant compared to his brothers.

> Worshipping Infinetely malevolent evil gods that will make humanity suffer forever
> Better than worshipping no gods at all, believe in reason and human potential itself

What kind of fucked up logic is that?
I find BL trying to make Traitors sympathatic make them more stupid.

>>52777344
Fulgrim was possessed by a daemon
Perturabo doesn't care about the gods
Curze loathes Chaos
Angron has brain damage and isn't a rational actor
Mortarion hates the warp but got cucked by Nurgle
Magnus became a servant of Tzeentch as a last resort to avoid destruction
Horus got mindfucked and thought he was just using them
Lorgar is desperate to worship any higher power
Alpharius who the fuck knows

>>52777344
Ah, but of you believe in no Gods then how can you come to terms with the intelligibility and understandability of the universe?

To paraphrase Lorgar, somebody's gotta be worshipped for all this shit, and if I can't pray to an all-loving projection of all that man could be, might as well sell my soul to the Daemonic monsters seeking to devour all creation