MTG Modern General

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I bought a box for 180. Gonna draft it with the friends in two weeks time.

>>52759876
>>Playing?
Burn.
>>Hating?
Boros Charm hiding when all I need is 4 damage to win.
>>Brewing?
Threw one Death's Shadow in a bw token deck with no fetch. Also added one Angel's Grace just in case.

>>52759876
>Playing
Modern
>Hating
These fucking shitty OPs with literally nothing except some faggots idea of a funny maymay
>Brewing
Mardu

>>52759888
Worst 180 ever spent.

>>52759876
>playing?
U/w control
>hating
I've about to give up on hating tron and just give up on the matchup
>brewing
Not sure yet probably some jank shit. Maybe mardu

>>52759876
>playing
Abzan

>hating
bullshit cards like blood moon and bridge

>brewing
Something mono colored to fuck blood moon faggots

>>52760032
>I've about to give up on hating tron and just give up on the matchup
I second this. Tron was my match up with my previous deck. I just had to give up.

>>52760057
Here's your reply

Esper Death's Shadow.

>>52759947
Not if he bought MM2 or Eternal Masters

>>52759947
Why? It's a fun draft set from what I've seen.

>Playing?
Affinity
>Hating?
This Mardu midrange / control thing.

>>52760057
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Blood Moon Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Board Enchantment Hate Like Nigga Basic Lands Hahaha

>>52760300
6.5/10 I chuckled

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Public service announcement to my fellow American Modern-bros: taxes are due tomorrow. Better get on that if you haven't already.

>>52760410
Make sure to include any appreciation or depreciation of value of your collections on your tax forms!

>>52760455
Only if you sold or traded them.

I sure hope you fellas have been keeping a spreadsheet of your trades and the card values involved ;)

>>52760502
Reminder that if you don't you aren't a patriot.

>>52760508
I am a true American Patriot. I will and have always reported the appreciation value on my RWU cards.

>>52760508
If you were really a patriot you wouldn't pay taxes at all

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>>52760508
Just lie back and think of Washington.

I hate that now when you look at certain cards on sites like MTGSalvation, it shows the hideous Amonkhet invocation version if it is available.

>>52760617
2bh I look at those things and see only $$$$
sure they look like ass. But things that people don't like (but are actually good) are the best thing to invest in.

These cards are preordering for as little as $20 + shipping on ebay, but will easily see two-fold if not three- or four- fold increases in under four years (two years, if we exclude the normal cool-off period).

I am a-okay with them. They're like white border cards. They may look bad, but there's a certain section of the population that finds them highly desirable.

>Street wraith is now a 5-10 dollar card
well fuck I was thinking I only need to get thoughtseizes and I am golden for grixis shadow but nooooooo

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Hope you guys kept your old standard staples, wotc is axing modern next announcement in favor of frontier

Hope you guys are ready for a format that's actually good.

>>52760688
Also fuck me for ever wanting to play reanimator in pauper - not only are petals/SSGs/manamorphose money cards but also this turd too fuck.

>>52760715
>Frontier
>Good
Format is a dumpster fire, how anyone has fun playing these awful cards is beyond me

>>52760715
>another coco deck
How do people enjoy playing decks with so few spells? You're just cramming creatures on the field hoping yours beat your opponents

>>52760688
Pain lands are the budget option. Very little control over losing life, but hey, at least you've got a way to lose it without paying mana.

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>>52760715
Try harder.

>>52760768
the creatures are the spells :) just look at queller and mage

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>>52760715
Finally.

>>52760715
>1 refector mage
>bounding krasis
>not just playing 4c rally if you feel some need to play collected company
(you)

We just need to introduce a slow rotation to modern.

Every 2 years, the last 2 years worth of sets rotate out.

Done, modern is fixed.

>Playing?

GB Elves with white cards in the board.

>Hating?

I think the format is relatively healthy, I just hate playing the same deck 4 times in a tournament. Hope to never face Anger of the Gods decks.

>Brewing?

GW tokens with a few Sram's expertise. Tried Beck//Call, but ended up not working well, then they made the rules changes. Deck is better without em.

>>52760864
Reading this post hurts my head

>>52760854
rally get's pretty btfo by hallowed moonlight where this doesn't

I'm also playing 4 reflector mage and krassis is very nice to either buy time, get through on a clogged board or represent a combat trick.

>>52760864
Modern is already on a five-eight year rotation.

At the end of that period, the format dies and nu-neo-Extended begins using cards from the last two years or so.

>>52760864
Everything before Alara should be out of modern.

>>52760891
See, that's a problem. I don't want to lose 8 to 10 years worth of cards at a random time. I want a predictable, but incremental rotation. Modern's card pool is large enough that it would never be like standard.

>>52760864
Rotation a shit. I don't want to play Extended 2.0

>>52760864
part of the reason to play modern is for no rotation.

I am in favor of introducing something like extended but with longer rotations though.

It would be better to begin aggressive Legacy reprints, axe Modern, and give Frontier official support.

>>52760932
We need some form of rotation, or card prices are just going to keep rising. Wizards has shown they are unwilling to reprint modern staples in a relevant matter.

>>52760864
>somebody please help me I'm clinically retarded

>>52760967
>let's ruin the format so I can afford cards

>>52760864
Who said modern needed fixing? Modern is great.

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>mfw I anger 4 amalgams

>>52760967
Is this a troll post? The new Modern Masters was great.

Wizards plays a balancing act between flooding the market and giving needed reprints, and they're getting better at it.

>>52760967
>card prices are just going to keep rising
That's not how supply/demand works. At a certain point, prices can no longer rise. They hit a glass ceiling and stop.

The only things currently rising are card that have been long overlooked. They are merely rising to meet the rest of the market.

The less messing around Wizards does, the better. They can't even balance their card game, much less regulate an economy.

>>52760987
>let's have the format grow stale as fuck over time, while card prices skyrocket, because I am afraid of having to react to new decks in the format.

>>52760892
What would this even look like? I feel like the T1 decks take a huge hit

>>52761010
Well there would be no tron, so it is automatically better.

>>52761008
>every 3 months a new set is added to the format
>B&R announcements
>stale
kys desu

>>52761008
>let's have the format grow stale as fuck over time
This statement has not been supported by any of your posts. What assumptions is it based on?
>card prices skyrocket
Do not exaggerate. Card prices are not skyrocketing. There are cards that are rising, but these are superficial. Most card spike retrace and see only a 20% increase.
>I am afraid
This is not an argument.

>>52761027
>>52761010
>No tron
>No goyf
>No blood moon

Could this be...the perfect format?

>>52760967
That doesn't mean we should jump to invalidating people's cards just because some people are unfortunately priced out.

>>52761010
>No Goyf
>No Bob
>No Dredge
>No Ad Nauseam
>No Tron
>No Affinity
Literally the only deck that would remain untouched is Bant Eldrazi

>>52761047
Imagine what Modern could be if 8th and 9th edition were banned.

>>52761047
I get the hate of tron and blood moon, even if I disagree, but there is literally nothing wrong with goyf.

>>52760539
What a mild meme. I ordered spicy.

>>52761036
>wanting ban enforced rotation

Absolutely not. Face it, a rotation every 2 years is plenty of time to warn people to divest, and fixes the format as soon as it happens.

>>52761056
See above.

>>52761059
I'd play it.

>>52761059
Ban Thoughtknot.

>>52761063
There's two kinds of Modern players - those who think Goyf should be banned and those who already have a playset.

>>52761068
>>52761076
Eldrazi were a mistake

If they turned Modern into a rotating format, I'm going to Legacy.

I don't want to do it, but I hate rotation.

>>52761066
>fixes the format
You mean rapes.

If you want to make a new format, argue for that. Needless change is needless mistakes. The best way to fix things is to make a new, competitive option and allowing the players to vote with their attendance and money.

>>52761062
a shitty format

>>52760998
Waiter, this meme is stale

>>52761066
2 year rotation is just some arbitrary, autistic fucking headcanon bullshit you made up. My point is that like it or not, the B&R announcements do shake things up from time to time, and you ignored the fact that new cards are added to the pool all the time. This isn't your fucking blog taking your dumb ideas to sleep with you and dream up your bullshit there.

>>52761106
Name a fresh meme that you didn't just make up on the spot.

By the time we can call anything a meme, it's stale.

>>52761104
Modern would be much better without those two, that's just a fact

>>52761081
Untrue. I play U/W control, don't have any modern relevant green cards at all, and don't think goyf needs to be banned.

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>>52761076
>>52761094
[chortles in non-euclidean]

>>52761128
Actually, that's just an opinion.

>>52761128
it literally wouldn't but keep crying about blood moon and bridge the grown ups love your tears

the only thing that would be better is no tron

>>52761106
Duck you not everything is a meme you dumb nigger. Modern is fucking great right now. You and other faggots who like bitch are just pussies who will always find something to bitch about. Blame wizards for your incompetence more why don't ya.

>>52761059
Ancient Stirrings

Friendly reminder that if lands were cast and counted as spells, we would fix not only Tron, but Blue as an entire color.

>>52761114
Wizards is going to have to introduce some rotation or kill modern at some point, because counterfeits are going to destroy demand for real product.

>>52761155
Rise of the Eldrazi came out two years after Shards of Alara

>>52761160
Hahaha don't stop there, man, keep going.

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>>52761152
>Duck you

I love when shitposters out themselves as posting from mobile.

>>52761124
That's the point, though. Memes are shit in the first place, but the ones here in modern general are all awful.

>>52761160
>I force of will your forest
>oh, that was your only land in hand? haha, enjoy not playing magic

>>52761174
Irrelephant

>>52761160
That would turn every counterspell into land destruction.

If by "fix" blue you mean make it completely broken, then you're right.

>>52761114
As much as I want to agree, new sets usually have no effect on modern, or break it completely.

Thay new infinite G mana combo has the potential to send the format into a new Winter.

Eventually there are just so many cards in a format that we wind up in a situation where the format is "solved" and new cards can't change the existing decks or change them so slightly it doesn't mean a thing, OR it absolutely breaks the game like Eldrazi.

As time goes on its going to be less and less likely new decks will break out in Modern.

>>52761167
>he doesn't know that reserved list cards regularly trade hands for thousands.

The people who buy fakes are not, and never were, the ones supporting the secondary market.

Fakes do not matter.

They cannot and never will pass PSA inspections.

>>52761152
The format won't be decent until tron goes

>>52761180
I'm obviously not shitposting, you're the one ignoring the argument and posting smug anime bitches.
>implying there's anything wrong with phone posting
Now that's memeposting

>>52761190
Force of will is not modern legal.

do you even play this game?

>>52761208
>They cannot and never will pass PSA inspections.
You keep telling yourself that buddy. They're getting better every day, and the counterfeit protections on old cards aren't.

Guys. Does dredge needs another ban?

It's slowly creeping it's way into t1 despite bannings and it's still just as degenerate and polarizing as ever. I thought wizards doesn't want unfair decks like this to exist so why is it still a thing?

It definitely needs to go for format health.

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>>52761059
I am okay with this

>>52761243
Consider suicide

>>52761232
I will be amazed when Chinaman starts building his own printers in order to match the ink patterns on real cards.

Counterfeit protections are surface-level indicators intended to protect the casual trader. They never meant anything.

>>52761269
See >>52761135

>>52761239
Yes.

Bloodghast is next. They've got Bloodsoaked champion already printed and disbursed as a fixed replacement.

>>52761200
The last couple of years has seen some relatively stable decks continue to perform well at consistent levels, as well as some rotating top dogs. There is a lot of diversity and a wide pool of viable decks. There like 13 decks or some shit that are tier 2 or higher. We've had our share of meme decks (cheerios), broken shit (eldrazi winter), small additions (fatal push), drama (splinter twin), surprise contenders (death's shadow). Modern is gonna be fine for a while.

>tfw China's rapidly legitimizing business culture and Trump's promised trade deals mean soon the Chinaman's clientele will become WotC knowledge and everyone's DCI numbers are going to get banned

Trump truly is the hero we all wished for

>>52761351
God bless.

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>>52761304
Good thing I have 4 from my black EDH decks!

I love playing dredge but I think format health needs to be prioritized over my fun and dredge iis very problematic in modern.

>tfw modern is supposed to be diverse yet no deck really appeals to you
The struggle is real. What do?

>>52761485
>There's 900 channels and nothing to watch
sounds like a personal problem

>>52761351
>implying donald, flip flop trumpity trump won't completely destroy trade relations with china, promoting them to go even more illegitimate in a trade war and state sponsor counterfeiting with the highest printing technology money can buy.

I can't wait for my 2 dollar goyfs.

>>52761485
Spend your money buying up hundreds of copies of some $1 rare. Don't do anything with them. Destroy them if you want.

Cause a spike, destroy the supply, and leave the market wondering if there was ever any actual demand.

Then hope WotC plays into your joke and does a reprint of that POS rare.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/unfun-unfair-and-punishing-eighth-edition

anti 8th and 9th fags btfo

>>52761485
buy every copy of splinter twin and birthing pod you can and wait for the inevitable unbans

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>>52761552
Haha yes. Wizards would be insane to unban this card when it hits $20

>>52761535
>Taking Saffron Olives opinion seriously

>>52761661
>implying he's wrong

>>52761535
Actually read the part about blood moon. He's right

>>52761630
Twin will get unbanned eventually

>>52761533
So this is the power of chaotic neutral

Will delirium ever be more easily achievable than it already is?

>>52761096
Same. Extended already failed.

>>52761801
Unless they start printing enchantments or tribal cards that are good and easy to get into the graveyard, probably not.

>>52761754
I feel like it would be fine, definitely not the top deck anymore. Jund was their worst matchup, and Deaths Shadow Jund is even faster. Fatal Push easily kills Exarch and Harsh Mentor and the new Curse stop the combo. Moderns faster then it used to be and Twin might not be able to keep up as much as it used to.

>Playing?
Merfolk (on cockatrice)
>Hating?
Not much actually
>Brewing?
Still building paper merfolk, but im getting there.

Can we get a fucking horizon canopy reprint already? Why the fuck is that card so fucking expensive it barely sees play

>>52762334
I was actually looking at Horizon Canopies for Knightfall because its the last card I need to complete the shell.

Then I saw it was rising to $70 a pop. So I'm gonna give it a hard pass until it gets reprinted. Realistically, its because there's no viable set to print it with because it won't match the other lands.

Just another 2 years until it gets printed in MM4, r-right?

>>52762334
>>52762493
Uh you guys do realize you can get made to order reprints for cheap right?

>>52762632
Don't tell them, they might spend less than a cheap car on a deck.

>>52762632
I attend GP's and higher-end tournaments all the time. I'm not getting fakes just to be DQ'd out of the blue because of a random deck check.

>>52762334
>>52762493
Hope it gets printed with the rest of its cycle in an upcoming standard set.

>>52759888
I love that smug fuck on the box judging you for your stupid decision.

>>52762654
they literally can't tell the difference, no one can

stop getting jewed by star of david games and wake up ffs

>>52762654
>attending GPs when you don't even have a finished deck
At least with fakes you won't 0-2 drop every time

>Just bought a bunch of Whirs on a whim
Now we wait.

>>52762786
I've ordered from Zheng and I can tell the difference and I'm not a fucking judge that does this at every event near my area.

Stop rationalizing buying fakes that have literally zero value after your initial transaction.

>>52762691
Better than the smug retards in this thread who judge you for playing a real deck and not some tier 17 meme pile

>>52762788
You must be the life of the party. That is if you ever got invited to them.

>>52759888
>work at a domino's pizza
>tons of people that work there play magic
>after closing we go to a 24 hour donut shop and draft until 6am
I've never felt this degenerate before in my life, but free MM3 and EMA drafts have been sweet

>>52762828
i can sell my fakes for profit though so they do have value cuck

>>52762908
>ruining your hobby for others because your a scum fuck
I guess I'm not gonna tell you how to live your life. If you're this disingenuous with everybody, you probably don't have too many friends.

In which case, I just feel sorry for you.

>>52762836
Heh, meme piles are the way of the future, Des has proven this.

>>52762947
>ruining your hobby for others because your a scum fuck
How does that ruin anything? If it is real to them what does it matter? They are all cardboard anyways. You just sound upset. How much did you lose trading for fakes?

>>52762947
>being this mad that you wasted money on cardboard
Sad!

>another thread ruined by chinaman posters and tribal memes
Why do I even come here anymore?

Can we go one thread without arguing about chinamen fakes? Can't we talk about something constructive, like the upcoming devoted druid combo menace?

>>52763298
Because you hate yourself

>>52763318
already have it china'd out my man

can't wait to beat netdeckers who spend 1000s

>>52763298
>tribal memes
Fuck you buddy. Return to Lorwyn will make tribal great again.

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>>52763406
>Return to Lorwyn will make tribal great again.
You say that like wizards is capable of not screwing up any new set they release.

>>52763375
And I can't wait to beat meme combo players like you with Harsh Mentor and literally any removal. Or just win faster than you if you're on the CoCo plan. It's going to be fun.

Is it possible to make Maverick into a Modern deck? That seems like a lot of fun desu

>>52761770
neutral does not go out of its way to cause harm, which jacking up prices does.

that's chaotic evil

>>52762847
How old are you?

>>52763487
No. Most of the cards you'd need to port it are either not legal or banned. I think if we still had GSZ, stoneforge and DRS then we MIGHT see something resembling Maverick but as it is right now it's a no go unfortunately.

It's a shame it kinda fell off in legacy, I was considering building the rest in paper

Jesus Christ this general is shit. Chinamen are irrelevant, the cards are shit quality and are obvious as fuck under any close examination. If you can play them without getting caught good for you but please for the love of God shut the fuck up and stop shilling for sub human gooks.

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>>52763735
you mad white boi?

>>52759876
>Playing?
Currently sleeved up is RUG Delver, U/B Tezzerator feat. Whir, Eldrazi N' Taxes, Affinity and Living End.

>Hating?
Nothing really. Modern is pretty alright right now. Could do with some experimental unbans. Also fuck the haters, Blood Moon is my bae

>Brewing?
Not much really. I play around with lots of jank brews online. Mostly RUG ones. I'm still determined to play a real deck with AV and Dank Dwellers

>>52763735
>the cards are shit quality
Well, as tired as you are of hearing about the Chinaman, I am just as tired of seeing the refutations of the product as bad quality.

I mean, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You clearly don't have the brainpower to verify how the cards actually look and you're just falsely shitting on the quality to backup your claims that it's unethical to use them.

I mean, I have no reason to listen to you and whatever you say about ethics when you're so wrong about the quality of the cards. It's just as useless as the people who call MaRo a jew as if that is the reason for his shittiness.

Wizards of the Coast unbans the following cards:

>Splinter Twin
>Summer Bloom
>Birthing Pod
>Gitaxian Probe

How would you rank the following decks in power level with all these cards being legal?

>Splinter Twin
>Birthing Pod
>Amulet Bloom
>Death' Shadow Jund
>Dredge
>Affinity
>Infect
>Gx Tron
>Eldrazi Tron
>Junk/Abzan
>Burn

Bonus points: explain your rankings

>>52763817
I have ordered from multiple sources, including the sources that people claim on here to be "perfect copies."
You can always tell they're fake. From every single vendor.

>>52763850
They'd unban SFM before any of those cards, desu

>>52763859
>>52763735
stop feeding trolls.

>>52763850
Splinter Twin is tier 0, regardless of actual power level. Blue neckbeards from all across the world travel to GPs to play twin, pushing out nearly all other decks. The only reason the staff for the event can even fit in the venue is because half the twin players have been DCI banned for fellating themselves when they see their opponent tap out.

>>52763850
Summer Bloom and Gitaxian Probe need to stay banned. Splinter Twin would be tier 2 nowadays. Theyd lose hard to Eldrazi and Deaths Shadow Jund, their Burn matchups worse now that Harsh Mentors coming and Fatal Push really hurts their deck as before Path was the only efficient one mana removal spell that universally dealt with the combo.

>>52764076
I don't think straight UR Twin would even be viable anymore, really. Splashing W or B for hard removal is really important with giant goyfs and space monsters running around everywhere.

Where does Bone Pickers slot in? BR aggro with Bolt, Push, And Terminate?
One Mana 3/2 Flying Deathtouch is pretty good but it needs other threats to compliment it, maybe more deathtouchers?

>>52762181

What are the chances of tribal coming back?

We are now in the egyptian block, will we get a tribal block soon?

>>52764129
literally
just
Grixis Delver

>>52764129
It seems like a Grixis delver type of card, or maybe mardu if it gains traction, but I don't think it'll see play honestly. Having to turn on morbid is a limited-tier hoop to jump through.

>>52764129
This card is going to be another Bedlam Reveler, isn't it?

>>52764172
The problem with Mardu is that all the good White creatures are GW, or better in that color shell.

I would love a colorshifted Loxodon Smiter.

>>52764172
You are constantly removing creatures in Modern though.
Tarmogoyf, Deaths Shadow, Goblin Guide, Swiftspear, Eidolon, Arcbound Ravager, Thought Knot Seer, Reality Smasher, Kitchen Finks and the list goes on, the amount of creatures that have to be answered in order to win in Modern is staggering and it counts yours too so if your opponent removes your attacker as you move to attacks being able to follow it up with a 3/2 Flying Deathtouch for B is great. Or remove opponents blocker and then postcombat get your Bone Pickers out, you could easily go Turn 3 Bolt/Push creature and then Double Bone Pickers go.

>>52764229
Abzan is a great aggro color. I wish we saw more small Abzan builds do well in Modern. Mardu doesnt seem a good home for Bone Pickers as their ability doesnt synergize with Path to Exile.

>>52764253
>same scenario against burn
>stuck with three dead cards in hand T3

>>52764129
You can't drop it on T1 without series deckbuiling shenanigans, so I don't think it will see play. T1 Delver -> flip next upkeep is the best opener any Delver deck has, and instead of only happening sometimes, it will never happen with the new card.

>>52764272
Burns got a bunch of creatures that need answering, if theres an Eidolon on the table im happy to bolt or push it before it locks me out of the game.

>>52764253
The problem is that all the creatures you listed either have insane value (goyf, DS, guide) or have a strong EtB (TKS, finks)

Bone Picker has none.
As >>52764274 points out, even Delver is more efficient than Picker, and Delver is already the worst card in Grixis Delver, as the saying goes.

>>52764274
But this is a more consistent Delver and has deathtouch. It can easily come down turn 2 with a 1 mana removal spell. It would have to be boarded out in creature light matchups and its obviously not your only threat you are running.

>>52764272
more like
>same scenario against Tron or any combo deck
>stuck with three dead cards in hand T3
>if you were playing Delver they'd be halfway dead already

>>52764306
>more consistent
It is consistent at the cost of speed.

That kills the card in modern.

>>52764300
Im just brewing here. I think the card has potential and thankfully its uncommon. The deathtouch is great at killing Shadows and Goyfs.

>>52764308
You play it alongside Delver though. No one said you cant drop a Delver turn 1 with this in your deck, you just also have the ability to drop Bone Pickers later.

>>52764306
Swinging for 3 on T3 is fucking terrible dude.
>>52764337
Just use Ambush Viper if you want deathtouch.
You know why Viper is bad and no one uses it? Because deathtouch is terrible when you can just cast removal.

There is brewing and there is shitbrewing.
You are engaging in the latter while calling it the former.

>>52764355
Show me which cards you cut in Grixis Delver to slot Bone Picker in.

Give me another reason to laugh at you.

>>52764359
I don't think you understand the power of deathtouch.

>this 3/2 flying creature is shit because it requires specific shit in order to work
Where have I heard this before.

Hmmmmm.

>>52764391
you're right.
>fling my nighthawk at my opponent
>under the table I have a glock loaded with arsenic-laced 9mm

He dies to deathtouch every time

>>52764359
>>52764372
Why is everyone here so hostile to brewing or discussion of new cards here? Im sure you guys would have said Traverse the Ulvenwald and Liliana the Last Hope were shit too.

>>52764415
Do not compare our glorious bugman to this wannabe

>>52764415
Delver's restrictions are solved during deckbuilding.

You can't fix Bone Picker with deck building.

why do people play delver in modern anyways? its unreliable af without ponder or brainstorm

>>52764415
Yeah just like that Deaths Shadow card. Who would want to intentionally lose life just to play a creature?

>>52764420
It is not that people are hostile to brewing.
It is that people are hostile to shitbrewers who cannot acknowledge that they are out of touch with the modern metagame and think their pile of cards is good when it's not.

There is a reason the thread was mocking people who thought Chandra ToD would break into modern. No deck wanted her.

>>52764446
It's really not. It flips less often but if you build the deck correctly it is consistent

>>52764420
because this is the Modern general?

if it was about kitchen table, it would say kitchen table

if it was about new cards, it would say amonkhet spoilers

if it was about using amonkhet cards in a "competitive" environment, it would say standard general

fuck off

>>52764430
Bone Pickers restrictions are play a ton of removal and since Bolt and Push are both one mana and Terminate is just two you should always be able to drop him for the single B, theres only a handful of played Modern decks that dont play a ton of creatures and in those matchups you just board him out. He doesnt even have to be a 4 of if hes too clunky with that number maybe just 2-3 is fine.

>>52764461
>Chandra ToD would break into modern. No deck wanted her.
Didn't skred win an SCG Open thanks to her?

Why do people run Gavony Township in Knightfall? Because its a land that has an effect for GW?

I've played close to 40 games with the deck and have used Gavony Township maybe once. And it was nothing more than a win-more card in that scenario. Wouldn't you just be better off running another basic or something?

>>52764461
>a card thats been hyped up by several channels and articles as being at least decent is now shitbrewing
No shitbrewing would be me pulling up a card like Regal Caracal or the Lifelink 1/1 Cat and brewing with that
>>52764483
But the new cards are what continues to breath life in to the format, and discussion of them helps people keep up with the shifts in the Modern meta. Harsh Mentor is a card that should see play from the new set.

>>52764546
>a card thats been hyped up by several channels and articles

You know where you are, right?

White/Black sucks

>>52764489
Bolt and Push make Pickers a T2 play, swinging T3.
Terminate makes him a T3 play, swinging T4.

Neither of those is a good scenario.

Delver lands T1, swings T2. It also does not require investing a second card.

>>52764546
>But the new cards are what continues to breath life in to the format, and discussion of them helps people keep up with the shifts in the Modern meta.


>he honestly believes this

>he seriously is implying implications and speculating on whether a card will be good when it's just a slow delver

you're shitbrewing kid

>>52764621
Theres been several cards since just Khans that see plenty of play in Modern

>>52764632
Khans has nothing to do with this. Stay on topic.

>>52764586
delver almost never flips turn 2. its too inconsistent in this format

>>52764642
You are implying Standard sets dont have cards that change or slot into existing decks. Im saying they do and Bone Pickers may be one of those cards.

>>52764506
i'd assume its good in boardstalls when you are not comboing off. never played with the deck though. i want to build it. what are your thoughts on it?

>>52764651
Even if it doesn't flip right away, you still invest the mana T1 and then don't have to worry about it again. Picker requires sequencing multiple spells on your turn, instead of holding up mana for removal and counters.

>>52764660
I never said that Standard sets do not have cards that make it into Modern.

Are you prepared to engage in serious debate, or will you continue putting words in my mouth?

Bone pickers is a slow delver. Delver is already a bad card. It will not see play, unless someone needs Delver 5-8 (why?)

>>52764675
>doesn't flip
>dies to bolt

Great card.

>>52763754
>that extremely gloss on the front

Shit man I could tell that's a fake from across the convention hall because it'd be reflecting all of the sun right in my eyes

>>52764651
The same can be said for bone picker.
it is either reliant on a one-drop self-sacrificing creature, or your opponent playing a creature T1 on the draw, or T2 on the play.

neither is a great card

>>52764697
>Tap out shooting a mana dork and playing a picker
>dies to bolt
>next turn the opponent plays something more worthy of an answer
>you already blew your removal, too bad

>>52764720
wow I hate removal

>>52764506
Being able to turn your 8 mana dorks into useful creatures in the late game is valuable.

>>52764702
>playing in a convention center with windows

lucky you

>>52764674
It feels really good. It can switch from aggro to control on a dime. The only problem is playing ridiculously fast aggro like Affinity where, if you don't have Qasali Pridemage, the game is going to end quick.

It also has a problem with consistently being aggressive enough. I've had situations where my Knight is sitting at 4/4 and I could swing with it to pressure the opponent or I could just leave it up and pray they don't remove it. Spell Queller is another a card I need to play more to understand when it's most valuable to just flash it in with no target.

On top of that, your best plays are usually leaving Queller to eat their spell, but then they just remove it anyway. But you won't always have an answer for everything, I suppose.

>>52764718
Didn't say that it was. But I certainly think its promising in a rakdos midrange type of build. play 4 pushes, 4 bolts, 2 k commands and 2 terminates along with bone picker, young pyro, swiftspear and some delve creatures

>>52764764
>rakdos midrange
>add Green and get goyfs

????

>>52764764
What is the advantage of playing that deck over Grixis or Jund, though? Blood Moon?

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>tfw you want to get into MtG but the cards are ugly as sin and the rarities are just a small symbol on the right instead of cool stuff like foils and golden letters

yes I am a manchild and no I am not ashamed

>>52764788
>GB
>Add literally any color for tier 1-1.5

>>52764793
yes. plus playing 1 mana 3/2s with deathtouch

im not saying it will dominate anything. just worth trying

>>52764802
>the cards are ugly as sin
What? Magic cards are aesthetic as fuck compared to shit like Yu-Gi-Oh.

>>52764802
I really hope you dont think the cards are ugly compared to yugioh ones

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>>52764825
>>52764829

for me it depends on the card, I guess

this looks pretty cool. if only the name was in gold or silver letters and it had a cool foil effect, then it'd be 10/10

>>52764808
unless its blue of curse

>>52764816
Go ahead and try it. I'll be happy to sit across from you with Esper Control and completely ream your deck because it can't grind and it can't go fast, either.

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>>52764802

>>52764851
I actually highly dislike foiling. to each their own I guess

>>52764825
>>52764829
Not him, but there hasn't been a set with good borders since, Onslaught or something.

>>52764856
>threatening a meme deck with another meme deck

wew

>>52764853
>implying Thought scour and double fetches into a T2 tasigur is bad

sultai colors will be good some day!

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yugioh cards are way cooler than magishit

>>52764901
>not going thoughtscour two fetches tasigur into a T3 eldritch evolution for Simic Sky Swallower

>>52764851
>if only the name was in gold or silver letters and it had a cool foil effect, then it'd be 10/10
kill your self, my dude

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>>52764905
Nuh-uh.

>needing to scale the card up because Wizards can't afford good image servers
I hate it.

>>52764905
>that art
I mean if you're planning to cut it out and stick your dick in the card frame I understand but it's awful for something you plan on playing with

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>>52764955
>not using magiccards.info
>not posting the better art
>not posting black borders
anon pls

Why does every Affinity match up have to be "I win game 1, I hope you draw your hate because I'm about to win game 2"?

I always dread pairing up against the affinity player at my LGS because it always comes down to that.

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>>52764972
>better art
That's no knight.

I take it magiccards.info is updating again?

>>52764989
It's not.

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>>52764905
>Dark Paladin
>When Chicken Game exists

Neck yourself.

>>52764989
What do you play?

>>52765049
Kithkin

>>52765049
Knightfall. Most games it will purely outrace me and, if I even draw into them, 2 Qasali Pridemages won't stop it. If he manages to get a cranial plating or etched champ to stick, I kiss the game goodbye.

I have 4 sideboard slots dedicated to the matchup and even then I feel it isn't enough sometimes

>play esper zur now
>kind of want to morph it into esper or UW control
What's the difference between the two? Which is better in the current meta?

>tfw wasted £70 on a shitty standard deck thats already dead because of amonkhet artifact hate

how do I trade my deck into modern my mans

>>52765117
Esper has two versions, the draw-go version, and the planeswalker version (Esper Transcendant).

UW has even more variations, but the main one uses Wall of Omens and Resto Angel and plays a sort of midrange board control game.

I think Esper Draw-Go is the way to go currently. 4 Path/2 Push + Verdicts is a really strong removal package, you've got loads of hard counters for everything else, and tons of sideboard options between new cards like Collective Brutality and Blessed Alliance, and old staples like V Clique, Engineered Explosives, and Surgical Extraction.

>>52765136
you trade that deck away to gullible idiots, either directly for what you want, or trading two £5 up into a £10 card, etc., treating the cardboard like paper currency, to get what you want.

Playsets of commons sell nicely as £1 online, so long as they're not complete trash.

Dump all the garbage you own, hopefully get £50 back, and then save up another £350 to buy a basic modern deck with.

Guys I just figured out I'm getting $2000 back in tax returns.

What tier 1 modern deck should I buy?

>>52765136
at that price your deck is probably all bulk rares plus a couple of standard staples. unless you have fatal push you have nothing to play modern with. do as this anon says>>52765329

what kind of standard deck did you buy anyways

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top 5 modern counterspell?

>>52765352
what do you want to play? you can buy anything with that money. you can buy death's shadow jund and if they ever ban death's shadow you'll have most of jund already and some of the cards for any b/g deck

>>52765372
remand
cryptic
spell snare
mana leak
I guess logic knot

they should seriously reprint counterspell though

>>52765417
wizards would never do that when they're this close to stamping out blue completely

>>52765417
I would rather that didn't reprint counterspell.

It's a big flashy card that attracts a lot of hate. It's also not a card that fixes Blue overnight. So, Wizards unbans it, a new round of blue-hate gets stirred up, and we have to wait another year for Wizards to attempt giving Blue anything playable.

Right now Wizards is sneaking some decent cards in. Take Into Custody is the cheapest version of that effect around. Select for Inspection is anti-aggro and has Scry 1. Reflector Mage, Failure//Comply, and a few other cards have been printed.
None of these have seen play in Modern. None of them are bad cards however. They are all supporting cards, for when Wizards does print something to make blue relevant again.

reprinting counterspell would be blowing their load too soon. The support structure to resurrect blue hasn't been laid yet. It needs more time.

>>52765371
its a jank deck that uses paradox engine to keep spinning aetherworks marvel to play big creatures and finish the combo with a creature that gives all the creatures charge for one energy. I never went more than 2-2 on FNMs

>>52765329
is asking people in my local store to trade me their modern cards for my standard ones seen as a bad thing

>>52765479
Depends on the person. I wouldn't just walk up to a modern-only player and try trading him standard cards. Look for a dedicated trader, or just ask if a guy would be interested. He might point you to a guy who is willing to trade.

The advantage of standard cards is that they have inflated demand. Whereas modern staples have certain holding values, but most people who want them already have them.
This is actually fine however.

A trader might be sitting on a surplus of Eternal Witnesses, Bolts, whatever. Those aren't cards most people sit down to trade for. They do have a locked value of about $5 and $2.50 respectively. For a trader, he'll be willing to give those cards away for high-demand standard cards, simply because he can move them. You might be looking at only 80% value on your cards (so he can make a profit) but you get non-rotating cards in exchange.

Turn four Scrapheap Scroungers into two Eternal Witnesses, get a playset, sell it on ebay for $20. Put that $20 towards what you need. etc.

>>52765594
>selling your witnesses when you could build eternal command
it's like you don't even want to have fun

>>52764851
this instantly became my favorite art out of khans. i didn't think they were still printing stuff that looks painted

>>52765372
cryptic
leak
countersquall
spell snare
stubborn denial

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>>52765669
Every now and then they remember to commission something nice.

>>52765372
Cryptic
Leak
Remand
Spell Snare
Censor

>>52765408
I like control. How does Grixis Control fair nowadays?

>>52765703
>We'll never get a playmat of this, just more Gatewatch

>>52765703
#bringbackrebecca

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>>52765778
Don't want scary art that makes Timmy's mom wonder what kind of game he's spending his allowance on, do we?

>>52763504
Jacking up prices of a children's card game is hardly what I would call harm. More like a mild inconvenience for a relatively small audience of people

>>52761147
I think thats what anon was refering too. Tron isnt a oppressive deck but it hinders the format just by existing and at least in my area only super bad low tier layers play the deck; probably because it is extremely easy to learn and they're all just timmy's wanting to spam 7+ mana"bombs."

>>52766064
The intent is to damage the market with artificial demand.

That's not neutral. Neutral causes no trouble and removes itself from bad situation. It does not seek to create problems.

>>52761535
>Justifies Blood Moon, says its healthy and claims it keeps 100% non basic decks in check
>Says Choke is unhealthy and "punishes people for playing magic"

Dude come on no matter what side you're on you have to admit this guy is an idiot, this wasnt the obly dumb thing in his article either. Guy says Worship is unhealthy and shouldn't be a part of the game.

>>52765790

A shame children are actually MORE attracted to things that look adult because they want to look like adults.

See: Smoking.

>>52761698
He is?

>>52766167
Bear in mind that SaffronOlive is a pure JankMaster who regularly calls for bannings.

He's a Johnny at its worst.

>>52761535
the contrast between blood moon and stifle/wasteland is retarded. You can play around stifle and wasteland exactly the same way as blood moon, just put yourself at a massive disadvantage by playing a sub optimal mana base.

>>52765757
It doesn't.

>>52765757
it's given way to grixis shadow mostly

>>52762334
>>52762493

They will never reprint Horizon Canopy as part of a cycle in a future Standard legal set. Horizon Canopy is a good card and if they were to make a cycle of those lands that would be really good and they won't print it outside of a special set like a Masters set.

>>52762675
>Draw Land cycle

Oh god i wish lol, no wizards will never do it. They're too scared of what will happen if they grant that effect to the other color pairings. Horizon Canopy is a very stong land. Even just an Ally color land cycle with that ability would see tremendous lay in modern. I know i would play a R/G and or R/B one.

>>52762493
>he too plays Knightfall
So are you planning to run the new Cyclelands?

>>52760688
>tfw I picked up wraiths when they were a dollar so I could play worldgorger in legacy
This was before EMA came out though so the dragons were 20 bucks each

>>52764869
I hate how it ruins the cards by bending them.

>>52764869
>>52766467
To this day I remain amused that the foil Delver I opened at the Innistrad prerelease was flat. We'd actually agreed at the table that if anyone pulled a two-sided foil we'd all get to see which way it curved, because we all wanted to know.

>>52766167
There's a very large difference between choke and blood moon. They're only kind of comparable in that they're both hosers that hose mana, they don't even hose mana in the same way. You can still use your new mountains to tap for mana it only punishes decks that want to be greedy with their colors, choke means that specifically blue decks only get to use a significant portion of their mana base once.

Whether either or neither should be banned is up for discussion, but conflating the two cards is a big mistake.

>>52763318
We have before. I forgot how we structured the OP to prevent it tho.

Make a deck playing Blood Moon, Choke, Boil, Flashfires and Prismatic Omens.

My friend asked me if I wanted to get some practice doing a sealed format before Amonkhet's pre release and he ended up doing it with MM3 cards, obviously I had to do the same. Are the cards in MM3 decent enough to make a casual modern deck? Or are they going to collect dust in my room?

>>52767392

Some of the cards will be fine. But regardless you're always going to find cards in any set that will just pile up anyway.

>>52767314
>Prismatic Omen
Just play all fetches no fetchable lands if you want to be an idiot

>>52767314
Add harmless offering to give your opponent control of prismatic omens.

>>52767314
>Fashfires
>Prismatic Omens
that's not how you spell sea's claim and spreading seas

https://youtu.be/SkHTCysvYa4

This deck looks incredible.

>>52763426
Lorwyn was shit the first time, no way it could be worse the second time

Burn is a deck for patricians
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a salty tron player.

>>52768197
I play GB Tron in Modern and Burn in Standard. Fight me.

>>52767801
I liked Lorwyn. Hated the constant bitching about "WotC builds your deck for you!".

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>>52768197
o hai there :)

Is Thoughtseize getting banned?
Should I buy a Blackmail playset?

>>52768906
Yes, the age of durdly combos is coming

>>52768385
>tfw the change in how CMC works with split cards makes wear//tear better than revelry when dealing with chalice
And everyone said I was dumb for building Boros burn instead of Naya.

>>52768906
>thoughtseize
>a fair card that 1 for 1s
>banned
what kind of retarded bullshit have you been reading to think it could ever get banned?

>>52768906

Why not outplay against Thoughtseize by filling your hand with Loxodon Smiters and Wilt Leaf Lieges?

>>52764420
I'm not who you were arguing with with I did thinknliliana the last hope was gonna be garbage

>>52764493
No it won thanks to blood moon.

>>52769074
These generals

>>52764802
You staying away from mtg is good for everybody

>>52764989
Because you don't play control like a patrician

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>>52764870
I miss the old design too. But some of the new art is better ...

>>52767740
It's actually trash

>>52769345
Wtf is this cuck comic shit I keep seeing

>>52769431
/pol/tardation at it's best.

>>52769431
Some dude posted this on /tg/ knowing it would trigger people into responding, most with disgust but not always. He go so many responses, it capture attention of other trolls, so people being posted it very often since a month ago.

>>52769345
>shed
kekked

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>>52769431
>he doesn't know

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>>52764989
Affinity-fag here. It's because your deck is too slow, lacks blockers, and/or doesn't have enough removal or hate.

Assuming I get a decent draw, you better either be faster than me or have interaction. There's plenty of interaction that will do the job though.

>>52760715

I can believe WotC is axing Modern for Frontier (after all, they did the same to Extended, which was far superior to Modern), but I wouldn't say the format is "actually good."

>>52769743
Nobody plays frontier anymore. It was a flash in the pan

>>52768968
Anon,
>The core of the change is that we're no longer assuming split cards have two sets of characteristics when they're not on the stack.
>So now, the converted mana cost question is simple: if Destined to Lead isn't on the stack, it has a converted mana cost of 6. Destined on the stack is still a black instant with a converted mana cost of 2, and Lead on the stack is still a green sorcery with a converted mana cost of 4, but Destined to Lead, any time it's not one or the other, is a black and green instant sorcery with a converted mana cost of 6.
I don't think you understand the new rules, regarding the Chalice of the Void, they are the same.
The only thing that changed is when they are NOT in the stack.

>>52769743
This meme is stale.

>>52765080

>Not playing stony silence

It's like you want to lose.

If we really want to improve Modern, we shouldn't be taking sets out. We should be putting sets back in.

Make every non-reserve-list card available in Modern. Legacy still gets to play with its duals, Modern gets a high-powered shot in the arm without all of the baggage of the Reserve List. Everyone is happy.

>>52769910
Modern is already good. The only unhappy people are people who will never be happy anyways.

>>52769910
I'm not happy, tron is still legal in that format

>>52769910
I'd rather they just try unbanning a card a two at a time. People give them shit about GGT, but I'm glad they tried it.

>>52769924
Speak of the devil
>>52769936

>>52769962
Found the tronfag

>>52769534

>Fuck yeah, I'm proud to be a cuck!

fucking lold

>>52769743
Extended died for a reason. It sucked.

>>52769996
Listen, I don't like tron either. I play u/w control, and tron is my toughest matchup. It doesn't fold to hate cards like affinity and dredge do, either. Even on a personal level, I'm a little butthurt that U/w control gets out-lategamed by another deck in the format. Control isn't a very popular archetype in modern, so it doesn't really need a check, but it has one anyways. All this being said, I'm still not campaigning for tron to be kicked out of the format because I'm not a whiny faggit like you are. You can't have everything go your way, sometimes you have tough matchups and you get beat. It doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with modern. Just deal with it instead of being a huge fucking pussy.

>>52769726
I can attest to this as a burnfag
Just fucking play bolt, it's really all that simple.

Also just wondering affinitybro. How many galvanic blasts and or thoughtcast do you run in your list? I've been building affinity for a while now (all I need are ravagers now) and I can't seem to decide how many is the right amount.

>>52770066

*astral slides you*

>>52770080
Not him, but depending on the meta, I either do 2 of each or 4 Galvanic Blasts. If i want to race you really will like having 4 Blasts.

>>52770080
Depends on your meta. You want thoughtcast for grindy matchups and blast against other fast decks / decks with problem creatures. Right now I'm at 3 blasts, 1 thoughtcast, but I'm thinking about going to an even split.

The key is that you can't run too many colored or non-artifact spells or it will mess up your synergy.

>>52759947
mm 2017 actually has a positive average value.

What is the best white enchantment removal in modern?

>>52770703
disenchant

>>52770703
Ray of revelation if pure enchantment hate is what you want.

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>>52770703
There are more versatile cards but Specifically for enchantments it's probably erase.

>>52770736
I wasn't even aware it had been reprinted, time to look for them in my old card boxes.

>>52770763
I've been sideboarding this against leyline of sanctity, but dunno, disenchant can help a bit against artifacts too.
>>52770758
Nah, I'm playing 8rack with a little splash of white.

>>52770797
Yeah it was in time spiral

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>>52770833

Fragmentize hits pretty much everything Disenchant will in Modern, just at sorcery-speed.

>>52770882
Oh, this is it, thank you anon.

>>52770882
Vintage card right here lads, it needs a ban. 1 mama for enchantment/artifact removal is busted.

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>>52770929

>1 mama

I agree, enchantment/artifact removal should be two, maybe THREE mamas AT LEAST.

>>52771015
Are you the guy who designed cancel?

>>52771049
I wonder how many different cards is cancel a strictly worse version of

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>>52771049

That broken powerhouse? No way fag, I designed a BALANCED card, Disappearing Act.

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>>52771194
>Uncommon

>>52771273
I know, something that powerful should be rare.

imagine someone tries to kill your creature. You can bounce it to your own hand and then counter the spell! That's like 2 counterspells in one!

>>52771807
Don't forget its basically an upside since you have juicy etb effects so we can get value even if our creature's removed.

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>>52771831
>3 mana
>Counter your spell and bounce my snapcaster
>Literally better than cryptic Command
What have you done