Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52755487
>magitech need not apply

Fuck you

Anyone wanna talk about Pathfinder?

>>52755527
How would you balance and scale alchemical weapons for non-alchemists that stay relevant into middle levels?

>>52755549
I wouldn't

Posting again since it's a new thread.

So to talk a bit about game stuff. I'm looking to see if I have missed anything from my "group supplies" list. I have separated the supplies onto two Yaks. One Yak carries the majority of the stuff the other Yak is mainly for carrying loot once loot is garnered.

I have it separated into categories:
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E6g64z_WT48ZD9h-xVn7P2enLxvQfRIbLYYEqPJ-VvI/edit?usp=sharing

Am I missing anything vital?

For reference this is for a party of 6, this means we are a little short in some supplies, like we only have 4 shovels, 2 saws, and 2 balancing poles, but I thought we generally didn't all need to be using them at once.

>>52755529
_He is not to be trusted

What's the best way to have a character build clockwork constructs as efficiently and frequently as possible?
As far as crafting feats and abilites are concerned at least.

>>52755527
What do you wanna talk about particularly?

>>52755549
Have a means of spending either more money or using higher Craft Check to make more powerful versions. TES that shit.

>>52755549
Alchemical creation sort of stuff?

I would package them into feats. Stuff like increasing their DC and the like would be feat based.

Something like:
Alchemical Sapper
Prerequisites: Throw Anything, BaB +3
Benefit: When throwing an Alchemical Thrown Weapon (Acid, Alchemist Fire, Thunder Stone, Tanglefoot Bag, etc.) increase the difficulty class of the saving throw by 1/2 your character's level.

Or be able to make a character with a high Craft Alchemy check be able to add points to the DC.

Another feat that adds +1 point of damage per two levels to the splash damage.

A feat that increases the spread by 5 feet.

That sort of thing.

Also make more alchemical creations that give relevant debuffs or make a feat that lets you upgrade debuffs like Dirty Trick does.

>>52755611

The Artisan (3pp class) is perfect for this.

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So! How was your weekend, /pfg/? Do anything fun or exciting, game-related or otherwise?

>>52755648
I finished my app for overlewd. It's a good feeling getting everything on paper and out of my head.

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>>52755487
>Magi-tech need not apply
No, fuck you.

>>52755648
Unproductive. I'my trying to do some planning out for a homebrew campaign, but its just getting nowhere.

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>>52755648
A lot of scientific papers to write with a very near deadline, but all libraries are closed over easter weekend. So I binged on Pathfinder builds and worldbuilding to drown my growing dread in escapism.

Can you have safe sex with a succubus, possibly the entrails of some beast, without losing your soul or essence in the process?

>>52755824
>he wants to fuck the succubed.

>>52755824
IT'S A DEMON, A LITERAL INCARNATION OF EVIL.

KILL THE BEAST.

>>52755838
What are we going to do on the bed?

>>52755868
Everything we can't do on the floor without breaking your back, of course.

>>52755838
Who doesn't?

>>52755824
Yes.

Kill it then fuck the body. Done.

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>>52755648
One game went kinda slowly as the group had to juggle a bunch of things at once to get everything into place for the sessions to come. Another game had a fun between-chapter session, where we started working on tying up some loose ends and figuring out what to buy/make for our next foray out into the world. I have so much fucking money that I don't really know what do do with, god damn. I give my GM a lot of shit for some mechanical choices too, but damn if he didn't do a good job of juggling three separate scenes at once.

Introducing my new kid to the rest of party will be a barrel of laughs.

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>>52755868
Pic
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>>52755898
Rory doesn't!

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>>52755648
I've been trying to make a new character for three fucking days and every time I get anywhere close to being done, I realize the idea I had won't work at all and I have to start over.

I have a problem.

Please help me.

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>>52755648
No, got canceled. I did finish Breath of the Wild though, and my sis came over to visit for Easter, so its not too bad. Also getting started on making my next char

>>52755824
No, unless you wear a full body hazmat sit all over everything that can negate Energy Drain. In which case, having sex like that is kinda pointless

>>52755648
It was absolute shit, as always.

>>52755868
p o m f

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>>52755916
Give us details anons, we won't be able to help you otherwise.

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>>52755995
I have nothing.

There are no details left.

I am a broken man.

Is there any worth to Bard || Oracle? I want to make the ultimate maestro, or at least a very effective face and buffer with a side order of healing.

>>52755487
>Has actual engineering and ingenuity ever been a major plot point for you?
Not engineering, but my party was in some sort of magic fortress in another dimension. On several of the doors were some eye things that shot beams of energy at us all at once and was fucking us up. I remembered that the room we passed to get there had mirrors, so I spent a turn going to get one and used it on the next turn to reflect the beams right back at the eye, killing it. We proceeded to all grab mirrors to deal with more eyes.

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>>52756035
So, do you need help coming up with a new character then? Any type you want in particular? Any particulars Chargen rules? I won't guarantee I can help, but I may make the attempt

>>52756043
Getting Sidestep Secret might be good for it, though many mysteries don't synergize well with Bard. How about instead of Oracle go with the Maestro Bloodline Sorcerer?

>>52756043
>I want to make the ultimate maestro, or at least a very effective face and buffer with a side order of healing.
You just described a non-gestalt bard.

>>52756072
>>52756131

I'm assuming Gestalt, guys! Bard and Oracle, though I totally want to play a Bard too.

>>52755549
Let them do the Shrink Item tricks savvy wizards use to make alchemical weapons viable as non-alchemists.

Barring that, a feat that lets them set the save DCs on their items, gives out the Brewkeeper's potable enhancements, or lets you Dirty Trick at range through them

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>>52756072
My group consists of a bard, a witch, a ranger (built for melee), and a monk (also built for melee).

What sort of character would you go for to round out a group like that? My first thoughts were druid, mesmerist, or alchemist, but I don't know how the witch is building and I don't think our group really needs a 3rd support character.

I don't really enjoy melee combat (I am so, so tired of power attack), so I usually avoid things like fighter, barbarian, paladin, etc. I normally play clerics, so I'd like to avoid anything like that for now.

I have no idea. I know my group is pretty balanced so just about any character could fit, but I'm still getting hung up on it anyway. I'd like to play something really unique or gimmicky, but I'm not entirely sure what that would be.

I was asking about poison builds in the last thread, but then everyone started arguing so I stopped posting.

What exactly are the commercial possibilities of magic torture?

Reminder that a roll20 normie beat out a gaggle of /pfg/ posters to get into WWW

So The Deliverance Machine is a device used for when an individual wishes to die. It's meant as a form of indirect assisted suicide, as it allows you to answer a series of questions to confirm your desire to die. I have pushes this to a large scale.

In the setting I normally run in the world is extremely old and is now dying of old age. Most gods have passed due to advanced age or conflict and those who are left have fallen to senility or are biding their time for the shake up at the end of the world.

A group of mortals are building what they are called The Deliverance Engine, a decide meant to confirm creation's desire to die due to advanced age and enact an End of Days scenario. They use the reasoning of mortals having destroyed and sucked the world essentially dry over their long tenure there and creation's voice needed representation. As well as a need for a sudden stop to the current situation to allow creation to rest and start up again when it has regained its strength.

How would your PC view such a faction?

>>52756157
Well that is straight up a Bard already, so the Oracle side would be adding tricks.

If you wanted to be more fighty, Warsighted on the Oracle side will get it done. If you want to be more casty, Spirit Guide - Lore gives you a floating chunk of the entire Sorc/Wiz spell list on demand every day (depending on DM ruling). If you want All Cha Everything, vanilla or Ancient Lorekeeper Lunar Oracle'd work.

Decide if you want your Bard spells to supplement your Oracle spells or vice versa. If you take the more casty options, you have access to three separate caster lists: Wizard, Cleric, Bard. You make a damn good Red Mage.

>>52756241
As insane as the rest of the world. Basically normal though I would not agree with them

>>52756157
My point about the non-gestalt bard is that you're getting everything you want out of the bard side, so you're free to use the other side of the gestalt to shore up what you think is weakest about the character. From where I sit, the biggest drawback for the bard is not being able to deal a lot of damage, so grab a full BAB class or something with some extra damage like sneak attack. If your DM allows 3pp, warlord would be a great option to pad out your combat capabilities.

If you're really not happy with the bard's spell selection then, yeah, you could gestalt in a full spellcaster. Sorcerers have a wider stable of spells, but an oracle or beguiler would work reasonably well too I suppose.

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>>52756182
Alright, well first of all Witches tend to be control or debuff oriented, with some utility. Bard probably has face ans support nailed, and the Ranger and Monk seem to have the melee covered and are both Wis heavy. So what you may want is either a Cha or Int based ranged combat character

Now, I remember your poison dude from last thread, and you also said you werenl't going for high-op, so you have some options.

Either go Poison based Alchemist, and apply poisons to either ranged or thrown weapons, with maybe Startoss style or something like that.

A Fighter with that one Ratfolk/Alchemy based archetype, built around Ricochet Toss and Startoss and the like and apply poisons and stuff to your thrown weapons

A typical archer build, like an Archerdin or something akin to it.

Or perhaps, and this is getting crazy now, an Eldritch Archer Magus/Brewkeeper, allowing you to apply your Harmful Homebrews on your ranged attacks!

Really, as long as you stick to Int or Cha and make something ranged, you could be good. After that, just go nuts, find a silly archetype that seems cool, and build around it.

Is any of this helpful to you?

How long should Roll20 apps be?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12768742

Page is defined as the standard settings of Microsoft Word, or Google Docs.
No emacs please.

>>52756182
First, what gimmicks are you thinking of? Poison is hard to make work, but I think the Eldritch Poisoner Alchemist is decent enough. Mesmerist wants you to be close and is about fucking with numbers, so that might not be the best choice. I would suggest Nature Fang Druid with the Eagle Domain, but that might make your Ranger player upset.

The obvious choice off the dome would be a ranged character with some utility and burst damage. Eldritch Archer Magus or Grenadier Alchemist would be my first choices. You shoot trick arrows at things and do lots of damage on lucky crits (Magus) or kind of in general (Alchy).

>>52756444
>not using emacs into LaTeX

PLEBIAN

>>52756465
I said please.

>>52756472
If you don't use emacs then you're clearly not in any respectable college, everyone at mine definately uses emacs and nobody else thinks i'm a fucking wacko

>>52756379
Oracles make very good damage dealers, given Battle mystery, Warsighted, and having Cleric buffs.

>>52756485
What do you mean first year undergrad students don't write 50+ page essays biweekly?

>>52756503
>He doesn't only write papers over 50 pages

I bet his teachers have like, a word limit or something

>>52756402
The Eldritch Archer Magus/Brewkeeper build seems really interesting to me, if only because I've never seen anything like it before. How would something like that work? I actually don't think I've ever even noticed that Magus archetype until now.

I've got like, three character concepts that need Gestalt to flesh them out, and nobody seems to be interested in it besides that dreadful lewdshit game.

What's a man to do?

>>52756541
Eldritch Archer allows you to cast touch spells through a projectile, at the expense of regular spellstrike. Brewkeeper's status effect abilities trigger off of a touch spell or splash weapon.

You get a touch cantrip (Brand is nice) and Spellstrike with it, adding the debuffs from Brewkeeper on hit. Or you do the Rime Spell Frostbite gimmick and land fatigued, staggered, slowed, and your Brewkeeper debuff.

It's pretty neat.

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Is there any GM who would be lax enough to allow both Spheres of Might and Path of War (with the likes of Broken Blade, Primal Fury, and Shattered Mirror) upon the same character?

I can only imagine how terrifying initiators would be given a Spheres of Might martial tradition, Muscular Reflexes for Strength-based Combat Reflexes, Seize the Opportunity for attack actions on attacks of opportunity, Superb Reach for another 5 reach at all times, and the infamous one-talent Dueling dip for Cut From the Air + Smash from the Air + scaling damage reduction.

>>52756581
Suck it up buttercup and post to the lewdgame anyways.

>>52755902
New Kid? is Chaika-anon a daddy now?

>>52756655
he's been a dade for a while, I guess he has two kids now.

>>52756647

The lewd game is a joke, while I'm not a fart sniffer I do like to think these characters are a bit too serious for a game that includes Gestalt robots and memory foam beds that suck your dick.

>>52756493
But all those require actions. If he (you?) wants to primarily play a bard, a very active class, the other side of the gestalt should be mostly passive: boosts that don't require actions to benefit from (things like BAB or save boosts, bonus feats for ex.) If you have to decide whether you want to cast a buff on yourself from the oracle side or start up a bardic performance on your first round of combat you're doing it wrong.

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Did the review anons die?

>>52756669
Best of luck, Chaika-anon! Kids are cruel

>>52756591
Oh wow, that's really neat.

Would you bother dipping into alchemist to make meeting the prerequisites easier, or would you just take Brew Potion/ranks in Craft (Alchemy)/Profession (Brewer) and focus on the Eldritch Archer end of things primarily after that?

>>52756644
I don't think anybody is interested in allowing Spheres of Might period right now. It's a mess in its current state with power levels all over the place, plus you run the risk of it getting the Avowed treatment and getting the knees cut out from under it half way through the app process.

>>52756699

No, they're dormant because they've reviewed every game that's recruiting.

If you've got a character you want looked over, say it.

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>>52756716
Don't we all know it.

>>52756669
>>52756655

Adoption doesn't count.

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>>52756699
He's just busy pushing other pieces around the chessboard.

>>52756770
If we were liken /pfg/ to ASOIAF who is DHB?

>>52756801

Beric Dondarrion.

>>52756734
If we're asking for character reviews, I'd like some one to go over Olivia, from Overlewd.

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4905558/applications-go-here/?pageforid=4926514#post-4926514

>>52756820
Is DHB designed to suffer?

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Who do Dhampir go to for cures when they get sick?

>>52756837
At least he got into a game

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>>52756655
>>52756669
I've always been a 26 year old father, anon! Or at least my PC is.

>>52756769
>Adoption doesn't count

I'm fairly certain bringing a dormant clone body of a millennia-old wizard queen to life via accidental soul infusion does not equate to "adoption", anon.

>>52756876
Cure Disease doesn't heal or inflict Pos En, so an Alchemist would probably work

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Post cute wizard girls

>>52756892
Did she call you daddy, though? If they call you daddy, that means you are now adopting them. It's scientifically proven

>>52756928

That's an incredibly cute wizard girl, but entirely tangential to the topic.

>>52756691
Given things like Lingering Performance and long-lasting buffs such as Magic Vestment/GMW, as well as Skill at Arms/Battle Clarity being passive, juggling buff actions isn't that big a deal with this combo.

>>52756730
Second one. Dipping against a casting class is never fun, especially as a 6th level caster.

>>52756943
Pathfinder has wizards, girls, and a measure of "cute"ness (Charisma). Ergo, there are cute wizard girls in Pathfinder. If you wanted to go cuter, you'd have to post cute Arcanist girls, but they look identical to wizard girls.

>>52756905
Good point.

>>52756837

Hence Beric Dondarrion, kept alive by the powers that be and his own autism.

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Thinking about implementing these rules for my upcoming campaign to shake things up:
>Removal of (nearly) all BAB/skill rank requirements on feats
>martial archetypes grant warder-tier progression instead of the gimped 3/4th one. (Except Hidden Blade because fuck that one)
>Nerfing of prestige class requirements so they are available at level 2

Thoughts? Should I burn on the pyre for my stupid ideas?

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>>52756928
>>52756928
>Did she call you daddy,

>>52757018
The second one is nice, but retain the 3/4ths progression for the Polymath and Warpath Follower. They're powerful enough as templates already, combining barely-affected casting with rather potent maneuvers.

Prestige class requirements are alright, though you're better off making them "Evangelist" style and letting them progress your class features from the class you entered with, but at a slower pace.
BaB/Skill requirements I'm not sure about. I say no, though.

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>>52756928
Well you've got me there. I'd still argue that adoption would require her to not actually be related to me. Given what caused her to start walkin' and talkin', it's very accurate to call her a blood relative.

>>52756972
>if you wanted to go cuter, you'd have to post cute Arcanist girls
>but they look identical to wizard girls

what is with wizards and wizard-alikes all wearing similar robes

>>52757028
You stop that. I don't care how hot the body is, that is still my child god damnit.

>>52757028

Where's the full version of this parody?

>>52757067
Good point on Polymath and Warpath Follower. Didn't consider that they had spells aswell.

>>52757018
>Except Hidden Blade
>wanting to fuck Rogues over

why tho

>>52757089

She's only technically your child! It wouldn't even be incest if you boned her!

>>52757104
I honestly feel like Hidden Blade is way too strong (for an initiator).

>>52757089
You'd better treat that daughter nicely, Chaika-anon~! Give her hugs, loves, and kisses, because she sounds adorable!

>party is stranded on an island with a few NPCs
>NPC and PC fight, NPC ends up dying
>my character decides he doesn't want to be next, decides he's better off surviving on his own
>gets kidnapped by a harpy
>ends up being raped yes i consented out of character and no it wasn't ERP, it was
a fade to black you perverted faggots
>party basically misses all chances to rescue me, unknowingly exploring in the opposite part of the island where the harpy's nest is
>GM doesn't know how to get me back into the party
What do I do, /pfg/? Harpy doesn't want to let me go, and I'm not strong enough to kill her and run off, plus my Survival is shit.

>>52757130
What does that even mean? You have initiators in your game, they effortlessly win combat period, and the degree doesn't matter. You've already committed to not caring, why start with this one class?

>>52757130
It suffers the universal problem of adding too much, but it "adds too much" to a class that had pretty much nothing anyway, on a chassis that's garbage. Its claim to fame as letting Rogue be the only full progression 6th caster/initiator also means you get nothing else.

A Stalker is still better.

>>52757187

Just retire that character, you can always find one in Sargava since this is Serpent's Skull.

>>52757201
I don't know what either of those are.

>>52757116
At best you're looking at what would effectively be Selfcest, albeit in a roundabout way. Soul fuckery is weird like that.

I hope PLD fails, Blingmaker and WWW is a bamboozle, Dragons and Dragons 2 catches fire, Seht never gets with Onryou and Valeriya never hooks up with Casimir!

>>52757187
Ask the GM who is currently talking to you, you stupid fucking faggot.

>>52757244
I doubt WWW is a boozle given it just picked players

>>52757196
>>52757191
Hidden Blade gets:
>1.5x dex twohanding
>Swift action recovery equal to Int
>Int to attack with gambit
>Your int to damage for the whole fucking party
>4 disciplines instead of the 3 all others get
>Along with all the base shit rogue gets like sneak attack, sick skill points, rogue talents, evasion and debilitating injury

I agree that a crit-fishing stalker with the "advantage" on attack/defense can be a menace, but we usually run very long adventuring days and he'd run out of ki pretty quickly.

>>52757268

Molthune Knights had a session, how's that game going?

>>52757187
New character time!

>>52757350
Anon you're going to hurt some people with that

But i'm pretty sure WWW can't bamboozle given Broodie is KNOWN

>>52757285
A Vigilante Stalker is a better point of comparison, since it doesn't rely on a resource pool as much and also gets Sneak Attack. Not as much, but it has other benefits.

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Since I have poor luck getting into games with any semblance of competition, I think I'll run one. What would you guys like to see out of these?
1.) Atmospheric survival/scavenger campaign inspired by Hyper Light Drifter and Bioshock the former more so than the latter. A lot of emphasis on cool magical items and understanding an uncompromising world.
2.) Straight-up episodic dungeon delve, where the players regularly enter new dungeons for the sole purpose of making money and winning glory.
3.) Literally Samurai Jack in reverse

So what takes priority with a low budget. Survivability or damage dealing.

>>52757420
Gimmicks. Never spend money on +1s. Find and acquire gimmick items.

>>52757420
always damage

>>52757028
>that look on his face in the second panel
>"why is this my life"

>>52757430
Understood.

>>52757420
Damage. If you can kill the enemy first, they can't hurt you or your allies

>>52757420
Even at low-midlevel where survivability is still a real thing, the game "balance" assumes you're going to get a +1 weapon that adds 1d6 to it, and an attribute-enhancer. This is you "keeping up" with the 1d6/level of an appropriate spell for the level and what they're balanced towards - you pay money for that, they pay money for whatever is actually useful or interesting.

>>52757420
Depends on what crafting feat your arcane caster has

>>52757018
That nearly is important: are you gating the feats in other ways or not? Because getting something like Spell Perfection or later Eldritch Heritage fears early can play silly buggers with balance. Personally, I'd level gate them to something like (Current BAB/skill rank level - 3). Anything that becomes level 0 or below gets turned into something everyone gets. I'd also target stat prerequisites.

Don't know enough about PoW to comment on the second, but level gating certain PrCs to third level and letting anyone take them would be a neat thing. If nothing else, make Mystic Theurge and Eldritch Knight early access.

>>52757497
Craft Wondrous.

>>52756770
Wait are Disk and Valeriya the reviewanons?

What is the highest ac a monk can get at lvl 1? No 3pp.

>>52757533
like 19

>>52757533
Some natural armor race probably.

>>52757533
Off the top of my head, and caring about ONLY your AC? 20-21, iirc.

>>52757506
Would be leaving all the caster feats as they are and only remove BAB/Skill ranks on "martial" feats. But it's probably the most ambitious change and will need close supervising.

>>52757514
Well you're fucked bro. Get him to make janky utility items that can save the day!

>>52757528

Search your heart, you know the answer.

>>52757411
Dungeon delve, but make it like X-Crawl (a dungeon crawling league) or Shadowrun (the dungeon crawls are heists on crazy prepared fortresses).

>>52757533
Without fighting defensively...

>Tengu Monk
>18 Dex/Wis before racials, 20/20 after
>take the Dodge feat
Now you have 21 AC at level 1

>>52757575
>Tengu
>Not tiefling so you can also grab +1 natural armor bonus

>>52757546
>>52757575
Skinwalker can have +1 NA can a Dex&Wis bonus.

>>52757528
Why those two?

>>52757533
>Small sized Asura-Spawn Tiefling
>+2 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Int
>20 Wis/20 Dex
>take Dodge
>take Scaled Skin
23 AC

>>52757583
>>52757589
I forgot, alrighty. That would make the AC like 22 at first level. You should probably take DEX-to-Damage stuff.

>>52757550
Okay cool. Remove stat prerequisites then, and consider replacing BAB/skill prerequisites with level.

>>52757528
Disk is, dunno about Valeriya's player, but I wouldn't put it past the cabal to be sharing an identity.

>>52757187
Have him come back as the Harpy King.

>>52757551
Such as?

>>52757381

It's been three months, those anons need to nut up and accept the game was a flop.

>>52756836
Don't have time for a full review, but here are a couple quick points.

1. Her actual start of darkness is quite good, though if you want her to be non-evil, I'd have her debate it for a little bit. Weighing a comfy life vs. bloody vengeance, before making her choice. It'd flesh out the character a bit more, and make her alignment a bit more believable.\

2. As-is, her personality is pretty generic for this sort of adventure, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but means you need to give her some quirks/foibles to make her stand out from the crowd.

3. Dunno what Sleep's expected power level is, but Gestalting a full-caster and full-initiator seems like it'd be nearly impossible to not step on the toes of your fellow PCs. Plus, I see absolutely nothing in her backstory that justifies her being a Hedgewitch; I'd swap it for Bard or Mesmerist, which seems to fit much better with your theme.

If your character had a smart phone, what description and profile pictures would they use for Tinder? Who would they swipe right for?

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>>52755487
D-Did anyone else get a roll20 ping about their blingmaker character? I was having second thoughts about the game itself but I don't want to pull out if the GM likes the character

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>>52757934
>no PM.
I never had faith in my app to begin with.

>>52757906
I like the idea of having her debate the choice, that's a good idea.

Her personality could stand for a bit more expansion. It definitely feels a bit too sparse for me

Hedgewitch isn't a full caster, and I don't see how bard or mesmerist makes more sense than hedgewitch. But you're right in that it isn't really explained well. I'll have to work on that.

>>52757934
>>52757951

You're supposed to send him a PM asking for a review, you goofuses.

>>52757922
>Single
>Emotional troubles
>Looking for confidante

He swipes right for smaller girls, especially if they like animals

>>52755487
When you start a surprise round, do the enemies get to roll initiative before the surprise round or after.
I'm asking because part of my strategy is lowering their dex in the first round.

>>52757922
He wouldn't use Tinder.

>>52758000

They roll initiative after the surprise round!

>>52758010
Awesome, thanks.

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>>52757976
This confirms my suspicions I never sent a PM and got one anyway
Time to touch up the app and see what happens

>>52756734
>Reviewed every game that's recruiting
But the one reviewanon still had over half the roster of overlewd to go over

>>52758060

I hope this doesn't deflate your dreams, but the DM said he was going to be sending out PMs to all of the older characters - going down the list, as it were.

You have until Wednesday or Saturday, good luck!

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>>52758092
Where did he say this? Where are proofs? Post proofs!

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>>52757383
I'm playing a Bushi Vigilante Stalker.

It's fun.

>>52758178

>I'm going to start sending out reviews by Roll20 PM after I post this message. If you don't receive a review from me, that does NOT mean you've been discounted from getting into the game. It simply means I didn't have time to get to your app- I started with the oldest apps and worked my way up towards the most recent ones (but skipping characters I had already reviewed previously). I am still willing to do reviews for those who I was unable to get to reviewing over these past few days and the people who posted apps after I had lost internet access, but I will only be doing them at request

>>52757906
Hedgewitch is literally nothing in terms of fluff, they even choose their casting mod

>>52757906
>Hedgewitch
>Fullcaster
>needing to justify being the fluff-agnostic hedgewitch

nani

>>52758219
>>52758266

Hedgewitch expects you to be a more rustic type, working with herbs and hexes as a village apothecary.

>>52758219
>>52758266
Sphere classes in general are very fluff light, Hedgewitch is especially notable for this

The way RPGs should be

>>52758186
I am as well! Can't wait for 6 though, when I can freely rotate boosts and such.

>>52758294
That is at best only two of the specializations. The less common ones, too.

>>52758294
Er, no? Not at all? The traditions are extremely diverse.

>>52758294
Oh, you meant this piece of shit?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/archetypes/paizo-witch-archetypes/hedge-witch/

When everyone else assumed spheres hedgewitch

>>52758334
Yeah, 6th is gonna get wild.

Mind if I ask for a bit of advice from a fellow buvis? It's a weird one...

>>52758334
>>52758342

>Among witches, there are those who devote themselves to the care of others and restrict their practices to the healing arts. They often take the place of clerics in rural communities and may wander the countryside servicing the needs of several small communities

The app has zero mention of anything that might have given her outside powers, much less the healing arts.

> WWW selections

Seems pretty solid. Only Mary really surprised me given how hard she leans towards being a special snowflake. Also a bit sad John didn't make it, I had the narrator from Bastion going in my head while reading it, in a good way. I think there was some lost potential there.

>>52758409
I'm absolute trash at PoW, but go for it anyway, maybe we can both learn something.

>>52758422
It's the SoP hedgewitch.

>>52758422
WHAT ACTUAL CLASS IS SHE, MOTHERFUCKER. HEDGEWITCH IS A SPHERE CLASS THAT IS FLUFF AGNOSTIC.

>>52758334
>>52758409
I've played a bushi brutal slayer stalker to 11th. What do you want to know?

>>52758441

Oh, you mean that flavorless gruel? How did Olivia spice that class up?

>>52758431
>>52758455
Well, due to shenanigans my GM has given us a bonus feat at 2nd level.

I'm focusing on Scarlet Throne and Mithral Current, any ideas of what to grab?
I'm almost tempted to just take Extra Readied Maneuver, but I'm not sure it's actually the best choice.

>>52758452

SO SHE CAN DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

DID SHE? WHERE IN HER BACKSTORY DID SHE GET HER POWERS?

>>52758475
To be fair, >>52757962 did say it wasn't explained well.

>>52758219
>>52758266

Correct... but they're still a dedicated casting class. Presumably you'd want to at least *mention* a character's significant magical talent and how it developed.

>>52757962
>Hedgewitch isn't a full caster
Eh, I must have had it confused with another spheres caster then. My suggestion for Bard was to support her military side (while keeping the knowledges), because buffing allies. Whereas the Mesmerist was meant to support her manipulative side, because enchantments and +1/2 level to Bluff.

Using a fluff-free class is fine, but then the onus of fluffing the class is on you.

>>52758498
If you have the time, would you quickly review what I have for my Overlewd app?

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4905558/applications-go-here/?pageforid=4911139#post-4911139

>>52758498
She's an aasimar using Charisma as a casting modifier, it's enough

>>52758498
Alright Reviewanon what do you make of the WWW picks

>>52758533

No it's not.

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>>52758498
Yeah, it's a little lacking on my explanation of it. It was supposed to come off as a tactician-y type ability set, with an emphasis into war sphere and Font to give a sort of tactical feel. The Triple Goddess/Fate/Life sphere stuff isn't really well though out, beyond being an aasimar and definitely not a way to make her a Newtype..

>>52758553
>I have magic because I have divine blood

Done

>>52758475
WE SHOULD ASK THIS QUESTION ABOUT EVERY APP, ACTUALLY

>>52758581
It does seem a little unfair to criticize just this one app for a thing that a ton of apps do.

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How do you build him?

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>>52758554
>all these babbies using Granblue art

>>52758601
Who should we start with, though?

>>52758602
You jump off a bridge for playing a garbage game

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>>52758607
What's wrong with Granblue art?

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>>52758628
>You jump off a bridge for playing a garbage game

>posting in a thread about Pathfinder

>>52758602
Shit game, shit character, shit taste.

>>52758646
AND YET HE CHOOSES A WORSE ONE

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How do you build him?

>>52758658
Nah, Yooka Laylee would be an objectively worse game. LoL is only bad enough to be on par.

>>52758694
Now this is worth answering

Alright lets see this nigga is probably a Barbarian or Bloodrager of somesort

>>52758567

Okay, say that in the application.

But wouldn't that be Sorcerer or maaaayyybbbbeeee Oracle? Hedgewitches aren't born with power.

>>52758768
>hedgewitches aren't born with power

says who

>>52758773

Says the very heart of witchcraft, which is about forming pacts and acquiring power through deals.

You might as well say your Wizard acquired their power through the gods granting it to him at the cost of the use of a leg.

>>52758799
In spheres, you could.

>>52758799
can a witch be a nigga

>>52758810
One of the reasons spheres is fucking stupid.

>>52758854
>Spheres stupid

"Abloo abloo abloo how dare people want to make characters any way they like."

>>52758854
I do not understand your objections, good sir.

>>52758854
I'll bet you love alignment restrictions too, don't you, faggot?

>tfw touhoufag autisms himself out of another game

>>52758539
I knew basically nothing, and still got 3/5. Pretty good.

The people I didn't pick were also pretty solid apps.

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>>52758799
>>52758854
Hedgewitch is not specifically a "Witch", anon, it's just a class name. You don't give a fuck about your actual class name in-world, because Spheres is designed to be refluffable because all they cared about was functionality instead of forcing you to do certain things with fluff.

>>52758870
You don't need spheres to refluff things, though.

>>52758874
My guess is wanting to have class names denote what kind of magic the character does, at least fluff wise.

I had that qualm with SoP to a lesser extent, in how the system is modular but waffles on whether classes are hyperspecific (the Low Casters, mostly), completely modular (Hedgewitch, the shapeshifter one) or just xeroxed (Wizard equivalent).

>>52758944
'whaaa why are people having fun building unique characters reeee my players can't play elves because they can't do it convincingly even though elves don't exist and nobody could possibly describe what a realistic elf is reee'

>>52758602
There's a turret engineer class in Gonzo, use that.
Or just use that one tinkerer alchemist archetype

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>>52758977
What about this one?

>>52758905

What's wrong with alignment restrictions? When you know the boundaries you're able to really make a fun concept within said boundaries.

>>52758958
Can you stop being an autist for 5 seconds or is that too much to ask?

A rogue's favorite armor is hide
A cleric's favorite armor is leather because it's cured
A lizardfolk postman only delivers scale mail
A chef is only proficient in one kind of armor: full plate
A knight on a diet can only get half plate
A wizard that uses message on the whole party only wears chain mail
Chicken is normally served on a breastplate

>league autism

>>52759014
League of garbage

>>52755868
POMF POMF, KIMOCHI~
BUT WHAT'S THIS STICKY STUFF ON ME?

>>52759010
Can you stop being a fucking retard for 1?

>>52759013

I love you, anon.

>>52758581
>WE SHOULD ASK THIS QUESTION ABOUT EVERY APP, ACTUALLY
NO, I NEED TO HAVE THE POWERS IN THE APP UTTERLY UNEXPLAINED

IF YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN ALL THE POWERS YOU'LL END UP WITH EVERYONE HAVING TO ENROL IN MILITARY SCHOOLS TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE GOOD WITH EVERYTHING FROM HALBERDS TO TWOHANDING KATANAS TO THROWING DAGGERS AND LONGBOWS

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>>52759013
So you, too, know the path.

>>52758994
A Kami or fey of some kind

>>52758935

So it's a flavorless nothing that is basically a nutritional powder you pour on your second class?

That doesn't sound fun.

>>52759060
You're a fucking retard

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>>52759060
>I cannot use tools given to me in order to make a character who is fun to play

>>52759070
No no, let him keep going, this is hilarious.

>>52759040

THIS IS NOT TRUE AT ALL AND YOU KNOW IT. HOW OFTEN DO CHARACTERS PICK UP WEAPONS COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THEIR PURPOSE OR PROFESSION.

MY SLAYER TECHNICALLY KNOWS HOW TO USE A LONGSWORD, DOES NOT MEAN HE WILL ACT LIKE HE KNOWS HOW TO USE ONE IF ONE GETS IN HIS HANDS.

>>52759121
but mechanically he does know, so if he ever does pick it up, you now have ludo-narrative dissonance.

>>52759060
No, its a "this thing is for building a character around a particular chosen thematic concept as prvoded from one of its modular choices"

Whether that for making a magical tonic saleman by mixing Herbalism and Charlatinism, or by being a scholar who wishes to study life and death by combining Academic and Spiritualism, its supposed to be a class all about applying studied and uncovered knowledge and skills to your own magical aptitude, through whatever means you have available.

How is this hard to understand? Do you have legit brain damage?

>>52759013
A magus who specializes in burning hands knows a lot about firearms

>>52759144
Ok, so as the creator of the app in question, what are some ways I can explain the Font of Inspiration and Triple Goddess choices?

>>52759137

Not really, I just give myself a -4 to-hit penalty.

>>52759180
Then you're breaking the rules.

>>52759121
BUT YOUR CHARACTER KNOWS HOW TO USE A LONGSWORD, IT SAYS SO ON HIS SHEET

YOU CAN'T CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE CLASS FEATURES

>>52759184
>>52759193

SHUT UP, I'M ACTUALLY ROLEPLAYING AND YOU'RE BEING STICKS IN THE MUD.

>>52759202
>muh roleplay

This thread always feels like it's trying to take Poe's Law to every extreme it can.

>>52759166

Simply explain how she came across this power, how it affects her life, and what she does with it.

It only needs to be two sentences at most.

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>>52759231
Is that supposed to be funny?

>>52759202
/pfg/ hates people who actually have games, haven't you figured that out yet?

How many people that have gotten into games recently have that as their only game?

>>52759166
I only just now got into this conversation, so I don't know anything about the app in question, so I'm going to just give an example

Now, Font of Inspiration is a Tradition based on the use of Divination and other prophetic nonesense, while Triple Goddess is based around the whole Fates/Norns/MotherMaidenCrone deal

Perhaps fluff it as being blessed or cursed by some such entities to occasionally recieve prophetic visions and the ability to see the skeins of fate and alter them. Or perhaps your own destiny was somehow altered and the threads of your fate tangled and woven in such a way that you have learend how to occasionally see and pluck at the threads of the tapestry of the universe.

Really, the fluff would make you something like an Oracle, or Cassandra of Troy

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>>52759034
Thank (You) for giving me an opportunity to post this.

Moving on from that ungodly faggotry, what's a good way to get a non-AC buddy, preferably humanoid with opposable thumbs? Summoner is the easy answer, but standard action Summon Monster is too tempting not to use.

>>52759318
Get a familiar you absolutely daft cunt

>First time playing a Wizard
>"If you want to use a spell twice, you have to pick it twice for your spells known per day!"

...The fuck? I hope this gets better beyond level 2, because I've got no-options and unless I do something silly like take the INT mod on ranged attacks bonus feat, I'm useless once I cast my self buffs.

No real options, and I'm no nuker.
Don't really know what to pick or expect..

>>52759340
If you wanted to cast the same spell over and over, you should have played a sorc mate

If you want to prep like a wizard but cast them as many times as you like, play an Arcanist

>>52759340
Do you have color spray? Sleep? Because that's how a wizard trivializes 80% of encounters from 1.

>>52759217

Lemme explain how I would roleplay that out.

He picks up the longsword, but professes his inability to use it. When downtime hits, he tries out the sword and swiftly learns how to work the blade.

Bam, proficiency. He'll only have the -4 if he picks it up and is expected to use it in that same dungeon.

>>52759340
Welcome to Vancian Casting, look up a guide on wizard spell selection and buckle in for being backline support for a few levels.

Your general action order in combat should probably be:
>Decide if it's a big enough threat to use spells on
>Pop a buff spell on the frontliner, or use a Save-or-Suck that targets multiple foes
>grab an acid flask from your pack once that's done, but DON'T THROW IT
>use it as a focus for your Acid Splash Cantrip to add +1 damage
>twiddle your thumbs in anticipation of level 5+, where you will quickly ascend to becoming the most important member of the party

>>52759357
Nope, none of that happens. He knows how to use the sword whether or not he chooses to. To say he doesn't know, he would, in-character, have to literally be lying.

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>>52759235
>>52759310
I picked that font+goddess because it felt like a cool thing for a commander/tactician to have alongside the war sphere stuff. Could she have occasional prophetic flashes, or feelings, to explain the fate sphere, inspiration, and triple goddess stuff? I could use her celestial blood as a means of explaining that, even if she's mostly human.

Maybe it'd come across as a pressure?

>>52759414
KONO
PRESSA

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Tell me about your favorite character.

>>52759414

Maybe she's unwittingly following the life or story of a goddess? Maiden, Mother, Crone. Triple Aspect.

>>52759354

>Color Spray
Yes.

>Sleep
Opposing school. Not a viable pick until I can get that school back.

>>52759351

>If you want to prep like Wiz but cast as many times, that's Arcanist.

Time to find a nice town guard to kick in the codpiece to commit some high suicide.

>>52759401

So far it's been

>Buff up
>Shoot light crossbow
>Battle's over before they get up to me.

Two battles, and one was won because of low rolling DM. So far so good, but..level 5 better be the fucking shit. and fireball shouldn't be the only reason!

>>52759453
how about just talk to your GM

>>52759405

Anon please, you're starting to become that guy.

>>52759323
But only the Monkey has thumbs until Improved Familiar comes online.

>>52759340
What school did you pick, what spells do you have and why aren't two of them Sleep and Color Spray, where are your bonus spells from having a high Int, why aren't you playing an Arcanist.

I have many questions, Ed boy.

>>52759437
Basically, it's exactly that. I just don't know how to explain that succinctly.

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>>52759414
Or, perhaps as part of a pact made with some norns, she can gain prophetic visions of multiple outcomes to come as a gift to help her hasten her great destiny. Though, if she taxes it too much it can be devistating.
Basically take you Char and splash in some Zechs

>>52759453
>Fireball better not be the only reason

Blasting is mediocre for baseline wizard. What schools do you have for both sides. What do you WANT to be doing. Have you looked through any of the guides in the zenith game guide list to get an idea of spells.

>>52759453
>Self buff

Nigga you ain't a Cleric. Stop that shit. Unless you're playing silly buggers with the Foresight subschool, there shouldn't be anything you need to buff yourself with, as opposed to the party fighting man.

>>52759482
That's maybe a good idea, though I wonder if that'd complicate the character's story too much. I don't like backstories that just feel like justifications for class features.

>>52759600

You need to justify the class features though, just look for ways to make it seamless.

>>52759620
Yeah, that's where it gets difficult sometimes; too little justification, and things aren't explained, but too much and it stories become really jarring and sometimes nonsensical. I'll probably go with the celestial blood explanation, or the zechs idea, since that's a bit interesting.

>>52755648
I got rickity rickity wrecked on Blue Moon and Sailor Jerry's and shitposted all weekend.

Dear /pfg/ I have decided to never play anything but a Slayer going forward. Please give me all your Slayer build ideas so I can compile them onto a notepad for future use.

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>>52759684
>tfw slayer gets no 1pp OR 3pp support

>>52759684
Why slayer?

>>52757244
>hoping for PLD to fail

It already has. One rape victim in as many sessions is just a normal game!

>>52757244
>Dragons 2 catches fire
It's okay, my character is fire immune.

>>52759620
Honestly, this is why I want to get ripped into by a reviewanon, it's fun to see how well someone thinks you've managed to integrate mechanics into fluff.

>>52759698
Hey, hey, there was that one 3pp book that had stuff! I think? There hasn't been anything recently but still!
I want a non-initiating version of Brutal Slayer to be made as a Slayer Archetype.

>>52759719
>Slaying Brute initiating archetype for Slayer.

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>When the DM and the Reviewanons both love your character

>>52759714
Hi Calsi

>>52759703
I hate Pathfinder but all my friends love it and even if I convince them to try another system it never sticks.

Slayer lets me ignore a lot of my issues with Pathfinder and I like the flavour which despite being generic, has surprisingly few straight counterparts in other systems.

>>52759684
Bow-using Slayer who dedicates everything into being an asshole who goes first and has high extended range on his dogshit Sneak Attacks.

Sanctified Slayer, being better and more powerful in nearly every way. Know all about monsters and use lots of Bane. And a Bane Baldric.

That's about it unless you want to be a greatsword user, or occupy the """"role"""" of being able to use TWF without Dex investment so you can experience it being dogshit regardless of attribute.

>>52759684
>>52759754
I don't recommend saying you'll NEVER play anything else, but it's a good thing to default back to since it's nice at simple. I'd at least recommend keeping an open mind for Sanctified Slayer (An Inquisitor Archetype_, assuming "spontaneous vancian casting" is not on your shitlist.

>>52758581
God Magic

>>52759740
Do not headpat the wheel.
Headpats are gateway drug to heavy petting.

>>52759741
Hello!

>>52759758
Man, why is TWF just dogshit. Even 3pp makes it still meh.

>>52759740
The feeling when nobody liked your character and you still made the cut.

>>52759698
WHY DOES PAIZO HATE HYBRIDS

>>52759801
>Whoah, man, two weapons? That's hella hard. Here, you need 6 out of your normal 10 feats to be good at it and also some class feature support.

>>52759796
I want to get snuggly with the Wheel and see where things go from there!

>>52759477
Be an aberrant bloodline bloodrager or feat into it. Get a tumor familiar. Make it a protector

Conglaturations, you now have a 50% HP buffer that regenerates for free over time

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>>52757528
>>52757648
I can attest that I don't do character reviews.

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>>52759842
>needs a shit ton of feats to get off the ground and stay off the ground
>even then it just does about as much as two-handing, but with a -2 and no power attack, so it'd need an extra ~6 average damage on the off-hand hit just to equalize.
A-at least Paizo isn't a bunch of kirito SAO fanboys.

>>52759489

Well, I picked Conjuration for the reason of sweet walls and pitfalls.

Maybe summoning since no one shuts up about it

>>52759465

>What school.

Conjuration, Teleportation subschool.

>What spells do you have and why aren't two of them sleep/color spray?

One's color spray, and the other's Mount. I've a Light Crossbow with 18 dex for damage.

The other questions, I'm none too sure. Guess I've made a mistake trying to play outside my Thief/Fighter/Gunslinger/Swashbuckler funk. Darn.

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>>52759740

>When the DM and Reviewanons love your character but in play they kinda come across as bland so you gradually get pushed into the back so all your hopes and dreams are left unrealized

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>when you're great at making characters and enjoy playing them

>>52759801
>>52759842
>>52759909
>tfw it's another case of how the feats should haVE FUCKING SCALED INSTEAD OF BEING SEPARATE
>you've still yet to play in a game that bothers to houserule that shit

it hurts

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>>52759684

>Bow-using Slayer focused on sneaky sneaky attacks
>Switch-Hitter Slayer
>Bounty Hunter Slayer with a Halberd
>Nobleman Slayer using a longsword or Dueling Sword
>Geralt of Rivia, two swords and a focus on Survival and Tracking
>Sniper with a Musket

>>52759909
You're forgetting action issues. When you approach someone and attack with your feat investment, you don't even deal your tradeoff-balanced damage. You just hit once with your primary. Same with AoOs - you're totally nonthreatening in mobile combat.

Then the two-handers get awesome features like reach on you, and it just never looks good again. Use some kind of homebrew if you have players who want to TWF, always.

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>>52759809

Because they're TOO STRONG!

>>52759861

Oh gosh, a quick archive check on that filename brought back the Fetish Chart results for Valeriya.

>>52760014
>PUTTING YOUR IMAGE IN THE F-LIST

Absolute madwoman.

>>52760014
It's not exactly a hard filename to copy, anon.

>>52760026

What? Not F-List, just the rolls when the thread lit on fire from that chart getting posted.

>>52760000
>halberd
>longsword
How many times do I have to tell you guys that exotic weapons are FREE?

>>52760049
Oh

So..

You haven't found her f-list yet?

>>52759705
I'm working on it man, I'm working on it!

>>52760070

Doesn't exist.

Is there any class that casts off of dex?

>>52760084
No because that would be ridiculous.

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>>52760053
>tfw Paizo was literally doing the right thing and fixing the Weapon Focus feat taxes
>but stumbled and tripped over Let's Invalidate All Martial Weapons on the way

>>52760072
Put your dicks where their mouths are, Vult!

>>52760083
Damn

>>52760084
It's a street performer! And then you get nothing out of it.

>>52760053
>Exotic Weapons are FREE

WHAT?

>>52760097
Yeah, that's why I want to do it.

What about not-quite-caster stuff, like initiators? Or going even further, resources like grit/ki based off of dex?

>>52760099
Except it doesn't invalidate ALL martial weapons, just the MAJORITY of martial weapons!

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>>52755648
I sang a miniboss to death. Webm /tangentially/ related.

>>52760084
>take agile dancer trait for dex to perform: dance
>versatile performance: dance
>get expanded versatility to add UMD to the skills subbed by perform dance
>use dex to cast from wands
Done.

>>52759166
>Font of Inspiration
>Triple Goddess

The only way you could be more of a meme is if you had Spiritualism.

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>>52760137
Reminder that symphogear had initiators

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>>52760101
That's the plan!

Though, honestly, I'm not sure if there's going to be a session this week. I don't want to pressure people into weekly sessions on a bi-weekly game, and that's ignoring that we're trying to push plot forward with a play-by-post

>>52760168
UHM BLUE BOARD BLUE BOARD

>>52760159
That's more of an explanation for his powers than in the actual show I'm pretty sure.

>>52760168

That's not what the Manticore looks like at all!

>>52760115
Anon left out the 2000gp fine print, but basically if you spend any amount of time fighting with weapons you probably want to do this.

>Wayfinder: 500gp
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/r-z/wayfinder-standard/
By combining this item with an Opalescent White Pyramid, you get Weapon Focus without spending a valuable feat for Paizo Tax.

>Opalescent White Pyramid (cracked): 1500gp
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/h-l/ioun-stones/opalescent-white-pyramid-ioun-stone/
The cracked stone here that you need to activate that feature of the Wayfinder? It gives Weapon Familiarity in its chosen weapon. This is always on the way to your featless Weapon Focus.

>>52760171
Anon, everything naughty is covered

>>52760183
i thought wayfinders didn't always resonate with stones?

>>52760168
>IF I SEE THAT VAGUELY FELINE CHIMERIC BEING ONE MORE TIME

>>52760053

>Exotic Weapons are free.

Que?

>>52760141
How would you fluff that? The activation command for all of your wands is an interpretive dance?

>>52760053
>It's free
>Except you have to pay for an ioun stone
>And if that's ever taken away, you no longer know how the fuck to use your chosen weapon

How about no?

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>>52760201
Oh my, what will happen then?

>>52760208
>levi O sa
>not levio SA

>>52760208
You samba with the wand to seduce it.

>>52760168
>and that's ignoring that we're trying to push plot forward with a play-by-post

What? That wasn't advertised!

>>52760219
>taken away
It's put in a Wayfinder, not floating. You're not losing it.

>>52760224

Swish
and
Flick

>>52760230
It wasn't planned, it was a band-aid because so little was being accomplished in the sessions. Sessions are now for fighting.

>>52760234
Except for other situations in which it could be taken away.

And then you don't know how to work the weapon, you're just piggybacking off some rock.

Which isn't cool.

>>52760254
It's always going to be a better choice than being behind on the laundry list of do-nothing feats you need to take before taking feats that do things.

>>52760208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUWQFnC2zqU
Like this, I suppose, if it's a wand.

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>>52760168
>I don't want to pressure people into weekly sessions on a bi-weekly game

Are they that thirsty?