Infinity General: Colombians Sleeping Siestas Edition

Hey OP, here's a cool page/resource for the next time if you do it

https://human-sphere.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

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>>52751837

God damnit you sparking piece of transparant ass, you find me video of a woman and a shrike tardigigrade goin' at it before I finish this coca-cola!

>>52751837
Hey, Sibylla, how the heck am I supposed to pronounce Yuan Yuan when I order them on the phone EXTRA THICK?


Also, what color are MORAT NIPPLES?

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>>52752040
Red ya dingus!

>>52751837
New search. Do Helots have internal fertilization?

Do Helots have cloaca or Dolphin-like genitals?

Can their tails fit as a butt plug if not?

ORDER CORN!

>>52752327
>New search. Do Helots have internal fertilization?
I can answer this one. No.

Which faction can make the most flexible and "unfair" army? I am a new player and the number of factions and sub factions seems hard to judge.

>>52752564

Define 'unfair'.

>>52752623
Army that has an build in adventage that lets it ignore and important core rule or set of core rules. Not some, fluff says X so we give your guys berzerker rules and make them bad, but something like eldar have. I don't have much expiriance with table top gaming and I wouldn't want to invest in to faction which is hard to play or stright up bad, or which maybe good on paper, but which everyone can hard counter by buying some hard counter models.

>>52752762
Sounds like you want to play ariadna

Is six bikes in a JSA list a bad idea?

>>52752835
It's a one trick pony that would play out just about how you'd expect it to. Fragile. Fast. Frantic.

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>>52752762
Infinity straight up does not work that way.
It may sound weird to you, but this game is actually balanced.

Ariadna Camo Spam is hard to deal with if you're unprepared, but take a sensor unit and MSV2 with a good weapon and it folds. HI Pain Train seems unkillable until it gets in your Hacker/Repeater range and they are all Carbonated. TAG Rambo is giving you a hard time? Glue it or kill it's order supply and suddenly it's just a big paperweight. Or take it over with your own hacker and kill the opposing army.

Stats and unit skills will not win you in this game, but if you want to rely on them, sounds like ALEPH/Steel Phalanx may be your speed. They are elite armies with very hard to kill units and some specific, kind of "unfair" special abilities (Post-Humans in vanilla ALEPH, Fireteam: Enomotarchos in Steel Phalanx).

You will still get your shit kicked in until you learn how to use tactics unless you're going against people as new as you, as those armies are known noob-stompers.

>>52752790
I though about this too at first, didn't knew which faction to pick. But then some vets pointed out to me that they would just be runing smoke my troops wouldn't be able to ignore, and they would just spam troops that do ignore smoke and blast me from far range. I think I may still buy some Ariadnan models as I like them. But for an army I would like something good. Just not the penis faction which ever that is, there is one dude that plays them here and everyone is making fun of him for playing those.

I was thinking about pan'o of some sort. I have a rule that blue stuff is always OP in every game. Eldar in w40k, efls in WFB, sigmarines in AoS, blue in MtG etc Just don't know which faction would be best. Military Orders has some awesome models, and they have Teutonic Knights which is a double plus in their favor.

>>52752762
>>52752564

Hard to nail it down. Even a sectorial can have vastly different playstyles depending on what core you give.

Bakunin, for example, can have the "meh" core link of Moderators with some Moiras and such supplementing, or the best HI link in the game with Riot Grrrls. Of course, if you field the latter you can possibly be "hard countered" by other factions with sources of white noise (not many, granted) or good Close Quarters specialists. There's no "auto-win" army, but plenty of ways to auto-lose.

Infinity as a wargame has pretty decent interfactional balance, even Shasvasti which has the reputation for being the most mediocre can get plenty of success (especially given they have some "diamond in the rough"
individual unit profiles like Speculo Killers and the Sphinx). Caledonia, which was generally also considered kind of Mediocre, also had a player win a large event some weeks ago.


Although, I guess if I had to give answers in the spirit of your question, Steel Phalanx and Tohaa tend to be called a "newb stomper armies" for their abundance of high stats, ODD, Dogged/NWI, or Pseudo Two Wounds and Symbiomates; with touches of higher than usual numbers of Fireteams for both with Enotomarchos and Triad.

>>52752963
So which army would you propose. One has to be the best at 200pts, as this is what everyone plays here.

>>52752986
...penis faction? Also Teutons are shit, outclassed by every other HI in PanO.

>>52752986
>But then some vets pointed out to me that they would just be runing smoke my troops wouldn't be able to ignore, and they would just spam troops that do ignore smoke and blast me from far range.
Armies that get both Smoke and MSV2 usually can't afford to field more than 1, sometimes 2 MSV2 units. Kill it and the tactic folds. Also most of the time the game is about collecting objectives using Specialists, not killing the other guys.

>But for an army I would like something good.
All armies are good. Well, maybe besides Shasvastii.

>I was thinking about pan'o of some sort. I have a rule that blue stuff is always OP in every game. Eldar in w40k, efls in WFB, sigmarines in AoS, blue in MtG etc Just don't know which faction would be best. Military Orders has some awesome models, and they have Teutonic Knights which is a double plus in their favor.
A swing and a miss. PanO is very much like Tau, including Military Orders. They can shoot well and that's it. How is that bad you ask? Well, for one thing they don't have Smoke, they don't have cheap disposable units ("warbands") designed to punch above their point level, most of their stuff is very specialized and predictable, while not being cheap (but usually not super expensive either). Also they have faction-wide low WIP, making it harder for them to score Objectives.
MO are a bit off in that they rely on HI units (rising point cost) and they usually have shorter ranged weapons than the rest of PanO. But they can work well with a Magister Knight link.
Teutons... I'm sorry to disappoint you, but Teutons are straight up shite. For a disposable unit they are a bit costly and they are too fragile to be anything else. And they can't form Link Teams, which is the main point of playing a sectorial.
That said, I play PanO myself and I often use Knight models in vanilla armies (usually either Father-Knight, Sepulchre or Joan, sometimes Black Friar and Konstantinos is an auto-include for me). Best player here plays NCA.

>>52753149
I guess I can buy a few of them and some of the ariadna models just to have them painted.

But it is possible to build a powerful pan'o army, right?

>>52753200

Literally every army has powerful options in it, anon. Every army in Infinity is more or less equally viable (with the exception of, arguably, the Shasvassti sectorial and the Scottish sectorial.)

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>>52753200
>But it is possible to build a powerful pan'o army, right?
Sure! You just need to know how to play it too.
Do you want something quick 200pts that uses the starter pack (assuming you don't get it Icestorm, so without FK)? Here's one that uses the starter box, Mulebots box and Support Pack. 10 Orders, 3 specialists (which is a bit low, but for a start it'll work), one BS 14 HMG and Sniper Nisse, who is golden (and a priority target; don't be surprised if he gets killed first).
Don't sweat too much about WYSIWYG, unless your locals are chodes.

>>52753200
Of course, because this game is well balanced. As another anon has said, Shasvastii is probably the worst sectorial but the top player in USA plays them. There isnt an auto win army, nor auto win lists. You need to play better to win, and some luck too cause dice.

>>52753178
MO would benefit greatly from a Haris option. Really wish the Santiagos got an Engineer profile, they are space marines after all. They still beat the shit out of anything that isnt CC oriented.

>>52753178
I was thinking about something like this
1 Fusalier with HMG, 1 Bipandra, 3 combi Fusaliers. 1 Aquila Guard with a HMG. 1 Locust with Killer hacking Device. 1 Pathfinder dronbot. 1 Mulebot minesweeper. 1 Warcore with an Air Cam.

>>52753297
I would rather want something to use for events and normal games. Boxs aren't a problem, as am going to buying recasts and second hands anyway. But if boxs are with required Limited Option models, I can go for those two. I know that people here got realy hands on when buying out big army boxs.

>>52753149
Tootin' is okay every once in a while. At the end of the day homeboy is a 34 pt BS14 spitfire HI. But ya, that's a super niche role to fill.

They're kind of like orcs and bolts. They won't lose you the game or anything but there's options with less fat on them.

>>52753403
That sounds like NCA, with a Fusilier Link.
Locust doesn't have a KHD, were you thinking Hexas? Locust has AHD which costs 0.5SWC and targets different things. Both are good, but work differently (Hexas can get invisible while Locust starts up mid-field).

My advice would be to replace Locust with Hexa KHD, replace HMG Fusi with Sniper Fusi (so they can make a good defensive link), throw Warcor away and put in Machinist, but your list can work too. Keep in mind that Aquila is not invincible, as was proven to me when I fielded him last time and got shot in the back by a Naga.

>>52753403
>locust killer hacker

Ah anon, if only this were true.

>>52753149
I assume he means the Steel Phallus.

>>52751888
P-please speak with your local ambassador! (Can they really access these things on Arachne? What sort of guide do they have there!?)

>>52752040
Mayanet only supplies information on licensed privateer corps, the MERCS system. Khanate and Sultanate clients are advised to reroute through Bourak's Intranet...would you like a suitable proxy connection?

Please tune into this week's 'Myrmidon Wars', I believe the heroic Phoenix teaches our young protagonist how to wrestle something called a 'Zerat'!

>>52752327
Xenobiology regarding Varuna's natives is currently proprietary knowledge split among three corporations. PanOceanian citizens may access this information for a reasonable fee. Would you like me to charge this?

Your corn* is on its way, citizen.

*(dextrose, soy food byproduct, Red #5, and corn starch flavoring)

>>52753618
>>52753649
Ok, so I understand that the KHD is the good option and the AHD is the meh one. I will replace the locutus with the hexas. If the army is ok, I will go and order the models. Unless there is something much better to be build.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12730910/r

So, what does Remote Operation Level 1 on the techbees actually do? It's on neither rules wiki and I don't have any of hte books.

>>52753090
Haqqislam. Can be built straightforward or tricky, has access to some techy toys, and is cheap so low-points format is not a problem.

>>52753828
And you get to make terrorist jokes.

>>52753784
Gives your machinist a bonus, +1 I believe

>>52753849
"RELIGION OF PEACE"
>Fiday

Wise /tg/, what are some good infinity podcasts? I've tried Mayacast and found it okay. Are there other good ones?

>>52753849
I don't get this. why would someone playing haqqislam would be made fun with terrorist jokes? If anyone the terrorist jokes should be directed at the faction that has the most jews in it. The unlawful state of israel is the real terrorists.

>>52753878
It's +1 WIP on engineering roles. She, the warcor and Joan are all gonna be friends, and say weird passive aggressive shit to each other.

>>52753903
Ugh, here we go.

>>52753902
Total reaktion comes to mind, also Cho's and PoR's podcasts are alright

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>>52753903
Well the pole-posting wasn't working so they just changed tactics to pol-posting

>>52753903
I know this is bait, but the largest Jewish enclaves outside of earth are actually located on Bourak if I remember the fluff right.

Remember, USAriadna funds Dogface and Wulver terrorist groups.

>>52753614
If Teuts had Dogged and maybe special Haris with a FK or something, that would be great. Orcs get to shine in NCA because of that Haris option.

>>52753784
+1WIP on Engineering and Crabbot button pushing rolls.

>>52753746
>None of the colors match the factions

I didn't think my autism was this bad.

Also, their President is a puppet of the Kazakh state.

>>>None of the colors match the factions

I didn't think my autism was this bad.

It bothers me too, but I didn't make it.

>>52753746
As the person who made the poll, I think Haqqislam sneaked up as everyone's second faction. That was probably helped with Red Veil. Although I do think overall /tg/ browsers who fill out the strawpolls I post are a lot of Haqqislam players for some reason or another, because I'm bearing in mind the favorite releases the last two years were both Haqqislamite units (Maghariba Guard and Azrail HMG).

>>52753784
They make a good morale booster. In game it gives +1 WIP to Engineers and the Tech-bee herself, which is useful for repairs, discover rolls, button pushing.

The rules was put into a .pdf in the downloads page, although I forgot which and am not bothered enough to look up.

>>52753903
Yet another instances of UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON ISRAEL??? bait.

>>52754065
>>52754095

It's not my fault, it's just how the default was set in strawpoll. I mean when I created it I just listed the options I remembered off the top of my head alphabetically. I wish I could change it, but oh well.

>>52754075
Use Hasslefree's Archbaron Drumpf model as an HVT when playing USAriadna.

>>52753731
>Ok, so I understand that the KHD is the good option and the AHD is the meh one.
AHD can do more, as KHD is explicitly only useful against enemy hackers while AHD can target enemy Remotes, TAGs and HI as well, BUT both types make your guy a Specialist (Hacker) and KHD is cheaper.
Don't worry if you find this bit confusing, Hacking is "Advanced Rules" for a reason.

What's the best Fireteam: Core for Qapu Khalqi? They all look so good; but I just want something I can bring to form a solid, well, core for my list, decent mix of hard-hitting and specialist models in it. I was thinking Druze or Kaplan, but Janissaries and Sekban look very good too, and I'm just not sure what's best.

>>52754426
Nobody knows.

My personal favorite is Djanbazans+Hafza for reasons that still allude me.

>>52754534
low point cost and smoke shoting?

>>52754552
Point cost really isn't that low, but yes to the smoke shooting because I'd mainly play QK for Yuan Yuan. I think the factor I mostly like is the Doctor with Regeneration.

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The humble stray to my haqqislam army.

>>52755032
Doesn't aren't pre painted models right? Because they look different on the box.

>>52754426
Azrail + 4 hafzas :^)

>>52755059
No, I painted them myself.

>>52755059
I think miniature painting as a hobby might go out of business if they come pre-painted to that standard or higher. X-wing, Wings of Glory, some D&Ds mini get close to very passable, but never like that.

>>52755032
I really like the govad but I'm not a huge fan of the color choice on the janissary. On the govad the subtle green grey and tan work really well but the multiple greens of haqq HI always looked off. Great work with the paint in general, I'm starting haqq myself and that govad really sold me on the normal haqq scheme.

>>52755060
I don't play Haqq but that seemed wrong, now I know thats BS, well done.

Also why are Janissaries costed lower than Mobile Brigada while having better WIP? They have the same stats across the board except for WIP, and Religious is is approximately the same as Courage, yet an HMG Jan is 2 points cheaper than an HMG MB. What gives?

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>>52755486

Thanks, My autism makes it so I usually copy the canon paint jobs, maybe with slight deviations. Looking forward to working on the leather of her jacket. I've been finding haqq in general to be stress free to paint, colours that I like working with.

I also need to finish this mobile brigada too

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>>52752564
The Army that you are looking for is "Steel Phalanx" and they're getting a 300pts box soon.

They all have ODD, wich to your enemies means -6 to all D20s just to hit.

So, that's it, spend 100 bucks on a box and you'll have a ready for tournament army that can give you victory.

>>52755704
>They all have ODD, wich to your enemies means -6 to all D20s just to hit.

Until the enemy's cheap flamethrower units roll up and bad touch your myrmidons right in the pederasty.

>>52755637
It actually was a thing you could do pre-human sphere. Azrails were linkable and 4 hafzas could join a core link. QK got nerfed hard in that book.

>>52755704
ODD only affects BS attacks, which admittedly is a vast majority of face to face rolls.

In regards to that box, Ajax and the Agema don't have ODD as well, but that's 8/10 with it including some major ranged hitters.

Still pretty beatable, but it's one of those noob smasher armies, especially since there is only one specialist in there. Just don't forget to bring your templates and visors.

>>52751489
How much is worth a display quality painted Joan d'Arc? I have mine from the giraldez book but I don't play Panoceania and I don't specially like the model, so I'll just paint it to a high standard and sell it.

>>52756679
Probably worth more (in less effort) to just sell it New in Box. I've seen that go for about $100 on eBay.

>>52756705
Really? Then how does $180-200 sound for a studio level paintjob?

>>52755637
Lots of ideas came to my head:
>CC
Turns out it was the same
>A pistol or CCW
Janissaries have a CCW compared to MB's Knife
>The guns they carry

take the same guns and the Janissary really is just 2 points cheaper, otherwise the AP rifle+LSG Janissary is appropriately 2 points more expensive than the equivalent combi-rifle or 3 points less expensive than the MULTI+LFT.

So my guess is, CB really does just consider Religious Troop that much cheaper than Courage (which for all respects except in retreat, Courage is better), or they made options cheaper to balance out the AP Rifles they have to take.

>>52756754
Doesn't sound unfair if you can legitimately paint like Angel, but also keep in mind that I looked up some prices right now and one of the listings for her NIB is for $40. So my guess would be a price of $120 or somewhat higher painted could probably get sold. But I'm no salesman or connoisseur so I wouldn't have any authority in the matter.

>>52756927
>>52756754
One more thing to keep in mind: Joan is confirmed for getting a new non-exclusive model soon-ish, so you have a window of oppurtunity before the demand for a good looking Joan of Arc model will likely go down as the supply of such comes out

>>52756982
>>52756927
Alright I think I'll be more conservative with the price and try to get rid of her soon, thanks.

>>52755060
There's been a new edition, old man. Time to get out from under that mountain.

>>52755637
Religious actually reduces their points because they can't voluntarily fail guts.

No!

And no TAGs for my sectorial, either, even though an assassin TAG would be the sickest shit. PanO did it first, and we can't be seen copying them!

>>52757400
Meant to respond to >>52757221

>>52757400

You know your sectorial can bring scarface, right.

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Did people forget how to fight Cutters? They've been performing a lot better for most folks I know as of late. Crabbot is a huge help too, making them poopy specialists. And further differentiating them from Swiss Guard.

>>52757577
Yeah but fuck that faggot. Sister's cute though.

>>52757647
Go home, Tracer, you're drunk

>>52757647
Probably. Keep stomping the newbs until they learn their lesson.

>>52756848
>>52757331
>or they made options cheaper to balance out the AP Rifles they have to take

Hmm, I didn't think of it that way and I didnt know Religious actually gave a points reduction. It was weird seeing them side by side like that.

>>52756754
Are you one of the ebay "pro painters" that look like shit? If so, probably just sell it new.

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, so what do you guys use as glue for assembling your miniatures?

I'm just starting in Infinity never having messed with metal minis before.

>>52758668
Super glue. Most hobby shops will carry a few suitable types. I'm partial to the Army Painter glue myself.

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>>52758668
I like this stuff. I buy it from hobbytown.

If I'm feeling fancy sometimes I'll use some poseable clamps and a strong epoxy like JB Weld. The tiny fins and stuff still break though.

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>>52758668
I'm rather fond of pic related, it's never let me down. Picked up at a local hobby shop. But any superglue will do the trick, really, as long as your joint is clean and a good fit.

>>52755102
Ok. Is it hard to get them to look like that? I never painted any stuff before, and I wouldn't want to have an army with models that look shit.

Anyway, I was told to stay away from pan ocenia too, as they don't seem to be winning any tournaments here. So my options are yu jing more or less. Don't like how the army colors look like, but if they do not come pre painted it is less of a problem. The problem I do have with them is that models I was told to get look realy bad and the models that look good, or at least those that I do find nice to look at, are never used. Is there a way to play yu jing without runing those horrible kung chis and celestial guards? I like how zujongs look like and I like the zanshis a lot better then, the ugly celestial guard. But both are never used .

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>>52759130

It could be considered difficult to get them to look like that, I've been painting for 5 years, first warhammer and now infinity. Infinity is harder to paint than warhammer because they are smaller in scale and have more detail. There are lots of simple techniques that you can use to make your models look solid without getting too detailed, especially from a tabletop perspective.

In regards to not liking some of the models, in friendly games I'm sure people would be happy to allow you to proxy.

>>52759130
>Is it hard to get them to look like that?
It takes a lot of practice.

>>52759130
Yes, you can play Yu Jing without Kuang Shi. Zhanshi are perfectly adequate cheerleaders (although Keisotsu are a tad more point efficient do you like their look with Hakama pants? If not you can likely use Zhanshi as Keisotsu without many batting an eye). Zuyong make a top contender for the best Lt option in Yu Jing (with the HMG and automedikit it's got durability and power to stay and use its free order) while the regular Zuyong can be a decent midfield specialist.

I hope you like the look of remotes (the robots) as they're almost essential to Yu Jing for sources of supporting firepower, orders, and board control.

You might like Japanese Units of Yu Jing too, the Haramaki, Raiden, and Domaru are particularly cool heavy armor guys while Ninjas cover the skirmishing and button pushing.

To the other points: Pan Oceania is a solid faction. Has some of the best units in the game that many other factions wish they had (Nisse Snipers, Bagh Mari, Cutters, Guarda De Assaulto, Auxilia (and their damned flamer bots)). They just suffer a small amount from predictable tricks and lower WIP failing to secure an objective on occasion. You're not hurting yourself by fielding them.

>Is it hard to get them to look like that?
For a beginner who hasn't been told a million times the words "thin your paints," "remove the mold line," and "use a wet palette," hasn't practiced and looked through a bunch of tutorials, and doesn't have all the tools and paint colors they didn't even know they needed then yes.

I just now noticed that Azra'il aren't linkable anymore. Is there any point to bring them in QK anymore?

>>52758036
I believe religious is free and courage may or may not cost a point.

The primary difference on the chassis is Cube. That makes a big difference if you want to Ackbar Doctor or D+.

>>52751489
Random Colombian lurker here, are Colombians somehow relevant here?

>>52759685
Corvus Belli is a Chillean company. They are known to take company siestas often which is why Kazaks will never have their own sectoral.

>>52759252
Ok, and I assume there are no pre painted versions or plans for such models in the future?
Sucks to be honest, no one is going to want to spend 200$ on models that will end up looking bad, because they have no skill or maybe are plain bad at painting.

People are against proxy use here. You either need the proper model or you need to sculpt one from scratch, it is probably a left over from how WFB and w40k were played. I know people do not accept proxies in warmachine either.

>>52759475
Let me guess the dude in the starter set does not have a hmg? I would have to buy a separate one along side the starter right?

As pano goes, it is not that am saying they are bad or that they make bad list. It is just that no one won any events with them around here, And if expirianced players cant win with panoceania in our meta, then me I won't be wining either. And I do not have to money to experiment with stuff, as it turned out that local recasters only make terrain for infinity and no models.

>>52759685
Nah, saying CB is from random Spanish-language country is this thread's equivalent of that "Filipino basked-weaving (etc.) board" meme.

>>52759858
>Sucks to be honest, no one is going to want to spend 200$ on models that will end up looking bad, because they have no skill or maybe are plain bad at painting.
If only the metal figurines could be stripped and repainted as needed.

>>52759858
>Let me guess the dude in the starter set does not have a hmg?
The HMG is a blister that was released first
>I would have to buy a separate one along side the starter right?
Literally no one cares what gun your model is actually modeled with as long as you keep it consistent with the game. Even some of the avid hobbiest have trouble keeping track of which guns are what without labels. So, sure, that Multi-Rifle can be an HMG or combi. I bet you 100% of the time you can use small proxies of the guns (especially for unit profiles without actual models). No one's going to care you're using a hacker as a paramedic tiger soldier, or a sniper as a regular combi rifle.

>>52759924
Then you'd have the moron from the previous thread with "aaaa I stripped them 15 times and they still look like shit"

>>52759924
well I get it, but if it takes 5 years to get them look like on the box art, then it is kind of a hard to make someone want to do it. If I start now in 5 years there may not be any infinity left or I may no longer be playing table top games.
Anyway after looking up how much paints for models cost, the problem solved itself.


>>52759985
I actualy did ask about counts as etc at the store and proxy or counts as are not accepted. You either use an offcial model, or if you want to use a model with a load out that doesn't exist you have to resculpt it, although there still have to be parts of the model that were bought at the store. Otherwise you can't play there.

>>52760069
Your store is shit.

>>52760013
What if they do. I mean if someone spend cash on paints, brushs etc and the models still look bad after multiple tries on making them look like good, it would feel worse then buying models that you would never use. Because models you can always try resell, you can't do it with paint.

>>52760069
>well I get it, but if it takes 5 years to get them look like on the box art, then it is kind of a hard to make someone want to do it.
You seem very fixated on the five years part.

The only thing I've ever painted before was some Spess Mahreens and Tau firewarriors back when I was like 14. A decade later and the Infinity figures aren't all that bad. The amount of detail on them pops out if you don't lather them with thick globs of paint and washes go a long ways. Also painting really, really damn slowly helps.

I don't get why people are so scared of the painting part. Throw on some music and it's pretty good times.

What is in the fluff books?

If I wanted get the background story, what would I have to buy?

>>52760121
Then they're a turboautist who can't bear their models looking anything less than what they imagined and who will not realize they're handicapping their painting growth this way.

>>52760069
>that were bought at the store. Otherwise you can't play there.
Which hellpit is that so I can avoid it?

>>52760092
And? I do not have another place to play.
>>52760158
No offense but you say am fixed on 5 years, and your own example is about going 10 years from painting marines to painting infinity models good. In 10 years I may as well be dead considering the state of my health. On how painting itself is done I have no views of my own, as I have never painted. But at my store the divide goes between people that have a ton of points and paint for money, and everyone else who does not paint their models.
I don't know maybe am some painting genius and it would work from first time. Now as far as music goes, I do not see how that could help, music is rather distracting. As either you can't focus while it is on, or you do focus and zone out. And I never seen anyone do anything when they are zoned out.

As for the scared part. If paints costs as much as models, and you know that if your stuff looks bad you will get laughed at then it is better not to paint. If you don't paint the worse you get is people with painted models whine about yours being not painted. But it is them getting angry, much easier then to other people having a laugh at your cost, because you paint bad.

>>52760417
Are you in Bialystok?

>>52760318
Now I may have some problems with personality disorders but am not autistic. I don't even know if someonthing like a turbo autist exists. I also have no idea what is that suppose to do with someone wanting that their models look the proper way and not wanting to waste money and time to make them look bad. You wouldn't want to spend money and time watching movies you do not want to either, just with hope that there is an odd chance you may end up liking it.

>>52760417
Shouldn't your hobby be vodka like everyone else in your made up Eastern Europe land?

>>52760442
I don't know what or where a Bialystok is.

>>52760417
> is about going 10 years from painting marines to painting infinity models good.
I didn't paint at all in that time period. It may as well have been a fresh start.

>>52760477
Its one thing to have those standards for your own models. Its another to demand that of everyone else's models, which is what this anon has to deal with.

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>It's an "Eastern Europe ruins everything with their insane houserules" episode

>>52759858
>Only interested in winning
>Proxies aren't allowed here
>recasting/sculpting from scratch

Which Eastern European country are you from, friend?

>>52760318
I strip models whenever they look like they've fallen too far behind my current best, or when I want to go with a new color scheme.

>>52760069
>>52760417

So what do people do for profiles that dont have models yet? Look at Arianda BlackJack, no model exists at all. So no one uses it? Thats fuckin retarded, especially when you can proxy at official tournaments run by the company that makes the game.

>>52760417
>In 10 years I may as well be dead considering the state of my health.
Who gives a shit? You're not that crippled if you can go out to an LGS and play.

And if you have major health problems, let me tell you, getting invested in metal spacebarbies is not a good thing to do if you wanna go out without regrets, whether it's in 1 year or 60. Get out and do something better with your life.
(because it doesn't get better on the other side)

>>52760589
I am not from eastern europe, I am from Finland.
>>52760622
from what I understand they take the normal version or sculpt the missing parts to make them legal. Models without proper models, no idea, if it is anything like w40k or warmachine, then you can't just use models without any legal model.

>>52760646
it doesn't get better here either. I had 36 years to check. I don't realy go to the store on my own, it is just that my dad and the store owner were in the military at the same time, and I stay at the store when I got out of therapy, before my mom or dad pick me up.

>>52760736
>I am from Finland.
Close enough Spurdo, you've still got a border with Russia.

CYKA BLYAT, CHEEKI BREEKI

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Almost there

>>52761581
Looking pretty close to amazing.

>>52758752
>>52758972
>>52759054

Thanks for responding.

But won't super glues dissolve when I strip the paint off?

I've had a fair bit of experience painting scale model stuff, and very little 1/72 figure experience, but the standard seems to be MUCH higher for wargaming minis. Want to do right by CB's awesome sculpts too.

I fully anticipate having to strip and repaint multiple times, would epoxy be better for that?

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>>52760736
>I am not from eastern europe, I am from Finland.

What the actual fuck did he mean by this?

>>52762425
Depends what you use to strip, but yes it can weaken or remove the superglue bond.

I use easyoff oven cleaner spray to strip my figs. It can break the bond so I always make sure my sink is stopped up when I'm rinsing them, but most of the time they are okay.

>>52762425
>the standard seems to be MUCH higher for wargaming minis
It may seem like it from what's posted here, but really as long as it's not complete garbage most people will appreciate that you bothered to paint them at all.

Giving your minis a really detailed paint job can actually be a bit of a trap, because if you make it too good you won't want to handle them for fear of damaging the paint job. One of the guys I know recommends a matte lacquer to protect the paint when you're done with it.

>>52754025
Haqqislam are quite tolerant as things go. I seem to recall mention of enclaves of Buddhists on Bourak as well.

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>>52762425
Honestly painting isn't too hard. I'm not all that good, but by using some shortcuts and "cheats" I can make my models look good enough for tabletop.

Here's an Orc because I only just purchased some Infinity models, so I haven't painted any yet. Also because I don't feel like digging through my Warmachine Army bag and this guy is just on my desk.

This is about how well I intend to paint most my army. Special units like my Imperial Crane, Hsien Warrior, or that one celestial Guard that I really like the pose of will be painted to a slightly higher quality.

>>52762877
Holy shit that thing is dusty as fuck. I couldn't tell how dusty it was until I posted that picture.

Basically you get a few cans of spray primer in different colors, spray your shit, then paint the major colors. After that you hit any details you want to pop then coat areas with washes.

The wolf pelts were grey with a blue wash, the brown leather was light brown with a dark brown wash, and the red leather was red with the same brown wash or a purple wash. The axe is me experimenting and failing.

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>>52762877
>>52762921

Though more realistically this is how the majority of people will be seeing your minis.

Tabletop Quality checklist
1. Can you make out the individual limbs?
2. Can you make out the weapon?
3. Can you tell it apart from a similar model?
4. Can you distinguish it from the terrain?

If you can answer yes to all 4 of these questions then your model looks fine.

>>52762921
>>52762877
Thanks for the tips, those furs look amazing.

The whole idea of using washes is pretty new to me so I still expect a lot of experimentation, failure, and stripping of paint and would prefer not to have to reassemble tiny bits after each time.

Looking like pinning+epoxy might be better than super glue, anyone have any experience with epoxies? Was thinking JB weld might work good, but was concerned about limited working time. The unused portion likely would store better than 2 part epoxies tho.

>>52763081
Buy some cheap minis or paint your cheerleaders first to practice with washes.

A basic verbal guide is paint your base color then put on enough wash for the entire painted area to have wash over it. There are reasons to use more or less wash, but after a few test minis you should know about how much you need in order to get the desired color.

The fur in the photo is really just one layer of grey paint and about half a layer of light blue wash. It took longer to paint the teeth on his fetishes white than it did to complete the fur.

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>>52763081
If your LGS has Wizkids new mini line then go grab some of them to practice with. They cost like 4 USD for 2-3 minis and come pre-primed. They're great for practicing your skills on.

This is mai waifu Elara from Warmachine. The metalic purple I got from painting her chrome then applying a thin layer of purple wash over her armor. The hair was originally painted an ocean blue, I used a dark blue ink, then I dry brushed the hair with the original blue paint, then I drew in little lines on the standout strands with white paint mixed with the original blue paint.

I fucked up on her fists and the shoulder symbol by failing to adequately thin those paints.

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>>52753178
>Armies that get both Smoke and MSV2 usually can't afford to field more than 1, sometimes 2 MSV2 units. Kill it and the tactic folds. Also most of the time the game is about collecting objectives using Specialists, not killing the other guys.
>can't afford to field more than 1
>Kill it

Do the RPG rules facilitate TAGs and HI/power armor and such? or is it more focused on espionage like some anons have previously said?

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Second arm added, just touch ups to do now.

>>52764173
There are two kind of Power Combat Armor (for Ariadna and normal people). TAGs are mentioned across the book quite a lot, but there are no stats or anything for them.

>>52764227
yo can you hook me up with a step by step on how you do your gun metals

thanks and pleasies

>>52764313
Is there anything like azrail or al fasid armor? and that's a shame with TAGs, since it seems like you can take skills in piloting them.

GROUP 1 7
CRANE IMPERIAL AGENT Lieutenant (X Visor) Spitfire, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 54)
TIGER SOLDIER Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
ZHÀNYING Missile Launcher, Nanopulser, Nimbus Grenades / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 28)
KEISOTSU Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 9)
KEISOTSU Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 9)
KEISOTSU Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 9)
KEISOTSU Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 9)

GROUP 27
ONIWABAN Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (0 | 41)
NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ZHANSHI Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)

4.5 SWC | 299 Points

Derpy list I made using what I currently own (mostly Ice Storm and both sectorial boxes) I also own a Gui Feng Spec Ops who I hear people use as a proxy model?

Unused blisters:
Yan Huo with HMC
Su Jian
O Yoroi and a Guijia Pilot to proxy as the pilot
Zuyong with HMG

>>52764322
Sure thing,

It's mostly GW paints as a heads up if you use others there is a conversion chart online.

1:Base coat mechanicus standard grey.
2:Wash with nuln oil or other black wash.
3:Rehighlight with mechanicus standard grey.
4: higlight with dawnstone keeping in mind how metal shines, leaving some darker area.
5: higlight in the same way but leaving previous colours with adminastratum grey.
6: mix some white in the grey (I use Vallejo) and higlight again.
7:(optional) mix some incubi darkness or other deep blue really thin and wash it here and there on the gun to give some tone.
8: line higlight with pure white.
9: add scratches if desired with pure white.
10: use really thin black to darken areas of you feel there isn't enough contrast.

Done!

Hope that helps.

>>52762526

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Europe

>>52764432
What GW colors are the tan and greens? I use all GW paints myself.

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>>52765076
Tan is karak stone with wash of nuln, the rehiglighted with more white mixed in each progressive layer until I hit pure white.

Light green is the same thing done with straken green nd white.

Bright green is war boss green, nuln, rehoglight mixing in warp stone glow until it's pure warp stone, add some moot green for more tone, final highlights by adding white.

>>52759252
Damn those are sweet, anon.

>>52754053
How do you guys pronounce Wulver? Because surely it must sound different than vulva

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>>52766219
What if it does?

Ugh... getting into USAriadna as my second faction (First was Onyx/CA) and my autism tells me I have to get the limited edition Unknown Ranger with the rifle because that's what I'll be running... where do I buy such a thing? Need to mug some mini hoarders, I suppose...

>>52766324
Why on earth would you prefer rifle UR to Molotok one.

>>52760841
America has a border with Russia does it make them eastern europe too?

>>52766382

Chain of Command, mainly.

>>52766417
Why not use Spec-Ops? It's 5-6 times cheaper.

>>52766397
Russia is to East relative to Europe. USA is to East relative to Russia. Western Europe is to East relative to USA. Western Europe is Eastern Europe.

Is there a 5th model to take for a 5 man Wulver core?

>>52766459
Just wait for a new starter.

>>52766459

Wallace.

>>52766454

Spec Ops isn't allowed in ITS.

>>52766397
No. Because USA is in North America, and borders the Asian part of Russia that nobody cares about. Even that border barely counts since it's tiny and underwater.
Finland is in Europe (specifically a far eastern part of Europe), and borders the European part of Russia.

I don't even think Finland is Eastern Europe since it's full of nords instead of slavs, but your counterpoint is fucking terrible.

>>52766474

I am! Just doing some list building.

>>52766489
Thanks dude!

>>52766536
>I don't even think Finland is Eastern Europe since it's full of nords instead of slavs
In that case Western Europe is Middle East.

>>52766601
>>52766536
Americans and their geo skills. Finland always was Northern Europe.

>>52766489
>Spec Ops isn't allowed in ITS.

Pretty sure he meant buy the spec ops model and use it as a proxy. The spec ops models are used as a kind of "universal proxy."

>>52759545
is there any point to QK anymore?

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>>52766979
Yuan Yuans.

>>52766979
Yes. It has a bunch of great links, most of which can take cheap filler that disguises itself as normal units. Also >>52767017

I thought that the "boo hoo QK is merely high tier now rather than ridiculous op faction" thing died down after people realised it was completely retarded bitching about nothing. I guess not.

>>52766943
He can use a Molotok Unknown Ranger as well. Since it's not possible to buy a limited edition version, ITS allows you to use any model as a stand-in.

>>52766459
There's one in current starter and there will be one in new one

>>52760736
I guess all those "lack of sun in the winter fucks up your head stories" have some merit after all.

Come to hue land and bang some hot chicks and all that depression will go away.

You'll probably die in a mugging and importing infinity is a bitch down here but life is made of compromises desu.

I bought an airbrush and compressor kit. I spent less than $300 for an Iwata Revolution gravity feed, a compressor w/ tank, regulator, moisture trap, hose, and a brush holder that clamps to my table. I played around with it for about 20 minutes last night to practice the process of mixing paint, see how the spray comes out, and clean the brush a couple times.

I can't really dig in hard yet because I am waiting for my respirator to show up in the mail. I don't want to paint the inside of my lungs, but I am hooked. That shit's fun as fuck. The airbrush lays on a perfectly even and thin coat of paint effortlessly. It's fucking magical.

Idk why people complain about the cleaning process, either. They must be lazy fuckers.

>>52767084

Speaking as >>52759545 's poster, I still like QK and think they're a great sectorial; my question was specifically if Azra'il are still worth bringing or not. Sure, they're a good, tough weapons platform, but they have no specialist options, no special rules, and aren't even linkable in a Duo anymore; you're paying a heavy cost for a tough dude with an accurate AP HMG or fueurbach. I guess as a rambo option? But it only has 4-2 mov...

>>52768016
Eh, the AP HMG can engage heavy targets well and the Azra'il is cheap for what it is, so if I had a short range link like Sekban I'd consider it for clearing out long range threats. Being able to kill big things at range is always nice.

>>52768016
I don't see a scenario where an AP HMG on a HI body for 41/2 is not good, especially when you consider that AP HMG is the most destructive high-burst/range weapon in the sectorial by a fairly wide margin.

>>52768149
>>52768238

Mm, I guess that's true. I suppose I personally just get overwhelmed by all the Link team options and keep wanting to bring a list that has a core *and* a duo *and* a hairs becuase link teams, I suppose.

>>52768016
Considering that the second skill in a order would almost always be "shoot that motherfucker over there" the shitty second move won't hurt thay much.

Then you plop it on the middle of the board and put it on suppression fire.

>>52768016
I like the Feurbach as a ARO platform.

>>52768238
Some people can't see the wood for the trees.
Azrail does it's job nicely.

>>52768494
Agreed, 4-4 is hardly necessary in this case.

>>52769078
Especially since QK has some great aggressive options, including YY, the most cost effective AD troop in the game.

>>52766979
I really don't think so. They're extremely underwhelming now and they cut themselves off from some of haqqs best options. Yuan yuans and mediocre links don't make up for missing on haqqs best strengths.

>>52769369
They have different strengths.

Heck, AVA 2 TR bots is good enough to justify losing a one trick pony like Fidays by themselves.

>>52769464
Fidays AND Mutts

And fidays have a way to fuck with your opponent's head that make them an auto include.

and if you don't have a weak spot on the enemy DZ to deploy him. Put him on the middle of the board to scare his specialists.

Hello.

>>52767501
Would be tough to do,flights to san paulo cost around 800 euro. Plus I would have to get a permit and stock up on drugs, and fly with one of my parents.

I always wanted to go Italy or Greece.

>>52769464
Many lists don't even take one, this has to be a joke.

>>52770060
Hello anon

>>52760736
>if it is anything like w40k or warmachine
Here's the confusion. Infinity is nothing like those games. Stop trying to compare them.

>>52763899
MARUT-sepai! I've missed you!

>>52764173
>>52764313
>>52764350
TAGs are a separate splat book, going by the kickstarter, I think it's the last one on their list.

>>52770060
Hi ghost.

>>52763899
Hence "usually".

So a friend of mine wants to play a thosuand point game of Infinity, because that's the point value that lets you have enough SWC to field the max AVA of every TAG in PanO.

I play Ariadna (vanilla) or Haqq (QK), proxies allowed.

Should I just drown him in bodies or is this a stupid idea from the start?

>>52770353
Why wouldn't you use them as a guide for a store's policies regarding miniature games.

>>52763032
Yes.

This exactly.

We're painting gamepieces, not masterpieces.

>>52771115
It's a stupid idea from the start.

>>52771115
Stupid and fun are not mutually exclusive.

>>52771281
Because they are totally different games in terms of models and packaging.

40k you have an ample bit market. Want 10 missile launchers? Just buy or beg for them.

Warmachine doesn't have loadouts. You normally have a basic soldier, a unit attachment (special weapon) and a command unit. Simply buy one of each box and you are done.

Infinity has 2 problems:

1) unreleased models
2) Models that are holding a sword/dildo and represent a boarding shotgun/spitfire.

>>52751489
STOP. Go back a frame.

Jesus Christ that's Edward Snowden!

>>52771873
>Models that are holding a sword/dildo and represent a boarding shotgun/spitfire.

How is that bad?

>>52771722

That's entirely fair. Here's the vanilla Ariadna list I'm thinking of bringing. No idea what he'll have other than 'max ava of tags'.

Ariadna
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1 10
TANKHUNTER Portable Autocannon, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) x3
ALIVE Anti-establishment Group . (1 | 50)
DOZER (Traktor Mul Control Device) Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
TRAKTOR MUL (Total Reaction) Uragan MRL / Electric Pulse. (1 | 18)
TRAKTOR MUL Katyusha MRL / Electric Pulse. (1 | 11)
COLONEL VORONIN Lieutenant Rifle / Assault Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 21)

GROUP 2 9 / 1 / 1
SCOUT AP Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 29) x3
CHASSEUR Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19) x2
EQUIPE MIRAGE-5 . (2 | 69)
BLACKJACK AP HMG, Chest Mines, D.E.P. / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 36)
VETERAN KAZAK AP HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 47) x2

GROUP 3 10
CALEDONIAN MORMAER (X Visor) T2 Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33) x2
HIGHLANDER GREY T2 Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 33) x2
MINUTEMAN (Marksmanship L1, X-Visor) AP Rifle, 2 Light Flamethrowers / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29) x3
MOBLOT (Infiltration) AP Rifle, Light Shotgun, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29) x3

GROUP 4 9
LOUP-GAROU Boarding Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18) x2
ISOBEL McGREGOR Rifle, Flash Pulse, D-Charges, E/Mauler / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23)
MARAUDER Rifle, Heavy Flamethrower / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21) x3
GRUNT Heavy Flamethrower, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) x2
112 Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 12)

20 SWC | 1000 Points

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>>52771281
Infinity simply put has a completely different business model.
Instead of making big releases for one faction every month, they release one thing for five. So instead of having everything for YJ dropped in January and everyone else having to wait their turn, instead they revamped YJ by releasing a new thing for them every month in 2016, while other factions got their releases normally. This means that most of the playerbase gets something every month, but you're drip fed your goodies. Pic related.

There's more than a few profiles that do not have any models. Currently there's no models for Locust, Black Jack, Securitate or Shikami, among others. Some units have multiple profiles, but not that many models, like Zhanying or Grenzer (literally only one model for either). Then there's units that have multiple profiles and models, but often one or two are missing (e.g. there's very few basic Light Infantry models with Light Grenade Launchers or Medikits, despite nearly every one of them being able to take LGL or Paramedic profile).

Lastly there's the few odd models that don't have proper equipment modeled. E.g. neither Fusiliers nor Algauciles have knives. Chimera has a pistol and no Combi Rifle, despite her profile saying the opposite. Icestorm Father-Knight has literally no ballistic weapons on his model. Corregidor starter Hellcat has a Light Shotgun on her Combi, but that profile has been removed etc.

What this means is that store policy enforcing WYSIWYG is against Corvus Belli policy, as they explicitly allow proxies, especially if no models exist. They even made a special line (Spec-Ops) to be used as universal proxies.

>>52772257
The Djanbazan have a really nice aesthetic to them.

Oniwaban has a boarding shotgun, but is modeled with just a sword.

There is no Crane Rank with a Multi Rifle unless you go and buy the old one (thankfully it looks decent)

The new Celestial guard models have only combi rifles. No Boarding shotguns, Kuang Shi Control devices, or anything else.

Either proxy or find something else.

For example the Wu Ming with HRL is probably better than a Zuyong with HRL in many situations because it's cheaper and carries a light shotgun

>>52773027
I wish people would fight shitty painted/unpainted models as hard as some of them fight proxies.

>>52772991
A lot of people hated it. I was personally iffy on it, but they've grown on me due to their game mechanics.

>>52773109
Speaking of. Can I proxy the Red veil Ninja model for a ninja with Killer hacking device? She looks way better than any of the old ninjas.

I ask because their is already a legal model for said Hacker Ninja out.

>>52773264
>Can I proxy the Red veil Ninja model for a ninja with Killer hacking device?
Yes, Bostria himself did it.

>>52773382

Ok awesome. I am pleased by this and thank you for letting me know.

Now to just hope they release new Daofei models in 2017 because the old ones are ass. I don't mind proxying or using old models if I have to for competition, but I would prefer to have models that look amazing as the new Hac Tao or Imperial Crane.

>>52767096

I'm trying to track one down on the interwebz somewhere. I *could* use a spec ops as a proxy... but like I said, my autism demands I represent everything I can.

>>52773425
If I recall something said on the forums by Bostria correctly, don't hold your hopes up as there are no plans to resculpt the Daofei right now.

I personally just use the OOP Multi-Rifle Invincible chick as she has no place for a model these days.

>>52773590
" Hi.

No Daofei re-scultp redesign happening any soon.

Have a nice day. "
Posted January 2016

Based on that response they didn't have plans then, but that was a year ago. Who knows what we'll see this year.

>>52773590
>no plans to resculpt the Daofei
They could, however, make a spitfire model for the new loadout.

>>52773691
And sculpt it only carrying his Shock CCW so that you can say the Daofei is any loadout.

>>52773747
Hey, best of both worlds. Although I'm partial to the gun being slung on the back like with the Hac Tao Hacker.
>>52773634
I guess that can be considered quite the while ago, but there hasn't been any sign to the contrary. Remember how "soon" HSN3 came by?

>>52773789
No idea, I bought my first minis like 3 weeks ago.

I'm about to start Imperial Service as my first sectorial, is a 4 Celestial Guard + Crane Rank link team good?

My thought is Multi-rifle Crane, Hacker, LGL, Kuang Shi controller, and FO. Seems like it'll be great at bullying the midfield.

Also thinking of going all in on that AVA3 on TR remotes, that seems like it would be a colossal pain in the dick to deal with.

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>>52773590
New Daofei happening at Gencon this year, mark my words.

What nick names do you give Ghazi Muttawi'ah besides "fuck those guys"

>>52774364
Sure. It'll TOTALLY be the one Daofei sculpt a small minority ask for instead of, say, the Nexus and second line of Spec-Ops models that they've confirmed to be happening.

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>>52774356
Those are fine miniatures but they will not give you victory.

The prvileges of the Imperial Service are:
1.- Kuang Shis- They provide CHEAP regular orders to your army.
2.- Su-Jian- As a fireteam Duo they will bring death to your enemy.
3.- Garuda Tacbots- People usually forget about this guy, but is cheap, fast and demolishing.
4.-Sophotects- Best Specialist troop you can have.

>>52773027
>The new Celestial guard models have only combi rifles.
Well the old SWC box didn't suddenly stop existing. The only CG configurations without an currently available model are the boarding shotgun and LGL.

>>52774356

I see the Kuang Shi link run very frequently as well.

3 TR bots is definitely something you can do... but with anything in Infinity, there are diminishing returns. The trick with list building in this game is it is more about the mission than anything else. It's hard to just make a 'list.' Much better to make a list for 'tournament with these three scenarios.'

>>52774463
The Boarding Shotgun is the best profile, since that's what the FO has.

>>52774418
I didn't realize a small minority of players wanted a modern Daofei miniature instead of the garbage we have now.

>>52774356
Sounds like a good start. You'll probably want to work in a ninja KHD and other remotes as you build up.

>>52774463
Old box has crap looking models.

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My local shop is running an escalation league and the first 2 weeks are 150/200 pt annihilation with spec-ops allowed and gaining xp after we hit 300 pts. How does this list look? The spec-ops is a hafza so will disguise as a doc/engi/hacker to not reveal it's an HMG+mimetism.

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>>52774538
Disagree. The CG Hacker for example is an excellent miniature, better than the CGs from new starter pack.

>>52774942
I actually think the old CGs look fine. I'm just scared to buy them because I know as soon as I do, the new ones will come out the following month.

>>52774958
Sounds logic.

>>52772248
This is not a fun list. This is not a fun *idea*. You and your friend are making huge mistakes.

>>52771115
Pretty sure Infinity at that point scale is a mistake and shouldn't happen.

>>52775178
I think if it was like 10 tags vs 10 tags or something it could work. even 20vs20 really expensive models for shits and giggles, but with the huge model count the rules just break down since it would just exponentially increase the interactions.

>>52775207
Yeah my thoughts too. If someone has 40 regulars orders at their disposal, the balance between 1st and 2nd turn will probably just break down. Docking 2 orders with a command token basically doesn't do anything. The other player has a ton of points for ARO pieces, but I feel deploying defensively against a 300 point list and a 1000 point list are just two completely different scenarios. At some point you could probably learn how to deploy all your Autocannon tankmen, T2 snipers, and whatever else in a way which 40 orders wouldn't immediately cripple you, but it would require a lot of practice in a format that takes absurdly long to play out. It's just not worth it, overall.

>>52774392>>
They sure are ridiculous at that point cost.

My friends piss their pants when they reach the middle of the board.

>>52775544
Yeah a 1000 point game is when you jokingly make a list with nothing under 50 points and take max TAGs

>>52775604

Well, as I said, that's what my friend's doing. I could TRY with vanilla ariadna, I suppose, but... maybe I should look at QK for this instead? I prefer to play Ariadna but...

>>52772150
It isn't bad. But if people get autistic about WYSIWYG like they do in 40k it becomes a problem, as you now can't use that model for any of the unit's profiles.

This is why proxying is allowed in Infinity, and in some cases explicitly supported by Corvus Belli themselves. The game would be borderline unplayable otherwise.

>>52775735
I think the first thing you need to do is think of a scenario to start. Potentially make the sides imbalanced and have the TAGs attacking some fortified position or something.

Honestly even just 3 300 point lists would cripple 1k points of TAGs no problem. Just drop a few repeaters through pitchers then bam TAGs can't move without taking 6 hackers to the face.

>>52775941

If a mini that can faithfully represent the model's armament exists, you have to use it. Otherwise anything of the same base size is a-ok, as long as it isn't another company's minis in an official tournament. It works out pretty well. I'm one of those uptight people who wants everything to be exactly what it has, but a lot of my opponents don't worry about it so much and it works out.

>>52776660
In my FLGS as long as base size matches and you specify (and it's not insanely outlandish) it's allowed

I have seen jaguars for morlocks, cordelia for lupe, a regular dog warrior for McMurder, iguana for Lizard, Achilles 2 for Achilles 1, Musashi for Shikami, hunzakuts for chasseurs, shaolin for kuang shi, cross-faction remotes etc

I have even seen (the most outlandish one) myrmidons for hungries

We have a couple of anal retentives but for the most part we're cool with it, it's just a game

>>52777020

Yeah, I don't worry about what my opponent is doing as long as the base is the right size and they're clear about what's what. But I'm the dude who actually bought 6 drone remotes for onyx so I can have them all WYSIWYG without pinning.

Plus I run 5 of them sometimes.

>>52773027
Zuyong has ML, not HRL. Totally different gun.

>>52777020
My group is mostly the same, as long as proxies are relatively consistant I don't mind. I occasionally ask people to use a different proxy for clarity (like I ask that they use HI for HI LI for LI ect.) but for a long time my only games used 90% proxies so I got really used to it.

>>52777302

I do draw the line at using square-based minis as proxies though. One of the players in my extended playgroup always tries to pull that shit and I have to lay my foot down.

>>52777059
Yup. I don't worry about what you do, but I enjoy modeling wysiwyg because it gives me an excuse to convert the models. I actually magnetized all of my PanO dronbots to swap loadouts and am working on a magnetic implant in my (S)MRRF Dozer so that I can swap between loadouts as needed. It's probably too much effort, but I like playing with tiny magnets.

>>52777059
I'm actually making bases with the remote type specified, I just need to find a way to magnetize those tiny nomad remote spider legs so I can change the base as needed

>>52757647
Is that your stuff? If so what's the source on the Tracer if it's custom what did you start with? I have a friend who mains Tracer and runs Pano exclusively so it would be a neat gift/project.

>>52777881
It's Miranda Ashcroft with a greenstuffed head, the chest thingy, and cut-down aleph guns. Everything else is the same as the Miranda model.

>>52772991
The old Djanbazan were "old Warzone" gross. The new sculpts are much better.

>>52772991
>>52773174
I really dislike the models, it makes no sense how they have MSV2. The model/fluff/rules disconnect bother me a lot with units like that.

>>52778637
It's in the Doctor's glasses, and the rest of their helmets. What's not to get?

Not that I don't disagree, I think they're ugly-ish.

>>52778650
I hope that's ironic since there is literally nothing covering half the models eyes. Most other MSV units have some set of different helmets or something. Hell Nafftun look more like MSV units than these.

Locally I'm going to be using an hmg govad as the hmg version and a zheyadin as the rifle version, since those models are actually pretty awesome.

I think the proportions on them bother me a bit too, although it kinda makes sense since they are arm3, but the ariadne units (like the new ohio guys) pull off the hardhats much better.

>>52778735
Well since Djanbazans are literal tube baby super soldiers, you could always fluff it away with them having weird alien spliced gene modified eyes with grown in MSV.

>>52778547
Thanks, never actually looked at the new Miranda Ashcroft sculpt pretty spot on model to start a tracer conversion.

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>>52778735
>Very Thick Glasses
>Full Helmet with full Faceplate
>Helmet and hacking visor
>Full helmet with full faceplate

All the eyes covered, I'm not sure what models you're looking at, but these aren't it.

>>52779325
Zooming it it doesnt look like the 2nd and 4th models have visors, just respirators. If it's actually just a mask and I'm seeing it wrong then sorry for being autistic

>>52779612
It's a full mask. The mask design for the HMG and marksman is basically the same as the old ones.

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>>52779325
Behold the mighty dossier which reveals the truth: It's a full plated mask, in a brown color.

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Took a break from the govad to start this guy.

>>52781002
Looks good so far.
I use these guys as replacements for the shitty new Djanbazan.

>>52781002
>play PanO
>is mad jelly of sexy sexy naffatun

Fuck it, im buying em and running them in my PanO.

Whats a good role for them to fill, Bolts?

>>52782520
Unless you're playing NCA never use Bolts. Besides, they look good in their own right.

Maybe use them as Auxilia, those are good units with hideous models.

>>52779783
Nothing to particularly set them out as MSV2, though.

among other things with the resculpt, I'm disappointed they didn't give them some kind of fancy tech to point it out

I bought the myrmidon box, myrmidon officer and two myrmidon with spitfire to start my first Infinity army. And now am having some problems with assemblying the models. The arms and the weapons seem to be impossible to line up correctly on all models that have a dual grip on the guns. And on the models that do not their arms close to the body, it is impossible to glue stuff without either being glued to the model yourself or with it falling off.

My second question is what should I buy next. Right now I have only 7 models and the minimum for an army seems to be something around 12. Should I get more myrmidons with spitfires or should I get something else. I would rather stay away from high cost models like achiles or hector. I know they are good, but they cost too much for me right now. I was thinking about a naga mine layer or the spec ops model to run as proxy with a spitfire or a hacker proxy.

>>52783586

Haven't assembled those models, but have you filed them well, removing mold lines and so on? On some of them, the mold lines are in the joins and then it fucks up the assembly unless you take care of it.

For models holding a gun in front of them, I usually glue both arms on at the same time; dab some glue on the shoulder joins, and possible on the wrist, then put them all on at the same time. That way you avoid the situation of realizing you need to adjust the first arm you put on, pulling it off and reattaching.

The problem with Nagas is they are not Steel Phalanx, so you're not getting your mileage out of them in terms of fitting the sectorial theme. DESU I'd suggest the Steel Phalanx starter, it has Thorakitai and a Myrmidon hacker which is a pretty decent specialist. You're going to want some upfield specialists, I think in Steel Phalanx you're limited to Ekdromoi and Thrasymedes, both have their uses.

Rebots are always useful. Honestly with everything I've said getting a box of Rebots is probably your most broadly useful choice, though you'll need a hacker of some sort.

>>52783642
I left the socket spines and cleaned the sockets. Washed the models in soap water, then took them under runing water and then dried them off.

How does one glue two hands and a weapon while holding a model? I maybe missing something as I never glued any models before, but right now it seems like you either need more fingers then 10 or a third hand.


Anything else other then the starter box? I have been told to avoid it, because most models in it are never used.
Shame about the naga. would the proxy be better, they seem to have realy cheap spitfire and hacker options. I think there is also a medic one too, and I think just like hackers medics are specialists too. Maybe ill just buy a second officer or a third spitfire. This would give me 4 spitfires in 8 models.

>>52782520
>Fuck it, im buying em and running them in my PanO.
Islamic infiltration of PanO has begun!

>>52783800

Have you tried making a list in Infinity Army? Spitfires cost SWC, and you only get 1 SWC per 50 army points. They're great, but you can't just spam them incessantly. One of the other things about Infinity is that there tend to be diminishing returns on models; it's not uncommon to see lists that don't have two of the same model with the same loadout. So don't go buying duplicates unless you actually have to.

The models in the starter are definitely useful, except perhaps Eudoros; the Myrmidon hacker is a useful specialist and those are the only Thorakitai besides their character. If you want long-range firepower Myrmidons can't really do the job; also ARM 3 makes them durable in a different way than Myrmidons with their ODD.

Typically the way I do the arms is I put glue in the joins, then hold the shoulders against the torso with the thumb and index finger of one hand while the other hand adjusts the arms to line up properly. Once I have done so I hold for 60 seconds and it'll usually hold.

Proxies are not Steel Phalanx either, go to army.infinitythegame.com You're going to want to decide whether you want to focus on collecting vanilla Aleph or Steel Phalanx, and if it's the latter you get neato fireteams of myrmidons, dactyls, and thorakitai but have more limited options.

>>52783586
Nagas and Posthumans aren't in Steel Phalanx.

You need some characters, they're an important part of SP since they let you make your special link teams. I'd take Phoenix and/or Machaon to start with. Phoenix has a long range gun and Machaon is a doctor, they add lots of utility to a Myrmidon link.

Thrasymedes is a fantastic specialist unit, but he unfortunately is only found in a box with a Nomad troop. Perhaps see if there's any local Nomad players who would be willing to split with you.

Oh, and spamming identical spitfires is not a good tactic. You don't need any more than you have, they're best used as an active turn weapon so there's a lot of diminishing returns taking multiple of them.

>>52783901
Yes. I clicked alpeh. And tried to build an army as close to 250pts as possible. Right now am at 173pts, I just need stuff to buff myself to 250pts.


>>52783927
Ok, how important are the characters. Most of them seem to cost a lot more then normal dudes. I was thinking to form the links by taking the myrmidon officer as my leader. Or do I actualy need 1 officer per each link, because that would be kind of a costly money wise?

The only dude that does buy stuff to resell it sells it at a higher price, so I don't think a going to getting that tarysmedes anytime soon. I could ask how much he wants for one though, no pain in that.

And if spitfires are bad, then the store owner kind of a cheated me. He said they are very good, and I took 3 of them. 2 for normal myrmidons and one for the officer. If multiple spitfires are bad, then what does aleph use for long range other then the characters. It seems like everything weapon their have is short to medium range.

>>52784057
Click Steel Phalanx instead of ALEPH. Each SP link needs an officer, it's a special Steel Phalanx rule. Spitfires are great, but it's good to have something longer ranged too, like a Sniper or Missile Launcher, as Spitfire troops are easy to outrange in the reactive turn.

>>52784057

Spitfires *are* good, but spamming them is not particularly useful; if the store owner said you should, he didn't know what he was talking about.

For long range, Aleph's got a few options... Thorakitai have access to HMGs and Feuerbachs, Agemas are the 'long range' unit with Predator vision and sweet guns. There's a Rebot with an HMG. Phoenix is a special character who can sub into Myrmidon fireteams who has a heavy rocket launcher.

A few more notes... if you live in North America or Europe you shouldn't be dealing with people who resell stuff for more, buy it online instead if people try to pull that shit.

You also can't use fireteams in vanilla Aleph, only in Steel Phalanx (and the sectorial armies of other factions, as well as vanilla Tohaa). I'd suggest reading the rules a bit more in depth; they're available for free on the infinity site.

>>52784057
The characters are very good, they add a lot of unique capabilities to links. You need one per link, but officer counts as one so you basically have one already. Usually 2 links is best, it gives you the advantages of links while still being able to take other solo units.

Spitfires are great guns, they just suffer from diminishing returns when you take a bunch. 2 Myrmidon spitfires is fine, it lets you spread them out to different links. Officers can't take spitfires so there may be some confusion there.

Thorakitai and Agema have long range guns, but Aleph and especially Steel Phalanx likes short range. Phoenix is the only way Myrmidon links get really good long range firepower (spitfires are more mid range), that's why he's so valuable.

>>52782620
Their full-faced helmet has three dots of glowing eyes in the forehead and eye visor to the mask, which i think its kinda glows too, iron man style.

>>52783860
It already done several times....

What? do you think that cute girl sitting besides you is a good, law obedient citizents? Think again brother!

there's also chances that she's actualy a male

>>52784223
Thing is those sorts of helmet lights are present on a shit ton of haqq infantry without visors.

I like the default haqq mask, just seems a wasted opportunity to distinguish them a bit. Don't even mind the bomb-defusal vests, though the doctor's goofy bare head can go fuck itself.

>>52784144
>>52784164
Ah ok. I'll talk with the store owner then. Aside for the officer blister and the myrmidon box, everything else is still in their blisters. Maybe he takes returns. And I'll get phoenix for one link and the officer for the other. Should I make the officer myrmidon lieutenant or should the phoenix be one? If I make the phoenix the leader, I could make the officer run around as his second in command.

>>52784334
Phoenix as LT is a better option. Chain of command is the best thing about the officer, being able to operate normally when the original LT is dead is fantastic.

>>52784334
Between Phoenix and the generic officer. Phoenix is better. But Phoenix will be constantly engaging in shootouts, so the CoC Officer will be very handy to have. If you're playing low-points games, the Officer LT is worth considering since she's one of the cheaper LT options.

But IMO Machaon and Hector are the best SP Lts overall.

>>52784263
Brown qt is brown qt. I still can't decide if I prefer the LGL or sniper Hunzaqt.
the answer is both

>>52784649
Hector in a thorakitai link (w/ parametric, engineer, and my rocket proxying as a feurbach) has gotten some serious work done for me.

>>52784962
>my rocket
Lt rocket

>>52784962
I used to run Hector with 2 Dactyl Docs and Acmon. But I run a similar team now: Hector+Thorakitai Engineer, FO, and FO/LRL - with a Dactyl Doc nearby.

Do you think deployable turrets have a place in infinity?

Something static that you build in a long order that does ARO duty is what I'm thinking of.

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Recently finished my tech-bee

>>52755032
>>52755693
>>52759252
>>52761581
>>52764227
>>52765142
>>52781002
Your miniatures are gorgeously painted!

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>>52783586
>>52783642
>>52783800
>>52783901

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>>52785837
>>52785847
I don't even have a third hand and don't have problems because I take it slow and enjoy the process. Assembling models is my favorite part of the hobby desu.

>>52785481
Sounds annoying to deal with and unexciting to play as.

>>52785488
Thanks chief, really like the face on your tech bee!

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>>52785481
Something like a FastPanda or Drop Bear, but instead of repeater coverage or exploding in your face it shoots in ARO?
Could work. Give it TR and Combi Rifle, maybe 360 if you're generous, does not generate orders, possibly dissolves next round if not shot earlier. I could see it working as a Nomad unit, as board control is their thing.

>>52785488
Her lips could us a red lipstick look for extra overt sexyness, RJ.

>>52787465
I wouldn't go so far as to make it TR. I was thinking something weak, like a B1 Combi with damage 13.

>>52783860
The one benefit of having the most generic looking, but well sculpted, troops in the game. the models find themselves used in many other factions.

>>52789518
I know. Mine have already infiltrated French Ariadna (they make great extras for Chasseurs and Metros). They fit so well that I'm not sure it's not intended political commentary :^)

>>52788035
>red lipstick
Pleb-tier taste detected.

>>52789926
To fit the look of the pleb-tier taste model with a pin-up girl aesthetic. I personally don't like the look of lipstick on most women.

Haven't played for a while. Is camospam still the tournament thing? How'd such a list do?

Group 1:
Spetsnaz HMG
Foxtrot FO
Foxtrot FO
Foxtrot FO
Line Kazak rifle LT
Line Kazak rifle
Metro rifle
Irmandinho chain
Galwegian chain
Dog-Warrior

Group 2:
Spetsnaz HMG
Spec-Ops (Line Kazak, doctor, hacker, inferior combat jump, chain rifle)
Chasseur FO
Chasseur FO
Volunteer chain
Volunteer chain
Irmandinho chain
Galwegian chain
Antipode pack

Group 3:
Warcor

>>52790295
Camospam isn't as much of a thing anymore due to a few changes for TAGs and other elite units, coupled the waxing and waning popularity (of the Limited Insertion (one combat group) format.

You'll likely find some decent success with that kind of list though.

>>52790295
I would go with autocannon tankhunters instead of the spetnasz hmg, but this might be personal choice. but forcing three armour saves per hit is a thing.

>>52785837
I have the one at the bottom, what are the others for and do I realy need them?

>>52781002
I was thinking about buying these guys to use as stand ins for wildcats, after some heavy conversion. They look like arm 3. Can you tell me: are the heads separate form the torsos like most boxes?

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>>52791483
The heads are seperate from the torso!

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Anyone field Knauf yet?

>>52790536
Hmm. I like the ambush camo, but your way is less disgustingly spammy, gives me an option to use the iconic model and I'll have another options in case I run into TAGs. Thanks.

What's the best warband in your opinion?

>>52796670

Galwegians.

>>52796670
Ghazi Muttawi'ah

The amount of shit they get for 5 points is mind-blowing.

>>52796724
LI, not Warbands. Disqualified.

>>52796688
Worthy choice

>>52796670
Makauls. Regular linkable eclipse grenades with good CC skills and flamethrowers, what's not to like?

>>52796670

God, so many choices. Gonna be honest, though, it's a split for me between Irmadinhos and the Antipode Assualt Pack, I think.

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>>52796670
I don't even play Ariadna but Irmadinhos seem like the overall best for versatility. General Chain Rifle/Smoke Grenades/Impetuous is already great, but then they've also got Engineer/D-Charges that allow them to do objective based things. If that wasn't enough, they also get random shit on Booty Lvl 1 and can loot peoples guns if they're still alive in the late game. They seem really awesome for 8 points, their only flaw is shitty models. I would consider finding some proxy for them because they're really old.

How is a Keisotsu link team?

How do holo projector l2s work? Can you change which model is the real one when activate it again?

>>52799402
Cheap as fucking balls. Give it two missiles launchers if you have SWC to spare for a budget order wasting defense team. You can also put Kempeitai and Yoriko in it to make it a super cheap active turn link.

>>52799433
Good shit.

I bought Red Veil, Jap box, and ISS box. Determining whether to buy a mix and then extend into a sectorial later or if I want to just keep playing the center.

>>52799460
Vanilla Yu Jing is super solid, you can basically do anything in it. Both the sectorials are pretty robust too, especially after HSN3 buffed ISS a lot.

>>52799483
Is the Pheasant Rank really that bad? He's a really good looking model so I want to make use of him. If he is that bad then I'm just gonna paint him real nice and put him on my desk at work.

>>52799598
The Pheasant was hot garbage in the previous edition. Now it's expensive but functional as a Chain of Command model with decent all around stats. I don't see myself ever using MSR variant, but the other loadouts have their uses.

>>52799598
He was awful until HSN3. Hacker and sniper are still dogshit, but the other profiles are solid, especially in a duo or a haris team. My personal favourite composition is Red Fury+MadTraps+Bao shotgun in a haris. They make mean doorkickers and can hold their ground against all kinds of foes at short range.

>>52785488
Literally shaking that such massive perverts play this

>>52800304
>Literally shaking
>>>/tumblr/

New thread please and don't forget to update OP with the fluff wiki link.