/srg/ - Shadowrun General

Working on a setting with Cyberpunk ideas in an Ancient Egypt setting on a parallel thread:>>52736110

And now I want to test the setting. So dear /srg/ could you suggest a system and a one shot for said system that could be easily reskinned?

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>>52750674
Shadowrun's too deeply embedded in its own setting to be of much use; Blades in the Dark is a pretty adaptable set of mechanics, I'd try that. There's a Shadowrun hack of it that you could lift some ideas from as well.
>>52750528
Last character I played was a technomancer street kid who lived in the top of a broadcast tower. Concept was essentially Quasimodo up in a bell-tower.

>>52751116
The OP question was more referring to the city you live in, but whatever

>>52750528
Currently living in the sub-basement below a bar in the slums of Miami. I get free drinks at the bar by assensing people who come in to check for troublemakers.

>>52751116
How did playing a technomancer go?

>>52751116
>Last character I played was a technomancer
normal or EotM?

>>52751116
>Blades in the Dark is a pretty adaptable set of mechanics

If you want to run a heist game with broad character archetypes, it's great. Unless this guy wants to play Imhotep's Eleven, it's not a good choice.

>>52751715
>Unless this guy wants to play Imhotep's Eleven, it's not a good choice.
>Not wanting to play Imhotep's Eleven
Plebian of the highest level

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>>52751759
I didn't say that, but anon gave no indication it that thread what kind of game he wants (the biggest mistake a wannabe game designer can make) and BitD does one very specific thing. It's a terrible suggestion for a generic system to use for the setting, unless he wants to build the whole game around heists.

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>>52751624
Normal, my normal group is on hiatus for reasons and I don't know anyone else aside from myself and a couple of people on here that runs EotM in 5e.
>>52751559
Technomancy was more of a way to get at some gimmicks for the character without relying on wizard bullshit; it wasn't bad, but it helped a lot that the GM was on board with the concept and I wasn't expecting to get long-term viability out of the character. If it was a long-term character I'd probably have gone the more traditional route and disliked it intensely, but hey, maybe the technomancer book will come out and be good.
>>52751908
Honestly if the guy's taking cyberpunk's high tech/low life aesthetic, stapling it into another setting and then using that setting for standard D&D adventures or somesuch, he deserves whatever he gets. That said, provided you're prepared to work within the framework of completing a 'job', you can do almost anything. Hell, I've seen it used to run a pre-historic one-shot where the players hunted down a mammoth.

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>>52752211
A one-shot of BitD is missing half the game, famdesempai. Stress and Trauma become hitpoints by a different name, you don't deal with Factions and all the Crew stuff, Heat, Entanglements and Vices are gone, etc.

The game is not about a heist, singular. It's about heists, plural; about how you and your crew get pulled deeper and deeper into the life, pushed against harder and harder targets, and get more and more scarred, and how every score is never quite the last score because you're too fucked up to quit. There's a reason it works for magitech crimes and Shadowrun, but not for D&D.

>>52750528
I live in Seattle and, according to my GM, it's like modern-day detroit. Not sure what that means.

Any tips for making a decker?

>>52753127
If you want max security get both Quick Config and Perfect Time. That lets you, in the absolute worst case, make a huge switch of programs and attributes.

In better situations, save at least one free action for after your turn so that you can go for more defense if you do get spotted.

Overclocker's nice, almost as good as an extra program slot, so it's another one to have if you have the room.

Also, make sure to run Smoke-and-Mirrors at the highest you can without taking any noise penalties.

Remember that you ideally want to get a direct connection to something slaved to a host in order to break in more easily.

>>52750528
My character lives near the mid-top of an apartment complex, with high digs and enough freedom to dive off their balcony when shit goes bad.

They actually have no windows or lookout points so snipers can't see in, and their doors are 8 inch thick steel. Gotta open them via keypad and it takes about 10 seconds to actually open, like a vault. Each room is on it's own air loop to prevent gas attacks and a single button opens the escape hatch; which is really some tamped charges that open a hole out the side of the apartment that everyone can jump out of.

No parachutes though.

>>52751116
Blades in the dark? More like aids in the dark.

Amirite?

Could you make a Decker/Getaway driver with high Logic, decent Reaction and Wired Reflexes? Do half of the hacking in AR that way.

>>52754270
ehh, maybe
Remember that getaway driver is like a tertiary archetype and more suited for the Street sammies/Adepts
As a decker having high REA is useless
and unless you cheese it HARD you won't be good enough with AR decking to do your job

>>52754270
Not really. You'll run out of money way too fast.

>>52750528
My street sam. A rented garage (low lifestyle) just outside Lambeth, London. He sleeps next to his bike and wakes up every morning smelling of moror oil. On the plus side no one bats an eye when he moves around equipment or returns home carrying duffle bags.

My vampire mage lives in an apartment above an abandoned library (London again). She's slowly renovating the building and loans books out to the local SINless.

>>52751624
What is EotM?

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>>52755465
Ends of the Matrix, a 4e matrix revamp of one of the original freelance Writers
Matrix abilities are modeled more like spells, brainhacking (everyone can be hacked, and you only need a commlink to hack) and Terrifying Technomancers
Pdf Related is the Setting changes for it
next post will be rules
With a little work you can translate it to 5e

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>>52755534
And the rule changes
I like it, makes that whole shit easier and allows deckers to actually affect fights aside from just using Suppressive fire

I love shadowrun's setting but hate the rules

or more specifically, love the rules but hate how everyone hates them because i never get to play it before someone gets bored

have you ever tried playing shadowrun using another (modified) system?

>>52755534
>>52755575
Nifty

If I want the Attune Ley Line ritual, do I need to take it as a metamagic, or do I take Geomancy and then the ritual as a 5 karma ritual like others? Same!E for Leeching.

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>>52750528

My decker lives in a cargo container, she has back doors into port authority software, allowing her to resupply herself using port automated transport drones and she can move house any time she wants by shipping her container where she wants it to go.

>>52756931
Yeah you need it as metamagic. If you check the ritual description it should say so at the very end, at least it does in the 5th edition street grimoire

Pretty large hideout in the Ork Underground. Already has the basics set up for the future ecoterrorist cell, now she just has to sell the "Mother Earth needs YOU" line to a bunch of trogs while still being charmingly racist as a sheltered Japanese girl.

>>52755784
I know a guy who runs games with some homebrewed GURPS

Now that I have enough proxies setup, I can ask how likely it is that I would be shot if my crew finds out I used to work corporate security before I was a shadowrunner.
And more accurately, If that sort of thing is That Guy or a viable background for a shadowrunner

>>52758785
>that I would be shot if my crew finds out I used to work corporate security before I was a shadowrunner.
shot? Chummer, that shit's worth orichalcum!
Saying that you have experience with that can really save an infiltrators day, when he needs to know what kind of security is usually there and how to avoid it
And having contacts with e.g. the quartermaster can get your team out of the boiling waters

It's perfectly fine as a background, and unless your other runners are totally "everyone working for The Man is evil and needs to die" (in which case they are hypocrites) they shouldn't find it too offensive.
Just give him Knowledge(Security Tactics), Knowledge(Security Design) and/or some contacts in a corp and your other players should appreciate it
unless of course you still work for them

>>52758785
From my experience it really depends on the GM. One I know will insist that the assumption is that the default for all characters is that without the SINner quality they were born SINless, so you must have that quality to pull that character off for him, while another I know would tell the player to tell him how and why they burned their SIN and generally rolls with it with some advice as to what other negative qualities to take.

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>>52758785
Far as I know, ex corpsec/military is a pretty common background for Street Samurai. So long as you've taken some steps to distance yourself from former employers (burning your SIN, for one) they'd probably welcome someone who knows about corporate security from the inside and wouldn't hold much of a grudge. Maybe if you did corpsec for SK or Aztechnology you might get some flak, but that's a big if.

>tfw your commission gets finished just in time for a Shadowrun thread

I'm trying to figure out what stops most SINless from going out and getting a SIN.

>shadowrunners and other criminal elements just prefer going without
>ditto for the conspiracy-minded
>corp SINs are packaged with janitor duty, and there's a hundred other guys after the post as well
>national SINs need you to go through serious bureaucratic hoops, and generally try to stop you at every turn unless you do something for them (like join the army)

Is that about correct?

>>52759335
How easy getting a SIN is determined by where you are, but generally yes
either you don't want a SIN (because you want to be free)
or you can't get a SIN because the corps/govs don't want to grant people citizen rights (same reason as why companies get moonlighters, less pay for same work)

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I'm thinking about buying a GM screen, but I only could find pictures of the back.

Has anyone of you one and could make a photo of the front? I like to take a closer look before I'm buying stuff blindly.

>>52755534
God bless that orange wearing, bridge burning bastard, Frank Trollman.

>>52755784
The thing about these questions is that a complete system overhaul only works in systems you (or the GM) know well. If you don't know GURPS or Fate or Savage Worlds or PbtA and someone tells you to run your game in that, it isn't helpful unless you have familiarity with the chosen system. Either that, or someone makes a set of houserules for everything. At best, you get EotM. At worst, you get Anarchy.

Speaking of which, has anyone even attempted to unfuck SA?

>>52759535
It's in the OP pastebin, in the Alphaware Content folder

>>52750528
>Where do you live? How is it?

Trailer in a trailer park near New Orleans. It's comfy for low life style

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>>52758978
Thanks for your help, A question that's been bothering me less so but how many knives is too many knives? I have six on my person right now and wasn't sure if there was some sort of point where you're being too prepared?

>>52759748
How many are under your skin?

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>>52750528
Pretty basic slum building, I own the floor I live on. Its nothing fancy but I've added my own touches and made sure its nice and safe. There's always the issue of large amounts of explosives, But if i'm that cased out then I'm dead anyway.

>>52759755
That's a very personal question chummer.

>>52759535
Honestly I paste so much shit on my GM screens that I would feel bad if the tables-side was too good

>>52759791
You don't need to specify where precisely.
But it would help to know if they went in handle first.

>>52759806
None of them are under my skin yet, but since you mention it that would be a hard place for someone to search without making a social faux paus.

>>52759748

You can never have too many knives.

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Would something like an MP7 or Mini-Uzi sized gun be a machine pistol or SMG?

>>52759987
I'd say an MP7 would be a SMG, and a Mini Uzi would be a Machine Pistol.

>>52759987
>machine pistol or smg?
yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_MP7

>pdw
>submachine gun
>machine pistol
those are literally the categories the mp7 fall in.

I would say its a sub machinegun

>>52760012
mini uzi is sub machinegun
micro uzi is machine pistol

an Uzi is on par with an m16 on terms of weight and cyclic rate

Mini uzi is on par with an m4 on terms of weight and range

micro uzi stands alone as a result of there being no AR machine pistol of actual functional size
this shit is complicated yo

>>52760020
Honestly, what's the difference between a subgun and a PDW besides nomenclature and how they're used?

5e question. What the best drone/weapon pair to use if I just want to have it use suppressive fire? Also is there any in-combat use for non-jumped-in drones other than suppressive fire? Unless you spend a fortune on pilot and targeting software their dice pool is pathetic.

>>52760136
PDWs were created to be an armor-defeating option that has the same usability as an SMG. So they generally have rounds like 5.7 that work better against personal body armor than most pistol rounds.

>>52759987

PDWs are generally classified such because they are designed around non-standard ammunition that is often lightweight but high velocity. MP7 fires a weird ass 4.6mm, the P90 fires 5.7mm.

The difference between an SMG and a Machine Pistol is generally harder to define, but if it was a carbine built to fire pistol cartridges, it's generally an SMG, and if it used to be or is based on a semi-automatic pistol but can fire automatic / burst, it's a Machine Pistol.

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>>52760136
>magazine and caliber

like, a mac10 falls into both machine pistol and sub machinegun with its rate of fire and .45 cal

while the p90 is submachinegun/PDW because 50 round mag and its 5.7mm

basically a PDW is a mix between carbine and sub machinegun

machine pistol is a fully automatic pistol and normally concealable

a pp2000 can be a PDW by basically having armor piercing rounds even though its the size of a machine pistol, but it's designed for use by both hands.

>>52760160
this

>>52760184
definition of what is a sub machinegun is also weird as shit, but sub machine gun and machine pistol... I think it has to do with one hand vs two hand design intent. Throw a stock on a micro uzi with a black tallon rounds and you've got a PDW

this talk is tedious

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>>52760257
You're right, instead post guns that work as stand ins for Shadowrun guns. Here's a Raiden.

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>>52760257
>>52760271

Aye aye.

>>52760145
Also is there an easy way to increase the sensor rating on a drone? Can I just buy higher rating sensors and slap them on the drone?

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>>52760313
But why?

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>>52760413
What in the name of fuck.

>>52760413
that's a whole lot of negativity

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>>52760271
remington roomsweeper

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>>52760436
Hornet loads are nasty.

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desert strike

>>52760458
is this supposed to be some kind of fucked up pancor jackhammer

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Plastic gun, plastic rounds.

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>>52760481
I think that's just a Thompson with a bunch of retro sci-fi gubbins attached to it.

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still no mosin nagant in shadowrun

>>52760705
Stats wouldn't really be any different from the smaller of the remington bolt-actions, but in 5e you could lower the accuracy to like 3 lmao

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>>52760705
Why would you even want one? Unless you want one of those Finnish M39s.

>>52760595
>>52760439
>>52760413
Compacts are rad. Got any more?

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>>52760730
compare the SVD damage to the remington

i own a mosin and it shoots fine as my ar15 with a deer scope

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>>52760761
amusement

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>>52760767
Now try and imagine how much better a Mauser would shoot.

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>>52760762
This and some derringer-types, I think. Shame nobody uses light pistols hardly, it seems.

>>52760767
in general I avoid treating the round as the sole arbiter of damage for real-world comparisons because there's some jank situations that arise when you do that. also a mosin-nagant can be pretty fine, they're just highly variable and don't really have the chops of more well-regarded rifles in their class. Where's yours from?

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This is a new one, I don't know which heavy pistol it would fit best as though.

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>>52760834

>>52759335
>I'm trying to figure out what stops most SINless from going out and getting a SIN.
Governments pay corporations to employ their National SINner workers. There's a very slim margin for employing someone who doesn't come with a stack of nuyen for the corporation, and usually it involves burning that employee's SIN before paying them.

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>>52760858

How big is a 5e chem slap patch supposed to be?

>>52760834
Not pink or mohawk enough, I expect.

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>>52760897
Last of my light/holdout pistols that I'd qualify as such. I try not to have a big folder of bullshit.

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>>52760834
my mosin is from USSR, no way of knowing when, but i've got 4 of them. 2 carbines, one has a permant bayonet. and two 1890/30. My favorite is the longest one with nicest wood finish.

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>>52760880
I mean I know why it is, it's because the concealment checks are really easy to cheese out with no character investment so the heavy pistol gives a larger number for no downside. 5e missed a big opportunity-- Should have made limits the primary concealment mechanic instead of check penalties and bonuses.

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>>52760972
I think i'll give my dude a baretta 201T as a back up to his guardian and keeping the colt new model revolver as a last resort

>>52761054
I tend to have 4 or 5 light fire 70s on a character sheet with no licenses, as burners if the character is a hard bastard who'd expect to find use for them. Merc-types like heavy pistols, detectives use revolvers because idk my detective characters always have this weird motif about chance so I use reliability as a callback to that while also alluding to russian roulette, and then more sociable characters tend to use the executive action or the colt america, depending on their background.

I'm a little bit meticulous.

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>>52761146
i wouldn't say that's meticulous at all.

>Mercs want the most tactical thingy
>Detectives want reliability as they don't use their weapon that often
>Faces are suppose to have flashy/socially acceptable fire arms

i suffer from the tendency to police dead people's guns and then use those for illegal shit later on. That shit builds up quickly over time

I also like custom look on guns. Guardian is engraved with filigree

>>52761346
Using dead folks' guns as burners just seems to create a trail, to me. Places you at multiple crime scenes, and all that. Buying 200 dollar dumpster guns is traceable but I figure if i'm not making a purchase that anybody would consider noteworthy, it's probably not enough to really trace even if they identify the weapon. Not that my characters are all likely to go that route, but.

>>52761412
I like the idea of just using the same gun the entire time over the time span from 2070 to 2077 and eventually a detective goes insane trying to track my guy.

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>>52757171
Clever.
>>52750528
Pullyup Barrens. Attached garage of an old church converted into a bar, 'The Baptist Beer Hall'.
'Street doc' for the neighborhood community/streetgang who protect the place in exchange for medical servic,. no other security.
Built a MASH unit in a dump without power or other amenities, have 3 medbots to help. Character is an Ice Mage with Healing. he can remove cyberware, but if you want it fixed he sends you a few blocks away to Dr 'Shakey' the real medical doc who is never sober.
Sort of equivalent to a safe house in a storm drain and sleeping on cases of cognac and caviar.

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anyone got art of the shadowrunners mentioned in the books? I've seen Slammo! but that's about it.

>plz post runner art
i'm an idiot and looked around on google and found nothing
Vehicles and Drones are cool too

>>52760145
>>52760390
Anyone?

>>52762098
i think you need to put a higher rating sensor housing on it, and then throw the better sensors in.

I've been trying to figure out if an anthrodrone uses its hands to fire a gun, just what skill that falls under. I want to make an AI character, but CGL doesn't exactly make anything fucking clear or simple.

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>>52761992
I don't have art of any of the characters from the books, but have art of my most recent Runner.

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>>52762238
neat.

I've had to check out pinterest to see what can be scrounged up. I don't like pinterest's user interface.

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>>52762358
Pinterest kinda sucks. I mainly just scrounge around DA and occasionally artstation.

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>>52762393

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>>52762408

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>>52762373
i wonder why 5 swords...

>>52762393
hmm

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>>52762421

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>>52762843

Hrm. If you hypothetically lost your Adapsin modification somehow, would your Essence snap back down to the lower value?

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>>52762931
you'd have an essence hole, shove things deep inside that hole to feel complete again even though it'll never give you that thick comfy feeling

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>>52763031

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>>52763047

How do I do cybergun mods in Chummer 5.189.32? Do I have to upgrade again?

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I sure hope some one is actually lurking and enjoying these pictures that I just stole from pinterest

>>52763095
right click it and it will say "add as plug in" or "add mod" it will then take up capacity.

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>>52763100

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>>52763100
I've saved a couple for my file. I find it easy to find new stuff on Pinterest but god is it a pain in the ass the download/upload on that site.

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>>52763133
Man, I wish they'd made infected slightly less infectious. As it is, they're way to dangerous to be around for most people. It's one of those things that they have rules so you can technically play them, but playing them is pants on head retarded for fluff reasons. Kinda like Nartaki.

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>>52763100

I tried that but I don't see how I load in the actual gun. Do I have to purchase that as a normal weapon separately?

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>>52763179
the site is kinda pissing me off as well

>>52763185
i play an infected. basically utter avoidance of all contact with finger claws. In sixth world almanac they explain a bit more about it with the ghoul nation

>>52763193
it should be a different category. I dunno, I recommend you save your progress and get to fiddling with it. when you catastrophically fuck up go back to the old save and start over. I'll say it'll take you 5 minutes.

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>>52763240
My biggest issue is that probably 1 out of 4 times the download function in the app simply doesn't work, with no indication at all.

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>>52763329
im literally just saving image as for the ones I like

>>52760413
Is it a real pistol? How does it even?

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>>52763379
take an over under double barrel shotgun. make it take 25 or 40 mm grenades. Put hornet's nest rounds in, which take .22LR or .22magnum. Point it at a thing you dont like and shoot.

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>>52763443

I found out one of my fellow runners made a deal with a dragon.
Do I geek him now to save myself the trouble or just hope we don't get drawn in when it inevitably goes badly?

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>>52763360
It's my punishment for phoneposting.

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>>52763498
kill him in a mini session with just you and him and the GM

What would you say the average base level shadowrunners monthly income is?

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>>52763603
all of it

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>>52763649
Well, it's not often I get to dump pictures. I hope some one saved a few or drew inspiration for shit. I'mma pass the fuck out.

>>52762931
So it's a genemod that causes the body to produce proteins that reduce cyberware rejection, represented by a reduction in essence cost.
I'd say they lose the gene, they stop making the proteins, they suffer normal rejection rates and lose that 10% reduction retroactively as their body is fullly exposed to their cyberware for the first time. Potentially causing their essence to dip below 0 if they had enough cyber implanted.
Sucks though, I usually try to rule in the players' favor.
The more curious question to me is how did they lose the genemod?
Was it overwritten with something else?

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>>52760145
>What the best drone/weapon pair to use if I just want to have it use suppressive fire?

Rotodrone with AK-98, with the grenade launcher loaded with (depending on how much of an asshole you are) Pepper Punch or Seven-7, and (if the GM allows) some lethals in an ammo bin. Cheap, effective, and multiple ways to fire.

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>>52763116
bulge

>>52759779
Doesn't matter how high your security is, and it's also maxed as neighborhood+1. You didn't read the living rules, did you?

>>52750528
I just spent almost 2 hours RPing the group having spaghetti with one of the PC's mom after running away from a cyberzombie. I love this game.

Does anyone have a pic for the lemat 2072?

>>52764993
I used chummer.

>>52765230
And Chummer allows me to make a pixie witb resonance.

Read the rules proper.

>>52763603
As per 5e core.

>>52763185
>I wish they'd made infected slightly less infectious.
>>52763240
>i play an infected. basically utter avoidance of all contact with finger claws.
Strain III requires total bodily fluid avoidance. Strain II requires no bleeding in others' wounds / mouths. Strain I requires not killing via Essence Drain.

So there are non-infectious Infected. Effectively.

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>>52766179
>>52766192
Thank you

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>Looks like the totals for Forbidden Arcana, the forthcoming advanced magic book, go like this: 5 new alchemical tools, 14 new compounds, 51 new mastery qualities, 17 new mentor spirits, 14 new metamagics, 15 new preparations, 8 new reagents, 6 new rituals, 32 new spells, 15 new spirits, 19 new or updated traditions, and other fun miscellaneous goodies.

>>52766634
Anything about them finally balancing magic?

>>52766634
>>52766958
Or is this book (like it seems) just going to make magic more OP?

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>technomancer book soon boiz
>one year later

at this rate we'll have res scores and be writing the book ourselves before it releases

>>52767139
Or you could stop waiting for the shoddily made work of a fraud company that only hires a few half-paid freelancers to butcher someone else's intellectual property, and play the complete, fully edited, better-balanced, more fleshed-out edition of the game released by the people who actually had the original idea and vision for Shadowrun.
You could wait another year to have your magical Matrix setting-mangling shenanigan adventures in a Tumblr-using art major's vaporwave wet dream with special snowflakes on every corner and nothing about the setting itself, watching mysads, pixies and technomancers run roughshod over the last remnants of what was once a cyberpunk setting but is now a Women's Studies major's clumsy satire of the modern world with barely any setting detail except for the Awakened.
Or you could play a complete, balanced and errataed game in an actual cyberpunk universe where magic plays a narrative role without taking over the whole setting, which is by the way multiple hundreds of pages deep and comes with maps, in-depth guides and references for everything you'll ever need. And you can do it while playing a character archetype you'd see in a cyberpunk work and that can interact constructively with the setting, instead of a min-maxed special snowflake magician made up in someone else's intellectual property by a thieving fraudster who's just trying to wring the largest possible sum out of Tumblrinas with a hard-on for fairies so he can pay for his next bathroom renovation.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gp1gl94y2wkfj/3rd_Edition
Or you could go play Witch Girls Adventures in the meantime. With how most 5e CGLrun games go, it's all the content and a fifth of the fuss.

>>52767358
Show me on the doll where CGL touched you anon.

>>52767358
>You could wait another year to have your magical Matrix setting-mangling shenanigan adventures in a Tumblr-using art major's vaporwave wet dream with special snowflakes on every corner and nothing about the setting itself, watching mysads, pixies and technomancers run roughshod over the last remnants of what was once a cyberpunk setting but is now a Women's Studies major's clumsy satire of the modern world with barely any setting detail except for the Awakened.

Fucking hell, what's got you so upset?

>>52767405
I'm just waiting for the day where one of you power-fantasy-hungering CGL drones come up with a better reply than that.
I have yet to hear why you prefer playing a shoddy, unfinished, half-edited, unbalanced mess of a game that steps all over the original work and feeds money straight into the pockets of a proven fraudster, when you could be picking up the fully finished original game for completely free right there in the Mediafire folder.
The differences that aren't explicitly a mechanical fault or lack are that mages are powerful and metaplot-involved to the point that there's nothing to be gained from playing a non-Awakened without a gimmick build, there are multiple special-snowflake metavariants with almost no fluff that don't mesh with the setting, the devs have singled out everything even remotely cyberpunk to tear it apart with gamist methods, and of course even the Matrix is being enveloped by a metaplot that will inevitably break one of the setting's core rules by melding it with magic.
In all honesty, go play WGA. There's no reason why you wouldn't enjoy it - you're a perfect magician with a carte blanche to do everything you ever want towards the evil normies, and no one can ever do anything against you.
>>52767456
Can you really deny that that's exactly what it is?
I'm mad because not a single time did I have to exaggerate even the slightest about 5e. That's what it is, and I've yet to hear a coherent rebuttal.

>>52767479
I understand anon. It's okay to be mad. Do you want a hug?

>>52755784

I am running shadowrun with ffg star wars. Pretty good so far the system already has rules for decking and cyberware, just ruled mages were jedis templates and trim the trees.

Pretty balance system so far and easy on the gm.

However spirits are out until i figure out how to transplant them.

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>>52766634
>17 new mentor spirits
>19 new or updated traditions

I want. I know it will make magic even better, but I'm a sucker for the relationship between a mage and the worlds (physical and metaphysical). Hopefully those alchemical tools finally include something like a bag you can store preparations in that slows their degradation, so alchemists can be viable.

Also, what the heck is a 'mastery quality'?

>>52767960
>However spirits are out until i figure out how to transplant them.
Use droid crafting or any other minion wrangling (is there anything else?) as a starting point. Slash the prices for the limited amount of time you have a standard spirit, but allow paying full price to keep it around.

>>52768136
>Also, what the heck is a 'mastery quality'?
It lets you be the master in a specific skill
Master pistol
Master Pilot Watercraft
Master Baiting

>>52768296
>Master Baiting
CGL still rolling deep with self-inserts.

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>>52768136
Fuck only knows, but at a guess they're going to apply modifiers to spells provided you meet prerequisities, but I don't get why you wouldn't just use initiation metamagics for that. I imagine it's going to be ten pages of shit like 'Elemental Mastery (Earth): Stone is patient and wise. Gain +2 when sustaining Shape Stone and on Instruction tests.'
>>52766958
I doubt there's going to be anything that would change the core rules in any functional manner.
>>52767139
It's been stuck in editing hell for months, apparently. Who knows, maybe Mac will rebel against the system and leak the proof documents ala Shadows of Latin America. Vive La Résistance, etc. If nothing else we'd be a better errata team than the current lot.

>>52768136
I'm hoping that the update is giving actual recommendations on where/what a tradition gets the better Alchemy roll for scrounging up reagents on... just about all of them.

>>52768522
Perhaps we'll finally find out what the Arrow of Red Dragon Slaying does?

>>52767479
>I have yet to hear why you prefer playing a shoddy, unfinished, half-edited, unbalanced mess of a game that steps all over the original work and feeds money straight into the pockets of a proven fraudster, when you could be picking up the fully finished original game for completely free right there in the Mediafire folder.

>Implying we pay for books this days.

As for why i prefer 5th edition, well i like the basic system and i like how they handle decking. 3rd edition is errata as fuck (in the good sense) but decking is still clunky.

Not going to defend CGL, they are utter shit heads and the devs of shadowrun deserve way more than they get shit on by their company but i prefer to fix whats wrong with 5th edition than re learning 3rd and then fixing whats wrong with 3rd.

Not saying you are wrong either, all your complains are valid except maybe the one about metavariants as i heard they were also in 3rd (maybe i am wrong) and i take many ideas from 3rd for houseruling 5th.

>>52759632
>Speaking of which, has anyone even attempted to unfuck SA?

Whats wrong with Anarchy, i was thinking to pick it up this month?

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>>52767358
>don't play 5e because it's too full of special snowflakes and internet mages
>3e's metaplot is about a bunch of 14 year old autistic internet mages destroying the internet

shadowrun has always been trash tier, if anyone cared about playing cyberpunk games we'd all be playing cp2020 right now

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robot girl best girl

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>>52770671
Better or worse?

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>>52770671
best robot girl

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>>52770793
+5 for cool bike, -2 for not having fiber-optic hair to run your fingers through

>>52770795
But she's so mean.

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>>52770851
>But she's so mean.
I prefer to think she's good at what she does and happens to enjoy it.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel for Case at the very end, though.
That had to cut deep.

Tell me SRG is it just me or are magicians massively overpowered?

>>52762931
Since AFAIK it's supposed to reduce biosystem stress upon implantation, and coats it with a biofilm I'd say that the ones already installed keep their essence cost (The biofilm stays and the proteins work while implanting), but any following augmentation don't get the bonus

>>52771643
Nah, that's true
Just use the Background Count rules from 4e and have adepts be affected by half the count

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>>52761992
Everytime I see this picture I can't help but think that dude is a PC based off Mario Mario.

>>52771643
Summoning is the super-strong thing. There's also a few OP spells that if you cheese the right way become even more OP, and some that if you cheese, they become OP.

Others need a little more work, like say some kind of pain killing 'ware, but in generally the summoning is the real nasty bit.

>>52769899
All the best content was for 2nd edition tbqh

>>52772004
I still like that in the earliest editions of SR, it was possible to have a character with an allergy to weapons, armor, clothing, and 'ware (basically).

The level of allergy at that point doesn't matter, just the fact that most of everything can trigger an allergic reaction is great.

>>52767358
>Or you could play a complete, balanced and errataed game in an actual cyberpunk universe where magic plays a narrative role without taking over the whole setting

How exactly did 3rd got rid of awakened supremacy?

>>52761992
Check Street Legends and Street Legends Supplemental (pdf) for some JackPoint guys and gals. This is for 4ed. There is also a pic of /dev/grill in Data Trails - girl with a deck case with Unicorn.

>he uses lethal means

You like getting gangbanged my KE eh?

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>>52766141
yeah, my ghoul isn't going to make out with any of the other players. He also isn't going to bleed or ejaculate on them and also wears gloves to avoid accidental scratches.

>>52772536
its really dumb how they never show what their runners look like. I'm curious as to what Kane, Puck, Red, Picador, Hannabelle, and the others look like.

>>52763185
What's wrong with nartaki?

>>52773311
Because there are only 5000 Nartaki in the whole world
And most of them (IIRC like 99%) are immediately put into hindu temples, so at best there are 50 or so nartaki outside india
That means that if people see you they can just check where those 50 or so were and just brute force it
Compare it to other metatypes/-variants where there are too many to be able to brute force it.

>>52773407
>if people see you they can just check where those 50 or so were

True. I know they have distinctive style for their weird skin color but I feel they should have another quality to represent their rarity.

>>52773125
>not blowing a hot load over the other characters
>not blowing a hot load over the other players

>>52773774
you're right, I should fling my DNA at the others, both OOC and IC

>>52773774
>implying he doesn't take the hot loads

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Lets see what need fixing with 5th ed
-Editing so relevant information will be where needed/expected and not halfway across the book
-Rules being adjust as to be written by person so parts match up. Like default run rewards making you play for an year just to get some cyberware. Or small unit tactics using different team work test rules than the core book
- The progression of Awakened characters to be put on equal level as Cyber guys. And not initiate to godhood
-Matrix activity not taking half an hour to do X
- Getting rid of needless and redundant rules.
Threading water really?
-Someone with actual technical knowledge stepping in. Hosts making sense? Guns making sense?
What am I missing?

>>52774837
Magic is actually pretty okay, it's cyber and ware in general that CGL randomly nerfed to uselessness. They need cost reduction and to just be flat out incompatible with magic.

>>52774837
Coleman killing himself on live stream

>>52774837
- More Jackpoint

>>52774837
-Less Jackpoint

>>52774967
>>52774980
Right every Jackpointer is called for Slamm-0! barbecue party at his house. Somehow all of them response so you get a whole book of the various runners interacting with each other.
Only for Ares and S-K to uncover this and bombard the location with every single Thor shot they have. End book cue SR 6th ed begining

>>52774916
>flat out incompatible with magic.
In what way? Essence loss affecting mages double (1 point of essence lost = 2 points of MAG lost)?
Mages not being allowed to take 'ware?

>>52775052
And with mages I mean awakened

>>52775052
If magical characters can take ware, then ware has to be balanced around the assumption that they will. This means higher cost, avail, and difficulty in acquisition. This means that mundane characters pay more for less, and have nothing unique.

>>52775480
again, what do you propose happens when awakened try to install ware?
High MAG loss to limit how much they can take?
Total loss, no matter the essence cost?
Something else?

>>52774837

Better ware. If choose to jaguar legs to run faster instead of getting a max up regular legs i expect a better bonus than a shitty +2/+2 to limit.

This is personal preference but make adept powers need DM approval to avoid stupid shit like adept of decking/rigging
.

>>52776427
I mean, if you're the DM and you don't want that shit you can already tell the player to kill self desu

It doesn't have to say "requires DM approval" in the book for you to decide someone can't run some stupid shit you don't like.

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>>52775480
A x% cost/essence reduction and some amount of reduced Availability for 'ware if you're mundane would seem like the simplest fix without bloating the rulebook much. -10%, -4 Avail maybe? Doesn't really fix the core problem of what the hell a mundane character does with all their karma to give them an equivalence to initiation though. Maybe some kind of acclimatisation process that allows you to increase the effective grade of a given piece of 'ware by spending karma? 15*New Grade or something?

>>52776666
first of all: Nice Adversary quints
second: Maybe have them be able to convert Karma to nuyen? Mages need mostly karma, while mundanes need mostly nuyen.
Or alternatively: getting "additional essence" where their soul grows onto that ware and increases how much they can take, meaning that at the end you either get better ware or more essence for it (or both). I get the feeling that it might be OP, though I don't know why

Is it ever possible to have a technomancer using CRB? I have a player who just insisted so hard he almost refused armor and weapons to be one.

>>52776776
*quads
Welp, time to sleep

>>52776779
http://shadowrun.com/forums/discussion/comment/181431/#Comment_181431
Every time, until you like it

>>52774837
>Lets see what need fixing with 5th ed

NPCs rules that are different from normal PCs, like a rules for groups on NPCs simplified. So i dont have to multitask 15 guards just to give the mage a run for his money.

Any idea when the Obsolete quality will be added to 5e? I have reasons.

>>52776852
When 6e arrives

>>52776666
I'm the madman who reduces the nuyen cost of cyberware at my table by 50%, it does a great job of making cyberware the poor man's option, without actually breaking the bank. My table is all friends though, so I don't have issues with that guy bullshit like other people will with a houserule like this.

Seems like your idea would fit well as mundane-magical martial arts technique like Chin Na (IIRC that's the name). It's Meditation with an extended arcana test with a threshold and a karma cost paid equal to the essence hole created x 15 karma.

>>52776873
well, there's my sadness for the day

Is outright banning spirit summoning a shitty GM move, or a good way to balance magic?

>>52777165
Coupled with an almost constant background count of -1 to -2 (on the low end) unless the area is tailored to your magic.

>>52777165
Banning it fully might be too extreme
What about bringing their skills from R to R/2?

>>52777214
So halving their summoning ability basically?

>>52777238
no, I mean bring the skill levels of spirits from being equal to their rating to being equal to rating/2

>>52777257
That's not a bad idea. What are your thoughts on background count?

>>52777165
>Is outright banning spirit summoning a shitty GM move, or a good way to balance magic?

It might be a little extreme, what i do is removing inmunity to normal weapons for spirit summoned with a force less or equal than your magic and those summoned with a force higher than your magic loss the auto successes on their soak roll.

If you wanna go even further just ban immunity from normal weapons.

>>52777257
>>52777310
I'm thinking of having magic be more ebb and flow then just constant. Meaning times were as a mage you'll be an absolute monster but just as many times that you'll be underpowered compared to mundanes.

>>52777340
That's a good suggestion too. Thank you.

>>52777346
Than*

>>52777310
depends on the version
As I said upthread the 4e version is hard enough that it can reduce their power significantly (for those that don't know: in 4e background counts reduced your MAG by their absolute and went from -12 to 12)
With the cleansing metamagic you can reduce the rating, and domains IIRC give you bonus dice

With the 5e version? yeah, BCs of 2 should be somewhat common and should increase the bigger the emotional impact

In any case you should make it so that adepts are only affected by half of the rating, since they are damaged more in their abilities. Just fluff it as them being less dependent on ambient mana

>>52777310
>That's not a bad idea. What are your thoughts on background count?

I never got background count, it seems too fickle of a mechanic. Shadowrunner shoot up a place, does that issue a background count? And what magic should it favored? I get healing magic will be affected but mind control? Fireball? Barrier?

>>52777403
Yeah I was just thinking of having bc either not affect adepts or affect them by half. Since like you said it's crippling for them. Plus I don't think it isn't too far off the logical thought process anyways since most of their magic is passive it would follow that they don't need as much access to the mana flows.

>>52777457
My plan is to go with me of a straightforward approach. Big fire happened here not too long ago, good for fire mages, bad for everyone else. Granted most situations won't be as clear cut, but I think my players will understand it's all in the interest of balance and will give a bit of leeway.

>>52777505
Go with more of* my phone's auto correct is kicking my ass tonight.

Reading a bunch of 4e vehicle books, "this old drone" and "eurowars antiques".

>Rival smuggler is starting shit again
>getting fucking sick of it
>acquire a m-1126a2 stryker from a buddy
>drive right into that asswipe's compound
>going 45 miles an hour while pumping 20mm into anything that moves
>bullets are just bouncing off
>see that fuck running screaming into his house
> time to follow him
> laughing the whole time
> the look on his face was priceless when he went under it

>>52777457
>Shadowrunner shoot up a place, does that issue a background count?
depends on how big and in what way
killing an entire complex will increase BC, but if you do it quickly and painlessly it won't rise by much, compared if you go in guns blazing and create a lot of panic, fear and anger
>And what magic should it favored?
aren't domains usually Tradition favoring? if no tradition is obviously being favored then I'd say that nobody gets a bonus
Or is it a 5e thing that magic categories are getting boni/penalties?

>>52777592
No, it goes by tradition.

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>>52777592
>not killing so many people during the run you poison the astral for miles around

>>52777681
Good for blood mages.

Bad for Batman.

>>52776776
Hong Kong did this with the cyberware skill line, mundanes could basically increase their essence cap and it came with some bonuses to cyberware weapons.

>>52777624
There's an adept metamagic to ignore BC produced by violence, which meansbackground count can be aspected towards things other than tradition.

>>52777592
>aren't domains usually Tradition favoring? if no tradition is obviously being favored then I'd say that nobody gets a bonus
>Or is it a 5e thing that magic categories are getting boni/penalties?

So how do you favor a tradition with emotions? Like i have a nordic mage and a hermetic one which emotions are their traditions?

>>52777789
the ones given in SM are mostly sites of important history for the relevant tradition (e.g. a large magical library for hermetics)
I guess that by acting on things in a matter fitting the tradition you can aspect the BC to you:
Violent actions and other means of creating lots of emotions only create a background count that is initially neutral (ie. not favoring anyone). These neutral BCs can then be aspected to favor your tradition
BCs created by your tradition are already aspected to you
Though this is not RAW, just personal view on the mechanic

>>52750528
Downtown Seattle Five-Star Hotel/Runner Hideout. Has the best connections in the city, and paid off every power to become 'sacred ground'.

What's a good way to run a low power game? Street level rules suck

>>52778148
Street Scum rules
Sum-To-8

>>52774837
>Lets see what need fixing with 5th ed

The game take a fucking stance on whether shadowrunners are suppose to be scum barely scrapping by for any nuyen/work or superhuman killing machines that dont work for the corps because they dont wanna.

>Anywhere a Shadowrun might conceivably take place: 4-6 Background Count
>Basically everywhere else on Earth, at minmum: 1-3 Background Count

As an Adept, how do I make sure my GM never, ever finds out about or uses this crippling horseshit?

>>52778550
The simplest way is to take the Way of the Warrior and initiate ASAP. Take Domain of the Warrior as your first metamagic. (If you're paranoid or the GM's an ass about being magically tracked prepare a hiding place with a high BC and/or a good mana barrier until you can get Masking too).

Most BCs are going to be violence aspected, so that lowers it by your grade +1.

>>52774837
The list of things that I always wanted to tweak about 5e was, well, not as long as it was for 4e but it wasn't super short either. Off the top of my head:
>curb numbers bloat
>do something to make cyberlimbs less janky
>experiment with ways to require technomancers spread their resources less thinly at chargen
>toxins and explosives are nearly unfixable
>keep most of the matrix rules but rewrite the fluff

>>52774916
Cyber and magic are about as evenly matched as they've ever been. There are specific bits of jank with each that need to be looked at, though. I'm also assuming that we'd be looking at balance as core-book specifically, and the rest would be considered optional rules. Since basically no game is balanced across a dozen splats.

>>52774967
>>52774980
>bring back Shadowland

>>52776666

I'm not sure how I'd reduce the base costs, but I know I'd do something like "Mages can only take Betaware or beta bioware/cyberware"

>>52778507
Honestly, I like running both sorts of games, so I tend to be ok with CGL's approach in this instance. But more specifically, the rules are very spotty regarding nuyen as a reward and the progression system just doesn't work the same way if you change things up that way. And it's bullshit that you have stronger magic-users in low-nuyen campaigns and stronger cyborgs in high-nuyen campaigns, it should be able to be a GM-dependent lore concern and not a balance concern. The only way I can imagine that'd fix this is implementing Karma costs for cyberware implantations and rebalancing the nuyen costs to compensate, but I imagine that'd be a very polarizing decision.

>>52775949

"If the character is awakened, essence costs are doubled"

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So what's going on in India these days? Other than VITAS.

>>52779759
Honestly I can see it. My instinct is that 2x across the board is too broad and it'll have very inconsistent results, but I think it's worth playtesting this idea.

>>52779701
Hrm. The nice thing about that is that it prevents creation-mode shenanigans like the priority D burnout adept, but completely removing cyberware from mages at creation also screws up other valid choices you could or would make.

>>52779876
dunno

sci fi indian tiddiez

>>52779890
Yeah, I've always kinda liked making mages with one cyberarm or something who have to angst about how much potential they had. You'd have to do a lot of work to selectively attack the janky burnouts, though.

>>52779876
>http://pastebin.com/SsWTY7qr
go to 3rd edition and download "shadows of asia". I just did, thanks to you I noticed i didn't have it.

>>52780214
Honestly, I think it'd be written a lot differently today despite how short a time it's really been.

>>52780270
I agree.

also, the amount of shit in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th editions dwarf 5th edition. If they play catch up, i'll probably die of old age before 6th edition comes out, then everyone will be bitching about it not having the same content from previous editions.

I really wish CGL could just pick a fucking system edition for its overly complicated bullshit rules that don't change complexity

it's easier for me to rebuild my car's engine than understand these rules in any true form of mastery

FFG's 40k system is so much better for cross editions/games and actually has rules for importing characters.

why is there no import system in shadowrun?

>>52779972
>I've always kinda liked making mages with one cyberarm

I've always wanted to play a mage with double limb replacement, either both arms or legs, despite knowing it's not really possible. I had this idea for a CorpSec mage who fought shadowrunners and lost limbs, the Corp was kind enough to replace their lost limbs and now they have to make do as a runner themselves. I know it isn't really viable.

>>52779890

I suppose you could go two sides of the spectrum, but then it becomes inconsistent: "Used that ravages your essence and magic, or Betaware that doesn't fuck you over. There is no inbetween"

Stops the powergame, allows options. But I think I'd prefer the 2x >>52779759

>>52780354
Well, there's very little *good* content for 4th edition. There were barely any fluff-centric books and the ones that did exist were pretty spotty. The rest of the game was basically already ported over to 5e.

I used to play 5e, but set the game in the metaplot of around 2055 so I could use all the good source for it and ignore the silly meme shit.

I only stopped because I read through 2e and thought the rules are really clever, so I gm that instead

>>52780365
Eh, it's 5e. There's so much power creep that you can make all kinds of unviable shit and have it work out. Kinda depends on how hard your teammates are cheesing it, though.

>>52780413
i like the idea of using 5e's rules but just being able to import all the old shit into it. Vehicles, weapons, drones and shit would be fun.

I want obsolete cool shit too

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>>52780365
I played this as my first Shadowrun character. He was an aspected Sorcerer Security Mage with two Cyberarms. He had his arms blown off in an altercation with Shadowrunners. Ended up falling into the Shadows and loved the freedom it brought. Mechanically speaking, being able to roll 19 Dice for shooting an Assault Rifle while also being able to throw up Physical Barriers and Spell Defense dice is not a bad thing.

Shadowrun is a system that doesn't take a lot of push to make a character concept viable.

>>52780455
Really most of the stuff that anybody used was ported over every edition. I suppose 4e had a bunch of books that just had nothing but mostly-useless gear in them that I used to use for one or two items and forget the rest existed. But really when I want something more varied I tend to take an existing weapon or vehicle, change around the accessories list, and rebrand it.

I suppose I've also been homebrewing fluff bullshit for Shadowrun for my entire gaming lifetime.

>>52780481
>>52780430
Got any goo tips on how to build one? I'll take any sort of Mage/cyberware set up.
I've never played before. My groups never made it past session 0.

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What reason would a corp have to Bio-engineer the most RADICAL BIKER TO EVER RIDE ON TWO WHEELS?

>>52781389
Spinrad.

>>52781389
Maybe they were trying to make the perfect movie star?

>>52781389
Nah, the biking is just something he loves, probably made to be a badass driver for military/security vehicles, like a tank operator or personal driver for a AAA CEO, but once he got on a bike, gat damn, he ain't going back.

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Hrm. Feed me opinions on whether an adept can take the Spirit Bane quality.

SPIRIT BANE
BONUS: 7 KARMA
A character with a Spirit Bane really torques off a certain type of spirit (p. 303). Whether the character has a reputation for harming this sort of spirit or something about her aura enrages them, spirits of the type affected by the Spirit Bane are likely to harass the character when she is in their presence, and they may be reluctant to obey or perform favors for the character or her friends.
If spirits of this type are ordered to attack a party that includes the character, these spirits will single her out and attempt to destroy her first. Affected spirits will always use lethal force against these characters with the Spirit Bane quality.
If the character with Spirit Bane tries to summon or bind this spirit, she suffers a –2 dice pool modifier for the attempt. If the summoner tries to banish a spirit of this type, the spirit receives a +2 dice pool modifier for resisting her attempt. Watchers and minions do not count for Spirit Bane, as they are constructs that are not summoned like normal spirits.
>This quality may only be taken by magic users. Magic users may possess this quality for a type of spirit that is not a part of their magical tradition.

Magic users is not the usual terminology for Awakened, so it seems a bit more intentional that it's only people that can summon things that can get it, especially given the penalties.

Anyone here play older editions besides 4th?

Just curious, I'm gonna be running 2nd edition for my group pretty soon I'm really excited

>>52782052
Codeblock has similar phrasing that bars taking it if it's not likely to come up in game.

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>>52781540

Oh now you've done it

I present for srg's viewing pleasure

JASON STATHELF

>>52782052
I'd allow it. Sure, an adept cannot summon spirits so it's less of a hassle, but if they're allergic to fire spirits and someone in the vicinity summons one they still suffer from the harass/single out/use lethal force part. (And that will be a bigger inconvenient during play than -2 dice on a ginormous pool.)

>>52782052
It wouldn't do as much if an adept took it. I'd maybe consider modifying the cost. The rest basically depends on the situation.

What are examples of the content you think will be in Forbidden Arcana?

>>52779701
>>52776666
I think it'd be easier to say that, by default, everyone gets a 12 karma negative quality for no gain. Awakened get to choose between Cyber-snob and Sensitive System.

>>52782052
>>52782197
>Sure, an adept cannot summon spirits
Says who?

>The Calling ritual is conceptually a very old ritual. Awakened and mundane occultists are able, with the proper paraphernalia, to call a spirit. It is believed that the paraphernalia, not the magician, powers the ritual. When a mundane is performing this ritual, substitute Arcana for Ritual Spellcasting.

Question about ramming
Does the characters inside the ramming vehicle have to resist damage?
And if they do do they get the vehicle armor as bonus to their own?
Does Mook McMookface with his 5 body and 12 armor jacked dies when the Ares Roadmaster he is in slams into Dodge Scoot?

>>52782977
continuing on this
how does body as damage me sense?
How does crashing in Suzuki Mirage at top speed in the side of a building do you less damage than hitting a postbox with your BMW X8?

>>52751116
>tfw waiting for the Totally Not Shadowrun hack for The Sprawl to drop

>>52780455
Was 3e the last edition that had import rules?

>>52783197
1-3e were all in the same game engine basically, so you just didn't really need to convert between them hardly. It was a cleaner approach but on the other hand, if CGL actually kept the 4e engine i'd probably have more problems with 5e.

>>52783329
What if FanPro had kept the 3e engine for 4e?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0u4M6vppCI
I need a shia lebouf runner asap

>>52783372
bloat, probably. it was the defining problem of 3e and in a system of its nature, it's hard to trim prior bloat without going nuclear

>>52783387
Actual cannibal, or you can do Jujitsu?

>>52783476
Actual Cannibal, the BBEG will know jiu jitsu

Somebody make a new thread Jesus Christ

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>>52771766
Background Counts are in 5e too, anon. Same problem with adepts.

NEW THREAD
>>52785411
>>52785411

>>52785430
see
>>52777403

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>>52777346
That is already in the books, with Background Count rules in Street Grimoire. Depending on reading, increasing Background Count in an area is very easy, but acclimatizing is very hard.