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>>52746133
kithkin is op to be honest

I'm hoping for a ban soon

Shit OP. Meme culture is for morons. Fuck off.

What do you guys think of having Determined in Living End

>>52746178
All these posts do is encourage kithposters and their ilk. We have to resist by having meaningful discussion.

What are your thoughts on the current health of the format? How do you feel about the format having no competitive traditional control deck?

>>52746272
>How do you feel about the format having no competitive traditional control deck?
Business as usual for Modern.

>>52746253
I could see it in the sideboard if your meta is really control heavy.

>>52746272
Does As Foretold + Restore Balance count as control?

>Those Living End prices
Wow, I built the deck a few weeks ago and the cards were so cheap.

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>>52746307
Sure I guess, but I wouldn't throw that under the umbrella of "traditional" control.

>>52746178
>>52746311
Probably due to the metagame shift towards kithkin

>>52746307
What kind of list do you feel As Foretold could slot into? Does it make a new list? Does it bring anything back into relevance? Genuinely curious to have actual discussion of what it could be useful for in modern here.

>>52746606
I want it to be good but I feel it will only fuel jank combos like expertise did.
Also seems a tad slow. If we get better control cards for the early game maybe it can become a deck

>>52746621
yeah, I'd like it to be good but even the most flexible As Foretold into Lotus Bloom is a two card accomplish what you would have without wasting two card combo and that just seems like far too slow in a format where the game will end a few turns later

>>52746272
>What are your thoughts on the current health of the format? How do you feel about the format having no competitive traditional control deck?
I'll say ban Tron, you'll call me a fag. Then all control decks will lose to Tron on the early rounds of the next GP and get dragged out of day two by Tron's incapability to beat the Burn/Affinity crucible and we're back to asking ourselves why control never shows up.

I'm personally done with this argument.

Thinking about moving from playing edh to playing modern, How much would a budget deck be? Just to get my feet wet nothing tourney winning yet ya know?

>>52746890
$400 min.

>>52747074
Mana base?

>one mana discard is ok
>two mana counters are not ok

Isn't this hypocritical? Both card archetypes fill a similar role.

>>52747108
You can play very budget mono decks with little to no mana base investment like 8-whack, budget 8-rack, stompy, etc that aren't very costly as an introduction and can do fine in an FNM scenario

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>>52747190
What's this then?

>>52747307
>I'll pay 2 and drop a Tarmogoyf
>In response I'll play my 2 mana counter ;^)
>Dude that's a Negate it can't hit Tarmogo-
>I'll play my 2 mana counter ;^)
No.

>>52747307
Why don't you play duress then?

>>52747307
>that flavor text
Kek. Sums it up pretty well. Many - not all - control players think they're decks are so complex but it comes down to permission

Anyone done any actual testing with Living End and some new cyclers? I tested about 10 games and it shit the bed way more than it should've.

>>52747364
You're just a bad pilot.
>10 games
Ha

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what do you guys do to protect your cards in public.

I am an utter idiot and left my 2k deck at FNM Twice now, I have been lucky and got it back but I have had enough, I am going to take drastic measures and attach it to a security cord and attach that to by bag

>>52747378
That's why I asked if anyone did actual testing. Are you an ESL?

>>52747108
Elves is the only deck under $400 that wins. There are cheaper memedecks but those don't do well even at casual FNM and are the kind of crap you'll watch SaffronOlive get buttfucked with on youtube because he's a jankmaster.

You picked a terrible time to start playing Modern.

>>52747442
I keep everything in sight, don't let people go through my binders when I'm not watching them and treat my $4000 investment like its a $4000 investment.

>>52747454
It also runs zero cards that slot into any other deck barring CoCo's, Chords, and basic forests.

>>52747339
Control has always been the deck for people who need floaties and training wheels.
But memerange is for people who don't even attempt to learn how to swim.

That's why so many people hate Modern right now, it's the most high-risk-high-reward format after Vintage but it's also pushed by many stores as the "more approachable non-rotating format" which just isn't true.

If you've ever wondered why Modern is repellent both to the highest level competitors and the noobs, there it is, it's a no safety nets format. Perfect for people who love minmaxing and learning every nook and cranny of their deck and every matchup, horrid for people who want to netdeck and autopilot for 8 hours at PTWhatever or people who just want to learn.

>>52747538
>Control has always been the deck for people who need floaties and training wheels.

GR8B8M8

>>52747500
On a possitive note you can turn it into Legacy Elves for just the cost of 4 Priest of Titania, 4 Wirewood Symbyote and $10 for a set of good chinaman Gaea's Cradle.

>>52747550
>Implying UB control isn't literally "oops I fucked up let me rectify for two mana and probably draw a card out of it".
You have to be a turbo retard to play Draw-Go wrong but there's a billion factors that can make even elite players punt a match with aggro or combo decks. That's why "pros" always go for control or midrange decks, they cause less fatigue and allow for more misplays.

>>52747602
GR8B8M8, post it again

>>52746890
You can build skred red for, what, 200?

>>52747442
First of I'm not a cum guzzling retard to leave my expensive shit all over the place.

I suggest suicide.

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Could you kind anons name a newplayer friendly deck that I could try on Xmage?

>>52748157
Naya Zoo

Pretty straight forward modern deck. Just play your creatures and swing.

>>52747442
2bh this is why I wish thief groups still frequented GPs or any store with a large enough FNM crowd.

The forgetful need to be punished. I am so tired of sitting across from a guy who misses his May clauses ever trigger, and needs reminders on the ones that occur without his prompting.

>>52747442
coat your cards in extremely potent poison that can be absorbed through the skin and wear gloves while playing with your cards

>people aren't already playing vizier of druids, the tier zero deck to end all other fag decks
Holy shit why haven't you just killed yourself

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>>52747568
>mfw chinamen cards are perfect (wasteland) or utter shit (blood moon)
Have they stepped up their game or is still hit or miss?

>>52747568

whats a good chinaman store? I ordered some previously and got the wrong cards with square corners, emails went round in circles like they hope ill give up. I want a few card for my commander deck

Anyone have an Ad Nauseum list that runs Spoils of the Vault? Other decks with Spoils would also be appreciated.

>>52748896
Villa Zheng was the only good one last I checked, but that was almost a year ago.

Pod did nothing wrong

Elves, Ad Nauseam or Infect - which deck should I pick to play leagues on MODO?

>>52747190
You know what you're countering. You don't know that your discard spell wont fizzle.

>>52747667
>skred red
>200
Can't wait to cast stormbreath dragon again.

>>52746133
This meme needs to stop. It is actually triggering me. How the actual fuck can a white deck have a bad match up vs living end? You literally have access to the best grave-hate ever printed.

>>52749306
LE doesn't really care and can still use the namesake as an instant wrath.

Does anyone have a recent skred list?

>>52749391
Heres mine
Land
>20 snow mountain
>2 scrying sheets
Creatures
>2 eternal scourge
>2 pia and kiran
>2 stormbreath dragon
Artifacts
>4 mind storn
>4 relic of progenitus
>1 batterskull
Enchantments
>4 Blood moon
Instant/Sorceries
>4 lightning bolt
>4 skred
>1 roast
>4 anger of the gods
Planeswalkers
>4 koth of the hammer
>2 chandra torch of defiance

Sideboard
>2 ricochet trap
>3 goblin rabblemaster
>3 dragons claw
>2 ratchet bomb
>1 trinispehere
>2 shattering spree
>2 pyroclasm

My meta is all coco and aggro so my deck is heavy on the sweepers

>>52749486
Neat, thanks

>>52749486
So this just folds to Tron every time, right?

>>52749574
What control deck doesn't

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>>52747490
>$4000 investment

>>52747307
Trash.

>>52747190
"Counterspells are not fun" Regards kike

>>52747190
There are two mana counters and one mana discard always has some limitation or drawback.

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

Is Fruity Pebbles t1????

>>52750174
>There are bad two mana counters

FTFY

>>52747442
It's real easy. Keep everything in sight or under the table in front of you (not behind your chair).

>>52750192
Two mana counters have limits, yes. A 2cmc universal counter is OP.

>>52747490
>$4000 investment
Lol kys retard

>>52747442
I play chinamen ((proxies))

>Playing?
Grixis Control and Bant Spirits

>Hating?
The fact that UB Fairies is utter shite

>Brewing
Trying to add Bone Pickers into Grixis list and trade stuff to be able to make Grixis Shadow

Do you people think Bant Spirits have any promising future ahead of them? I recently piloted the deck to two Modern FNM 5(4)-0 and really enjoy it. What would make it a go-to tribal deck over fish or elves?

Is a modern budget bw zombie deck possible?

>>52750231
>A 2cmc universal counter is OP.
Shitter post of the day everyone.

>>52750585
Possible? Sure.

>>52750600
>agreeing with wotc is a shitter post
k

>>52750384
>Proxies
>Jewish trick
they're an ancap trip.

>>52750607
Wotc is retarded so yes.
>3 lands making 7 mana is okay but a 2 mana universal counter is unfair to everyone.

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>>52748944

>>52750635
Go apply for a job at Wizards R&D. I'm sure they'll be impressed by your flawless logic and let you fix the game.

>>52750638
Bottom is right though.

>>52750411
Bant spirits is honestly slept on right now, having disruptive spells attached to almost all of your creatures is insane and being able to counter 90% of the format with queller and protect it with rattlechains is huge. You have lots of threats with flying too which is another plus and can close games extremely fast with captain and geist.

>>52746133
So I've started with the general premise of"
>4x Path to Exile
>4x Fatal Push
>4x Faithless Looting
>4x Lingering Souls
>2x Unburial Rites

Any suggestions that don't boil down to "play something else"?

>>52746178
>he says on a Korean meme trading card website

>>52750701
Well, what do you want your deck to do? What is the strategy here? Are you trying to make a graveyard recursion deck that has disruption?

>>52750672
Not really. When you make all universal cards shit, it means synergy is what's most important. When removal is so bad that you rather play more synergestic creatures/cards, you have the shitshow that is kithkin tribals everywhere.

The face when we are getting there by natural creature power creep already. (Not really, but you probably get my gist.)

>>52750729
Basically I want to run a good old-fashioned reanimator deck with what we have in Modern. Like what was possible when Onslaught was in extended, in fact an Akroma might be something I'd be interested in reanimating.

Mostly because I remember having fun with that deck years ago.

>>52750411
Bant spirits is a good deck, but it is very unlikely to change for some time. Additionally I don't thinkit is in the beat position at a more conpetitive level right now; it gets outpaced by death's shadow pretty simply. That is not to say it can't be played to success, the deck has a lot of play to it and if you are good with it you will be able to take down some of the difficult matchups it has to face.

For it to be better than Merfolk it will need a lot more lords or a big haymaker that benefits heavily from the tribal aspect. If it wants to surpass Elves... it's already better than Elves, for some reason a lot of people are just still attatched to that deck.

>>52750763
e.g. current Standard

Had an MTGO match with a guy running 3 ghostly prisons and by turn 6 had all 3 out. Cost me 6 mana to attack him.

I had burn so I just did that but holy hell that was painful.

What's a good B/W control deck for FNM around $200.

>>52750763
Bolt and Thoughtseize are more harmful to the format than Goyf ever was.

Okay so how about 5 colour Mycosynth Lattice Tron?

>>52751016
It's really control but bw aristocrats is a dick with some pretty good match ups

>>52750953
Have you looked at the Goryo's Vengeance deck for inspiration?

>>52746715
I just like it I can use fate foretold to play garbage like this

Land (16)
1x Blood Crypt
2x Island
4x Polluted Delta
1x Steam Vents
2x Swamp
4x Tolaria West
2x Watery Grave
Enchantment (4)
4x As Foretold
Sorcery (18)
4x Ancestral Vision
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Kari Zev's Expertise
4x Restore Balance
4x Serum Visions
1x Yahenni's Expertise
Artifact (6)
3x Mistvein Borderpost
3x Veinfire Borderpost
Creature (9)
2x Goblin Dark-Dwellers
2x Greater Gargadon
3x Simian Spirit Guide
2x Snapcaster Mage
Instant (7)
3x Fatal Push
4x Lightning Bolt

>>52751383
Delet this

>>52751383
Where are the Valakut decks? Where's Big Daddy Gris?

>>52751026
Harmful... More like what still keeps it sensible. You realize discard is one of the last ways to fight against combos? Nobody plays discard to get rid off 2/2 goblin.

>>52751432
Yes, all the oppressive combos in Modern right now.

>>52751432
What combos?

>>52750763
not to mention when you just get rid of the good cards people just move on to the next best thing and nothing changes.

>>52751511
Yeah, nothing changed after they banned Eye of Ugin. Nothing at all.

>>52746747
Not the anon you're replying to, but holy shit that's some fucking accuracy there

>>52751532
eye of ugin is different from format staples like removal and discard though you mong. If we ban bolt we just move to the next best thing same for discard.

>>52751563
I mean people have already moved on to the next best thing from bolt. It's basically lava spike at this point.

>>52747454
Gifts Storm is under $400 if you swap scalding tarn for flooded strand or polluted delta, fetching your one basic mountain isn't ever a plan.
t. Gifts Storm player

>>52747538
>It's another "modern general hates midrange decks" episode

>>52750304
he probably only payed 3k for it. so he gained 1k

>>52750638
Except 8th, 9th and spirit guide are not healthy for the format and just promote degeneracy

>>52751383
Where is Burn?

>>52751659
All of those things are fine stop crying

>>52751755
Name one deck that plays SSG that doesn't use it to cheese out ridiculous things.

>>52751659
>thinks the hosers in 8th and 9th promote degeneracy
>thinks SSG promotes degeneracy rather than being an indicator of degeneracy

>>52751622
Well midrange is very lame

>>52751789
Ad Nauseam.

>>52751836
>Bridge
>Tron
>Blood Moon
How are these healthy for the format at all?

>>52751861
Anyone who whines about bridge can fuck off

>>52751855
Try again

>>52751861
>Bridge
If you don't have a way to deal with bridge, your deck is shit.
>Tron
Control-fags get btfo.
>Blood moon
Punishes greedy manabase shenanigans.

>>52751871
And that's supposed to be a reason why it's healthy for the format how?

>>52751861
>bridge
Keeps creature based strategies in check and can be answered by a multitude of cards

>blood moon
Keeps greedy manabases in check as well as punishes them, can be answered and played around.

>tron
Tron is gay, no argument here

>>52751921
Why? That's the answer. Ad Nauseam isn't using SSG to cheese things out.

You tend to see a rise in SSG when something else is the format is fucked up (like when Infect was dominating) and decks need to sacrifice consistency for speed to keep up.

>>52751934
>>52751957
>Punishes greedy manabase shenanigans.
This is simply not true. Blood Moon advocates love to jerk themselves off about how their pet card keeps 4-color decks out of the format and punishes people who actually want to play the game but the real reason you don't see more of those decks has nothing to do with Blood Moon at all. In a metagame full of linear aggro decks, playing a 4-color fetch/shock mana base in order to be consistent and cast your spells on time is a real cost. With a card pool as large as modern's is there is rarely a reason to play the 4th color due to the large amount of playables in 3 colors. Blood Moon doesn't even really punish decks like Tron which would seem like the number one target for a hoser like this. Blood Moon is not an answer to unfair decks doing unfair things, it's a card that punishes fair decks for trying to play the game.

>>52751789
name one deck that uses ssg that's a problem in the current metagame and harms the meta.

go ahead I'll wait

>>52751965
>Tap out with no red sources
>Cast Ad Nauseam
>Exile 3 SSG, GG ;^)
How does that not qualify?

>>52751936
How is it not 'healthy'? Because you baby mindlessly crash through it? Because it enables something that isn't aggro beat down. Time to leave

>>52752019
>It's another "My deck doesn't play creatures so that makes me better than you" shitposter
I think it is you who should leave

>>52752036
>it's another "I don't like these cards so they should be banned because muh feelings" poster
I think it is you who should leave

>>52752013
>comboing off is now degenerate
ayy lmao

Hint: Ad Nauseam needs more than Ad Nauseam to win.

>>52751992
3 color that rely on fetchlands are greedy jack nobody said anything about 4color bullshit.

>>52752111
Any mana base that includes non basics qualifies as greedy to you fucking retards

>>52752074
>not playing Ad Nauseam and hitting 3 SSGs, lightning storm and 20 lands so you don't die

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Meme deck or just underplayed?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-wurg-34636#paper

>>52752140
Nah merfolk plays non-basics to play around choke and are less greedy than all islands.

>>52752145
Meme

>>52746747
This. Tron is unhealthy for the format. It kills off conrol decks that arent slamming Karns and Ulamogs and then proceeds to get ass raped by Burn and Affinity.

>>52752145
Meme. Loses to every sideboard card in existence and if you actually want to go off turn 4 you'll have to play the scrap trawler turn 3 and lose to every main deck card in existence

>>52752145
I'd rather people play it than eggs, for whatever that's worth.

>>52751675
>burn
>combo
I hate this meme

>>52752036
Not once did I say this. Sounds like you have self esteem issues, timmy

Any viable equipment decks? Maybe warrior/barb/goblin + heavy equips?

>>52752326
godo + batterskull

>>52752326
Cheerios is the only viable equipment deck

>>52752326
Swords of Things and Stuff are the only viable equipment outside of Affinity.

>>52752359
Anon said viable, anon.

>>52752384
It's really the only equipment deck in modern

>>52752402
>>52752384
Are they viable in any format?

>>52752486
Stone forge mystic decks are viable in legacy

>>52752486
Equipment package with SFM in legacy

>>52752486
Only in formats where SFM is a thing. Some decks like old Bant midrange used to try and force it to work in Modern using Steelshaper's Gift.

>tfw want to build a new deck but don't know what to build
Anyone else get like this?

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Fuck Tron.

Reprint NOW.

>>52752876
I have the problem where I spend hundreds on new decks every month

>>52752931
Why is Tron such a problem?

>>52753098
punishes interactive decks

>>52753098
Polarizing. It kinda ruins the meta. Skews towards aggro and shoves out slower decks (not read as turn 100 durdle fest)

>>52753098
promotes linear aggro and pushes control out of the format. There's also no good way to hate on tron currently outside of GQ+ surgical or crumble because wotc is afraid of land hate.

>>52753098
It's a combo deck with more inevitability than any control deck. All of the combo pieces are lands, so there is no good option to remove them in the format.

If the deck was actually interactive, with a fair card like Wasteland, tron would be less of a problem. But for some reason, wizards is terrified of printing good nonbasic land hate.

>>52753179
The only way to introduce land hate to modern now would be through start Dard and it's obvious they have no idea what they're doing there. Everything good is too stronk and they're afraid people will have feel bads when a wasteland mana screws them out of the game

>>52753314
They'll just replace modern with frontier, we all know it's what they want to do.

>>52753314
Reprint ruination.

>>52753367
that does nothing.

>>52752931
This will not stop tron, gq does functionally the same thing and still isn't good enough. This, lIke blood moon, will only hurt fair decks

>>52753367
What they really need is a permanent that stops lands from producing colorless mana.

>>52753367
>4 mana hate card vs tron

>>52753314
The simple solution is to make all Masterpieces modern legal but not standard legal. Or make anything printed in a modern masters set modern legal, and use it to reprint necessary cards that can't make it through standard.


Or just reprint wasteland in standard. Magic was way more fun back then, standard can be fun again.

>>52753517
That's retarded. Wasteland is better than GQ, and doesn't put you a land behind.

>>52753607
how many wastelands do you plan on using for the tron matchup?

>>52753628
4

>>52753628
4

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>>52753676
>>52753661
then run 4 gq and every one after the first is a wasteland

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Panharmonicon is the Bant Eldrazi mirror breaker

You heard it here first

>>52753628
i'd play along with 4 quarters and the full boat of arbiters. fuck yo manabase nigga

>>52753705
Most tron lists have 2 basics

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>tfw I whir for pic related against Tron
I mean, the matchup is still pretty shit but this card is dank

>>52753705
Nice b8.

>>52753776
In EDH that card is super dank. In a tron matchup, by the time you've shut down tron with it, they're about to start hardcasting wurmcoils anyways.

>>52753814
I can get it out turn 2-3 and coupled with crucible and Ghost Quarter I can win. But I've no illusion I'm not going to get fucked anyway most of the time. Just feels so good when it actually works

Why was the loss of Gitaxian Probe a huge hit to Infect? I don't get how that one card being banned was so detrimental to that deck.

>>52754091
It did everything. Cycled, was free, filled the graveyard. Most of all it gave perfect information so they knew if the coast was clear

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I want to see both Dredge and Storm in tier 1, get rekt maro

>>52754179
>traditional jund in tier 2
Oh how the mighty have fallen

>>52754179
>knightfall in tier 2
We there, boys

>>52754091
>>52754150
This. Just did too much for the deck.

>>52754179
>UW Control above Grixis
Neat

>>52754091
it was a combination of a lot of good anti infect cards like blessed alliance, brutality and push and losing a very key card in they deck.

>>52754179
where's lantern?

>>52754091

Information is key to infect/voltron decks.

>>52754179
>UW Control

aww yeah, played that deck years ago. Glad to see people still play it.

>>52753705
Don't forget to run your 4 GQ alongside a Crucible of Worlds!

>>52754179
Dredge Tier 1?

I haven't seen it anywhere

>>52754179
What the hell is Mardu Tempo?

>>52755034
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-mardu-34840#online

>>52755034
if I had to take a guess I'd say an ass load of 1-2 mana removal/hand disruption, some lingering souls, young pyromancer, monestary swiftspear, and maybe a high end of a walker like sorin or maybe pyromaster

>>52752111
Lol this mentality is stupid

>>52755201
Crying about blood moon is stupid

Just built/bought soul sisters.

How much fun will I be having gaining all kinds of life?

>>52750649
Lol you think R&D test modern? I'd be surprised if they ever even play it in their free time.

>>52755514
>How much fun will I be having
Depends on how much fun you have gaining life. I love slamming me some fatties - nothing gives me more satisfaction in this game, yet people always tell me that tron is one of the most boring decks to pilot.

>>52755514
0 because the deck is trash

>>52755590
They don't test for it but they definitely consider it now. They straight up said the cycle creatures were difficult to design without breaking living end

>>52750638
Yeah mostly agree. Still would prefer fetches gone.

>>52755678
Fuck off

>>52755678
that meme is ironic retard

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>>52755625

>>52755208
I'm not that guy, but what he said isn't wrong. Personally as a DSJ player and former Jund playing around Blood Moon is easy but sometimes you just cant, and for non-red control and midrange decks in can be quite miserable. Its just not healthy for the format, it in no way balances it. That is simply the truth but personally I don't suffer to the card so I dont care

>>52755628
Well at least they seem to be learning a bit after delve and eldrazi happened.

>>52755927
That was what I thought after Psychatog.

>>52755978
Well they will always find a way to fuck something up. I mostly mean that they finally seem to be learning that they can't completely ignore modern when working on standard sets

Someone explain the kithkin meme to me.

What's your opinion on this deck?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shogg-tron/

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>>52752931
>Have a playset of these
>Legacy is dead
>Ghost Quarter is shit

>>52755922
Yes anon, that is how magic works. Sometimes you can't beat your opponents cards.

>>52756115

do not post that evil here

>>52756176
As disturbing as it was, the comic was a great source of reaction pics

>>52756206
Link?

>>52747500
Horizon Canopy, verdant Catacombs, cavern of souls, overgrown Tomb

>>52756206
>>52756304
Nevermind, I found it, and it is hilarious.

>>52751493
>>52751503
Ad nauseum, grishoalbrand, amulet Titan, scapeshift, abzan coco, "infect"

>>52756304
nahhh. just leave it, man. trust me.

>>52756140
Lol okay pal continue to be ignorant. You're understanding of "balancing" is non existent. Oh well good luck and have fun playing burn.

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>there are stupid little fucking KEKS in this thread right now who aren't already sleeved up on their devoted remedy deck considering it's tier zero and if you're not playing it you're a bitch
Seriously why are we even discussing other decks? I watched Jeff hoogland beat every tier 1 deck with it 9/10 times every single one, shit compared to this deck. You're a fucking retard and a botch if you're not already on it, stay delusional

>>52756727
>jeff hoogland
10/10

>>52756654
Stay mad
>hurrr play burn

>>52756727
4/5 I enjoy that you're putting more effort into the shitpost but it's still missing that SOMETHING you know?

>>52756727
>there are STILL remedyfags stuck on Walking Ballista this very second

Sad

>>52755922
Yea, ban rip and stony silence too

>>52756862
What's the alternative?

Uhh Henlo I'm at retard what's the best purchase to get into the game ASAP? I've watched the tutorials online already so all I'm missing is cards And somebody to play with in this 3rd world shithole.

>>52757045
Go back to your shit containment board

My LGS has Modern on a Monday, just got back from it, 10 players, I came 4th with Ponza. Round 1 was savage. Game 3 against Burn I cast Thragtusk, he Skullcracked. Next turn I cast Thragtusk, he Skullcracked. Next turn I cast Primal Command, gained 7, searched up a Thragtusk. He couldn't stop them all :^)

Then against Bant Eldrazi my only card in hand was Inferno Titan. I drew Bonfire and revealed it, then in response my opponent flickered his TKS. The draw was a Blood Moon. I've never heard a bigger "awww fuck" in my life. He beat me and came 1st in the end. 3 of us ended on 3-1, felt weird.

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>>52757069
Pic related. Unstoppable card.

>>52755131

I'd say bedlam reveler also as top end if you spend a lot of cards removing/disrupting

>>52757069

xmage

>>52757232
This has nice art, I'm actually inclined towards building a blue/white deck or a blue/green deck.

>>52757232
HAH

This meme is fucking GREAT

>>52757305
This isn't the thread for you. Also, pointless to get cards if you don't know anyone that plays

>>52757307
Can you believe it's still Modern legal? 8th and 9th edition really need to go when OP beasts like Storm Crow are in them.

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UR Delver or Titanshift/Valakut/whatever the fuck it's called now?

Valakut ends up being a lot cheaper in mkm but seems less interesting

What do I spend my hard earned money on

>>52757402
>ur delver
Grixis is better desu

>>52757402
Buy the one you enjoy playing.

>>52756935
The main difference here being that blood moon punishes you just for playing the game where as those enchantments are comparatively narrow hate cards

>>52757460
Plenty of decks happily carry on with Blood Moon out.

>>52757402
Titan shift is easily one of the most linear decks in the format and if you're considering delver you might get bored of it quickly

>>52757045
I miss the days when this was considered a massively broken OP card that heralded the literal end of Magic.

Is 8 rack competitive yet or just a meme to make my friends not want to play with me?

>>52757422

I know, but fuck Tasigur. I could eventually turn UR into delver though

>>52757440

Having tried them in xmage both have their ups and downs. It's hard to choose one over the other. Slamming scapeshift or just getting valakut triggers from prime time gives me an erection every time, but the game plan doesn't change much, whereas with delver I have a little more variety playing and more room to react and change my game plan

I just don't know.

>>52757543
The second one, though I've had a lot of fun playing against 8-rack myself.

>>52757562
I had a friend quit the game and get angry by playing 8 rack. It's not about winning, it's about making seeing how people get bored and frustrated

>>52757600
Fuck you I played Ponza v Bogles today, your friend don't know SHIT about bad games.

>>52753755
In that case it's still a Time Walk+skip your land drop for the turn for the first two times even if they have natural Tron in hand.

>>52757460
>for playing the game
For playing a greedy manabase that is overly reliant on fetchlands and non basics, not for "playing the game"

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>>52757402

Grixis delver, UR delver is shit now

>>52757600
I know I shouldn't, but I really hate 8rack. I mean, i take my lumps when I lose and try to be gracious, but I still hate it.

>>52757735
>Hurr durr greedy mana base
This is not an argument. People in this thread that masturbate to blood moon consider any mana base that has nonbasic lands in it to be greedy, regardless of its actual composition. Playing nonbasic lands is a part of the game and should not be punished so harshly by a disproportional answer such as blood moon.

>>52757460
>playing the game
Playing 3 colours more or less invalidates the colour pie. That is an advantage blood moon punishes. You act like blood moon is one sided. If it doesn't affect the one playing it, they obviously made deck building sacrifices in order to include it.
Also, do you consider artifact play and graveyard play to not be playing the game?

>>52757769
I consider playing nonbasic lands to be much more a natural part of the game than heavily relying on the graveyard or artifacts. Stony Silence and Rest in Peace don't preclude you from playing answers to them, whereas Blood moon does.

>>52757789
>whereas Blood moon does
Fetch a basic and play [insert any enchantment removal that only requires one color pip here], you mongoloid.

>>52757768
Nigga, fuck off with this. I play a tri colour deck that runs 18 lands. I board in three blood moons and do fine. It's not just mono color players that jam in a moon a reee about non basics

>>52757808
>I always have my answer, a relevant fetch and an otherwise playable hand against Blood Moon decks
What's it like to be so lucky?

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>>52757822
>I play a tri colour deck that runs 18 lands
>I board in three blood moons and do fine
>Blood Moon punishes greedy mana bases

>>52757846
What's your point? Decks that get hit by rip and stony silence rarely have the means to survive through it either.
>I have no access to basics most of the time but I'm not greedy!!

>>52757846
Just kys.

>>52757883
you first faggot

>>52757875
My point is that RIP and Stony Silence don't prevent you from actually playing the game or answering the card itself like Blood Moon does.

>>52757910
Are you retarded, lacking in knowledge of the Modern card pool or just trolling?

>>52757768
>People in this thread that masturbate to blood moon consider any mana base that has nonbasic lands in it to be greedy
Nobody said anything close to that you fucking moron, when you have a manabase that is so skewed towards nonbasics that blood moon hoses you, then you have a greedy manabase. There are plenty of 2 color decks that do just fine under a blood moon, hell some 3 color can either get under it or answer it.

>Playing nonbasic lands is a part of the game and should not be punished so harshly by a disproportional answer such as blood moon.
So playing non basic lands should have no downsides and shouldn't be punishable? You can not only play around blood moon by getting the 1 or 2 basic lands your deck has but you can play around it entirely via deck construction.

Instead you choose to cry about it instead of either
>realizing that blood moon hoses you as a side effect of running a very heavy non basic mana base
or
>building your deck to operate under a blood moon or even just sideboard heavily against it if ti hoses you so much

>inb4 non basics have enough of a downside

>>52757910
>rip
sure stops the dredge deck and graveyard based strategies from playing bucko

>stony
This just in, artifact players weren't playing the game before guys.

>>52757910
Affinity can't even produce mana under a stony silence majority of times, you fucker.

>>52750701
Unburial rites needs targets like Elesh, Iona or at least titans

>>52757928
>So playing non basic lands should have no downsides and shouldn't be punishable?
I didn't say that you illiterate faggot, I said that Blood Moon is too strong an answer card against decks that play nonbasics because most of the time it locks them out of the game if they aren't playing red or didn't have a functional draw that included two fetchlands.

>>52757927
I don't think you are comprehending what I am saying. RiP and Stony Silence are powerful hate cards that shut off certain strategies but it's not as versatile an effect as just making it so you essentially can't tap your lands for mana. It's also much more likely that the Affinity player wins through a Stony Silence than any of these other scenarios.

>>52757959
>Dredge
How are you going to complain when a deck that relies entirely on the graveyard to even function gets hosed by a graveyard hate card?

>lets remove everything I dont like so the format becomes even more creature decks attacking into each other
Go play hearthstone.

>>52757846
>blood moon players always have a sometimes not even 4 of in their decks and it's always unanswerable

Is there no budget deck for MTGO that has any chance at winning?

I've gone up against 10 decks that are in the $250 range and for cards that lose their value instantly I can't justify spending it for online format.

>>52757846
>I always have the Blood Moon in opener and/or the first 2 cards drawn, you don't have a relevant fetch (which is just telling how much penis you suck at deck building) or basics/manadorks and you don't draw the answer nor cards castable under a moon in my christmasland scenario
What's it like to be so lucky?
>>52758007
>It's also much more likely that the Affinity player wins through a Stony Silence
And what's it like being so fucking stupid it hurts?

>>52758007
How are you going to complain when a deck that relies entirely on non-basics to even function gets hosed by a non-basic hate card?

>>52758056
What's it like to be such a massive faggot that you can't accept that someone else thinks there's something wrong with your special pet card?

>>52758083
Because nonbasic land hate cards should be more like Wasteland and less like Blood Moon?

>>52758084
>special pet card?
Son, this is blood moon, not fucking seance or orzhov charm

>>52758084
I can accept a priori that people hold uninformed, retarded and factually false views. I don't accept that they continue to do so after their being such has been demonstrated.

>>52747602
This is literally the most retarded shit I've ever read

>>52758123
How have you proven the opinion that Blood Moon is a disproportionately powerful hate card that doesn't belong in the format false?

>Hurr durr fetch basics
That's not really an argument

>>52758102
Says you?

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>>52746311
They'll never beat the value of my living ends
>Pic related

>>52758032
Anon stop being a faggot and use that peanut brain.

If you're unwilling to put money into a good deck online put money into a good deck in paper.

>inb4 but i have no paper scene/my modern scene is cancer

Then what's the fucking difference between spending money on your hobby to buy real cards and spending money on your hobby to buy digital ones? Or you could stop being a mong and just play on xmage.

>>52758221
I want to like twoo but he just sounds like typical stoner surfer bro and it grates me

>>52758221
Why would I pay more for damaged cards?

>>52758171
If your deck folds to Blood Moon (that you always knew was coming, which unless playing vs Free Win Red that has the nuts on the play) you either
a) were extremely unlucky to not draw a hand that operates under or answers it immediately, you lost more due to general variance than the card itself
b) play a greedy af mana base that has no basics to fetch and/or doesn't play outs to it, if Stony "[artifact-strategy here] loses the game" Silence, or Leyline of the "let's dig for an out before doing anything else oops I already lost" Void is not disproportionate, neither is Blood Moon
c) you didn't fetch basics when given the chance because of either b) or you're just that fucking stupid.

Take your pick. You cannot expect to have perfect mana in the goodstuff colors of your choice every single time and not be attacked on a mana denial axis ever.

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>>52758251
Hey man, he's the grandfather of living end, and that's all that matters in my heart desu.

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>>52758251
WELCOME IN MUCH LOVE, TRAV HERE

>>52758408
Travis "cast Iona, chosen of Emeria and chooses Jew" Woo

>>52758446
Travis "ritual ritual into extinction naming jew" woo

>>52758446
>>52758577
I don't get it. What happened?

>>52758632
To who? Travis "Speaking true about the Jew" Woo?

>>52758632
He went on some tangent about Hitler having a point or something and the backlash was bad for him. Now he's a hippie or some shit

>>52758577
Travis "Cast terminate, targeting the jew" Woo

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>>52758789
So he did nothing wrong?

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>Be in the public eye
>no matter how small
>Think that going off about how Hitler was right is a good idea
Honestly I don't care who you are if you're this much of a retard to think that's okay then you need to be culled

are you guys ready for 5 color bolas?

>>52759001
>>52758908
>>52758643
>>52758577
>>52758446
>>52758408
The thing was, he never said Hitler was right, all he said is that these cases should be analyzed instead of blamed, like: how come a society grew so much anger towards another?
He then said he read the Mein Kampf and that he could see all that anger there, that the status of the German society basically called for that war, which should be studied to prevent future similar situations.
Then people started acting like landwhales when hear that fat is unhealthy.

>>52759168
I believe it. But alas, people are dumb and love their witch hunts

>>52759168
>He then said he read the Mein Kampf and that he could see all that anger there, that the status of the German society basically called for that war, which should be studied to prevent future similar situations.

>Reads Mein Kampf
>"Hey, this book of Nazi propaganda has a pretty good point about these Jews, I AM tired of Jews running everything!"
>Sponsors what happen why u go

Dumbass.

>>52759145
Sure im ready to pick up free wins against shitbrews!

>>52759145
Bolas in a 5 color deck? Sure, why not?

Bolas with five colors? No not really. I wasn't exactly happy Baral was blue either. That dude's color philosophy certainly had some green's side of the blue-green conflict.

>>52759236
You're fucking retarded.

>>52759168
He actually never said anything really bad, but most people didnt watch the stream and just assumed he said bad things, leading to the lynch mob.

>>52759168
I could see this discussion in an academic setting but he's not an academic he's a magic player. There's a reason why a lot of streams don't allow political discourse, it's the wrong place.

>>52759257
And you're an autistic racist and your ilks time on this earth is short :)

>>52759271
>>52759227
This, and to help prove your point
>>52759236
This,∆∆
But the memes are real tho

Good posts guys. Really shits the thread up.

Travis "Honorary Aryan" Woo did nothing wrong.

>>52759304
Just because you have no reading comprehension doesn't make me racist.

Travis Woo is a fag and so are all the /pol/tards who believe he was on their side

>>52759417
You literally just here what you want to hear.
>hey guys ,hate bred this mentality, let's not let this happen again
>omg racist pol tard wtf y u say this shit?!?!?!

>>52759438
>here
I almost needed a rebuttal ;^]

>>52757180
pls be rochester

So can I make an affinity build that doesn't auto-fold to Stony Silence? Go back to the roots of Frogmite and Myr Enforcer maybe, with a little Ensoul Artifact on the side?

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The thread started as shit, and has ended as shit.

The cycle is complete. The shitposting gods are pleased.

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>>52759471

(you)

What's this kithkin deck going around? and Devoted Remedy?

>>52759556
both are memes

kithkin started as some asshurt tribal shitter posting several threads in a row claiming it was competitive

>>52759556
This meme needs to die.

And the jews too.

>>52759578
Is there anything in the modern general that -isn't- memes?

>>52759633
8th and 9th being the cancer of modern :^)

>>52759556
Wait devoted remedy isn't a meme, right? I thought it was just basically abzan coco with an extra combo thrown in?

>>52759668
What is the combo?

>>52759633
Casting Kari Zev's Expertise into Altar's Reap for a three-mana self-replacing kill spell.

>>52759668
No it's abzan coco with a better combo and it doesn't have to run shitty viscera seeds or redcap. It's also just GW, more streamlined and essentially just better in every way

>>52759708
Oh so it is a meme my bad

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>>52759696

>>52759759
But what do you do with the infinite G? It's not like infinite life where you can at least put yourself out of range of most decks, infinite mana means nothing if you don't have payoff.

>>52759777
I think walking ballista is the idea.

>>52759777
Probably chord, tooth n nail, or walking barista.

>>52759777
>>52759788
>>52759795
Also you can use duskwatch recruiter to find your pieces

>>52759777
For one, you're a retard if you really can't think of anything to do with infinite mana. For 2, what you do, is chord for duskwatch recruiter, then draw your whole deck and draw walking ballista, or play Recruiter from hand, or play ballista from hand

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New bread

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