MTG Legacy General

Dredgefag here, I want one build a new deck as dredge is awful against my local legacy scene. What should build?

>>52730441

Belcher. You have LED's right?

>>52730441
>>52731949
I second Belcher. Might Get OLD Pretty QUIVKM thouh

>>52731949
Yeah, I was tempted to build ANT because of that but then I realized how Leovold and tendrils interact.

>>52733469
I don't think you need to worry too much about that. People are still playing storm. Most decks play only 2 copies of leo. Sometimes they don't have it. Sometimes you win before it comes down. Maybe play the 2 decay main that togores likes.

I actually think this formats more stale then Modern recently
I just really dislike playing blue so the amount of viable Legacy decks are reduced significantly

ban terminus

>>52734230
Modern is the same except you trade blue decks for aggro decks.

>>52733532
If Leovold isn't that big of a concern I might just put the deck together, I've been wanting to build it for a while but didn't want to shell out for the seas

>>52735614
I think the deck is worth building. It is fun, interesting and powerful. The lands go into other decks. If you already have the leds I think it's worth it. It'll never be a truly "bad" deck because what it does is so inherently powerful that you can steamroll any deck with tight play and a bit of luck. It might not always be the best choice for a given meta, but you could take it into almost any meta and feel like you have a chance.

>>52735655
Thanks for feedback man, I'll definitely give a shot, now to get a line on some duals.

>>52734715
Yeah but at least the aggro decks are playing different cards. Legacys all about the cantrip shell, Ponder, Preordain and of course Brainstorm. Theres no reason to not play Brainstorm its just that good. I like Legacy but the formats been very stale lately.

>>52736496
I'd rather have decks that play similar cards but work differently than decks that play different cards but all do the same thing.

>>52730422
How do you normally track life when you play?

>>52737968
Pen and paper. Used 2x10d, but sprinning the fucking things gets old quick.

>>52736496
Right, many decks play Brainstorm, but it's probably the most skill intensive card ever printed barring Gush, so it doesn't really get old that fast.

>>52738625
>gush more skill intensive thank brainstorm
Menendian pls go

>>52730422
It has my favourite decks in all of magic with tons of super fun matchups that never get old

>T1 thoughtseize
>T2 collective brutality discarding lingering souls
>T3 flashback souls, therapy flashback therapy

I love fucking up peoples' hands

I want to play enchantress, anyone with experience on it? I'm reading lists and they seem pretty straight forward. I was hoping for more spice.

>>52736496
the cantrip "shell" is just that: a shell. Brainstorm and ponder don't win you the game. Storm and miracles both play the card brainstorm, and yet the way the decks function (as well as the way that they use brainstorm) is vastly different. Meanwhile, in modern, some decks use lava spike, some decks use arcbound ravager, and some use death's shadow, but they all play the same linear aggro style.

>>52742376
There are some spicy enchantress builds out there. For instance:
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=15095&d=291394&f=LE
or
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/524015#online
I don't have any experience playing it but it seems pretty good if your in a relatively light combo meta.

>>52740976
>cabal therapy
>modern

>>52742766
Wrong threas babs.

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>>52742766

I want to put together something to compliment my memerange pile so I have variety and something else to play when we're just jamming casual games and testing match ups

but I have no idea how to play anything other than slam discard into goyf, help

>>52743711
Just proxy some shit up senpai. Try weird shit you'd never normally play. Play some Jank combo

>>52743711
Put together a meme combo deck like Belcher or doomsday. It will be fun to play once every now and then, and you can go back to your memerange after you're done.

>>52743711
Play nourishing lich, it's really awesome

>>52743711
If you want to play something good and different, but in your wheelhouse, I would recommend elves or aluren. Both can play the value/midrange game but can also combo kill relatively consistently.

>>52730422
>they think everyone is just clamoring to play Legacy

>>52746230
>implying they aren't

>>52739481
There is just so much weight on timing it right.

I want to brew something, any suggestions?

>>52734230
I almost never play blue, and I have plenty of decks that win well.

>>52734703
Yes.

>>52747517
The same could be said about brainstorm though. So many people play it wrong.

Hump

Is mill viable in legacy?

>>52746230
What other format would they by hyped to play?

>>52751187
Technically. Theres self mill strategies that work pretty well. if you mean milling your opponent then there is painters stone or some decks using RIP helm

>>52730422
>All the legacy cucks circlejerking.
>With a stale format that has had the same top dog deck for 4 years.
>Implying salt hate isn't better that a lot of autist jerking off to pics of white bordered decks and post on how to build tier 9999999 shitbrews that just want to do what t1-2 decks do but worst
>The format is so bad that the only deck that gets updated is Death and taxes
>Topped by obnoxious i-know-everything namefags
>All threads degenerate in anonymous lying about their richness and Chinamen cucks fighting because the format does not have a figure
You autist should just have let die this general when it was still good and free of the tumblrines namefaggers

>>52751536
Literally none of that is accurate except for miracles being top dog for a few years, and most of us don't even really care because we aren't obsessed to the point of hemorrhoid bursting rage over what the top deck is

Back to your containment zone, unclean one

>>52751331
I dont think people are hyped to play Legacy. Semi-casuals see it as a degenerate format with turn 1 wins. FNM Grinders actually want to play sanctioned Magic and unless you are on the East Coast the Legacy scene is nearly dead, its Standard/Modern or bust.

>>52751608
How are you fine that theres a deck so much more powerful then any of the others? Miracles always shows up as the Top winner without fail. Its not even surprising. One of the recent Legacy GPs ended with a Miracles mirror. If you are actually competitive there is no reason to play any deck other then Miracles, top that off with the deck being horrendously boring to play and you've got a stale format. Sorry I dont find spinning divining tops for 8 hours fun.

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>>52751669
TFW you get to play legacy every week. It's at least a lot more fun than modern, that's for sure.

Standard seems so fucking bad that I don't even understand how there is scene for it.

>>52742734
The bant one looks nice. I'll play around with it online.

>>52751729
The reason why miracles is so represented in top8 is because it's played the most. Sure, the deck is good, but it also has a lot of bad matchups. If you get hit by few of those in early rounds, goodbye top8.

Also, consider this, there will always be "the top deck". Why is your ass so tingly when it's miracles?

>the deck being horrendously boring to play
Your opinion, your loss, abloobloo babyman.

>>52751737
Good for you that you have a scene but the vast majority of towns dont, especially here on the West Coast. Good luck trying to convince anyone to buy into it either. "Yeah just go spend about $2-3500 to play a TCG occasionally" you can try to argue that Moderns prices are similar but they arent, I have 4 Modern decks for the price of 1 of the top tier expensive Legacy decks. I have two Naya Burns one for me and my brother, I have Titanshift, and UR Storm that I need to tweak, all for less then Shardless BUG or Miracles. The decks even have a fair amount of pimp/foil cards and still come nowhere near a Legacy decks price. Yes I have Legacy Burn too because it was only an extra $50 but since theres not a big Legacy scene here I rarely get to play it.

>>52751729
>>52751811
>Miracles
>Horrendously boring to play
>"Pardon me while I don't mention the Modern/Standard format in the least"

>>52751669
Semi-casuals view most formats they aren't playing as degenerate formats with turn 1 wins. Your second issue is mostly an issue with there not being a scene for it, which makes any format except Goldfish (not so popular in the long run) unplayable.

I have taken this pile of jank to Legacy night and it has won a good number of games but I still feel like it needs alot of work but I haven't got an idea on how to improve outside of vial. Apology for if its not up to snuff as I don't come to this thread often

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-06-16-legacy-goblins/

>>52751811
There will always be "the top deck" this is true but the difference between the top deck in Legacy versus the top deck in Modern is vast. Miracles is much much more powerful then the second best Legacy deck, theres a disparity in the power level. In Modern the best deck is DSJ it seems, but theres still a large amount of decks that give it a run for its money and the power level of DSJ is not that much more then Affinity, Eldrazi, Burn, Ad Nauseam and Titanshift. Theres less of a disparity between the power levels of the top decks, giving you more reason to play a deck thats not DSJ.

>>52751932
>>52751811

>TES (or should I go back to AN(...)
>With an obnoxious response, but namefags are not a cancer
>Your opinion on boring does not matter but mine does
There are far more flavors on modern than aggro. You are just hipster tumblrines that cry because they cannot get out of its hugbox.

>>52751932
You may be shocked to learn but some of us actually like the Modern metagame. I enjoy the decks I play, I enjoy the decks I sit down against, I look at new cards and see how they can slot into new or existing strategies, Moderns a lot of fun. Also homebrew decks while not optimal are still decently competitive, I got to see a very good BW Aristocrats Aggro deck last FNM that did very well

>>52752050
This, there are three top tier combo decks right now in Modern (Ad Nauseam, Storm and Scapeshift) the only strategy thats got to push water uphill is Control decks but thats more due to the good control cards just not existing in the Modern card pool.

>>52752050
Thanks for keeping the thread bumped friendo. :^)

>>52752175
I don't hate legacy, I hate namefags like you that just shit this general

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>>52752183
How fucking autistic are you that namefagging is your fucking trigger that leads you to shitpost uncontrollably?

And the namefagging here for the most part is just to indicate what deck you play rather than any deeper notion of individual identity.

So, fuck off retard.

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>>52751891
Burn is literally less than half the price of Modern burn. Upgrading it to UR Delver is feasible if you tire of "trepår'ej" (3-in-face).

>>52751990
Goblins can be a thing if you simply try enough. Go forth to mtgthesource if you want to keep developing it!

>>52752050
I'm with you on Miracles being a boring deck to play, I'd prefer not to if I get to choose. But what other ways to play modern is there really? Control is shit, combo is mostly shit, midrange is doable and sometimes good, tempo died with twin. Do you prefer the format with no clear meta over the format with one?

>>52752080
Brews are a thing in all formats, I had a friend do well with "Mardu-pile" in our legacy weekly just over a week ago. They aren't as prevalent as most people tend to stick with their decks after getting them though.

>>52752183
What did we do?


Also, what the fuck is up with modernfags in legacy general?

>>52752247
>combo is mostly shit
>Storm
>Ad nauseum
>Titanshift
>That green ramp deck with tooth and nail
>Copycat
Wewew lad

>>52751469
There was also that meme mill deck running Hedron Crabs and Glimpse and archive trap that went 5-0. I can't link it right now on my phone but they featured it on This Week In Legacy on mtggoldfish. I remember it looked like an absurd deck.

>>52752247
Burn is the only budget Legacy deck. It is the exception and not the rule. Also combos pretty good in Modern, Aggro is sweet, Midrange is playable, and Control is cancer so who cares lmao. The only reason control doesnt exist in Modern is because Tron kicks its shit in, and the good control cards just arent in the card pool.

>>52752388
So play a budget deck? Have them in multiples?

Right, modern is decent, but still not interesting or interacting in meaningful ways. Control stands for a third of the" base-meta" (aggro, combo, control), something that should be prevalent in all formats at a decent enough level.
Right, nevermind, burn is the control deck in modern! If they can't cast their cards (they've lost) they are controlled!

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>>52752247
Their general is at critical meme mass again. Something about kithkin. Also reading through it reads like one or two turbo autists that are upset about control existing anywhere.

>>52752459
>Control is 20% of modern meta
>Lol is not control if I don't like it

>>52752230
>>52752247
>>52752183
There's a really simple solution here: just don't respond to people who's posts you don't care for.

>>52752504
Can we just all agree that all the magic generals are shit?

>>52752230
>I'm just using name because I want to show which deck I use.
>So I can be the expert on my deck and satisfy my need of being acknowledge an a super know all of a deck and stroke at the tought of being the authority of (insert deck I suck on) here

>>52752715
Well, we are in 4chan, so some level of degeneration is only expected.

>>52752715
I like legacy general. Its pretty nice. I stopped with modern general around the REMAND IS LITERALLY TIMEWALK memes. Never been to standard or edh gen because they are not formats Ive ever had an interest in beyond shitbrews.

Legacy gen was best when it was eternal gen though.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/dumb-shit-3/

>>52752504
Admittedly, all their recent posting about Living End makes me want to try brewing up a Living Death deck.

>>52752844
What is this?

>>52751536
try harder

>>52752887

Some bullshit I play against my brother's storm deck.

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>>52752844
>>52752887
Modern thread is so shit that shit is overflowing. that's what it is.

>>52752861
>Cycle Street Wraith
>Cycle Street Wraith
>Cycle Street Wraith
>Cycle Street Wraith
>play black source
>Dark ritual
>Priest of Gix
>Culling the weak
>Living death
Profit?

>>52752761
I'd be happy to talk about other eternal formats. My LGS is starting pauper and 20-proxy vintage nights later this month, so that's cool. Gonna have to throw the old vintage list back together.

>>52752922

what the fuck do i play with with duels then

most old creatures are shit FYI

>>52752388
>Control is cancer so who cares lmao
pls kill yourself

>>52752999
Bant with efficient creatures would be a fun brew. Stoneforges and some value guys like finks or beaters like geist to carry swords/jitte.

Basically pick your favorite 2-4 creatures and scale back to multiple copies of them

>>52751536
>i-know-everything namefags
I for one barely know anything past the few decks that I play.

>>52752183
I also generally hate namefags/tripfags, but this is different. There are so few regulars here that it basically isn't anonymous, and the names are confined to this thread, so they're actually used as intended.

can't decide which community has a bigger concentration of retards, EDH or modern

>>52753155
On the other hand I do know literally everything about my deck and every other deck ever, including every top8 result since 2006, regional variations, and best species of yeast to use when brewing new decks of any archetype.

Is Canadian threshold still a viable deck choice?
I fucking loved that deck when I played a few years ago but it seems everyone is running delve fatties and that cock sucker drs with four colours or so

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I've been building towards a tournament-worthy gruul deck for a while. It's not so much aggro as it is midrange, but it has severe ramp and gets out trampling fatties by turn 2-3, sometimes 1. It's looking pretty solid, but I still have to answer to the dreaded Miracles.

Is there a gruul response to Terminus?

Best I could come up with without compromising too much power is the Champion mechanic. I've been considering tossing Possibility Storm in.

Also wondering wither Vexing Shusher is preferable to Leyline of Lifeforce.

Should I be worried about other decks, such as Sneak n Show?

>>52753257
I mean, I know that vast majority of the rules, I know most matchups, what cards to watch out for, how to sideboard, how they'll sideboard, etc. but I only know my own decks in depth. I like to think I'm good at brewing, especially after making that slow as fuck modern Mardu control with 10+ planeswalkers work well.

>>52753378
>is there a _____ response to Terminus?
lmao

>>52753228
EDH. There are more Modern players enjoying the game for what it is than there are reasonable EDH players. Also EDH players tend to be loud, unwashed plebians whining when their 7-piece combo gets disrupted by a Naturalize effect.

Regarding namefagging, I've been playing the archetype for the duration of the last three years and feel a connection to it. Screw you, I want it there.

>>52753422
>>52753378
>Response to Terminus
>Quicken
>...
>Duress

>>52753372
Nimble mongoose was muscled out by tasigur and angler, not sure if there is a viable replacement for him

>>52753613
You break my heart

Unban survival, it's the only way to make this format great again or ban drs and terminus

>>52754069
>their goal all along is to usher the demise of Legacy

>>52753034
No you kill yourself blue baby. Im calling Mark Rosewater tonight and getting Brainstorm banned in Legacy. You had your chance to stop but you blew it and now im going into my underground jew cabal and im going to ensure that you never get to say draw go ever again.

>>52755263
Draw... Go!

>>52755263
My turn, untap. Draw for turn. Hmm...go.

>>52756874
>>52755302
Enjoy it while you can blue babbys. The reserved list will ensure that no one will ever play control again. It will be midrange and value cards forever.

>>52757773
>Imblying the duals that memrange needs arent also reserved

>>52753257

Not gonna lie, your doomsday puzzles were what really got me into habitually reading this thread and ultimately preferring it to modern general.

And now I'm even playing ddft on cockatrice. Kill me

how the hell do I fight Miracles as WUB stoneblade? I have a small legacy playgroup where we proxied the duals/FoW after switching over from modern, and our "control guy" is on miracles. Every game feels like I'm solving a rubix cube while riding a bike and getting punched in the thighs

>>52757807
Im implying the reserved list will kill Legacy, which it most certainly will. Its only a matter of time before more buyouts on essential cards or cards that were already high spiking in price even more. The only format left that will be "eternal" is EDH and thats because you dont need the pricy cards for that.

>>52757807
>>52758792
Dual lands that are essential for every deck are already several hundred dollars, even the cheapest ones all break $100 for one in good condition, what happens if the blue ones spike even higher up to $500 for all blue revised duals and bayou? Will people still be able to buy into Legacy then? Even cards that were reprinted in EMA are still pricy. Force of Will in particular only dropped for a couple months and is now just as expensive as it was before the reprint.

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>>52757829
Well then senpai have I got a puzzle for you. This one is, as closely as I could remember, taken straight from a game vs miracles that I played in a side event at GP worcester.

The setup: Game 2 vs Miracles, so we've sideboarded. You're at 16 life. Your opponent is at 18 life with a single (relevant) card in hand, which is Surgical Extraction, a pretty nasty one. But you're not going to get a better chance than this. Your board is as pictured, along with what's still in your deck, plus what's in the grave since surgical makes that relevant in case they decide to surgical in response to doomsday (probably a mistake but worth considering). What's your play?

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>>52760325
I don't play Legacy.
Is this a meme deck as one would say?

Or is DDFT a real competitive Legacy deck.
Honestly the idea seems pretty cool to me.

>>52760565
100% meme. It's not that good, but you can certainly win with it

>>52760565
I'll try to give you a straight answer but do note that I am somewhat biased towards the deck.

The easy answer is "no, obviously that's why no one plays it" but I don't think that's right. I've 4-0'd local weeklies and top8'd moderately sized local tournaments. Another player top8'd an SCG classic with the deck last year, and has 5-0'd a number of MTGO leagues with it over the past few months. I believe that on paper, the deck is as competitive as any other storm variant right now. It has it's pros and cons like the rest of them of course.

The big issue with the deck is that it is hard to play. The nature of its namesake card makes it very all in. The deck is flexible and resillient, but exceedingly unforgiving of pilot error. As such, if all you cared about was winning a tournament, I could never reccomend it as a viable deck. It just doesn't ever have free wins, and if you fuck up your chance of losing approaches 100%.

On a lighter note, the deck is fun as fuck, and with practice, capable of taking down tournaments. If you like combo decks, it's the comboiest. If you're willing to put in the reps to learn it, it's rewarding. If you like not having headaches and not waking up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat realizing you could have won that game, look elsewhere.

>>52760565
It's legit. Of the three primary flavors of storm (Ad Nauseam Tendrils, The Epic Storm, Doomsday) it's the least played and likely the most technical but no less resilient and just as capable.

>>52760325
Different guy, but I like your puzzles too. I put my library like this:

>Ideas Unbound
>Dark Ritual
>Rain of Filth
>Laboratory Maniac
>anything else

Use Top to get Ideas Unbound, cast it, then cast Laboratory Maniac, Dark Ritual, and Infernal Contract for the win.

>>52761462
>just as capable
>never see a doomsday list in the top 8 of a big event

There is a reason people play other storm decks over doomsday (and it's not because doomsday is more difficult to pilot)

>>52761650
I just realized I would be drawing my Top back and wouldn't get Infernal Contract. Instead I use it to get Ideas Unbound first since it's already at the top of my deck, then I cast Doomsday with Dark Ritual, Infernal Contract, and Laboratory Maniac on top.

>>52760325
>tap swamp, Rit into Doomsday
>let miracles surgical if they want, now is their last chance
<top>
Shelldock
Emrakul
Cantrip
Cantrip
Labman
<bottom>
>tap top, play shelldock, hide the Aeons Hip
>hold priority, adjust my gigantic sand-dragging brass balls
>pass

>>52761660
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=12863&d=274726&f=LE
>>52761703
>>52761650
Doomsday is in your graveyard after it resolves. they can surgical it in response to you tapping top, which shuffles your pile and doesn't guarantee you the top card.

Bump bippity boo

>>52760325
I'm going to post the solution to this in a couple hours.

>>52761960
Damn, and here I thought I was being clever

>>52766406

Is there a definite kill to be had this turn? Or is does it rely on misleading the opponent somehow?

>>52767114
There is a definite* kill.

*potential hint:it's actually a probabilistic kill with a very high probability of succeeding but saying that gives away a lot imo, and it's the correct play to go for it here despite being only about 90% to work.

>>52767198
Does it involve spinning top after surgical but before the draw?

>>52767198
>>52767114
I should explocitly state that the kill does not involve misleading the opponent.

>>52767324
yes, if they surgical after doomsday. It also involves certain super secret techniques to increase your probability of winning.

>>52760325
Alright here''s the solution:
[/spoiler]
Were going to do a lab man kill. Generating enough storm and beating the surgical will be tough because of the technique used to beat the surgical.
Swamp->ritual->dday->hold priority and crack led for BBB. cracking led before dday resolves is just trying to bait surgical before doomsday so you don't have to fuck around. Doomsday resolves, pile [Infernal contract, Rain of Filth, Lab Man, underground sea, lotus petal]. Tap top. This is where they should surgical, to shuffle your library. If they do, let it resolve, then with top activation on the stack spin top. If contract isnt in the top 3, cracked fetch for sea. Spin again, cracked and fail to find if necessary to spin again. This brings your chances of finding contract to put on top to draw at 90% or more. Draw contract. You'll have 4 cards left in your deck so you'll draw them all. Rain of filth, petal, lab man, sdt, tap sdt and win. [/spoiler]

>>52768038
phat spoiler

What am I supposed to do? I'm being tempted to build Grixis Shadow in Modern... Will I live to see summer?

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-commander-2017-edition-2017-04-18
So C17 will be tribal, what do you think the obligatory pushed eternal staple will be? Hopefully not just a TNN reprint.

>>52768843
New goblins when?

>>52768922
If they wanted to print some weird answer to Terminus for aggro decks, this is probably it.

>>52768575
Do it. I just burned a hundred burger bucks on various commons because a friend of mine gave me a week to throw together a pauper deck. Seems like a good excuse to play channer's edict, corrupt, and hymn to tourach.

>>52768962
We don't need an answer to terminus.

>>52768843
Goblin
Merfolk
Soldier
Elves
[Spoiler]I just wanted angels tho[/spoiler]

>>52759153

Well, they purposefully printed Force of Will in such a way as to protect the price on the secondary market, so I guess prices not falling worked "just as planned."

There were a few cards that sunk like a stone in price, like Ichorid and Cabal Therapy. It's a pretty good time to get into either Dredge or Reanimator with what they reprinted at the uncommon/rare slot.

>>52730422
>implying modern isn't nearing legacy prices

>>52769090
Goblin
Merfolk
Elves
kithkin

>>52734230
>I actually think this formats more stale then Modern recently
It is but Legacy players are blinded by their pride. I still prefer it over Modern, but Legacy and its playerbase have its fair share of flaws too.

are all TES players filthy namefags?

>>52770242
All storm cucks

>>52770267
don't compare regular Fetchland Tendrils players with The Epic Doomsday Namefag snowflakes

>>52770343
>regular fetchland tendrils
I think you mean IGGy Pop

>>52770242
Of course. How else would we know how cool they are for playing the shittier storm variant? For some reason every storm player who doesn't pilot ant needs validation for their wrong deck choice

>>52770242
No, I'm the only one here. Some guy was here for a bit early December, but seems to have lost interest in the Legacy General.

>>52770343
DDFT is way cooler than TES but I prefer to keep my brain in a semi-solid state.

>Gosh! Look at all these name fags shitting up the threads!
>I better stir up as much shit as possible until everyone sees that they keep shitting up the thread

>>52771604
There wouldn't be namefag shit if namefags didn't existed in first place

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>>52771331
>Playing ANT right nao

>>52771604

Well what do you expect them to do, go back to the Modern thread and complain about how "utterly broken" the tron lands are in their format?

Here's something I've been mulling over, what would you, personally, name the deck with the Worldgorger Dragon/Sunscorched Desert combo we discussed in the last thread?

>>52771836
I would name it shitbrew

>>52771604
>>52771732
>expecting to win an Internet argument
Instead can we discuss this cephalid breakfast list?
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15228&d=292447&f=LE

>>52771836
Dragon desert? I dunno that actually seems hard to name

>>52771836
Unplayable trash

>>52771836
DRAGONLAND
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BE2XjC5p0Yg

>>52771836
Dessert Gorger

>>52771915

oooh. That's a strong one. I like this one.

>>52771836
World Scorcher
Land bouncy pingy burny
Everything I reanimate turns to ash
some planeswalkers just want to watch the worldgorger burn

>>52771870

Hot damn! I'm glad to see Cephalid Breakfast break a top 8 again. Only running 3 Nacromoeba seems super risky. I just knew Recruiter of the Guard would make a good fit for that deck, though.

>>52772184
What I want to know is why theyre not running shuko. With a stoneforge package it seems worth a slot.

>>52771870
wait he has an underground sea but is too poor for tundras?

>>52771836
Summer Jam

>>52771836
Sandstorm

DUDUDUDU

>>52772816

DEEP HURTING

>>52771836

POCKET SAND

I'm coming from modern hoping to get a legacy deck going. I love tempo, but I also love graveyard shenanigans akin to reanimator. Would delver be the way to go or ub reanimator. I'm not really interested in a deck like r/b reanimator

Open to suggestions

>>52770242
>>52770343
Why is everyone so angery

>>52774701
You get to play Daze if you pick up UB reanimator. It's an excellent tempo spell and Griselbrand is a hell of a drug. Why the disinterest in BR? I have the cards for both and I've settled on the black red variant personally.

>>52774763
Names really upset some people I guess.

>>52775032
>Why the disinterest in BR?
I just like more play in my games I guess. I could be wrong but doesn't the red variant aim to win before anything even happens? Then again, maybe I shouldn't be playing combo at all if that's what I want

>>52775053
You are correct, and I have played both variants and I think UB is more fun. You will definitely interact more with your opponents, as opposed to the RB version where the goal is to mulligan to a hand that can shit out a turn 1 griselbrand. It was really popular when the eldrazi decks were very good, but now that they have died down a bit ub may even be a better deck is some metagames.

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>>52774701

Time to pull the old chart out from storage.

>>52768843
U and G are obvious - Merfolk and Elves
R can be Gobbos, Humans or Dragons, since Stompy uses the two tribals Gobbos are like 80%
W is human or soldier, maybe Angel but that's reaching
Black? Could be Vampires, Spirits, maybe Zombies.
Anyway, nice annoucement

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>that feeling when you finally buy a Legends-print Karakas with Store Credit

FUCK YEAH EMILY DICKINSON

>>52775262
>Necro 2.0
where can i find an actual list of this sheit

>>52776617

Necro 2.0 aims to abuse Necrologia by drawing 15+ cards on your end step by using instants to generate storm, and then winning with the Quicken + Tendrils kill. This is just what I found on it. Here you go:

// Lands
4 [8E] City of Brass
4 [WL] Gemstone Mine

// Creatures
4 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide
4 [AL] Elvish Spirit Guide

// Spells
2 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [SHM] Manamorphose
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [GP] Quicken
4 [EX] Necrologia
3 [US] Tolarian Winds
4 [FUT] Pact of Negation
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [TO] Cabal Ritual
4 [US] Dark Ritual
4 [US] Gamble

>>52776617
The charts insanely out of date and I'm not sure why anon bothered to trot it out.

>>52776769

It's not THAT out of date, and it's funnier than the updated one someone made. People said Cephalid Breakfast couldn't win anymore but it just top 8'd.

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Here's the updated chart

>>52776985
Still meme trash if someone actually wants real advice on decks

>>52777375
>legacy
>not meme trash
Pick one

>>52777375

Well aren't you just a little bitter ray of sunshine.

>>52778008
Ummm no? Guy wants legit advice, you post this crap. Not really helpful

>>52778241
>Ummm no?
*grabs him by the throat*
Back the fuck off??!?!?

>>52778360

*Astral slides behind you*
*unsheathes katana*

>>52778372
*it was a hologram*

Haha legacy general is so much better guys

>>52776985

What kind of idiot runs primetime in nic fit?

>>52778378
>>52778372
>>52778360
Not sure if autistic or pretending to be retarded. I like it either way.

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What is the most pure, fun and intricate deck?

And why is it Delver?

>>52781185
delver is gay. I play legacy to do fun and sometimes broken things, not hit you with a 3/2 flier over several turns

>>52781344
Shit taste desu

Bippity boppity bump

>>52781185
Isn't Delver pretty shitstained-dirty? Often playing 3-4 colours, no purity to be had. Rarely using white?

>>52781185

To me, Delver decks are Control in its purest form. You ping away with a shitty creature while you control the board and opponent's via countermagic. And you just keep plinking away, turn after turn, slowly moving that inevitable clock forward.

It's not for me because I hate double-sided cards (the whole taking them out and flipping them in a sleeve thing), but as someone who plays Pox I would be remiss if I didn't say I understand the appeal.

>>52781185
>the most pure
Ad Nauseam Tendrils
>fun
Subjective but at their core, show and tell/ reanimator have that certain Timmy appeal that a wide variety of players can feel, whether or not it's their style.
>intricate
Burn.

I love Delver but I hate flipping cards. Especially since I can't use extra copies as a token for the aberration side. Those check box cards are fugly.

>>52781185
I don't play or really care about miracles, but look at that fucking deck. It's beautiful how everything in it comes together. The synergy between miracle spells, mainly terminus, and countertop into brainstorm shenanigans...

Mostly decks that come together very nicely are so appealing to me. I like how dredge builds on itself and just happens to have all the cards it needs to form a good solid 60 cards to combo off (LED version, manaless is kinda wonky to my eyes).

>>52786271
>It's beautiful how everything in it comes together. The synergy between miracle spells, mainly terminus, and countertop into brainstorm shenanigans...
It's literally just putting Miracles on top with top and brainstorm. I'm not speaking on difficulty of piloting, just these awe inspiring synergies are not all that.

>>52785923
>>52785490
Why would you need to take the cards out, I have several playsets of delver. Just use clear sleeves on a few outside the game

>>52787861
>on a few outside the game
Something something competative play.

>>52787861
It not so much awe inspiring synergy as it is simply a clean fit.

>>52787899
I play like this at tournaments all the time. It's no different then storing your own tokens

>>52787974
Oh really? That's not what I was told. I suppose I should ask a judge rather than listening to my friends.

>>52787974
Neat, gA confirms >>52788080
I have a set of foil Delvers ready to go now that my autism has been pacified.

>>52781185
>intricate

The very first time I played a delver deck at my local weeklies, I went undefeated 4 weeks in a row. Delver decks are not hard to play, the pilots just like to delude themselves into thinking that it is the most skill testing archetype. In fact, I would go as far as to say that they are one of the easier decks to pilot, up there with value-midrange strategies in terms of simplicity.

>>52785923
>intricate
>Burn
is this actually true? I've seen people say it's easy and pretty boring after a while

>>52788388
Sounds like a case of your opponents being scrubs. They're not mind breaking levels of difficult but not as easy as you make them out to be.

>>52788472
Pure tongue-in-cheek friend.

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Which Counterspell should I run, /tg/?

>>52789621
Left. Alternatively, right if you can get a first or second edition printing.

>>52789621
Use the invocation

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>>52789770
A/B printings are expensive as h*ck and actually quite ugly (regarding the inking)

>>52790477
disgusting

>>52790795
I can't wait to get some dark ritual invocations.

I know it's a ways away but any of you chuckle fucks going to GP vegas?

>>52792455
Nah. I love this game but if I'm going to vegas it sure isn't going to be in order to play cardboard

>>52792455
Will you buy me a ticket?

>>52792455
I'd love to go but I'm getting married and can't afford it. Incidentally, a friend of mine is no longer getting married and now can afford it, so he'll be going. Clearly he's coming out ahead in this deal.

>>52792894
>marrying someone you clearly aren't madly in love with
You're kinda retarded

>>52793201
>joke
>your head

>>52793201
Desu I married a desperate 4/10 for the tax break. She just plays her mmorpgs and occasionally cleans my mother's house for pocket money and I throw the meat to her once every other week and she's happy. And my income tax fell 10%

>>52793360
What a sad life

Does anyone have the link to that chaos elves list that ran way over 60 cards in the main? I believe it placed in some European tournament

>>52730422
I've only played Legacy twice all year and am starting to think having more than one deck is a waste of money.

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>>52789621

>>52793735
JUDGE

>>52793735
>>52790795
>>52789621
>tfw filthy modern player
>tfw not allowed counterspell

Does anyone have a picture of the full folded deck?

>>52794006

But Modern-kun, you get to play with Cancel! That's just ONE generic mana more! It's such a bargain!

>>52770242
All Grixis Delver players are filthy namefags too (I would know - I'm one of them) :^)

>>52734230
>I just really dislike playing blue
That's like saying "Modern sucks right now. But I just dislike playing Black". Or disliking playing White or Green in standard
Regardless, I'd say Modern is actually in a really good place and there is a ton of room for brews. The most powerful deck is a deck that isn't really that oppressive to "fair" decks vis a vis legacy.

Ultimately, I end up playing a lot of Legacy because it's fun to play shit like Force of Will and Brainstorm. Modern is fun to play too - I rep Grixis Shadow there.

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>>52789621
>He doesn't run musclegirl counterspells

>>52794481
Better yet, just play Stoic Rebuttal and Seat of the S- oh wait you don't get artifact lands eitherr

>>52793735
Oh god. I remember him. Anyone got a cap?

How do you guys feel about Emma Handy's UR Delver?

>>52797749
No goyf no play

>>52797870
I have goyfs. Canadian is life, but it's so bad right now. Grixis is probably straight better, but Price of Progress is a very powerful card.

>>52798240
Yea I know it's bad but rug is life for me. Also I don't want to buy other duals right now.
I even play rug Delver in modern so I can deal with shitty. I just like Canadian too much

>>52797749
There really isn't any non-economic reason not to play G or B in Delver.

>>52798285
>always thought being loyal to a color combo was autistic
>others do it too
Neat

Is there a tipping point where a non format like Legacy or Modern becomes too unwieldy? I.e. skyrocketing prices on the older cards and lack of balance due to too many cards?

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>>52797034
Yup. I know this guy in person lol

>>52798573
Non rotating*

>>52798573
We've been there before.
Pod and Survival decks ruined both formats making them about a single semi-perfect deck that only lost to exceedingly bad luck or complete incompetence.

>>52798654
it'll never not be horrifying

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>>52798654
That's genuinely obscene.

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>>52798654
What the hell is wrong with you guys. Only point to own cards is to be able to play sanctioned tournaments and you guys go and make them tournament illegal.

>>52776985
Why are Miracles and Stax swapped?

Teach me how to play DDFT.

>>52799552
Folded cards are completely sleeve legal.

>>52795174
Any chance you could provide your list for Grixis Shadow? I'm tempted to build it so that I can try out Modern and give it a personal evaluation. Also the deck looks cool AF.

>>52798494
Sans-white, or preferably Grixis, is the true way in all formats (y). I don't know why but my magic playing friends have stated that they'd also place me in a RBgu personality ~~

>>52800449
There's a lot to it. I've made some videos about it. Production quality is low, be warned. Shameless self-promotion:
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCD0Os6qvXicEZl6gJ_xPXGw
Maybe start by just watching some game play videos, and then learn some piles, and then try some games yourself on xmage.

>>52800847
Neat, thanks. I'll do that.

>>52798654
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>52800755
>Any chance you could provide your list for Grixis Shadow? I'm tempted to build it so that I can try out Modern and give it a personal evaluation. Also the deck looks cool AF.

Word man, here it is:

Creatures (16)
4x Death's Shadow
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Street Wraith
2x Tasigur, the Golden Fang
2x Gurmag Angler

Sorcery (11)
4x Thoughtseize
4x Serum Visions
1x Rise // Fall
2x Inquisition of Kozilek

Instant (15)
3x Fatal Push
2x Kolaghan's Command
3x Lightning Bolt
2x Stubborn Denial
1x Terminate
4x Thought Scour

Lands (18)
4x Polluted Delta
4x Scalding Tarn
2x Bloodstained Mire
2x Blood Crypt
2x Steam Vents
2x Watery Grave
1x Island
1x Swamp

Sideboard (15)
1x Anger of the Gods
1x Ceremonious Rejection
1x Collective Brutality
2x Countersquall
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
2x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Rise // Fall
2x Stubborn Denial
2x Surgical Extraction
1x Temur Battle Rage
1x Terminate

The deck is really brutal to face. My local meta is pretty "diverse" but I like running a lot of counters and cards like Rise // Fall which just absolutely brutalize the large amount of combo and other DS decks I face

>>52800465
No. No they are not. If you fold your card in two, it's considered marked. Of course this is one of those things that is up to judge. Also, can we talk shit about FTV foils and them being tournament illegal out of box. People don't shit on those shitty foils enough for WotC to care.

>>52802875
Just flatten them.

>>52756874
>Demon Stompy
color me interested

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>>52803410
Start with four of these.

>>52803410
Suplament with four of these.

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>>52803558
>these

>>52803410
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/28-09-16-demon-stompy/
Here's my list, but I haven't played in 6 months, so if there are any new cards that fit well, let me know.

The key sideboard cards are the Leylines and Massacres. I know Massacre is a shit card, but it works wonders in the D&T matchup after you lose game one.

>>52803575
Wew black has awful stompy targets.

>>52803575
No Boodgift demon?

>>52803642
Nevermind, I thought desecration demon was a 5 drop.

>>52803575
thanks
context is that i'm thinking about dipping my toe into legacy as the lgs is starting a full-proxy league. any pointers for someone who knows dip about the format? i don't expect the locals to be tier 1 or pro players we're v cas. any primers on this deck worth checking out?

>>52803642
my guess is the extra mana hurts?

>>52803575
Demonic Taskmaster

>>52803626
It's not so bad when you're playing them. When they can't do anything the demon kills them in a few turns, and Strike Leader puts in a lot of work.

>>52803642
>>52803663
Yeah, even the 4 costs are sketchy, especially after Nether Void.

>>52803669
I was going to say don't waste your money, but if it's full-proxy, go for it. Practice on XMage first, it's surprisingly difficult to play. Let me know how it goes.

>>52803686
That isn't new, but I guess I can squeeze in a couple so the deck chart stays accurate.

>>52803410
>color me interested

8x Sol Lands, 4x Chalice of the Void, and then whatever shit demons that have come out recently. Have fun!

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why the fuck does imperial painter run pyroblast/reb mainboard? t.scrub

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>>52804284
Blue.

>>52804406
well im dumb thats a neat interaction

>>52804444
Innit? The high density of blue in legacy doesn't hurt either.

So I'm back to legacy for the first time in like a month.

Do I play ANT because I know it, or grixIs delver for memes?

Does anyone have the last updated decklist for Hypergenesis? I realize it's been outdone by Sneak & Show, but I just wanna see something past 2012.

>"iconic" masters announced
>"all your favorite dragons, angels, hydras, and sphinxes!
>$9.99 per pack

This is either brilliant fleecing of casuals or the dumbest tone-deaf decision from Wizards yet, I haven't figured out which.

RIP in pieces eternal masters 2

>>52804683
ANT with four Delvers. It's GENIUS!

>>52804781
>set includes a selection of Timmy bate
>but also true duals and marks the abolish mentioned of the reserve list

>>52804828
Not ant with 4 pyromancer?

>>52804869
No no, that makes too much sense. They won't be expecting tendrils after a Delver. Goddamn I am a tactical mastermind. Normally I charge money for this kind of meta busting advice so consider yourself lucky.

>>52804908
>they won't be expecting tendrils after a delver
They will after you flip it off the top.

>>52804863
This.

There is no spoiler, why else would they do that?

>>52805178
The flip is optional, checkmate atheist!

>>52805225
Fair enough, carry on then.

>>52804781
... I feel like I'm out of the loop, someone please enlighten me?

>>52805249
Nevermind, what the actual fuck. Seems ominous.

>>52803669
If it's full proxy, go mono red stompy. You get 8 blood moon effects (blood moon, Magus of the moon) plus Sin Proder and Goblin Rabblemaster. You can also use simian spirit guide to good effect and jam main board Trinisphere.

>>52804828
>ANT with four Delvers. It's GENIUS!

Some storm players in Vintage legit use Pack Rat in the sideboard.

Zabuza sword cannot be beat!

>>52805377
>no nether void

>>52805747
B L O O D M O O N
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M
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>>52805802
>LotV
>Victim of Night
>Phyrexian Tower+Strike Leader

>>52804863
Dream big friend. Dream big.