MtG Modern General

>Do you still play decks with Bolt in them?
How else would I play burn?
>Will the new Morbid Delver bird with Deathtouch see any play?
Probably
>What about Harsh Mentor in decks outside of Burn?
I wouldn't see the point, but stranger things have happened

>Do you still play decks with Bolt in them?
Yeah sometimes. U/W control is my main squeeze though
>Will the new Morbid Delver bird with Deathtouch see any play?
Not a chance
>What about Harsh Mentor in decks outside of Burn?
In the sideboard yes

>>52729777
>been playing Burn as my modern deck of choice for quite a while now
>know the ins and outs of the deck generally make top 8 at FNM with it
>watching someone play the deck facing Living End after my match ended
>making mistake after mistake, even small things like the way he sequenced his lands
>fucking running Blood Moon out of SB
>slams it down with a fucking Boros Charm and Destructive Revelry in hand locking himself out of casting colored spells
>his opponent plays a Madcap into Platinum Emperion next turn
>could have easily won by Reveling the Emperion and Boros Charming next turn
How the fuck can people be so bad at playing such a simple deck? To make it even worse he had a fucking anime mat.

>>52729854
Holy hell.
Jesus you'd think one would learn about the deck before playing it, or at least fucking read blood moon.
Anyways burn bro, are you going to run harsh mentor?

>>52729918
It was just mistake after mistake. Like fetching tapped shocks with a Fulminator out, or not floating a mana from a land that Fulminator hit so you can cast a two mana spell.
On the subject of Harsh Mentor I will not personally be running him, I think hes a great card and he certainly pulls his weight in some of the harder matchups for Burn such as Merfolk, Affinity, and Bant Eldrazi, but overall I feel like Lavamancer is still better as hes always able to get in for damage as long as he isnt removed. I like Mentor, I really like that he hoses Eldrazi Tron and Affinity but its hard for me to find room for him in such a tight list. Still the thought of having both Mentor and Eidolon down at the same time makes me consider running it just for a few nights. I personally dont see a lot of Affinity in my local meta which factors into the decision a lot since Mentor absolutely destroys that deck.

>>52730008
Was it their first time playing the deck? I know when I went from just playing a friend at my house to an actual shop I made mistakes just from nervousness/not being used to playing against any other deck. But on the other hand the blood moon in naya burn is so fucking retarded.
And yea, I don't think mentor would be too useful for my meta but I'm still going to pick up a playset.

>>52730129
I have no idea, I just like to watch Burn matchups and compare what they do to what I would do. I weep when I see the deck played badly. Ill try to find a few Mentors at Prerelease. Im excited for the cards in Amonkhet, hopefully see some new strategies emerge in Modern from them.

>>52730129
I almost think Mentor slots into and reinvigorates RW Taxes with Arbiter, Ghost Quarter amd Thalia to really mess with your opponents manabase.

>>52730150
>>52730168
Besides mentor I'm pretty stoked for the green god since I'm going to be building mono green stompy once I finish burn (still need some fetches, an eidolon, and some sb cards)
Also maybe red white hatebears will be a thing, I'd build the shit out of that

>>52730168
Hatebears will never be good. As much as I love the deck It's pretty obsolete nowadays. Discard the relevant one and remove the rest. Even if it gets a soft lock going the deck lacks a consistent threat to end the game before the opponent recovers. It's trash.

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How do I improve my goblin deck?

>>52730394
Scrap it and play affinity or shadow jund.

>>52730394
Play reckless bushwhacker?

>>52730405
These kinds of responses are neither clever nor helpful.

>>52730394
Match your mountains

>>52730411
I think Goblin Bushwaker is better

>>52730425
Yeah, 6 unglued mountains would be nice

>>52730433
We'll isn't that real fuckin neato

>>52730394
Build red green 8whack. Run goblin grenade. Cut out the caverns. Ignore trolls. Good luck

>>52730394
>>52730411
>>52730433
The deck is supposed to play a set of both.

>>52730419
I'm just giving it to him(you) straight. It's no sense in running these subpar decks and getting railroaded by a tier 1 deck. What is goblins gonna do against affinity,shadow jund and tron/eldrazi? Do you go around buying players free packs? Because that's essentially what you are doing by showing up at a tournament with a deck like goblins.

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>>52730394
Play Goblin King + Blood Moon. The jank must flow!

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>>52730272
[non-euclidean penetration intensifies]

>>52730272
Boo

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>>52730544
Can a photoshopfag do that up like pic related? I feel like it will be relevant for future threads.

>>52730544
EnT is the most inconsistent of the bunch and It's manabase horrendous.

>>52730519
You have to believe that someone who is playing goblins either can't afford a better deck, or just wants to have fun playing cause they think goblins are cool. They want to be the best they can...as long as its with goblins. Telling them to just play affinity isn't helping. Anon didn't say: what deck should I play to win, they said how do I make my jank shit better.

>>52730516
This. Just look up 8 whack lists and copy that shit

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>>52730571
not at all! it's secretly a flickerwisp+processor deck. you probably just pilot it poorly due to lack of experience.

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>>52730516
I don't really know what to take out to fit it in. Krenko's command?
>>52730489
The grenades are there mate. Maybe I'll take out the caverns since nobody plays the shitty modern counterspells anyway.
>>52730530
Yeah I have them in the sideboard
>>52730519
>>52730578
This desu I just want to have some fun. (Plus I had all the expensive cards already from legacy decks, so I only had to buy cheap gobbos and the shocklands)

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>>52730614
Here's the most recent Goblin list to put up results in an MTGO modern league: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/478349#paper

Hope that helps, my dude.

>>52730715
Thanks my man.

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>>52730394
play another atarka's command and a copy of become immense. do some other stuff.
here's what i'd play if i were on 'goblins' for modern.

>>52730394
Playing kitchen table goblins lets you swipe games in a group setting, and they never learn

There's two ways to play Goblins:
>Go crazy and blow up everything/suicide run your buffed army into their face.
>Make Goblins at a very casual pace: fast enough to make you defensible but not enough to be threatening

The second one never fails while playing against a group of more serious players, because you don't look like anything that they have to worry about. Then you just be opportunistic and kill the last guy after they've all duked it out, springing your win con.

I never got to ask yesterday. How did everyones FNM go?

I took Knightfall again and went 2-1. Beat burn and affinity but lost to tokens after getting my spell queller removed late game and he went free lingering souls into flashback lingering souls 2 games in a row. Still went 1-2 that round, though.

>>52730867
i went to work and rode bikes instead. i'll play modern tomorrow though.

>>52730867
2-1 with U/W control. Lost to dredge. I pack a decent amount of hate cards in the board but second game had to mull to 4 and didn't draw shit. Got wrecked. I beat a kiki chord deck, and elves though. Fun times.

>>52730867
Went 3-1 with unfinished burn.
Spirits, storm, grixis control gg ez.
Lost to fucking bogles tho. Game 1 he had the nut draw, game 2 I didn't draw any of my enchantment hate and he outraced me.

>>52730786
Become immense fueled out of what, a few fetches? Besides that, the only reason to play goblin is to avoid spending too much on the manabase, wich is why nobody runs AC

>>52729483
>Delver of Deathtouch good?
Grixis delver will get better because of it.

There is yet a way to play magic online without a broken system or a pay for your fucking cards way?

Last time I played this they was selling urza's saga boosters in shops so uh

>>52730394
Squeeze in somewhere reckless bushwacker and rabblemaster? Atarkas is nuts, I would run full playset.

>>52730394

Get rid of green, add the other whacker and devastating summons

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>>52730821

I love kitchen table goblins just because I can play this guy

I wish they reprinted him somewhere

>>52730519

Against DSJ 8whack player is fucked, against affinity it can win. The biggest problem with 8whack isn't the lack of the power but inconsistency.

>>52732216

On second thought DSJ matchup isn't as bad as I thought it was. All you need to do to close the game is goblin grenade+bolt/other grenade.

Still the deck is inconsistent as fuck and that doesn't change no matter the matchup.

>>52730715
What about goblin wardriver?
It doesn't give haste but it also doesn't depend on you playing another spell the same turn.

>>52732352

You want whacker. If you play ogblins you have enough 1 drops to kind-of consistently cast him T3. Lack of haste on wardriver is the dealbreaker (and the fact it doesn't give haste to the other creatures that entered the battlefield this turn).

Just compate:

T3 - float 3 mana, devastating summons, sac 3 lands, whacker -> 10 damage on attack +your other goblins

T3 - wardriver +one drop goblin -> damage done just by your other goblins

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>roommate convinces me to play mtg
>buy some preconstructed deck
>draw nothing but lands and vehicles, roommate discards my deck
>draw nothing but vehicles and creatures, roommate discards my deck
>draw nothing but lands and spells, roommate discards my deck

what's the easiest way to hide the body?

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>>52729483
>bolt
haven't taken a bolt deck to fnm. too much big mana, eldrazi, combo, death's shadow. instead i play the only red deck with no burn
>harsh mentor
it's pretty cool, i'd wondered if Burning Tree Shaman was playable in any capacity and concluded that it was probably 1 cmc too high to be considered. i do hate that the effect is not symmetrical...
i could see singleton mentors showing up in chord lists

>>52730867
2-2 on grishoalbrand
R1 outraced dredge to win in three. both of us got a turn 4 kill but i got a turn 3 in. pretty fast in the post-probe meta
R2 drew wrong half of deck and lost to btl scapeshift
R3 punted game 3 against gb elves by slamming wurm instead of pyroclasm (tho he was running an unusual number of ways to kill without combat)
R4 mooned grixis control out of black mana g3, wurmed him. game 1 i got to instakill him when he tapped low for a k command in my end step. i probably would have lost had he been more familiar with the matchup
i still ended up with store credit but i was mad salty about losing to scapeshift and elves. sometimes i steamroll and sometimes i'm reminded how easy it is to lose to the deck or myself. there was also a pickup game i had against junk where he led with hierarch, discard, discard, ooze and where i hardcasted 2 griselbrands. i lost ultimately but it was a pretty entertaining game

>>52732427
wrong thread but try shuffling better? i guess if you want to get into modern there are some pretty consistent decks. btw precons are a waste of money

newfag here. Is return to ranks worth it to run in my budget soul sister deck?

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Just when we thought morbid triggers couldn't get any worse, what the fuck was wizard thinking printing this?? Even goyf is vulnerable to this crazy removal and its so cheap, pop a fetch hurr durr now your goyf is dead, sure do love Fatal Push, great job wizards

>>52732585
Well maybe you shouldn't be playing goyf

>>52732585

Are you mad at path to exile as well anon?

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>>52732585
>tfw I play a deck with 32 1-2 cost removals just to enrage people

>>52730867
Went 4-0 with Abzan shadow. Beat the mirror round 1, got to maelstrom pulse all 4 of his shadows in game 3 which was sweet. Round 2 against mono white death and taxes, opponent makes a bad block in game 3 that costs him the match. Round 3 against skred, cast 5 discard spells in game 1 and they can't answer a single deaths shadow, game 2 I get to play exactly one turn before my opponent concedes for missing his second land drop. Round 4 against BG zombies, it's a slow grindy midrange deck that can't deal with big threats early so I just kill myself on turns 1 and 2 and attack past his dopey grave crawlers. Despite being at table one for the last two rounds my friend who also went 4-0 amd got the pair down in the final round placed first which was a massive tilt

>>52733074
You actually don't and you just came up with an autistic scenario so you could post your faggot anime image. You're a fucking loser, I'm not that guy, I think fatal push is fine, but you clearly don't have that deck, and if you do I'm sure it's fucking trash. I guarantee no one at your lgs likes you, you anime posting autistic faggot please kill yourself

I'm thinking of moving to modo and not play anymore in paper, I'm so tired of fnm's that you can do a 3-1 and don't get shit, alongside pptqs in which the top 8 is decided around round 3-4 because intencional and unintencional draws.

In modo at least you know what you will get if you do a 3-2 in a league, not this shit. Should draws count 0 points, anons?

>>52733478
Git gud

>>52733575
That's exactly what I want but it's so frustating when my 4-1 it's useless for top 8 already.

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>>52733280
>tfw I don't even need to play it to enrage retards

>>52733605
What deck do you play?

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>>52730168
you can try: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bloodybears/

does pic related make zombies playable now?

>>52733630
This card is circumstantial shit

>>52733619
Esper control but I also have Lantern control please no bully.

>>52733643
Well that's why you do bad

Newfag here

Are tapped out prices real? Im seeing huge disparity between MTG and MTGO budget decks. Sometimes deck can cost 50 bucks but only 5 tixs

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>>52733797
That's just the nature of MTGO. Most prices are lower across the board- but weird stuff like Gorilla Shaman can be expensive online.

>>52733642
the circumstance being you're playing b/w zombies

>>52733649
not that guy but going 4-1 shouldn't be seen as doing bad though

>>52733797
>Im seeing huge disparity between MTG and MTGO budget decks. Sometimes deck can cost 50 bucks but only 5 tixs

Uh, yeah. That's the whole point of MTGO. it's generally a 10:1 cost ratio.

Speaking of costs, Devoted Druid is now selling at $4. For a common. People are dumb.

>>52733797
Usually yeah, tapped out has links to sites where you can buy the cards at those prices. There's a few exceptions, sometimes cardhoarder will quote a price but won't have of that version of the card in stock and hasn't for years. Happens with really rare promos that they haven't got a copy of in years and that was the last price they ever sold one for.
In general a full deck on MTGO costs about a third of the paper price. Cards with casual appeal have an even higher ratio (e.g. serra's ascendant is 7x more in paper than MTGO), and recent standard cards with high demand get closer to 1 to 1 or are higher online (e.g. collected company is more online than in paper).

>>52733902
>>52733900
Thats nice to hear, I thought mtg might be too expensive for me to play but looks like MTGO is cheap enough

>>52733929
if you're looking to stretch every dollar sites like MTGO wiki price will list all the publicly listed bots and tell you which one is selling the card you want for the lowest price. Other sites will just let you submit a deck list and deliver the cards to you in MTGO but you pay extra that way.

>>52732196
Nice. I use Voracious Dragon instead, but Clickslither is probably better by virtue of being faster.

>>52730425
>not playing missmatched lands to trigger your oppenents

Do you even aggro?

>>52733902
>In general a full deck on MTGO costs about a third of the paper price.
I want to add that's modern only, paper pauper is about 20-30% cheaper than MTGO because its played online more often

>>52733642
>>52733884
Or even just White with a lot of Embalm.

Are Elves in Modern just meme tier deck or actual Tier 2 viable?

>>52734209
a buddy just went 4-0-1 at the weekly running elves. it's T2 situationally viable. anyone running enough hexproof is usually fine. Prisons work well. and anyone resolving supreme verdict ends the game. its not bad against tron but jund tends to walk through it.

>>52733630

Shit, I didn't even realize you could do it in response to declaring blockers, before damage. It's better than I thought.

>>52734209

All tribal decks are memes here in /modern/. Everything is a meme deck other than DSJ and Tron.

>>52734384
>tron
>not karn tribal

>>52730612
yeah, D&T, esp. in current meta, can be really great. im running it at the shop today

>>52730394
Cómprate un tapete, por dios

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>>52730570

3-1 with mono blue martyr

2-1 abzan DS.
Lost game 2 to a couple lingering souls from the board.

0-2 elves.
Didnt come prepared for the match up and got my shit thoroughly pushed in. Have now added hibernate to the board.

2-0 KCI.
This match up is basically free for the deck. Opponent was visibly tiled.

2-1 Abzan company.
Game one was able to keep bouncing opponents dorks with mist blade + wingcrafter to keep him off mana.
Game 2 was grindy and township eventually overpowered me.
Game 3 commandeered a chord of calling to get master of waves with 6 devotion and swing for lethal.

Is MD Leyline of Sanctity a good call if my meta is full of Grixis decks (control and DS)? Their discard is pretty annoying.

>>52735100
A pair of MD Leylines can be a good plan in UWx Control. For other decks they might be too clunky.

>>52735100
1 main 3 side is fine if you're on that plan. i've seen weirder shit, honestly.

>>52734946
Got a list?
also every deck I've played against the new eggs list with has been a free win, the deck loses to every kind of interaction

>>52735217
3x aether vial
4x martyr of frost
4x mausoleum wanderer
4x faerie miscreant
4x wing crafter
2x sidisi"s familiar (flex slot, used to be judges familiars)
4x voidmage prodigy
4x spell stutter sprite
2x mist blade shinobi
1x grand architect
1x master of waves
4x ninja of the deep hours
4x Sky Hussar
4x disrupting shoal
1x Commandeer
11x Island
2x flooded strand
1x hallowed fountain

This is off the top of my head as I don't have my list on hand.

>>52735419
Thanks

>2017
>not getting your foil gifts at 7 bucks

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>>52732585
you don't even have to pop a fetch to deal with goyf

>>52735522
Why? I mean its not a bad deal but its only played in UR Storm which is just an ok deck

>>52732585
Holy shit this is the most Timmy post ive ever seen. Yes removal is fair, i dont like how Push so easily hits 4cmc creatures but oh well. 5 cmc creatures are cool now if you can live that long.

>>52736246
>5 cmc creatures are cool now if you can live that long.
So what you're saying is 5 CMC creatures are completely useless

>>52736246
>I play """""cool""""" 5 cmc creature
>opponent uses his Karn he got out on turn 3 to exile it
Sure is fun.

>>52736291
Unfortunately yes. Moderns just too fast atm to durdle. I play Burn so I know how punishing it is for players to try pet cards since Burn punishes "cute" strategies more then any other deck I feel.

>>52736322
I honestly wish that Modern wasnt so blazing fast but it doesnt seem to slow up even with Infect gone. You kinda have to ask yourself why you want to extend a game out when its possible the deck across from you can kill on turn 4. I honestly hate Tron which is why I play Burn because I crush that faggot deck everytime its across from me.

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Probably one of the few 5 cmc creatures whos playable

>>52736430
Where? Hiding behind that casual card?

>>52736430
Stormbreath is better because it dodges push and path and 1 bolt.

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>>52736430
realistically this kind of thing would be the only above 4 cmc shit that is playable without being in >tron or >living meme

>>52736446
A man can dream cant he?
>>52736463
Stormbreaths pretty resilent

>>52736446
Haste is pretty good man, plus it dodges push and bolt. It hasn't found a home yet, but I think it could be pretty good out of the board against lingering Souls.

>>52736430
>lava axe

Yeah sure

>>52729483

I, for one, think the Delver Bird is the kind of pressure that Mardu Midrange has been lacking all these years. Will definitively try him out. Should synergize well with the shittons of removal in that deck.

>>52734209
Elves are a serious T2 deck. They can combo off on turn 4 pretty frequently, they can recover from board wipes with coco, and keep their hand full with horizon Canopy and elvish mystic. It's not a great deck but it's solid.

>>52733171
List?

>>52732570
>budget soul sisters

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>>52733280
(you)

>>52736508
What happened to Bananaman? I've been off the hook for a while

Can someone explain why affinity decks still runs one basic land (usually island or mountain)? why not just run Spire of Industry alongside Glimmervoid?

>>52736848
Maybe for paths?

>>52736848
Path to Exile

>>52736848
Path to exile.

>>52736831
Nothing, he falls under the delve category

>>52736862
>>52736863
>>52736865
whoao...that was sooo abvious that I've say to myself "nah, it never could be the correct answer"

>>52730150
Watching someone play Storm badly on Twitch was what actually got me to start playing the deck again. I had to cleanse the stink of bad players by winning with the deck myself.

Should I make Storm, U Tron, Dredge or UW Tron?

My goals are to go 4-0, tilt people, and cast sweet spells in approximately that order.
I'm better at piloting Storm and Dredge than Tron because of Legacy if that matters.

>>52737090
>that list of decks
Storm of Dredge
>go 4-0
Tron
>tilt people
Tron
>cast sweet spells
>storm/dredge/tron
...storm?

>>52737130
I don't want to be a Karn slammer though, are the blue Tron variants really good enough to be t1?

>>52737051
the deck is really hard to play because people are now sideboarding trinisphere, thorn, thalia and other things that are really difficult.

>>52737176
No not really, Non-G/X variants are just there to make people realize they they're better off playing G/X variants.

>>52737187
Pls just go

>>52737190
That's what I figured.
Unfortunately after looking through every playable magic card in Modern I've decided that the three sweetest are Gifts Ungiven, Mindslaver and Life from the Loam and I'm set on getting a deck that runs at least one of them.

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>>52737176
You don't slam Karn. You place him gently on the battlefield, fondle a D6 for a moment before violently -3ing.

>>52737277
You have objectively bad taste

>>52737277

Here's a fun Loam deck that might get better with the new cycling duals.

http://www.toplevelpodcast.com/the-gitrog-monster

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/deck-of-the-day-mardu-modern/

What do you lads think of the list above? Is it a heaping pile or can it possibly have some edge in the metagame, at least at a local level?

>>52737315
Comes with being a grognard.
I guess new magic players just want to turn creatures sideways and cast Planeswalkers/lightning bolt tribal instead of get outvalued and Mindslavered to death.

>>52737504
It's good against death's shadow. I reject any mardu list that doesn't run crackling doom, though.

>>52737513
>you don't like mindslaver jank so you must like creature tapping!!!

>>52737581
If you hate the trinity of Mindslaver, LtL and GU then I can only reason that you weren't playing when WotC still printed interesting cards like those.
Or you just have the irredeemable poor taste typical of Modern/Standard players.

>>52737504
list doesn't look like anything special, standard red deck that splashed in black to get better match ups against shadow decks I'd imagine not sure if going full mardu with this kind of list is best or not but I'm sure it'd be fine at a local level
>>52737518
>I reject any mardu list that doesn't run crackling doom
preach brother

>>52737611
>you don't like something so you weren't around when they were released
Wew

>>52730544
TKS looks so threatening until you see his skinny little chicken legs

>>52736831
Tasigur is currently one of the best creatures in Modern.

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>>52737833
He's a bitch

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>>52734555
Much appreciated mate. Also, checked.

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>>52737851

Get out of here Tarmagoyf, nobody likes you.

>>52729483
Settle a bet: What does spinning down a die mean?

any knightfall players here? what do you think of spellskite mainboard vs sideboard?
im using chews list atm any seasoned players have tips for dsj or tron?

>>52737907
When you twist a die and make it spin on a corner really fast

>>52737907
A spindown is one of those d20 life counters with all then numbers in order like the ones that come in fat packs or prereleases

>>52730867
Went 3-0 with GB Tron. I played a meme deck round 1 (mono-walls), round 2 I played a new guy that appeared to be playing the 2015 red welcome deck with a bunch of Theros cards thrown in to fill out the deck to 60 cards and a SOL RING, and I crushed the hopes and dreams of my local Ad Naus player round 3 (after he attempted to convince me to draw as well).

Overall it was one of the most boring FNM's I've had lately. Last week I got to play against Eldrazi and Taxes, Burn, and Ad Naus which was sweet.

>>52737907
doesn't that usually just refer to turning a dice, like a d20, down in numerical succession? only d20s I've seen do this were specifically done for use as a life counter in games like mtg though since the numbers are actually printed next to the other numbers on a line

>>52737987
>mono-walls

>>52737907
When you roll for firsties and one of the dice accidentally falls off the table.

>>52737987
How does tron beat ad nausememe?

>>52737277
The best playable cards in Modern are Goblin Guide, Monastery Swiftspear, Eidolon of the Great Revel and Lightning Bolt

>>52738002

I've played against a Wall deck recently too. Utilized those walls that make a bunch of mana based on how many defenders you have, then it casted Tooth and Nail to win.

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>>52737851
>>52737895

>>52737924
I play knightfall and I run a spellskite main in addition to 2 Selfless spirit since it can just win some matchups and help you combo out in some cases by blanking removal. The higher spirit count is nice because I like having more fliers in addition to Queller since board states can get pretty clogged in some matchups.

For DSJ you're looking to go long and make it hard for them to get in via blocking, once they start casting shadows that's when you want to start applying pressure with fliers or tap their stuff down with coralhelm and swing for a bunch. Rev up those reflector mages they do a ton of work in the matchup.

Against tron you want to bring in the counter magic if you have it and silence and just pray for the best. That or combo them out t3/4. I haven't had a rton of success vs tron desu.

>>52738002
Yeah, it had like assault formation, ovegrown battlement, perimeter captain, and tree of redemption.
>>52738038
Exile all of their lands and use hand attack to get rid of problem cards. Mainboard Newrakul is also a great way to kill them with their own deck. I've got 4 Collective Brutality main and 2 Thoughtsiezes + a Surgical Extraction in the side.

People keep telling me it should be a bad match up for me but if the Ad Naus player doesn't have that turn 1 lotus bloom and a land drop every turn their deck just doesn't go off fast enough most of the time.

>>52738047
Aye

Rate my meme
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bring-to-light-ad-naus/

>>52738129
hey thanks man. i think ill cut a pridemage for a skite mainboard. the affinity player who is usually there for fnm hasnt been showing in a while. so atm its just dsj/living end/tron asaik

>Opponent at 5
>They fetch at my endstep when I have RW up and die immediately to Boros Charm
This is the best feeling, even better if theyre at 8 and its fetch, response boros, bolt.

>>52738551
>implying I didn't brutality all 3 modes your faggot ass

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Fuck Tron.

REPRINT NOW.

>>52738591
Ghost Quarter is the same shit

>>52738610
No

>>52738610
Ghost Quarter puts you down a land and instantly ends most forms of color screw, enabling the tron deck to cast Ancient Stirrings. It is not the same.

>>52738572
Collective Brutality is Sorcery speed faggot

>>52738077
T Woo bringing the jank
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/wall-assault/

>>52738610
>Has never played wasteland

>>52738635
All irrelevant. Forest only ever taps for one

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>>52738651

>>52738639
LOL. Burn fag can't comprehend the post

>>52738572
>Implying I even have a hand after I charm and bolt you in response
GitGud

>>52738572
Reminds me of a game at a PPTQ I had where my opponent punted hard with brutality
>Against Abzan
>on the play swiftspear
>they go
>draw land swing pass holding up Skullcrack for Brutality
>he still fires it off selecting drain and -2/-2 on swift
>skullcrack blowout stop the lifegain, save swift
>easily take that match after that

>>52738669
If you did it on your turn then yes Brutality works in slowing me down, you cant fire it off in response to Charm though.

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>>52738696
Nice

>>52738696
>playing brutality on a swiftspear when the burn player has mana open
Do you regularly make fun of retards?

>>52738735
I find Brutality is a card thats only backbreaking if it comes down turn on the play, maybe turn 2 on the draw if i dont have Eidolon out. It quickly loses value as the game goes on. The hardest hate card to beat is Kor Firewalker, Timely Reinforcements, and Worship but I've beat a Firewalker on the field and even a Worship on the field
>against CoCo deck, not Abzan combo but just value creatures mostly
>game 3 they are at low health like 2 and they slam Worship, only creature on board is a Bird of Paradise
>Im empty on hand need to draw Revelry
>untap draw A. Command
>pass
>their turn they Collected Company and hit nothing
>wew
>untap draw Searing Blaze, Blaze bird and then Command them
Winning never felt so good

>>52738811
Hey he also played Liliana instead of swinging with Vent when he was at 2 and died next turn to topdeck Lava Spike

>>52738840
All these burn stories seen like pure luck lmao

>>52736508
and reality smasher, drowner of hope, thragtusk, etc.

>>52738502
>cut pridemage
I wouldn't cut pridemage due to his exalted effect and the fact that he can improve artifact mups g1. If you're running 3 scooze I'd probably cut 1 since I don't like having multiples since they compete for the same resources.

>>52738932
A lot of its misplays on my opponents part. Theres a bit of luck with Burn, but outplaying your opponents plays some role in winning with the deck. Its not a deck where theres a ton of opportunity to do tricks and fancy stuff and for the most part the deck is on autopilot once you know how to play it, but thats how I like it best straightforward and simple. I would play other Modern decks but I hate Tron with a passion and Burn crushes them so I play it out of spite for Tron in some sense.

>>52738840
I take an ungodly amount of pleasure from using searing blood/blaze
>>52738932
I feel burn has the best luck since so many spells are live at almost every point in the game

>>52733074
>>52733608
>>52736752

But he's right. All the other places would shun and ban you. Here on 4chan you are free to tell autistic anime fucktards they are autistic fucktards when they shitpost.
Mtg attracts disgusting manchildren. Some are more disgusting and degenerate than others. Gotta establish a pecking order and keep them in check.

>>52739078
I love when people get all salty when I 2-0 them and say burn is shitty ez autopilot.

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>Playing the cure
>Haven't lost a match yet
Yeah this deck is broken

>>52739154
Post list

>>52739164
9 fetches

3 razorverge thicket

1 gavony township

3 temple garden

1x ghost quarter

3 forest

1 plains

4x noble

4x chord

4x coco

4x devoted Druid

4x vizier of remedies

3x duskwatch recruiter

2x walking ballista

2x e wit

1x rec sage

1x spellskite

1x knight of the reliquary

3x kitchen finks

1x fiend hunter

1x scooze

3x voice of resurgence

2x renegade rallier

>>52739154
Can't call it the cure. Already a legacy deck

>>52739102
>opponent on the draw
>bird/noble go
>searing blaze it
>>52739135
I also love this. Nothing makes me happier then 2-0 ing a cocky salt mine.

what is the best combo deck right now? Ad Nauseam?

>>52739249
Unironically UR Storm

>>52738640
>https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/wall-assault/

Sigh, dammit woo. Why must your jank-ass decks always appeal to me so much?

>>52739249
living end, it keeps the kithkeks down

>>52739249
UR storm is pretty cool.
But if you have balls of steel play sram storm

>>52739221
Don't care

>>52739308
Well it's not going to stick and you'll be the retard calling it some random name

>burn mongoloids bragging about lava spiking people
That's Modern players for you I guess.

>>52739326
Why wouldn't it stick

>>52739381
Because it's not very fitting. Especially compared to the legacy deck

>>52739346
Right? I know when I play my super cool deck I make sure every match goes to time. Dumb burn players

>>52739381
Because modern naming conventions rule it be called devoted druid or infinite mana dusk watch ballista

>>52739423

No no no, you gotta work the color shard/wedge/guild name in there too! We gotta have the brand name front and center!

>>52739421
>every deck that requires brain cells goes to time
Is this how the mind of an aggro player works?

>>52739438
Selesnya devoted vizier of the dusk ballista

>>52739442
>Requires brain cells
I don't understand why people always treat burn decks like they require no thought. Yes I will agree it's more linear in it's strategy, but all good decks are. You can boil any deck down to its basic idea and then yell "look how easy it is to play" but that doesn't make it true.

>>52739494

There we go. Now THAT'S a Modern deck name!

>>52739516
Shit dude I'm confused, who am I supposed to target with lava spike?
I'll admit that burn takes more thought than retard-based combo decks like Ad Naus and Living End but that's not exactly setting the bar very high...
12 year olds could play half the decks in the format.

Anyone knows MODO leagues meta? Can Infect steal a wins here? Ive heard it's mostly UR Storm

>>52739637
Both those decks are more difficult than burn

>>52739346
It sure beats playing other decks and losing without fail to Tron. If you want to hate on a cancerous deck hate on that. At least Burn is beatable by most decks and has hate cards that actually beat it unlike meme cards that dont do shit like Ghost Quarter and Crumble to Dust.

>>52739637
Fair enough anon.
Can I ask what deck you play?

>>52739442
This is actually a good reason to play Burn though. Ive only ever once gone to time playing the deck. The less times you go to time the less draws you'll get and draws arent good if you could have gotten the win. Also at larger tournaments Burn allows you time to eat and rest.
>>52739637
Its not about targetting, its about sequencing to keep the pressure up.

How about we call it duskwatch machine gunner

>>52739794
How about we do not

>play non aggro deck
>lose to Tron always
This is whats wrong with the format

>>52739672
Don't bully Ghost Quarter it does it's best

>>52739154
>>52739177

How do you fetch for ballista?

Doesn't it die if you flip it with CoCo?

>>52739882
It must be paired with Surgical Extraction to properly fight that cancerous deck

>>52739847
In all honesty there just isn't really a good hate card for tron. The best strategies require multiple cards, such as ghost Quarter + surgical, or are 4 mana like crumble to dust. Stony silence only kills half of their game plan, and things like blood Moon and spreading seas just slow them down, and tron has a massive advantage in the late game anyways. Basically you have to stick a clock early and distupt their game plan, usually more than once. If you're not playing a hyper aggro deck they're pretty difficult to beat because it doesn't just fold to hate cards like dredge or affinity do. Tron is in a really good place right now.

>>52739912
pretty sure the game play with ballista is to go for infinite mana either off of miracle sticking vizier of remedies + devoted druid or flipping devoted druid and vizier off of coco then using that infinite mana to do things like duskwatch into dig through whole deck for a ballista large enough to kill or chord into duskwatch into ballista

>>52739647
Go look up modern on mtg gold fish, the stats on it are 95% online. Storm isn't that popular.

>>52739177
Go bant for Wargate memes

Guys should I drop Kird Ape from Revolt Zoo?

Every time I play it it's very underwhelming, but I don't think it has any good replacements.,
at least none I can think of.

Plus, I'm attached to the guy, I don't want to put him down

>>52740409
Narnam renegade

>>52740421
I already play four

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>combos off turn 3 as consistently as storm and actually has a great beat down plan
If you're not running Druid shot you're a pathetic babby retard, the deck is perfect

>>52740580
You're dumb

>>52740627
Nah, the term you are looking for is correct and righteous

>>52740580

I play Abzan Coco so I have almost everything to build this already. Sign me up for the meme.

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Only one week to go, I hope you already got your playset.

>>52740580
>druid shot
You mean collected druid?

>>52740709
The original art is better

>>52740580
>druid shot

The deck is called Abzan Devcoco Featuring guest tracks by MC Rekkroot and DJ Blazzy Ballista

>>52740709
I got mine for legacy a long time ago.

>>52740742
Nah, og art looks like that bitch Nahiri

>>52740580
>the cards aren't out but he knows

ban ancient stirrings
reee

>>52740765
And this art looks like shit

>>52740580
>druid shot
The deck's proper name is Devoted Dusk till Walking Remedy, thanks

>>52740793
It's called playtesting you wouldn't understand cause you're a netdecking autist

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>>52738112

>>52740814
Amulet and Lantern did nothing wrong to deserve this, just ban Eldrazi Temple

>>52740834
t. man jumping on the "broken combo" train
also the deck is called G/W/+/-/X Devoted Druid-Vizier of Remedies combo into varied win condition that may or may not include walking ballista or GW+-XDDVRCVWin-conTMYMNIWB

>>52740834
On what? Cockatrice, with your butt buddies burn deck? Lmao

>>52736716
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-04-17-xkW-abzan-shadow/

Thinking about going down 1 Traverse, maybe changing Temple Garden to another Godless Shrine. For a deck designed around delirium, it isn't really that easy to enable unless you have bauble

>>52740860
banning eldrazi temple wouldn't hurt tron. and amulet and lantern are memes, nobody will care if they get kneecapped. there will be extensive outrage from all 5 players who pilot those decks, but they'll calm down eventually.

>>52739669
Tell me one deck that requires thinking in modern, because so far I have seen every deck that requires interaction to be banned.

So i've got bogles but i'm struggling to beat infect especially with blighted agent.

What kind of side deck could I build up to give me a better chance?

>>52741241
Run something like 2x blessed alliance.

>>52741052
Every deck requires some thought to play, there's no deck that just windmill slam cards and expect a win. Affinity requires management of synergy, Burn requires proper spell sequencing, Jund needs to know which matchups to play Aggro aggro or control in.

You can trivialize decks all you want, but it doesn't make you right and it doesn't mean that Magic doesnt require a baseline thought just to play.

>>52741052
Nah, you'll obviously just say it doesn't and give me an epic green text.

>>52740747
>>52739177
I swear Ballista is wrong for the deck. Duskwatch is the most intuitive combo piece, but Ballista seems like a bad fit for Coco. Realistically you could win with anything after Duskwatch, like any of the Invoker cards are gg at that point. Almost anything can be used considering you draw every creature and have infinite mana.

Also, add a sac engine so you gain infinite life off vizier+finks. seer gives infinite scrys too.

besides there's already a deck that runs nobles/birds, coco/chords, finks, ewit/rallier, a 2drop that stops -1/-1 counters (melira), a 2drop that ramps (wall of roots), and various g/w goodstuffs creatures.
Just upgrade Abzan Company and move Melira to the sideboard.

I want to make a MTGO deck because I want to play more and my schedule doesn't always work for LGS play.

Living end
Monored Burn
Soul sisters
Infect

Just looking to have a good time but not really down to spend more than $100 since it's not paper.

>>52729835
I've been pretty particular to U/W flicker control lately. Ghostway is GOAT

>>52740409
ghor-clan rampager x2, become immense x1, mutagenic growth x1

>>52741346

I agree about Ballista, but Abzan Company is just not that great at the moment. Get picked apart too easily. I like this combo because it's not dependent on the graveyard.

>>52741346
What invoked is better than ballista?

>>52729854
He's probably new to magic. I have a friend who started a couple months ago and he's finally making decks that can hold their own, but he still fucks up just about every ruling. Heck when I got into magic I played very casually and and it took me a couple years to learn what the stack was.

>>52741370
Easy pick - Burn. Don't pick Eidolons tho (25$ each)

>>52741553
Terrible advice. A burn deck without eidolon is trash tier

>>52741553
What? Eidolon is like, 10$.

>>52741418
Arguably any of the 3cmc ones for higher CoCo math. The black one I guess.
Don't get me wrong, I fucking love Ballista as a card, it's a castable card at the very least, so it's good in that regard. Just feels wrong.

>>52741410
That guy's list is one Viscera Seer short of being Abzan Company. Vizier is melira/ana but non-legendary, and most people ran a 2-2 split so 4 Vizier is essentially the same.
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15067&d=291200&f=MO
>>52739177
Notice the similarities?

>>52741553
What is burn deck without Eidolons? Also how the fuck are they so expensive online.

>>52736144

why get loam when it's literally only played as a 1 of in one non-meme deck in the format? oh wait, a new card spiked it up to 30 bucks a shot. gifts just needs the right print, might as well pick up the foils of proven good cards while they're cheap

>get bored with Living End and grab my Allies combo meme deck that's actually pretty competitive
>hit up league, dude is playing UW Knights
>lands two of the knights that give other knights indestructible early, I run no removal, board stagnates
>have 4 Harabaz druids, 2 hada freedblades, a mirror entity, and 4 Ondu clerics
>swinging with 44/44 guys trying to get rid of some tokens he made
>eventually get up to 200 life from clerics, he's at 100 from lifelink, indestructible knights
>finally draw a halimar excavator and target myself, milling 3 dudes
>return to ranks all 3 of them
>mill enemy's deck and go up to 500 life
>wanted to go make grill cheese so quit the match
/blog

>>52742136
>beat a shitty tribal deck
>brags about it

>>52742213
To be fair he beat a shitty tribal deck as a shitty tribal deck

>>52742362

>this is news

literally someone had to win the matchup

>>52742421
>>52742213

>I only play serious decks for mature gamers such as myself

>>52742136
>>52742362
>>52742445

all me

>>52742136
>my Allies combo meme deck that's actually pretty competitive
>proceeds to write this cringefest of a story

>>52742492

>he doesn't know the power of Allies Combo

Don't come crying when you scrub out to the Secret Meta.

>>52741370
>>52741370
>living end
living meme tier

>monored burn
kys, but still best choice

>soul sisters
living meme tier

>infect
how fast can you say "this deck has been dead for months"?

>>52742516
>still doesn't realize how cringe his story time is

oh i respect the power of allies.dec but that story is just plain sad

>>52742213
>STOP HAVING FUN REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I bet you hate grilled cheeses too

>>52741370
Living end is pretty fun, but the best (both competitively and fun) is the one with high land hate (avalanche riders, fulminator mages, blood Moons, all main board), so it becomes less budget friendly. The other cheaper versions are still fun but feel too linear and a lot more dependent on the combo, with fewer options.

>>52742949
This is incorrect information. Disregard this post.

>>52742968
the memes out of the bag now scat man, give it up

>Architect/Minotaur/Carabid generally best cards in living end
>print Curator/Ceradon/Horror
>print demon/wurm for spice
>print loads of cycle tech for more spice
Even if you hate the idea of blue, there's more than enough power for living meme to be great even after the street wraith ban

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>>52743001
desu I've had an erection since the demon was spoiled. the ceradon and horror are just fucking gravy and I can't wait to try this shit out.

>>52742726
>can only afford grilled cheese

Sad!

>>52741288
Generally the kinds of decks people say are "brainless" are ones where the most consideration you have to make for your opponent is "do they have mana open and can they do something to stop my gameplan?"

>>52743001
ackshually streetwraith and carabid are regarded as the best cyclers in LE, while minotaur is regarded as an unfortunate necessity and many lists don't even play architects anymore, or 2 of at most.

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i am going to shitpost irl with boss sligh tomorrow ama

>>52743001
Thoughtsieze ban coming. The age of hand rape is over

>>52743182
Fuck off retard.

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>>52743202
make me faggot

>there are people in this thread who don't already have just devote my remedies up senpai already built and ready to go on release
This deck is tier zero and if you disagree you're a fucking retard

>>52743432
Great post man. Really shits up the thread

Is soul sisters good?

>>52743614
not really. you can cheese some wins off of aggro decks that run out of steam too quickly, and maybe piss off burn players (burn can still beat the deck with good draws and better play), but overall it's considered a meme deck for a reason and the stereotype is people only play it because it (was) cheap.

>>52740709
I own mine from when I was playing Cawblade

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>>52743188

What's one of the best FNM modern decks I could build for under $500.

I just want to have fun with it and top 8.

>>52743781
8whack

>>52743781
Elves or Storm, storm is fun for you but not others

>>52743781
dredge

>>52743802
>>52743810
>>52743851

I'll look into all 3 but elves. God I hate that build in MTGO.
>COME ON GIVE ME A LORD.

>>52743432

Please stop forcing this shitty meme.

>>52743781
I don't think naya burn is more than $500. Any form of burn should be good tho.

>>52743781
not for under $500, but close

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/naya-burn-ya-sick-cunt/

>>52743100
I'm thinking of 4c with Forbidden Orchards senpai.
What are your thoughts living bro
24 1cmc cyclers
4 streetwraith (will be banned desudesu)
18 lands
8 cascade
3 living end
1 simian?

and 2 flex slots (demon, wurm, spiders/abomination, beast within, extra cascade, fulmy/shriek/faerie)

Sideboard of fulmy+rider

If wraith is gone, maybe i can add 1-2 of my boi glasshulk to complete the pure1cmc cycler memedeck.

>>52743922
[X] You
[X] Fucking Retard

>>52737090
I think dredge is going to get worse because living end is going to get better after Amonkhet comes out (leading to more graveyard hate in the meta)

>>52743955
They won't ban street wraith they'd ban bauble

>>52743970
>living end is going to get better
Fucking how? Literally all it's going to do is take a turn off the clocks against some decks, all it gets is slightly bigger beaters, that's it it's not getting anything better. Please enlighten me on how having slightly bigger creatures is going to make the deck much better

>>52743781

UW flicker

>>52744019

It might not get better but it's definitely going to be flavor of the month for a while.

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>>52744019
It's not just the new cyclers. The new split card rule eases deck building restrictions.

>>52744019
The demon is sweet but just a slight upgrade. Horror is actually fuckin nuts though, a huge upgrade

>>52730394
beta lightning bolts

>>52743955
My initial test is going to be a R/B focused build with green just being a tiny tiny splash color just for violent outburst. I'm leaning away from the land destruction plan in favor of speed + power. blood moon and riders can come in from the SB for matches where they matter.

4 carabid
4 ceradon
4 horror
4 street wraith
4 mana monkey
4 faerie (no minotaur means they dont get nonbo'd anymore)
3 fulminator
2 demon

4 violent outburst
2 kolaghan's command
3 demonic dread
1 kari zev's
1 flex slot

20 lands

of course, since i'm a retard with a pet deck I'll end up trying it in a hundred different configurations. I'm just glad our card pool expanded so much.

>>52744055

how on earth does it change literally anything? okay, so rise//fall doesn't get hit by IoK anymore. What else?

>>52744314
Oh God. Just fuck off of you've no idea how the deck even works

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>>52744314
rise and fall can't go off on your cascades now as well I assume was the point

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>>52744362
Holy shit really? I'm putting in a breaking/entering in living end right now. Broke the meta, boiz

>>52744314
living end suffered a problem of not being able to close out games because shitting out a bunch of vanilla 3/4s isn't actually that impressive. if the opponent survived the first cascade and managed to rebuild, the deck really struggled to win from there.

it's creatures just got a lot bigger making it's game ending power a lot better. the demon also makes it so the deck can easily wipe the opponent's board if they manage to rebuild after the cascade

the deck as a whole got a substantial power increase from the set. now fuck off and be stupid somewhere else you dumb bastard.

>>52744445
Also a more than trivial number of the cyclers in Amonkhet have flying.

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>>52744232
after I proxied this up on note cards and started playing, I realized I forgot something very important

the namesake of the deck, living end.

god fuck I'm stupid.

On a serious note, can hurry up and ban Simian Spirit Guide?

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>>52744362
Well other cards too. As >>52744442 pointed out.

I don't exactly think rise//fall is the best potential split card addition to the 75 of a living end list, but I do think it is the sweetest.

Rise can bounce an opponent's creature from a graveyard and one of your creatures to your hand before you cast your cascade spell, and maybe you can even cycle to get it back in the graveyard before you cascade too.

Rise can also bounce an opponent's creature on the battlefield and a cycler from your graveyard so you can cycle again.

Fall can be used against creature-less decks or almost creatureless decks like Ad Naus.

>>52744592
Go play standard or frontier ape isn't a problem card

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Kk final living meme
https://pastebin.com/iY4uXhus
R8/H8/CRE8 this dank deck

>>52744626
>>52744661
Shit didnt even notice wear/tear, that's a great sb slot

>>52744592
Why tho. SSG is fine.

>>52744445

I wasn't fucking talking about the obvious cyclers you mongoloid I was trying to figure out exactly what fucking split card makes a difference to the deck that the guy I was replying to posted about and for the record the answer is literally zero. my question was "how does the new split card rule ease deckbuilding restrictions" not "what changes does living end have from this set" which is clearly fucking obvious

This thread has inspired me to build a burn deck

>>52745211
You're actually retarded.

>>52744688

there are zero relevant enchantments in modern, and they already have a better artifact hate in the form of ingot chewer. Split cards will absolutely not impact living end whatsoever. the only relevant decks that run enchantments run mostly enchantments and point and click hate doesn't cut it

>>52745261
It's for rest in piece dawg
It's a decent sb slot and I'd swap shitty krosan for it. Alongside ingot chewer for more options isn't a bad idea.

>>52745241

okay, I asked how the split card changes were relevant, you went on some dumbass tangent on what changes are coming to the deck which I already knew, and spoke nothing about what difference it actually makes, and called me retarded. you're mentally incontinent.

>>52745293

mmmm okay, RIP, you got me. I concede it might help there.

>>52745261
>there are zero relevant enchantments in modern

Rest In peace
Stony Silence
Blood Moon
Spreading seas

>>52744592
>>52744649
>>52745160
SSG is actually useful as a measure of the health of the format. When it starts showing up in more decks, something degenerate is going on.

>>52745307
I'm not even the same guy. I can't be assed to explain basic cascade rules to you.

>>52745211
You don't want to cascade into anything except living end. That means you can't put cards with CMC less than 3 into the deck (aside from living end, of course).

>>52745333
Wispmare also does the job, and has the upside of beatz, but the flexibility of wear/tear is sweet. Hide/Seek also works now too.
Some other neats cards it has access to are Rough/Tumble for a Pyroclasm and Dead/Gone for a Dismember alternative.
Idk it's neat new tech

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Any thoughts on this mardu shadow list?

>>52745489
Amonkhet has enough cycling flyers that it might be worth cutting Headshot Minotaur. Then you don't have to worry about whispmare getting hit by the minotaur.

>>52745610

I would cut a planeswalker and maybe an abbot for Terminate. Can't afford to not run it against Eldrazi

>>52745610
One trick worth remembering is if you are above 12 life you can cast DS to cast bone picker for 1.

>>52745676
Possible. I really like the line of b blossom into gideon so maybe a 1:1:1 split. Definitely cutting one or two cards to cram terminates in there because now that you mention it eldrazi goes over most of my removal and terminate triggers bonepicker unlike path and anguished. Path also kind of rapes you on the card disadvantage against reality smasher.

>>52745677
Good point if you're being stopped from draining yourself you can pitch a death's shadow and just play bonepicker. Toying with the idea with orzhov charm in one of my flex slots because of that line. I was thinking of building mardu shadow pre akh but I saw bonesplitter and new gideon and had to make a list.

>>52745610
trash

>>52745394
>>52745415

Holy fuck I know how the mechanic works, i know you COULD put in split cards, I'm saying none of the cards will make a lick of difference.

>>52746033
dumbass

New Thread boys
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