What would a fantasy setting based on India be like?

Same the next dungeon crawl, but with some sari and head dots sprinkled around.

badass gods
caste system
crazy impractical weapons

Really shitty armor, gods, and music.

>>52724748

Exalted.

>>52724748
Cars and robots, apparently.

>>52724748
Read The Iron Ring. You'll get lots of ideas.

A struggling chamberpot industry

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>>52724748
Tons of gods with crazy, conflicting portfolios. A caste system that makes being an adventurer a problem because you don't have upward mobility without some serious luck, and are often forbidden from interacting with certain castes. You can't have a proper cleric because they are the memebers of an elite caste, so they can't adventure, though it's pretty easy to modify that and make full caste membership the "end game" for a cleric and make it so they have to go adventure to earn it. As many demigods running around as in Greek mythology or maybe more. Lots of civil war plotlines. Lots of intrigue. Lots of interactions with foreign colonial powers.

I guess it depends on how closely you'd want to crib the source material.

>>52724748
the bbeg's throne is made of porcelain, it menaces the populace with it's unnaturalness

Roll a D6 to determine which street you shit in.

>>52724748
>you can chose your personal god
>a family has its own god
>a village hard its own god
Gods fucking everywhere.

>>52724917
>A caste system that makes being an adventurer a problem
more like makes it really, really popular for people who are at the bottom

>>52724877

This guy knows what's up.

Man, this just reminds me that I want to play a game based on Zelazny's Lord of Light some day.

>>52724957
Wouldn't being at the bottom make it more difficult? You have to be designated the right status to do adventuring shit.

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>>52724986

While not accurate to the book, I do love this artists interpretation of science-fantasy Hindu gods.

>>52724917

I dunno. Today there is a metric fuckload of cooks that belong to the brahamin caste because, odd as it sounds, they're the only one pure enough to prepare food for anyone else.

My india-fu is embarassingly weak but I think this happened for the last centuries. So I think you shouldn't really think brahmin=filthy rich.

Anyway if that's the problem it's pretty simple in fantasy India:

There is an adventurer caste.

>>52724995
Adventurers are chock fucking full of society's outcasts. Just because they made a rule about it doesn't mean it's not gonna get broken.

>>52725056
>Untouchables can go adventuring, can't get magical healing or more than 30% of the value of their loot

Life on hardcore mode.

>>52724748
Mythology of India? India 200 years in the past? India as it is now?

>>52725116
>>Untouchables can go adventuring
No, fuck no, forget that. You know what became of Untouchables that buggered out of the India on "adventure"? Gypsies, that's what!

>>52725247
pc tend to be shit to the veiiagers, so they are mostly gypsies.

>>52724748
All chicks in sarees and without going magical realm, so I would have my fun and nobody would complain or even notice (hopefully).

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>>52724748
It would be shit

>>52724748
The towns would have designated shitting squares.

>>52724748
Lots of people getting magic powers for doing penance and rituals for a thousand years, and lots of loop-hole searching by the Gods as the try to find ways to get rid of these people who abuse their powers as soon as getting them. It would also have have ridiculously inflated bodycounts (the Mahabharata had a lot of those).

Oh and no one really respects Indra.
Also Designated shitting streets

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>>52724815
>crazy impractical weapons

>>52725698
>>52725722
Guys, fantasy, get over the meme mindset and think bigger. designated shitting demi-plane

>ctrl-f
>"shit"
Yep, this is 4chan.

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>>52725777
Which means that we have to check those fantastic trips of yours!

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>>52725747

/pol/, please go

>>52726058
*/int/

>>52726171
Actually it's /g/ - the hatred of Pajeet and his kin has both memetic and pragmatic roots.

> see post in catalog
> wonder if the thread will just be /pol/ack tier jokes
> Read thread
> It's 70 percent poo in the loo
Why /pol/ always getting out of its box? Is it this bad in other threads? I mostly stay on tg- I only go to /pol/ to feel better about my life choices and socio economic status.

>>52724917
>>52724995
>>52725056
I Think you guys are taking for granted just what kind of people actually have what it takes to become adventurers.

They're the kind of people who not only willingly go out and camp with their armor on, break into the houses of dangerous and insane wizards, Liches and Monsters, and rush to attack a bandit camp without a second thought for personal safety simply because they might have stuff to steal, but enjoy doing so too. Adventuring types can be neatly separated into three types:
The One who has nothing left too lose,
The One who knows not what he has,
And the One who simply doesn't care.

There might be a little bit more attempt at regulation by kingdoms, but at the end of the day, Adventurers are either given more breathing room out of respect or fear.

>>52726256
>>52726058
>/pol/ is the only board that ever makes race jokes.
>just like /a/ is the only board that ever talks about anime.

I Don't think you realize this but none of the boards have ever been isolated and contained, the mixing only limited.

>>52724748
Edging towards my magical realm, for one. A sari is top tier hot.

>>52726256
>poo in the loo is /pol/, and only /pol/
Why is everyone always giving /pol/ all the credit for other boards' good ideas?

>>52726370
>none of the boards have ever been isolated and contained
And thank god for that. This place would be so boring if we only ever stayed in our cliques and echochambers.

>>52724748
Arrows of Indra

>>52724909
Man, seven responses before the first joke about public defecation. I'm proud of you /tg/.

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>>52724748

>>52726601
My man.

>>52726370
>I can't breathe without spreading my autistic memes
>I am literally too autistic to get that most people find my constant repetition of the same joke cringey at best, pathetic at worst

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>>52726755
A day without memes is like a day without air

Play Asura's Wrath.

The spaceships, giant lazors and planet sized dudes are Hindu mythology canon.

>>52726755
You sound like the kind of guy who has a folder marked "Rare Pepes" and it's just full of common Pepes

Exalted.

>>52726370
> the mixing only limited

I always knew pol supported miscegenation.

>>52727207
>I always knew pol supported miscegenation.

You mean the daily "Asian women are Honorary Aryans who still hold traditional family values unlike western women so it's totally ok to marry them" and the "it's not race-mixing if you do it as a sexual conquest or if you redpill her before marriage" threads didn't tip you off?

The cross board corruption goes both ways anon, and quite a few boards, /tg/ especially, are filled xenophiles of various degrees from "I like exotic women" to "I want to marry the Xenomorph".

>>52724748

luckily you dont have to imagine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0b2LGf9jM

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>>52727308
>This is what Pajeet actually believes

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>>52726699 (checked)

>>52724815
>crazy impractical weapons
>mfw remembering the urumi exists and that we didn't get an equipment of it

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>>52726699
>>52727525

Alright, we Nasuverse nao

Rama/Sita posting where?

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>ctrl F
>No KillSixBillionDemons
Just binge the whole webcomic in one go anon, you'll thank me latter

>>52724748
Literally shitty

>>52729291

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>>52729291
So much this

>>52725247

So this is basically the Rogue caste is what you're saying

>>52726755
You expect to see people tastefully use memes, to a limited enough degree that they don't become stale?

Are you fucking retarded?

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>>52724815
So, the world of pic related? But less sci-fi?

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>>52730190
>less sci-fi

I mean... not particularly. Hindu mythology is 1000% CUH-RAZY and 1000% badass.

>>52730190
Nah man hindu myth is sci fi

>>52730227
You should read the story of Odin, its far more badass than the hindu gods. The Hindi more often than not are just playing tricks, or summoning big armies.

>>52730227
I meant the part where he's a full body cybrog with robot arms and a reactor that runs on souls in his chest.

>>52730258
What about the time Shiva grew a third eye that shot fire because someone covered his eyes?

Keep in mind that not everyone in historical India followed/respected the caste system. Modern Hinduism and its widespread caste system is merely just a series of different beliefs mashed together to form a national identity.

You can defeat ANYTHING through the power of dance.

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Skeletons with CURVED swords!!!

>>52730289
Shiva is just Mary Sue

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>>52730864
>Taking about Gods
>Mary Sue

wut

>>52724748
India is a fantasy setting.

>>52724748
>>52724917
All I know is my character would have an erection.

>>52730901
He is Mary Sue among the gods.

>>52729291
Why would you mislead anyone to read that comics?
The moment you realise the plot goes from nowhere to nowhere, it instantly turns into pure, unfiltered shit. But it really takes a while to realise that, so most people stay with it due to sunk cost fallacy.

>>52730901
Not him, but Hindu mythology is just unbearable. Everyone and everything is so fucking OP, majestic and powerful, that it quickly gets just tiresome, especially when then you compare their deeds with their powers and realise this is something only an extremely primitive nomads raiding superior culture could figure out as a way to compensate over their lacks - fuckload of boasts.
Aryan conquest was a mistake.

>>52731031
Sikh is the superior shit skin religion.

>>52724748
Quite shitty i expect.

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Isn't Indivisible going to be Fantasy India?

>>52724748
No toilets, roll d100 to determine if the water you just drank gave you cholera or dysentry

>>52731397
It's superior religion in general.

And it's literally the only true monotheism.

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Well, forsst instead of white animu girl dressed as indian there would be real indian girl.
It would also smell curry and have a nice Pantheon

>>52731537
>instead of white animu girl dressed as indian there would be real indian girl.
Why not both? That's a perfect solution if you ask me

>>52726370
Please stop trying to normalize /pol/ shitposting.

>>52731031
But all these stories of Shiva and Vishnu are a product of post-vedic times and of dravidian influence. You would be right if you would complain about how much they jack-off to the aurora.

>>52725747
Mountains of solidified shit. Torrents of diarrhea. Malnourished men toil in feces mine. Houses are made from dried holy cow shit. Women cook food using dried shit for fire. The food is made with diarrhea inducing curries. Fields are fertilized with stinking dung.

>>52724748
tech support everywhere

>>52724748
Minotaurs are god-kings

>>52724748
Overcrowded.

>>52731432
And a bunch of other things - south east asian, mostly (Indonesia, for example).

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something something can't believe it took so long to get this mentioned.

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>>52731997
1) Be nomadic barbarian
2) Clash with high-end civilisation
3) Realise few centuries later what exactly your ancestors destroyed
4) Start feeling insecure about your heritage
5) Boast to no end
6) Also boast because you are half-barbarian culture with strong warrior ethos

The biggest irony of history is the "poo in the loo" for people living in one of the first places with city-wide sanitation.
Add barbarians from Central Asia and suddenly you can have designated shitting streets

>>52732595
>2) Clash with high-end civilisation
>3) Realise few centuries later what exactly your ancestors destroyed
Anon, both these points are very debatable, especially the latter since there are no archaeological evidence for any widespread destruction and general fighting between the aryan invaders and the dravidian natives, and I feel like you have some kind of agenda here. Also the vedic religion, their hymns and the aryan horses don't need to be ashamed of anything.

>>52725650
> all chicks in sarees
umm, this has never been the case, in any point of Indian history.

>>52732635
Not him, but it's hardly debatable if you have nomads destroying one of the most advanced civilizations of the period. Granted, the Indus Valley civ was in a serious decline already, but Aryans didn't reached that level of development till fucking Ashoka (or did finally English embraces Asioka transliteration?) times.

>>52732655
Who said I can't have my magic real in a game I'm running?

>>52732837
The Indus Valley civilization already perished when the aryans invaded. The dravidians were already just farmers in small villages. There is no archaeological evidence for any fighting between the cities and the invaders. Such theroies have been widely rejected.

>>52732635
My agenda is pretty simple - Aryans did the same to Dravidian civilisation as what Germanic tribes did with vestigal Roman empire. Sacked it to the ground, then spend next few centuries stealing what was left from the ruins and THEN realised what kind of shithole they are living it, but it was waaaaay too late to even think about doing anything about it.
And like most such cases it's a damn fucking shame.

I think the only time "nothing serious" (massive quotation marks) happend from barbarian conquest was when western branch of Aryans invaded what later became Persia, since they didn't sack the place entirely and picked local civilisation rather than trotting it to the ground.

>>52732885
>Bending reality this hard
Let me guess - Indian?

>>52724986

Mah nigga

>>52732900
But there is no evidence for any of this. Well yes, the aryans subjugated the native indian tribes later, but there is, again, no archaeological evidence of aryans attacking and destroying the cities of the Panjab.

>Let me guess - Indian?
You have no idea what you are talking about. If I would be some kind of hindu nationalist then I would say that aryans never invaded india, but actually came from there and are the same people that formed the Indus Valley civilization. But nice try of a personal attack.

>>52724937
>god becomes a character class

>>52732960
>No evidence
>All the digs in Harappa, Mohenjo-Daro and Lothan sites don't count, because I say so
Doesn't really matter for me what kind of bullshit you want to push. The only people trying to deny Aryan invasion are Indians themselves, so go fucking figure. It reaches the point when they try to discredit all the old digs and strictly forbid non-Indians from performing new ones, just because that could put their ancestors in bad light.

That's one of those things I really and honestly despise in Indians - they are so fucking insecure it's not even funny, acting like children when pushed: putting fingers in their ears, turning back and going away at best, throwing an aggressive tantrum at worst.

>>52732595
Reminder that all native Europeans are also descended from those Central Asian hose nomads, who migrated out in multiple waves. The Greeks, the Romans, the Celts, the Germanics, the Slaves, the fucking Finns, all of them.

>>52730986
It's not done anon. It barely even started. They've only finished the opening arc.

>>52733189
>In 1953 Sir Mortimer Wheeler proposed that the invasion of an Indo-European tribe from Central Asia, the "Aryans", caused the decline of the Indus Civilisation. As evidence, he cited a group of 37 skeletons found in various parts of Mohenjo-Daro, and passages in the Vedas referring to battles and forts. However, scholars soon started to reject Wheeler's theory, since the skeletons belonged to a period after the city's abandonment and none were found near the citadel. Subsequent examinations of the skeletons by Kenneth Kennedy in 1994 showed that the marks on the skulls were caused by erosion, and not by violence.[137]

And now give me your sources.

>>52731432
I really hope that game fails like it deserves.

>>52733314
I really wish your mother aborted you like you deserved.

>>52733314
Not that I've backed or have any interest in it, but what's your problem with it?

>>52733764
Really ugly game that's really playing for diversity points for some reason. It's very much like every other hyper-progressive indie game you see.

>>52725032

Looks like a 40k crossover. Some lost Dark Ages colony world.

>>52724748

Poo
In
Loo

>>52733781
REEEEEEE got it.

>>52734145
But I plainly and calmly stated facts.

>>52732077
3 and 4 are actually true

>>52734169
No, you spewed dogshit opinions and acted like they were facts.

>>52734211
>Opinions
Senpai they included people from a billion different countries in their India game. That's farming diversity points, none of them should be there.

Including a European, though they made him as ugly as possible.

>>52734169
Conjecture is not facts

Please plainly and calmly present me a spreadsheet of indie games correlated to the race of all their protagonists and then do a significance analysis with a sensible p-number and sample size so we can unbiasedly and rationally accept it into truth.

>>52734227
>REEE I DON'T LIKE IT THUS DIVERSITY IS BAD

No, go eat shit. Your opinion remains not a fucking fact.

>>52734252
Are you even the person who asked? Because nobody who didn't know the game would be this invested in defending it.

Also, it's a raw fact that there a shit ton of non-Indians out of nowhere in the game. That's a fact, no matter how much you whine. Why not provide YOUR explanation for why they're there?

Also, all their designs were made to be as ugly as possible. You can tell because their old artstyle basically made everyone attractive. Classic indie game tac to make everyone ugly these days.

>>52734277
>I don't LIKE IT
>So its ugly
>It does stuff I don't like
>SO ITS BAD

Cry more. I'm going to trust the people that made Skullgirls a lot more then some whining little subhuman /pol/tard that can't stop screaming about how much they don't like THING.

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>>52734299
>Ignore your opponent's points to scream at them.
>Visibly more upset than they are.
>Flinging insults wildly.
I think you're the only one that's crying here, senpai.

>>52734338
this devolved into NO YOU

real fast

>>52734348
There's nowhere else it can really go when he's screaming at me like I'm offending him.

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>>52734338
Sure thing, jackass. Whatever you say. I'm the one out of touch with reality.

But just so everyone knows just how full of shit you are, here's some art from the game's art directer.

SO UGLY. Or wait, no, the other thing.

>>52734364
You're kinda proving again that you're not the person who asked me.

You're also cherrypicking the protagonist instead of showing the supporting cast, who are ALL wacky malformed goofballs.

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>>52734385
And zoom goes the goalposts.

You said art, period. Nothing about just the side characters. But here, go eat shit a second time, why don'tcha.

And this is why I was calling you names, because that's all you deserve, /pol/tard.

Don't expect another reply.

>>52724748
All characters are mandated to have unibrows and shitty moustaches.

>>52734385
Have you tried not having shit taste?

>>52734411
>Goalposts
No? You're just engaging in legalism.

And you can see it in the art here, though this isn't actually the style they used in the game. You have:

A Japanese nun who is a beenpole with a massive nose.
A fat, short eskimo
A fat pirate
A middle aged knight
A martial artist with no arms
A black frenchman
An indonesian (?) with a giant Usop nose
A midget Indian
And a blocky Amazon with manface.

Again, these issues are way more pronounced in the official art. Seriously, the pirate is built like someone's overweight mom.

>>52734435
You like the designs above? Really?

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>>52734411
>Someone doesn't like a game you do
>Call him /pol/
Are they just the bogeyman of choice now?

>>52734464
>Carrying on about MUH DIVERSITY IS BAD and MUH PROGRESSIVES
I couldn't possibly imagine why I called him /pol/...

>>52734475
You come across to me as really insecure. Like I'm seeing you be a huge dick about this whole thing over what are basically mild posts.

>>52734475
If you get THIS offended about someone not liking the diversity point checklist needing to be filled, then hell yeah I can see why you think everyone is /pol/.

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>>52732595

>Aryans introduced street-shitting
>Aryans also, with the isolation of Afghanistan as a test case, were big on boy-love.

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>>52734475
>if I don't agree with it then it's /pol/
LITERAL BLACK AND WHITE MORALITY

>>52734451
Does a character needs to be pretty to be interesting ?
Does the game need pretty characters to be good ?
Why is having a divese cast of characters a bad thing ?
I'm confused.

>>52734475
Anon, I saw this from the front page, and I just have to say, you're being a bit ridiculous. There really shouldn't be many non-Indians in a game about India. /pol/ would hate it for having too many "poos," not for not having enough.

>>52734793
The issue is when you make all your characters ugly on purpose. Which is what they did, and I why I hate their art style. It's a thing nowadays to hate pretty designs as sexist/whatever, so it's often used to virtue signal when you make a bunch of ugly people and declare "THIS IS WHAT REAL PEOPLE LOOK LIKE."

The issue with diversity is that it's not innately a good or bad thing. It's not a positive to do it just because. But people treat it like it is, and say that they're tolerant and progressive for doing so, that they are better people and that it should be expected that you be as diverse as possible, whether it makes sense for your game or not. That's what I don't like.

>>52734793
>Why is having a diverse cast of characters a bad thing ?
Why do you think something unimportant as skin-colour or body shape makes a cast diverse?

>>52732306
Does anyone have the pdf for this?

>>52732306
>>52734912

It's shit, don't worry. It's (purposefully, according to the creator) a thin veneer of shallowly interpreted Indian mythology over D&D.

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I have created an Indian themed fantasy setting for anybody who's interested, though its pretty convoluted and somewhat difficult to understand for people who don't know a bit about Hinduism. I can try to describe it, if anyone is interested.

>>52734998
Why the hell not?

>>52727308
>Superpooper by 2030

>>52734998
>though its pretty convoluted and somewhat difficult to understand
Just like the source material.

>>52734464
Calling someone /pol/ is basically the new way of calling someone Hitler.

In 4chan of all places. Its sad that we allowed the reddit and 9gag scum to frequent this site. Its basically facebook 2.0 with all these faggots virtue flagging all over the place.

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>>52726058
>>52726370
>/int/ meme
>/pol/

>>52734840
For the two points, your problem seems to be that you think these people do it to say they're better than you. I don't think that's the case, they most likely made both of these decisions because they had an idea for a character they thought was cool or interesting.

There is also that I doubt they thought of them as ugly making them. You think they are, I don't, the designer probably didn't either.
Indivisible's characters are pretty goofy and unrealistic, you cant really say that they represent what real persons look like so that's probably not what they meant with this.

On diversity I actually do think doing it "just because" is a good thing. I think that because not doing it means for a cast as large as in Indivisible that there will be a lot of redudency and overlaping designs, which makes each of them least interesting overall.
I played the prototype and as far as I know the game doesn't takes place in our world, even a magical version of it. That said, why does taking influences from a lot varied cultures in their fanasy worldbuilding incoherent ? Isn't that what you usually do in worldbuilding ?


>>52734889
Because I think every element in a character design is important and comunicate something about the character, his story, his personality, and so forth.

>>52734277
Nigger its a game about the silk road not just fantasy india

>>52735201
>On diversity I actually do think doing it "just because" is a good thing.
So a random black frenchman and saint george (as an incredibly ugly, fat, balding middle aged man) should appear in a game about fucking India?

>>52735269
Yes, I do.

>>52735309
So despite breaking setting and tone, you think diversity is good because it's diversity.

I'm be blunt with you. I think you're outright insane or politically biased to the point where you're too hopeless to argue with. So I don't even want to talk to you.

>>52735107
Dear heavens no. Hitler, as monstrous as he was, was at least somewhat charismatic and politically capable.

When you get called a /pol/-tard no such competence is implied. You're just a sad sack of shit.

>>52735332
Rude. I'm a nice guy.

>>52735347
>Virtue flagging this hard

>>52735269
ITS NOT JUST ABOUT INDIA YOU FUCKING RETARD.

>Indivisible is a side-scrolling RPG in the vein of Valkyrie Profile, spanning a huge fantasy world inspired by our own world’s various cultures and mythologies.
>Ajna sets out on a globe-spanning quest that will reveal her true nature and much more.
>While Indivisible’s thematic core is inspired by Southeast Asian mythology, the game is full of lands and characters inspired by a variety of cultures and myths.
>She will unite a unique cast hailing from far away lands, discovering aspects of herself in the process.
>Indivisible’s world is divided into regions, each being a large level inspired by a different culture or mythos.

>>52735412
Bingo bongo. Makes this line hilarious.
>I'm be blunt with you. I think you're outright insane or politically biased to the point where you're too hopeless to argue with. So I don't even want to talk to you.

>YOU are insane, but I can't even be fucked to actually look up what the game is about!

What a fucktard.

>>52735412
Remind me when England, France, North America, Indonesia, and even Japan were part of the Silk Road?

>>52735412
None of this is explaining why everyone is ugly and fat desu.

>>52731817
Please stop trying to brand everything you don't like "/pol/ shitposting" and screeching autistically at everyone about it. This board isn't just about you, what are you 12?

>>52732595
Kind of sounds like the history of western europe post-roman empire. Who's more OP then the catholic god?

>>52735466
Remind me where in that description the game's creators mention the silk road?

>>52735482
This is patently false. Not all of them are fat, and none of them are 'ugly' in any reasonable sense because they are silly cartoons, like Disney characters.

>>52735547
>Remind me where in that description the game's creators mention the silk road?
I remember YOU mentioning it in >>52735238

>>52735547
>Not all of them are fat
All of the women except anja are either fat, olive oyl, or cripplied.

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Probably not a contributing post but

In western fantasy you have things that are inspired by the romantic past and mythology, but also things that are just cool despite not making sense. It's actually not correct to have 1500s full plate mixed with a world with absolutely no guns. Early medieval political structures with massive complex urban centers. But it makes you want to kind of live in that alien world.

The problem with most attempts at non-western fantasy is that it never goes through an organic process. Everything is just literal mythology, or literal medieval India/China with magic, or pre-Tolkien fantasy where everything runs of dream logic. Things done by western authors have a weird orientalist feel because they can't feel out what just seems cool to them. Instead they are obsessed with hammering home THIS IS NOT WESTERN, but deep down the authors too feel a lot of the material is just weird and stupid, not engaging.

Like the cities shouldn't resemble any one Indian time period. Improbably advance architecturally in ways while ancient in form. Maybe a lot of square stone temple style like the Ellora caves, but with more green and lively pathways. Not unlike Ico, really.

>>52734411
I wanna that brown girl in the teal dress.

>>52735750
Pretty much this. There is probably more to dissect on "deep down the authors feel this way about non-western material" that makes a disjointed, exoticified results.

>>52735269
Because your post doesn't define a specific time period, sure. and also because contrarianism

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To make the setting historically accurate, make the main moral divide between Law and Chaos, rather than Good and Evil, with Zoroastrian Ahuras representing Law and Hindu Devas representing Chaos.

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>>52735081
This is true. I mean, from our cultural perspective it's true. The ideas are pretty consistent and logical if you understand their basis, but from an uneducated outsider's perspective, yes, Indian culture and especially its religion is convoluted.

>>52735021
You're right, anon. I have posted about my setting before, so you may have seen it.

So my setting is the 'empire' of Devatva, a huge state covering many beautiful lands from the glittering sea to the rolling fields to the steamy jungle to the snow-capped peaks. Devatva is believed to be the land of the gods, where each and every thing was hand picked and carved out of creation to create a divine kingdom in Bhur-loka, the intermediate earthly realm (between the heavens and the netherworlds.) However, as time passed after creation, the universe degenerated, and Bhur-loka became messy and dirty and filled with excess materiality, so the gods, seeking to retain their purity, ascended to the higher planes of the heavens which were eternally glorious and beautiful. However, the gods, in their love for the human race, condescended to bring their grace to humanity anyway, just in a different form. Using their power to be in many places at one time, the gods decided they would incarnate in Bhur-loka in the human form as a priest, manifesting as avatars, and be present there so that humans could have a more accessible target for their loving devotion. The gods then left the priestly class, the brahmins, in control of society so that their guidance could always be felt.

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>>52736124
The brahmins would be charged with 'electing' the avatars of the gods - after all, who could be better at spotting divinity than a priest who studies it? Priests therefore devote themselves to a particular god and pursue a semi-political ecclesiastical career attempting to prove that they are the holiest, and if they make it to the very top, the Council of Avatars which governs over the whole of the empire, that they are so holy that they actually are the god they have been worshiping. Unfortunately, as the universe has degenerated, so too has the empire, and many places in the world forgot the primacy of their priests and even of the proper gods. Many lands have been lost to the political control of Devatva, but still the empire remains intact.

At the time of the party's adventure, scandal struck the Council of Avatars! A conflict arose over the seat of the Avatar of Parvati, goddess of power, wife of Shiva and mother of Ganesh and Kartikeya. After a tense campaign between two rival priestesses for the position, the losing priestess claimed that the Council of Avatars was corrupt, and that she was the true and righteous Avatar of Parvati. She claimed that the woman who had won had only done so thanks to the machinations of the current Avatars of Lakshmi, goddess of wealth and Saraswati, goddess of knowledge. She quit the priesthood of Parvati and left to hide out at some unknown ancient temple in the jungle, with a sizable portion following with her. Further, the Avatar of Kartikeya believed her and followed as well, along with his whole order, leaving a hole in the Council of Avatars and a massive religious conflict in their wake. The Council, due to the byzantine nature of its constituency, has been incapable of taking any decisive action, and even more scandalously, the rogue Avatar is manifesting greater and greater powers every day...

>>52724748
Roll-based chargen. How else are you going to roll to lose your wife&kingdom?

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>>52736153
And the curtain opens on the adventurers being gathered together meet with a mid-level priest of Krishna, Nyokta Privash, an old war hero concerned with the sudden influx of Knights of Kartikeya coming into the province of the city he governs as they follow the migration of the priestesses of Parvati. Or perhaps on the frontiers of the empire, fighting off roving tribesmen at the borders who seek to raid its sacred treasures, but forced to make some unsavory alliances in order to keep order as the Knights of Kartikeya leave to follow their God to some place gods know where across the country. Or perhaps in a holy mountaintop temple, searching the ruins for an old cosmic map that is rumored to lead the way along the holy Ganges, a flying river which twists and turns through the sky, to a vault in the heavens which holds a legendary Astra, a divine weapon possessed of great power, to strike down the wicked pretender to the throne of Parvati - but which one is the pretender?

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>>52736077
You could get a lot of mileage out of a Zarathustra analogue in an Indian or Indo-Iranian setting if you want to set it in a time of Pre-Hindu Vedic or proto-Indo-Iranian religion that hasn't been formalized into the split between Vedic/Hindu and Zoroastrian religions.

>>52736241
And I strongly reccomend going that path, because early Vedic Hinduism was a lot more... consistent than later hinduism. Over time, a lot of strange local customs and superstitions were assimilated into Hinduism, which is where you get really weird shit, like shiva turning into a giant penis to stop his wife who had become an angry vagina-dragon.

>>52736077
So Sun tribe versus Storm tribe?

>>52736124
>>52736153
>>52736227
Do the Gods actually exist in your setting, and do they actually manifest in Avatars, or is it all BS so the Brahmins can keep power? Or is it left purposely ambiguous?

>>52724820
Fuck you, Hindu gods are based.

>>52736481
I don't know what those are. What are you referencing?

>>52727300
>You mean the daily "Asian women are Honorary Aryans who still hold traditional family values unlike western women so it's totally ok to marry them" and the "it's not race-mixing if you do it as a sexual conquest or if you redpill her before marriage" threads didn't tip you off?
That's not supporting miscegenation, that's hypocrisy.

>>52737350
Supporting or opposing it is equally retarded desu

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>>52724748
>fantasy setting based on india

>The PC's will be stuck in the Inn for 2 weeks thanks to dysentery
>everything is crowded
>the air smells of curry and promotes more diarrhea
>Designated shitting streets
>the water is loaded with trash
>unreasonably dry and wet seasons
>snakes and monkeys always fucking with you
>Begger children always asking for money
>PC's are forced on a fish/chicken + vegan diet
>More diarrhea
>the water is actively conspiring against you
>more begger children
>more monkeys
> dysentery, monkeys, begger children and shitting streets
pic unrelated

>>52737350
It's not hypocrisy, it's people following the rules that they made (as they should). Just because you misrepresent them, doesn't mean that they're hypocrites.

>>52735512
>immediately turning a thread into bottom-barrel racist stereotypes
>not /pol/ shitposting

That is what we around here call a cool story, bro.

>>52737350

It's both, really.

>>52737654

Yes, they are hypocrites for buying into retarded "muh white superiority" and simultaneously fetishizing Asians while constantly fantasizing about black guys cuckolding them.

>>52737654
>Don't pollute the gene pool with what they consider inferior stock.
>Create daily threads devoted to promoting mating with the inferior stock.
No hypocrisy there.

>>52737867
As pointed out by someone earlier, that meme started on /int' and has spread from there. /pol/ aint the only board on this website, stop giving them credit for all the memes.

>>52737867
>racist stereotypes
This is technically true, but if you get actually offended by some silly nickname on 4chan based on the actual problem (As in they have several national efforts to try and correct it) of people defecating in the open in India, then you REALLY need to stop being such a sensitive bitch. This website isn't for people that get offended at every pitiful little insult or slur. If it was, then -fag wouldn't be appended to the fast majority of 'titles' we have here. Drawfag, newfag, oldfag, tripfag, namefag. It's all there.

>>52737925
>This website isn't for people that get offended at every pitiful little insult or slur.

No, its a website for guys who REEEEEEEE when a game features a brown chick or an overweight chick.

>>52737925
I'm not offended by the stereotype.

I'm offended because what should have been a good and fun thread about building a fantasy world from alternate sources from the beginning is full of stupid racist bullshit that was already a dead horse.

>>52737979
Nothing wrong with a cute brown girl, but fat people are disgusting, male or female, and should never be main characters unless they're really well designed.

Like Toreko Taloon is cool. Miss Tumblstar, who is some whale with blue hair, a thousand piercings and who is desperately trying to look sexy in spite of her weight is not.

>>52738000
If it was going to be a good and fun thread, it would have been one regardless of those posts that barely anyone replied to. People can ignore a shitpost or two to have their discussion. Not many people wanted to discuss something. Tons of threads are stillborn like this.

>>52737873
>>52737878
This may come as a surprise to you, but did you know that virtually no political positions that are monolithic where everyone agrees with eachother? Did you know that this also includes the alt-right/whatever-the-fuck, which is a group so politically fractured, it's hard to even define them?

People who say "whites are superior because of their genes" are the minority on /pol/. Well, at least on 4chan, anyway; on 8gag /pol/, it's basically 90% storm-weenie.

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>>52737925
Nobody's offended by shitposting about dots.

We're offended that we can't have a thread about fantasy India because you retarded faggots can't stop shitposting about dots, and it drowns out the productive discussion.

When more than half the posts in a thread are /pol/shit unrelated to the OP, it offends people who want to get shit done.

>>52738000
Also, the fact that you focus on it being 'racist' instead of just irritating/mindless shitposting, shows that it kind of IS offending you.

>>52738035
You see >>52738027 .

Since there are two o you, there's nothing stopping you from doing it right now. There's an argument currently, because you want to argue and complain. If you want to actually talk about an India fantasy setting, you should do so instead. It's not up to someone else to give you a prompt, after all.

>>52738027
>fat people are disgusting, male or female, and should never be main characters unless they're really well designed.

>what is Chris farley's entire career

>who are John candy, John goodman, and every other fat protaginist in history.

No, you aren't fooling anyone. Or youre even more autistic than you seen.

>>52738049
I'm simply calling a spade a spade.

>>52738049
Shitposting drives away participants.

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>>52724748
This, obviously.

>>52738035
>>52738000
>>52737979
Just ignore the fuckface, and use that report button.

>>52738086
>Unless they're really well designed.
Should've clued you in that I'm talking about fiction, you fat positive dipshit.

Can't say I know any of those people except John Goodman either.

>>52738103
And I'm telling you that you don't actually want to talk about India if you're not even bothering to put in the effort.

>>52738111
They're here right now. Why do you think even I came into this thread?

>>52738120
The janitors here don't do shit except ban people who talk back against the bottom feeder reactionaries

>>52738120
You can do that if you want, but you should note that he started the offtopic complaining about the memes and thus should get banned himself.

Hell, maybe he should have reported the original poo posters instead of complaining. None of 'em were me, so I certainly don't give a shit.

>>52738123

So skinny badly designed protagonists dont offend you. They can be as shitty and two dimensional as possible as long as there's no chub, otherwise you REEEEEEE your pants.

Thats pretty fucking retarded, 'sperg.

>>52738142
I think it's really funny that me calling you an oversensitive baby makes you think I actually hate Indians. It shows you have a really black and white perception of the world.

>>52738161
>So skinny badly designed protagonists dont offend you
Oh, they're certainly offensive, but skinny people aren't innately ugly like fat people.

I also love how you are obviously a whale, btw.

>>52738111
There are litterally 10 words in the OP. If the guy who started the thread didn't even care enough to shape discussion beyond an open-ended prompt, and the next 6 posts were just as uninterested, what makes you think some great discussion would have formed out of nothing?

>>52738123
>Can't say I know any of those people except John Goodman either.

...are you literally 12? Do your parents know you're posting here?

>>52738170
It's the same mindset that makes you complain about there being no discussion, while not trying to start discussion yourself.

>>52738175
I'm not interested in live action comedy movies senpai. Not everyone is some Hollywood fanboy. You're on an anime website, don't be surprised.

>>52738167
>Oh, they're certainly offensive, but skinny people aren't innately ugly like fat people.

>I also love how you are obviously a whale, btw

Your concepts of protagonist characterization are whining about them not being predictable and two dimensional.

Your taste is shit. It doesn't matter if they're fat or skinny, brown or pale, or anything else. Well written characters are well written. That's the only thing that matters, and judging it for anything else makes you pathetic.

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>>52738239
>Your concepts of protagonist characterization are whining about them not being predictable and two dimensional.

>Say I don't like fat people.
>YOU JUST WANT ALL YOUR CHARACTERS TO BE TWO DIMENSIONAL.
You skipped a step somewhere or you think skinny people are literally flat. I mean, maybe after you sit on them, but otherwise no.

>>52738191

>literally bragging about having shit taste and being ignorant of any genre outside of repetitive two dimensional weeaboo shit.

>>52738111
You are correct. Intelligent and good people tend to avoid racist reactionaries even if that means we need to talk about different things than we otherwise might on the Internet.

>>52738271
Less bragging, more total lack of interest. I don't care if you like comedy movies. I really don't. We're not all obligated to like the same genre.

I don't even care if you hate anime, but I will say:
>Whining about weeaboo shit on the quintessential weebpage.

>>52724748
I thought about making a setting like that once. All I got from my initial and by now abandone brainstorming where irresponsible gods handing super weapons, oasis and deserts, djinns, belly dancers, regional warlords, gnoll tribes and of course a caste system. And a buddha like figure.

Didn´t get any further than having the basic setting as an post apocalyptic desert world thanks to the gods irresponsibility. I might pick it back up and actually do something with it.

>>52738142
>this is what anti/pol/ spergs actually believe
Please, tell me more about how everyone is against you. I wanna see just how warped your perception is.

>>52738266

>explicitly bragging about not caring if a character has terrible writing, as long as he can fap to it.

No, the problem is you have shit taste and need to get past puberty. Maybe stop jerking your dock raw to animu shit for a while. That stuff is worthless.

>>52738283
You're on 4chan. You're not a good person no matter what your beliefs are.

>>52738312
But I didn't do that. You're putting words in my mouth because you're fat and got triggered that I hate fat people.

Also, this guy >>52738306 wants to talk about India. Why aren't you replying to him to get what you SAID you wanted? I mean, I know that's a lie and you just wanted to bitch about an old meme, but c'mon don't make it so obvious.

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>>52738320
Posting on the Internet anonymously is not an immoral act in any belief structure.

>>52738390
No, but gravitating towards this place indicates that you have awful, awful karma. It might as well be one of the Narakas.

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What the hell happened here?

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>>52738239
Your concept of characterization is claiming that, if they don't look two-dimensional, they MUST be more complicated than that.
Our concept of characterization is claiming that that, if a character doesn't look two-dimensional, this is usually because the devs are trying to hide that they really are two-dimensional.
Basically, you guys like Metroid Other M, and we like Spec Ops the Line

>>52738283
You see what I'm doing here? This is called "having two conversations at once" It's really, really not that hard.

>>52738420
Sequence of events:

>Someone comes in and hates indivisible.
>Some shitposting from someone who likes the game too much and that other guy, people fling around 'racist' a bunch.
>Things go on fine for a while.
>Some shitposting from someone who got offended at someone mentioning poo, and it looks like people are just mocking that guy right now.

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>>52738398
Since when is burning through bad karma in this life a bad thing?

>>52738353
>But I didn't do that

>Bragged about liking anime bullshit to the exclusion of all else.

>Thinks anyone should listen to his opinion on anything whatsoever.

No, the only fact here is that your taste is shit and your opinion is worthless.

>"the fuck is with this 'Notre Dame de Paris' shit, Quasimodo is ugly, I can't fap to this!"

>>52738420
Shitposters and anti/pol/-posters arguing because literally nobody cares about this thread-topic enough to make an actual setting.

>>52738452
>Bragged
See >>52738301

You seem to think a statement of "I don't know those guys and I don't care because I don't like the genre." is bragging. You're the kind of guy that yells at your friends for not liking the same movies, I take it.

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>>52738442
You are assuming that I care to maintain a conversation with you at all.

>>52738442

False. In depth characterization can happen with characters of any appearance. Your childish assumption that a diverse cast means no real in-depth writing is unsupported by evidence, nor is your childish assumption about honogeneous casts automatically being written with depth. There are high quality and low quality examples of both, but to prejudice either is a sign of immaturity on your part.

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>>52732837
>Who said I can't have my magic real in a game I'm running?
Nobody, and i'm not even claiming its mutually exclusive with a realistic depiction of Indian culture. What's wrong with using the real regional cultures? India is basically an entire continent of cultures, and clothing is a great way to distinguish regions, occupations, etc.

I guess it does take some research, but hey, flavor is presumably the reason you'd be interested in such a thing, right.

>>52738540
>diverse cast
Nobody is talking about your diversity meme, snowflake. This conversation is literally just about fat people. The opening response was even 'yeah man bring on the brown girls'.

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>>52738452
>John Goodman and the fucking Mona Lisa are the same thing
Just stop.

>>52738496
Why not? Don't you talk about Indian fantasy rather than repeatedly shitpost? I know I do, which is why I'm upset that so few people seem interested in this thread.

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>>52738478
The shitposting drove anyone with a moderate interest away because they didn't want to draw the attention of the kind of shitheel faggot who would shitpost racist garbage in /tg/

>>52738484

Yes, you are bragging about being ignorant of genres outside of a narrow and low quality selection.

Its okay if you only like anime, but don't inflict your terrible taste in other people. I know some adult men who consider black pepper "excessively spicy", and thats fine for them, but they have no place talking about food.

Liking bland, repetitive shit is a failing on your part, but a forgivable one as long as you keep it to yourself.

>>52738569
Are you actually Indian? 'cause only they would get that upset about three people posting poo memes way at the start. And tons of people posted on-topic afterward, so, why get offended now and pretend those are the problem?

The two shitstorms afterwards were about videogames and fat characters, none of which are a race to my knowledge.

>>52738597
>you are bragging
Still not seeing it. I'm seeing a lot of bragging on your part though, humpback.

>>52738560

>fixated on fat people when it was always about any diverse cast whatsoever.

Why are you obsessed about fat people?

Yes, any well written character can be good. If you assume it isn't beforehand, that's childish terrible taste on your part.

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>>52724748

Really fucking awesome.

>especially when you find out that your quasi-landsknecht mercenary company with a super-secret heritage back to the quasi-templars carrying around the actual quasi-Holy Lance had an even deeper super secret heritage than that and were unknowingly carrying out a millennial plan to feed the world to quasi-Kali through human sacrifice before aforementioned holy object.
>welp

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>>52738567
I've only read the Ramayana and random bits about the various Devas and Devis. I was hoping to see something other than bottom barrel shitposting about shitting in the streets. It's like these fags have never actually traveled to piss covered American cities and instead live in their suburban basement while their mom brings them tendies!

Hanuman is the original wingman-bro,

>>52738623
>it was always about any diverse cast whatsoever.
Then why did >>52738086 immediately home in on people hating fat characters, them whine about that up until he started trying to act superior about John Goodman? No other kind of 'diversity' even came up.

>>52738642
People had extended conversations about Indian fantasy after those posts. You getting offended about it now is actually what interrupted that, not their original posts.

>>52738567
>fucking Mona Lisa

>Notre dame De Paris

Do u even Victor Hugo, bro?

Shit taste confirmed and locked in.

>>52738540
It CAN happen, but it doesn't. From experience, I've seen that most diverse and interesting casts are diverse and interesting regardless of their physical traits. I've also seen that most casts that are pushed/marketed as diverse so rarely actually are. Therefore, I've become distrustful of casts that people claim are diverse before the game is even out yet.
This distrust has proven to be successful, since the only things I can think of off the top of my head that are physically diverse and have decent characterization are SU and Undertale (I'm sure they are more, but they're too obscure for me to think of automatically).

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>>52738604
No, but I've actually been there and generally rage against ignorant disrespectful assholes who need a serious beating.

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>>52729291

I ended up dropping the comic once main chick returned back to earth.

The designs and name are neat, but once you sit down and realize that's really all the comic has going for it the whole thing sort of falls apart.

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>>52738681
>extended conversations
lol.

You are delusional on every chakra.

>>52736385
Later Hinduism means what, exactly? There's tons of philosophically consistent post-vedic systems. All you are saying is the obvious - that superstitions develop over time that idiots shove into their religion. But I'd argue that philosophically, Vedic Hinduism is rather uninteresting and shallow compared to the discourses seen in the middle ages, or the development of Bhakti, or Nastik branches, etc.

>>52736077
How is this historically accurate at all?
T. Zoroastrian

>>52735750
This is probably just due to a shallower understanding of Indian culture on those authors' parts. What I mean is, its a clinical understanding, as an outsider, and hence not getting the subtleties of what constitutes a feeling of mysticism (or for that matter, any emotion) in the foreign culture.

Honestly, unless you are a total Indiaboo and take time to understand the mythology and cultural context of stuff like classical sanskrit plays, any Indian fantasy setting a westerner makes will be at best, on-par with shitty Mahabharat serials. And there's honestly no point to it, if you're just going to play European fantasy with a reskin.

>>52738655

You mean why refute someone specifically being ignorant of a multiple highly regarded comedians and actors, based in superficial factors?

It has nothing to do with "fat", its about ignorant kiddies ignoring anything that doesnt fit into their terrible taste.
>>52738688

>thinks that bias confirmation is evidence.

>>52738692
Did you just avoid the slums then?

>>52735182
/int/ has it the worst when it comes to /pol/ cross-posting. It's probably the cross-posters that created the meme since it certainly fits the low-brow 'humor' that /pol/acks like to drive into the ground.

>>52738737
Senpai nobody has to listen or watch American comedy to be 'cultured' so this weird preoccupation with how ignorant and unsophisticated you think people are reeks of a trailer park elitism.

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>>52738721
>superstitions develop over time that idiots shove into their religion.

Actually, local superstitions being subsumed into larger religions is politics, not idiocy.

>>52738750
An actual Indian posted about that though, there are documentaries about it, and all kinds of publicized public programs, and they have a mascot and theme song. It's kind of a fact that they exist.

>>52738741
I spent two weeks in the Pahar Gang in Delhi and two weeks in the red light district in Bangalore.

>>52738569
See >>52738420. Anons enter threads, and don't grasp the discussions that have already been happening. See >>52738626 also. People just post in a thread if they're interested, but so few have been interested.

>>52738642
Read a bit about the origins of Hinduism and Zoroastrianism, since they both originate from that indo-persian region, and seem to have the same religious origins. It's really interesting.

>>52738685
Not that familiar with French authors born after the 1800s, other than Camus. But Camus is shit, so fuck him.

>>52738420
There are three ways for Indian-themed thead to go:
1) Dies after 10 posts, because literally nobody gives a fuck about running yet another generic heartbreaker in a slightly exotic location that most people don't even have a vague idea about in the first place
2) Poo in the loo goes out of hand and thread gets pruned by janitors
3) Bunch of asshats fight so hard they produce 200+ posts within few hours, but there is no janitor around to prune the thread.
And it's like this since forever.

And given average "awarness" about what could even be going in India setting, how local cultures and religions work etc and the very basic of local civ being basically unknown for average Joe, this will go till forever like this. Nobody gives two squats about serious Indian setting, because there are no people with enough knowledge around to even create a SPOOF of one. At least a decade ago or so you could have a pretty vibrant Bollywood TTRPG setting made by anons. Now not even that is "familiar", so trying to make threads like this one is bound to fail.
Bonus round if you post it during curry daytime hours, so some asshat will start rabidly defend his country in misguided act of patriotism.

>>52738777
So should redneck teen mom methheads who live in trailer parks define every single fucking conversation we have about America?

>>52738821
Yeah sure, go ahead. I hate those people. Mocking them is funny. Make all the memes you like.

>>52727525
>a fucking wagon wheel

>>52738569
Indian here. I didn't post in this thread, not because of some shitposters, but because its pretty clear nobody (save a few people) actually cares enough to ask good questions or have productive discussion, or is just completely unaware of anything regarding India, besides curry, poverty and Bollywood.

>>52738772
>politics, not idiocy
It can be either. And 'subsumed' is the idea I was challenging. Hinduism has many local cults, basically all of which are tolerated/respected, but the formal philosophy, which is on the Dharma, not the specificities of the worship, doesn't care about. Some local ideas stay local like that, and a few spread further, but mostly this is due to the popularity among common people, not in brahmanic formalism.

>>52738721
I wouldn't call it shallow. It's simply that there wasn't as much liturgical meterial from that time. Or, at least, none that's survived.

>How is this historically accurate at all
That's what was explained to me by a friend. He told me that the reason Zoroastrains worship Ahuras but see Daevas as demons, while Hindus worshipe Devas but see Asuras as demons, was becase they were both originally based on the same Vedic religion. If this is incorect, please tell me more, since my friend's a bit of a smart-ass and I want to show him up.


>>52738737
It's not evidence because there is no evidence because this is literally an argument based on personal taste and perception. Any attempt to demand evidence is nothing but sealioning.

>>52738866
People have an issue understanding that polytheism is often laden with all kinds of local beliefs that aren't actually believed by all worshipers, and are geographically isolated. Tends to cause them confusion trying to reconcile all the various directly contradictory local beliefs into a single canon.

>>52738821
Serious conversation? No.
Conversation on how to make a fictional setting based on that region of the world? Absolutely.

>>52738886
They are not based on the vedic religion, because the worship of the devas instead of the asuras is the vedic religion. They probably all come from an indo-germanic root, but we can't say because it originates form times where we don't have any wiritngs. Not him

>>52738925
Oh okay. I'd still call that "historically accurate," since many historical theories are accepted as fact, especially if there's no compelling alternative.

>>52738917
>this level of bullshit
Kill yourself. Nobody will ever truly love you.

>>52738834
Memes are fine, but as >>52738808 mentions, the vast majority of westerners know jack shit about India, so that is all they know/post about.

>>52738894
>People
You mean people with Abrahamic backgrounds. I find east asians totally understand that fine.

Hinduism has
- About a dozen 'mainstream' schools of formal thought
- Dozens of regional variations, each with different gods, many local ones subsumed into the faith and reconciled with a few formal schools, but thats about it
- Hundreds of smaller local cults
- The in-practice of gods is basically totally separate from the formal philosophy. The former is basically whatever the local people like to do. The latter is extremely complex shit that only scholars actually study, but those scholars are highly respected all the same - leading to 'political' input into the local systems.
The fact that this shit has happened for millennia now, just makes piecing together the history more difficult. Basically to study Indian history, you have to do it state-by-state. There is no single narrative.

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>>52738982
It's not BS. If you want to have a conversation about the so-called public defecation epidemic in India, likely caused by poverty and poor sanitation/infrastructure, you wouldn't see even a hint of shitposting from me, since that's a serious fucking topic.
Personally, however, I'm far more interested in making a setting based on the American south, which would be about 50% shitposting about Clapistan and stupid fucking Burgers.

>>52739024
>You mean people with Abrahamic backgrounds
I don't disagree with you, but this is an English board populated primarily with Americans and other English speakers. Like, what were you expected?

>>52738886
>It's simply that there wasn't as much liturgical meterial from that time. Or, at least, none that's survived.
Liturgy is not philosophy. Vedic faith was highly developed etc. but my point was, the philosophy behind it was shallow and basically non-existent, and basically all classical scholars agreed. That's why there were so many movements to use formal logic and rethink everything that wasn't set in stone. Vedic Brahmins mostly just did rituals because they believed in their gods. They didn't give it much more thought, which is totally reasonable - all other religions at that time were like that. Vedicism =/= Sanatani Dharmas.

>the reason Zoroastrains worship Ahuras but see Daevas as demons, while Hindus worshipe Devas but see Asuras as demons, was becase they were both originally based on the same Vedic religion.
The most probable thing, is that they originally were the same faith, but the reforms of Zoroaster, and the creation of the Sanatana Dharma in classical India, caused them to diverge.

You are wrong though, that Asuras are the demons in either faith. Zoroastrian became more and more dualistic as time went on. Originally, the daevas were just 'mistaken'. Similarly the asuras of India include many worshiped gods, Varuna or Mitra for example. How both changed over time to include and use the words Sur/Deva and Asura is a pretty complex topic, but basically, its not because of any particular conflict.

Feel free to ask me questions on Zoroastrianism, I am practicing. But I'm from India, hence the (albeit sketchy in places) knowledge of Hinduism.

>>52739091
>Like, what were you expected?
I didn't expect otherwise. That's why I don't bother contributing to these threads usually. I only did because one guy seemed genuinely interested.

>>52739280
>Asuras are the demons in either faith
What are Ahuras, then? I've had it described to me as kinda like Zoroastrian guardian-angels, which is very far from what demonic Asuras are seen as. Is it not like that in Zoroastrianism?

>>52739091
>American south,
No way, a faux-moderate racist apologist is interested in the American south!

>>52739810
Look man, I get it. Arguing for it's own sake is fun, and I do it all the time on Tumblr. Being disingenuous is fun and all if you don't want to resolve anything with the conversation, but I was hoping this one would be more than just verbal masturbation.

Earlier, you were asking how I'd feel about applying shitposting to "redneck teen mom methheads who live in trailer parks," so I obviously understood that to be the American south. We both understood that, so don't try pull any of that disingenuous false outrage BS.

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>>52736490
Yes, they do, and they do manifest in Avatars, but those Avatars don't reside in the Council. There's also magic and stuff, and not all of it arises from the gods. It is ambiguous though, and the players don't really know what goes on in the Council - the Avatars generally come from lofty clans and are totally separated from the rest of the empire.

>>52740094
What percentage of Avatars would you say are actually elected to the council? What percentage are just powerful Clerics faking it really well?

>>52724820
some bhangras pretty good t.b.h
also desi chicks are pretty hot so there's that.
>>52729650
>So this is basically the Rogue caste is what you're saying
No: they're basically fucking skaven but without the redeeming features

>>52724748
>>52724815
You forgot the rape. Indians love rape. Their History and Mythology is so full of it that it makes Greek-Mythology look decent.

>>52740650
Care to give some examples?

>>52724748
Smelly.

>>52724919
9/11

>>52726652
Tekumel

>>52740287
I thought Untouchables were people who mostly handled corpses for lower caste funerals and so forth.

>>52724748
The world being destroyed/incinerated/flooded completely by assholes invoking god-weapons several times a day.

Hindu mythology often reads like some sort of bat-shit epic fantasy anime. A bunch of dudes who become enlightened by violence and gain the ability to summon weapons via sacred mantras, most of which are capable of killing armies or destroying continents.

>>52740243
Oh I never really thought about it. Probably a good amount of the more political or stately gods, like Dharma or whatever. The other thing is, they might not be 'pretending' - they might seriously believe it themselves. When you're raised in an atmosphere that centers around that, I think you'll just believe it. They're generally quite sincere in their faith, as the most acceptable (and easy, for that class of people) magical power comes from faith. The other forms of magical power come from academic study and the taking of extreme ascetic vows.

>>52733189
>That's one of those things I really and honestly despise in Indians - they are so fucking insecure it's not even funny, acting like children when pushed: putting fingers in their ears, turning back and going away at best, throwing an aggressive tantrum at worst.

That's just 4chan

>>52737925

>>52738000
>>52738035

These two are exactly right. We're not offended, we're bored.

>>52739091
>I'm far more interested in making a setting based on the American south
It's easy to base any sort of modern genre in the south, or anything with a victorian or elizabethan theme, they work especially well with horror genres, but I don't see how you can make a fantasy setting with the South. They just don't have the pagan/folklore background necessary to construct a setting or mythology, even if you transpose medieval culture to it, or even base it on colonial times.

>>52739810
If you ever want to know why America is ultimately doomed to balkanize, it's because of people like you that attack an entire region based on your media perceptions. You think you can insult the south at every turn and expect them to stick with you when the economy collapses?

>>52744276
If you passive aggressive cunts spend as much time building setting as you spend complaining about offensive posts and getting triggeres you could write another 'War and Peace'.

You pretend you wouldn'tbe just as lazy, impotent and uncreative otherwise. Go ahead and make something cool so we drop our jaws in amazement, ignore the noise for a second.

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oh hey look a thread about non-Western fantasy cultures devolved into /pol/ and anti/pol/ idiocy. Colour me fucking surprised.

>>52738113
fuck that's cool looking

>>52738546
you'd be amazed at how many people can't seem to wrap their heads around just how many goddamn cultures there are in India.

>>52744474
Go ahead and leave, cunt. We're the ones with all the money, you fucking leeches.

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>>52745349
>We're the ones with all the money
Wrong. Two of the top growing economies in the united states are North Carolina and Georgia. As huge swaths of the north shrink, the south grows.

>>52743627
Does that mean that there are actual Avatars of the gods living in obscurity with incredible powers? Is there some orphaned child with the skill of a master acrobat-thief, thanks to the spirit of Hanuman that rest within him?

>>52740650
I'm pretty sure its the other way around. Hindu mythology is actually pretty devoid of that, and actually respects women much more than ancient Greek culture, or really most ancient mythologies.

>>52739756
As I mentioned, Ahuras were not that benevolent, and Daevas were not evil at all. Ahuras were just righteous in spirit/path (the right term here is along 'Asha'), so they were to be worshiped.

And again, Asuras are not demonic, not even close.

Sentient blobs of Shit that spawn on roads

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>people think "designated shitting streets" is a meme

>>52724748

Women that are either untouchable to very touchable, with no in-between

>>52744233
I've spend there 2 years on a research grant. They are like this IRL.

>>52740791
>>52745902
>Hindu mythology is actually pretty devoid of that, and actually respects women much more than ancient Greek culture, or really most ancient mythologies
Is this what SJWs actually believe?

- Krishna would spend all his day fucking women who explicitly described to now have been all willing.
- Lakshman who cut off the ears and nose of Surpunaka for telling him she is in love in him.
- You have a dude whose name I forgot who would go around explicitly raping housewives and when the husbands came back for revenge they could not defeat him because of the devotion of his own wife Vrindu to him. Basically Vridnu the wife of the rapist had rapist-protection powers to save him from harm.
- There was this whole thing of "If you rape a woman, I can rape any of your family-members as punishment"

And now stop asking for me to spoonfeed you and go read the Itihaasa and the Puraanam youself.

>>52732306
That's because it's shit. 1st Edition AD&D with Indian names slapped over the top.

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>Yakshas (cannibalistic dryads, pic related)
>Rakshasas (devils, but not necessarily demonic weretigers, the king of Sri Lanka was one with ten human heads)
>Devas (angels)
>Vanaras (basically shamanic monkeymen)
>Nagahs (good yuan-ti)
>Apsaras (cloud nymphs)
>Gandharvas (celestial avorals)
>Kinnaras (barbarian reverse centaurs, horse head, human legs, etc)
>Asuras (Demon Lords, some could be just neutral instead of malevolent)
>Pretas (starving demonic corpses/ghouls that sometimes escape from hell to eat shit/dead animals/putrid water/etc)
>Garudas (supernatural birds, sometimes described as humanoid, sometimes as gigantic elephant eaters, sometimes as pretty much an Indian phoenix)
>Singhs (werelions)
>Kumbhandas (spectral dwarfs/gnomes with testicles the size of watermelons that protect the houses of people who worship/feed them)

>>52740650
>>52745902
>Hindu mythology is actually pretty devoid of that
Hindu actually has parallels in either its imposed moral code or actual myths to most instances of rape in Hellenic religion. Furthermore, Hellenism encompasses extremely pro-woman cults. In fact, the division of Hellenism into cults devoted to individual gods means you cannot really apply blanket terms to it. Zeus pretty much raped nonstop, rape is the main subject of almost every story told about him (and yet he is still cast in a positive light, raping because he could not control his intense love for any mildly attractive woman or boy he saw). Then again, when a god rapes or molests in Hindu it is also cast in a positive light- What would be a crime if a mortal did it is just lighthearted mischief if it's a god.

On the other hand, Artemis was so disgusted by sexual perversions that according to Callimachus when offered six wishes by her father Zeus, presumably to curry favour with her so he could fuck her later, her first wish was to forever remain a maiden; and she also slew Apollo's human mistress without batting an eye when Apollo beseeched her to deal with Coronis after she laid with another (mortal) man. Even Dionysus, the god of pleasure, punished rapists brutally, showing that consent was an important aspect of his brand of lustful debauchery. And if mortals raped the gods would sometimes even overreact, destroying the perpetrator's entire family or, in the case of Laius (who later sired Oedipus), their entire city.

The cult of Zeus puts even Hinduism to shame, but most ancient Greek cults are actually pretty heavily against that kind of thing. In fact, there's a lot more rape throughout all of Greek mythology, but the key distinction is that, outside of Zeus just having an irate wife (who married him after he raped her), in Hellenism rapists and adulterers are almost invariably punished horribly for their crimes, whereas in Hindu they are not.

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>>52748231
Then Medusa is raped by Poseidon and punished by Athena for being raped.

Also don't forget about adding these in to your setting as a hard counter to bards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visha_Kanya

>>52731031
Yeah, Hinduism is capeshit the religion.

>>52748472
That's just Greeks being Greeks. Never cease to amaze me when people talk about "superior Greek culture" or "backbone of European civilisation" when referring to one of the most racist and misogynistic asshats EVER walking this planet.

>>52747732
Do they come with additonal arms, breasts and dicks?

>>52745370
Not him, but considering almost absurd disparity already, the North would have to literally burn to the ground and only then Deep South would stand a chance to catch up for real
Growing =/= big

>>52750317
Nobody gives a fuck if they were racist or sexist. Everyone was. It's the ancient world. Only reason you shit on them in particular for it is because they're European.

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>>52750338
You really have no idea what you're talking about. You know both Texas and Florida are Southern states, right? Both ahead of most northern states. 2nd and 4th respectively.

North Carolina? 9th largest economy (9th in population too), so wealthier than most northern states. Georgia is 11th. Virginia is 10th.

http://greyhill.com/gross-state-product

This was in 2011, by the way. Combine that with the continuing growth in the southern economy? They're going to close that fucking gap.

The idea that the south is poor is a stereotype, where you think the whole place is like Mississippi or something because of some propaganda bullshit,.

>>52738917
This kind of "You have nothing to say about a group unless you are one" kind of reasoning is why nobody gives a shit about the supposed plights of certain minorities. They push away everyone who might have helped them by lumping all "others" into one big enemy group.