Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

FIRST FOR PLASTIC SISTERS OF BATTLE

TG, what's the worst injury you've received related to 40k, be it model-building or actually playing the game?

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First for da boyz!

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oh no you got one. here is the rest of the unbound list i actually own.

What rules are you looking forward to being reworked/removed?

Which edition had the best ruleset?

>>52718167
I sliced my finger down to the knuckle trying to smooth out a banshee's butt. That scar will never heal.

Orks and Nids need a good fucking bullying

Sliced an index fingertip down to the bone with a scalpel whilst trying to take some rivets off, luckily I lived across the street from a hospital.

>>52718167
I got a minor fracture on my elbow, and a broken knight, after I tripped on a handful of cards some sperg tossed away in a fit becausee he lost a round last FNM

Does anyone have the book/short story with the female necron lord, and also the one with the sister of battle that get trapped in the room with the respawning lynchgyard
I'm pretty sure those are the same, I just talked to a buddy of mine about them and I can not for the life of me remember the name of the story

Anons, do any of you have a link to the old Inquisitor rulebook?

Plastic Abaddon when?

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reminder that this is a fluffy list according to cruddace codex

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>Playing Orks
>Guy I'm playing argues every single rule I have
>Can't believe Orks would be so powerful as to have t5 warbosses
>Can't believe I would have such a powerful rule as to ignore failed moral tests at the costs of "only a few models"
>Meanwhile he has a 2++ invulnerable
>rerolling 1s
>and a 4+ FnP
>...on his troops
How was your Saturday, /tg/?

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Thoughts on this TSons list?

>>52718447
I sprayed models with purity seal

so pretty fucking bad

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>>52718443
>reminder that this is a fluffy list according to cruddace codex
What? Are you crazy?!
It can't be, that list half way powerful!

>your Primarch or their equivalent gets immediately released

However

>Crudace instantly releases new, Tyranid tier Codex for your faction

Would you take that deal anons? Especially if you don't already use Orks or bugs.

>>52718474
"flying shit with spores" is completely legitimate according to the 6th edition codex fluff

>>52718505

>Fabius Bile makes yet another clone of Horus

Fuck no.

Also, what's with the Black Legion being unable to access Cult Marines other than Berzerkers in formations? I just want my Cabal-led Rubricae :(

>>52718518
>tyranids
>not a swarm of warriors, gants, gaunts and rippers

>>52718505
But my primary is already out, and I play CSM
So I mean I guess I have to?

>>52718550
The first wave of a tyranid invasion is spores and flying creatures, it says it right there in the codex. FMC spam with spore troops is fluffy. So sayeth Cruddace.

Every time a guard player gets tabled by flyrants that is the will of cruddace.

>>52718550
>not a swarm of warriors, gants, gaunts and rippers
Fuck now I want to do this.
How do I make this work? How do you even run Warriors? They have fuck all in ranged capabilities but kitting them for melee makes them super overcosted...

>>52718592
Swarms of warriors don't exist, they cost a minimum of 90 points per brood, they straight up can't be fielded in numbers.

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>>52718146
Xth for Ogryns.
Whats their band name again?

What would be the best use of points, an additional heavy thunder hammer in a vanguard squad at the cost of a storm shield vanguard in a corvus or giving four of my eight bikers power weapons?

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>>52718636
>tfw Warriors will never be able to survive a Battle Cannon
>tfw Warriors will never be 25 pts/model and start with 4 Talons
>tfw Warriors will never be able to pull their weight

3rd edition was the best time for tyranids

>>52718505
Lion el'Jonson isn't even that good of a warrior so I'll pass, thanks.

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>>52719001
I wish we could get the old IB table back... Just change Attack! result to Rage and movement/charge to nearest enemy unit. Why have 3 d6 tables of shit when you could have a nice and simple d3 table with the occasional benefit/penalty

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>>52718505

>Finally be able to stare deeply into the eyes of Sanguinius as the black rage quells in my heart

>>52718679
Mon'Keigh Business

Lore Question:

do necrons lose a little of their personality every time they are reincarnated/rebuilt.

I realize some necrons didn't have much personality left after the initial transfer to metal body but I could have sworn they lost a little more of their will/personality every time they were re-forged.

>>52719158
Conversely, anyone really really miss Phase Out? From both a mechanical and lore-wise perspective?

>>52719069
Did sweeping advance used to mean something else? because the way I'm reading it is that you get to charge you and then immediately sweep you and wipe out your unit for free?

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So I picked this up today to bolster my Chaos/Dark Mechanicum guys. Any ideas how to convert Saint Celestine? I was thinking I'd turn her and her Seraphim into some sort of Raptor-ish horrorshow.

>>52718505
But Guilliman is already here.

>>52718505
But my chapters primarch is dead.

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I'm playing an apocalypse game, and I wanted to ask are chaos renegade enforcers actually strength 5, because the renegade player's pdf statline says they are, but even he doesn't believe it.

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>>52719386

>>52719295
DELETE THIS

FERRUS MANUS LIVES

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>>52719386
Maybe with a power maul...

>>52719415
FULGRIM KILLED HIM, ACCEPT IT
;_;

>>52719165
I do, right now RP feels like a FnP.

Dropping some Necrons and see them return is way more entertaining than save, RP oh nothing happen.
To save, time pass, oh shit they are back

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WAKE ME UP

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CAN'T WAKE UP

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>>52719432
>>52719411
Oh god where did these renegades and heretics come from

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SAVE MEEEEEE

>>52719672
Nice looking Eldar. Would not mind getting table by turn 2

>>52718167
Stepped on a sprue, it's like a lego.

I really enjoyed the gathering storm books, when will new books release? Are there even any books planned at all?

>>52719798
Having this level of shit taste

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>>52718146

>Calling your Storm Troopers Militarium™ Tempesturian™ Tempestorian™ Scionions™ unironically

>>52719817
as long as you don't call your Space Marines "Codex™: Adeptecanicus™ Custodies™ Astartanium™ Rubiote™ Gillman™ Astartes™ lead by Cato™ Sicarius™ of the Ultra™ Marines™"

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Third attempt.

Im planning on starting a Death Korps of Krieg army, playing them as normal IG, thinking of having a few Basilisks while the rest of the Infantry holding positions.

Now here's the thing: Is IG viable? I mean, im not playing only to win, but i'd really like not to be the guy with the army who always gets wrecked in every game by Necron/Tau/Eldar/Anything. I want to have a chance.

>>52719948
Why not play using the real death korps rules? They seem to be on par with IG for power level.

>>52719672
>>52719652
>>52719639
BKG?

>>52719948
IG are fine and have a lot of ways to play.

If you ever have to ask "Is X faction viable" just consider the following?

Is X Orks or Tyranids?

>>52718453
Bad, but fluffy and fun

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>>52719639
>>52719652
>>52719672

>HB turrets for Chimeras

>>52720011
U rustled waacshit?

>>52720011
They only reason to that is for Psy Bolt

S6 Ap4 Heavy 3 x2 is the best 5 points you can spend on a Chimera

>See dow 3 matches
>mobile ui and incredibly flashy, speeches about big esports future, moba game mode, 'line units' that are cannon fodder and 'elite' that look like prime dlc material
I've never seen a game that tried this hard since SupCom 2

>>52719817
I use both names. Though I'll only use Tempestus/Scions about as often as I use Astartes.

I like to think the grunts use storm trooper, while the more educated/ancient organizations use the elaborate names. Space marines are the sorts of characters that sound better in my mind when booming a bunch of faux-latin.

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>>52720065
I bet there will be Guilliman DLC and he will be in colors of Blood Ravens and he replaces Emperor's Sword with double spear +5 poison damage.

>>52720065
Wow. Rot in hell, DoW3.

All I wanted was a nice fanservice rts game. Not fucking three races as starter, Chaos or Necron expac and final IG expac and that's fucking it.

4 Enginseers attached to 3 Servitors with an Atlas Recovery tank for 8 2+ repair rolls (half I can split to whatever the Atlas touches) with re-rolls for 275 points.

Is this too much for a repair crew for an Emperor's Fury formation in a 2v2 Apocalypse sized game? I kinda want to double up for up to 16 HP per turn and escort them with Lemans and Guardsmen.

>>52719971
Do I find them inside the Codex, or should I download them from FW? Some people where I am don't want to play with FW rules.
>>52719995
You are right. What I ment is "are the IG going to have a chance with most X"? I don't know players of IG personally, that's why im asking to people I don't know online. The lasgun doesn't look good.

>>52720207
print only from fw with international shipping

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So let's timeskip ahead an arbitrary amount of time. Old sprues have been updated (CSM, IG, so on) and everything is in tip-top condition for the introduction of a new race or faction into the world of 40K. What would make sense to bring to the table? Some named races:
Rak'Gol - Demiurg and Squats - Cryptos - Enslavers - Hrud - Tarellians - K'nib - Khrave - Galgs - Slaugth - Cell-Kin - Zoats - Lacrymole - Umbra - Yu'Vath - Gykon - Nephilim - Saruthi -


Let me hear your wishes.

>>52720283

Demiurg/Squats. I want my dwarven space bikers back dammit!

>>52720308
They are in AoS. Sadly the bike are now Guns of Icarus airboat

>>52720009
How to make it less terribad while retaining a decent level of fluffiness and fun-ness?

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>>52720283
I would like to see Tarellians added to the Tau Empire.

For a new race Hrud in their original form or Rak'Gol.

So, just played 2K with my Tau vs Black Templars. Lost due to friend getting lucky objective cards late game but man did I do some damage. Outflank is stupidly underrated, I had almost complete board control with stealthsuits. shit was fun as fuck.

Things I need to keep in mind though is all those little extra effect wargear give you. I completely forgot my commander's neuroweb jammer and puretide chip. How do you guys keep track of that shit?

>>52720207
Download them from the mega in the OP. The latest rules are in Imperial armor the siege of vraks version 2

>>52720365
Practice. I'll never forget a Chapter Master orbital bombardment ever again.

>>52720207
The Lasgun gets better in volume. Have a 50 man blob buffed with first rank second rank fire at something. Then realize you can cast Prescience on them.

>>52720283
Cat-girls.

>>52720365
Dude i ALWAYS forgot fucking neuroweb every fucking game
I may as well not even pay for it

>>52720390
Yeah I guess so. It'd help if I wrote down the effects on my list, I guess. Question also, how do you keep a Vindicare alive better? Mine picked off two dangerous dude but got punked Turn 3. Sword Brother with powerfist and a meltabiker. Friend caught on that that guy needs to go ASAP.

Also another dumbass move of mine is to have the Fireblade on the front of the squad. My love for heroic leadership and posing kinda cost me a lot of extra firepower. Was awesome though, overwatch with him decimated an assault squad.

>>52719980
Idk what that is sorry

>>52720338
The airships in GoI look a damn sight better than the Kharadron ones IMO (when they're not on fire, anyway) , those just look really cartoonish and odd rather than cool. If someone was to port the Edge Chronicles ships into GoI I would be a happy man. All you'd need to do is put sails and a flight-rock on a Galleon.

>>52718447
Learned I have to get glasses. The good news is my insurance paid for almost all of it. The bad news is now I'll look like a fucking nerd.

>>52720415
Fug, man. It's 2 points so it's not like it's that big a deal but it's useful as fuck.

>>52720448
Are you playing at Black Knight Games?

>>52718447

what troops get a 2++ invul rerollable and 4+ FnP

>>52720448
big killy gun

>>52720460
EXACTLY
The potential is there for some serious hilarity.

>>52720373
>>52720402
Danke. Also, am I to wait until next summer for the codex? The guy at the store keeps telling me to do so.

>>52720475
T-Sons?

>>52720283
Megarachnids, I don't think it was mentioned what their fate was, but assuming Abaddon didn't sperg out and go back to murder MURDER, then they could be pretty cool. Then again, I guess they're a bit too similar to nids.

>>52720475
I wanna say some sort of TSons formation since rerollable throws of 1 is basically Favored of Tzeentch.

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Why is he so perfect /tg/?

>>52718167
I got shot in a holdup at my FLGS

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Now that they revealed the villain of the Dawn of War 3. What does /tg/ think of the story? Personally I was kinda disappointed but the last reveal in the epilogue drew my interest.

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>>52720591

What happened?

>>52720591
>holdup
>FLGS
Jesus where are you? Detroit?

>>52720542
>>52720510
Tsons re-roll 1s if Favoured but can't get 2++ unless it's some weirdo spellfuckery but you'd have to be lucky. No FnP 4+ neither. If I'm wrong, do tell how cause I play them and I'd love to know this trick~

>>52720493
Guard blobs with that can kill more of themselves everytime they shoot I think.

>>52720283
Have these other races added in the way the forge world monsters are in fantasy/sigmar. Certain races can have them as mercenaries and you don't need a whole product line.

>>52720607

Where did they finally reveal the villain of DoW3? And what reveal in the epilogue?

>>52720632
Endurance and cursed earth or something wacky psychic shit

>>52720646
The Novelisation of the game was released today. It gave away the plot of the game. Want me spoiler it?

>>52720660

Go for it, mang. Maybe spoiler that shit for some people

>>52720591
$30 says Detroit or Chicago.

>>52720646
Main baddie is Chaos Khorne. Epilogue is Necrons are coming.

>>52720660
Its lol KAYOSS amorite?

>>52720473
No

This question's out to any Tau player with more experience than me. How hard does a Firebase Support cadre with interceptor cuck flyers/droppods/raiders and the like? I have sort of an allcomers list I've been building for a while now, since I don't want to list tailor for games, but one of the main people I play against is a Deldar player with lots of boats and a flyer or two. If I take this, am I going to make his games unfun? 1850 with no anti-air/deeptrike counter measures seems like it could be big problem

>>52720475
It was Thousand sons.

He had sorcerers with 3+ invulnerable saves that can reroll 1s in a rubric squad and he said if he cast a blessing on himself he could increase it by one so he just cast endurance on himself every psychic phase.

The funny thing is, he challenged out my nob and took one wound off him with his force staff, thinking he killed him only for me to tell him my squad leaders have two wounds.
He gave me this massive look of disgust when I told him that and asked me how much I pay for them...

Chaos players of TG, would you play Tzeentch Daemonkin or Nurgle Daemonkin? Would you be open to Slaneesh Daemonkin?

>>52720631
>>52720669
What army do you think a stereotypical african ghetto gentleman would play?

>>52720759
Daemonkin book with speed and lots of sonic weapons ? sign me the fuck up

>>52720760

Orks

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>>52720759
of coooourse slaanesh is the best god

>>52720760
Blood Ravens

>>52720759
Yes to all of them

>>52719639

>Biel-Tan
>every visible model is a Wraith unit, zero aspect warriors

this player needs to commit suicide immediately

>>52720627
>>52720631
>2015
>FLGS in once nice but out of the way part of town, cheap rents for niche shops
>since 2008/9 recession had got a lot rougher and a lot of places shut down
>Playing on a sunday, about half a dozen in the store inc' the owner
>That rarest of all gamers appears, the 'Salamander player' comes in
>I've seen some shit but never a black guy in a games store
>Owner asks him if he needs any help, we're all staring a bit
>I use the distraction to stick a few casualties back in a conscript platoon
>karma is a bitch
>the newcomer takes a gun out of his pants and starts shouting that the owner put the money in his bag
>probably like $42 in the register
>guy I'm playing against shrieks so fucking loud the newcomer spins round at him
>don't know if he meant to pull the trigger but I take one in the left arm
>'least I can still roll' I think
>Jamal races to get the fuck out
>Opens the door
>gets on the floor
>everybody walks the dinosaur

No I'm kidding, not even american. Probably cutting my finger was the worst or something.

>>52720733
not sure, but raiders are av 10/10/10 open topped they're not that hard to destroy but can get 3+ jink due to nightshields or stealth

>>52720759
slaanesh sure, i already have enough to run all the slaanesh formations. what would be their gimmick? morale breaking? rending on 4s as a reward would be nice. fuck the other gods they get enough stuff and nurgle is getting an update next.

Anyone happen to have an epub or pdf of the Fabius Bile: Primogenitor novel? Doesn't seem to be in any of the megas yet.

>>52720667
>>52720676
-The Spear of Khaine was a ruse by Chaos in order to attract people to the planet and have them fight over the relic.
-The Planet is a huge planetiod covered with ice and rock but within it is a ANOTHER planet in the shape of a labyrinth made of blackstone that for some reason make the Eldar freak out
The planet is in fact a cage for a powerful daemonic entity created a mysterious beings long ago
-The daemon requires blood and carnage to free itself from the cage. The three forces give it enough blood to break free
-You know the trailer where corpses rain all over the battlefield? It's a Warp metaphor for the daemon feeding on death and souls of all who died on the planet
-Angelos, Macha, and Gotgutz make a loose alliance to defeat the daemon. They blow up the planet before the daemon can get enough power to restore itself, causing it to weaken.
-BOSS BATTLE. Gotgutz, Macha,
and Angelos fight the super daemon as one.
They defeat the daemon and banish it to the Warp and then go their separate ways. Gorgutz takes the pointy end of the Spear of Khaine as a trophy before leaving
-The planet was utterly destroyed except for its b;lack core that kept on hur;ling in space

-Somewhere else, the deathless and eternal masters of the world looked on with "cold fury"as their World Cage was destroyed and their prisoner was set free. They vowed revenge on the lesser races that brought ruin to their works and ancient designs. Can you guess who they are?

>>52720823
The gimmick would probably be something like ways to make them a stronger alpha strike army and stacking debuffs.

>>52720647
But Cursed Earth only affects daemons...

>>52720738
That's illegal as far as I know. 3++ is from Sigil (4++) and a Mark of Tzeentch (+1) but it states the MoT can only give you up to 3++. As soon as it gets better, it "turns off" so to speak, so it's still 3++ max as the blessing detachment bonus kicks back in.

Also this guy seems to give us TS players a bad name. The fuck is he seriously being a bitch about Orks for?

>>52720738
That doesn't work. Mark of Tzeentch can't take a save past a 3++, so the only way to get down to a 2++ is to cast Electroshield or stack multiple invuln buffs (like Sanctuary from Sanctic).

The reroll one's thing is highly restrictive in terms of what you can take. Did he have 3x Rubricae squads and 3x Terminator squads?

Your opponent sounds like a cheating, ignorant fool.

>>52720760

WHFB: Tomb Kings
40k: Salamanders

>>52720850
>Can you guess who they are?
It's gotta be Tyranids

>>52720873
Orks are clearly over powered. Only the most WAACiest WAACfags would ever run more than four squads of boyz or a Killacan.

>>52720759
I'm still salty that Wrath of Magnus wasn't Tzeentch Daemonkin. Disc Sorcerers still don't have a good escort unit, and Heralds would have been a great way to cheaply babysit shooty CSM units with Divination.

>>52720850
>Can you guess who they are?

The Old Ones

>>52720892
>>52720907
Wrong. It's totally Tau.

>>52720733
Depends on how your pal deploys his Deldar. Your friend is going to have to try really hard for his positioning, because physical line of sight blocking is realistically the only defense against Tau for Deldar.

I don't remember if the Firebase Support Cadre can get ignore cover, but even without it, I don't think the flyer will live long because those are also AV10, and even with a 3+ jink, it won't survive long.

I suppose your Deldar friend could null deploy and attempt to deepstrike his entire force in your lines, but that's extremely risky due to Interceptor.

So yeah, pretty fucking cucked.

>>52720891
>not necrons for that WE WUZ SPESS KANGZ N SHIET

>>52720873
Idk man chaos psychic is weird af

>>52720347
>tarellians
>not as a stand-alone minidex with Hatred: Imperium

>>52720921

How can you cheeky fucks miss all the calling signs of the __hrud_? I mean it's obvious.

>>52720850
Wait a second there is a plothole. Necrons slept 60 million years ago before daemons even formed in the warp how did they capture this daemon let alone create a world cage to imprison it?

>>52720924
>physical line of sight blocking is realistically the only defense against Tau for Deldar.
What is 'Smart Missile Systems and airburst launchers' for 500 please ?

Still agree with your tactical advice, but hiding outside LoS still doesnt save a deldar player.

>>52720873
>That's illegal as far as I know.

This. Post yfw the guy was cheating while bitching about your shitty orks.

If you ever run into him again tell him some guy on the internet called him a huge fucking faggot bitch for cheating while complaining about the literal worst army in the game

>>52720850
Neat.
Too bad we don't het new stuff about the old guys, but I suspect the new crew at Relic wants people to forget them.

>>52720760
While working as a redshirt there was only one black guy who played at the store.

He played 'nids, even had forgeworld stuff. Was pretty chill.

>>52720998
There were enslavers, which are like proto demons but far nastier. Perhaps enslavers reintroduced into 40k?

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>>52720967
No. It's chaotic but it still makes sense. Your opponent is an asshole and I was there I'd smack him with a book. TS is a faction for chaosbros only.

>>52718146
What's some good psychic disciplines to roll on for Death Guard? I want to use a lot of psykers. The new Nurgle one from Traitor Legions is very solid, but it'd be nice to roll on something else if i roll a good Nurgle one on the first roll.
Could just go all out on the Nurgle table though. Speaking of which, the one that gives or improves Poison states that you get a 2+ poison if you already had any poison before. Due to how that's worded, it'd seem that if you cast it at Spawn and they then rolled poison on their random bonus in the fighting phase they would not benefit from it, correct? If so that's too bad, as my spawn are likely the only unit to be effective in close combat.

Considering that TSons army lists devour points harder than any pure Termie army ever could dream of, what's the best way to field the efficiently? What're the best units one can deploy in order to get the most out of the detachments, psychic abilities, etc.?

>>52721050
Biomancy is good on anybody that will be going into CC (one decent Witchfire, two good self-buffs, one great unit buff, one great malediction). Heretech is good for anti-vehicle, Telepathy is always nice to fish for Invisibility/Shrouding due to the excellent Primaris as a fallback.

>>52721050
Though it does state "Any models that already had the Poisoned special rule on their Melee weapons or attacks instead have the Poisoned (2+) special rule whilst this power is in effect."
Now, they didn't "have" the poison while the power was cast, but they can get it while it is in effect. Thoughts on that?

>>52721089
Magnus and three Princes stapled onto some daemons.

Ahriman and three Exalteds stapled onto some daemons.

Unfortunately, Scarab Occult and Rubric Marines do fuck-all for their point cost and don't really serve any purpose that other Chaos lists will need filled.

>>52721050
>my spawn are likely the only unit to be effective in close combat.
Don't underestimate plague knives.

>>52720998

Not a plot hole. That got retconned in recent books, especially one of the gathering storm books. The Necrons and Old Ones both were caging daemons during the war in heaven.

>>52721090
Biomancy could be good, but the unit buff doesn't give much on DG. You do gain EW and 4+ fnp, but you already had 5+ fnp and relentless, and EW will only be helpful in specific situations and only for any HQ characters. Though I just realized my spawn don't get fnp as they don't have veterans.
Enfeeble however is really nice, due to having more powers like that in Nurgle. Could put enemies at very low T.
I probably won't do telepathy though, Invisibility is too absurd, it'd feel like cheating, especially on something as tough as DG marines.

So when is the new Imperial Armour out, with all that supposedly tasty DarkMech stuff?

>>52721128
>The Necrons and Old Ones both were caging daemons during the war in heaven.

For what purpose?

>>52721119
Is it possible to field a TSons Grand Coven without it being pure shite? Or is that just a pipe dream?

>>52721128
So the chaos gods weren't created by humanity?

>>52721203
Time doesn't matter in the Warp.

>>52721125
Won't run Plague Marines. Sadly they can't be taken in a Warband, and their own core formation is a bit too boring. Also you pay a lot for very little with them, as DG turns normal marines into PMs without plague knives and blight grenades pretty much. So I basically see my standard marines as Plaguemarines.

>>52721203
Wasn't it that Khorne was born from the Crusades, Nurgle was born during the Black Plague and Tzeentch was born during the Renaissance or something?

>>52721089
TSons detachment is bloody great. thing is you need to ask yourself what kind of army you'd like. If you play pure TSons (no daemons) you will be an elite army at a solid middle-tier. Depending on your spells generate, you may even be considered high-end middle. But if you for daemons, you will be unstoppable cheese... but you won't be Thousand Sons. TSons are in the aesthetic and style, and a big part of that are Rubrics and Scarab Occult. You can't play the legion without the fucking legion, afterall.

If you go daemons, then >>52721119 is right. If you want to play TS, I'd recommend a War Cabal for starters. 1 or 2 Rubric squads, 1 scarab occult and regular sorcerers. ML3 is efficient, Spell familiars are mandatory, Discs of Tzeentch are god-like as they give you +1T, amazing movement and 24" turbo-boost after the psychic phase.

If you don't use that turbo-boost, you can instead run around with retinues of spawn. they'll help you soak the damage, but each one is like 34 points. A fully tricked out Sorc is 170, so it becomes a personal choice. I don't use them, I play them very aggressively on boards with plenty of terrain and have good results.

have a sort of distraction or two. I have 2 maulerfiends smash into the enemy frontlines and they raise sufficient panic (as well as tear through any vehicles)

>>52721196
Because they could not kill them.

>>52721196
Cause daemons are fuckin weird yo, and weird shit is hard to study during a war of that scale
So you lock them up in impromptu magical boxes and come back to that shit when the war is won

>>52721196

Well, if one of those races was caging them because they were fucking with their source of power, and the other was caging them because they were fucking with their ability to turn off their opponents' source of power, it makes sense to bottle as many daemons as possible like Link bottles fairies.

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>>52721198
>>52721242
I field it and this is what I run. Don't expect to wreck faces (but then, depends what you play against and the spell rolls) but I find it solid and fluffy as fuck. So many spells!

>>52721234

2e fluff, long since retconned. Only Slaanesh has a clearly defined birth.

What's ya warbossez name /tg/?

>>52721226
Basically I'll be running my army as I think DG should be: Large amounts of footslogging marines. 2 large squads of marines, and 3 squads of havocs I think (as havocs are just better CSM due to weapon choices apart from not getting to go over 10-man squads).
Then psykers for buffs and maledictions, and a unit of spawn to draw fire early on or maybe get to assault something early on.

>>52721185
I think darkmech was supposed to be next horus heresy book with next imperial armour having 40k rules for 30k models

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>>52721299
whoops the picture didn't upload

>>52721299
Mine's MadDakka the Loud

>>52720998
according to newfluff the war in the heavens, the necron war with the eldar is what gives birth to proper daemons

>>52721299
>>52721315
rollin

>>52721315
WAAAGH

>>52721315
>>52721345
Axe Choppa the Killiest

He sounds hella fond of axes, that's for sure.

Sorcerer...dreadnought

could this be done?

>>52720760
Spruecrons

>>52721397
In lore? Yes. TT? Unlikely, but something like the Osirion Dreadnought could be possible.

>>52721309
Just realized I should go all out on new Nurgle table though. Damn it's good. giving enemy units Gets Hot on all weapons for 1 WC (which would likely stop most players from shooting with them), D3 W heal on 1WC, Poison or improved poison on 1wc, S/T buff or debuff on enemies at 2 WC, etc. Even the less good powers arent bad.

>>52721397
>>52721444
I mean blood angles have a librarian dread, why couldn't TS have a sorc one

>>52721397
Yes
>>52721444
Blood Angels got their librarian dreadnaught on the TT

>>52721315
woo

>>52721397
sure

but it's not likely, because chaos dreadnoughts are more punishment than honour

>>52721315
My warboss is a bloodaxe who fucked off to be a pirate because he thought rogue traders are cool, he goes around recruiting from other klanz by beating up and kidnapping their boyz.

That's my excuse as to why only my warboss is converted.

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>>52721315

>>52721203
>>52721234
Its very unlikely humans had a hand in it and far more likely that they've been around way longer. I would look to the Necrontyr for inadvertently sowing the seeds long before humans.

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>>52721397
What do you mean?
Chaos doesn't have dreadnoughts!

>>52721509
that looks retarded

>>52721445
Maybe one with Palanquin and Daemonology though. Been having dirty thoughts about buying those sexy Skaven Stormvermin to use as Plaguebearers. 4W and fnp with possibility of healing power in the army should negate most effects of perils.

>>52721473
You lack vision
>not fielding a Khornate warband that have captured a Sorcerer, tortured him and forced him into a Helbrute/Dreadnought, dropping him by air straight into the fray against headless foes that do not bleed and cannot be harmed by physical weapons

>>52720821
>>gets on the floor
You led me that far, well done.

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>>52721397
Count it as a Daemon Prince. The're similar in size, so don't see why anyone would have problems with it. Been slowly working on something similar, a DP using a contemptor dread as armour (basically what I guess it'd look like if someone tried making a suit of power/termi armour for a DP). Have posted it in WIP a few times, but havent made much progress after this pic was taken.

>>52721524
The only good thing about them is that ""dreadnought"" thunder hammers look cool as fuck.

>>52721623
Oh and it'd also be better as a "count as DP" than a proper sorc dread ever could, with how mediocre/bad chaos dreads are.

>>52719213
Use khorne waifu as a reference

>>52721524
to be fair chaos dreads looked terrible and were metal

>>52721509
semantics

>>52721525
Oh and how cheesy (and/or legal) would it be to run a sorc like that in an allied CAD Wordbearer detachment in a maxed squad of cultists, then buy poxwalker hive on a DG character to give said cultists fearless and fnp, while not having to buy MoN on them as in the DG detachment, and using that unit for summoning on 3+?
Only drawback is that they wouldn't get any formation bonuses, but unsure if it's possible to ally in another legion.

>>52721315
Lookin' fer a skrap!

>>52721915
According to how it's worded, Legions shouldn't even need to ally, it should be legal to use two detachments of different Legions as the same CSM army.

Questions on psyker-heavy lists:
How much anti-psyker stuff is there out there at the moment? Heard sisters of silence are good and cheap anti-psyker, and when they were released for 40k it looked like everyone was gonna get some for their imperial armies.
How about non-imperial stuff? Haven't looked into stuff like eldar. Is it a good idea to base your army around buffs and maledictions, or will much of it be negated?

>>52722177
Anti-psyker stuff is kinda limited.
Mostly just SoS and Culexus, which i dont see brought all that often.

Quite often the best anti-psyker stuff is being a psychic army as well to try and deny.

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Triple-posting:
Anybody here into Nurgle? I'm in need of the two smaller brothers of the Glottkin, if anybody wants a big blobby Nurgle daemon for cheaper than in-store, let me know. We'll work something out.

>>52721315
Ordered a Blackreach Warboss in hopes someday I'll start a small Ork force. Cheers m8s

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>>52718167
chemical burns from poor stripping safety

>>52722062

It depends on what a "detachment" is because then whole thing needs to be one legion.

>>52722315
>people who strip paint without wearing some kind of hand protection
aaaaaaaa

>>52722270
how much we talking?

Is paying for Seeker missiles on my Hammerheads worth it? Should I take 1 or 2? Thanks in advance, Gue'la

>>52720455
Depends on if you are shortsighted or not, if so welcome to an eternity of degenerating eyesight bitch!

>>52722322

What's the lowest cost detatchment one can take to get a word bearers sorcerer?

>>52722344
Generally no. But you can do some nasty all in alpha strike with few markerlights and a squadron of hammerheads with seekers. If you really have to make that first volley count.

>>52718167
Poked in the face with a measuring rod by a sore loser, nearly lost an eye.

Local guy got lead poisoning, from neglecting safety while recasting. Complete with violent puking and couple days hospital stay.

>>52722216
Allright, that's good. And just looked at the rules for SoS, they don't seem as scary as I've heard them described. With the penalties to friendly psykers I guess most people using them won't focus on psykers themselves, giving me superiority in WCs, and while they're scary within 12'' they seem squishy enough to be killed off by a turn of rapidfire bolters.

I think I'll be running 3 chaos sorcerers at ML3 with spell familiars. What's the general tactic on spending charges to maximise success while minimizing perils? Haven't played this edition yet (and might not even play it at all depending on when 8th hits).

>>52719698
I think it'll be very nice when its finished but that guy has some cajones fielding an unfinished, unbased wraithknight. If I'm gonna get cheesed to death it's gotta be beautiful.

>>52722344
I usually think of Seeker Missiles as more of an upgrade for your Markerlight squads, rather than the actual platforms. Since you need markerlights to fire them at their best, and they can be fired pretty independently of whatever else the vehicle is doing, they work more closely to single-use missiles for a Pathfinder squad to take out heavier targets with.

>>52722397
They're allright due to being cheap and AP2/flamers, but yeah that's about it.
Culexus does their job better, and you haven't heard those shaking up psykers for years.

As for avoiding perils, Spell familiars are pretty fucking good. Besides that, spend just enough dice that you should statistically succeed in casting, no more than that.

>>52722358
A CAD should work. So the sorc and 2 troops. Not very expensive with cultists. The sorc doesn't need the large Word Bearer formation bonuses as the 3+ summoning is for any detachment. My idea would be to put the sorc in a large cultist blob, either cheap or with MoN and palanquin for +2W, ML3+spellfamiliar, and the book that gives +1 daemonology power if you're looking to summon several units per turn, primaris + plague drones or the herald one should be nice. Herald summon is 1WC, you could cast it with one charge to not take perils and still get it off at 3+ with reroll from familiar, and take wounds from cheap cultists.
>>52722322
"Any Detachment with the Chaos Space Marines Faction can be from one of the nine Traitor Legions. A Death Guard Detachment retains the Chaos Space Marines Faction and is treated in all ways as a Chaos Space Marines Detachment, with the following modifications"
To me this seems like it should work to take a CAD detachment from another legion, but unsure.

>>52722341
It goes for 800, so 200 to 250 off?

>>52722327
Happened to me twice because I forgot. Was fucking gross, I would just rub my fingers together and a rain of skin flakes would gently float down like I'm conjuring fucking snow.

>>52722390
>>52722437
Not him but don't seekers need to be fired by the unit who has them, even if it's via markerlights? The section says so, so I can't directly "call in an airstrike" with the pathfinders f.ex. Only sortof indirectly.

>>52722471
Yeah, that sounds good. And yes, familiars seem quite amazing.
I could take either 3 or 4 sorcerers. What'd be better, 3xML3, or 1xML3 + 3xML2? Or do I always go all out for the ML3?

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>Huron Blackheart bent the knee to Abaddon in exchange for a Blackstone Fortress

Was it worth it though?

>>52722563
What happened to Abbadon by the way? Heard he was gonna be killed off, then didn't hear more about that.

>>52722563
Well, he's got the only weapon useful against a full-powered C'tan. So he did pretty well out of the deal.

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Thoughts on this list?
Would you play me?

>>52722561
Also interested in how to kit out chaos sorcerers, and characters in general when playing Death Guard. When is it worth to go for the invuln save wargear, and do I take the cheap or expensive one? Figured I'd give my Lord the better one, but unsure on psykers. Any points on upgrades mean less bodies on the table, and I'm going footslog horde DG with nurgle buffs/debuffs. Unsure how important invulns are with fnp and having +1 (or always 6+) cover in long range from DG bonuses.

>>52722561
I can't tell you what to specifically to take, but i have a personal rule of thumb for sorcerors.

If i spend the points to go from ML2 to ML3, i better make sure he has a good bodyguard, since i've more than doubled his cost already. At ML3 he'll have one big target painted on his back without it.

>>52722680
The important question is, is it painted? I've learned to never play unpainted Tau.

>>52722590
>Heard he was gonna be killed off, then didn't hear more about that.

It's just 1d4chanfags being real fags

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>>52722563

Red Corsairs/Huron Blackheart vs Who the fuck knows (White Scars/Space Wolves???) campaign book WHEN?

>>52722563
Red Corsairs supplement WHEN

>>52722680
Id give it a chance.

The second game and beyond would be based how much fun I had, and if I got beat, by how much.

>>52722712
Most of the infantry and the tanks are painted, I ran out of my main army color because the seal broke and the rest dried out. Need to stop by the local GW soon and pick up another can. Haven't really figured out how I want my crisis painted because the scheme I was doing looks kinda weird on the table. Really trying to not be a part of the unpainted Tau meme,
but painting is probably my least favorite part of the hobby

>>52722680
I'd call it decently non-WAAC. Single riptide is fine at those points. I've heard minor complaints about the Drone net, but you're also bringing breachers, so I don't think it's too bad.

>>52722708
I'll have a lot of bodies, so should be easy to spread the psykers out, and being DG makes anything a good bodyguard. Ideally I'd want to run all of my marines in the list (got 30 mkiv that I'm slowly sculpting at, and 30mkiii for havocs) but that would be a lot of points and it'd take me 2 years to finish with how much extra detail I feel forced to sculpt because I've already started them like that.
Might put one or two on bikes. I know /tg/s view on DG bikes from some recent threads, but I still need a fast attack unit and some spawn for a legal list, so might as well put some characters in there as well.

>>52722793
>full troop blocks
>fireblade
>no FnP on riptide
>gun drones in the net
I really tried to keep it non-waac while still fielding units that might carry me against more cheesy things

>>52722775
>Really trying to not be a part of the unpainted Tau meme, but painting is probably my least favorite part of the hobby
My pain exactly. I sometimes even pre-emptively apologize when I show them to people. I'm picking up steam though, got roughly 50% of mine done. there's only so many same-y Fire Warriors I can paint before I want to strangle somebody.

>>52722691

Sorcerers are very modular. You can leave them stock and stick them in a Rhino squad, kit them out and stick them in a Terminator squad, whatever. Conventional (WAACfag) wisdom says bike, spell familiar, ML3.

Death Guard characters - you'll want to give your beatsticks invulns at least. DG Terminator Lords are nigh-unkillable with non-AP2 weapons. Powerfists are exceptionally good on your characters due to FNP and toughness boosts.

>>52722775
Then I respect you, and will play you. Haven't played much lately, but the only armies I've ever denied a game against have been unpainted ones, as they somehow always also seem to include extremely over-optimized "WAAC" lists. What a strange coincidence that is.

>>52722816
It's mostly fine. Honestly JSJ will always be unfun to play against, but at least without fnp the riptide might actually die, and give your opponent one less thing to bitch about.

>>52722841
You don't have to be an amazing painter, just show that you care enough about the hobby to at least try.

Some unpainted models are fine, so long as your army at least shows progress.

It's only when I see 1850 points of tau either completely grey or with just primer that I get annoyed.

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Quickly /40kg/, I need ideas for a joint chaos warband featuring Thousand Sons and Iron Warriors.

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>>52722924
specifically, I need name ideas, I realise I forgot to put that in. Which was fairly dumb, considering that was the whole point. Oh well.

>>52722530
Yes. Markerllights can help them to ignore LoS and allow the vehicle to fire more weapons at full BS than normally, but the seeker missiles must be fired to same target as the other weapons and the vehicle is still doing the shooting.

You can call in extra missiles with that one formation, infiltration cadre. Whenever a unit in it gets 3 or more markerlight hits you also hit with single seeker missile.

>>52721315
Rolland

>>52722938
Iron Conclave?

>>52722913
Oh I definitely do care. Nowadays I always try to convert special characters. All my 4 HQs are custom. I have to paint them to a decent/good tabletop standard to satiate my OCD too.

Today half my army was painted, some was primed black, some were proxies/empty bases but measured from what their height would be. If there was doubt, I mostly let my opponent take a shot anyway for fairness. I'm still converting some of my stuff, that's why.

>>52722530
Always the worst when you're scrubbing and feel tingly, then check your gloves and find out you have a hull breach.

>>52722843
Allright. I like the idea of DG termies, as DG finally makes terminators quite okay for their cost other than termiciding. And I'd also like to get some use out of my 10 termis from the 30k boxes, as they look pretty fun to build, sculpt and paint. Question is, Deepstrike or footslog them with the rest of the horde with maybe a reaper autocannon? Was looking at the terminator formation first, but realized that it was a bit too much of a point investment while I'd still need an elite slot for the warband.

Unsure about what to do with the bikesquad. Either a small one with meltas just to fill the formation requirement, or 5 with sorc+lord (for a unit of nurgly 7) to advance before the footsloggers, but seems like a big firemagnet.
Also want a Daemon Weapon or cool artifact on my Lord, as that's how Lords should roll, but cant decide between black mace or the DG poisoned ap3 daemon weapon.
Sorry for walls of text, just have a lot of things I can't decide on yet.

>>52722938
Look no further than history itself. The Malleus Maleficarum, "The Hammer of Witches", a book from the 15th century about witchcraft.

>>52722924
>>52722938
Interesting combo of legions. Got any fluff for them, or do you just like both?

>>52723025
>but seems like a big firemagnet.
Yes, but a T6, durable as all hell fire magnet.

>>52720759
Chaos Marines or bust

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>>52723057
Well, I already owned Magnus and the Tsons because I got caught up in the hype about the first returning primarch to 40k. After that me and my friends made bets about who's gonna be the next traitor primarch, and I thought Perturabo has been gone a while, and Iron Warriors were actually my favourite traitor legion, with Tsons coming in second, so I threw my lot in with perty. Now Mortarion's coming back, so i seem to have lost the bet to my Nurgle playing friend, but I'm still holding out hope for perturabo, and the inspiration for the warband is there anyway. Besides, there's a whole discipline devoted to machines, figured it'd at least have that much synergy.

>>52723069
Oh indeed. And don't forget +1 to cover and fnp. But unsure if they'll survive long enough to deliver a Lord into cc while the rest of the army is footslogging it. Got the spawn to join in the frontline as well.
Don't want my expensive warlord to get shot right away, while I also don't want him to take too long to reach combat.

>>52721185
hats for regular ad mech. fuck dark mech traitors and shitty mechanics.

>>52723140
Sounds reasonable. Sadly I don't think we'll see him very soon. It'll probably be the god-specific ones first, then if we're lucky some undivideds. But at that point I'd hope to see Lorgar first of all, as he's the one that represents Chaos as a whole the most. Not that they'd ever do anything nice for Word Bearers, they didn't even get Fearless even though they're religious zealots...

The center of the Eye of Terror is actually a super-massive black hole.

>>52723140
To be fair, Iron Warriors are really bloody good at anti-tank for cheap. For 195 points you can get 3 Hades Autocannon rapier batteries in a single slot. That will fucking mulch so many things its insane (though granted, that's not IW specific but still). Oblit troops get tank hunters, so there's that. MASU havocs with autocannons do benefit from IW rules, so you can have a solid firebase for pretty cheap and then splurge on sorcerers with 2 MSU tzaangors to keep it cheap, or rubrics for some anti-infantry.

>>52723242
Sounds good man. Any ideas for fighting Custodes with either of them? I played against them today, and good fucking lord they are hard to kill.

>>52723142
They will very likely survive to reach melee i assure you.
>walk+turboboost T1
>Charge T2

>>52720283
A dogs of war style codex that adds in one or two units to represent each race, perhaps something like Codex: Xenos Mercenaries.
Would be battle brothers with tau, and be able to ally with just about everyone but nids/cron.

>>52723242
Indeed, IW havocs are great for antitank. Autocannons, missile launchers or maybe even lascannons with tankhunters is pretty nice. Just remember to max out the squad if you get expensive weapons, so you won't lose lascannons as soon as they start taking damage. I assume they (or the tsons) would be limited to a CAD though, going two full legion formations would leave very little points to spend on upgrades.

>>52723316
I would say Battle Brothers with Tau and Dark Eldar, including some of the units that can make up an Archon's bodyguard or a beastmaster's squad.

Have those be allies of convenience with most everyone else. Stick it as Desprate with Crons and CTA with Tyranids.

>>52722924
The Iron-Sealed
The Riddle of Steel
The Curseborn

Maybe the thousand sons sorceror made a deal with a warsmith to use dark magic to create new iron warriors and daemon engines in exchange.

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Best compliment on your army you've ever gotten?
>be at small killteam event
>pretty new to the hobby, bring a squad of fire warriors in a devilfish with a crisis as my leader
>dark angels player takes a look at my devilfish
> "wow, there are like no brush-strokes on this, did you airbrush it?"
I've been super anal about brush strokes since I started playing, and I think my paint jobs are all still pretty shoddy. Feelsgoodman

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Can infantry climb over vehicle wrecks? If not specified in the rules - how is it commonly played?

>>52723274
I never fought them but aren't they essentially super-terminators (T5 2+/5++ 2W) with eternal warrior?

The Eternal Warrior makes it tricky, but stuff that allows no saves is always nice. Plenty of spells in the disciplines ignore toughness as well, like Psychic Shriek. baleful Devolution can help too, Rockmaw (geomortis primaris) ignores armour saves too.

I can mostly speak for Ts as I haven't fielded Iron Warriors much so I don't know any specific counters, but generally anything that ignores their armour will make it much easier to knock them off the board.

>>52720759
I already play KDK and think that daemons should never have been split from the CSM codex so yes I'd absolutely play those.

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>>52723057
Oh, I also did sort of make some lore for them as a sort of alliance of synergy, some Tzeentchian Tsons with a flair for machine magic and some Iron Warriors that bitterly hated flesh, as a concept. So their mutual contacts in the Dark Mechanicus put them in contact with each other, and they eventually came to a mutual agreement that the way to both conquer the galaxy and to forever rid the universe of what they perceive as the great enemy of intellect, which is flesh, or more specifically, being trapped in a fragile form, was to ally.

>>52718505
>your Primarch
>tfw disowned legion/unconfirmed successor/army without Primarch equivalent

I'd take Shade Lord super Leviathan Dreadnought a la Red Scorpions

>>52723242
Bunkers filled with autocannon havocs whose champion mans an icarus quadcannon seems dope.

>>52723405
There's a guy at my LGS who loved the paint job on my original batch of Marines... And wouldn't shut up about it. Or about my Tau.

Now that my scheme is knockoff Iron Warriors as a blackshield force, I haven't shared anything with him. Constant shallow praise, even insincere, isn't all that fun.

>>52723429
going vertical is something that you can decide with the other player, but basically if it makes sense that a model can climb it, then they can go over. vertical distance is counted during movement, so lets say the wreck is 2 inches high and 2 inches wide, going over it would be exactly 6 inches

>>52723405
I've gotten a lot of nice remarks on the way I posed my Ghostkeel. I'm really happy I decided to pick it up as a centerpiece, even if it does usually die within 2 turns every game.

>>52718447
I recently played against Custodes as well. Even with my cheesetastic OSC and other Tau bullshit it was a close game.

2++ reroll ones is ridiculous.

>>52723298
Sounds good. So maybe skip special weapons (or just go flamers) and just focus on getting into melee right away then? Could be good. Use sorc before charging to buff S/T by one, or the poison power (4+ poison to all, and lord gets 2+ poison if he has the poisoned Daemon Weapon), or debuff the enemy (gift of contagion for 1 WC seems amazing if you're gonna charge and therefore don't care if you give the enemy shrouded). 3+ jink is pretty nice.
Planning on buying a box of Chaos Knights soon (always wanted to do the knights as bikers thing), though I've promised myself to finish a lot of marines before buying more shit. Bought both 30k boxes on impulse a while back, so I have quite a backlog..

>>52723478
Post it lad, I'm doing a ghostkeel as my centerpiece and it too rarely survives the whole fight, though more than 2 turns usually.

>>52723456
Exactly, have them stay back and shower the field with lead. Nothing wrong with having a solid position.

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>>52723400
>The Riddle of Steel
That one, that's good, thanks anon. It's probably a tie between that and >>52723029 's suggestion.

Where can I go to find assembly instructions? I have a forgeworld ork trukk but I've never built one before and they don't give any instructions

>>52723561
Just follow your orky instincts and all will be good.

>>52723523
Yeah since you're probably only spending a single turn shooting, concentrate on melee capabilities first, fun stuff like ranged goes second.

I know your pain with painting all the marines. Going EC with two Calth boxes, and i finished my first noise marine and sergeant recently, and i'm already feeling burnt out.

>>52723436
Personally i don't like the KDK-concept very much, and actually don't hope we'll get them for other gods. The problem is that GW keep releasing too many new armies that could just have been combined formations for existing armies. I like more choice, but what did KDK really add to the game as a separate army?

>>52723561
http://www.ifelix.co.uk/jimbo_trukk_03.html

>>52723561
Take a rhino and stick all your orky trukk bits onto it. Should be close enough.

>>52723561

>assembly instructions
>orks

git/10

>>52723486
How do they get 2++? They have 5++ base with a re-roll 1s rule with a certain amount of choices taken.

>>52721315
Rollin'

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>>52723528
Not the best picture, but it's the best way to give an idea of what I did. I pretty much lucked into finding that flight stems fit pretty much perfectly into the slots on the knee joints and another spot on the feet. Thus, I ended up with this sort of mid-air pose where it's jetting forward.

>>52723644
I know they can get 3++ with storm shields.

>>52723622
Indeed. And I do a lot of heavy converting. Reposing/lengthening legs and torsos, sculpting details, etc. Thought the mkiv marines would be perfect for me due to how "plain" they were, and therefore open for my own detailing, but I underestimated the amount of time I spend per model and the amount of my little free-time I'd rather spend shitposting on 4chan and getting drunk.

>>52723674
Badass, mate. Well done! Like a goddamn superhero.

>>52723682
>but I underestimated the amount of time I spend per model and the amount of my little free-time I'd rather spend shitposting on 4chan and getting drunk.
Hello my brother from another mother!

>>52723700
Thanks! I had tried some wing bits to put in place on the shoulders, though with how it's set up they tended to snap off all the time.

I think I like it better without anyway.

>>52721315
Rollin fer the greenest and meanest

>>52722327
>stripping paint with toxic caustic shit instead of completely safe shit like rubbing alcohol

You faggots deserve it for always suggesting and defending such overkill and dangerous methods to clueless newfags

>>52723644
Daemons can stack saves to get a 2++, with a lot of luck and psychic fuckery you can do it with any god (yes, even khorne) but it's way, WAY easier with Tzeentch daemons.

>>52723725
I was considering adding wing-like bits (the stealthsuit objective marker thing you get in the box, I got 4) to convert the only Crisis suit I have into a commander, but I'm wary of it myself. Think I'll just attach one to the top of the spine thing on the back. Still need a good pose for him though.

>>52723710
I think this is what happens to all of us when we pass our teens.
I've usually done 40k in periods, anytime something new I like (aka CSM) got released I got back into it, did a small army, played a few games, then lost interest. Last time was when the current codex was released, bought the starter set and converted everything in it to chaos. Then played like 3 games.
Now I got back in when I found out about Traitor Legions. But now I have the opposite problem than I had in the past, back then I was poor as shit and couldnt buy much, but had a lot of time for scratch-sculpting and converting. Now I have more money than I spend (save half or more of monthly wage even after food, bills and rent for living alone in a three-roomer) but have no time for hobbies. And when I do I just drink or waste time in other ways. Bought both 30k sets, new sculpting supplies and shitloads of paint back in like jan-feb, and have still done very little. Don't even have a proper list.

>>52723873
>isopropyl alcohol
>completely safe
k

>>52723873
>clueless newfags
even clueless newfags should know to fucking look at the label before blithely dunking their hands in chemicals

>>52723879
Huh, how exactly is this done?

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>>52719020
>Lion el'Jonson isn't even that good of a warrior so I'll pass, thanks.
nigga
snoop lion was regarded by the other primarchs to be one of the best strategic minds and one of the best warriors
the nigger beat russ in combat so bad that the space wolves have an annual contest between chapter champions to reenact it in the off chance that maybe they might win and feel better
not to mention that he beat the shit out of batman before alfred dragged him back into orbit to safety
pic related, lion "my chest is a literal lion your argument is invalid" el'jonson

Quick question,
Are there any Space Marine chapters in the fluff that act solely at the behest of the Inquisition or are so closely tied to them basically work for them?

>>52723942
The Grey Knights, The Red Hunters, possibly more.

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>>52723940
Yeah but he's gay.

>>52723942
grey knights
deathwatch

>>52723971
fuck of pert go masturbate to gurran laggan more you autistic primarchchild

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Fellow CSMfags, with 8th Edition on the horizon I think it's fair to say we'll finally get a replacement for our four and a half year old Codex! What changes do you think they'll make? What changes do you want them to make?

My hope is we get an artillery piece with barrage so that the Iron Warriors rules make sense!

>>52721315

rollin' like a boss

What the best army to run a khorne themed force? Traitor legions, demons or demonkin. The only demons i care about including are bloodfirsters.

>>52724045
Daemonkin
Demons
TL
In that order.

>>52721315
Roll

>>52724045
hmmm probably khorne daemonkin what with that being their express purpose

What's better to slap on a forgefiend, auto cannons and an ectoplasma, or just all plasma?

>>52724004
Well the only thing I field from the base codex are Sorcerers and Maulerfiends so I hope those don't get fucked up. Maybe Sorcs get an extra wound?

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>>52723917
Shit. I have a list I want to have, but I can barely find the motivation to build/paint. Wanted to start with Necrons, but hadn't much time to build and paint. The half-done warriors, lychguard and command barge been lying around for so long I got really fed up about it. Just boxed them all and started an Imperial Knight and some Space Marines. In about a month my LGS will have a small kill-team tournament. I've been asked today if I wanna join, so maybe I'll find the motivation to make a small SM kill-team and actually get a game or two going.
Btw, how would one even build a proper SM kill team? Just two tactical squads with a flamer and an attack bike?

>>52723942
Deathwatch and Grey Knights basically. Maybe some others too, but those two just from the top of my head. Although the Deathwatch isn't a chapter per se, and Grey Knights are a super secret club.

>>52724042

GIT CHOPPA DA BROOTAL

>>52724045
Do you want to run an endless tide of shit that summons more shit as everything dies in the table? KDK

Do you want to run an angry yet surprisingly fast horde of power armored dudes fueled by rage? World Eaters.

Demons? Yes, Demons.

>>52724063
Git rocka the Cunnin'

>>52724004
It'll be interesting to see how they'd do a new dex now with Traitor Legions existing. Will they do the dex to work with TL, include it in the dex, or update TL as well?
All I need is to update pointscosts to the level of current similar armies and add some more fun wargear. Only two Daemon Weapons (one being god-specific) was a letdown last time for example.
I kind of like where we're at now though, so I hope they just don't change anything for the worse.
If I could choose a single upgrade for CSM it'd be to get a new kit for the basic troops. That shit is so old that it was the first 40k kit I ever got back in the day (just with slight differences in sprues)

>>52724045
Daemonkin if you want to include Daemons, Traitor Legions if you don't

>>52721315
'Uge Kicka da Konkerer!

Need a little help on my first purchase into a Necron army. I know people recommend the getting started box but for the Necron it doesn't seem like a good deal. I could get the overlord with warscythe and the ark phalanx for the same cost and somehow I feel like the ghost ark will see more use than the stalker.

Anyone have thoughts on the stalker? Am I wrong in my thinking?

>>52724086
KDK seems like the best then. Are bloodthirsters viable if run with world eaters or do they just drag it down?

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>>52721315

>>52724132
you'll have to summon them and stuff

>>52724109
Seems like it'll be a KDK then. When you summon a bloodthirster, do you still pay the points for it or is it free to add once summoned?

>>52724108
For model updates I'd love to be able to buy a box of Havocs that I can actually run without having to scour the internet for matching weapons.

>>52724108
I think we might see minimal changes. Maybe a price drop for VotLW across the board to account for the fact that it's pretty much free for anyone with a Legion anyway, and some reworkings and point-changes to fit with whatever the new rules are.

I don't think they would have to change the Traitor Legion book too much, though they might fold in the basic benefits as a Chapter-tactics style thing, and then have the relics and formations in a separate Angels of Death style Re-release.

Can an ork die of old age

>>52723937
Easiest way?
Daemon of tzeentch gives them a 5++ rerolling ones.
Take the impossible robe for a 3++, basically a tzeentch storm shield.

Then pick any of the following to increase it by 1
-cast cursed earth from daemonology
-tzeentch warlord trait for every daemons of tzeentch with 12"
-result of the warp storm table (roll 2d6 at the start of the shooting phase and get a random result, some good some bad, mostly good)
-have another character take the book of true names artifact and use it on them, roll a 3+ to increase their save by 2

Other god daemons can reach this too but they don't have the inherent rerolling 1s, Tzeentch artifacts or warlord traits so they have to buy a roll on the greater gift table and roll a 3 for dark blessing which allows them to reroll failed invulnerable saves.

>>52724152
>>52724132
Or take an allied detachment.

Bloodthirsters are pretty nasty and can buy strength D at initiative/have strength D super unweildly if you have the supplement but a well equipped thirster ends up costing around 300 points so it may be better to summon them with KDK.

>>52724164
No Ork has lived long enough to find out but they have been known to live for several hundred years before they inevitably meet their demise in a fight somewhere.

>>52724078
Probably. I know very little about standard SM, never had a single SM codex (been with my CSM since the beginning), but killteams are usually limited to some basic stuff to have bodies on the table, and a single specialist unit. Unless you're gonna cheese!

I too started a necron army back in the day, and never got anything done. Think I have like over 50 unassembled warriors somewhere, as I bought two battleforces at half price back when they included almost only warriors.
Tried again when they got their new dex (the one that gave them actual choices and shit, and the whole egyptian theme), but didn't get far. Motivation is hard my dude.

>>52723942
The Exorcists are pretty much a pocket chapter of the Ordo Malleus and are Grey Knights MK 2, except with these guys they have to be possessed by a Daemon and cast it out through strength of will as part of their training. The resulting marine's soul is stained by the Warp yet they are incorrigible. I can't remember the specifics, but an Exorcist is either completely ignored by the warp (their blackened soul no longer appears within it as discernible compared to background noise) or it actively recoils from it.

>>52724207
Cool thanks. I honestly didn't expect an answer. Do they show signs of aging at all?

>>52723965
>>52723974
>>52724078

Thanks guys, Red Hunters sound the type of jerks I was looking for.

>>52724229
No. Orks are weird fungal life-forms that have a subtle psychic field that bends reality to suit their beliefs. Over time, an Ork is only likely to grow larger and stronger, because other Orks see him as a tough guy who's been through a lot of fights and lived. They aren't your typical humanoid lifeforms.

>>52724265
Thanks. I just really liked the image of an old wrinkly grey haired ork still smashing faces.

>>52724308
Well, you might get an Ork that specifically gets his hair grey, because it makes him look more Cunnin' like those human generals, but he'll still be in a physical prime.

>>52724045
While Codex: Flesh Hounds is excellent for the fearless, I've had equal success running the warzone fenris murderhorde with 8x5 units of flesh hounds w/herald on a juggernaut. You get rerolls on instability for the LD issue, but will be getting nearly double the potency if you maximize the use of a locus, formation benefits, and relics available to you from the WF book. Easy to just plug a bloodthirster into the detachement as well which can rewards, improved relics, and an access to an improved warlord trait table - three things KDK lacks

Fuckin hell lads, my store is hell on Earth.

I went down today for my first few 40k games with people who weren't just in my standard group. (I play other systems there)

The guys who were chill had lists that were tabling people in 1 turn, fucking great guys to talk to but holy shit the games weren't even worth playing.

The others were either your standard shy nerd stereotype who couldn't hold a real conversation so the games just felt awkward.

Then the fucking worst part, I asked a guy for a game, he was pretty alright, had a nice chat and all that rubbish. I got a decent first turn in but the game was nowhere near over. The guy starts making all his fucking rolls behind cover and blatantly rerolling shit right infront of me, "I'm gonna shoot those infiltrators"
"Ok Sure, they're T3 and you're at -1 WS from their aura"
The guy rolls the dice, lands maybe 1/4 of his hits and then fucking picks them up and looks at me.
"I'm gonna shoot those infiltrators"

I let him have it and just ended the game at the end of the phase, told him he won from first blood or some shit even though we were tied and the guy just lit up, all excited.

It's not worth playing people like that. I came to chill and have a chat with people while rolling some dice and everything went to shit. The best match I played was against a guy from my standard group and the best outside of that was a guy who'd literally never played a 40k game before.

I want to fucking die anons, these are the people I have to play games with. At least I enjoy painting more I guess.

>>52724229
Not in the traditional sense, but they don't have perfect regeneration and can wear out to a certain extent.

>>52724265
>>52724308
Don't know much about Ork lore, but I always assumed that Orks aging would be what made them grow bigger and bossier. As in no ork is spawned a Nob or warboss, but got there eventually if they survived long. Though that may be completely wrong.

>>52724402
Dunno if I made it clear enough there but the guy fucking picked the dice he rolled back up and rerolled them right infront of me. Every save he made, he passed and did it all out of my sight.

I sound so fucking salty over this but I'm pretty relaxed, I just wanted to tell my dumb story.

>>52724422
Its not age that does that its winning more fights and getting more orks to join his warband. Age may give some experience but its largely inconsequential.

>>52724402

What do you usually chat about when you play?

>>52724402
Stories like this is what makes me afraid of trying to get games with randoms. Never seen these stereotypes among friends who play, but feels like they might be hording up in the flgs's. I get extremely uncomfortable among socially disabled people for some reason.

>>52721315
rolling