MTG Modern General

What's the best jeskai build in modern?

>>52715945
I personally believe that just Jeskai Control without Nahiri is best. I think Nahiri was an overrated meme

>>52715904

>Do you, or do you not think Devoted Remedies is going to be a real deck?

It's a great meme and that's about it.

>Combining off turn 3 pretty easily sounds good to me, literally every time you cast coco you have a chance to go off. Great deck imo

Yeah about the CoCo thing, I used to play Devoted Druid in Elves long ago and it did the same thing people are trying to do with Visier but this combo could win through just enough mana activations within a two card combination with Ezuri pump to continually make Devoted Druid and/or the entire Elf board huge. Couple this with any various number of Elves around and any lords and this was quite feasible.

>>52715904
so how many copies of the druid are you sitting on, shlomo?

>>52716341
12 myself

>>52716335
Yeah except you need fucking 3 elves, 1 ezuri and 2 druids which is a 7 mana 3 card on board combo you autistic faggot sure is making me think here oh man I'm thinking so hard right now fuck me look at me think

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>people think a 2 card 4 mana infinite mana combo that requires 1 of essentially 10 cards of your deck in hand won't be good, which also has a great beat down plan, and is far superior to the already and established abzan coco combo which is 3 cards on board and minimum 6 mana

Wow tg, sorry that you're retarded

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>>52716376

>Yeah except you need fucking 3 elves, 1 ezuri and 2 druids which is a 7 mana 3 card on board combo you autistic faggot sure is making me think here oh man I'm thinking so hard right now fuck me look at me think
>implying there's no lands in play
>implying Elves don't have a bajillion ways to cheat on mana

Mate I don't know if you're retarded but it's quite obvious you don't play Elves and are bad at MTG.

Turn 1: Land, Llanowar Elf
Turn 2: Draw card, Land, Nettle, Heritage Druid, Tap for Heritage Ability drop Devoted Druid, Untap Nettle, 1 mana remaining drop 2nd Nettle, one cards remaining in hand.
Turn 3. Draw card, Land, cast Ezuri with tap Nettle+Nettle+Heritage mana. Ezuri enters untap Nettles. Tap 3 lands, llanowar devoted druid, activate Overrun. Tap Nettle+Nettle+Devoted Druid, activate second overrun. Untap Devoted Druid and repeat and swing with a 999/999 Devoted druid even with a hundred -1/-1 counters on it.

At no point did I ever need 2 fucking Druids in that line. It's very easy for Elves to vomit out hands. If no Ezuri was in hand you can still simply cast coco their next step and hold or Chord when necessary. If Archdruid was dropped out turn 2 then the combo is even easier to go through with. Sometimes they bolt your Llanowar Elf, sometimes they don't and when they don't and it's not a deck playing Pyroclasm you can go full ham

So shut your fucking mouth you fucking filthy scrub.

>>52716513
Oh sorry sweetie, I guess you're retarded

>Turn 3. Draw card, Land, cast Ezuri with tap Nettle+Nettle+Heritage mana. Ezuri enters untap Nettles. Tap 3 lands, llanowar devoted druid, activate Overrun. Tap Nettle+Nettle+Devoted Druid, activate second overrun. Untap Devoted Druid and repeat and swing with a 999/999 Devoted druid even with a hundred -1/-1 counters on it.

Doesn't poor little muffin know nettle doesn't untap when you activate abilities poor whittle guy?

>>52716513
You know that doesn't work, right?

>>52716537

>Doesn't poor little muffin know nettle doesn't untap when you activate abilities poor whittle guy?

Does poor little fucking retard not know that Nettle Sentinels were tapped for mana to cast Ezuri and casting Ezuri untapped them?

>>52716551

It does, I forgot the marker of untapping the devoted druid first before retapping Nettle+Nettle+Devoted Druid again and then untapping the druid's twice more to activate 2nd overrun. It will still be left with 1 toughness before the 2nd activation.

>>52716560
>Cast Ezuri
>Sentinels untap
>activate overrun by tapping sentinels and a land and heritage and devoted
>Devoted gets +3+3
Now what?

>>52716581
Holy fuck what an idiot, it only works with 2 devoted Druid you sense fuck

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Do they have a chance to see play in Modern?

>>52716611
Only in shitty meme decks

>>52716611
No

>>52716513
Is this the most retarded post ever?

>>52716611

Gideon might see some weird fringe play just because some decks simply can't answer him. Like my Ad Nauseam list as of current actually doesn't have a really good efficient line for beating him in game 1 if he gets dropped. I mean I can still beat him but the line just became harder and more complex and I might actually end up dead by whatever the opponents board is. Funnily enough I might actually try him in Ad Nauseam in the sideboard.

>>52716611
Gideon is going to be experimented with in Ad Naus. Not sure how he'll hold up.

>>52716513
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O0TQbRNmYus

>>52716713
He's not much better than unlife in Ad Naus, people don't run enchantment destruction much.

>>52716713
I really don't see how in any way he is better than unlike in 99% of scenarios

>>52715904
>not adding finks
>not adding viscera seer
>implying it isnt abzan company

They basically printed the next anafenz that also makes infinite mana. Abzan we tier 1 now.

>>52716743
>>52716747

Not the same guy but in Ad Nauseam he would help the (defunct)Infect matchup in the sideboard. He's definitely not a maindeck card but he's not a bad option in the side and sometimes people play Leyline of Sanctity after game 1 against you and your default out to that is Patrician's Scorn but to do so this shuts off the the line of winning with Phyrexian Unlife+Ad Nauseam otherwise you would die to your own Scorn. The Labman line is still a play but he's still very vulnerable and at least this way Gideon might be able to beat down and attack an opposing LotV which is still strong against you.

>>52716611
Nissa is yet another potentially high-reward investment without a home. Which is sad, really.

I heard MTGO is cheaper than the vanilla MTG.

After looking around, blue decks seem more fun to play than anything else. If I were to use 30 bucks or so, would I afford a blue deck?

I dont mind making some inferior version, it doesnt have to be amazing deck but I would hope it would work in low level games. Fun is the most important factor when trying new things after all

>>52716984
Not on mtgo, mtgo decks are typically a third as much online as in real life, if all you have is 30$ just play on xmage, people will try to cheat but whatever

>>52716984

Depends on the format. Also MTGO is not necessarily cheaper in paper but some formats are cheaper to play on MTGO compared to paper. Vintage is very affordable to play on MTGO where as ludicrously expensive in paper. Bear in mind some cards are also much more expensive on MTGO than in paper like Gorilla Shaman.

>>52716999

>play on xmage, people will try to cheat but whatever

How do they cheat on xmage?

>>52716999
I heard about xmage too but is it new playerfriendly as its 3rd party program?

>>52716611
Nissa will be played in RUG type decks in future. You heard it first from me.

>>52716611
I think Gideon might see play in uw control because of how well his +1 pairs with supreme verdict. I'll give it a try at least.

>>52717072
Rule 1 of contemporary MTG is NEVER spend money on MTG. This game has been run into the ground.
It sounds counter intuitive but it's really for the best in the long run.

I want to start playing modern again, what is good in current meta? I like fast-win combo decks, thinking about Infect, Ad Nauseam in the first place, Affinity and Amulet second.

What are your thoughts? I don't see Ad, Amulet and Infect very much. Did these decks die?

>I doubt it'll be a deck, but I can hope.
>The green god, heart piercer manticore, cryptic serpent, harsh mentor, and I'm loving the minotaurs.
Anyways
Went 3-1 last night playing burn.
U/W spirits, storm, and grixis control gg ez.
Then Bogles fucked me game 1, and game 2 I didn't draw any of the 6 enchantment hate I boarded in.

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>>52716611

I think Gideon could be decent in a UW control shell.

Pic possibly related.

>>52715904
>What other cards do you guys think look okay?
I will be trying out the red hatebear in the side of eternal command.

>>52716878
>defunct
Why did Infect fall out of favor? That deck use to be tier 1. Was it the probe ban?

>>52717384
Lost a good match up in dredge, people started playing more interactive decks in general

>>52717165
Buy my Naya burn deck. Lots of juicy Death shadow decks to prey on.

>>52717384
The probe ban hit Infect harder than anyone anticipated. Combined with the fact that people started to play a little more interaction, basically killed the deck. There are still a bunch of hardcore Infect players out there trying new and different things, but without Probe to give free information and fuel the graveyard, it's much harder to make work. Maybe someday, something will be printed that will bring it back, but for now it just falls into obscurity.

>>52717392
How is dredge positioned right now anyways?
Is the deck as bad as the massive drop in player count suggests? It seems like Deaths Shadow isn't too hard a matchup for it.

>>52717559
It's got the 2nd highest meta share on MTGO right now, but sees very little play in paper GPs still. It's hard to tell if it will see less online play when people put graveyard hate back in their decks or if it's solidly tier 1.

>>52717559
Between the new cyclers and the ability to run split cards with sides less than 3, I predict Living End is going to rise in popularity. To counteract that, I predict a rise in graveyard hate which will hurt Dredge as a side effect.

>>52717510
Doesn't Infect just run Mishra's Bauble instead? I thought that was why it's 50 bucks now

So my group is doing a casual-ish event (as in it's unofficial, but follows the format rules) to encourage people to try something other than the one deck most of them ever play. While some people have said they want to bring other Tier1 stuff (including a lot of people who are running proxies, since it's unofficial) I wanted to go off the reservation entirely and bring something like:
4x Delver of Secrets
4x Serra Avenger
4x Spell Queller
4x Path to Exile
4x Serum Visions
4x Disrupting Shoal
4x Remand
2x Echoing Truth
2x Entreat the Angels
4x Favorable Winds
4x Flooded Strand
4x Sacred Fountain
4x Seachrome Coast
6x Island
6x Plains

How would I go about giving this deck some chance of performing (I see Decay being a problem already)? And is there anything coming in Amonkhet that might let me bring this back to an actual event and not get stomped?

>>52716485
You need to do something with said mana. Now it's a 3 card combo again.

>>52717944
Just cast my commander and use his activated? Dumbass

>>52718008
If we're talking commander. Just use Isochron for infinite.

>>52717763

4x Judge's Familiar
4x Mausoleum Wanderer
4x Pride of Clouds
4x Spell Queller

4x Path to Exile
4x Serum Visions
2x Disrupting Shoal
4x Remand
2x Entreat the Angels

4x Favorable Winds

24x whatever lands

>>52715904
>>52716335

Any reason to do CoCo instead of, say, Genesis Wave? It seems that with an infinite mana engine like this, going off on a 30+ GW would be more beneficial.

>>52716999
>people will try to cheat
Impossible. It isn't cockatrice

>>52717074
Oh boy! A vastly overpriced serum visions! Kys

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>>52718730
Why do people play MTGO over Xmage then?

>>52718296
Because coco is always good while wave is only good with the combo out

>>52718759
It's more competitive
It's a better client
You can get invites to paper GPs if you top the MOCS events or something like that, I haven't checked the details of the most recent system.
Drafting on cockatrice is impossible since there's no reason for your opponent to not drop the moment their Pack 1 isn't good

>>52718773
That's fair enough.

>>52718820
Not that anon, but I only do Cockatrice with people I actually know, when we want to test decks or can't meet up in person for whatever reason.

>>52718833
I've used lackey before with people I know, but it's still not close to playing in person

>>52718846
Of course, playing MtG online in any form will never feel as good as playing in person, though it does have the merit of letting you test out decks without having to print up/write up proxies.

>>52716611
Virtually nothing in standard will ever see play in modern anymore. They mostly make garbage these days that'd get stomped in any other format. Soon enough, standard will normalize slow, land based mana ramping for a 10 cost nimble mongoose.

>>52718968
Autism, a few cards in this set are pretty decent and will see modern play

>>52717165
Infect and Amulet got nerfed. Affinity isn't a true combo deck (power-card linear aggro).

Ad Nauseam is the probably the most pure combo deck in the format and isn't affected by removal or hate, but it is vulnerable to hand disruption and you aren't doing much yourself to stop your opponent from doing their thing.

>>52718980
The red 2 drop is pretty much the only card with a chance of seeing any tiered modern play

>>52718980
Like what? There's nothing in standard that has anything on mirrodin block or Phyrexia.

>>52716513
>Overcuck poster is retarded

What a surprise

>>52716513
>Devoted Druid
>Elves
Just leave

>>52718210
Eh. I sorta see what you were going for here, but it doesn't feel like this would be any better against the sort of decks that the list above would struggle against. If anything there are fewer threats that are solid on their own, you'd be better off running just straight-up control cards.

Irrigated Farmland seems like a good inclusion.

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Is he the missing sibling? Is the cycle finally complete?

>>52719229
unban SFM

>>52715904
>that card and basically everything from Shadowmoor
Mother of God.

>>52719255
>unban jace
>unban bloodbraid elf
>unban treasure cruise
>unban skullclamp

>>52719255
Honestly yes, wizards should let the format try it. Worst case scenario is that they need to ban it again like ggt.

>>52719229

harsh mentor on the same level as literally any of those cards

fuck no.

>>52719301
Let's not get crazy.

>>52719334

>forgetting my greentext

jesus I'm not awake yet

>>52719229
You might as well put Eidolon of the Great Revel in there if you want all two drops. Red will never get a value 2 drop that goes in every Rxx deck.

>>52719334
I think Break Open is the rightful heir to that slot.

>>52719464
lol that's not even a creature mate.

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>>52719515
Yeah but you could use it against a Scornful Egotist.

>>52719597
at least he doesn't die to fatal push

>>52719597
Not Modern legal ;)

>>52716984
>>52717005
Rishadon port is absurdly expensive on mtgo

>>52719648
Neither is your sass.

>>52719229
>Harsh mentor
>Not Young pyromancer

>>52718745
The fact that first ability is +2 and not +1 is important, because you are going to be ahead in card advantage and speed from turn three onwards. Unless you build the deck like retard and she is do nothing. also I have to rework my statement. Maybe not RUG, but UWG.

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You're in the club and this guy slaps your goyf's ass - what do?

>>52715904
Seems like a worse abzan coco. You cant go off the turn the druid hits the field.

>>52719924
Golly, I don't know. Guess I'll have to just spray some cyanide in my opponents face.

How good is actually Ad Nauseam?

>>52720130
Memeulater tier

>>52719968

yes you can, you just need a third card

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Guys CHANDRA WAS BEHIND IT ALL ALONG!

>>52720166

No, he means you can't tap it the turn it comes into play for mana because of summoning sickness. You'd have to give it haste. Splinter Twin had a similar problem, but was able to get around it by playing creatures with Flash; you could play the creature at the end of your opponent's turn, and on your turn they wouldn't have summoning sickness.

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Is soul sisters good?

>>52719229

Young Pyromancer is the strong, proactive 1R, 2/1 that completes the cycle.

>>52719229
They should make something like harsh mentor that does 2 damage to all other creatures instead.

>>52720624
It's definitely good for trolling.

>>52720624
It used to be better... man did it ever piss the local Twin players off.

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>>52715904
>Devoted Remedies
I really fucking hate this deck naming principle.

>>52719968
You can coco or chord into it end step, it's only 2 creatures

>>52720931
What would you call it?
My personal suggestion is fat ballista cocks

>>52720981
I would call the deck in question a flaming pile of shit. But really, first part of card A and second part of card B is the most witless fucking shit template ever and I blame mtggoldfish for propping up the popularity of it couple past years. The standard deck Copycat is the best name to come out in a long time. And yes I much prefer fat ballista cocks.

>>52720889
....What? Why?

>>52721168
A sister on the field is a direct counter to Twin copying.

>>52721100
If you were a deck I'd name you "Raging Autism".

>>52721168
lifegain triggers. if they had one soul sister on the field then twin cant win with deceiver exarch, if they have two then they can't win with neither exarch or pestermite.

>>52721194
If you were a dick, I'd call you "Three Inches."

>>52720624
its alright.

>>52720624
Powerlevel is decent, gameplan is wonky. Gaining a shitton of life is hit and miss depending on matchup. Tedious triggers. And personally I hate postboard matches with the deck; Diluting your gameplan for the usual suspect white silver bullets in hopes of cheesing a win.

>>52721100
>the deck is bad
Sure bud

Why do people hate tron so much? I made an eldatron deck and people just get bent out of shape about it.

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>>52720624
It was a solid budget choice until Auriok Champion spiked in price driving the whole deck up to about $400. At those prices you're better off paying the extra $50 and building Merfolk or something.

The only reason to pick up the deck now is because it has the highest concentration of potential waifu's of any deck in the format.

>>52721437
Because it's degenerate auto pilot. There is no fun in playing against a deck that just assembles tron and wins or gets out aggroed and loses. It's polarizing and doesn't feel like I'm playing with the person across from me

>>52721478
Tron is the only reason why a lot of cards are even viable, though.

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>>52721437
They're just butthurt midrange players, anon. No need to worry about them. Welcome to the fold, fellow tronbro.

>>52721537
Lmao what

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>>52721551
Affinity-fag here, thank you noble Tron-bro.

>>52721551
i'd bet you'd complain about 12 post if it were legal

>>52721564
Anus mana cards for one.

>>52721551
Not even trying to hate, but how does one enjoy playing tron? It plays itself and has no depth.

>>52721632
Not true.

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>>52715904

>>52721657
How else are you going to cast anything efficiently? You planning on dropping some wastes out there on top of some elves by turn 6-7?

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>>52721666

>>52721712
Newfag pls lurk more

>>52721712
Stop posting any time.

>>52721759
>proof by assertion
k

>>52715904
what exactly are you going to do with infinite mana in a coco deck? You can only have 4 chords so thats not exactly consistent.
I think that combo wants its own deck rather than just being jammed into coco

>>52721818
I'm not gonna waste time explaining shit to someone as stupid as yourself. Typical trontard

>>52721456

Norin and his Waifus, the deck.

>>52720961
>You can coco or chord into it end step

by when? turn 4? that seems a little slow. plus infinite mana doesn't win you the game. you need a third spell

>>52721951
Yeah you need a third spell with abzan coco too and it needs to be on board

>>52721897
Wew, edgy. ;)

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>>52721620
I'd play 12-post if it were legal, my dude.
>>52721642
My first deck was a G/x ramp deck built with the goal of slamming awesome creatures. I've always loved the idea of dominating the board with early fatties. No other competitive decks in the format really scratches that itch.

While I could definitely see it getting stale if I was just playing against the same autopilot matchups over and over, my meta has a bunch of decks that really make me consider my lines of play and exactly how I want to tackle the match, like Eldrazi & Taxes and Whir Tezzerator with mainboard Pithing Needles and Crucible + Ghost Quarter. If I do ever end up getting bored of the deck, I have 3 others I can use to take a break from it.

Also, I can play the deck drunk which is relevant for casual play.

>>52722020
thats what im saying. with abzan coco you can turn 1 vicera seer, then hit your two other combo pieces with coco at instant speed (which you have more than one playset of). its a worse abzan coco

>>52721437
Because they're whiny faggot babies like >>52721478. There's literally nothing wrong with Tron.

>>52722121
>whiny faggot babies
You must be 18 to post here

>>52722307
Good point anon, come back after you've had four or five more birthdays.

has anyone tried vehicles in modern? copter and heart are really strong. plus adding new 3cmc gideon into the equation seems promising

>>52722121
>There's literally nothing wrong with Tron.
Tron is the reason aggro is so rampant.
Also, nobody enjoys sitting down across from tron. It's just not a fun matchup. Oh boy, I hope he doesn't assemble these three lands. Modern has abysmal land hate

>>52722116
Oh yeah so if you just hit the perfect cards every time it is better, that's true wow
>3 cards for 6 mana is somehow better than 2 and one in hand for 4 mana
Intradesting

>>52722354
I enjoy it just fine, and have no problems beating it.

I play Mono-U Merfolk, for the record.

>>52722354
>Tron is the reason aggro is so rampant.
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>52722387
Oh look another autist in favour of zero slow decks.
>inb4 you only like control hur dur

>>52722415
>not liking decks that durdle around, wasting everyone's time
>autist
Pick one.

>>52722461
Just because a deck doesn't win on turn 3-4 doesn't mean it durdles forever.
>wasting time
I'm sure your time is so important if you play magic and shitpost on 4chan

>>52722461
I like drawing thing out as long as possible and boardlocking.

>>52722461
Why even play if you want the games to end asap?

>>52722503
to play more games

>>52722482
>Just because a deck doesn't win on turn 3-4 doesn't mean it durdles forever.
Yeah, they're called midrange decks.
>I'm sure your time is so important if you play magic and shitpost on 4chan
Playing against slow decks in a tournament is annoying, making you rush to the next match. Even worse, your match can run long, so now that slow deck is wasting everyone else's time too.

>>52722542
this

>>52722369
>Oh yeah so if you just hit the perfect cards every time it is better

its the same for the other deck though? plus the combo cards don't do anything by themselves. they look pretty bad. i'm not saying the deck wont exist but that nothing to support it has been shown so far. those two pieces wont do anything to win you games

>>52722547
Confirmed you know nothing. No more yous for you.

What do you guys think about old Thalia in knightfall sideoboard?

>>52722608
>I can't counter his points, so I'm just going to pretend he didn't make them
Why don't you go play Four Horsemen in legacy or something?

>>52722601
>a mana fork and essentially an anafenza are bad on their own
Far superior to viscera seer and redcap

>>52722644
>his points

>>52722354

Tron really highlights one of the current major issues with Modern, which is a lack of good answers, particularly for land-based combos. It was the reason why Scapeshift was so degenerate. Colorless cards used to suck (see Colossus of Sardia) because the idea was colorless mana was supposed to be easier to produce in large quantities (Hence printings of things like Ancient Tomb, City of Traitors, Crystal Quarry). The rise of threats has outpaced the printing of answers, however, as WotC design decided that colorless should be as efficient or sometimes MORE efficient than colored mana. This essentially makes colorless the Best Color because you can make a lot of it fast due to a holdovers from previous design philosophies (the Urza lands) to power out efficient threats from current design philosophies. It's something Wizards will have to address with either a banning or printing of more cards that hose colorless cards/lands.

>>52722644
You've got like four people calling you a retard.

>>52722673
>Crystal Quarry

wait, not Crystal Quarry, I meant Crystal Vein

>>52722697
Learn to count.
Also
>implying it matters at all

>Tronfags shit up another thread
Classic

>>52722800
Try anal fisting.

>>52722875
How is the anal fisting of an aggro-centric format, Tron player?

>>52722800
What do you expect them to do, Drool over their mint condition Karns while masturbating over assembling 3 lands?

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Anyone else /kithkin/ here?

Ad Nauseam or Infect? Which deck is better in current meta?

>>52723052
I miss sphinx rev for 15 guy. At least he had to work to masturbate on the table. Tron is like a cheap chinese sex machine that works most of the time but cuts off your dick as soon as something touches the thing

>>52723110
Infect is dead.

>>52723074
Got a list?

Kithkin are neat but I doubt they're viable.

>>52722673
What's a imaginary land hate card that could potentially fix this problem in Modern? Or should some old shit like Wasteland be reprinted?

>>52723134
Price of progress

>>52723134
a hoser land that says: "Lands can only tap for one Mana at a time" while tapping for colorless ofc

>>52723134
>Imaginary

It's called Blood Moon.

>>52723124
CREATURES:
4 Goldmeadow Stalwart
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Ballyrush Banneret
4 Knight of Meadowgrain
4 Wizened Cenn
4 Kinsbaile Borderguard
4 Preeminent Captain
1 Springjack Shepard
INSTANTS:
3 Path to Exile
4 Collected Company
ENCHANTMENTS:
4 Honor of the Pure
LANDS:
4 Windswept Heath
4 Razorverge Thicket
3 Cavern of Souls
2 Temple Garden
2 Forest
5 Plains

SIDEBOARD:
2 Gaddock Teeg
2 RiP
1 Path to Exile
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
3 Blessed Alliance
2 Stony Silence
1 Fracturing Gust
2 Brave the Elements

>>52723287
Comes down too late

>>52723287

Blood moon is not good against tron. Please learn the game a bit more before posting.

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>>52723386
>>52723417
>waaahhh tron is unbeatable!

I want anti-tronfags to leave.

>>52723462
face it: tron is the new boogieman in terms of hosing fair decks after twin has left the field. wouldn't be suprised if they banned something from it just to "shake up the meta/allow more diverse strategies"

>>52723462
>making statements is crying
I want sub human filth to leave

>>52723462

I play tron you fucking idiot, that's why I'm telling you that blood moon is just a minor annoyance unless it comes out game 1, and even then it's just a matter of finding one of my ostones or just hardcasting wurmcoil to stabilize.

Why is it that when you beat an aggro-bro they'll bump fists with you, but when you beat a control-tard they start screeching like an autist about how they would have won if they had drawn the perfect answers?

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>>52723134

I wish

>>52723417
its not game winning but it slows them down, which sometimes is enough

>>52723502
Modern isn't a PT format anymore, so that doesn't seem likely.

>>52723521
Why do you make up scenarios and generalize? Why are you so ass pained by control?

>>52723502
Tron isn't even that bad though. I don't bitch and moan because my deck has a bad match to Affinity. I just side for it and play the match as best I can, and sometimes I pull out a win. Why can't anti-tronfags do the same?

>>52723521

Really? Whenever I beat an aggro player they get all sour and mopey and make passive-aggressive comments about how lucky I was to draw what I needed.

>>52723558
Why can you not comprehend the difference between struggling with something and not enjoying something?

>>52723557
I'm not making up scenarios. Both of those things have actually happened to me.
>>52723560
Strange. Not my experience.

>>52720185
They really need to bring back rk post and Rebecca Guay to standard sets.

>>52723521

Because winning isn't what matters at the special olympics, all that matters is that you tried.

>>52723558
because tron works in so many shells. you can't sideboard for tron because gr,uw,u,w and eldrazi tron all give a varying amount of fucks about your sideboard hate. and what >>52723575
said

>>52723575
So you're just an insufferable faggot that complains even when they win, then?

>>52723522
Reprint coming in HoD. Cap this post.

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>>52723134
This is all I can think of that could be made viable.

>>52722503
Same reason why people play golf, the goal is to crush your opponent with as little effort as possible.

>>52723626
>if you don't have a hard time with something you must like it
You know how fucking stupid you are?

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>Autistic cucktrol players crying about Tron and ruining another thread
Not surprised to be honest with you, here's a tip: play a deck that isn't a meme shit cuck deck

>>52723650

that's bullshit

but I believe it

>people aren't calling the vizier of remedies combo the modern cure
It's literally the cure and if you don't agree you are a cuck

Redpill me on mono blue tron

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>>52722713
>Crystal Vein

wait, not Crystal Vein, I meant Crystal Mountain

>>52723763

Maybe in professional play/business outings, but when I golf my opponents are a non-factor. I just try to improve my strokes and spank the ball when I drive.

>>52723901
It's the shitty version of tron you try before realizing the Gx variants are vastly superior.

>>52723912
>my opponents are a non-factor
Just like tron

>>52723654
Isn't that slow as fuck, and requires too much colored mana?

Reminder that Ponza is a deck that exists.

>>52723970
It exists as a shitty meme deck that dies to a single goblin guide

>>52723984
Perhaps, but it's better than whining unconstructively about Tron.

>>52723938

Both are therapeutic in a way. Tron is annoying to play against but it's arguably the most comfy deck to play.

>>52723949
I mean, if you spec'd for land hate, it could just end up being 2 black. Maybe that + smallpox and other stuff. I'm sure an overall strategy could be made.

>>52724038
>whining
Again, learn the meaning of the words you use.

>>52724054
fulminator mage, stone rain, rain of tears, smallpox, zo-zu

>>52723970
To be fair, it's way too inconsistent and slow to put up a fight vs Tron in the long run. Draws with Blood Moon/a single Stone Rain with no pressure do nothing, mono-threat draws even less. Without mana accel loses to turn 3 Karn every time.

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>>52724038
Are you going to be okay? Would you like to talk about Enchantress instead?

>>52724221
Whining, gerund or present participle of whine.

Whine (v): give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound; complain in a feeble or petulant way.

Sounds accurate to what I'm seeing.

>>52724247
I'll be fine. I don't play either Tron or Ponza, nor is Tron a particularly bad matchup for me.

>>52724285
Makes sense. The mentally challenged often perceive the world incorrectly.

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>>52724054
>>52723949
Now, if someone could make this combo or something similar take off quickly, it's all sunshine and rainbows to deal with tron.

Maybe ironically use tron yourself + chromatic star/sphere for a red mana and burn down their tron and everything else?

>>52724338
Yep, which explains the whining.

>>52724247
>Enchantress
Well. Post the list.

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>>52724247

If I have a Sphinx's Tutelage out on the field, and casted Burning Inquiry... what would happen? How do you resolve the milling/drawing/discarding effect?

My assumption would be you both draw a card at the same time, then he mills, then you draw your second, mills, draw third, mills, then discard.

>>52724355
Kek. You got burned

>>52724381
Really? I don't feel anything.

>>52724367
You can't resolve your triggers in the middle of another spell resolving. The mill triggers will go on the stack after the inquiry has finished resolving.

Anyone here ever play in a SCG Classic? If so, how was it?

>>52724471

Ah, thanks.

>>52724343
Vandalblast is probably better than By Force for what you're trying to do.

Tron is fun to play against.
>Commandeer Tron
>exile a Tron piece
>wait for scoop/concede
Nulamog is a little annoying but meh.

>>52724608
So what's that, a turn 3-4 full board wipe for your opponent if you use tron yourself?

>>52724647
Played 8rack vs G?B tron this FNM at my LGS, I run version with 4 smallpox and 2 extraction main board for the lulz with Isochron Scepters.

The looks on his face when I extracted his all tron lands in 2 games was priceless

But I play tron myself so I know his pain

I think Tron could be more bearable to play against if we had more cards that interacted with Ugin/Karn. Planeswalkers in general could stand a few more hate cards to get printed for them.

>>52724751
Another problem is taxing abilities like suppression field don't matter against a deck that makes a gorrilion mana

>>52724751
I agree on this point. I don't think the problem is the tron mana ramp but planeswalkers like Ugin and Karn which there isn't as easy ways to deal with it. You'd think with standard being so be-all end-all with planeswalkers, they'd add in some hate for it.

>>52724751
Tron was more bearable back when all they had for threats was Karn, Wurmcoil, and a singleton Emrakul. The pushed Eldrazi like Ulamog and World Breaker are what make the deck a pain.

>>52724801

I was just thinking about how in Standard there are numerous ways to deal with enchantments, with artifacts, and with creatures, but very few ways of interacting with planeswalkers other than crashing your creatures into them or playing black.

>>52724343
Hmm...
You've just given me an idea for my 5 colour Tron brew.

>>52724343
>5 card combo
What could go wrong?

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>>52724858
I just remembered this card... Mycosynth with it would be brutal.

>>52725011
Welcome to EDH

>>52723578
>Rebecca Guay
No thanks, I prefer good art.

>>52724941
Nah, it's as simple as assembling tron (ezmode) and adding mycosynth to it. Then take your pick with a number of cards to deal with artifacts.

By your logic, classic tron with Karn is a 4 card combo and that's far from unachievable.

>>52723522
>Art is a pair of Karns getting blown up
It's a sign

>>52725062
Well your ideal scenario loses to normal Tron's ideal scenario anyway. Even then, you need a 2 turn 2 card combo after you've got Tron. Why not just start slamming down big dumb shit?

>>52716513
>Turn 1: Land, Llanowar Elf
Enemy Turn 1: Island
>Turn 2: Draw card, Land, Nettle, Heritage Druid, Tap for Heritage Ability drop Devoted Druid, Untap Nettle, 1 mana remaining drop 2nd Nettle, one cards remaining in hand.
Enemy Turn 2: Pyroclasm.
>Turn 3. Concede.

Very few formats allow you to goldfish for three turns, even if they do, you should win if you drew the perfect hand.

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>>52725036
t. Jeremy Cranford

>>52725119
What was this inspiration for such a card?

>>52725036
>there are people who will shitpost against Guay

What can men do against such reckless faggotry

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>>52725119
It's funny because she's easily one of the best artists they ever hired but she barely gets to do any cards these days because Wizards is obsessed with using poor quality CG art.

>>52725107
Im of the full belief there's work-arounds. Maybe a turn 2 karn/whatever hate. Anything that could delay would be sufficient I think.

The concept itself is good, I think.

>>52725172
>>52725210
I'm slowly collecting every Rebecca Guay card printed. Whoever opens my binder will have to turn past all of them if he wants to get to my good stuff.

>>52725229
>The concept itself is good, I think
Fucking LOL

I'm going to reveal something shameful about me:
I prefer the new style of artwork and borders to the classic ones I grew up with

>>52725233
>Owning a Bitterblossom
Oh you poor thing.

>>52725239
The borders can be lived with. The Invocation border is unforgivable, especially after the Zendikar ones were actually nice. But the art is fucking atrocious and you're actually wrong for liking it.

>>52725238
Wew, edge. ;^)

>>52725239
That's not shameful, my African American friend. I, too, prefer newer borders and have no opinion one way or the other on the new art direction. CG art is cheap and quick, and with how little WotC pays their artists (if they pay them at all) it makes sense that the artists don't want to dedicate too much time to it.

>>52725294
But it's so colorful and vibrant!

>>52725306
Nice. The same shitpost you made earlier. Not even edgy, your idea is absolutely terrible. The worst I've seen posted in a long time honestly.

>>52725333
I want good, not colourful and vibrant.

>>52725351
Same thing

>>52725337
Yeah, turn 4 total opponent boardwipe. Literally the worst, haha. ;^)

>>52725351
If the cards were full art maybe it would matter more, but wizards insists on keeping everything but the occasional land and promo inside a tiny box.

>>52725391
The worst part is there's no real reason for borders these days. In the early days it gave the printing presses a margin of error when cutting cards, but these days even low budget weeb shit has full art with no problems. It's like they think filtering out full art cards will somehow make them more money than just making their cards look fucking great all the time.

>>52725383
I guess polymorph is a good deck too (insert emoticon of infinite autism)

I literally don't care about borders or artwork

the cards could be plain-white pieces of card stock with simple information printed on them in black 12pt times new roman font and I would still play this stupid fucking game

>>52725383
>I've been playing for a month ;^)

>>52725422
No, no, I agree. It's impossible to delay anything 1 turn. *Especially* when you run tron yourself. I love this heated agreement here! ;)

>>52723110
bump

>>52725463
Your actually so stupid it hurts. Are you gonna be okay without a helper?

>>52725542
Infect is no longer a deck. For fucks sake you got your answer earlier

>>52725576
For real Anon, Probe ban killed it?

>>52725550
Just fine, friend. :^)

Careful with those ad hominems, though -- especially when you seem grammatically challenged.

>>52725706
Just like it killed Death's Shadow.

>>52725706
blessed alliance, then probe ban, then fatal push as the last nail in the coffin finally killed it.

>>52725165
They stopped using Rebecca Guay.

>>52725233
Back when I bothered to trade I did the same. So many autists would bitch about the "girly art".

>>52725741
>I'm an idiot

>>52725741
It did kill Deaths Shadow zoo tho

>>52725788
OK, this would be clever if it wasn't a shit decision.
It's like, hey, nudge, nudge, remember when we had good art?! Well not now! Get it? Get the card?

>>52725435
I know man, I know.

The fact that people place more value on the artwork or simply having "Jellyfish" tribal than desiring a good game blows my fucking mind. Game's going to shit but thank god we have Egyptian analogs.

No joke, it's going to be another year of this. They won't be able to unfuck themselves until the next block and I'm willing to believe Wizards when they say that.

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>people who play Grixis Shadow cause they're too poor to afford Goyfs

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>>52725165
>>52725788
Check Wikipedia for the full rundown.

>>52721712
>this nigga doesn't even know about Eldrazi and Taxes

lame-o

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>>52725233
>every Rebecca Guay card printed
Every card?

>>52725842
Because playing it makes you realize the Eldrazi part is way better than the Taxes part.

>>52725882
This is true. I'm building bant eldrazi because the white weenie aspect is pretty shit

>>52725823
Hey, it was a "good" decision according to them.

Her art was too generic fantasy and didn't express the meaning behind the card (which makes you wonder why Terese Nielsen is fine) and it polled poorly with their focus groups.

That's why we have trash digital art made by people who just copy paste from a Google Image search. Not that there is anything wrong with digital art, it just makes it easier for people to be lazy fucks.

Hiring real artists and writers? What the fuck is that, no, we want to hire starving unproven artists who will work for a song for our fucking premier best-selling product. We'll pay an art director a living wage to put non-white people in the art but we'll do nothing to make the art good.

Fucking great.

>>52726103
nothing against terese nielsen. I even play fucking descendant's path in slivers just because of the artwork

>>52726103

Terese Nielsen is probably fine because she draws a rockin' pairs of tits from time to time and that puts the horny teenage boy demographic on lock.

>>52719016
Traverse the Ulvenwald

>>52726168
>>52726170
Nothing against either Guay or Nielsen. Point is, Wizards is fucking inconsistent with their excuses and whoever is doing their surveys and bullshit are obviously retards like all focus testing groups.

>>52724570
It's fun. Less exciting than a gp but i'd still come out for it.

>>52719016
>Fatal Push
>World Breaker
>Reality Smasher
>Thought-Knot Seer
>Grim Flayer
>Tireless Tracker
>Selfless Spirit
>Collective Brutality
>Blessed Alliance
>Ishkanah, Grafwidow
>Glint-Nest Crane
>Saheeli Rai
>Chandra, Torch of Defiance

What did he mean by this?

>>52726178
I still find it funny. I was advocating for traverse the ulvenwald for months after it came out
>lol jump through hoops for bad tutor
>needs a toolbox deck
>just run a threat in its place

>>52726331
Classic /tg/

I'm coming back to mtg now. Dropped at Zendikar.

How much has modenr changed? (I stopped following on the banning of Twin).

Can I have fun at FNM with Small Naya Zoo?

What do you think about Elves in Modern? Trash tier or actually good?

>>52725855
Wow I had no idea those existed.
Damn you anon I'll have to get some.

>>52726593
Things have been steadily going downhill since around Zendikar. Innistrad was the last truly good set, although I could see giving RtR a pass.

>>52726593
Infect is dead. Dredge rose to fame and was then nerfed back down again. Death's Shadow Jund is the new thing.

At FNM you can probably have fun with most anything depending on the store.

>>52726603
Playable, but Merfolk is the better tribal.

>>52726675
>merfolk
did you mean mono black zombies?
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t%5BC1%5D=28&start_date=2017-04-09&end_date=2017-04-09&event_ID=36&city=Worcester&state=MA&t_num=1&limit=8&start_num=8&start_num=0&limit=8

>>52726331
It turns out when a deck can run up to eight 0-mana redraws that automatically give you two cardtypes in the yard alongside shit like fetches, Traverse is essentially a sorcery-speed Worldly Tutor that puts the card in your hand.

>>52726701

>Gifted Aetherborn

But that's not a zombie

That's not a zombie at all

>>52726701
I like the new spoiled BW lifedrain zombie over Gifted Aetherborn tbqh senpai.

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How would you build 12Chad for Modern, /tg/?

>>52726875
Nigga you better throw some Kytheons in there.

>>52725825
>people who post the same chapelle show image in every thread becuase they're too normie to post smug anime sluts

>>52726892
Normie is way better than anime fag

>>52726875
>there will never be a 2 mana gideon for you to have the perfect gideon curve

>>52726939
>he says in a thread about a game that probably has the highest levels of autism of any fandom short of bronies

>>52726941

Maybe we'll get it after he kills Nicol Bolas, anon.

>>52726965
>he says based on nothing
Just because you're autistic doesn't mean everyone is

>>52727009
Try going to a GP or even just reading this thread. The truth may be harsh anon, but we must accept it.

>>52719229
Lol no. Harsh mentor is pretty decent, but it's not that good.

>>52727019
I've been to a gp. Sure, you get the human filth but not all of them are.
>some people are filthy fatasses so everyone must be

>>52726875
As sick as it is, I kinda want perfect curve decks for all the Gatewatch, just so I can get 4 friends together and have a 5 man Gatewatch battle royale.

>>52727053
You're ruining this game

>>52727050
I never said it was everyone. I just said the levels were very high.

>>52727062
I want to see the Gatewatch fight Each other to the death. So that means I'm ruining the game for the rest of you. Not anyone else, just me, specifically.

>>52727083
Yes.

>>52727100
Well, take solace in the fact that I'm dying, slowly and painfully, and will soon pass on. And with my death, Magic will enter a new era of powerful cards that push a myriad of archetypes, both old and new , into the limelight.

>>52727153
Go swiftly, my King

Can anyone explain Spell Queller's stack interactions?
Like I Spell Queller my opponent's Bolt and then they kill Spell Queller, can anyone tell me what gets placed on the stack to the point where the Bolt that was exiled by Queller deals 3? Thanks.

>>52719011
>what is op

>>52727514
>Spell Queller enters battlefield before bolt
>bolt card is exiled
>once, (whenever, not immiditaly) Spell Queller leaves battlefield, the original caster of Bolt, may cast it again for free.

>>52727574
>>52727514
>"Before ^bolt^ resolves, that is "<
Spell Queller resolves before bolt resolves, dunno wtf you're asking

>>52724801
I mean, it's certainly a possibility that we get some kind of thematic planeswalker hate card in the next set, seeing as it is being billed as Bolas the set. Whether it will be playable is another question.

>Gideon only deck actually looks fun
>A shame it costs 100+$

is this fine for a merfolk list?

https
://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/618129#paper

if not, recommendations please, and yes I will eventually put in the lands

>>52717754
That is Death Shadow Jund at work.
When you only have eight threat cards, and four are goyfs, you need the biggest goyfs you can get.

>>52726675
>Infect is dead

Bans, or just lost proeminence/Meta grew unfavourable?

>>52728926
see
>>52725785

>>52726305
>Ishkanah, Grafwidow
>Saheeli Rai
Neither of these are playable in modern.

>>52729552
>Ishkanah, Grafwidow
>unplayable in modern
Ishkanah is literally the centerpiece of the most popular deck in the format, DSJ. Do some research before you you post.

>>52729595
fuck off shitposter, you aren't even being funny.

>>52729552

I literally just went to top 8, looked at the top decks, and rattled off the standard cards that were in the decks.

Don't complain to me because people are winning with cards you don't like you turbo-fag.

>>52729665
Mind providing links to the lists playing that jank? Because Gaffwidow is fucking garbage, and the token generating minority dies to bolt. I don't see a single deck on top 8 running that crap that isn't a standard deck.

>>52729823
Not that guy but you can search for cards being used in decks on mtg top 8 or MTG Gold Fish
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15263&d=292735&f=MO
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-abzan-35816#online

>>52729823
>ishkanah being bad

Next you're gonna tell me how the gearhulks are bad.