Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

First for Nurgle

>>52705518
>when removing dead models, do you have to keep 1" distance between models in a unit or is that just in movement

you can remove them from anywhere but during movement you have to return to coherency

Would this be correct, Lord Celestant general with consummate commander placed on a second lord celestant would allow +2 hit for units if you overlapped command ability bubbles. I'm imagining retributors with blessed weapons that mortal wound and generate an extra attack on 4+.

>>52706445
>5+ save
Why though.

>>52706445
its hard to understand how good this is without knowing how many points it will cost.

>>52706476

Frankly I have no idea how to cost it, maybe 240?

>>52706627
honestly I don't know either.

The main thing tripping me up is putting a value on the fact that its a troop transport.

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>>52706445

Since Soulblight probably won't be getting an update anytime soon, I've gotten very tempted to make a list for them where I make use of the Darkling Coven units in addition to standard Soulblight units. Typical "count as" where I just replace their standard keywords with Death, Soulblight, Vampire, etc.

Vampire Lord plus Blood Knights plus vampire cultists or what have you sounds fun to me, just give them the von Carstein shields and paint them appropriately. I think it's work decently, especially since I only ever casual games with friends.

>>52706670
Its comparable to a steam tank, flying and transport I think will cause them to price it at 280-300. That also lines up with a loose extrapolation based on what was on the field assuming that the preview army they used vs fec was 2000.

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>>52702160
>can you do the probability density graphs for the number of incoming damages at, various rend characteristics, to remove the blimp as a casualty?
You mean incoming damage before the blimp's save?

>bonus points for incorporating the baseline wound regeneration of the blimp.
I'll have to improve my calculator to account for that. This gives me a good reason to.

Profit Ain’t free. The frigates of the city-ports gotta be fueld with the aethergold of the Arkanauts. ancestor god GRIMNIR aka “incestor” is not my magnate. he is duardin superstition and probbaly dawi zharr as well :DD. AETHERGOLD and the Code not ur-gold and OATHS ok. praise Brokk.

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Found elsewhere on the internet, if anyone was wondering exactly how big the arkanaught crew are: they're basically dwarf sized. A shocking revelation, I know.

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We've got finally got some points lads

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>>52706476
Let me cover that.

>>52706445
So these count as artillery for Matched play right?
So at 2k they only get like 3...
So why wouldn't you take solely the ironclad, whatever the points. Each boat gets engrinrigger unit to constantly repair... have a chemist dude WAY in the back (but in LOS) to give more movement, then a few mortar teams to bombard and slowly advance...

>>52707022
SOMEONE MAKE THIS MEME

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>>52707121
Rumor has it that Frigate and Ironclad count as both Behemoth and Warmachine.

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These fuckers are fairly impressive. They cost a paltry 100pts for a super-solid selection of rules, gears and stats.

>>52707175
We really need the code pages...
If there are articles that give an increase to hit for range, I expect that to be the default everytime... one shot on a 4+ is not cool, even if the damage is D6.

>>52707035
Is the model on the left Forgeworld? Doesn't look like standard possessed bits.

>>52707254
some 30k set comes with them, they're pretty bad ass, but I wish they had a 40k armored option.

>>52707243
Shit the repair dudes are more fighty that the sky pike dudes! Good for close defense of the ship

>>52706712
He's...fairly boring, isn't he? I mean, a fearless-bubble is nice to have, but beyond that there's not much to him.

>>52707091
Shit crop is shit
Where are the battlefield roles nigga?

>>52707337
I don't know, the rapid-fire pistols are certainly nice, but the chainfists, as nice as they are, only make a single swing

>>52707343
Nothing wrong with Inspiring Presence + 1 for a command ability. The role to charge (if he gets in) for free is ok too. But he seems to just exist to support the gunline troops, when we are all about them ships son

>>52707357
Dunno, found them that way.
We know that Arcanaut Company are battleline.

Want to get into TGing lads,

My main interest is MUH REGULAR FARMER/PEASANTS.

I guess my query is if I should invest in legacy Empire models or should I hold off on the chance something is on the horizon

>>52707435
Free Guilders are the closest, so yeah.

>>52707435
I mean if you're already going legacy peasants, why not Brettonia?

>>52707384
It's like 1.98 wounds, same damage WORSE rend versus 1.65 wounds, same damage BETTER rend.
And the rigger pistols are way way better. They make up the combat difference and then some.
All the other guys get is mortal wounds on the retreat, which sucks, because then you are not shooting the awesome guns

What the heck? Is that all to the Kharadron range?

>>52707467
But they do have the higher POTENTIAL damage I guess... but the average is a better way to gauge. But, like I said, some yet unknown way to boast the hit rolls changes the game... which they probably don't have as a balancing factor, like the naked midgets, God Damn it

>>52707091

I have no idea but the airships seem overly expensive for what they can do

>>52707471
There's about 12 units total for them.

>>52707471
What?
Four ranked units, 3 artillery/behemoths, 3 characters, and one special not enough for you? This is about par for the course for AoS factions... that aren't Storm cast or Khorne.

>>52707435
Why do we get these like fucking clockwork? Is there just one moron making these posts every thread or are people really that desperate for a type of army that has the least possible impact on the setting?
And don't say "but muh Freeguild", Freeguild are either badass volunteer warriors from Azyr with a mile-long hateboner for Chaos or hardened survivors from centuries of warfare against oppressive forces. They are as far removed from mudraking yokels as possible.

>>52707521
They get aether-khemist crack instead of hit bonuses. I'm assuming 20 thunderers with morters can get it and bomb you with 40 d3 shots from 36" for a whole 400 points.

>>52707565
4 characters, actually. It's a fairly substantial release.

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>>52707521
Just have an Aether Khemist fart on them. Sadly won't work on ships, but still.

>>52707642
I agree with you. My faction got 3 units, 3 heros, a monster and a special... and that's it. Tree people got 4 units, 2 heros, 2 monster/hero, and one special. Naked dwarves similar. It's just how it goes if you don't get a starter box I guess

>>52707669
What does the endrinmaster do? Bonus ship weapons or just repair a little better...

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>>52707669
The chemist and ten mortars seem like a fairly vile combo.

>>52707615
Christ... that's a unit neutered a turn. Savage.

>>52707776
It's also a 500pts investment, is rend-less and still only has a 4+/3+ profile.
It's good, but not *that* amazing.

Well, i just picked up a skeleton horde box

What should i get next?

>>52707762
If by 'vile' you mean auto include, then yes. Yes it is. So vile every list will have two chemists, and two units of ten to twenty midget mortars. Oh what's that Death players? Scary 40 man skeleton units? PICK 'EM UP. Nice mortarch. Now they are gone.

>>52707836
So on turn one, you have a good chance to "nope" a key unit from across the board. Extra cloud gold if it's a deathstar unit or key character/monster (and monsters can't get cover right? So only a 3+ at best)
That's worth 500. And it gets to keep doing that all game, because unless you box it in, it gets to retreat from combat for free to keep shooting

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A keeper of secrets is 280 points and a daemon prince is 160
is it worth using the KoS if its not my general?
I can almost get 2 daemon princes for the same points cost, and I would be using the Lord of Slaanesh on mount as my general so ignore the KoS command ability.

>>52707407
But are they allegiance battleline or standard battleline?

Hmm, so you camp the back of the board with mortars and battleline tax then move a ship as screen up to the middle with 6 units of riggers.

>>52707950
I could see them even being battle line in overlords anyways

>>52707926
True enough, but you better hope your enemy has no teleports or super-high saves.

>>52707868
well do you plan on actually using the mortarch? and in which case which one?

Regardless Skeletons in general are a good starting investment BUT they sold out on the GW-page so a new kit or a AoS reboxing (20man box for 23 pound instead of 10 for 15 or smth like that) is inbound.

Unless you're going full deathrattle you want to build the Knights in the box as Hexwraiths instead too. additonally the Malignants SC is a good addition if you want a Coven Throne or Mortis engine in your army

Deaths strength is high leadership Hordes and counterdeployment via summoning so you're looking for Wizards and a high model count unit of skeletons/zombies, therefore Necromancers are an auto-include of sorts.

Unless you wanna go full elite With Mortarch and Morghasts or Vampire+Dragon and bloodknights

What armies are people in your LGS playing ?

>>52707868
wight king with black axe

>>52707931

The KoS ability your opponent can just choose to ignore and is only better in combat if it has more than 6 wounds damage but it is a wizard but then again you could get a chaos sorcerer with a much better spell and a demon prince for only 20 more points than the KoS

The keeper is only really good if you can use its ability

One thing that always bothered me about the dwarves was how they were supposedly really resistent to magic and also very defiant of wizardry, but had their own form of super-strong magic in the form of runes. I felt it was kind of awkward.

Now that they've clearly separated the duardin into fedora-tipping steampunks who don't need no gods on one side, and magic-infused rune-addicted Grimnir worshippers on the other, it makes more sense. The duardin resistance to magic (dunno if it's still part of the fluff though) can explain both why the former can resist to spells without wizardry, and why the latter need to hammer magic runes into themselves to make them fully work.


Now, if ONLY the fyreslayers didn't look like complete shit and hadn't normalized the slayer oath, it'd be great.

Hopefully the chaos duardin and the Dispossessed will get significant updates.

Or, maybe ancestor-worshippers from the realm of Death. That'd be pretty cool.

>>52708189
>Now, if ONLY the fyreslayers didn't look like complete shit and hadn't normalized the slayer oath, it'd be great.

They look great and he Oath thing is great too.

>>52708189
If we get ANOTHER dwarf release anytime soon I will charlie hebdo GW headquarters

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NOTHIN PERSONELL

>>52708235
GW shill pls go
their retard-helmets look dumb, their beards look like vomit, and they don't look like crazy adventurers. They look like fat pygmies with a gay hat

>>52708303
That's your opinion. Mine is they're good.

>>52707134
Kinda disappointed by this. 280 points for something that struggles to out damage and out tank 80 points of SCE javelin prosecutors at the same movement with less range on some of its guns.

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>>52707615

>>52708374
Shit meant 220.

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>>52708444
>>52707615
Again, treat this like fast food. It's bad to eat nothing but it, but it'll fill you up. Expected damage against a 4+ save. Now it's time to make this tool better so I get exact stats instead of relying on expected stats.

>>52708444
100 pts for this seems really good

>>52708490
Since each wound does d3 damage, you expect most cases to end up close to the red graph

How much do you theme and story your armies?

>>52708539
Theme and story are the primary focus of any army I make.

Hell, I've actually been kinda struggling lately on the motivations of my vampire house beyond just farming bodies for their army.

>>52707836
I'm pretty sure the shooting for 1000 points of mortars beats or is comparable to 1000 points of Aetherstrike force until you start getting into low save with a reroll. It requires no setup is easily scalable.

>>52708303
In my view they look like characters from all-midget gay porn

>>52708303
I agree, Fyreslayers look stupid. Who thought it was a good idea to have a faction consisting of nothing but naked muscle-bound midgets with mohawks and the occasional lizard mounts? All their dwarfs look the same to me.

>>52708374
I can't see anyone taking them unless the battalions are amazing. I don't see a lot of reason to even take the transports when half the army will be balloon dudes.

Do you have to retain coherence when pilling in? I thought you had to pile in towards the closest model.

>>52708825
Even the ironclad outguns them point for point while being tougher, easier to repair and being able to transport dudes.

>>52708836
"A unit must be set up and finish any sort of move as a single group of models, with all models within 1" of at least one other model from their unit. If anything causes a unit to become split up during a battle, it must reform the next time that it moves."

So yes you have to maintain coherency while piling in, AND you have to end the move closer to the closest unit than you started. If you can't do one or the other of those, you have to sit still. That'd be my take on it.

>>52708013
I plan to make it neferata

Most people in my GW run stormcast, ironjawz or sylvaneth

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Whats more MoonMan?
Tzeentch or grots?

>>52708934
>I want to play a 9th edition cool army with old lore
>My GW runs AoS marines, AoS orks, AoS wood elves

Faggots, all of them.

>>52709037
Goblins only have moon drawings. Tzeentch has multiple models with an actual moon head.

>>52709052
>Complaining about GW store running a GW supported game instead of an unsupported game

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Thoughts on this? For points I was thinking somewhere closer to 200, maybe 220? (for 10).

>>52707254
Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren.

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>gw actually named their fucking skeleton subfaction "bonerattle"

And yet people keep saying AoS's lore is "getting there".

I have two questions from a game I played earlier.

When setting up models in the beginning of the game, how close/far away do my units have to be from each other?

And second, what happens when models pile in and are now very close to a model not locked in combat. For example, my Brutes were a few inches away from my Gargant, but when my friend's Clanrats piled-in, they were extremely close to him, like within 1-2 inches.

>>52709188
I think he's complaining more about nobody at his GW having armies that could be used in 9th. All three of those are new factions (assuming he means Ironjawz and Sylvaneth by AoS Orcs and Wood Elves).

>>52709511
>When setting up models in the beginning of the game, how close/far away do my units have to be from each other?
I don't believe there's any restriction. They could be in model to model contact, giving each other battle brother hugs before running off to die.

>>52709511
"Locked in combat" isn't really a thing anymore. If your Gargant was within 3" of the enemy unit, he'd be in combat, but otherwise he'd just be there like normal.

>>52709553
So if they pile-in on the Brutes, the Gargant is now a part of the combat, and thus can't move away? Cause that's how we played it.

>>52709511
Question 1: Within 1" of at lest one other model from their own unit.

Question 2: I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. If a model is within 3" of an enemy at any point it's locked in combat? So if the Gargant was out of range of clanrats, clanrats piled in (to a different unit) and that then put them within 3" of the Gargant, the Gargant is now in combat. (is that the situation you're trying to describe?)

>>52709580
Yes, that's what I meant by question two. Thanks!

>>52709579
That's how I would do it, yes.

>>52709579
If the Gargant is within 3" of an enemy unit, he's in combat.

>>52707091
>300 point special character

Hmmm seems undercosted

His damage output is comparable to Settra and Celestant Prime

Guess we'll see how he fares on the table

>>52707175
fleetmaster is really good

>>52709672
Where are his stats?

>>52707243
>120 points for 6 wounds

They're going to crumble to any kind of shooting, magic, or mortal wounds, but these guys are pretty neat.

>>52708303
>their beards look like vomit
oh look its this retard again

shoo shoo

If neferata turns someone into a vampire, do I have to hold points aside for that?

>>52709783
Now we've seen most of the rules and points, what do you guys think? http://www.strawpoll.me/12749672

>>52709807
Yes.

>>52709816
thats gay as shit

>>52709807
You have to pay points whenever you add any models to the table

The ONLY exception is if you are adding models to a unit that already exists. You cannot increase a unit past its starting size.

>>52709833
>>52709816
So, armies that were built around summoning are now horribly gimped now that summoning is literally worthless in matched play

good to know GW is still up to it's old bullshit

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>>52706159
Still waiting

Got 10 ardboyz. How should I outfit them?

Already have 7 with big choppas/drummer/banner, and 3 shield guys

>>52709816
The skydorfs look fair to me although there are definitely some units that are way better than others. Airships seem mostly pointless when you could just buy more mortar manlets instead.

>>52709846
Fuck off, Anon. They were OP as fuck, now they're toned down but still decent.

>>52709858
50/50 dual choppas and big choppas

>>52709783
They can be embarked on a skyvessel without adding to its encumbrance, and they can still repair it. It will at least help them avoid some shooting.

>>52709864
What about abilities that create new models?

You have to save points just in case it happens on the game?

Or the abilities are worthless as they cant happen if you didnt save points.?

Thats shit game design Petey

>>52709846
It's not worthless because you can choose what you spend your reinforcement points on during the game as well as deep strike whatever you summoned. The first is insurance against list tailoring and monobuilds and deep striking is good for getting otherwise slow units up the board.

>>52709846
Summoning isnt worthless

Its not overpowered any more and its usually better to deploy units at the start of the game instead of summoning them, but its not worthless

>>52709879
Yep, save points or you can't do it.

And it's not, it curbs powergaming.

>>52709864
Not him, but I really do feel like there should be some circumstances where you shouldn't have to pay points. Alarielle turning someone into a tree, Morghur turning his own troops into Spawn, vampires turning people into more vampires/wight kings, Ring of Immortality especially. Summoning stuff/raising the dead I get, but if it's literally a gimmick ability to turn something into something else I don't think it should cost.

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>>52709882
So basically I have to buy even more models so I can choose what to summon into the game?

gee what a great idea, wonder who thought it up

>>52709911
You'd have to buy the models anyway, if you were going to summon them, Anon, points or no.

>>52707836

Against a 4+ unit that's 13.33 wounds which for 500 points is not really that impressive.

Falls off *hard* against armor buffs too

Or y'know, have a conversation with people prior to playing a game about whether you're in it for WAAC or for fun.

Hell tl;dr, just find chill people to play with and houserule the shit that bothers you.

>>52709911
If summoning was unlimited you'd need way more models to supply the insane amount of shit Nagash or a daemon list could summon.

>>52709807
>>52709816
>Yes.

Wow, that disappoints me greatly. What's even the point of that ability? It doesn't even have the benefit of the pseudo-Deep Strike that regular summoning has.

>>52709911
When summoning was unlimited it incentivized you to buy way more stuff

Are you a retard

>>52709928
540 points of longstrike raptors only averages 9.66 wounds to a 4+ target at shorter range and have to stand still to boost their range to still less than the mortar manlets.

>>52709961
Open and Narrative play. No points cost.

>>52710046
Longstrikes fire multiple times per turn though

>>52709961
There are some 'set up a new X' abilities that would probably be fair if they didn't need points, but unfortunately points aren't part of the base game and are only imposed by a global special rule from the GHB. The stupidest one is the ring of immortality for death. Vamp on a zombie dragon died? That'll be 440 points to get a new one with only D3 wounds please.

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>>52710070
>Open and Narrative play

>>52709833
So it'd be better to say you have to pay points whenever you add a unit to the table?

>>52710109
Narrative play is fucking fun.

>>52710076
What? No they don't, they only have 1 attack each. Hurricane raptors have multiple attacks (3D6, to be exact, but they're 4+ 4+ so it balances out).

>>52710070
Who honestly plays that though?

>>52710129
I do narrative games with scenarios.

>>52710129
I do Open Play all the time. I'll sometimes use points as a sort of rough idea of how good units I'm not familiar with are, but I've probably had more fun in Open than I ever have in Matched.

Besides, then I can actually use my sweet Grombrindal I put so much conversion work into.

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>>52710123
>he doesn't know about Aetherstrike

>>52710076
A full aetherstrike force with min size of everything but 1 raptor squad which is maxed costs 1620 points. If we assume the max size raptor squad gets to be the one shooting in the hero phase this whole formation cranks out ~35.7 shooting wounds a turn vs 4+.
3 units of 20 mortar manlets with 3 druglords costs 1500 points and averages 40 shooting wounds a turn against 4+. Happy now?

>>52710046
Are you accounting for their headshot mechanic and battalions that let them fire multiple times per turn?

>>52707762
I quite like the idea of the Khemist and Aethercannons. Drop them from a ship behind enemy lines, and let them do their thing.

>>52710256
Youre still not accounting for azyros reroll hit1 or being able to shoot after aetherwings/judicators/knights die

>>52710271
>>52710286
The manlets have a longer threat range than the raptors and enough firepower to delete the squad of 12 in 1 volley. They're not going to get any retaliatory strikes since they'll be the unit that died.

>>52710349
>The manlets have a longer threat range than the raptors and enough firepower to delete the squad of 12 in 1 volley. They're not going to get any retaliatory strikes since they'll be the unit that died.
Yeah thats never going to happen lol

You clearly have never played against aetherstrike

shoo shoo go play some games instead of shitposting mathhammer

Khadaron preorders up on New Zealand site! Frigate comes out to about 116 Burger Bucks

>>52710046

It was more that fulminators will take less than 1 wound per turn from a whole barrage. Rend - allows some mild skew to really fuck you over.

Obviously they're not bad but they're not end of the world OP

>>52710427
its 80 USD

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How many cannons do I need to blast these meme ships out of the sky before they get near me?

I run 2 now, im thinking of going up to 4

I'm tempted to blow my tax return on a start collecting box. How are lizard men? They look neat

>>52710494
>tax return
>start collecting box

Did you make like $500 this year? I got enough on my return to buy 10 SC boxes

WHERE

ARE

THE

FUCKING

SKY

GROT

PIRATES

>>52710504
I am but a wee student and make very little

>>52710515
Fighting Sky Skaven.

>>52708490
>exact stats instead of relying on expected stats


statistically expected outcome is the peak of the probability density function. unless you want to see the range of standard deviations its not as helpful as you might think.

>>52710531
Fuck off Max

>>52710515
Calm the fuck down nig, we just barely got to the Memelords

We still have a few weeks of them, then probably a month or two of 40k, then new deathrattlers

>3 warp lightning cannons
>I can also start using my 3 stormfeinds with ratling chainguns

SHOOT EM OUT OF THE SKIES BOYS

>>52710493

Cannons aren't actually going to be your go to ship deleter, that'll be crossbows generally for the 5+ save ships or handgunners if they're dumb enough to get close

>>52709783
you attach them to a blimp and they are invulnerable/un-targetable until they bail out to intercept your melee trying to kill the blimp.

>>52710579
I dont know, i think 3-4 cannons, all rerolling misses with an engineer should take down a ship pretty easy

>>52709899
you should refer to the following
>>52709897
>it curbs powergaming

you might not think its a big deal in your casual games but it can make a really big difference to have a free 500+ points in a 2000 point game.

>>52710589
Kill the blimp.

>>52709911
summoning is still good because you can keep shit off the board meaning it wont die, and then if you need to cap an objective or block someone across the board you can summon a block of plague bearers or skeles or whatever to do it.

It is very important for positioning and can win you games. 80-120 points insnt a big deal to keep in reserve

>>52710657
>Kill the blimp
obviously

but the blimp delivers the terminators into melee before doing a 180 and providing supporting fire.

sometimes you kill the rhino before the marines get into position and sometimes you don't but in almost every case the marines are better off with the rhino than without one.

literally we now have 40k tactics bleeding into AOS.

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Should i keep my Mourngul off the table and just T1 summon him with a Tomb Blade?
Seems like Death needs all the help it can against range armies
Not to mention i'll have second one to potentially summon too

>>52710700
Yeah just drop it right in the middle of their shit

because of the rule of 1 remember to bring extra models in case you fail the summon and want to summon something else that turn

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Will they return or get an AoS equivalent?

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>wargames factory stopped making their skeletons

just fuck my shit up. $18 for 30 skeletons was too good for this world

>>52710719
>in case you fail the summon
That's why i mentioned the Sword relic, even tho i got the name wrong - it's 100% successful + immune to unbind summon once per game
I've got 400+ points free even with the Gul anyway in my list, in case i need obj holders or more damage

>Arkanaut Company kit only has 1 of each specialist gun

Fuck you, GW.

>>52710700
>Seems like Death needs all the help it can against range armies
Tomb Kings fly 22" across the board and have a guaranteed 6" charge

"Death" doesn't have a problem. The version you're using has a problem.

>>52710863
I love how tomb kings kick all kinds of ass.
I made my black knights into TK skele horsemen.
Flee and regrow is amazing

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>>52710863
>OOP models kick ass
>most units have minimum 200% markup
Only my zombie BT tax + necro are slow in my list

Death is by far the least supported GA

A few threads ago I was asking for some advice on running a Hinterlands campaign, and two anons mentioned using secondary objects for warbands to pursue in addition to the primary narrative objective.

Does anyone know of a table that can be used for this, or some suggestions on what the secondary objectives could be? Only one that comes to mind is taking down a specific enemy's hero.

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>>52710608
Each Cannon is 180 points
Master Engineer on steed?) is 80 points. I don't see how much one on foot is.

4x Cannon + 1x Master Engineer = 720+80 = 800 points

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>>52710910
You can 'counts as' you know....
If you got the spiritdudes from a mortis engine and made it a skypirate boat or something and said it was a necrosphinx id have no problem with it.
Or a skullapult, casket of souls etc. Its easy to convert shit.
Heres a 'bone giant'

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>>52710910
learn2play

>>52710960
>>52710987
>choosing a faction soley based on crunch
Nah, TKs are for now dust and proxying them just to get a gameplay advantage, without liking the lore, is lame
The only 3 TKs i ever liked were Nagash, Arkhan and Neferata - even Settra to a point

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reminder that tomb kings will return more grand than ever

>>52711160
yes Vince, we all know.

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>>52711160
not before bretonnia you dont

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>>52711160
>Only ever wanted to be a King
>Not a God
Lacking in ambition as always

Does Death have zombie Dwarfs or something?

>>52711389
They have Mannlet

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>>52711219
>Not wanting to be a Double King instead
You might as well just turn in that crown Naggy, you're barely using it anyway.

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>>52711219
>Wanting to be a bonezone god
>Never having skin on your face ever again
>Never having glorious golden locks ever again
>Never being most handsome ever again
Why even god-live?

>>52711160
What if we get tonb kings 2.0 where Setra managed to get his golden flesh and is laying claim on Death?

>>52711603
Depends, how would Tomb Kingsg Golden Mode be different from Storm Cast or tegular bonezone?

>>52711671
Play them as elite death that comes back. Give them reanimation protocols and the abiloty to debuff the enemy. An ability to ignore mortals wounds?

>>52706159
>Shadow Aelves will be the best
I'm holding out until they get a release, I'll be getting the light aelves and the wanders when they get junk as well.

>>52711824
Might as well get the shadow elves from silver tower for now

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/tenebrael-shard

>>52710837
You should have expected that. It's the norm.

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>>52711454
>>52711454
How'd I do?

>>52712256
It's shit. Filled with poor grammar and spelling.
so I love it

>>52712429
Than It fits right in with GW's rules
:^)

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>>52712256
Now I need to figure out how to make him.

>>52712486
For a more realistic approach:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Vampire-Counts-Cairn-Wraith

Remove the skeleton head, add googly eyes, add a bit of cloth, paint hands as gloves, gives knives.

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>>52701817
I did these a while back for a contest. Didn't win but had fun painting the scheme.

>>52712256
I kinda like him. I think you meant to say either -1 to Bravery OR +1 to all Battleshock tests for friendly units. His swords seem a little bit too OP for me (maybe make them 3+?), but in general fulfills the function of a hilarious herokiller.

>>52712746
Fuckin' blurry as shit man

You can't paint good minis and then take a terrible picture of them guy
That's like buying a sick ass dragster and then putting shitty wheels from Goodyear on it
I want to see your minis look good, I don't want to see your minis at their worst

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>>52712256
How'd I do?

>>52712853
Shitty camera, and I got home just now, 2am. Sorry I can't do any better short term.

>>52712858
These seem pretty balanced for a custom warscroll

>>52712889
Seconded.

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Post YFW when a motherfucking ironclad is the same price as a Vampire Lord on Zombie dragon.

Death got turboanalfucked once again

>>52712889
>>52712941
That's...really good to hear actually. Still needs to be playtested ofc, but I was worried that the in-n-out of the mists would be too bullshit.

Now I just have to tinker with the rest of them because I know for a fact several/most of the ones I made are OP as fuck. I tend to throw in as many abilities as I can think of, cause I figure it's always easier to take them out/reduce power later.

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>>52713030
Yeah I did the same thing.

I had really fucked up a Lord relictor, he got melted when stripping, so I swapped in a few replacement parts and now he looks decent, so I wanted to make a custom warscroll for him, until an anon pointed out that the warscroll I made him was exactly the same as if I took a regular lord celestant, slapped reckless and the double damage weapon on him. I was pleasantly surprised, and I've run him as that ever since.

>>52712978
The ironclad can't really be compared to a vamp on a dragon though. Most of its value is in being tough and able to transport your dorfs around where the vamp is all about being a killing machine.

>>52713236
Not him but still BTFO death faggot arguing it will be 600 points in the last general.

I need your help guys. Recently bought the Spire of Dawn set (super happy with it aside from some small annoyances), and it came with square and round bases. I wanted to put the models on the round bases, but on allmost every model, the "stick" underneath the feet that goes into the base is shorter than the slot on the round base.
Got any tips on how to fill out the gap?

How do battalions work? If I have let's say a Tallyband of Nurgle, can I still add units on the side like Blightkings, chaos spawns, etc. Or am I just limited to the battalion?

>>52713271
I don't get why anyone would think it'd be that expensive. I'm not sure it's even worth it at 440.

>>52713361
>Green stuff
>Put rocks and other small terrain features over the hole
>cover the hole with some grass

There are multiple ways that you can do to fix it

>>52712841
Your right; I meant to say that he gives YOUR units a penalty, because they know how fucking crazy the Double King is.

But, I think the Double King's lack of movement, incentive to keep him away from blobs, and awful save make him very, very squishy. Afterall, a unit of Freeguild gunners would reliably sweep him off the table in one turn of shooting, as he should be.

A side note: A neat little interpretation of the Royal Recker rule means that theoretically, the Double King could slip around the battlefield, charging from hero to hero, so long as he comes within 8" inches of another hero after the first charge and keeps making those charges. imagine this is the Double King going all ADD, and running from shiny thing to shiny thing.

>>52713366
A battalion is basically an upgrade for the units in your army. If you have the units required for a battalion you can include it in your army and declare which units belong to it.

>>52713401
Ok thanks!

>>52711919
Yeah, that's true. I get a feeling the Thunderer kit will only have one of each gun too.

Where the fuck are the slutty aelf girls?

>>52710543
Only on symmetrical densities

>>52713481
Yeah that will probably be the case. Though I'm thinking it might have at least a couple extra aethershot rifles, since they are described as being their signature weapon.

Does anyone have example lists I could look at to see what typical armies are capable of bringing? I don't know what points costs are common with Age of Sigmar, so just anything.

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>>52707570
>Freeguild are either badass volunteer warriors from Azyr with a mile-long hateboner for Chaos or hardened survivors from centuries of warfare against oppressive forces.

Freeguild are lame. They follow around the Stormcast like a shitty loser little brother and do all the stuff the Stormcast can't be arsed with. Their fluff is literally they stuffed so hard, Sigmar had to replace them with the Stormcast.

That's why they aren't on the AoS box art.

>>52712978
You're giving Death a bad rep. I'd argue that VLoZD is well costed. It's not very efficient by itself but with the right buffs it can become an indestructible blender. Besides, as >>52713236 said, you can't really compare it to what's basically a flying Land Raider.

>>52714080
This.

Freeguild are a bunch of fucking loser janitors who have their wives fucked by Lizardmen.

>>52713893
>Does anyone have example lists I could look at to see what typical armies are capable of bringing?
I'm not really sure what you're looking for, but here's a list I just threw together:
Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals

Leaders
Lord-Celestant On Dracoth (220)
- General
- Lightning Hammer & Thundershield
- Trait: Shielded by Faith - Stormcast Eternals
- Artefact: Mirrorshield
Lord-Castellant (100)
Lord-Relictor (80)
- Prayer: Divine Light
Knight-Heraldor (120)

Battleline
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers

Units
4 x Fulminators (480)
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (80)
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (80)
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents
3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (180)
3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (180)
3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (180)

Total: 2000/2000

>I don't know what points costs are common with Age of Sigmar, so just anything.
The typical points are 1000, 2000, and 2500. 2000 is the most common.

>>52714519
>You're giving Death a bad rep
they manage that by themselves pretty easily. even gw know they are the whine-est kids >>52691270

So I didn't play Warhammer for a long time and I decided to get back into it, can someone give me a rundown of what AoS is?

>>52710725

Hopefully Warlord Games will re-release them at some point.

It'll be as part of some shitty boxed game and at a jacked up price but it's better than nothing.

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>Store usually makes a post on Wednesday as to whether or not there will be an event this weekend, Thursday at the latest
>Don't see anything on Thursday so assume they must be holding off this weekend seeing as they're doing an all day play on Monday
>Log onto Facebook this morning
>Event posted 22 hours ago

>>52708444
so can u get 5 guys with mortars or i need to take diffrent weapon on each guy ? or just one

>>52714910
You can take 20 mortars in 1 group of 20 is you want.
Whenever there is 1 or 5 mortars per group of 5/sprue is a mystery tho

>>52714629
Sequel game to Warhammer Fantasy with much simplified rules and smaller armies in a brand new setting, with only some characters reappearing, mostly as gods.

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What are some well-costed beatstick generals?

>>52715105
not this one...

>>52712256
>2+
You know how rare is hitting on 2+ by stock?
I believe it's only Archaon and an handful of other models.
Not even the celestial prime.

You pretend to Hit and Wound on 2+ ?!
Your warscroll is shit.

Is the Plague claw a good ranged option for a Nurgle army?

>>52715002
if thats the case them they are not that bad 36' range its good like a small war machine

Anyone from Oz here? What's the best way to sell a couple boxes of sealed minis?

>>52715494
ebay

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>>52711509
Every time I see that mini, I want to buy it and play it.

He has some cool rules too.

Then, I remember, he's dead.

>>52715541
Do you have the same shit as me where you can't play unfluffy stuff?

>>52715556
Indeed I have

>>52708291

I actually really like this. What can I Counts As him as?

If I ran him as a Vampire Lord on foot do you think anyone would complain?

>>52715583
Yeah probably. Make him an Exile or something.

Hi guys. What's up with Age Of Sigmar and WHFB? Because FB disappeared from GeeDubs main page, and I've seen a lot of rage towards AoS. What happened?

>>52715603
Fantasy had an actual permanent End Times and the whole world went Kablooey.

Age of Sigmar is the continuation of that, in which the Winds of Magic form new worlds.

Check out the Pastebin in the OP.

>>52715603
They stopped supporting WHFB and are now supporting AoS.

>>52715600

Exiles don't have anyone who fits the bill of "sword dude" though, unless I'm forgetting a character from the legacy scrolls.

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We seen any Portrait shots of Kharadron characters yet?

>>52708892
what if I lose so many models it's not possible to regain coherence in my next move?

>>52715675

You lose the game and your models are sacrificed on the Pyre of Coherency

They have to keep moving towards each other, read the General's Handbook and/or the 4 page rules

>>52715619
So, now, FB is AoS? Okay

>>52715714
Yeah, different ruleset and shit though.

Rules are now 4 pages, plus some stuff for Matched play in a book called the General's Handbook.

>>52709501
It's Deathrattle you blind fool.

>>52715737
Don't talk to the trolls, Anon.

What can you guys tell me about humans in the setting? I am itching to get an Free People army, but I kinda feel GW either squat them or forget about the models, seeing they don't really fit the setting anymore.

Although the state troops would look sexy in an high fantasy colour pattern...

>>52715760
>seeing they don't really fit the setting anymore.

Lies, they fit in fine with the right paint scheme.

>>52715760
>What can you guys tell me about humans in the setting?

They're unimportant background elements.

>>52715760
They secure, protect and purify the regions that once belonged to Chaos that Sigmar retook. So far.

>>52715760
Read City of Secrets, it's the only real representation of freeguild so far

>>52716020
Summary?

>>52712858
>shearl finn
THAT'S NOT HOW FIMIR CASTES WORK

YOU CANNOT BE A FINN AND A SHEARL

IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE

Is AoS fluff really as bad as it seems?
It seems completely unrelateable, like it's impossible to make a good back story to your guys now. Its just a big mess of endless armies fighting over nothing in particular.

>>52716122
No, it's good.

>Its just a big mess of endless armies fighting over nothing in particular.

Have you actually read it, or just the memes?

>>52716122
The realms are functionally infinite so there's plenty of possible backstory for Your Dudes™.

>>52716122
>it's impossible to make a good back story to your guys now

I actually find it a lot easier to make up stuff for my dudes

Here are my dudes if you want to take a look.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DleJ7guokNXxnsKZX7hu-vjRa0Hw4edANjkYRwm0PDY/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to say what you guys think of it. And English isn't my first language so please excuse any grammatical errors

>>52716208
Hi Emil.

>>52716168
just the memes
pls inform me of the good stuff
i just felt sad yesterday cos i was reading about the attitudes of people in the empires towards skaven, and it seems like this kind of stuff about normal people just isnt really there in AoS

>>52716122
The "nothing in particular" is there for a reason. That reason being that you can now make not only whatever fluff you want for your dudes, but your own geography too. Your guys can be from a high fortress of dragon trainers in Ghur or a swamp in Ghyran or a pig farm in Shyish. This of course comes at the cost of the established parts of the setting feeling disjointed and there being no connection between any two official maps, or an established scale to compare them.

In my opinion, though, that doesn't matter, because now there's a lot more freedom for personal fluff than the Old World had.

>>52716208
ye thats p fun m8
the maps are cool too, better than the meme GW maps like the real of death map ive seen

>>52716246
it does kinda make most of the battles feel meaningless to me tho, like what are they even fighting over, besides just a boring good vs evil theme

>>52716222
Well for your regular dudes, you want to read City of Secrets. The first book with any real focus on them.

>>52716289
>what are they even fighting over

Depends on who they are and where they're from.

>>52716289
You have large swats of uncharted territories, full of barbarians, savages and monsters. Some are trying to find a place to live, some are searching for gold and treasures, some want to liberate the land from evil.

Basically you are playing in the exploration age in America instead of the middle age/renaissance in Europe.

>>52716222
That's because GW focused so hard early on on establishing the rules of and trying to ground their new setting and all the new factions for it (not to mention trying to sell the new models) that they didn't have the time to focus on that.
They do have a novel that focuses on the Freeguild in that a Freeguild Guard is the protagonist. That book is City of Secrets, and as you would probably be able to tell from the title and the book's cover, Tzeentchian cultists are the bad guys.
There's also a project Josh Reynolds is apparently working on, which has this whole Ocean's Eleven-style plot about a ragtag band of humans and dwarfs tasked by Grungni with stealing some uber-powerful weapons of Khorne. I think the book is called "The Eight Lamentations".

For other good stuff, you might want to read Call of Archaon. Helps give an idea what those overdetailed knight guys in the Everchosen are.
If you're not a Chaos boy, I've heard Warbeast is apparently a "fun romp".
If you like those new huge orcs with huge armour, Fury of Gork can give you a look at their personality.
If you want to know about the plague rats or the new-fluff lizardmen, Legends of the Age of Sigmar: Skaven Pestilens is good. (Sorry about using the whole unwieldy title if that sort of thing gets on your nerves. I just want you to know exactly which book I'm talking about.)
Lastly, the Hunt for Nagash, that other audiobook series and Lord of Undeath are a good trifecta for fans of the undead.

>Frigate and Admiral already sold out on the UK store

But how.

>>52716439
every single AoS release is sold out every time.
Same for my Local GW.
They ordered 20 Ironclad and by the time i got there they where sold out, for the 3 next shipment already.

you have ten seconds

to add a new army for Death that isn't undead shit

>>52716465
Ghoul men-at-arms with slings for FEC.

>>52716456
I meant 20 frigates***

>>52716456
The Arkanaut company is still in stock though, which I found somewhat amusing.

If the Thunderers are battleline, then the company will probably not be used much.

>>52716465
Anon.
Seriously.
It's a faction all about undead shit.
Besides, we've already got a faction for Death that aren't dead, namely the Flesh-Eater Courts.

>>52716465
But undead are the only reason to have Death.

>>52716456
>>52716439

Arkanauth sky company is 2-10 loaded frigate with Fuckhuge movement buff and autorepair buff.
so.. there you go

>>52716481
Didn't read well enough to notice you said army, so change this to filthy peasant milita from Shyish that serve as armies of cannon fodder for vampires.

>>52715125
No? Not him, but I hoped to add this guy with a hammer to my bret force as a flying beatstick. Is it not worth 300?

>>52716486
idk man... for 120 points the arkanaut company look like the best deal of the book.
I wont be using much thunderers personally.
like, 10 max.

>>52716500
The hammer is why he costs 300, because it's fucking powerful on its own.
That said, he costs 300 points! You need to make sure you're getting your points worth out of this guy, anon. Is he the general?

>>52716500
He is worth it if you take the great hammer. But just add OP trebuchet

LIGHT AELVES WHEN

>>52716521
never. they are getting anal raped by their OVERLORDS.

Is there a use to the coven throne? Seems more expensive and less useful than a morțiș engine. Love the models on it mind

>>52715776
>they fit in fine with the right paint scheme.

This. I painted mine to look on par with stormcast, seeing that my dudes are basically setttlers from Azyrheim, trying to resettle conquered lands. Their metal armor golden and all fabrics blue. Be sure to not use the bits that make them look too weathered and you are good to go.

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>>52716465
A faction of animated armors and golems.

>>52716575
That's more Chaos.

Any ausfriends around? Best place to buy stuff from?

>>52716587
>ausfriend
Here.
>Best place to buy stuff from?
Can't help you there. I just buy from my local shop. It's not like I have a choice, considering I'm residing just southeast of bushfire-land.

>>52716607

I was hoping there'd be a good site to order from or something that was a lot cheaper than GW.

how are there websites that offer 25% off GW stuff?
do GW just give massive discounts to bulk orders or something?

>>52716632
Yes.

>>52716587
im in nz. Dont even pay 1/3 of the GW price. I odered everything on wayland games on my english PO box.
Literraly my whole group (12 people) only order like that

>>52716621
You can always try eBay or some local buy/sell/swap if you need to, but that carries its own risks and is pretty much always secondhand.

Us Ozlanders don't have much in the way of options for new stuff, really. Just take what opportunities you can find.
Good luck anon.

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Who /Death/ here?

>>52716632
GW sells to 50% of the retail price to independant stores.
anything above 50% is profit for the store

>>52716585
Depends on how you fluff them

>>52716673
If you want to avoid being undead then it's Chaos, baby.

Am I the only one who puts his Hero models on 32mm bases? My normal infantry has the normal 25mm ones, but Heros just look a lot better on the bigger ones.

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>>52713893
1 Chaos Lord mark of Slaanesh - 100
1 Chaos Sorcerer Lord mark of Slaanesh - 140
10 Warriors of Chaos mark of Slaanesh - 180
10 Warriors of Chaos mark of Slaanesh - 180
10 Daemonettes - 120
10 Daemonettes - 120
5 Chosen Mark of Slaanesh - 160

1000/1000

>>52716745
I did for skaven and death

>>52716515
With Relentless, he would be. More durable than a bret lord, and his ca gives +1 to charge and hit and 2 bravery. Bret lord has reroll charges for nobility within 15".

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>>52716500
>picking your dudes based on points and not coolness
Even if something is over costed 10%, who cares? if the rest of your army is efficient it is worth it. Its fun to play with the cool dudes

BUMP LIMIT REACHED. ABANDON THREAD

>>52716905
We don't make a new thread until it hits page 9.

>>52716544
Its looks cool, it can actually fight unlike a mortis engine, the spell is good.

>>52716732
Why shouldn't they be undead?
If they are made using necromancy, they are undead.

Maybe they are made using multiple souls bound together and "distilled" into pure essence.

Maybe they are made from souls stolen from heroes traveling to Sigmar.
Nagash can do that if he wanted, maybe some powerful Necromancer can do that, in secret.

Maybe they are memories of grief of forgotten warriors, made manifest with dark rituals and bound to those armors, like a twisted version of the Seraphon (and yes, that would make them Death Daemons, which is cool).

You could have some massive Stormcast/Chaos Warriors equivalent for Death, which is awesome.

>>52716904
He is on coolness factor. Who doesn't want a spoiled bret princeling on a fucking griffon?

>>52716930
>Why shouldn't they be undead?

Because you replied to a post specifically asking for a non undead Death faction.

>>52708344
Seriously they are fat naked red head midgets - but hey if you are the one person who's into it.

>>52716968
He said "undead shit".
I assumed he meant something that just doesn't look undeath.

Anyway, he can do that.
If Dark Elves are in Order, Death players can have some not-undead animated armors or other stuff.

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greatest megaboss

>>52716968
They could literally just be haunted suits of armour

>>52717024
Undead were not wanted as suggestions.

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Best undead ride horses and think they are brets.

>>52710863
Fuck off Ebaykings

>>52713893
Ghoul King on a Terrorgheist - 400
Ghoul King - 100
Varghulf Courtier - 160
Crypt Ghast Courtier - 80

9x Crypt Horrors - 420
30x Crypt Ghouls - 300
20x Crypt Ghouls - 200
20x Crypt Ghouls - 200

Battalion, Ghoul Patrol - 100

>>52717040
There better be someone else in that unit following them around with coconut halves.

>>52717100
Whatcha gunna do vs sum Skarbrand bro ??

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>>52716667

Got a sizable death force waiting to be painted up, only just decided on a scheme so today I'll try to get a bunch of models done.

Not sure how to build my army yet, it's basically just a mishmash of units and models my fiancée bought me because they looked cool.

>>52717131
Are you posting this to every list in every thread ?

>>52717131
get lubed and prepped obv

>>52716094
I DUNNO MAN I GOT IT FROM A FAN CODEX

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>>52717139
Allow me to assist:
>Take all non deathrattle units
>Throw that shit in the trash
>Buy more skeles
>Buy even more skeles
>All bones all the time

>>52708291
This would make one hell of a Slaaneshi Character

Stop trying to seduce me dark prince, my souls belongs to Nurgle!

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>>52708291
legs too skinny

>>52717193

Basically my plan, got 10 Black Knights and about 70 Skellingtons so far.

I've got a whole bunch of ghoul stuff from my fantasy days though so might as well paint it up though.

>>52717256

>though though

Ugh, kill me

>>52717256
Use the black knights as TK skeleington horsemen.

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>>52709846
>>52709879

yeah, its now a shitty deepstrike, including chance summons like advancing your chaos lord and using blood tithe. Its no longer even a summoning to make an unending wave of zombies (ie what necromancy actually is), its literally just deep strike that you have to spend your casting attempts on and then you actually have to pass the casting value as well. its retarded.

The best way to approach this is to just houserule this abomination and play without it, just like everyone houserules the shitty rules of one about extra attacks etc.


>>52709864
dont forget to fondle the balls when you go up and down the shaft

>>52710573
time to magnetize!

>>52710668
they cant cap objectives, because they need to be summoned 9 away from enemies and cant move, so they will get shot and charged and easily killed. maybe the nurgle ones can survive, but definitely not death ones. you also need to pass the casting roll and if you dont, you are fucked. and playing so many objectives there are free ones lying around is very rare.

>>52710721
they will absolutely milk them. Remember this? the book.

>>52710837
welcome to GW!

>>52710919
make an area map and fight over territories, put npc factions in it etc etc

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>>52713893
>Leader
Arkhan The Black Mortarch of Sacrament - 340
Necromancer - 120

>Battleline
10x Zombies - 60
10x Zombies - 60
10x Zombies - 60

>Behemoth
Mourngul - 400

>Other
2x Morghast Archai - 240
10x Hexwraiths - 320
Summoning Points - 400
--2000 points
>Unit Pool
10x GG
40x Zombies
2x Banshees
2x Harbingers
6x Hosts
1x Mourngul

>>52708579
Story time? Perhaps we can offer some suggestions after we know the current stage of your vampire fluff.

>>52717457
>dont forget to fondle the balls when you go up and down the shaft

Lol cause i suk GEE DUBYA cock, amirite?

Not an argument, bucko.

>>52717457
>That fag that answer to everyone

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So, here's your rerolls to hit. Castle up like a motherfucker.

>>52717621
kek.
Where da rest at