MTG COMPETITIVE MODERN GENERAL

>>52704867
first for you're a faggot

To the guy who was saying infinite mana doesn't win you the game, you're a stupid faggot desu

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>>52704867
Would cryptic serpent be a good angler replacement?

>>52704867
>>New living end tech
Why are people pushing this meme? None of these cards are good enough for living end except maybe the 7/7 wurm

>>52704935
>6 power instead of 5 not really that relevant
>Will almost never come down as early as angler
>Still costs 2 even when fully discounted
Probably not

>>52704926

It literally doesn't. if you have just those two cards on the board and no cards in hand, tell me what line wins the game for you.

>>52704926

Infinite mana with no payoff card to cast doesn't win you the game you idiot.

I can make a dude with 9999 power and toughness and it still won't win me the game if he can't hit my opponent and damage him in some way.

>>52704993
Your opponent just concedes out of respect, it's in the rules

>>52705003
Lmao

>>52704935
far less versatile so I doubt it

>>52704993
>>52704974
Duskwatch Recruiter in hand or ballista in hand or chord in hand. So like 10 cards out of your deck, all 10 of which are good cards with other uses. And I could think of more, but quite frankly if you get the combo out you win

If you run 4 summoner's pact, 4 chord, 4 e witness (for pact or chord that got discarded or countered), the odds of having the payoff seem pretty decent to me

>>52705033

I said "and no cards in hand", so by changing the terms you're conceding that infinite mana does not win you the game without a payoff, which may or may not be available.

A 2 card infinite mana combo is a 3 card win.

>>52705003

An opponent can go to infinite life with Melira Finks but I can still beat them if I loop a Mindslaver with Academy Ruins.

>>52705068
Yeah, infinite mana wins you the game, you're an autistic faggot and this deck will be tier 0 please suck my cock

>>52705130

why did you even post this?

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>>52704867
>Devoted Druid buyout edition

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>>52704936
This guy seems good.

>>52704935
IF it would have flying, then I would consider it.

But currently, no.

>>52704936
You're just wrong. Ifnir, the red beast and the black horror are all good

>>52705337

epic post, go and try and buy devoted druid on any site, I'll wait

>>52705033

Yes but you NEED the card in hand. If you don't have the payoff card in hand then you're effectively stuck with a crapload of mana and nothing to sink it in. Eternal Wave decks work because they stack all the extra mana produce on their lands and can loop the combo over and over until their wincon is met. You can make a bajillion mana but if you haven't go the payoff then you can't do shit.

Every other non-storm combo is a two card or less combo that wins or secures wins within those two cards.

Ad Nauseam+Angel's Grace or Phyrexian Unlife
Mindslaver+Academy Ruins
Crucible+Strip Mine
Cascade+Living End

All of these combos are two card combos that payoff when they resolve immediately. Your Vizier+Devoted Druid combo does NOT payoff when they resolve immediately.

>>52705046

At this point you're just playing a shitty Amulet Titan deck.

Rule #1 of deckbuilding and brewing, never make a worse version of an existing deck.

>>52705445
The demon is win more, after you resolve living end the game should be over

I hate people who play brain-dead decks like Living End. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Especially you, Ad Nauseum players.

>>52705512

>oh shit I have literally never played on either end of the living end matchup

>>52705524
you forgot Tron in your post

>>52705524

yeah, everyone should play kithkin tribal, the true patrician's deck, like myself. those faggy LE players are just gating it from t0

>>52705543
I have respect for any deck that plays both Mindslaver and Gifts Ungiven.
xG Karn slammers, on the other hand...

>>52705577
pfft 20 lord zombies is the new hot shit in modern

>>52705577
Yeah, you'd LOVE if everyone stopped playing your only bad matchup, wouldn't you?

Fucking Kithkin players.

Here's the list I'm working on right now.
Lands
4x Windswept Heath
3x Forest fetches
2x razorverge thicket
1x Gavony township
2x temple garden
1x ghost quarter
1x overgrown tomb
3x forest
1x plains
3x horizon canopy

Creatures

4x Noble Hierarch
4x devoted Druid
4x vizier of remedies
3x duskwatch recruiter
3x walking ballista
2x kitchen finks, might go to 3
2x voice of resurgence
2x renegade rallier
2x eternal witness
Just testing around the numbers of these guys for the moment but they're all great value and apply pressure
1x Scavenging ooze
1x fiend hunter
1x Rec sage
1x knight of the reliquary

Instants are the standard
4x coco
4x chord

Deck is great, oh and I also should add for the first month I play this I'm gonna sideboard a blood rite invoker to get around the stony silence fags will bring in after board. By the way you win if you cast duskwatch, and the you can draw into all your silver bullets to hit whatever they have that you need. This deck is real, and it's good.

>>52704936
Plenty of 1 mana cyclers, that not good enough? And alot of them are even better than the current staples.

>>52704867
For all you memers making that new combo, just run it in an AbzanMelira shell. Vizier is functionally the same, and the druid is basically a Wall of Roots.
You have the same ol' power of a tier 1-2 deck but your Wall of Roots and Melira happen to make infinite mana now!

>>52705657
doesnt work with melira.

>>52705657
Doesn't work with melira you stupid bitch

>>52705681
>>52705722
Not druid you dumb shits, seer+finks+newMelira, aka Vizier

Basically you can replace Meliras/Roots and have a functionally similar deck but with an additional combo.

>>52705657

Doesn't work with Melira you stupid bitch cunt ass

>>52705647
Forgot to add 1x spellskite

>>52705771
Nah, don't want to focus it too much on combos, like Twin, it focused a lot more on a tempo game like this deck will

>>52705775
Don't meme me, dickbreath fartstink. Eat a dog dick you silly cunt.

>>52705771
I'd still run 1-2 meliras just for redundancy and the infect blowout

>>52705834

rats, ive been got.

>>52705862
Didn't WotC already run the infect blowout a couple months ago?

>>52705647
If you're going to run knight you might want to throw a stomping ground for red and add Wold run since you can make infinite mana.

>>52705933
That's true as fuck senpai, doing that right now

>>52705647
>the deck can just draw into any card to take out the hate they bring in against you
Shit nigga

>>52705862
True about infect, but Ana/Vizier should be redundant enough. Druid instead of Roots, with a single Duskwatch, takes an existing powerful deck and adds another layer (imho looks better than the Spike/Thune or Safri/Zulaport people have been jamming)

Even if you insisted on still having Meliras, it only makes your Druid shittier.

>>52705512
You don't play living end do you

>>52706007
You're a faggot and the melira combo is dead this deck is strictly better

I'm probably going to replace Deadshot with the R cycler and Architects with the B cycler. Adjust mana base appropriately, probably add a Blood Crypt in place of an Overgrown Tomb.

Not going to play the 2 cycler Rare Demon because 2-mana cycling is no-go.

>>52706091
It's funny cause your deck is still shit and gay

>>52706109
t. Kithkin Main

>>52704867

>thinking people are buying out devoted druid

no, the scarcity on websites is to prevent the buyouts. the major sites are holding their stock and marking as out so they can sell higher once prices stabilize.

>>52705722
>>52705771
>>52705775
>>52705834
>>52706109
4chan at its finest.

>>52706041
>Creatures
>4x Noble Hierarch
>4x devoted Druid
>4x vizier of remedies
>3x duskwatch recruiter
>3x walking ballista
>2x kitchen finks, might go to 3
>2x voice of resurgence
>2x renegade rallier
>2x eternal witness
>Instants are the standard
>4x coco
>4x chord

Aside from the ballista, which IMO is shit compared to duskwatch as your meme enabler (especially in a Coco deck), it looks the same as Abzan familia.

>>52706157

>cocoing or chording into ballista

no, you chord into duskwatch so you draw into your ballista

>>52706109
It's not. Who cares anyway? I'm not poor. I can afford many decks. Why you so fucking mad about nothing?

>>52706152
No, this is nothing to joke about. This is not what 4chan is about. We'll call each other faggots and shit but to have unoriginal insults thrown around like we're playing CoD is fucking pathetic.

>>52706220
With infinite mana and recruiter you can win without Ballista. Ballista is a fine card and a great wincon in a deck producing infinite mana, but if you're playing Duskwatch already in order to find Ballista, you could find Seer instead (or alternatively just play every single creature in the entire deck)

>going this hard on a shitty meme combo

>>52706383
it didn't spike to 10 bucks for nothing and I'm pretty sure if a pro player like Sam Black says it's gonna break modern, that it isn't a meme combo.

>>52706355

How does dusk watch win with inf mana? Just cast your whole deck? Wouldn't that leave you vulnerable to board wipe? If you had a ballista or 2 victory would be completely assured

>>52706453
>it didn't spike to 10 bucks for nothing
Happens all the time. What is speculation?
>Sam Black has never been wrong
Get off his dick, boy

>>52704936

Some of the new cycling dudes in Living End are pretty decent as very few creatures in Living End decks before had evasion to swing through but now they can. Now this MAY warrant a slight change in the manabase as a result.

>>52706584

Do you think as foretold or expertise cards are viable with living end? Or is cascade still the best plan?

>>52705607

Not gonna lie I legitimately tried to build a BUG zombies deck in Modern with this and Aether Vial and CoCo. It was actually kinda slow and clunky but turns out that Diregraf Captain was really good as it made combat steps very awkward for the opponent..

>>52706616
just play bw for the new drain zombie and the basic white goodstuff

>>52706612

I personally subscribe to the school of thought that you shouldn't make a deck needlessly more complex than it already is. It's for that same reason why my Ad Nauseam deck doesn't play Spoils of the Vault, not that the card is bad but it is a more complex line to take in a deck that should be a very straightforward combo to win with.

Unless there's a very dedicated Modern Living End expert on this board(I am much more of an Elves and Ad Nauseam expert) I would think that Cascade is still the best plan because it's always 100% guaranteed to hit when you Cascade into it. I think if you were to use As Foretold it would just dilute the deckplan and strategy a bit too much. Mind you I think some of the Expertise cards may warrant some testing.

>>52706693

Mate I brewed that deck long ago as a laugh back when CoCo got printed since an abundant of CoCo decks showed up and other decks like Elves got better as a result of it.

I just thought "Why not just fill a deck with Zombie lords like the Merfolk decks do? There's a crapload in the Modern cardpool"

Turns out there's a real big difference between cmc 2 and cmc 3. But not gonna lie the deck was dumb fun.

So whats the new infinite mana combo? I'm kinda out of the loop.

>>52706737
yeah but I'm still kinda suspecting that there might be a functioning deck in there somewhere. there really are a fuckton of good zombies in the 1-3 cmc area

>>52706534
Assuming the deck is a stock Abzan Coco list (https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/611450#online something akin to this, give or take) 1-2 Duskwatch is all you need to win on the spot.

Vizier=Melira, Druid=Roots, and a Duskwatch to glue it all together.

Even with Redcap's non-green cost, you could dig until you find Witness for Chord to win on the spot.

Ballista is neat, and never really a dead card in hand, but if you have infinite mana and can draw every single creature it seems like a luxury card.

>>52706557
come on man... he just wants his show back and some health insurance...

>>52706768

Oh I see, didn't realize we were assuming the normal Abzan coco combo with sac outlet + redcap

>>52706109
>you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded

>>52705072
>Not resetting the game with Karn to bring him back down to 20 life

>>52706766

The problem is just that other decks do it better. Dredge and Living End are better at pulling shit out of the graveyard(technically both the GY and Exile zone for Living End) and Merfolk are just better at getting HUEG and disrupting gameplans. I mean there is a Zombies deck in Modern but it's mono Black and is somewhat of a devotion based deck.

Meanwhile I was playing Zombie Outlander in the sideboard for shits and giggles running the crazy elusive PROTECTION FROM GREEN so I could beat Abrupt Decay/Maelstrom Pulse and TARMOGOYF

>>52706850

What are you nuts? I'm playing U Tron, I want to go to time here.

>>52706859
true but is black THAT bad if you were to pull it up in a merfolk style list? spot removal and hand disruption should be able to make almost anything work

>>52706796
Admitedly though, since the combo doesn't produce black mana I could 100% see a Ballista in the list as a hedge. It does provide a lot immediacy to the win that seer+redcap might not have.
If there was a way to ensure that the infinite green mana + duskwatch combo could play out the seer and redcap I would stand by my point that ballista is shit, but I think having one is probably better than having a shitty manafilter in many cases. Ballista is an alright guy.

>>52706946

The Mono Black Zombies deck that's floating around Modern actually seems pretty solid because you can literally finish off with Gary outside of the combat steps and you have access to quality removal and hand disruption. Gary also drains people through Leyline of Sanctity You also probably don't have to mulligan much either and probably get to also play quality dudes like Phyrexian Obliterator in the sideboard.

>>52707039
got the list?

>>52706875
Hello U Tron player, I'm considering joining your ranks.
I'd like to know how often do your matches go to time, and how much butthurt does the deck wring out of your opponents?

>>52706984
I feel like you'd want to run 2 in case one you might play to pop a mana fork gets exiled just to be safe

>>52707095
If you're new to U Tron you will go to time more often than you like. You need to get a feel for lines of play

>>52707092

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-mono-black-zombies#paper
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/deck-of-the-day-zombies-modern/

Same list but one has an article on the deck.

>>52707126
that looks pretty fucking solid

>>52707095

If they're not playing Goblin Guide and Merfolk then you will probably go to time more often than you think. You need to put the reps in with the deck and know your lines of play.

That being said you can beat any deck with Mindslaver+Academy Ruins combo lock if you set it up.

With that also being said Gaddock Teeg will fucking rape you hard. Better rev up those Spatial Contortion's.

>>52707101
Alternatively, you could run that new green mythic 4cmc vizier instead of the Ballistas in order to be able to play out Seer+Redcap. Both options seem good depending on what goes on.

I personally would opt for Vizier of the Menagerie over Ballista for flavor reasons

>autism continues with this shit combo

Put a singleton craterhoof in this infinite meme deck. I want him to get loved

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>>52707247
>people are discussing potential modern decks instead of just crying about current ones

>>52707151

It plays pretty straight forward and plays lot of value dudes that are really resistant to most forms of spot removal outside of Path. I just love the use of Relentless Dead because I used to play that in Standard before it became a 2 deck format just to loop back a Diregraf Colossus and trigger Prized Amalgams and have huge dudes and zombie tokens on the board again after board wipes.

>>52707247
>meme combo
Literally the best combo in modern now, it's a 2 card combo that doesn't fold to grave hate and costs 4, both of which pieces can be hit off coco

>>52707313
>dies to shock
xD

>>52707331
Renegade rallier :^)

>>52707331
>Shock becomes modern playable because of this combo
SHOCK BUYOUT

>>52707342
>stubborn denial

>>52704867
>New infinite mana combo
infinite mana combo is always existed in modern with bloomtender and freed from the real.
>"oh boy, hope I get some luck with my opening hand, and I hope my opponent mulligan to 4"
in a format dominated by cheap super-efficient removal (lightning bolt, path to exile, fatal push ecc. ecc.) and with 1mana discard spell you must be really stupid if you think that your opponent will just watch you assembling your mambo-jambo combo.

>>52707313
>>52707331
So is pilapoopy+architech.
I swear by AbzanCoco as the home for this meme, the combo pieces do double duty in many regards and Finks beats are an acceptable plan B.

>>52707342
still gets rekt by Anger of the Gods :^)

>>52707331

Mate it fucking dies to GUT SHOT.

>>52707413
but gut shot doesn't meme as well because it's fringe playable already

>>52707394
Except that costs 6 mana

>>52707432

Yeah but Gut Shot is a better card since it's good against mana dorks, manlands and Frank Lepore.

WHAT'S FUCKING COMBOOOO

>>52707464
It's actually an amazing card in DSJ but no one's realised it yet. Half of the time they Bolt themselves. Gut Shotting yourself is like Bolting yourself, except it doesn't cost mana.

>>52707487
bolt still has the ability to kill stuff. 1 damage with gutshot not so much

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>>52707487

That's not a bad idea but it doesn't have the Tribal subtype like Tarfire does.

>>52707487
Thats actually kinda sweet tech.
>grixis DS
>gutshot snap gutshot
Have a (You), friend.

>>52707487
...wouldn't mutagenic growth almost be better since it pumps for 4?

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>>52707464
>and Frank Lepore

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A friend was inspired by Glorious End and built this jank. Thoughts?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sundial-skred/

>>52707745
>sundial skred
I'm not even going to look

>>52707745
"friend"
you can drop the pretenses anon we were going to call you retarded eitherway

>>52707791
Yes I'm retarded but I figured I should give credit where it's due.

>>52707745
Whacky but I won't judge.

What's Kiki there for without any Combat Celebrant for infinite? You can't have a meme deck that doesn't "go off", at that point it's hardly even a meme.

>>52707882
Yea man. Props to friend. I'll remember to congratulate them.

>It's another "THE COMBO SUCKS IT DIES TO REMOVAL"
Fucking retards always spew this shit until it hits them hard.

This will break modern. We need bans, and soon.

>>52707900
And it's true every time you fucking moron.

>>52707896
woops forgot conscripts. still, needs more amonket memes if we're gonna take this memelist to the next level

>>52707928
Are you fucking retarded? Have you only played this game for one fucking month?

Fucking retard cuck faggot, open your eyes.

>>52707956
Look how many swears you know. Aren't you just adorable!

>>52707956
>Fucking retard cuck faggot,
Holy shit. Underage pls fucking go

>>52707969
>>52707984
>dodging the point
Wow, looks like I won another argument on the internet. Honestly not surprising at this point. Only dumbfucks on this site.

>>52708007
What point? You're just screaming cuck and making baseless arguments
>removal can't kill my combo because reasons!!

>>52708007
Give me one 3+ card combo in modern where the pieces do nothing on their own

>>52708021
>removal will ALWAYS remove my combo
>my opponent will ALWAYS have an answer
Fuck. Off.

>>52708029
>3+
Fuck off retard.

>>52708045
This is modern. Removal and discard are king. But no you're right, that's why the format is dominated by vulnerable creature combos
>my opponent will never have any answers
Do you now see how stupid you are?

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I think Midnight Gond is a better combo and it's not viable.

>>52708045
Okay then. Keep tapping that elf for your siccccccc infinite mana combo. I'll call the judge for slow play after you did nothing with it after 20 minutes

>>52708084
>I think Midnight Gond is a better combo
You're kinda dumb then

>>52708081
>>52708096
I'm so fucking mad right now I'm shaking. Just stop being fucking stupid.

>>52708109
Still waiting for one point from you're autistic ass

>people realistically don't think a 4 mana infinite mana combo will dominate modern
Holy shot and they said tg was bad at magic

>>52708128
>you're
Yeah, sorry, I don't respond to retards.

>>52708145
>he's still going

>>52708106
>wins on the spot if left unanswered
>2 cards only
>even less vulnerable
You're dumb.

>>52708145
Just look at what happened to thop sword

>>52708151
Oh no. Autocorrect saved you this time. Next time you'll need a real argument though.
>I d...do..don't re..respond to phone p..p..posters

>>52708084

That's mostly due to the colours its in and the speed of the combo. However at least if you do assemble that combo that it's pretty much a win condition within those two cards so it's actually an acceptable combo.

>>52708157
It's useless by itself, doesn't even win without haste or waiting a turn and us very easy to just kill. Here's your reply

>>52708145
Dominate modern? No, it's still answered with removal. I think it'll push Abzan a lot though.
Druid doesn't have haste iirc, it's not that oppressive, just A) very quick B) very low opportunity cost and C) uses cards that aren't terrible alone.

>>52708045

If your opponents aren't retards yes they will generally have removal or answers for your creature based combo early. This is Modern where creature removal and discard spells are abundantly played.

>>52706355

>instead of [creature that wins the game] you can find [creature that does not win the game] or [play other strategy]

look, ballista comes in as a 10000/10000 and pings for their entire life total at instant speed. I literally cannot fathom why you want anything else. Even playing your entire deck, they don't have haste.

>>52708284
Deflecting palm.

>>52708214
And that makes it better than the infinite mana combo you posted OP.
>cant' win by itself
>both cards are terrible alone

>>52708331

Congrats, you bounced one damage back at me. You got 19 more?

Read walking ballista before you embarrass yourself further

Turn 3 infinite mana is going to fuck some shit up against decks that aren't very interactive whether you like it or not.
The question is how consistent it's going to be. I hope not very.

I went through my decks. In most of them, I have some 12+ answers to a creature in the form of discard or removal.

In all seriousness, it is a strong statistical likelihood that I have an answer for Grizzly Bears, especially when the combo needs 2-bears with no redundancy and one-kill-card to kill me and I only need 1 of my answers to disrupt.

It's just a worse Cheerios, which wasn't that good to begin with, and that deck only needs one Grizzly Bear with 8 copies of redundancy and has some 20+ redundant cards to go off with.

You'll never get infinite mana against the meta. The meta is either too fast or too disruptive.

>>52708405
It is really, really consistent going off turn 3 on average and literally every time turn 4 with a very reliable beat down backup

>>52708419
Just let melira chord never gets the combo right?

>>52708419

I think the idea is that the deck can also run redundancy like renegade rallier and e wit and strong topdecks like coco to combat grindier and more disruptive strategies. If you have rallier in hand, you can go off t3 through inquisition, so that's gotta mean something.

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>>52708284
>have duskwatch and ballista in deck
>do combo, shoot ballista
That does work.
>have duskwatch in deck
>do combo, do other game winning thing
Also works.

I would personally rather have a Menagerie in the deck than a Ballista though. Without Redcap, you'd certainly need Ballista. With Redcap, you can arguably forgo both Ballista and Menagerie, although if you wanted an immediate kill you'd have to use either.

>>52708443
Melira Chord only played two singleton dogshit cards: Melira and a sac-outlet. Both these cards are actually WORSE than both Melira and Viscera Seer. And the win conditions were playable alone: Finks and Redcap

Why the fuck would I want to play worse cards when the stronger option already exists?

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I think the combo can find a home somewhere, but it literally needs 8 new cards to be forced in somewhere.

Jund can stop it with 12 cards. It might work against Affinity or Infect or even tron. But I dont' know... It also gets stopped by the new Harsh Mentor

Im so happy there's a new meme combo in Modern, this thread hasn't been a shitpost fest since Sram got spoiled.

>>52708488
>if you wanted an immediate kill
is there any reason to want otherwise? anything else, considering you have to jump through the exact same hoops, is objectively worse.

>>52708503

No it doesn't, devoted druid is a mana ability.

>>52708495
>>redcap is playable alone
How is melira and deer much better than a 2/1 that saves finks and a mana fork? Can't wait to add your reply to the screen cap when this deck wins a scg tour

>>52708603
Untap ability?

First and only for burnbears

4x Path to Exile
4x Aether Vial
2x Avalanche Riders
3x Blade Splicer
3x Eidolon of the Great Revel
3x Flickerwisp
3x Harsh Mentor
1x Kitchen Finks
3x Leonin Arbiter
2x Magus of the Moon
1x Selfless Spirit
3x Simian Spirit Guide
2x Spellskite
1x Spirit of the Labyrinth
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Zo-Zu the Punisher

4x Ghost Quarter
4x Inspiring Vantage
1x Mountain
1x Needle Spires
5x Plains
4x Sacred Foundry

>>52708631
>19 lands
You need at least 23 for any D&T deck.

>>52708603
Jesus fucking Christ Reddit.

>>52708657
>>52708626

lmfao whoops

I was getting it mixed up with wall of roots

>>52708572
Assuming your deck already has a Redcap in it, there are no additional hoops to jump through. You either Duskwatch for Ballista, or Duskwatch for Menagerie. Both win the game.
Both are arguably good cards outside of being combo pieces.

If you aren't playing an Abzan Seer/Redcap shell, I concede that yes, Ballista is good in the deck.
If you are, either card will fill the roll, it merely depends on what sort of utility you want your combo pieces to do.

>>52708700

>menagerie

you keep repeating this, are you talking about vizier? please enlighten me as to how it wins the game

>>52708649
Umm I think you don't. That's why you play aether vial.

>>52705512
You have literally never played living end before have you?

The game isn't over after you cascade, it's just fucking beginning. The number of decks that can survive and stabilize after the initial draft-common siege is staggering. Anything that gives you a bigger advantage after going off is better. Good bye vanilla spider, hello cycle demon my new best friend

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>>52708711
Infinite green mana with the meme combo to Chord/Coco for Duskwatch.
Duskwatch draws every creature in the deck. From here you either play Ballista for a billion, or play RedcapSeer for a billion. The problem with the latter is that it costs black mana, hence why based blizzards printed vizier.

>>52708790

oh, you use vizier so you can still use redcap because it lets you cast with any color.

I'm still gonna stick with ballista because it takes less spaces in the deck for the same result.

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>>52708790
>this whole thread

Good thing I preordered 8 of best nigga right here.

>>52708828
Exactly which card does this replace in burn?

>>52708773
Are you going to be playing sandwurm?

>>52708847
Burn has flex slots. Usually about 5- 6 in the main. Sideboard tends to be pretty flexible. I'm gonna try 3 in the 75 to see how it works. If this new combo takes off, then 4 in the 75 will shut it down pretty hard, or at least enough to win.

"please don't kill devoted druid" the combo

>>52708773
Personal opinion, but I feel like you should have cut the spiders a while ago.

2-mana to cycle is too high. I'll concede the Demon is a pretty good card but at best you might play two of the demon.

Having 3-guys in the yard by T3 is always going to be better than having 2.

>>52708790

>having to risk dead cards before your combo
>I'll cast this and cast this but first I gotta cast this

Sorry anon, ballista guy has the right idea. your "alternate routes" take a lot more risks in deckbuilding, and vizier is just too expensive if you don't have the combo. Ballista can at least ping a bird on t2 and e wit brings it back to hand after a coco.

>>52708847
The entire sideboard

>>52708880
Not him but I've won many games because the spiders are huge

>>52708812
Again this is assuming a stock Abzan Company list already containing Redcap/Seer, making Ballista and Vizier interchangable. Without Redcap/Seer Ballista is 100% the way to go.

>>52708870
Do you care to name said cards?

Look, I'll fast forward. If you name spells you are only making the deck weaker against removal, which is the current argument against Nacatl, which is superior to this thing. If you name creatures you can't name a creature that you'd replace with this thing.

So that leaves the sideboard. I'd love to know which sideboard card you'd replace with this card.

Card is not good.

>>52708850
Nah, I don't want that many 2 mana cyclers. Just going to replace jungle weavers with the demon and experiment with the new 1 mana cycle options. I need to figure out how much my mana base needs to change before anything too dramatic.

>>52708895
You've won more games because you had another body. That's why people play crap like Architects over the spiders.

You will never play a 2-mana cycler over a 1-mana cycler.

>>52708910
>which is the current argument against Nacatl, which is superior to this thing

How the fuck is thins anything like Nacatl? Nacatl is a beater that gets damage in. Memetor just hard shuts off Coco decks and Ravager.

The people that actually think Memetor is going to be used for incremental damage in Modern are playing the wrong format. Modern doesn't have the density of activated abilities to even make it good, let alone maindeckable.

It's a hard hate card, like every good card in Modern.

>>52708941
>3/3 is the same as 5/6 bro

>>52708951
NAME ME CARDS THIS CARD REPLACES

YOUR FUCKING THEORY CRAFTING IS IRRELEVANT UNTIL YOU NAME CUTS

>>52708886
Technically chaining cards doesnt matter as much when the initial combo dies to gutshot. It's literally 1 Ballista or 1 Vizier, pick your poison.
Personally I think Vizier is better for the deck in a vaccuum, but Ballista is a fine card in a vaccuum as well.

Assuming they didnt print this new memecombo, I could see a miser Menagerie in an Abzan Company deck, something I'm hesitant to say about Ballista (regardless of Ballista being a vintagelevel card)

>>52708880
Basically my opinion is the same as >>52708895
the spider being retarded big has won me a lot of games. He either eats goyf or they bounce off of each other (well the DSJ goyf if usually bigger but that's a recent development) and sometimes opponents will trade way too many resources to try and deal with it. Like going all in on a ravager to block it then getting btfo by beast within

>>52708984
You could blind pull out any 4 cards from Burn's sideboard and put 4 of these in for a net improvement. It's not like Burn's sideboard is a tightly tuned machine.

>>52708984
>>52708910

You seem mad that people want to try new cards. Why are you so mad?

Look, Burn lists have been moving away from Nacatl, there's 4 slots there. You run 3- 4 Searing Blaze, so there's an extra slot if you run 3. Already there's 3 or so flex slots in the mainboard that's filled with any number of spells, so another 3 slots.

Huh, there's 8 flex slots right there. One more if you run 19 lands instead of 20.

Your sideboard is as flexible as any, and since this can come in against affinity, you can cut one of your 5 or so pieces of affinity hate. My point is there's plenty of space to play around with. You're just too focused on netdecks and forget that yoy need to look outside your tiny box once in a while.

So, a "leak" I saw on IRC for a card in hours

>UB
>counter target spell unless it's controller pays (2) and discards a card
>cycling U
>when you cycle [card] scry 2

Counterspell or uncounterable preordain smells like bullshit, but would it be modern playable?

>>52709169
No way that's real.
If Mana Leak is playable in UB or Grixis then that sure will be.

>>52709169

custom card thread is
>>>>>>>>>
that way

>>52709169
That card is insane. Instant 4 of in any UB deck, possibly playable in blue decks without black just because of instant speed preordain.

I highly doubt that card is real, but I could maybe see it because the cycling ability isn't a spell so it won't help Storm that much.

>>52709322
let's be honest, the only way that card even remotely gets printed in today's babby standard formats is either at mythic, which just wouldn't happen or if it instead was something closer to UBR mana cost with a similar cycling cost

>>52709322
>print busted shit at mythic
>memedern players spike the fuck out of the price
>hours sales go through the roof and make up for amonkek's flop
>two months later
>"looks like combo and control are taking more than 20% of the meta, better ban [new card] and [card only used in storm] for balance!"

Tbh I could see it happening

Can anyone give me a valid reason for why pod should stay banned? I understand that it was the only deck worth running back in the day but there's plenty of hate now.

I just want a good toolbox deck in modern

>>52709563
Well, one legitimate reason would be that it limits future creature design. As in, you would always have to think about how good this creature would be in Pod, and then possibly scale it back because of that. Thereby, making a powerful and interesting creature worse and less interesting. I know that WotC has stated on multiple occasions that they dont test for Modern, but they would think about it.

Another reason could be it severely limits deck building, but in a more legitimate way than say, Twin. With every brew you come up with, yoyd have to ask yourself, "Is this better with Pod?" We'd have literally all versions and flavors of pod. Naya pod, Jund pod, Junk Pod, Bant Pod, Esper Pod, 4c/5c pod, every two color pie. It would (read, might) be Pod: the Poddening.

>>52709563
Unban Pod, Unban Twin, Unban 12 Post

>>52709647

>one legitimate reason would be that it limits future creature design

Maybe they would finally print some decent fucking spells then. It sounds hypocritical, but I'm so tired of all value being placed on creatures. Legacy is a nice escape, but the scene is dead and combo is still complete degeneracy as always.

What would fix pod? Would it have to be a creature instead of an artifact? No phyrexian mana?

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>>52709850
depletion counters

>>52709850
Pod is too flexible thanks to phyrexian mana and reusable on top of that. Tthey already tried fixing it pod with eldritch evolution and didn't work

There has to be a middle point between total format warping and limiting design and unplayability

>>52709850
>print decent fucking spells

Well, it has been said that thanks to Hasbro mandate, Hour of Devestation will start the swing in favor of spells, so you can take solace innthat, I guess.

>>52709932
>thanks to Hasbro mandate, Hour of Devestation will start the swing in favor of spells
Praise hasbro, the god of magic has come to save us.

>>52709932
>Hasbro mandate

waht

Source?

>>52709169
Why must you tease me

I'm going to get flamed for this, but I was thinking a toned down Survival of the Fittest that's an artifact (subject to more hate) would be a nice balance. Could also have Legendary for more balance, but not necessary.

Another GBx Toy
1GB Artifact

1G, Tap - Exile target creature you control. Search your library for a creature card with converted mana cost equal to 1 plus exiled creature's converted mana cost, put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. Use only as a sorcery.

Lower mana cost, but no phyrexian mana and no chance of graveyard recursion. Too weak/cute?

>>52710002
MaRo said that the shift was way too much on threats for a long time, and that the answers printed were bad. So now there will, hopefully, be a shift back to a balance

Personally I think most people in R&D need to be fired and the whole thing needs to be started anew but that's just me

>>52710090

Disregard the Survival part, I was thinking of too many things at once.

>>52710004
The satisfaction I receive from your crushed hopes and overwhelming disappointment is unimaginable.

>>52710153
Yes. I know that feeling. It's why I play control.

>>52709932
>Hasbro mandate
>WotC fucking up so hard the great corporate overlords are stepping in to make them get their shit together
This is a new low for Wizards, I think

>>52710108
They just reprinted cancel. We're not getting any answers.

>>52710110
I'll disregard the whole post, custom card autist

>>52710188
>Hour of Devastation will start the swing in favor of spells

>>52710188
>I know nothing of set design

>>52710108
I hope it's a case of them having little time and they hastily make some spells better so we get a bunch of broken shit

>>52710002
>>52710187
Supposedly, it came sometime late 2015/ early 2016. Too late to drastically change Amonkehts development, but early enough for Hour of Devestation (where also the Gatewatch will start having a less noticeable impact on the cards themselves)

Unfortunately, I can't find a source just yet, so you can take this with a grain of salt. I'm just repeating from the rumor mill, but I'll keep looking for a source.

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>>52710172

Hello fellow controlbro. What was the game that convinced you to learn the most patrician archetype? For me it was when I got swung at for 28 damage by some goblins cuck and I didn't have anything to stop it. Now I just can't get satisfaction unless I value my opponent out in legacy with Shardless BUG or grind my opponent out with grixis in modern.

It's a shame we're hated so much

>>52710210

I may be autistic, but I don't usually make up custom cards. I'm just a guy that wants a good toolbox deck in modern that doesn't rely on jank combos or RNG company to win the game.

>>52710374
>i just want a deck that can answer everything consistently and without draw back

>>52706453
>Sam Black says it's gonna break modern

sauce?

>>52710409
sam black's asshole

>>52710374
>I'm just a guy that wants a good toolbox deck in modern that doesn't rely on jank combos or RNG company to win the game.
Swap a couple cards from a stock Esper Draw-Go list and make Esper Teachings.

>>52710398

Do you know what general you're in? I don't get enjoyment from tier 3 shitbrews or gimping myself, clearly you can't say the same. What you just described is what every competitive deck tries to do, and if blue was worth anything in modern it would be in my favorite colors. Of course I would fucking want it.

>>52710466
tutoring is one of the most powerful things you can do in the game and cards like that only get better as more creatures get printed. birthing pod was banned for a reason, anon.

>>52710554

If phyrexian mana wasn't in the picture pod would not have been nearly as broken as it was. Tutoring in the sense of Imperial Seal or Demonic is broken, conditional tutoring is not and can be answered much easier.

>>52710466
yeah every t1 deck has an answer to everything without any draw back and never fails to accomplish this task, everything else is literally t3 jank trash and anyone who plays it is garbage lmao

Why would Druid Remedies which only needs 2 creatures on board and 1 in hand for 4 total mana be any weaker in any way than melira pod which requires 3 creatures on board for 7 mana that dies to all the hate Druid does except also grave hate?

>>52710636

Have a (You) for your awesome reading comprehension.

>>52709647
I agree with your assessment.

Right now though, I'd much rather deal with Magic: The Poddening than Modern: Bolt Your Face.

Like, you go to enough FNMs where you sit down and play against burn two or three times win or lose and really feel like I wasted my Friday. That's how it kinda feels at FNM you're in a lottery for a good night, there's no guarantee of a good night anymore. I kinda just don't go, it's more fun to try a new restaurant and have a bad albeit new experience than have a couple "good burn games". And for what it matters I played T1 competitive decks.

There was usually some amount of decision making that went on against Pod. It was certainly more decision making than playing against Burn. I look back on my FNMs where I played Burn and I felt fucking dirty about it just scoring what felt like essentially free wins and possibly putting someone down. I'd be fine with Sligh/Zoo but it's not Sligh, it's Burn.

The only reason why I disapprove of the recent change to the CMC of Split Cards is that it effectively kicked several low-tier entertaining Modern decks out. I had Mono-Red Bird-Brain built and now they shut it down and for what value?

>>52710431

Do you have an updated list? I don't see any advantage in playing a 4 cost tutor when I could play the safer draw-go version. With teachings you don't have very much redundancy, which control needs to survive more than 3 turns.

I'm willing to give it a shot if you can find me a list that doesn't look like hot garbage.

>>52710736
death's shadow is the most played deck and it doesn't even run pod, followed by dredge, affinity and tron, and guess what? non of them run bolt. your meta is skewed towards burn thats it. we've had 16 people at my lgs all playing different decks. its beautiful

>>52710736
Your problem with Burn sounds like a local one. At my shop, for instance, it's about 45% Tron. Perhaps you can try a new locale?

>>52710932
>dredge
In what fucking universe do you live in anon? hardly anyone plays dredge anymore, its barely 2% of the meta.

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I just got back from my FNM and someone was trying to play Sol Ring. I don't know what to say. I'm baffled by how casual he must have been to not realize it's not legal in this format. I almost feel bad for calling the judge on the guy.

>>52710971
You know the meta sites don't have info for fnm. Right? You know that?

>>52711069
No shit they don't, that doesn't mean people are retarded enough to keep playing a neutered deck. I haven't seen a single dredge player since the ban and I go to FNM every week and regularly go to events with +100 players. Maybe the people who o to your store are just retarded?

>>52710932
>my meta doesn't have a problem therefore it's not a problem
Yeah, doesn't help me or anybody else for that matter if your place is nice and diversified. In order to encourage new players to play guess what they start with, budget burn or some other uninteractive deck. So long as the deck exists, the problem has the potential to exist. This is Wizards' problem; not ours. They've made the format's diverse metagame utterly inaccessible and it's not exactly wise to tell new players to get into the habit of using the Chinaman when you want your store to stay open.

>>52710957
Can't go elsewhere. It's hard enough getting to FNM on time as is. Can't drive 20-40 minutes to get to the next place without being late and being "that guy" who always shows up late and people talk shit about you farming byes behind your back.

Fuck Magic has become depressing. If it was just one or two issues there'd be no problem. But it's a fucking mountain of problems now one right after another.

>>52711145
Nah mate, you're the retard.

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>>52711061
>bookstore does a super casual standard event
>poor girl has old simic cards she thought were cool in her deck
>finish the game anyway
>by swinging with pummeler for 40 or so

>>52711061
I'm always baffled when people can't get their legalities straight. Stuff like that has happened to me on more than one occasion.

>UB control player tries to cast Brainstorm
>A casual- tier UW Heroic player had Swords to Plowshares in his deck.

My personal favorite was a guy with some WB Reaninator brew who actually had 4 Reccuring Nightmare. We all had such a good laugh that it became an inside joke that whenever someone wants to brew, someone else suggests Reccuring Nightmare.

>>52711156
play a deck that doesn't lose to burn. that simple. what are you playing? tron? if then you have no reason to bitch

>>52711061
What deck was he playing

>>52710786
If I was going to play Teachings right now, I'd do something like this:
https://pastebin.com/t9BHV1wH

If you're feeling spicy you could swap the numbers of Pushes and Paths, swap Ghost Quarter for Tec Edge and then run a full set of Mana Leak or Rune Snag as your two mana counter, but I feel like that really leaves you vulnerable to Eldrazi and Tron.

>>52711246
He's right though. Modern is filled to the brim with decks that are thoughtless and boring to play with/against.
The format (and MTG) in general just looks like it's going to keep getting worse and worse too.

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>>52710932
>and guess what? non of them run bolt.
death's shadow certainly will run bolt and affinity often runs +/- bolt so I don't know what you're on about

>>52711321
Then why are you here? Why not leave the hobby behind you and find something you think is better? No one is stopping you.

>>52711181
I literally just came home from a 30 man FNM about 4 hours ago and there wasn't a single fucking dredge player
Dredge being the second most common deck is a phenomenon completely unique to your meta, which evidently must be made up of very stubborn retards. In REALITY the second most common deck in modern is Bant Eldrazi, followed up by RDW decks in third. You don't need deckstat sites to know this just go to any kind of Comp REL event and just fucking watch, it'll be very evident

>>52711351
Grixis shadow runs Bolt, but most Jund lists run tarfire, because Delirium and goyf.

>>52711301
It was a janky red deck that seems to have been assembled from one of those 30-card starter decks stores give to newbies and a bunch of Theros block stuff he had lying around; it had copies of Lightning Strike, Shivan Dragon, a couple tribute creatures, and a bunch of Phoenixes.

I was on G/B Tron. It was a massacre. The rest of his matches were just as bad. I think I'll bring some of my RDW staples next week in case he wants them.

>>52711351
death shadow runs tarfire

>>52711321
>they are not control decks
>must be thoughtless and boring to play with/against

fuck this meme

just go away. the community doesn't need more desolators

>>52711363
Because I've been playing Magic for ages and am pretty good at it. The future just looks so dismal and most things I liked about the game have been phased out in a desperate push to get a bigger market share via little Timmy while keeping speculators happy.
Also no stores near me run any Legacy events--you want me to play Standard or fucking EDH?

>>52711433
>please keep shoveling feces into my mouth WotC, I'll enjoy the taste eventually
Were you people just not around when the game was actually good?

>>52711383
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper

>>52711433
What is Ironic about that is that most control decks are very boring to play against

>>52711483
Kill yourself cuck boy
Just play fucking Jund. It might as well be control with how much fucking removal it plays.

>>52711483
>>52711440
play legacy on mtgo. just fuck off

>>52711503
Not the same anon but mtggoldfish only reflects decks that are placing at tournies or going 5-0 in MTGO leagues. While there certainly is a correlation between what is winning and what is being played, those are still fundamentally different things.

>>52711363
Well, we're here because we don't want to see something that was once good and something that we are slowly losing the ability to love go to hell.

Call it relationship therapy.

You sound like the person at an AA meeting saying, "well if you know drinking is bad for you, then stop drinking". Your contribution to the dialog is useless. If we measured society by all the millionaires and couples who managed to stay married for 50 years or the kids that managed to graduate then we'd have a pretty peachy outlook on life eh?

Fuck it. Maybe I will leave. /mTG/ has been more and more fucking cancerous what with you people sucking Wizards' dick over every useless feature they add and do not support to the game and ignoring all the problems that are preventing good and reasonable people from staying around and maintaining the community.

The community used to buy junk food for everyone at one time; even the teenagers could afford to spend an extra $10 for drinks for everyone. Now the vast majority of players can't afford it; in fact, people complained that getting free food was making them feel bad because they couldn't give back.

It's become a community of poor people and people suffering from stockholm syndrome and a mentality of "I've got mine fuck you".

>>52711503
Nigga MTGGoldfish uses MTGO stats, and MTGO is in no way Representative of what people actually play in paper.

>>52711524
>It might as well be control
Not him. Fuck off

>>52711553
goodbye bitch

>>52711524
>XD cuck
>Jund is our format's control deck
These are the kind of people who play MTG nowadays.

>all the bitching
What was it like in the "good ol' days"?

>I dont like the archetype the meta is skewed towards
>I dont care about the people who enjoy playing those decks I just care about playing the decks I like

Right now Modern is very grindy. It's full of midrange decks but you still are not happy for some reason. Why don't you go play Legacy, seriously? That's what you want, don't you? A meta filled with blue decks.

>>52711563
I'm sorry you can't autistically shout counterspell all day like a burn player does with lightning bolt broseph, but just so you, you don't need to run blue to play control. Skred is a control deck just so you know

>>52711588
>mindlessly throw removal and disruption at everything that you see
>not control
Can someone please fucking define what control is? Its practically a buzzword at this point.

>>52711577
Just some random passerby, you sound like a cunt and a half. Too edgy for me.

>>52711598
old days = blue was busted
nowadays = blue is shit

thats literally it

>>52711598
Well for starters the sets that came out had interesting, powerful cards that weren't bland trash with bad CGI art designed to sell Hasbro-mandated Planeswalkers to 12 year olds in order to compete with shit like Hearthstone...

>>52711650
im glad i cut u with my edges :^)

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>>52711632
>Can someone please fucking define what control is?
Anything trying to interact with myself or my board state that would prevent me from winning on turn 2-3.

>>52711673
>black summer
>ravager affinity
>faeries
>cawblade

yep. it certainly was chocolates and roses back in the day

>>52711632
You're just totally retarded

>>52711726
Ableism

>>52708735
Ghost Quarter (and Wasteland) are pseudo-spells breh, you're on 15 fucking lands.

>>52711809
>pseudo-spells
Yea. So you can use them as lands. Fuck off namefag

>>52711673
>implying 98% of the cards from every mtg set save for urza's block, mirrodin and ABU aren't unplayable
>implying that every set hasn't had its great and shitty art

you sound like those people who say "music these days is terrible, old music is the best". too centered on the past for whatever reason that youre unable to see the good in the present. you are a fucking manchild

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Getting into MTG, bought these today. What am I in for?

>>52711719
>Black summer to affinity
That is quite the jump.
Mirrodin/Kamigawa Standard was actually fun as fuck. Fairies was OP but at least everyone got to play with sweet cards. Cawblade was a blatant fuckup too but not nearly on the same level as what WotC has been doing recently.

Also that's all Standard... Back then you had Extended instead of this dumpsterfire Modern format. Limited was usually one hundred times better because the sets were good as well. The playerbase itself was better. The secondary market wasn't remotely as fucked and you could buy into eternal formats way easier. Etc.

>>52711857
Not that guy, but the art from the last 2-3 sets is legitimately awful.

>>52711861
You fucked up bud. Rule number 1 is to buy singles.

>>52711861
Fun casual shenanigans with friends. You won't be able to make anything competitive out of that, though.

>>52711857
You mean you actually like contemporary WotC art direction? Where everything is drawn on a computer and has to look the same?

>>52711861
wrong thread boyo

Modern is a format

>>52711880
well, we'll agree to disagree then. I thought the art on SOI and KLD was pretty great

>>52711892
That's what I'm looking for

>>52711908
My bad, where should I be posting?

>>52711861
You made a decent purchase
Deckbuilder's toolkit teaches you how to build your own decks, which is important. It also teaches the impracticality of quality building through mass random cards. Build some decks out of that, find out which colors you like, and have some friends that play it too.
Try and catch the Amonkhet prerelease.

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>>52711900
yes, some of it is pretty bad but other art is amazing. same for older sets. it has some really good art but some pretty garbage doodles. we can all nitpick

>>52711857
Alright so how exactly has Magic gotten better over the last year or two?
And what has become so great about it in the present?

>>52711916
There will always be a few exceptions, but I'm an autistic weeb so I easily notice when they do lazy cut and paste stuff, bad lighting and obvious CG
Being perfectly honest I think the last set to have genuinely good art direction in my opinion was SOM, and even then there are plenty of cards I wanna get picky about.
.
I'm also dumb and forgot the SOI block existed, I was thinking of OGW and BFZ
That being said I don't really like the art for SOI either so whatever

>>52711900
Yeah I dislike that shit.

>>52711926
> where should I be posting?
There's modern threads, EDH threads, amonkhet spoilers threads, and an ask a judge thread every now and then.
Who knows?

>>52712003
I don't know if you're posting that picture of Liliana as an example of good or bad art.

>>52712002
Sounds good then, thanks

>>52712027
Friends mostly play commander but I couldn't find any commander decks, sorry.

>>52711900
>Where everything has to look the same?
Jesus fucking christ if they print another fucking rouge who is leaning up against a wall preparing to stab someone I am going to firebomb MaRo's house.

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>>52712010
>Alright so how exactly has Magic gotten better over the last year or two?
The most cancerous archetype in the game, control, has all but been pushed out of our glorious format.

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>>52712041
:^)

>>52712020
I love some of the new art. if you hate it then blame me for mtg going to shit, faggots

>>52712047
I second the prerelease attendance, it'll be about a week from now. In general prereleases are good events for new players as it helps promote an understanding of the importance of deck building and card evaluation while also being not overly competitive enough so that (generally) the others in the shop are happy to help you out

>>52712065
>rouge

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Is it worth it to build Faeries?

Some people online were hyping it up that it's dece since Collective Brutality and Fatal Push are cards.

I'm curious to build it, quite frankly. However the lack of effectiveness, slow speed, and is to some degree pricey depending on the build.

>>52712123
>:^)
the fuck does that even mean. Fuck you ya cheeky faggot

>>52712145

on the build make it less appealing to build, I should add.

>>52712145
It is below tier 2 for a reason. If you know that and don't care yeah go ahead and build it.

>>52712145
I built it. not worth it.

its not a good deck and its pricey.

if you want a similar deck build uw or bant spirits. thats what I did with my snapcasters and cryptics

>>52712126
Awesome, I'll check out the local comic book store, I know they have a bunch of players

>>52705386
>hey we're making a new card that does nothing
>cool, what do we call him?
>knife-head.

>>52709563
There's about the same amount of hate now as there was when it was banned. Pod wasn't a deck that immediately folded to hate like dredge.

>>52712166
>>52712161

Well, good thing I have Burn then. No real loss if I end up investing in Snaps and Cryptics.

I may end up building it regardless, logic be damned. I already knew the risks if I built it.

>>52712003
this card's photorealism makes it fall right smack dab in the middle of the uncanny valley, next tothe 2016 Bersrk anime and the new Mass Effect

Went 3-1 with Esper Zur. Everyone liked the deck too. Beat Grixis Shadow, Storm, and Mono B Devotion and lost to Saheeli Evolution in the finals but it was close.

>>52712289
The only thing that really seems off to me is the headdress, looks like cardboard with metallic paint. I doubt I'd notice that on the actual card though.

>>52712288
whatever floats your boat, anon. I really like the deck but repeatedly losing is not fun either. haven't tried it with push though, so it might have gotten better.

>>52712289
thats just like, your opinion, man. seriously, I love that art of liliana

>>52704867
I wanna be a buyout pro too and help ruin Magic.

I need something that is at least uncommon, ideally printed before Return to Ravnica price increases (or is rare/mythic if not), comes from a set that isn't terribly well liked, still manages to be a decent card and/or is essential in certain decks, and costs no more than $3 a pop.

Right now I'm thinking Maze's End, Tasigur, Drogskol Captain, or Deflecting Palm.

I want to get those prices to at least $10.

>>52712363
>Return to Ravnica price increases
printing increases. Whoops.
It makes the buyouts easier.

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>>52712003
>smooth, perfectly even gradients on the skin
>no texture whatsoever
>put a pig-ugly face full of lines and hag genetics and masculine traits

She either has perfect control over her body or not. Fucking wizards. Pick one and stick with it.
>2D studios have autistically detailed character breakdowns so the artists always get the proportions right
>even the POS studio that did the dilbert animations
>Multi-million dollar Wizards of the Coast cannot figure this out

>>52712363
>Maze's End
Why?
I guess you kill a casual deck, but why.
go for drogskol from what you listed. Bant Spirits is on the rise and that's a core card.

>>52712322
The longer you stare at it, the more you will grow to hate it.
Her face feels like it is on an entirely different layer of the art
Something about her cleavage just looks really off DESU, like 90% of /tg/ I'v never actually seen what real boobs look like up close sooooooooo
WotC is obsessed with making everything lifelike that they are abandoning rule number 1 of animation. Expression is more important than acuracy model

>>52712473
Nah that's just you I think. Staring at it for a while just made me notice the grapes in her hand feel a little too close together, but it's not like I've studied all the varieties of grapes in the world.

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>>52712003
That right lat is huge.

What.

>>52712288
Well it got 3rd at a recent SCG so that's something. http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15259&d=292710&f=MO

>>52712166
>bant spirits
>snap and cryptic
what kinda shit list are you running lad?

>>52712510
Maybe you just don't have artistic sensibilities, anon.
Attractive woman in pretty colors and nice tits, real interesting...

>>52712145
If you want to build meme tribal just build Kithkin.

>>52704867

>check my collection
>I actually have four of them, a complete playset.

Nice. You know, I was thinking because the two cards that go infinite are at two mana, you could use Helix Pinnacle as your win condition as it's easy to plop down before you assemble the combo, hard to remove (nobody runs enchantment sweep hate in their sideboard, only targeted removal), and you could use Commune with the Gods to dig for it or the other two creatures to build the combo.

>>52712599
snapcaster and cryptic are for uw spirits

>>52712759
The problem with helix pinnacle is it's useless until you're comboing. People have suggested duskwatch recruiter then using it to get your whole deck out and a 1x Craterhoof Behemoth to win. Duskwatch is easier to remove than pinacle but if they can remove duskwatch they can stop your combo anyway.

>>52712759
>nobody runs enchantment sweep hate in their sideboard, only targeted removal
Nobody runs enchantment sweepers, but some people run Engineered Explosives.

>>52712817

That's true, I was trying to think of a good curve of plays though, like one-two-three. It's also pretty slow as you don't win until your next upkeep, but it does get around something like Leyline of Sanctity. Walking Ballista would also be a way to win, as you could just throw it down with infinite counters, remove them all and aim it at the opponent's face, and it's a good card even outside of the combo.

>>52712876
Well it doesn't matter the cost of your final combo piece if you already have infinite mana. Duskwatch into craterhoof wins the turn you go infinite, you should have at least 2 attackers around 20/20 each, more if you're a very creature heavy build.

>>52712123

To be fair the Newmrakul art is one of the more recent good ones but the card just ends up cutting off half of the piece and kinda loses its impact.

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>>52712123

new art can be pretty good too

>>52715358
God I hope they release this as a playmat.

>>52715378

We can always ask the artist. That (and enough preorders for it to be profitable I guess) was what got playmats for Leovold and the new Chandra made

>>52715358
Unf.

Love me some proper painted card art. Would go in for preorders.

I just want a white tier 1 deck.

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