Stigma with 40K?

It's all the fault of Imperial Space Marine Fags.

>>52702071
It's a triangle.
Ask Magic and 40K players about Heroclicks or 40K and Heroclicks players about Magic.
Nerds hate plebs that don't enjoy what they enjoy in the way they do it.

Mini gamers are sort of like the jocks of the gaming world. Sense of camaraderie, more expensive gear, etc.

Card players are like the dorks who watch whatever anime is on cartoon network and don't seem to have any substantial hobbies. On some level the MtG players know they're smelly neckbeards and get kinda catty about it.

RPG players are like the snobby theatre kids. You'll sometimes find some in the game store but they prefer to hang out in secret cliques.

>>52702071
I've never noticed it.
But I don't know anybody who actually has hero clicks.

>Heroclicks
What the fuck. Is that at all comprable to 40k and Magic where you are.

I thought that died 10 years ago.

The stigmatised players in the UK are Magic players. Always fat, smelly nerds who've bought their overpowered decks.

>>52702180

I think he's using Heroclix as a stand in for all the retarded pre-paint games that sort onto the scene, sell like hotcakes, and then take a nosedive after a few years because there's no hobby elements or real sense of community.

Mage Knight, Heroclix, Monsterpocalypse, X-Wing, et al.

>>52702211
Ah right OK. Yea X Wing definitely stands toe to toe with MCG and GW right now.

>>52702071
Because 40k fans are idiots.

>>52702113
this is a lie, if you ask anyone about Heroclicks they will ask you what the fuck you're talking about

Cuz all they see in stores is WAACfags and tourneyfags, who are pretty much the worst of the worst for 40k

Only time I ever saw hero clix was with Halo. That was like 7 years ago. I don't know any hobbyist who has them.

I'm a 40k player myself and just don't get card games. At least with models you can personalize it and even if you run a netlist it's still your painted army.

Running cards just seems ridiculous. You build your list and that's it. No skills involved other than statistics or probability.

>>52702180
Naw Heroclix keeps getting a surge. They got a huge surge when they did Yugioh Clix and Dota 2. But they fucked the pooch AGAIN by not allowing those two sets to be legal in a majority of tournaments. For people who don't know Heroclix has MTG's Legacy/Modern/Standard but its Gold/Silver/Modern ages. Official/Big tournys are almost always modern. Silver isn't supported by Wizkids and Yugioh/Dota were designated to Gold age for not being DC/Marvel. Not only that but for Silver age players Yugioh/Dota clicks are either OP or hot garbage. In Dota's case if you don't build a team for a support from dota and cheese it up, they are all garbage. Witch Doctor is the strongest member of the Dota clicks, and the best I could do was have him possesed by Paralax/Ion and then slap on a bunch of yellow lanterns and use the yellow battery so after Perplexing down everyones defence and his attack up he could attack people non stop till they drop dead. Of course if the opponents aren't all just chilling in his range he could only kill 1-2 max a turn, and has no innate defence aside from AOE regen.
And now Yugioh/Dota clicks aren't even getting the sets we were promised. Dota's actual packs are indefinately delayed. :/

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>>52702154
>Sense of camaraderie, more expensive gear, etc.

Having played both Magic, and 40k I deffinantly agree that mini-wargamers have a sense of brotherhood, and comaraderi that I just dont have with magic players.

Like a when a game of mtg ends, I shake hands and move on, with very little being said. Where as 40K I usually end up spending 10-15 mins talking about the game, what mistakes I made, and complementing my opponents army.

>>52702435
I guess im a fusion of all three. I like to talk about the games I play and settings, cause I love TTRPGS and love when Miniatures/cards/RPGS cross over like L5R and Malifaux but I have noticed most MTG/Yugioh players are kind of off put by you discussing the game or just wanting to joke around. Where as with TTRPGS and Malifaux I end bullshitting with the other players for like 30-1hour before playing.

>>52702419
As if WAAC 40k players ever even bother to paint their models..

People dislike 40k players because there is a very vocal minority of autistic cunts who spaz out about 40k 24/7 and drive everyone around them insane.

It's the fat greasy guy scream WHAAAGGHHHH in a crowded store and then chasing a 12 year old around trying to "dakka his metal box" until the police get called.

>>52702521
>It's the fat greasy guy scream WHAAAGGHHHH in a crowded store and then chasing a 12 year old around trying to "dakka his metal box" until the police get called.

Every ork player ever

>>52702521
Orlando players never disappoint

>>52702071
Because Magic players are autistic.

>>52702071
>magic players have autistic spasms about things
>news at 11

>>52703018
Meant ork players.

>>52703018
Wait, is that a real story?

>>52702247
Isn't x-wing more popular than warhammer right now?

>>52703018
>>52703475
Orklando

>>52702071
>Hero clicks, and Magic players cringe
now that's rich

>>52702113
however, among the RPG crowd 40K has the best reputation of the three, imho

>>52702268
a nuanced critique if I ever saw any

>>52702322
>tfw my closest store is a major Heroclix hub
They straight up treat you like a second class customer if you don't play Heroclix or MTG. More than glad to take my business elsewhere even if it's less convenient.

>>52702071

Never had a single 40k mini stolen from me. When i go to toruneys i dont think twice about leaving my $1,000 army and case full of shit at the table to go out for lunch.

On the other hand when i tried playing magic i had a small box of extras i brought with me to see if the store would buy them and they got stolen.

I quit playing magic because the player base was fucking toxic.

>>52702268
I agree. Too much assholes in the community. I can't get a game at my local store because I play Tau and they don't like Tau players. The store owners are cool though. It's the retarded 40k players. The worst fanbas in all of nerdom. I would rather read and watch everything twilight and talk to a convention room floor of fanfic writers than the degenerate 40k player base. I only collect now and even then swapping to AoS since space marine fans are too spergy.

>>52702071
It all comes down to the local communities. 40K, MtG, Flames of war ect. generally get along around where I live and play. We have our tables, they have theirs. Practice basic hygen and social skills and we're all good. Generally though the people to autistic/socially inept or to interact with the bulk of the community in a socially acceptable manner are ostracized or out right banned from shops. The only people I've ever seen any real conflict with are Yugioh players and I think that's just because they're all crazy.

>>52704200
>On the other hand when i tried playing magic i had a small box of extras i brought with me to see if the store would buy them and they got stolen.

Dont tell that to /pol/ because white people are incapable of stealing lul.

>>52704235
>I play Tau and they don't like Tau players

They may have had bad experiences with Tau players bringing max riptides and tabling you turn 2.

I'm hesitant playing Eldar players because they are broke as fug. But if my opponent brings a chill list then I'll play them.

>>52702071
There is a big overlap between warhammer and mtg here. They dont like heroclicks and yugioh people.

>>52702071
It just depends on your meta.

Where I play at now, the warmahordes players are a LOT older on average, and aren't as obnoxious in terms of BO or autism. Most of the card players are just smelly high schoolers blowing tons of money, and the 40k players are super-loud, obnoxious autists. I actually stopped playing briefly because the dudes who played in my area were annoying mutants.

I always kind of wanted to run a nerd store (maybe when I retire or something), but I still don't know how I would handle wanting to throw a kid out because they're annoying/smelly/etc. Do you just have to hope the community you collect is presentable? Ugh.

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>>52702527
Excuse me as an ork play this offends me. Only about half of us are creepy pedophiles, the better half of us like to refer to ourselves as "lolicons"

>>52704979
Why not just have a nerd store aimed at a certain clientel? If people then are being obnoxious autists that refuse to adapt to the rules you should be well within your rights to throw them the fuck out.

It's entirely self-inflicted and well-deserved

the fuck is Heroclicks

>>52702268
True.
I play orks

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>>52705566
Number 1 selling Minatures game in the world.

I've noticed that irl 40k players are pretty friendly. I've seen some forgivable spergs but almost never straight up rude people, like the sort of MtG dude who plays the most expensive netdeck and has earbuds in all night so he doesn't have to talk to any of his opponents. Or the dude who hovers around kids opening packs so he can rip them off.
Although I stopped hanging with 40k players because holy shit there isn't a single chair in the entire fucking Games Workshop store here and my back can't take standing in one spot for three hours straight to play a "short" kill team match. Is that a normal GW thing?

>>52704468

Are you inplying there couldn't be niggers in a game store? What are you, racist?

>>52704468
Bull fucking shit. I was talking to this group of players and hitting it off and complimenting their painting ect. As soon as I mention I play Tau they say they don't want to talk to me anymore. They didn't ask dick shit about my list despite the fact that I only ever run one Riptide when I did have a small community near me. Hell sometimes I wouldn't run that either.

They're just being discimintaory faggots.

Then there was the lying sociopath Armada player who at minimum was a dirty stinking cheater and liar to his deathbed and had to have five + people shouting him down before he would agree his rules "interpretations" were wrong.

At maximum the creeper was basically stalking me around the store watching everything I did and even came up to me when we just met and tried to hug me from behind and ask what I was buying like some creepy pedo. He kept offering people rides home too and was twitching and doing other weird almost comically stereotypical crazy shit.

FUCK miniature wargames fans. Fuck 40k fans in particular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LyBTX9AtHM

>>52705991

Sorry about your experience. Those guys are dicks. If i was there I wouldnt play either! Hell there's a gamestore near me I refuse to go to because of that grognoggery.

>>52705566
Tiny superheroes with seemingly random sculpt and paint qualities.

>>52702071
haven't experienced it

>>52702071
Heroclix player here, don't necessarily cringe at any games players. desu only started heroclix as stepping stones to other stuff like x wing and 40k, but I still enjoy it.

>>52704235

The problem is you, Taufag. If they aren't sperging out about anything but you and Tau, guess who the real issue is?

>>52704235

Have you considered that maybe it's not their irrational hatred of Tau players that's the problem, and rather that perhaps you yourself may be unpleasant ?

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>>52702103
This.

So much this,

40k used to be cool af, like a Heavy Metal magazine cover made into a game that we could play. and then those SPEESH MUHARIANE faggots ruined everything.

pic incredibly related.

ITT: whiny false-flagging Taufags and that one Taufag who calls everyone who calls him out a marinefag

>whining about modern 40k being too marine-centric after we got Knights, GSC, shadow war, 30k segregation, and RT was basically Beaky Beaker: The Beakening

>>52702071

> Hero Clicks
> Magic the Gathering

Literally the worst of the worst.

>>52707130
And they fucked up the Orks, released the stupid-ass Thunderwolf cavalry, entirely fagging up the only non-faggy marine Chapter, and then fag fag fag fag fag.

Don't fucking give Games Workshop any more money. They sold out.

>>52707352
Oh, Thunderwolf cavalry. Way to make space wolves even more obnoxious. Even before it was an army only the worst dumbasses, 15-year old metalheads and WAACfags played..

>>52707352
Wolf wolves were never cool. Too much wolf.
On the other hand, pretty much every other chapter is cool. I'm especially partial to the Black Templar.
I play necrons tho. Don't want to be like everyone else.

I don't even play the game bad just collect the models, but everyone I talk to about 40k, even within the traditional games community (like board games and historical war gamers and stuff) just gets this disgusted look on their eyes whenever they and what I collect/paint and I tell them 40k

>>52708602
>I'm especially partial to the Black Templar
My battle-brother

>>52702071
Because 40k is the MLP of /tg/

>>52702180
Heroclix is very popular in the US. It has weekly nights at all the stores nearby save one (They exclusively do MTG).

>>52705850
My store has like 4 hard ass bench chairs, that are great for sitting for like 5 mins.

>>52709340
I'd say that it is slightly autistic, but you are on target. It just attracts all the kids and fundies.

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>>52708602
>>52709337
Battle brothers!

>>52702071
I'm glad I've never got into 40k and play skirmish systems instead, like Infinity or Frostgrave. Starting a new army does not cost you $500+ and the community is way nicer.

MtG is cashgrabbing. It lacks the hobby aspect of painting and building terrain.

>>52702071
Blame Imperium and Space Marine fags

>>52704200
Exactly this. With MtG, card thievery is endemic and tacitly approved by many gamers. With 40k, you just get blacklisted from playing at shops forever. When I was first getting into 40k, there was a teenager that was part of a gaggle of friends that stole someone's DE wyches (probs. to jerk off to) and got busted. Instantly banned from the shop, no appeal. It was dumb of him as well because he'd recently gotten his mum to drop about $150 to get him a starter SM set.

Also, this is sort of a strange thing, but I like 40k because you have to stand up to play. With MtG, you have these tremendously fat guys sitting in chairs with their asscracks on display, and it's disgusting. I always felt less of my opponents simply because they were incapable of covering up their cavernous asscracks.
But with 40k, everyone is standing up, so it's never a bother.

>>52715264
Card stealing? That really happens?

>>52715698
Its part of the MtG culture, has been for a long time.

My main problem with 40k players is even though they freely admit the game is broken as fuck, they sperg hard out if anyone even hints at changing them.

Orks players are a bit more chill about it though. They'll completely rewrite their own codex making the army a bit less of a joke, but then refuse to play that way even if they do find an opponent willing to give it a go.

On the other hand, pen and paper gamers get off on coming up with new shit. Tweaking systems to fit their needs, even writing new ones (or trying to anyway) is the bread and butter of PNP players.

>>52705850
They are supposed to discourage a game club atmosphere. The people running the retail department would rather customers spent money and then fucked off home.

>>52704118
Because of the three, 40k is the only one with a setting worth a damn (Magic sometimes gets one, but rarely fleshes it out).

GW is doing its best to fix this, however...

>>52707025
This is what the church told Newton.

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People play HeroClicks?

>>52717218
Newton was a sperging Taufag?

>>52717301
It is written.

1. Magic players are autistic
2. Nobody plays heroclicks, stop lying
3. /tg/ is an echo chamber for 40k players, mostly. you wont hear a non-ironic/non-shitposting/non-troll/sencere response here.

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>>52717408
>2. Nobody plays heroclicks, stop lying

Facts say otherwise.

>>52702422
How retarded do you have to be from a business standpoint to get a partnership with dota and then dump it like that.

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>>52718406

Same level of retarded as people who tripfag desu senpai

>>52702071
40k is for autistic retards.

Infinity, Malifaux, Guild Ball and Armada are much better ttwgs.

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>>52702268
Yep, 40k and magic players are equally disgusting.

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>>52702419
>I'm a 40k player myself
>Thinks his piece of shit game requires skill

>>52703758
At my store there are many games more popular than warhammer.

>>52718755
I think it varies slightly with the format. Legacy players are pretty chill and just happy to get a game in.
Modern attracts obnoxious tryhard mongoloids. EDH players have far and away the highest autism percentage out of any group.

>>52707352
>Don't fucking give Games Workshop any more money. They sold out.

GW is up there with Comcast, Bank of America and United.

>>52718689
>shit nobody plays
ok

>>52707352
I will stop giving them money when they stop making stuff I like, BL loses its ability to come out with half-decent stuff, or they raise the prices to the point that I can no longer buy the tiny amount of stuff I purchase from them.

Eh. I give it a month.

>>52704200
>>52715264
Card thievery and shoplifting are huge problems with a lot of card games but MTG especially. MTG players are the reason you have to ask the cashier to get you a pack behind the counter now instead of them just being on display in LGSs. Hell, I'm even starting to see normie stores that stock card games like Walmart and Barnes & Noble put their packs behind glass. Every time I talk to friends who go to the LGS for tourneys or FNM they bring up a theft happening at least once every couple months. It's gotten to the point where no one is shocked anymore - it's just what happens when you play card games now.

>>52715264
>Exactly this. With MtG, card thievery is endemic and tacitly approved by many gamers.
what the fuck

>>52719070
It really depends on the store

If there's a medium amount of people around who sort of know each other from events and the LGS doesnt have an insane amount of foot traffic or KIDS (most important factor) usually nothing gets stolen. We have people just letting their binders with guru lands and shit lying open just to let other people flip through it so people can offer them a trade.

That being said if your store has a disproportionate amount of kids or carry unsavory games like yugioh or force of will then yeah your shit is gonna get swiped

>>52720192
Yeah, you're definitely right. Kids are a cancer to any good store but they bring in their parents' money so they're unfortunately welcome.

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It's because 40k attracts guys who never mentally progressed past the age of ten. They developed an obsession with 40k that's nothing if not monolithic; they relate EVERYTHING they can to Warhammer 40k's setting and seem incapable of acknowledging any other fictional setting unless they can somehow mangle the two together. They'll force 40k into anything they can.

the real reason it's called 40k is because that's how much it costs to get a good army

fuck miniatures wargaming

>>52715196
>starting a new army is $500+
Not nowadays. Two start collecting boxes and you're good for a while, and the highest you should ever pay for that is about $170

If you are talking about a fully painted 2,000 point army...

2 Start Collecting Boxes is $85x2=$170
Miscellaneous units/bundles is another $150 let's say
If you get a games workshop webstore paint bundles and overspend as much as possible you're looking at $75 in paints
Glue and sprue clippers are maybe $20-$30

So the maximum cost you could possibly spend on a new army is roughly $425, and that's buying everything through GW for the maximum price. Find a FLGS with a 20% off membership option and you're saving $85 so that'd be $340 for a massive army, STILL BUYING A SHIT TON OF GAMES WORKSHOP PAINTS.

>>52702071
Clickshit kids are jealous, and MTG fags feel threatened by the slightly more socially savvy and mentally stable nature of the average 40k or Warhammer player.

>>52707059
guessing from the filename that's a symbol for fascism, but how? What does it represent? Literally the only thing i can think of is that it's a bundle of sticks and an axe, which to me looks like a quick way to get your entire movement called a faggot.

>>52720576
>Clickshit kids are jealous
>MTG fags feel threatened by the slightly more socially savvy and mentally stable nature

Psychological projection, or "Freudian projection," a defense mechanism in which one attributes to others one’s own unacceptable or unwanted attributes, thoughts, or emotions

>>52720507
There are also smaller skirmish variants to 40k now like Kill Team and Shadow War where a 20-40$ ten man squad box can be your entire army.

>>52720595

From wiki

"The Italian term fascismo is derived from fascio meaning a bundle of rods, ultimately from the Latin word fasces.[14] This was the name given to political organizations in Italy known as fasci, groups similar to guilds or syndicates. According to Mussolini's own account, the Fascist Revolutionary Party (Partito Fascista Rivoluzionario or PFR) was founded in Italy in 1915.[15] In 1919, Mussolini founded the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento in Milan, which became the Partito Nazionale Fascista (National Fascist Party) two years later. The Fascists came to associate the term with the ancient Roman fasces or fascio littorio[16]—a bundle of rods tied around an axe,[17] an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of the civic magistrate[18] carried by his lictors, which could be used for corporal and capital punishment at his command.[19][20]
The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity: a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is difficult to break.[21] Similar symbols were developed by different fascist movements; for example, the Falange symbol is five arrows joined together by a yoke.[22]"

I tried 40k once. Started collecting and shit, my OCD was very pleased with having my army. But the community was fucking creepy, always leering at me or insinuating that they would like to fuck me. It was pretty disgusting.

MtG, I use to play as a kid. When I tried to get back into it, I was automatically acused of trying to win game by being "a slut". Fucking bullshit.

Heroclix are for 12yo kids imo.

So I stay with pens and paper where I can run my CoC in peace with peoples who don't mind that I happen to have a vagina.

>>52721285
Seems like your local community. We've got a few girls who play 40k at our local stores with no trouble.

>>52720465
>this salt
Did a group of 40k players rape you or something?
Your fault if you were old enough to bleed

>>52721285
Weird. At my LGS everyone is at their absolute best behavior(not smarmy or suck-upish, more like act like mom just walked into the room and you cant trash talk with your buddies on xbox anymore) whenever a woman shows up

>>52717232
See

>>52718381

>>52717408
>you wont hear a non-ironic/non-shitposting/non-troll/sencere response here.
Really? Because ironic shitposting and trolling seems to make up most of what gets posted in 40k threads here.

Who the fuck really cares?

I play 40K and other nerd shit but the nerd-pocalypse has begun with the crying Star Wars fanatics.

Anyway, my experience is that players of card games are rife with cheaters and spineless pricks, a minority are weird social freaks.

Boardgamers just don't care and enjoy the game in general, i.e. they are more relaxed.

I don't get to play tabletop games as often but since I moved, my new place is full of smug pricks 3 local game stores have closed since I've started living here. Fuckers moan about that nonsense constantly.

I was totally 100% serious about the people who didn't want to talk to me because I played Tau. Also when we talked at first we were talking for a good 20 mins and I was watching them set up their game. As soon as I mentioned Tau once they all closed up and said they don't like Tau and wouldn't talk to me or glance at me again.

They didn't even want me watching them play.

Also the creepy stalking Armada player dude happened.

This was the first time I ever went to go to a public game day. The last as well.

I mean if a guy talking and being polite for 20 minutes is enough to basically censure him for all of life in about half the player community before they ever really knew me then I would hate to see the friendly welcome I would get at other stores.

I know it's hard to distinguish shit posting and vitriol for truth on this board, but I have some small hope at least one person would believe me.

I know one of the store owners stopped playing 40k because of cost and the community. I think he got sick of the weird player base as well. Can't say I blame him. Now minature wargaming is dying off around the area from what I hear from him and the other owner.

All I can say is... gee I wonder why?

>>52727222

Watch out for the rise in circle jerk communities who spread misinformation.

I say this as a warning as there are many liars in this world and almost nothing you hear is true. Not without actual evidence.

I have seen people act weirdly and this comes from isolationist group think.

Also, people can be easily offended and have someone turn up with a meta tourney list offends people also, or whatever they perceive that to be.

The world is full of stupid in other words.