/MTG/ - Amonkhet Spoilers

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>>52683175
Bloodfury Militant
Minotaur Warrior
When ~ ETB, Discard a card

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>>52683146
Oketra is cat.
Why is her attendant a bird instead of a catgirl that becomes a nekomata if embalmed?

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>>52683186
Harvest Season
Sorcery
Search for X basic lands and put them on the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library, where X is your tapped creatures.

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>>52683207
Start//Finish
Instant//Sorcery
Create two 1/1 white Warrior tokens with vigilance

Aftermath
As an additional cost, sac a creature
Destroy target creature

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>>52683175
Gonna windmill slam that shit right into my Nekusar deck

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>>52683240
I like it.

>>52683260
i not

>>52683277
Then you're a fag

>>52683310
explain why I should like that card

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>>52683341

>>52683146
What wurm? I must have missed it. Can someone post the fake?

>>52683240
Hey, that's pretty good

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>>52683370
really, nigga?

>>52683240
Seems strong for better enabling more complex spells. Here's hoping we get some interesting 3-color stuff to help out weaker shards/wedges

>>52683259
Best desert so far. I just wish it didn't have that awful sorcery speed clause

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>>52683386

>>52683430
An anon in the previous thread said it was fake becase there is "and" instead of &. Sorry

>>52683448
fake and gay

>>52683448
>"can someone post the fake?"
>*someone posts the fake*
>"THIS IS FAKE"
thanks mate

>>52683341
It's an EDH land. It prevents people from color screwing you with strip mine and taps for colorless before you get to 6 mana. It's very solid even though it's not amazing. If it was (4) and tap it would be pretty broken

>>52683487
oh, I see. I'm so sorry.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/tokens-amonkhet-2017-04-13

>>52683175
Reminder that this doesn't work with Madness, even if you don't cast it.

>>52683523
I really dislike the fact that i need to turn my head around just to read the aftermath.

>>52683537
>6 mana for draw 2
Damn. They just don't want these to be playable do they? Draw 3 would have made sense. 1 more mana for rampant growth and 1 more for Jace's Ingenuity.

>>52683186
I really like this card. Finally Minotaurs are getting some good cards!

>>52683240
Slamming one of these into my 5 colour modern Tron brew.

>>52683175
Hot damn that art is awesome
>>52683572
I dunno. Madness specifically says "discard to exile". gA areally you in this thread?

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Dispossess
Sorcery

Name an artifact card. Search target opponent’s hand, graveyard and library for any number of cards with that name and exile them. That player then shuffles their library.

>>52683164
>>52683240
>>52683523
>>52683537
Those aren't too bad, finally spoilers that are worth a damn

>>52683684
>3 mana
Now THIS is trash

>>52683637
Instant speed "Draw two cards" usually costs 3U. This one doesn't cost you a card to cast, so bumping it by 1U is pretty damn reasonable.

>>52683677
Yes it discards to exile then moves to grave which makes it a different object in the grave than the card you discarded. Basically because it makes a stop in exile first it doesn't work.

>>52683677
>Madness specifically says "discard to exile".
Yeah, and, while it's in exile, it's a card that you discarded. However, you then either cast it or move it to your graveyard. Either way, it changes zones, and is now a new object.

>>52683523
Memory seems pretty good. Time Reversal that doesn't exile that you cast from your graveyard? Plus it's stapled to a non-creature Venser that can't hit lands.

>>52683792
Aftermath (you cast from graveyard, then exile)

>>52683751
Fair enough. I guess it being a ramp card too helps justify it

>>52683806
Oh apparently I can't RTFC.
But that's still not bad.

>>52683229
>>52683523
Great, a couple of actually playables out of the shit new mechanic and frame.
This means that people will play them, Wizards will ignore the negative feedback because people play them, and they're gonna continue to make shit decisions in the future.

>>52683240
EDH / 10
It's gonna be an auto-include in literally every 2-5 color deck in EDH, both because it filters up to 5 mana into "any combination" and not just "any one color", and because it's Indes, so land board wipes and non-basic killers won't kill it.

>>52683677
>>52683770
Madness is discarded either way, it only passes through exile on the way to the grave, and you have the option to cast it from exile while it's there, but otherwise it continues to the grave and becomes eligible for Shadow of the Grave.
If you cast it for the Madness though, it is not eligible for Shadow even after you finish casting it and it goes to the grave, because you never discarded it, you cast it.

>>52683859
Even if you don't cast it by passing through exile first it's no longer the card you discarded, it only remembers being in exile then going to the grave.

Go ask gA he'll tell you the same.

>>52683637
This is ingenuity you retard, learn to count cards.

>>52683880
Also, Shadow of the Grave says "Return to your hand all cards in your graveyard that you cycled or discarded this turn."
It doesn't say they have to have been discarded from your hand to the grave, only that they have to have been discarded at some point in that turn to somewhere, and that they have to have eventually ended up in your graveyard.
So even discarding a madness card to exile, then putting it into your graveyard, should theoretically count.

>>52683936
But the card you discarded is not in your graveyard, it was discarded into exile
The card in your graveyard is no longer the card you discarded, despite having the same name and cardboard

>>52683859
Isn't madness an optional replacement effect?

>>52683978
It goes to exile no matter what.

>>52683229
White black warriors maybe? Feed Bloodsoaked Champion to it.

Where's the last planeswalker spoiler reeeeeeeeeeee

>>52683913
That doesn't even make sense anon.

>>52684093
It's probably going to be a 3-2 block, since MaRo has repeatedly said 5 per block is the new standard, there was only 6 the past couple because they felt like it.
So Gideon, Lili, and Nissa are it for set 1.

>>52684096
He's talking about card advantage.

Jace's Ingenuity draws you three cards, at the cost of one card, so it's +2 CA.

Mind draws you two cards, at the cost of no cards, so it's also +2 CA.

>>52683978
That changed with SOI. The discard to exile is now mandatory.

>>52683859
>>52683936
You're really having trouble with this. From the Comprehensive Rules:
>400.7. An object that moves from one zone to another becomes a new object with no memory of, or relation to, its previous existence.
Whether or not the physical card was discarded into exile, the game does not recognize the card in your graveyard as one that was discarded.

Under the current rules, Shadow of the Grave will never return any discarded card that has Madness. They may change this with the Amonkhet rules update, but they may not.

>>52683684
>>52683705

I dunno. Purging a person's library of Heart of Kiran, Torrential Gearhulk, Dynavolt Tower or Aetherworks Marvel might be handy.

>>52684237
That's assuming they don't start the game with a Heart in hand and cast it before you can cast Disposses, and the same for Dynavolt if they go first.

>>52684144
Except that you have to cast Spring first unless you discarded or milled. It's ramp and draw 2 versus draw 3.

>>52683429
At least it doesn't hit only attacking creatures.

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More edh stuff. Yeah?

>>52684647
It's not really playable in EDH unless you want to go Timmy Wurm tribal. Then it's perfect.

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Invocation Attrition

>>52684603
You don't have to cast Spring and Mind on the same turn, however, nor is it fair to completely discount the fact that you can discard the card to fuel various effects.

>>52684647
I could see playing this in a very casual ramp deck with Where Ancients Tread.

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Sandwurm Convergence

>>52684647
Art would be 100% better without that bird on the front and sightly zoomed in on the wurm.

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Wurm Token

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The last, unknown piece of Wurm art

(RIP Holaphel, we hardly knew ye)

>>52684816
Now this is good art

>>52684647
People are going to build the most horrendous and terrible X/G ramp decks in limited because they opened this pack 1

Other than that it's trash

>>52684853
Did they even spoil ramp cards in this set so far?

>>52684870
See >>52683207

>>52684833
I'm guessing some sort of Wurm legend. Probably green with another color.

>>52684882
meh, the chances of getting those 2 rares together makes it too difficult to do in sealed.

>>52684833

Maybe Holaphel faker got it right except for the name and flavor text?

>>52684944
8 mana isn't hard to get in sealed. Looking at the spoiled things so far, the common/uncommon power level is certainly below kaladesh.

>>52684934
>>52684975
If it's literally just Holaphel with Trample, it's my chase rare. Xenagod Commander can and will fuck with that.

>>52683624
>not turning your screen sideways to read the aftermath

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>>52685000
>Holaphel with trample
I'm fucking diamonds.

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>>52684870
Rares aside you've got pic related and >>52683537

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>>52684647
I'm gonna build a Dragoncraft deck in Magic!

>>52685000
We got a practical 5 mana 8/8 trample
8 mana 20/20 trample doesn't sound too far off

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I love when my wanky red mythics are cheap for a change.

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>>52685350
Well, now...

>>52685350
Finally a new iteration of Time Stop
There is no better feeling in magic than passing the turn and when your opponent goes to draw you stop him and tell him his turn is over

>>52685350
What is the purpose of this card?

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>>52685350

>>52685417
Ending the turn.

>>52685417
It's a red, three mana Time Warp, with a condition on it so it's not as easily abusable because it's out of color.

>>52685433
And lose the next one? It's almost useless.

>>52685417
To make Gideon even more obnoxious

>>52685350
So RW Gideon Tribal I guess?

>>52685450
>he doesn't know that anything that exiles or counters abilities can get rid of the loss part, making this a cheaper red "take an extra turn" card

>>52685388
This one lets you null an opponent turn

>>52685417
Think of it as a new take on pic related
You're supposed to use it as a finisher

>>52685450
Not if you're playing an aggressive deck and "need just one more turn"

>>52683430
You were too cool to be something R&D would come up with.
Such a pity.

>>52685350
playable in ad nauseam?

>>52685482
You combo it with Sundial because you cast the new card or Final Fortune, then when the "you lose the game" ability is on the stack at your end step, you Sundial to exile the loss ability, and you don't lose.

>>52685350
Wait this doesn't exile itself, is that abuse-able?

>>52685482
Yes. And Sundial let's you skip your end step. You know, the one where you were supposed to lose.

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>>52685417
>>52685485

>>52685501
It inherently exiles itself because of how the mechanics of ending a turn work. It even says so in the reminder text.

>>52685496
>>52685506

Oh right, you can sundial away the lose trigger, my bad.

>>52685501
>exile all spells on the stack.......including this card

>>52685350
While "End the turn" effects will never stop being cool, extra turns are almost always better since it makes you skip the opponent's untap step.

>>52685516
It needs to resolve before its effect happens, at which point it is already in the graveyard

>>52684144
Don't forget the virtual card advantage you get from Spring

>>52685530
>>52685516

Sorry guys, I'm dumb

>>52684647
Shai halund! May his passing cleanse the world

>>52685545
spell resolves then the card is put in the yard.

>>52685555
Nice quads

>>52685491
Unlife doesn't save them from the trigger, i don't think it's consistent enough to see play.

>>52685545
You are mistaken. Going to the graveyard is the very last part of resolving a spell.

>>52685581
angel's grace does but I guess they don't really need it since they already run pact of negation.

>>52685588
oh, it's another one of these "as foretold" episode

>>52685588
I should add that this is for instant and sorcery spells.

I'm so happy they printed Final Time Stop in the same set as 3-mana Platinum Angel. it's genuinely really funny to me

>>52683637
No i agreed. 6 for 2 is bs. But if you look at the rest of the set, you shouldnt have expected anything other than more fuel for the garbage fire.

>>52685350
So on top of everything else, Gideon can King Crimson now.

>>52684833
I need Holaphel to be real. I demand that WotC prints a vanilla 20/20 legendary creature in the near future. I will blow up their hq if they don't.

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Well shit

Some deck can abuse this

>>52684237

If you're in Black you won't need to bother purging Heart of Kiran since in most cases you'll have removal for it. However purging through all the Scrapheap Scroungers is pretty neat.

>>52683637
the context of being a flashback really makes it a lot different IMO. you can't evaluate it like you're playing it from your hand - the value is totally different in the context of flashing it back after doing your ramp thing. being an Aftermath card is not as good as drawing an extra card but it's way closer than you think.

I'm not saying it's super powerful, or even necessarily playable in Standard, but the rate is fair

>>52685350
>>52685766
c'mon dude, read the thread

>>52685766
maybe in some standard decks, but usually this kind of cards doesn't see so much game

>>52683637

Think of it less like 6 mana for draw 2 and more like "Well I got all this excess mana and my opponent didn't cast anything, lets exile this card in my graveyard to draw two new cards."

99% of the reason to even play this card is for the rampant growth type side. The other side is just if you ever need something to do.

>>52683624
It's worth it, just trust me.

>>52685350
>Opponent about to combo off
>You can kill him on your next turn, but if he finishes his combo, you're boned
>This just as he sets up the combo
>gg

>>52685857
Or just end the turn so you can cast your Second Sun win

>>52685350
By the way, this is the last mythic of the set

>>52685650
>Mythic that synergizes with another mythic
WotC knows how to make money

>>52684647
This in a Marvel deck isn't the worst thing in the world

>>52683705
>Now THIS is trash
>Three mana exile all copies of a specific artifact from someone's deck just by naming the card
You're fucking retarded. The only reason Lost Legacy isn't seeing more play is because it can't hit artifacts.

>>52685925
Lost Legacy is trash too, but it at least has the merit of stopping the 2nd most played deck in the format

This only stops joke decks

>>52685766
[GIDEONING INTENSIFIES]

>>52685925
Don't think that a card that's even more narrow than lost legacy will see more play. Standard artifact heavy decks (mardu vehicles) also have non-artifact threats.
I guess it kills aetherworks marvel?

>>52683175
That's a great piece of art.

>>52685968
>mardu vehicles is a joke deck

>>52685983
>>52685968
>>52685925

Lost Legacy does see some minor sideboard play but the clause on not being able to hit artifacts is a problem because it couldn't hit not just vehicles but the gearhulks as well.

Don't evaluate this card like a comparison between cranial extraction effects only but evaluate it more like the card choice when one puts it into lists like the choice between Duress and Despise. There are some matchups where Duress is dead or better and some matchups where Despise is dead or better.

>>52686042
>removing one (1) artifact stops mardu vehicles
laughing_gideons.tiff

>>52683207
green stompy bait?

>>52683637
you play this for spring, the mind part is just gravy.

>>52686117
Stompy doesn't need ramp, it curves off at 3, some play 1-2 4cmc creatures but that's it, you don't ever need more than 4 lands

>>52686207
there has to be a deck that attacks on turn 3 but is also looking to ramp, modern elves? so you can get out the craterhoof?

>>52686279
Modern stompy probably want the green god more seeing that alot of their creatures started at power 4.

>>52686279

Modern Elves doesn't play Craterhoof due to the lack of huge mana of Gaea's Cradle and Birchlore Rangers/Wirewood shenanigans and its basic land count is like maybe 5 or 6 at the most. It's much easier for them to play Ezuri considering he's much easier to Chord for and hit with CoCo plus the mana investment to cast and activate him is exactly the same.

>>52684647
It's nice tech for mono-green decks. Though I'm not certain if it's better then Silklash Spider.

>>52686311
>Modern stompy probably want the green god more seeing that alot of their creatures started at power 4.


just Baloth? maybe avatar of the resolute at times

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>play Glorious End
>stay alive with Gideon's emblem
>protect Gideon with Pact

Obviously not in Standard but still neat.

>>52686428
I play hoof in my elves deck

it also has the allosaurus-eldritch evo combo

>>52686588

Jeskai Gideon's the hot new modern meme.

>>52686596
SaffronOlive has corrupted you

>>52686588
Modern Pact tribal

>>52684220
Wouldn't this rule prevent shadow from working at all, since it affects cards that moved from one zone (hand) to the other (graveyard)?

>>52685450
What are you stupid? You see you almost have lethal so swing, kill their turn, and swing again for win. It's for when you know you have them next turn.

The flavor is a mad last push into a wild free fall with the other walker. Survivor "walks" away. Loser hits the ground.

So do we know the full set now or is there one more group of reveals tomorrow?

>>52686807
No.
Discard is an action not a zone, and it happens after the hand zone.
Even if it "forget" the zone it came from it remembers the last action it "interacted with".

>>52686868
There are 103 more cards to see. I suppose 10 of which are the other arts of basic lands, so 93 more dude

>>52686802
>RW
>red for the "extra turns then you lose" cards
>white for 8+ Gideons
>then all the pacts but the green one (since it's useless)
>free doom blade
>free counterspell
>free 4/4
>free life
It could actually work

>>52686891
Wait so are we going through next week as Well?

>>52686891
I'm betting we'll be getting another random uncommon that will break standard just like felidar did

>>52686929
Nah, the rest is coming all at once with the complete spoiler tomorrow. Then pre-release a week after that.

>>52686929
Perhaps not. We have many many left, but don't forget that once they've shown all the rares, which I don't know if they have, they do tend to do one final major dump of all the commons and uncommons.

I'm saying that I personally think tomorrow will be the last day, but it should be a big one. If not tomorrow, then Monday for sure will be the final dump

>>52686912
ABrupt decay ;)

>>52686912
>cast a pact
>opponent bolts the 3 loyalty gideon during your upkeep

>>52686981
Glorious End.

It doesn't counter, it exiles.

>>52686990
>what does pact of negation do

>>52687004
And you just timewalked yourself

>>52686966
They show off the full spoiler the friday a week before the prerelease so that everyone who DOES look at such has a week to look things over.

>>52687028
How many fucking pacts you got in your hand there? Can I pretend I have that much burn?

>>52687037
Dope. You know I like this set. I didn't get too much from it to be totally honest, but I happened to find many many legends in it I want to use. Honestly each and everyone of them has me interested, even if I may only build a few. Hapatra especially, I do like snakes. And that chick who's name is like Samus or something, a brutal creature who untaps, let's me run white in my Gruul. Dig it.

>>52683155
Mummy chickenwing will never not crack me up.

>>52687064
SURPRISE: the legendary.
Is it the opponent's turn? Surprise blocker!
Is it your turn? Surprise attacker!
Surprise, that exert dude is now untapped!
Just full of surprises!

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Fuck, I'd play it

>>52683523
>>52683537
These make me curious about the non-English editions. "Commit to memory" and "spring to mind" (especially the latter, where the card and the expression use different meanings of "spring") are a lot more idiomatic than "start to finish" and the like.

>>52687134
Everyone would.

>>52687134
that'd be one of the best lands ever printed, I'm pretty sure

>>52687134
>3 mana repeatable shock
I order 10 playsets

>>52687134
You'd be dumb not to jam 4 into every deck available.

>>52684647
The wurms are enough to keep flying creatures from even attacking you, although they don't have flying or reach, but non-fliers are perfectly happy to walk across them? What?

>>52687134
I wouldn't bother but then I'm trying to combo off on first two turns and I need colored mana for that.

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>>52687243
I'm guesing the original version made wurm tokens already blocking fliers - which means they didn't NEED reach, they just Already Blocked Them, like Flash Foliage here, but then nobody attacked with fliers at all so just simplified it
And then you still get wurms that can block landbound things regardless. Might be some thing from Creative where they can see aerial things easier than landbound or some shit to try to distance them slightly from their incredibly obvious inspiration.
Alternately, fliers can see that there are giant fucking wurms what will eat them and thus refuse to attack, while those on the ground cannot and thus walk right into the 5/5 wurm token

>>52687422
>I'm guesing the original version made wurm tokens already blocking fliers - which means they didn't NEED reach, they just Already Blocked Them, like Flash Foliage here, but then nobody attacked with fliers at all so just simplified it
>And then you still get wurms that can block landbound things regardless.
Would be solved by something like "At the beginning of each opponent's declare blockers step, create a phallic symbol blocking up to one creature with flying attacking you".

>>52685417
to fuck combos if you are playing aggro or gideon

>>52687495
Well yes, that would make sense.
But this is modern Magic development we're talking about.
They've lost all touch with reality.
'Oh, they aren't attacking with fliers at all? Let's just have it make fliers unable to attack.'
Only other thing I can possibly think of is they SOMEHOW thought an eight mana supercasual enchantment was 'too strong' with the four mana white token doubler.

>>52687509

>15 minutes into storm player's turn
>"And now I cast Grapeshot for a billion–"
>"NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!"

>>52685350
>play glorious end
>at my upkeep opponent plays glorious end
>loses
this will be great fun

>r/g legendary creature
>r/b legend
>b/g legend
>w/u legend

What are the odds we will get a simic legendary this set as well? Or will it not be likely because of nissa and bounty of the luxa already being spoiled?

>>52687680
None. Maro apparently confirmed there's no more legendary creatures to be spoiled this set.

>>52687674

Huh. If someone Glorious Ends you on your Glorious End granted turn, does that also exile your game-loss effect?

>>52687623

>can't win the next turn
>loses anyway

hue

>>52687771

Huh. Fling on a stick with some self-recursion for the late-game. Might help close out matches in limited.

Probably too weak for Standard and Modern, but could see the thing doing some work over in battlecruiser-land.

>>52685507
I just lost The Game.

>>52687763
No. It doesn't matter when your next end step is. However, if the lose-the-game ability is on the stack during your end step, and someone ends the turn (due to another Glorious End or perhaps Time Stop), then it won't trigger again.

>>52687771
fling plus a 4/3 seems kind of good. its not instant speed but embalm is value

>>52687243
they burrow hidey-holes for you to escape birb

>>52687771
>>52687847

Also is it just me or are there a lot of 4/3 creatures in this set?

>>52687786
Oh I'd for sure use it just to fuck with cat combo people.

If I can't win, I'm going to at least blueball my opponent.

>>52687771
Shit red is actually getting cards now.

>>52687771
wheres the token for this?

>>52683477
Some faggots are just gay, anon

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>>52687996
>>52687771

>>52687771
Hey, that dude spoiling things a few threads ago was right called this along with sandwurm convergence.

>>52688012
Did he say anything else?

>>52683155
How the fuck does it fly?

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>>52688092
Nope.

>>52683197
Catgirls are for sexual and the game is run by sex negative SJWs.

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>>52688107

>>52683240
Auto include in all the new 4c commander decks.

>>52687771
this isn't good but that art is insanely metal

I like it

>>52687847
Is flinging for value something that you think you really want to be doing though? like, not as a combo piece? it's hard for me to imagine the deck that wants that to happen

>>52687878
4/3 is the best p/t combination in Magic

>>52687969
DESU most of the cards that have gotten me most excited have been red. Not necessarily the best cards, but the most interesting to me

>>52688107
it's got wings

>>52687422
>Alternately, fliers can see that there are giant fucking wurms what will eat them and thus refuse to attack, while those on the ground cannot and thus walk right into the 5/5 wurm token
This is a pretty good explanation, actually, and I'm totally fine with it except for how it seems to taunt legendary badasses. Avacyn, equipped with Tatsumasa and a Fireshrieker, is outraged: "Yes I KNOW there are wurms there. Now let me go kill them all."

Remind me, do we know what makes the Hippo tokens?

My mind goes straight to Phelddagrif but the Phelddagrifs only make 1/1s.

>>52688226
there are loads and loads of wurms under the ground. every end step, one comes out from the ground under your control, but if a flying creature attacks, they all launch themselves through the air like projectile sandwurm missiles right at the thing.

>>52688226
And beside her, Isamaru is quite happily wielding 5 swords, an axe, 2 bows, a pair of scythes, and 3 suits of armor.
And the wall they're standing in front of looks quite spiffy with its sandals and boots.
Not everything is going to make complete sense in all circumstances.

>>52683429
Combat tricks scare MaRo.

>>52688242
One of the aftermath cards, Mouth//Feed

>>52688287
they're unfair to players who aren't good at Magic

>>52688299
Right, thanks. It was a little forgettable.

>>52688287
>>52688315
They seem to only have a hate for combat tricks on permanents. Especially repeatable ones.
They still print a million instants that give minor power/toughness changes and random keywords every set, after all.

>>52683240
Welp that's some spicy tron tech

>>52683637
It doesn't cost you a card so it's the same card advantage as a draw three. Unless they made it rare they had to make it 6 mana.

>>52688406
desu this feels like a really basic test of card evaluation

>>52683684
If it costed 2, Chalice of the Void wouldn't need to be banned in Legacy.

>>52688264
This is a better card you've designed.

>>52688441
I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

>>52688264
Now I want one.

>>52688656
I'm agreeing with you. Undervaluing the card advantage provided in this case, and undervaluing Aftermath cards seems like a really basic but also really widespread mistake in card evaluation, or maybe people just haven't played enough with flashback cards or something. I'm not saying they're all especially powerful but I think a lot of people are missing how much value Aftermath intrinsically has.

>>52686596

Well alright to be fair, you're not exactly looking to cast Hoof in that list.

>>52688721
I've noticed that myself - everyone is evaluating each individual half of the cards in a vacuum.
No shit it's going to be worse than the comparable cards, otherwise it would be strictly better because you get ANOTHER card to cast from your graveyard without having to draw it.

Aside from the gods and invocation frames being terrible, I kinda like this set. But then again I'm primarily an EDH player.

>>52687771
This combos greatly with megawurm!

And now I'm sad.

>>52688985
I actually think they're going to print the vanilla mythic next set or maybe next block

Seems like as good a reason as any for them to have reprinted Fling

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Postin the tokens for stuff that hasn't been spoiled yet

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>>52689228

>>52689228
What the entire fuck

>>52689228

A mummified...illusion?

How the fuck does that...

Magic, I guess.

>>52689228
I FEEL LIKE THE CARD IS GOING TO BE PLAYABLE.

>>52689259
>>52689268
>not embalming and preserving your illusions for future use
It's like you don't even want to serve the God-Pharoh.

>>52689268
Honestly an illusion creature already doesn't make any sense. How is an illusion going to deal damage? Like maybe milling, but not damage.

>>52689294

I always assumed it was a Phantasmal Killer kinda thing. If you fail your save to disbelieve it can harm you.

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Good for your Exert stuff

>>52686797
thats probably the worse iteration of the deck.

there are other versions which I think are better. one in which going infinite with Cloudstone curio is the main plan and has the combo as an alternative wincon and other with Beck/Call that relies more on the combo.

>>52689361
It's kinda neat. Save one of your attackers or just untap a dude, or remove one of their attackers and chump with a flashcoat bear.

>>52689228
i'm willing to bet this will be 3cmc to cast and 4cmc to embalm.

probably 2u to cast, 3u to embalm...but it could be 3w to embalm?

>>52689238
That's spicy, I feel like it's going to cost 7 mana

>>52689361
also hoses tokens

>>52689361
RIKE IT

>>52689444
I'm guessing six because we usually get a shitty white flyer at that spot.

Could be neat in Alesha EDH I guess.

>>52689425
if thats the case then its pretty shitty. its probably a 1W to cast and 2W to embalm. that'd be somewhat playable

>>52687771
There's a vagina doorway in the background.

>>52689473
the fact that it's an illusion makes me think it's probably blue. and blue rarely gets 2/3s for less than 3. it has a slight downside but embalm is also an upside.

if this was 1u that would be excellent. i don't know why it would be an illusion if it's not blue.

>>52689553
Because blue gets cheaper creatures when they're illusions that you have to sacrifice when they're targeted.

>>52687771
Right into my Omnath deck!
>>52683240
Right into my Sliver deck!

>>52689569
yeah but those creatures don't usually have recursion abilities. using two spells to kill a labyrinth guardian is awful card disadvantage.

most illusions also sac when targeted by spells or abilities. this one doesn't care about abilities which is a big upgrade.

>>52689228
>U to cast 1U to embalm.
Blue is the worst color at creatures and the color pie is sacred
-MaRo

>>52689538
Remember when the guy who did the artwork for the vagina mountain in origins was pretty embarassed when everyone started to point it out?

>>52684647
that anon from the thread was right

>>52689639
its probably at least 1U to cast and 3U to embalm

>>52689634
it all depends on the rarity if its a common or uncommon then its probably 2U to cast + 2 more to embalm if its rare then its -1 generic mana to everything. or maybe its 2U to cast and has a reduced embalm cost? hmmmm

>>52689640
Lol no, which mountain was it?

>>52689640
which one?

btw, have u guys noticed that all shocklands are ways to name vaginas? I read it in here but I thought it was appropriate to bring that up again

>>52689904
>>52689914
Noah Bradley's one I think.

>>52689904
>>52689914
Look for the Origins mountains and you'll find it instantly. It was on his twitter a couple years ago (when Origins was released).

>>52684853

This card is a fucking bomb in limited dude, game 1 especially.

>>52683684
Like the art (Love the demon design) but otherwise I'm not feeling it.

>>52684647
I really like this but I wish it was a bit cheaper.

>>52687771
Oh cool, a fling on a stick.

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>>52689904
>>52689914
>>52689923
If that's not a vagina and a clitoris, I don't what to believe anymore.

>>52689361
>is actually Egyptian
>is qt

High tier card

>>52690012
>he thinks vaginas have gears in them
/m/ is that you?

>>52690012
Since you've never seen one in real life, I guess you don't know what to believe.

[spoiier]I kid. You probably saw your mother's when you were born.[/spoiler]

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>>52690040

>make an artifact theme set
>make an artifact-hate themed set right afterwards

>>52689891
reduced embalm cost would be a neat change of pace. 2u to cast and then uw to embalm? uw to cast and then ub to embalm? come on wizards don't be stingy with that design space.

you are right tho, at rare it could be 1u to cast. it could be 1w to cast at uncommon if it wasn't an illusion. i wish i worked at wotc because i love stuff like this.

>>52689326
Yeah, when was the last time YOU rolled a will save in Magic?

>>52688225
(you)
you

>>52690059
So long as a Gideon planeswalker card is the most played card in the format they'll call it a success.

>>52689914

I always make this joke with my gf

>Ima tap your breeding pool tonight
>your overgrown tomb needs a trim
>let me enter your temple garden

>>52690059
Is there more than what, three cards?

And this isn't new, like printing Kataki the block after Mirrodin.

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>>52690059

I miss cheap decks that could have a decent winning rate like Heroic in Theros.
Those were good times were lande in Top 10 or even Top 5 playing MonoWhite Heroic and UW Heroic.

Now most decks need too much investing and those cheap decks have lower chances to place decently in a FNM.

>>52690012
>>52689953
>>52689923
Thanks gents.

>>52690457
Go get a new hobbie, poorfags are not allowed here.

>>52689914
Godless Shrine? Watery Grave? Seems a bit grim

>>52690494
You're making your virginity pretty damn obvious.

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>>52686588
>You can't lose the game if you have a Gideon
>For 3 mana
>In a 12 Gideon Standard
I even wanted to play this Meta but now I'm just going to have nightmares about Gideon Time Walking four turns in a row.

>>52690494

That's the fun, some of them are nice like sacred foundry (forging the next generation) and temple garden, some of them are disgusting like overgrown tomb and watery grave

>>52690494
sometimes a lady has a windswept heath downstairs, sometimes its a bloodstained mire. I feel lucky, my lady is more of a sheltered thicket than anything else.

>>52689914
>>52690494
It's actually fetches, and some shocks.

>>52690487
not him but I play mainly modern and edh, and honestly investing $300 in a tier 1 standard deck that will not hold its value within a year seems pretty ridiculous. I remember going almost undefeated on Origins game day with a fairly cheap mono red golbins deck when I had already switched into modern. that was sweet.

>>52690631
I agree, if I want spend money on cards that will be worthless, I'll just play limited. At least that way I can have fun rather than playing one of the only two or three viable decks in Standard.

>>52690601
Shocks check out, though.
>tap your Breeding Pool
>defile your Godless Shrine
>drink from your Hallowed Fountain
>loot your Overgrown Tomb
>enter your Sacred Foundry
>play in your Steam Vents
>smash your Stomping Ground
>take a walk in your Temple Garden
>something, something Watery Grave

>>52687771
Now we have a reason to put Gods into standard decks.

>>52687878
n/3 guarantees a usable card when Shock is the best removal, while ensuring zero potential most other formats because of bolt.

>>52690780
>3 Doublestrike
>3 Menace
>5 Flying
>5 Haste
>5 Deathtouch
Dude I'm not seeing it

>>52690441
>read test
Huh, looks like WotC actually learned from their mistakes for once
>check dates
wut

>>52690825
Sac a god, deal damage to target creature or player equals to the god's power.

Oketra's the only shitty God target for the manticore though.

>>52687828
lmao fuck you my dude

>>52690441
That is some Sean Spicer level stuff.

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Path of zombies

Fuck you Gideon.

>>52690995
BUT IS IT GOOD

>>52691014
>Human Warrior
>when it's clearly the Hound Cleric getting him motivated.

They don't think it be like this, but it do

>>52689361
Uncommon with mad utility.

Huh. Cool beans.

>>52691014
I'M RIIIIIIIIPPEDDDDDDD

>>52691059
>implying

probably only squats 2 plate

Two mana for the 2/3 illusion.

I don't know why people thought they'd make an illusion with a drawback but make it overcosted.

>>52691014
This is surprisingly decent.

>>52691049
Finally some enchantment hate. This set was looking pretty Urza like for a bit there.

>>52690995
It's unreal that such cool flavor gets stuck on such a garbage card. Like, I can't even
>>52691014
this art is outrageously cheesy
>>52691035
oh shit sempai

>>52691076
>>52691073
Yeah I feel like a 3/3 would have been fair. Or maybe a 2/4 so it could be a risky blocker

>>52690995
Get in there dude. Don't worry, it's safe. Trust me.

>>52691116
wait nevermind, i completely and utterly read that wrong. Ignore me and my idiocy.

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>>52691096
I have never gotten more erect from an art

>>52691152
I mean, you could enchant an enchantment

It's interesting to me how much the current shape of Standard affects our (or maybe just my) evaluation of this set

Really feels like so much of the value in this set is about being more control-y, or at least more oriented towards the long game - most obviously, with mechanics like Aftermath and Embalm, and with the brick counters. Which is kind of a weird fit with a Standard format that's enormously quick right now. Be interesting to see how it plays out.

>>52690769
>Bury myself in your Watery Grave

>>52683186
>>52683240
>>52683249
>>52683259
>>52683684
>>52685350
That's that shit I do like

>>52687771
Red is the best color this set, fuck the noise. BACK ON TOP

>>52691181
Is there any enchantment hate in this set yet? I only remember a couple permanent hate.

>>52691014

I can't read the card because I'm too busy laughing at the art

look at that fucking jackal, he loves it

>>52691127
>>52691019

They're pushing zombies super hard this set. It'll be a t2 deck at least.

>>52691049
BIRD FACE

>>52690995

>you can use zombies to take down Gods

ZOMBIE STRONK

>>52691264
Yeah, but is the best zombie deck actually going to be playing white?

>>52690995
I like this card. Using zombies to take down huge ships, elder eldritch horros and literal gods sounds like fun time.

>>52691286
It didn't work on Emrakul story-wise, might as well use this on less-powerful beings?

>>52691035
This one I really like.
they could have easily made its first ability only work on embalm but like this it gets far more usable.
Also the second ability is just gravy if you got the Throne.

>>52691035
I thought it was the card that would give embalm to cards in your grave, where is the card that gives embalm to cards in your grave!?

>>52691323
Why not?
White always has the best removal
Embalm makes white zombies
Gideon(s)
Zombies is going to be Esper colors until SOI rotates.

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>>52691367
Sedris loves it. Tons of EDH decks will use it for sure.

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>>52691261

>>52690995
>zombie time out

>>52690901
Fallen Maro, the corporate dog
XBB
Legendary creature-zombie jew elemental
When you cast fallen maro put X confusion counters on each player
(players with confusion counters can only play one spell per turn, cannot activate abilities at instant speed, or play cards printed before m15)
When fallen maro leaves the battlefield every player wins the game

>>52686571
Stompy player here. Between experiment one, rancor, avatar, and baloth, we usually have a 4+ power creature on the board by turn 2-3.

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>>52685350
Oh, lose the game will I?

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>>52691841
Yes

>>52691039

>Hound

Don't remind me, I'm still upset.

>>52691867
That's 3 times too strong for standard.

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>>52691919
>core set 2010
>core set 2011

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>>52687771
>red discarding left and right
>fling reprint
>a well curved creature that flings on ETB
Might as well fling a few of these at face if you can't use them.

>>52691944
2010 was 25 years ago

>>52691959
We also have Barrage Tyrant for more Fling tribal shenanigans.

>>52691014
[muffled Colossus roar in the background]

>>52691049
Is that a flying gator on the art?