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Could a red Hatebears deck be viable with this, Eidolon, Tunnel Ignus, and Zozu?

>>52682418
Probably

Make a list fag

>>52682435
Mono-Red HateBears
4 Harsh Mentor
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Ash Zealot
4 Tunnel Ignus
2 Zozu the Punisher
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Goblin Guide
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Simian Spirit Guide
22 Lands

Possibles-
Blood Knight

R8, H8, Specul8

>>52682586
Where is your magus of the moon faggot?

>>52682418
Well, it can be a pain for people using fetchlands (like the whole meta uses them) and they'd be forced to fetch basics/tapped shockland.

Affinity is pretty fucked too with him on the board.

>>52682614
Would Magus or just Blood Moon be better?

>>52682586
why not W-R hatebers??

>>52682586
Too many land, and I don't think you want SSG

>>52682655
usually hatebears runs A LOT of creatures

>>52682657
I was just spitballing. Boros Hatebears would likely be the better deck.
>>52682661
Helps accelerate hate out t1-2, but you're probably right.

>>52682690
uhmm, i dunno man...SSG seems a good sideboard option and in the right opening hand is VERY explosive and gives a huge tempo

>>52682657
What are the best white bears?

>>52682738
Thalia and Leonin Arbiter

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Boros Bears
4 Harsh Mentor
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Goblin Guide
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
4 Aether Vial
20 Lands

My idea for Boros bears since I want to build it now

4 Harsh Mentor
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Tunnel Ignus
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Goblin Guide
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
4 boros charm
1 lightning helix
Then lands

>>52682804
Think you need either SSG or Aether Vial, but not both. They can both be dead cards if you get too many in your opening hand. 2 lands, a guide, a Vial, a SSG, 2 bears makes a strange curve.
>>52683216
Looks like it could be fun.

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New Tron tech?

>>52683216
Put in boros reckoner.

If you're gonna meme, at least make DSJ groan at you landing a good blocker

>>52683381
4 color tron with bolas

>>52683382
And what do you think I should take out?

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What's the point of this stupid fucking faggot card? It'll never see any play anywhere except maybe vintage. It's lost legacy but it only targets an artifact, what a stupid fucking worthless faggot card

>>52682804

>4 Monastery Swiftspear
>no spells to make use of it

For what reason.The -1/-1 spewing guy is better.

>>52683826
lost legacy also replaces the card if it takes it from the hand

>>52683865
How so?

>>52683865
I wasn't thinking. The other guy isn't great either though.

>>52683826
Three mana hose a deck that relies on a specific artifact?

Probably a safety valve for Kaladesh

>>52684078

Not enough spells to make use of swiftspear. Most of the time it will be 1/2

>>52684161

True, possibly boros reckoner is the spiciest meme you can play anon.

>>52684205
Just in time too, any longer and something stupid would happen like there only be 2 viable standard decks

>>52684218

It does nothing against T2 heart. Yet it completely kills already struggling Colossus decks.

Path to exile is gay.

>>52684543
Agreed, people playing any colors but jund makes me so mad I throw my tendies on the floor

>>52684561
It wouldn't be so bad if it were sorcery speed.

Boros Bears 2.89
4 Harsh Mentor
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Tunnel Ignus
3 Dryad Militant
4 Goblin Guide
2 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
4 Aether Vial
20 Lands

R8, H8, Specul8

>>52684543
Yea but you're gay

>>52684696
Yeah, but I'm a top.

>>52684620
>Isamaru
Can I ask why anon?

>>52684726
1-drop bear to match the theme of course. Probably include a copy of Eiganjo Castle as well.

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r8 my modern deck

Also I need to make ~4 cuts, but the cards are all so powerful I can't decide

>>52684968
This is really good. Like, I think this could probably take down a GP or something. How has this deck not been made yet?

I'm no master brewer like you but I think the deck wants Cloudfin Raptor and Storm Crow to smooth out your curve.

>>52684968
Look at this scrub playing drakes in his bird tribal, they aren't an acceptable substitute for crows

>>52684780
Not a big fan of the land or dog but you do you

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Since the Buy-a-Box version of the Archfiend of Ilfinir is the canon version, which Archfiend should I buy for my Living End? One of each (probably will play 2)?
I'm so happy it has 4 thoughness and not 3, don't need to worry for the minotaurs, as much.

>>52684968
>no storm crow
0/10

>>52685016
Damn Cloudfin Raptor would slot in there perfectly.
Unfortunately I only have access to an old shoebox of junk cards that was sitting under my bed at the moment, from wherest this beast sprang.

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>>52682418
might as well go 3-color for bob brah

>>52685136
This dude looks scary as fuck. I think it's the neck and the eyes

>>52685136
Left most has the best art.

>>52685375
>3 color in an arbiter deck
This sounds terrible

>>52685136
>One of each
Fucking disgusting

>>52685784
did you actually look at the mana? it's fine.

>>52685999
Kys retarded namefaggot

>>52685854
Fine, 2 of the same like your parents

Tribal horrors? Does it exist?

>>52683826
thats the cycling demon isnt it? looks cool

>>52684968
10/10.

>>52686377
Probably

anyone else disappointed that the madness cards from SOI were made so underpowered because of flipjace? it wouldve been sweet to have madness synergies with all the discarding of amonkhet and looter scooter

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I'm going to test this in UW and Jeskai draw-go. It might be strong enough to do an Esper Charm impression in those decks. It certainly plays well with Snapcaster and Gearhulk.

>>52686827
But that's a bad card anon

>>52686827
>esper charm impression
It can't mind rot or kill enchantments so no. Espeer charm is good because of utility family

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What do you lads think? 2 mana for a 4/3 and a "downside" that can be a good thing depending on the deck.

>inb4 "dies to removal"

>>52686827
>Green gets 4 CMC draw three instants
>Blue gets shit like this

thanks MaRo!

>>52684714

path can be your bottom, fag

>>52687462
You can't Inb4 that shit. Most creatures pass the removal test if they do something even if they die or are so good it's worth the risk or have evasion /protection.
This is terrible if it just dies immediately

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>>52687604
>goyf is bad
>death's shadow is bad

>>52687636
Those cards are much better than this shit

>>52687462
>2 mana 4/3 discard a card
>even remotely playable
If the revolt one sees no play is see absolutely no reason why this one would.

>inb4 muh madness

>>52687636

goyf and ds don't give you -1 card if they die right away

>>52687636
Not what was said

>>52687636
neither goyf nor DS are shitty 4/3's that make you discard mong

>>52687462
At this point you might as well play Vexing Devil.

>>52687653
>>52687662
>>52687678

>There's no decks in modern that want to discard

/tg/ folks

>>52687688
Which deck would that be? Dredge certainly doesn't want this garbage

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new meme deck?

>>52687722
Deck does nothing without Gideon. You're gonna run the terrible planeswalker tutors too? Abrupt Decay just laughs

>>52687688
name one tiered deck that wants to play this garbage card

>inb4 dredge
Dredge has infinitely better enablers than this garbage

>>52687688
You got btfo, boyo

>>52687722
What would your curve look like? Visions, Spellskite, Gideon?

>>52687722
Probably less awful to play an isochron/grace deck that also plays new gid and the pacts

>>52687748
>Abrupt Decay
What the fuck do you think the pact of negation is for

>>52688457
(you)

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>>52688457

>>52687980
>>52688457
Skite, and you would probably want to at least board Ricochet/Swerve for the BGx matchups.

>>52687636
Didn't know those cards died to bolt
>comparing this card to the 2 best beaters in the game
Lelling

>>52683381
I'm actually gonna try making Bolas tron when this hits my LGS.

The question is what do I put in?

>>52689973
Stormtide leviathan for the luls

>>52689973
Cruel Ulitmatum of course.

>>52689973
>tfw hate Tron but love Bolas PW
Fuck. I-It'll just be a meme deck anyways!

>>52689973
Alright I made a list, it's a rough draft.

How shit it is

Land (23)
2x Cascading Cataracts
1x Island
1x Mountain
2x Shivan Reef
2x Sulfurous Springs
1x Swamp
2x Underground River
4x Urza's Mine
4x Urza's Power Plant
4x Urza's Tower
Sorcery (11)
4x Collective Brutality
3x Cruel Ultimatum
4x Dark Intimations
Instant (8)
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Mana Leak
Artifact (10)
3x Chromatic Sphere
3x Chromatic Star
4x Expedition Map
Planeswalker (4)
4x Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
Creature (4)
4x Wurmcoil Engine

>>52690948
>no tolaria west

>>52690948
Sylvan Scrying?
What is the point of this deck anyway? Bolas is shit compared to Karn and Ugin.

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>>52682418
How's that plus three of your boy there?

>>52690948
While not a hard counter, Remand does cantrip.

>>52690948
-3 Ultimatum
-1 Bolas
+2 Karn
+2 Ugin

>>52691186
Since you're just two colors I'd avoid the life loss from fetches, but I like the list. They also nonbo with Arbiter.

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>>52691282
So like this?

>>52690948
Memes updated incoming

3x Cascading Cataracts
3x Chromatic Sphere
3x Chromatic Star
4x Collective Brutality
2x Cruel Ultimatum
2x Dark Intimations
4x Expedition Map
2x Karn Liberated
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
4x Remand
2x Shivan Reef
2x Sulfurous Springs
1x Swamp
1x Tolaria West
2x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
2x Underground River
4x Urza's Mine
4x Urza's Power Plant
4x Urza's Tower
4x Wurmcoil Engine

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>>52691364
a friend pointed out the fastlands, done spamming now

Repeating Bad Dream
2B
Enchantment
~ enters the battlefield tapped
Sacrifice a creature, T: Return ~ to its owners hand. Return target creature from your graveyard to the battlefield.

Fixed modern, hire me wizards.

>>52691449

This card encroaches on Startled Awake's design space ;^)

>>52691449
Now gbx is 100%of the meta

>>52691176
>Bolas is shit
Not him, but with all the pushed walkers already in standard, there's an expectation that the Bolas confirmed in the next set or so is going to be equally pushed, and there, potentially good enough to break into Modern.

Hence "Bolas Tron" or more accurately, Grixis tron, since it's just aiming to color shift the deck.

That doesn't make the posted list anything but a shitbrew however.

>>52691481
How about this then?

Repeating Bad Dream
2B
Creature
2/2
Sacrifice a creature, T: Return ~ to its owners hand. Return target creature from your graveyard to the battlefield.

Now it dies to every thing.

>>52691567
Fuck off

>>52691659
not until wizards hires me.

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Can infect be saved?

>>52691732
infect was a mistake

>>52691732
Do any of us really deserve saving?

>>52691401
>leonin arbiter with no ghost quarter
>aether vial at all
aether vial in D&T lets you keep creatures coming even when you use ghost quarters to blow up lands and to instant speed a hand disruption spell
there's nothing in this list that an aether vial is helping with except flickerwisp/1 of selfless spirit. don't like it here.

What was the first deck that you took to a tournament?

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>>52691846
The glory of phyrexia is always worth saving, anon. Haven't you heard the good word of Yawgmoth?

>>52691960
Unfinished naya burn. Got second place, losing to abzan.

>>52691960
"tournament"? i have played paper modern like 5 times, borrowing decks. first was eldrazi and taxes.

>>52691960
WR Human Aggro way back in Scars-Innistrad Standard. It was basically a mash up of two starter decks and some rares I opened. I lost pretty hard.

For Modern specifically? A budget-ish BW Tokens deck I put together. I lost a little less hard.

>>52687722
>>52687980
>Visions
>Spellskite
>End
>3cmc Gid + some 4 or 5cmc ones
>Backup Angel's Grace
>all the Pacts but the G one
>Hivemind
>More card draw or disruption since half of your hand is free anyways
I think I could make a shitbrew out of this.

>>52691960
First non local tournament was Monoblack Aggro to States during Tome Spiral/Lorwyn block.

>>52687722
See >>52687748
The deck kind of falls apart without Gideon, and even with that online it seems cute rather than powerful. If you're going to play with Decay-bait Isochron Scepter is more flexible and doesn't require you to bend over backwards to play it.

>>52687722
I'm pretty sure gideon is going to be modern playable. Angels Grace for more memes.

>>52693129
>I'm pretty sure janky combos which don't win you the game and automatically lose to discard are going to be modern playable

>>52693146
Nonono. I'm pretty sure Gideon is going to be playable. I don't know about that specific deck, but this new gideon planeswalker is going to be.

3 mana for "I can't lose" on a permanent is pretty darn powerful.

>>52691449
enchants dont tap, artifacts do

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>>52694259
:^)

>tfw 3-0 with Forest Belcher tonight
People have no idea what to do against this thing, it's amazing

>>52694587
it will never be as fun as legacy belcher desu

>>52694575
>artifact

>>52694827
>enchantment

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Went 3-2 in my playtesting group losing to affinity and dredge but beating GW tron, shadow jund and grixis delver. Any tips? Elspeth and beefslab are pretty good together.

>>52694843
If it wasnt an artifact it wouldnt have a tap ability.

>>52694684
I have that. I turn Legacy Belcher into Forest Belcher for when I want to play Modern

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>>52694259
Blow me

>>52694877
>Any tips?

Move out of your mom's house.

>>52694920
????
It's just me and my gf. What gave you the impression that I still live with mommy?

>>52694919
Time Spiral doesn't count and we both know it

>>52694919
Citing Time Spiral block as a precedent for anything is like citing Chronicles as an excuse for the Reserve List.

>>52694982
I know, I'm just funposting.
Its Future Sight by the way, not Time Spiral

>>52694982
>>52695011
Why?

>>52694877
I'm no hatebears expert but Wilt-Leaf seems like trash unless your meta is absolutely infested with BGx decks. I think you're also supposed to be running some number of Qasali Pridemage and Aven Mindcensor.

Maybe try Kataki, War's Wage in the side for affinity and Rest in Peace for dredge?

>>52695038
>using a set that deliberately and intentionally breaks the color pie and plays with bizarre design space.

Gee, George, I dunno.

>>52695033
Time Spiral is the block as well as the first set.
>>52694982
>inb4 the future-shifted card sees print

>>52694877
What did you take this picture with?

>>52695070
>unless your meta is absolutely infested with BGx
yes this is modern

>>52695071
That's ok.

>>52694920
>he doesn't live with mommy
>he doesn't use his GBP to buy packs of Modern masters because mommy won't let you order from shady magic salesman online with her credit card
smug pepe.jpg

>>52695089
Hey man, you never know. There hasn't been a regular GBx player at my store for over a year now.

>>52694877

No Aether Vials? Vials will let you be more aggressive with the Ghost Quarters and still let you retain the ability to drop 3-4 cmc dudes. Game 2 on the draw you can side most out and your opponent will dilute their deck with artifact hate.

Is Storm actually good now?
I have a hard time wanting to believe it with eight goblin electromancers and no more g probe.

>>52694877
Run Renegade Rallier and crucible for memey strip mine plays with arbiter

>>52695252
It's very consistent in a format that wants to interact as little as possible. The deck can go off on turn 3 with relative frequency and can almost always go off turn 4.

>>52694919
Nigger can you read?
>enchanted creature

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>>52695356
Can you? You don't tap the creature to activate the ability, you tap the enchantment to give the enchanted creature +2/-2.

>>52695356
The aura has the ability; the aura does not grant the ability to the creature.

You made my day a bit worse. I'm going to sleep now.

>>52695292
Alright fuck it I'm making Storm then; I love casting some Gifts Ungiven.

>>52695440
Is going to be banned

>>52695461
How could they even ban the deck more than it already has been?

>>52695500
they'd just kill it at this point or ban serum visions and leave us without any cantrips

>>52695440

Gifts is a lot less fun when it reads "you win the game"

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>>52694877

Drop the Selfless Spirits. Or just keep 1, you're not really a super go wide board and most of the time you're attacking with mostly only 2-3 dudes that are super huge. You're already good with 2 for 1 values or taxing your opponents. Replace with 2 Qasali Pridemage's in the main, exalted plus artifact/enchantment hate and a dual GW creature to boost off from Wilt Leaf. If you drop the third Selfless Spirit I'd add a third Wilt Leaf.

Also really really grab Aether Vials. Drop the Cavern of Souls and add a Stirring Wildwood. More resilient board hate and also dual GW that because super huge. CIPT doesn't matter too much since your 1 drops are not absolutely crucial for your deck to formulate its plan.

Here's the list I run in paper but i'm just copying to xmage for reference.

>>52695521
When WotC bans all of the blue cards I guess I just have to give up and find another game.

>>52695076
My phone, a Note 3

>>52695220
Those late game vial draws suck and how I lost a good percentage of my games when running it.

>>52695607
Looking sweet! How do you like tec edge over Gavony Township?

>>52695836
>>52695862

Seeing as you're replying to two of my posts i'll just double reply here.

Of course Vial sucks when drawn late but that doesn't make the card bad. There's plenty of good cards that are terrible when drawn late but if you personally prefer no-Vials that's still fine.

As for Tec Edge over Gavony Township my cheap dudes are generally already quite big anyway and good at combat so most of the time I don't need to pump up anymore. Also there are times when you want your Noble Hierarchs to be 0 power so you can attack through Ensnaring bridges for free. So the Tec Edge is just my concession to Tron type decks and forcing my other opponents to play a more honest mana base.

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Mechanics you miss.

>>52695944
Ninjitsu
Unearth

>>52695944
Protection, 2 cmc hard counters.

>>52695944

Colour specific hate cards like Celestial Purge, Pyroblast and Deathmark for examples. Not so much cards like Chill or Anarchy. More pinpoint expendable hate cards is fine.

>>52695944
Trample.

>>52695609
they didn't know what they were doing when they designed blue and made a lot of the cards overpowered. Good thing they rectify it by printing balanced version of the cards and banning the broken ones :^)

>>52695944
Infect.

>>52696498
Truly hilarious
Kill yourself

is there any creatures besides strangleroot geist that would work well in stompy with the new 2 mana 4/4? I would think young wolf isn't good enough

My lgs has added a modern fnm where it's usually only got legacy/edh guys.

I'd like to give it a go but not more than $300.

What's the trolliest deck I can build to piss everyone off at that price?

>>52697253
Spellweaver Helix.

>>52697253

Naya Allies should be roughly within that price.

If you want definite hilarity then go with Seismic Swans

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-seismic-swans#paper

>>52694259
The future shifted enchantments that tap were good design.

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>>52697253
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/23-01-17-bantchantress/

But if they know you're coming I'd pack a lot of negates and dispels lol

>>52682418
RIP Knightfall

Do you think MD Leyline of Sanctity could work in UW control? Seems pretty strong right now against the top decks and makes some harder MUs a lot easier in g1.

Guys i ahve been away for quite sometime, how come death's shadow is not a memedeck anymore? Did it just get better? Any new cards for it or just meta? Also how come scapeshift is considered better now?

>>52694877
Oy vey

>>52699335
People just kinda realized that life totals dont matter as much as everybody thought

>>52699449
Funny, death shadow was in the bulk rare bin for the longest time and now it's the best threat in modern currently.

>>52699555
Maybe because every other deck got banned?

>>52699555
>>52699695
Also because traverse the ulvenwald got printed. Now you can go low life to play DS and have a mean to find another to justify having low life.

>>52699704
Yeah Traverse let's you run 8 of them, it's why it's better than Grixis, cause if you didn't find a Deaths shadow shocking yourself and cycling street wraiths isn't that great

>>52699695

It's more like people realised you could cast a bigger body than Goyf for 1 less mana and you don't even need to do much effort to get there other than play lands and shock yourself.

Also during when Dredge was more prevalent and people were packing grave hate abound Death's Shadow could retain its huge size where as Goyf would shrink.

Full Spoiler is out.

Living End got more new toys.

>>52700183
>no Black nor Red Cycle creatures
I'm quite disappointed, but was expected.
Still Archfiend is Boss in the Deck. Easy mana costs (to hardcast), good body (4 thoughtness, allows to survive agaisnt 1 Deadshot Minotaur) and amazing ability (giving even a better matchup against zoo Decks or countering Arcbound Ravager).
The only con is the cycle (2) but at least it isn't colored.

>>52700337
What are you talking about there's a few good black and red 1 mana cyclers

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Playable?

>>52700389
Could be delver 5-8 in the right deck

>>52700422
I feel like it would definitely have to be played next to bolt to allow early plays

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I feel like this could see some play in some hate bear decks, maybe even coco decks

>>52700389
If you have creatures with sacrifice effects or plenty of removal. You would always want to be casting it for (B), but then the question becomes what you are really wanting it for. Is it good enough as an undercosted creature in midrange decks? Does it work with a sacrifice synergy?

>>52700442
Well you have 4 bolts and pushes
and you get to cast if for one if they upkeep kill your delver

>>52700389

There's definitely potential for it. You can easily just Fatal Push something and then drop this out on turn 2.

>>52700464
It's too bad it can't get back Kitchen Finks.

>>52700506
I feel like the death touch is pretty relevant too. I bet this finds a home in Grixis delver

>>52700523

The deathtouch is most definitely 100% relevant. Topdecking a Delver of Secrets lategame feels bad but this at least can trade against something big and block flyers.

>>52700389
This seems very efficient in a deck with smallpox.

And innocent blood if they ever fucking reprint it.

You think the blue and black cycling enchantments could make a deck? I know 3 mana is a lot for having no immediate impact but they seem like together they could really grind the opponent down while cycling for answers to stuff.

>>52700474

>upkeep kill your delver
more like bolt in response to your swing and you main phase 2 play it

same end result but you know

>>52700797
Blue Living End could become a thing.

>>52700991

>multiple flavors of living end in the same format

my kithkin deck is doomed :(

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Affinity player here, what's a good second deck to start working on? At the moment I'm leaning towards Tron or Dredge, but I'm open to suggestions.

A little info: I'm not interested in playing fair and I also don't want a repetitive combo like Ad Nauseam.

Or you know, just call me names or whatever. It's all good.

>>52701071
I'd say tron.

>The green and black pandering continues

Why do I play this game? Who thought it was a good idea to make the 1 cmc w removal spell tribe specific? It already wasn't great to begin with.

>>52700389
Am I retarded to think that this is essentially delver 2.0? Not as good in legacy I guess cause less creature decks, but in modern I feel like it's almost easier to turn on

>>52701071

I wasn't gonna call you a fag but you asked for it

Fag

>>52701071
>not interested in a repetitive combo
>but leaning towards tron

Tron is a repetitive combo deck, cuck.

>>52701216
Tron is control.

>>52701352
Then I'd recommend thopter sword, it's another cool control deck

>>52701352
>plays almost no removal or traditional control cards
>entire gameplan is to assemble a specific set of 3 cards that in combination allow you to win the game.
>not a combo

>>52701399
>plays almost no removal or traditional control cards
Um... Oblivion stone? Karn? Ugin? White variants?

>>52701434
Karn/Ugin are win conditions anon. The opponent scoops when they land.

Oblivion stone is a legitimate point, but it doesn't by itself a control deck make.

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I N F I N I T E M A N A

>>52701464
You also scoop to a traditional control deck once they turn the corner and have inevitability.

>>52701495
Does this work? It''s a cost, can you pay it if it doesn't actually happen?
Seems pretty fragile either way, but I'm sure there's more things that combo with it to make it better

>>52701515
You also scoop to a traditional combo deck once they assemble their specific combination of cards and cast the finisher.

>>52701495
Yep, now you just need to draw all the pieces and hope your opponent doesn't have any removal at all.

>>52701527
I'm pretty sure it works, you're paying the cost but it gets replaced.

>>52701495
Doesn't work, the cost doesn't get paid. If it worked, Melira + Devoted Druid would've been busted and then banned years ago.

>>52701557
>Creatures you control can't have -1/-1 counters placed on them.

>>52701557
Not the same. Melira prevents you from putting on -1/-1 counters, Vizier replaces it.

>>52701527
>>52701557
Relevant rule:

"117.11. The actions performed when paying a cost may be modified by effects. Even if they are, meaning the actions that are performed don’t match the actions that are called for, the cost has still been paid.
Example: A player controls Psychic Vortex, an enchantment with a cumulative upkeep cost
of “Draw a card,” and Obstinate Familiar, a creature that says “If you would draw a card,
you may skip that draw instead.” The player may decide to pay Psychic Vortex’s cumulative
upkeep cost and then draw no cards instead of drawing the appropriate amount. The cumulative upkeep cost has still been paid."

>>52701352
I hate this meme

>>52700464
Yeah seems good with wall of Omens, tidehollow sculler, that kind of stuff. Renegade rallier type of deck. Exert might be too much of a cost though.

>>52701164
It's not delver 2.0 needing a creature to die is a huge cost. Also delver can start swinging turn 2, and this cannot.

>>52701495
Run it in a chord deck with emrakul, midrange and finks, coco into these 2 then chord out emrakul on untap, seems real legit, doesn't even need black

>>52700057
Traverse for ranger is just gross

>>52701743
In theory it can when on the draw. Your opponent would need to play a 1 toughness creature and you would need to have gut shot.

>>52701758
Traverse for rampager, shriekmaw, ranger, it's fucking worldly tutor it's real good

>>52701743
>Delver can start swinging turn 2
Yeah, modern delver usually does not

>>52696>>52697253
Forest Belcher

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>>52698771

>loads of 1x
>Cryptolith Rite
>no courser
>random Eldrazi Conscription

What the flying fuck anon

>>52701495
I'm making this deck, chord of calling and walking ballista seem good, what are some other x mana cards I can use with that?

>>52702334
Genesis Wave

>>52702349
I DOnt think it's good enough on it's on to include it in the deck, only is good if you hit the combo

>>52701495
Play with chord of calling as a tutor for the combo and a win condition when you have the combo out,
traverse,
Coco,
eternal witness,
This is good spice

>>52702495
Chord for emrakul

>>52702334
Banefire

>>52702334
ballista is the best mana kill, right now
with chord and ballista maybe a trinket mage could be useful...
by the way this kind of combo deck are pretty dead on arrival

>>52702549
How is it dead on arrival? If you coco into those 2 cards with a chord, emrakul or ballista in hand it's gg

>>52702834
>If you coco into those 2 cards with a chord, emrakul or ballista in hand it's gg

That's just a lot of if's

>>52702834
>If you spellweaver helix with a worldfire and flame jab in the graveyard and another flame jab in your hand or in the graveyard while a land is in your hand it's gg
TIER 1 HERE I COME

>>52702834

>chord in hand

desu I think you run summoners pact or primal command for this deck so you can pull a ballista to hand, ballista is also not strictly a combo kill, you can 1 for 1 a dork t2 on the play, and later on e-wit it. renegade rallier also hits either of the pieces.

deck might be cool, honestly.

>>52702876
Literally more easily achievable than getting a finks melira and deer in play, and that's a viable deck. And there would be 9 targets for hand between 4 chord 4 ballista and 1 emrakul. You guys are retarded it's a 2 card 4 mana infinite combo, this will be a deck

>>52702904
Chord for emrakul or one of the combo pieces if you already have a finisher in hand

>>52702939
Also I should add this combo doesn't even use the graveyard like avian coco

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>tfw no Shai hulud

>>52702889

what the fuck deck even does this?

>>52702957
At least we have the Brian Herbert books :^)

>>52703001
some autists shitty meme deck that gets spammed in these threads

>>52685136
You shouldn't buy any because this card does not go into living end

>>52703001
>he doesn't know
Game 1 will be so free.

>>52701071

>Not interested in playing fair

Play Ponza desu

>>52703016
Pls stop. It hurts. I'll just cram the new wurm in living end and call it a day I guess

>>52691960
Depends on what you consider a tournament. I think the first serious event I ever played was with Jund at a PPTQ. Years before that I would show up to some some of the tournaments held at my LGS with Assault Loam

>>52702924
>You guys are retarded it's a 2 card 4 mana infinite combo, this will be a deck

It will be a deck, I just don't see it revolutionizing modern or anything.

It does seem sweet in an abzan coco deck though.

>>52700389
This looks good actually.

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>>52702924
ladies and gentleman /tg/modern/

>>52700389
>>52700629

maybe a rakdos/mardu build? turn 1 hand disruption, turn 2 young pyro, turn 3 smallpox/bolt/push the opponents creature?

>>52682398
Where did you get those HD card pictures from?

>>52696498
I love that twin was banned so that I can drink tears like yours every time I lurk a modern thread

>>52703432
OK. Stay petty and angry lmao

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okay /tg/, now that the dust is settled. have you see any interesting card from Amonkhet?
>pic related
is the mine.
no order involved

>>52703582
These are mostly awful desu.

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Anyone know where to get more HD cards like in OP?

>>52703614
did you have found any better?

>>52703643
No because this entire set blows

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>>52703643
I'm busy excited for the cyclers to throw into living end. Maybe I'll use the trample lord jackal as sideboard in rug delver to combat token chump blocking.
Overall, pretty low power. Waiting for hour of devastation

>>52703668
What's new?

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>>52703582
I think Rhonas is good enough for mono-green stompy, but obviously that's not really saying much to its overall playability. I also think the black pseudo-delver they just revealed today has potential, as do Enigma Drake and Gideon of the Trials.

I'm also of the opinion that Harsh Mentor will be playable as sideboard material for burn, with maybe the chance to be a 1-2 of in the mainboard in the right meta.

Overall I'm pretty underwhelmed with the set though.

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>>52703784
Think this guy is good enough for Living End?

any big creatures that have haste and have an etb effect? i'm brewing jank with footsteps of the goryo

>>52703825
I think so. Jungle weaver is out. Reach is hardly relevant after a living end and this guy can't really be chumped.
Seems like he'll be competing with archfiend of ifnir for a spot however

>>52703825
>tfw no 20/20 vanilla legend

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>>52703872
Don't remind me anon. The memory is too painful.

4x Birds of Paradise
4x Devoted Druid
4x vizier of remedies
1x emrakul
4x chord of calling
4x collected company
4x walking ballista
Real consistent, fill in the rest yourself to your meta, really seems good, and doesn't rely on the graveyard, almost every time it's a turn 4 Emrakul or ballista kill, 21 lands, but yeah you fill in the rest

>>52704111

Wouldn't you prefer some creature tutors that go to hand rather than battlefield so you can get emrakul or ballista to hand?

Seems cool though btw

>>52704111
needs Eernal Witness as well to buyback chord/combo pieces from the yard and for coco value.

>>52703794
I generally agree with you, with the exception of Enigma Drake. I don't really see any potential there beyond the kitchen table. (I will be retooling my kitchen Twin deck to be more UR tempo. 4 Enigma Drake, 4 Spellheart Chimera, and a bunch of cheap removal, counterspells and cantrips. It'll be fun, at least.)

>>52704144
What creature tutors are we talking about? Chording for emrakul is as good as a win desu

>>52704149
Yeah I'm thinking ewit and rallier

>>52704165

Oh I gotcha, fair enough, I was thinking you wanted the extra turn but I suppose that's unnecessary

>>52704111
toss in a banefire for the memes

>>52704156
I feel like the 4 toughness might let it see some fringe play in the right deck.

>>52704111
Fuck that actually seems real good and you can run RIP out of the board unlike the other decks besides angel feeder which is meh anyways

Devoted Druid buyout, buy your playsets for 10 dollars now

>>52704165

>emrakul

why are you so insistent on this? ballista does a better job. Chord doesn't give emrakul haste so you need to chord at their EoT when you already have the combo in play which you want to win that turn.

I'm of the mindset you want to run summoners pacts and slam a million million ballista that turn and ping out their life. if you really want chord to hit your wincon AND your combo pieces, play a 1-of trinket mage or some shit so you can pull your ballista to hand.

Emrakul isn't what this deck wants, other decks that run emrakul give her haste. you aren't gonna have the 1 of in your hand to hard cast her which means you have to wait til your turn comes around to swing again.

>>52701495

I ran the Devoted Druid combo with Ezuri before in Elves. While this combo is cheap it's also very easy to disrupt as well without a payoff to stabilise or win asap. No point in generating infinite mana if you have nothing to pay off with it. At least with Ezuri+Devoted Druid you can gear up for a super huge overrun to win that same turn.

>>52682398
what are some of the better decks for new players right now? or should i wait until amonket comes out for decks with thoes cards?

>>52704111

You know I can cast Emrakul for free by playing Possibility Storm and then casting an Endless One? That's a 2 card combo that doesn't even require infinite mana. I can even Transmute for the Endless One with a Tolaria West. You can put the white dude in an Abzan CoCo shell for sure but what you're trying to do is too ambitious and too complex for a payoff that can be achieved much easier with other means.

>>52704354
Why the fuck can't these assholes just invest in actual stocks.

STOP SHITTING UP MY CHILDRENS CARD GAME YOU FUCKING KIKES

>>52703631
side note this is the kind of good card wizards is afraid of printing. its not op but its not shit eitehr

>>52704469

But possibility storm is 5 mana, his combo pieces are 2 mana

>>52704403
You run a single emrakul because you want 4 chords in your deck anyways, name a better chord target with infinite mana, you're just running 1

>>52704588

Seems pretty shit to me

>>52704599
It's more of the fact that possibility storm is a retarded deck restrictor

>>52704469
>>52704599
Not to mention more often than not you'll be flashing in at least half of your combo with CoCo so you can potentially go off much sooner

>>52704620

I literally fucking named one in my post

>>52704599

His combo pieces are also and I hate to use the "dies to removal argument" but they are heavily dead to a crapload of common creature removal. At least Possibility Storm fucks up your opponents lines of play as it randomly plays a different spell in their deck of the same type instead making it harder to disrupt. You might even have the way to make infinite mana but no payoff card in hand.

Sncreenshotting all the people saying this is bad, Sam black is already on stream saying it's going to break modern ;)

>>52704670
And Exarch died to everything that isn't bolt, what's your point?

>>52704703
devoted druid is already being bought out

>>52704703
Whir for Grafdigger's :^)

>>52704753
In response chord for pride mage ;)

>>52704775
Okay my bridge is already out :^)

>>52704809
Ballista goes under bridge <@;^D

>>52704836
Touche. I'll grab pithing needle next time

New bread

>>52704867

>>52704728

Not even close to an apt comparison mate.

Exarch wasn't even required to win in the deck it was played in. Furthermore it required your opponent to keep extra mana open after a certain turn so it was effectively taxing them. Exarch was also part of a two card combo that would win immediately when it was assembled and it would win within those two cards alone. A good traditional non-storm combo deck should be resolving two or less cards and immediately getting the payoff then if not winning immediately, think of Ad Nauseam+Angel's Grace, it does not care whether the Lightning Storm is in hand or not, once the two card combo resolves it is going to find the wincon asap within those two cards resolving. What you're looking at with Devoted Druid and Vizier of Remedies is really a three card combo with no guarantee to find the third card. Even the Melira+Finks combo can stabilize its position so it's in no danger of dying to conventional strategies and then eventually find the Red Cap. Once it goes off there's pretty much a wincon established right there and then.

You can go off with Devoted Druid and Vizier of Remedies but all you do is make a crapload of mana amongst two permanents that are the most likely types to get hit with something right now in the format without a payoff card. You're effectively requiring a three card combo in hand to have this work.

>>52704853
Coco into Rec Sage

>>52704753
>>52704775
Sometimes I just whir for 3-4 to throw people off because it's X or less