Who was most right? Who was most wrong?

>>52672978
All of them were most right.
All of them were most wrong.

However, the expansion factions were least most right and most most wrong.

They were all different flavours of wrong.

It's like Bioshock. It's a bunch of ideologies exaggerated to grotesque extremes with no moderating influences unless it's the faction you play as.

>>52672978
>Who was most right?
Morgan or Santiago, depending on whether you think militarists or libertarians are further right.

>Who was most right?
Deidre or Santiago, depending on who you think has the biggest tits

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>>52673130
>It's a bunch of ideologies exaggerated to grotesque extremes with no moderating influences unless it's the faction you play as.
>Implying there's anything wrong with extremist anarcho-capitalism
Keep that up and I'm going to buy your house from your landlord so I can shoot you in the face for violating the NAP, bucko.

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>>52672978
Hive. Because they're all about transcending matter and in the end you fuse with the planet.

>>52672978

Giaians are fucking terrifying

On the surface they seem kinda alright maybe a little to good but fucking turning an entire alien species into your own personal bio weapon is wrong

>>52672978
Right about what?

>>52673545
Right about who's wrong

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Aki Zeta a cute! CUTE!

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>>52673747

>>52673651
Oh. All of them then. Especially Planet.

>>52672978
The most right faction was the one that valued individual freedom the most. The most wrong faction was the one that valued individual freedom the least.

>>52672978

A 2-2 tie and is declared victor? No wonder they were ejected from Earth to die on a planet that wants to eat them.

Also Santiago. Batshit.

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>>52672978
MIRIAM WAS RIGHT

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>>52673539

Every faction has a dark side. Every faction can become a utopia or a dystopia, depending on how you play them.

That's really my favorite thing about the game.

>>52673086

Other than incompetent bureaucrats and one over-quoted bit about cloning his dead wife, what did Lal do wrong?

>>52673907

>A 2-2 tie
>262 votes to 24

It's not one vote per faction, my dude. It's portion of the planetary population, with some secret project modifiers.

Brother Lal might still get on the talk shows, but with 4 votes he can't really claim to speak for the people.

>>52673994
He's hidebound. He's clinging to a past that failed. His entire character is "Let's do this again! I'm sure it won't go awful this time! Human nature has surely changed!"

I'm getting sick of explaining this, honestly.

>>52672978
>Morgan
>Home Depot©®™ presents: your Corporate Dystopian Future©®™ Deluxe Edition!

>Yang
>Communist China in its worst years turned up to 11. Have fun being shot for treason (littering) and your remains turned into a genejack.

>Prokhor
>Mad Scientist: The State, with a generous dose of actual autism.

>Deirdre
>Sure, let's put alien worms into our urethras and inject ground fungus into our eyeballs!

>Santiago
>What, you don't want to get shot at the frontlines? Too bad, you get shot for desertion!

>Miriam
Westboro Baptists: The State, with a generous dose of bipolar disorder.

>Lal
Remember all that bullshit that made the Earth a shithole so we had to get out of there? Let's do it all over again!

>>52674483
ENGAGE STERILIZATION PROTOCOLS

Reminder that whatever you think about her, miriam was probably the most sane leader given how shit tends to pan out.
Lal was the most humane though since that's his entire thing.

>>52673362

Good luck finding them

>>52672978
Santiago, without a doubt. If it weren't for her, the factions wouldn't have split up aboard the ship before landing on Planet

>>52673916
This

>>52673994
>>52674059
Lal did nothing wrong. If he's guilty of anything, it's being weak-wristed.

>>52674545
>most sane
>lead entire population through gate to whoknowswhatprobablynothing after losing war she started

Its like being the snake with the most practical suspenders.

>>52673994
Trying to maintain a 20th century failed global peace bureaucracy on a radically different planet with rapidly dehumanizing technology.

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>>52674702
So what you're saying is, Zakharov Did Nothing Wrong?

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>>52674732
you could say that

>>52672978
Cool traditional game, faggot!

>>52672978
In order:
Science bitch
Nature bitch
Corp Nigger

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>>52672978
Science up in this mother fucker

>>52674732
>notlaughingbecausetheygotnervestapleddrones.jpg

>>52673539
The point was they are all horrific. You see the end results of all sorts of things, but gloss over the horrific forced/directed/mandated research that must be done.

>>52674760
don't lie, this game's older then you are

>>52674642
>Lal did nothing wrong.

Curry-nigger cloned his dead wife and forced her to love him, was 'elected' in perpetuity as the leader of a democratic nation. Obfuscated the lower classes with byzantine bureaucracy and allowed rampant corruption to flourish.

>>52674760
Still more traditional than you.

>>52674801
Nah. It's doesn't belong here in any case, fuck off to /v/

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>>52674836
This game has been featured on /tg/ longer than you have, drone.

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>>52674836
I wouldn't a gurps, but people do.

Best option imo would be to get a few friends who love the game together and play Kingdom or Microscope with it.

>>52674836
No, it probably doesn't, but it's been this way for years and years, the threads come once every blue moon, and world's kept spinning. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill

>>52674873
>Kingdom
>Microscope
Please tell me about these games.

>>52674836
Hello new friend, do I need to dig out commander keen to tell you the facts of life.

>>52674873
Why don't we make a DOOM thread then, there are several boardgames based on it.

>>52674881
I really couldn't care less if it's been done before, it's not a justification for breaking the rules.

>>52674849
>>52674909
Grognards are worse than shit worms.

>>52674992
hownew.ru

>>52674900
They're both by the same guy. They're abstract collaborative story telling exercises with frameworks. Microscope focuses more on a historical timeline/epoc that you start with knowing the beginning and end of, everyone fills in the details. Kingdom is more about a specific region, area, with powerful and influential players and negotiated roles. I like microscope more in terms of design and scope, but only played kingdom once.

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>>52674992
>Why don't we make a DOOM thread then, there are several boardgames based on it
Because it never got popular here. Elder Scrolls DID get popular, though, and we make threads of that.

>>52674815
>That entire post
Have you played the game at all? It reads like a third hand account bastardisied by your desire to be right without knowing fuck all.

>>52674992
>doomguy threads haven't been a thing for ages

people who go into threads they don't care about to be mad are the worst

>>52673362
Andrew Ryan violated the NAP when he tried to establish contraband rules. Andrew Ryan failed to live up to John Galt's example.

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>>52674992
well I guess that makes you a furfag then

>>52675027
>Starts with -1 Efficiency (U.N. style bureaucracy)
>I loved my chosen. How then to face the day when she left me? So I took from her body a single cell, perhaps to love her again.
>Rank Director

>>52672978
M O R G A N
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>>52675019
Cool.
Do you have any links to them?

>>52673539
>turning an entire alien species into your own personal bio weapon is wrong

Isn't that basically what humanity already did with dogs?

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>>52673362
Honestly, I really want to replay Alpha Centauri and just run Morgan going full on ANCAP meme/Helicopter ride giving asshole on the whole of planet. Going to glass over everyone and build parody fast food restaurents of their former ideologies ontop of the ruins with them as wage-slave junior managers inside them.

>>52675132
dogs didn't crawl into your brain through your eye sockets

>>52675132
>Forcing people to be mind-raped until some are able, through sheer force of will, dominate and forge a connection with the neutral network of an emerging, quasi-sentient planetary body.

>>52675164

Give it another couple hundred years of breeding.

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>>52675164
No, that's cats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

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>>52675191
>Implying cats didn't domesticate us.

>>52675094
So yeah, thanks for proving what I said but you could have just not posted.

The ideologies of all the leaders are all "wrong" as it has been put, clinging to the past to the detriment of being able to deal with the future is Lal's main issue, to overly simplify, though it's likely others in the thread shall go into more depth discussion about it.

>>52675191

>Breeding mind cat swarms

>Sending them against enemy nations

>Soldiers lay down their arms and surrender to the purring mass of fur and flesh, to be devoured and join the greater harmony

>Then when it returns it just stops at the border meowing to be let in. Then when you open the door it leaves again. This continues for hours.

>>52675123
>http://www.uploadman.com/22c390c5049b2ac6
Sorry for the shitsite. The writer is pretty ontop of sites, terms of service violations, takedowns etc. It'll probably get taken down quickly.

I went and got a hardcopy of microscope anyway cause I liked it.

>>52675262
Thank you very much

>>52675246
I do this in Stellaris multiplayer. Play as cat people with a custom cat namelist. Start wars with "open borders" as the only demand. Win. Immediately declare a rivalry. When the ten year truce ends, start the war again. Repeat until I get my shit shoved in or something major happens.

>>52673966
In what scenario is the Human Hive anything but dystopian?

>>52673362
Did you forget the part where Andrew Ryan couldn't play by his own rules?

>>52675228
You failed to explain why I was wrong, please do so without ad-hominen, straw-men or otherwise.

I have given my reasons as to why arguably Lan is not 'good' or 'noble' as he likes to be called, or even Democratic.

>>52672978

In order from right to wrong:
University
Gaia
Lal
Morgan
Santiago
Yang
Miriam

>>52675384
>I have given my reasons as to why arguably Lan is not 'good' or 'noble' as he likes to be called, or even Democratic.

Coming into an argument and vomiting, then being offended when being called out on the vomit so much you claim retroactively to have an agreeing view to those calling you out and complaining about being unfairly treated... You're a special kind of special.

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>>52675311

>>52675429
Most right, University paves the pathway to the end game, the ultimate height of technology when humanity becomes something more.

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>>52675483

>>52672978
Lal was onto something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY57ErBkFFE

>>52675770
>Flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny
>Not right to have firearms
>Not separation of Church & State
>Not private property
>Not free association
>Not free will

Baffle them with bullshit, constant stream of useless information to keep them complacent and ignore the big things. Literally what is happening now.

>>52675876
>>Not right to have firearms
Won't help much if you don't know who to point them at.
>>Not separation of Church & State
Impossible if you don't know one from the other.
>>Not private property
Lol, no.
>>Not free association
Goes hand-in-hand with free exchange of information. Warrants serious discussion and debate and consideration.
>>Not free will
Well.. yeah, but it's kind of a m00t point. You can't have freedom of choice if you are physically/mentally/spiritually/w/e incapable of choice.

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>>52675222
Fair point.

>>52675246
>Sending them against enemy nations

How?

It'd be harder than herding cats!

>>52675876

>Baffle them with bullshit, constant stream of useless information to keep them complacent and ignore the big things. Literally what is happening now.

What's happening now isn't "free flow of information", it's "information increasingly monopolized by profit-seeking entities".

Any site can be overwhelmed and pushed to a single viewpoint. They already have been. Facebook, reddit, 4chan - none of those has actual free flow of information.

>>52675876

The right to have firearms is increasingly useless as the gap between civilian and military equipment widens.

>>52676003

It was always useless, since society has always been willing to disarm anyone considered "criminally inclined", whatever unpopular minority that happens to be. Germans had more of a right to bear arms under Hitler, unless they were "dangerous jews", Iraqis had the right to bear arms under Saddam, unless they were "dangerous kurds/marsh arabs", etc...

It doesn't matter if there's gun control in general or not; it matters if there are any kind of discriminatory laws that target one sub-set of the population. Guns do absolutely nothing to prevent tyranny; tyrannies love having a well-armed population that's terrified of some sub-group of disarmed scapegoats.

>>52675998
You have at your fingertips the great engine for the free flow of information, yet free flow is usless without honesty, a lanyard or any other measure to quantify it.

The fact is we would all laugh at cats than actually researching our news. Free flow of information is the worst means of ensuring freedom as it is easy to corrupt.

>>52676003
Put a rifle in the hands of every able bodied man in LA or perhaps a city with valuable infrastructure like Houston or New York and see how far they get. The right to keep arms is a great deterrent for government or foreign tyranny.

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>>52676211
>Guns do absolutely nothing to prevent tyranny

Tyrannies hate having an opposed group, armed and able to defend themselves. It's why the Kurds lasted as long as they did, were it not for the US arming them they would have been wiped out a generation ago.

>>52676265
>It's why the Kurds lasted as long as they did, were it not for the US arming them they would have been wiped out a generation ago

Yes, when there's an international superpower backing your insurrection you can get armed. That has bugger all to do with any "right to bear arms". That's just global power politics.

>>52676321
>Firearms
>Ammunition
>Petrol
>Basic ordinance and the means to assemble such
>Vehicles
>Food
>Medicine

All of these were supplied to the kurds and many other violently (read nearly genocide'd) persecuted peoples and the above saved them.

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Sure is /pol/ in here today...

>>52676376

Right. A huge supply of externally-provided resources and infrastructure. At that point, domestic laws are a moot point.

>>52676321
I think the real benefit of a guaranteed right to bear arms is that it encourages a certain attitude among a portion of the population that makes them less tractable in some ways. this increases the diversity of political viewpoints and attitudes without causing divergence too far from the common cultural framework necessary to make democracy work. The arms themselves are largely useless. If the government ever turns hostile towards its own people for whatever reason, things will get very complicated very quickly and foreign powers will probably flood the black market with guns anyway, mooting the gun rights or lack thereof which may have existed antebellum.

To answer the OP, Santiago was most right because her voice actress had dat sultry voice. Could listen to her read bland blurbs about "exponential growth of military blah blah blah" all day long. The most wrong was Deirdre, because mind worms are creepy as fuck.

>>52676476
At which point a firearm is of the utmost importance than knowing who was President of Turkmenistan during 1952-1956.

>>52676589
>I think the real benefit of a guaranteed right to bear arms is that it encourages a certain attitude among a portion of the population that makes them less tractable in some ways. this increases the diversity of political viewpoints and attitudes without causing divergence too far from the common cultural framework necessary to make democracy work.

I'm not sure "Dale Gribble hopped up on Infowars" is conducive to a healthy democracy.

>>52675429
I see you are a man of taste as well

>>52676589
>To answer the OP, Santiago was most right because her voice actress had dat sultry voice. Could listen to her read bland blurbs about "exponential growth of military blah blah blah" all day long.

Of course that's why I would never play as Santiago and try to conquer her first, to get the BDSM-y faction conquest cinematic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuHv_wPfO4

>>52675429
>santiago
>more right than literally anybody
I'd rather have Yang than the bitch who caused the factions to form in the first place. And Miriam is slowly proven right when the factions start getting to reality breaking tech. Hell, if we take GURPS she's good even before then, the moral center of the factions.

>>52676403
Of course, in a thread about a game with noticeable political themes and ideologies, it's to be expected.

>>52676719
like how the game automatically assumes you torture the shit out of her

>>52676321
Ok, lets say US backed them in all other ways except arming them. Now what?

>>52676774
The game automatically assumes you torture any and all of them.

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>>52676757
I was just hoping for a discussion of weaponized cats.

>>52676729
>I'd rather have Yang
The man views you as raw materials, the defense perimeters he gets for free are not to keep people out but to keep his people in. Like all other 'barriers' of dictatorships.

Think about it, why would the man who views humans as nothing but computers and materials be so concerned with defense, over Santiago?

It would make far more sense that he had recycling tanks. But no, he gets the defensive perimeter/Underground bunkers.

>>52676817
The two are not mutually exclusive.

>>52676817
>discussion of weaponized cats.
Found the university player

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>>52676817
>>52676839

>>52676819
>The man views you as raw materials
You're foolish if you believe Santiago does not do the same but in a different way. She is a social darwinist of the highest order, and sees all her people as nothing but potential assets to her regime. She claims to want self-sufficiency but she is anything but, surrounding herself with cloned yes-men and imposing rigid hierarchy designed to keep her on top. She is Yang but without the honesty of simply admitting she's a blood hungry tyrant.

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>>52676775
This picture would not of been taken.

>>52675429
I see you're delusional

Miriam
Santiago
Morgan
University
Lal
Yang
Gaia

>>52676852
Jawohl mein Furrer

>>52676873
Santiago's faction was always the most mishandled, in my opinion. It should have been more of a feudalistic band of aggressively expansionist colonials. Starship Troopers meets Deus Vult meets back woods militia fuck da gubmint

>>52675429
>Miriam at the very bottom
>Not at the very top
0/10 terrible list

>>52676873
Hardly, she believes in attaining the best you can be in the current life. Not in a hypothetical next. Training for the mind and the body. Think of it like Heinlein's Federation, not the movie but the books albeit far more bloody and brutal.

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>>52676839
Oh god, /k/ats.

We're doomed.

Inna woods? No. Inna ground? No.

Inna sunlight.

>>52676845
He is clearly Gaian ecoterrorist

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>>52676819
>The man views you as raw materials, the defense perimeters he gets for free are not to keep people out but to keep his people in. Like all other 'barriers' of dictatorships.

>Think about it, why would the man who views humans as nothing but computers and materials be so concerned with defense, over Santiago?

>>52676904
>>52676927
Santiago and her faction definitely had a lot of potential that was squandered by making them a generic warmongering dictatorship. Her focus on self-improvement, self-reliance, and self-actualization could have been taken down any number of interesting paths.

>>52676941
>Can use mind worms as police unit (reverence for native life)

Terror troops keeping the population in line.

>>52677000
I agree. The eugenics argument could of featured more heavily.

>>52672978
Zharkov was the most relatable
But Diedre probably would have been the most pleasant to live under.

>>52677058
See >>52677015
Fuck that w/bitch

>>52677058
>Zharkov was the most relatable

>Using the lower classes as unwilling test subjects in scientific experiments

>Relatable

Do you have something you need to share?

>>52672978
This is kind of a Randian fantasy isn't it?
10,000 of the worlds most competent people under control of 7 competing ideologies.

>>52677078
You were given freedom in determining how you role played them. I never nerve stapled anybody.

>>52677015
since when can they do that? That might have just been more of a quirk of the game. Literally anybody could be able to do that.

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>>52677095
>He didn't raise a nerve-stapled child

>>52677108
They begin with it. Put that in perspective, they are able to use psi troops that ignore armor meaning they induce fear/panic/terror with PSI attacks. They are then able to use this on their people without the research allowing roleplay safe methods.

>>52677095

By that logic Miriam was a rational scientific researcher who was only concerned with founding more cities because I played the faction that way one time.

>>52677095
I think it's important to have a tight knit community where everyone sticks together. Staples are a good way to do it.

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>>52677145
>By that logic Miriam was a rational scientific researcher

She was.

>>52675262
>>52675295
pretty clever, vetting yourself anonymously, but your still basically same fagging.

Daily reminder, god fungus worshipping space hippies >>>>>>>> starship trooper wannabes.

>As the writhing, teeming mass of mindworms swarmed over the outer perimeter, we saw the defenders recoil in horror. "Stay calm! Use your flame guns!" shouted the commander, but to no avail. It is well know that the Mind Worm Boil uses psychic terror to paralyze its prey, and then carefully implants ravenous larvae into the brains of its still-conscious victims. Even with the best weapons, only the most disciplined troops can resist this horrific attack.
>Lady Deirdre Skye, "Our Secret War"

>As we approached we were confronted by the ruined splendor of Sparta Command. The true immensity of the place became instantly apparent as our Quantum Tank crunched over the rubble and parked next to a shattered bunker, but the extent of the destruction took weeks to assess. The shielded datacore had sustained several massive breaches and smoke still billowed from the numerous cannon ports. There were few signs of human life.
>Lady Deirdre Skye, "Our Secret War"

>>52675876
Go read Brave New World

Is there anyone here who actually like Yang?

>>52677356

He's not really supposed to be "likable" in a "man, I'd want to be buddies" or even in a "I'd ever want to live under his rule" kind of way.

He's more like the "Oh god, what if he might have a point?" faction - he's scary but compelling because maybe, on some level, he is right about his nihilism, treatment of humanity as a disposable tool, and complete abandonment of any kind of moral restraint.

>>52677356
Hi. I do.
All of us in tunnel 144321324 do.

>>52676904
You just described the Believers, though.

>>52677397
>tunnel 144321324

Has been scheduled for routine nerve-stapling, please reroute all holonet communications to Sub-Tunnel 144321324b.

>>52677385
I played as Yang and started to get really into it. It was disturbing, but fun.

>>52677524
i think all the characters were designed like that, you get really into it, you start to see what they mean, then later you realize what a monster you really were.

>>52675152
Cartoonishly Evil

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>>52677385
>he is right about his nihilism, treatment of humanity as a disposable tool, and complete abandonment of any kind of moral restraint

You know, if you think about it, the mindworm/human symbiotic relationship is perfect. They don't NEED to be alive when they get implanted, and the human allies get rid of any element of resitance so some gung ho idiot does pick up a flamethrower and start barbequeing.

>>52677593
yeah, thats great, for HIM
what about the rest of us?

>>52677544
Nah, I felt pretty okay as Diedre and pretty good as Zharkov. I don't know what kind of fan fiction wank wen't on outside the game that made them not cool.

>>52677629
Speaking of which, I really need to try out the new fanpro game they made. I'm not expecting it to be amazing, but a few might have those old feels.

Miriam did nothing wrong

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And this is Diedre's go to unit.

Morgan was right.
The ultimate form of mankind is a vast amount of individuals who function more as nations of one than men. This is the existence that allows for the most freedom and the most expression of self.
Hivemind hippies and cyberchinks need not apply.

>>52677647
Don't suppose anybody has the link?

>>52673307
>Pravin "let's do everything the same way as earth" Lal
>not the most right

>>52677688
Morgan was the one who got slandered hardest by the games mascot. They made him out to be far more dangerous than he really was and nerfed the shit out of him.

Morgan was a pussycat in A.I. matches

>>52676232
Plenty far. Airstrikes.

>>52677731
If hes going to be your evil corporate mascot, you should at least make him challenging. I always had more trouble with Lal than anyone else.

>>52677728
He is getting addicted to stepping on the same rakes

>>52677728
Lal has the weakest early game out of the original 7 factions, he's pretty much guaranteed to be curbstomped if he starts near Miriam, Santiago or Yang.

>>52677782
I dunno, I only ever met Lal in the long game when he had half the board. He was always a little bigger than me, but I always had better tech.

>>52674702

To elaborate. Lal has a very cynical approach to maintaining freedoms of everyone. He upholds the charter but the talents spend their time in somber reading halls. Meanwhile societies like the Gaians and Morganites are enjying life on their Rec Common. Even Yangs citizens will find more pleasure at the civil creches cafeterias where they enjoy the close bonds of the hive before returning to their shifts.

Living in Peacekeeper territory is like living in a town that produces bureaucrats and politicians. You are politically enlightened but rarely happy

>>52677782
Yang was also a pain in the ass. He was such a dinosaur by the time you met him, but he could produce so much war material and he was so dug in that he was a constant pain in the ass.

I literally dropped a game cause he would not go down. I would have won eventually, but he beat me through sheer persistence.

>>52677819
I felt uncomfortable playing as Lal. It felt too hypocritical.

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>>52677770
This is hilariously as it is terrifying.

>>52672978
As Zarkhov I had a hard time maintaining my tech advantage. Miriam would always send probes then trade my tech with everybody.

By the time I got to the negotiating table, they already had all my old tech.

>>52677854

My issue with Lal is he is not the idealist democracy advocate. He is a bitter jaded man who protects democracy because he feels like he needs to be a martyr and the last best hope for freedom

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>>52677898
Why do the work yourself when you can take a weaker factions spoils?

When I played as Lal I always had an endless supply of drones. They were fucking everywhere.

As Zarkhov, my infantry had a huge advantage initially. I was usually lucky enough to be fighting a defensive war with several strong settlements. Midgame I would focus on infrastructure improvements, then later I focused on aircraft. Slogging infantry through colonies was not fun, but by then they had roads.

I regret never getting to use the hovertank.

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>>52677874

Zharkov's philosophy was enlightened, but I felt the game gave his units a spirt 'de e corps that was undeserved. I have a hard time imagining intellectuals having such high morale in battle. They act like nerds, they should probably fight like them too

>>52677813
In my games, Lal rarely survives into the late game, if he does survive it generally means he started at a safe location away from all the other factions and he just expanded and pop boom'd to ridiculous proportions or he started near Deidre, Zakharov or Morgan who just so happens to leave Lal to his own devises, maybe forming a alliance or defense pact with him occasionally.

Miriam is a fucking asshole who never stops stealing your tech and if you're playing Yang or Santiago and you just so happen to switch to police state for a turn to get rid of your unhappy drones, she will go fucking ballistic and start swarming you like no tomorrow.

Playing against Santiago is a mixed bag, if you focus too much on expansion and building up your infrastructure and pop, she'll harass you constantly extorting tech and energy from you. But if you churn out cheap throw away units that at least match her army in numbers, her attitude goes a complete 180 and she sees you as a honorable opponent and ally, forming military alliances with you and asking you to attack everyone else, if you decline too many times she throws a hissy fit and just declares war against you.

Morgon and Zakharov is just fucking weird to play with and against, sometimes you can appease them with useless tech or energy tribute and they warm up to you and sometimes they just to fuck up your shit like there's no tomorrow.

And Yang is a fucking nightmare to start with, he will never stop expanding, you literally have to go to war against him dragging you both into a never ending war of attrition or he just expands straight into your shit and lock you at of resources and room. You build a fucking base anywhere near his borders (which is everywhere) and he'll declare war against on a drop of a fucking hat.

And the fucking gaians fought ruthlessly. Who would have thought a bunch of hippie treehugging environmentalists would murder people as they sleep?

I mean, granted, they aren't your ordinary hippies, but I would have thought they would have been a lot more laid back and had a lot more children.

All these years later and I still have yet to hear a strong argument against pretty much anything Zakharov does

They aren't hippies, they are fundamentalist eco terrorists with biological terror weapons.

>>52678044
Morgon was always such a pushover, the in game meta really crippled him. I played that game for years and only once did I ever get an economic victory. It almost always got put to vote before I could do that.

>>52678067
I guess thats because nobody really ever spelled out exactly what it was he did. At the time, there was a big issue about stem cell research and cloning that is still being debated today. Back then it was new, the arguments seemed original.

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>>52678046
And remember, it was a rather polarized and desperate situation. I don't know if Zharkov would have experimented on people if he were not at war.

>>52678081
Don't see too many of those these days. I'm starting to believe they are a myth.

>>52678154
they were a fad that mostly died out.

Rivers just don't get set on fire like they used to.

>>52676719
i love this side of /tg/

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>>52673086
I will dem plan your economy and you will love every second of it

>>52678457
Can I haz link plz? I don't want to have to remember my password to GOG and Steam doesn't have it.

>>52678509
Just miriam it from one of the old games sites

>>52678708
such as...?

>factions that were handled somewhat clumsily
Spartans
Believers
Anyone I miss? Not counting crossfire factions cause they were all garbage except Workers which was good

>>52678919
Pirates should have been ancap libertarians not just yarhahr we vikings and shit as a juxtaposition to what's his face corporatism

Cha Dawn, Aki Zeta were superfluous

Aliens were a poor decision

Data Angels were just fucking dumb.

>>52678910
Google help you. I'm not getting banned over posting external links today.

You know what the game needed? An oligarchy/fuedal faction made of a small council of nobles or w/e

>>52679020
It wouldn't be able to survive.

>>52679079
Says who? University is a clusterfuck of infighting and everyone is 'lel xhakarov did no wrong'

By any metric University is a clusterfuck that wouldn't last as a government

>>52678999
trips acknowledged
curse me for a fool, i just like paying for good software.

>>52679020
That wouldn't represent an ideology.

>>52673994
nothing, but he's ineffective - which, when you're trying to survive in difficult conditions and to unite disparate groups of people, is "wrong"

>>52679222
Noblesse oblige/might makes right/the superior over the inferior?

I guess that's what Spartans should have been already

>>52672978
>Most right
Whoever realized that just because a game has great mechanics doesn't mean that it can't have a shit story
>Most wrong
Whoever keeps jerking off to the memory of this game twenty years later

>>52679827
Great post, Sinder Roze