Amonkhet Spoilers

>>52666883
Card would be better if it cost less and/or did more.

I am contributing to the conversation

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>>52666909
>Sweltering Suns
>Sorcery
>1RR
>~ deals 3 damage to each creature.
>Cycling 3

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>Creature - Sphinx
>Flying
>Whenever ~ becomes the target of a spell or ability for the first time each turn, counter that spell or ability.

>>52666926

Not bad, honestly. Especially with >>52666892 being exactly big enough to dodge it.

>>52666883
Literally the most exciting card spoiled so far

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>>52666883
Insane, I love it!

>>52667013
Maybe if you're a faggot babby edh autist

>>52667013
And you can tell it's been pushed to all hell

>>52666883
oh great, another proud, independent woman of color who needs no man. How original

this set is literally EDH garbage the set.

>>52666883
This is easily the worst-designed card I have ever seen.

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>>52666883
I am I the only one glad that this Kangz is not a plainswalker? Why could we get pic related.

>>52666917
>6/4 haste for five with other junk

I mean he hardly seems terrible.

>>52666960
I was expecting worse. 6 body lets it avoid a couple effects. The ability works nicely with the set theme.

7/10

>>52666943
With embalm? Or is the 5UU ability something else?

>>52667120
But it would be better if it did more and/or cost less.

With keen observations like these you can tell I am a strong magic player.

>>52667142
It's embalm

>>52666883
>no deathtouch
>no flying
literally unplayable

>>52666883
So is she a villain or the Jacetice League's newest buddy? Do we even know yet?

>>52666883
that's the kind of card even /ccg/ would call bad design. wtf is wotc thinking.

>>52667082
Why do you post this every thread? Just go jack off already.

>>52666883
Oh hey, she's wearing the Set of Favor

>>52666883
This plus the new mana dork that removes -1/-1 counters could be pretty baller

>>52666883
They could just get rid of the haste as a keyword, and have 'creatures you control have haste'.
Would remove 2 unnecessary words and make it a little cleaner

>>52667196
>naya
>villain
>in a world created by a grixis elder dragon

>>52667196
$10 says unawakened nuWalker.

>>52667277
So we're getting another 'Stronk Female character stands up to bad peoples and gets Planeswalkers to help' episode? Damn.

If they were going that route couldn't they have at least brought someone better back, like Elspeth?

>>52667317
Don't give them ideas.

>>52667196
>Samut, Voice of Dissent
>Voice of Dissent
>Dissent

Gee I wonder, will the anti-authority character be a good guy?

>>52667196
In the lore she's a native heretic opposing Nicol Bolas, so she's definitely a good guy.

>>52667317
The artist already hinted it she was a planeswalker.

>>52667272
Current templating rules seem to be for creatures to just have keywords rather than giving themselves keywords (except for slivers), and for those keywords to be listed at the top of the rules text.

I personally agree that it would have been better to go with your templating, but I can kinda see why WotC would want to have consistency.

>>52667033
>>52667050
>He isn't playing the best format in magic

>>52667352

I for one look forward to hitting her with Slave of Bolas in casual games at uni. I think I still have a few of those in my collection.

>>52667207
Hey Kimberly Kreines don't you have a block to Kangz up?

>>52666883
so this is basically top-down "always in combat forever"

>>52667082
I want a Jackal. Your shitty kang can go fuck off

Why does she have flash and haste, flash usualy bypass the need for haste as you're casting it at eot and can attack before sorcery speed removal.
This card is a desing mess

>>52667369
There is no good MtG format, let alone best format.

>Draft/Limited: crapshoot with random cards
>Standard: play one of two decks or lose
>Modern: Aggro the Tappening
>Legacy: incestuous circlejerk that no one can get into
>Vintage: the format nobody plays
>EDH/Commander: I combo before you combo, gg no re

>>52667352
>>52667347
I want Bolas to show up and do absolutely nothing evil, he's just there as the Jacetice League points fingers at him as the crowd slowly turns on them.

Bonus points if they lose Gideon to cat pussy and he tells them to fuck off along the way.

>>52666883
WE WUZ

>>52667343
>Don't give them ideas.
I wouldn't dare. Whatever crap I come up with would be better than the official storyline. They could ask second graders to write the storyline and it'd come out better than what they've got. No, I'm just stating what they're blatantly already doing.

>>52667408
Who? I'm assuming that's some nigger /pol/ is mad at recently.

>>52667434
>EDH/Commander: I combo before you combo, gg no re
Only if your play group are tryhard faggots.

>>52667430
My best guess is that they want you to flash it in and use the tap ability. No way to have a instant speed tapper without flash and haste.

I do think the card is a bit mess. Feels weirdly too pushed. Either the character is very important for ongoing storylines or RGW really really needed some help in the FFL.

>>52667277
Bolas did not create Amonkhet though, it was all a lie by the whites
WE WUZ KANGZ FORR REALZ

>>52667082
>Overshill
Boy the irony of you complaining about SJW shit is plapable.

Besides, it's not like being a Planeswalker is some great honor. All the worst characters in MTG are Planeswalkers introduced post Time Spiral. Much better to be a legendary creature, a card type with a long and venerable history.

>>52667434
confirmed for being shit at draft

>>52666883
What kind of design-by-committee garbage is this? I thought legendaries were supposed to be special

>>52667434
>EDH/Commander: Jank made viable, the format

>>52667467
So going by the thread that's up for the new story, this could legitimately be the case.

God fucking damnit.

>>52666960
what kind of animal is this? Is this the Jackal or is the red god?

>>52667168
>>52667142
>>52666943

This is actually ridiculous

5 power flyer, extreme card advantage/ resilience

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>>52667508

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>yfw the gatewatch accidentally lure Phyrexia to Amonkhet and ruin everything again

>>52667033
How is she in any way good in edh?

>>52667522
ah, makes sense
Thanks!

>>52666926
>Super excited about New zombies
>oh there goes all my tokens I guess

>>52667524
That wouldn't work. nuPhyrexia would be BTFO easily by Bolas. Without Karn they have nothing that can compete with a planeswalker.

>>52666892
Doesn't die to bolt.

>>52667508
Are you OK anon? Did you accidentally time travel here from a week ago and also have inch thick cataracts?

>>52667434
Your post really seems to hint at the fact that you don't find ccg strategy stimulating, which is weird because there's actually a lot to offer. Obviously limited means you don't get exactly the cards you want, but that enables it to be freshly engaging each draft. EDH is hardly the most combo oriented format and if you keep getting beaten by combo I suppose you just don't have the right mental faculties for deckbuilding.

Not every format is for everyone, but if you can't find a single one that speaks to you maybe look at other games like board games.

>>52667598
>Without Karn they have nothing that can compete with a planeswalker.
>What is a Negator?

>>52667609
Kinda? A friend of mine paid my entry to the pre-release even though i haven't played in 6 years, so i figured i should look up the cards. Yesterday and today are the first days I've looked at this set.

>>52667613
I say stuff like that mostly as absurd hyperbole to highlight the fact that there really is no best format. There's a time and place for each of them, but there's no no useful discussion that can be generated by arguing over which is best.

Personally i play Modern, Commander and Pauper the most. I'm also trying to get better at draft, but I have a harder time wrapping my head around it and only ever go 2- 1 at best.

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>lotus bloom now $25
>ancestral vision is nearly $70 and rising

Great job, Wizards.

>>52667425
I want a Jackel too, but my pic is of an Egyptian women, so I will take either or.

>>52667616
>Negators
>being at all a threat to a real Planeswalker like Bolas

>>52667707
Negators could kill Old Walkers. That being said I'm not sure if there are any Negators left nor do I know how their power level compares to Oblitorators

>>52666883
So why would I buy anything from this set when unlimited cat works combo still exists?

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>>52666892

>>52666980
Is this a joke? This looks so bad, am i missing something?>>52667013

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>>52667731
oshitwaddup
bant or BUG seems legit

>>52666883
I like her.
Every now and again you need a word salad legend.

>>52667439
KANGZNSHITBRUHHHHHH

>>52667700
Lotus bloom is still under 10 euros on MCM, and that's for the superior prerelease one
yankees lmao

>>52666892
It's a strictly better spellheart

>>52666883
Is this good or no? Just seems like a bunch of keywords stapled together. It is nice to get a tri-color commander in such a fashion but damn. Other than being a haste enabler for naya tokens what does this do?

>>52666909
Am i supposed to sac and recur this until my opponents dead or is it just supposed to be a bear with an upside?

>>52666926
Very okay boardwipe. Anger of the gods sees play but that's because of the exile clause. Wil this be anything big or just a budget anger.

>>52666943
Wish we got cooler sphinxes on the egypt plane

>>52666960
Shitty for standard, mediocre for edh. unplayable anywhere else. Now that all the gods are out and they're all trash I'm going to just say its because bolas feared his creation turning on them so he made them intentionally weak.

>>52666980
>prevent 1 damage
actaully thats not-
>5 cmc
Pffft Ahahahhahahhaha

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>>52667767
Don't even have to attack to win anymore.

>>52667828
>Other than being a haste enabler for naya tokens what does this do?
Voltron, you stick a rancor on it n shiet

>>52666883
2/10 needs more abilities.

>>52667828
>bolas feared his creation turning on them so he made them intentionally weak.
And WotC fears putting any effort into designing interesting cards so they made them intentionally boring.

>>52667828
Yes, it's good to pop a defender or untap an exerted creature
Use the zombie with Lili's ult and a boardwipe to friccin bean your enemy's

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>>52667858

>>52667875
>no haste
enjoy tripping over my kobold tokens

>>52667892
>no haste
fuck you on about

>>52667875
>>52667892
>>52667898
*fug meant no trample

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>>52667892
????

>>52666892
Well, I actually like this card.
>>52667727
Seeing that the effect for Oblitorators is "Whenever a source deals damage to Phyrexian Obliterator, that source's controller sacrifices that many permanents" an obliterator can "kill" a walker. However, since this is in a story and not actually playing against another person with a Bolas card, the writers would probably hand wave the effect away because "muh walkers". Planeswalker cards were a mistake and a cash grab

>>52667767
Is vehicles dead now?

>>52667892
with haste you sound super reatrded.
with trample, what is what you actually wanted to say, you still sound retarded because rancor was already said some posts ago and is easily appliable.

>>52666883
Why is everyone complaining about wanting a jackal, we got a beastfolk, this is clearly an ancient Egypt style baboon-headed human, like Hapi

>>52667940
Vehicles got kill with mean teacher of combo hate

>>52667444
She works for WotC she's a white women who is lead creative design, aka she is in charge of how many We Waz are going to be in the block.

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I remember when this guy used to be okay

>>52667655
As a follow up to this...

Is this set really under powered or is it just me? The Rares seem ok, and a couple of the uncommons are good, but this seems really weak over all.

I'm thinking boros looks best in draft so far? Maybe Orz? Solo green maybe if you get the rares?

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>Play Metalwork Colossus
>Already get blown the fuck out by Release the Gremlins
>See this

Just fuck my shit up senpai

>>52668107
>Doesn't even make tokens
It's shit senpai

>>52668107
How the fuck are these destructive fuckwits the good guys?
Bolas will be completely justified in fighting them if they start smashing his plane.

>>52668107
>budget shattering spree
Well at least there's one card this block was good for

>>52666926

Overall better Radiant Flames.

>>52668134
I mean, Amonkhet is basically North Korea

>His plane

Read the story, it's not his plane

>>52668134
BOLAS
STOLE
THE
PLANE

>>52667727
>>52667920

Obliterators are, ostensibly, more powerful than Negators by being obviously the same thing with a bigger and nastier ability. I don't recall them being story-significant.

Old Planeswalkers, even presuming you can dispense with their comically-overpowered access to almost unlimtied mana and entire worlds of spells, are still extremely tough. Even without spells, it takes extreme force and usuual magic to be able to harm one ,and it is even more difficult to ensure they are dead. They are not immortal, but for the purposes of any normal creature, might as well be.

Negators were crafted for the express purpose of killing Planeswalkers by arguably the most powerful entity ever to exist (depending on TRUFORM Ulamog stuff), whose entire speciality was crafting extraordinary beings, and who was renowned for breaking what were thought rules of the multiverse, using the resources of an entirely extraordinarily-powered plane under his total control. And despite this, they were still merely okay at their job. A novice Planeswalker would be in deep shit, but a truly potent Planeswalker a la Invasion-era Urza would be almost beyond approach.

New Planeswalkers are, in comparison, comically feeble. They are mere mortals, no tougher than usual, and whose only edge is having an expanded range of magic compared to regular wizards. Even Nicol Bolas, vastly more powerful than the rest and with access to a great deal of Old Planeswalker knowledge and magic, is orders of magnitude weaker than an Old Planeswalker. A Negator could easily do the job.

This would require there be negators. Obliterators are implied to be more powerful by their card, which is little evidence. Maybe they are just better at killing lots and lots of things at once. It's safe to presume they are less effective and less specialised at killing Old Planeswalkers than Negators, since they were made by beings vastly weaker than Yawgmoth. Still, the New Planeswalkers are glorified mages.

>>52668144
>>52668147
>implying the gatewatch knows shit that happened thousand of years ago

>>52668156

So it's difficult to tell.

But of course the New Planeswalkers have the protection of WotC Marketing, a force more powerful than any Old Planeswalker, hobbled as those were by participating in actual narratives driven by story, not by wanky marketing.

Because why would stories matter in a story-driven game.

>>52668134
Plot twist, gatewatch become the main villains
new phyrexia are the new protagonists

>>52668107
So this set pretty much makes everything in the last block useless?

>>52668168
It was less than decades ago you FUCKTWIT JUST READ THE GODDAMN STORY

>>52667844
I play Manglehorn, ETB targeting Throne of the God-Pharaoh.

What now?

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>>52666892
Is there enough spells to make UR Prowess viable in Standard? We sure have enough creatures.

>>52668156
I remember that in one book three negators almost killed Urza.

>>52668175
Of course, it's almost like you thought investing in Kaladesh was a good idea

>>52666926
>>52668139

No, wait. You can use Yahenni's Expertise with it. Combine that with the fact GDD can dredge it up makes it flat out better.

>>52667050
/edhg/ regular here, this set is crap even by our standards. The only interesting new legends are the GB snakemaker and RB minotaur.

>>52667727
>>52667920
>>52668156
>>52668171
>>52668197
I would imagine that it was less that Negators were powerful enough, and more that it's what they were designed to do, like specifically a "Fuck anything with a spark" type of creation but possibly lacking elsewhere or costly to use, hence their "sack your stuff" effect.
Like they can fuck a planeswalker practically being planeswalker antibodies, but against non-walkers, they're just really tough creatures.

Logically Obliterators are less specialized, but aren't as costly to use, thus easily deployed slaughter machines.

>>52668196
Isn't StormChaser mage about to leave? He's BfZ and that's four blocks ago as of Amonkhet's release.

>>52668196
Does Soul-Scar Mage have any purpose in that deck, besides being a worse Swiftspear?

Also, the answer's no. There are no good U or R spells.

>>52668196
Also, Curious Homunculus, Thermo-Alchemist and Mercurial Geists are good cards

>>52668196
Too many creatures for a UR build.

Run Soul-Scar, Stormchaser, Enigma, and Bedlam as a 2-of

Sideboard TiTi, remove serpent

>>52668156
>don't recall them being story-significant.
Neither do I. There was mention of one bearing down on Elspeth before she panic-walked to Theros.

>>52668239
The rotation schedule has been changed a couple times.
http://whatsinstandard.com/

>>52668175
It is tradition for Wizards to include at least one card in a set that hoses the set before it. This is the first time they actually acknowledge its "By Force" though.

>>52668201
Well theres a difference between printing a few hate cards and making an entire set of hate cards.

Theres probably at least 4 answers to Scrapheap in this set alone.

>>52668239

He'd have about four months.

>>52668244
Makes creature only burn spells more viable
>>52668196
>Lightning Axe
>Fiery Temper
>Alchemist's greeting
>That growing blue card draw spell

>>52668147
>>52668144

And Europeans stole America

That fact wouldn't justify destroying it.

>>52666909
Aristocrats is looking better all the time. Hell even >>52666960 would be somewhat platable in it. Besides Yaheeni what are some instant speed free sac engines in standard?

>>52667676
If you're looking to get better at limited, the best way is to either watch people who are good at it stream and explain their picks, and listen to the quadrant theory, Mana curve, and the set review for whatever format you want to play on limited resources. You'll be better prepared than 80-90% of typical fnm drafters

>>52667858
Spam activated abilities like sylvala and Mana dorks to power ramp? Bloom tender and shaman of the forgotten ways seem great too. Commander is basically naya thousand-year elixir with flash

>>52668295
They're not destroying the plane though, they're clearly freeing prisoners.

>>52668082
Why don't you stop trying to pretend to be above it and just call them what you want to call them, you massive pussy cuck? This a fucking anonymous board for chinese cartoons.

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>>52668361
(Pic related)

>>52668239
There will be no Rotation when Amonkhet releases. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/revisiting-standard-rotation-2016-10-19

>>52666926
>Gunter glieben Gleißende Sonnen

>>52668196
>>52668252
I'm not implying that all creatures should go in the deck, i'm only showing the options we have to build around.

>>52668269
unfortunately none of them are good enough

we needed something like

1<Some Color>
Instant
Exile target creature, Heart of Kiran, or Gideon Ally of Zendikar

>>52668107
Like fucking clockwork, Chandra plz.

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>>52666883
Oh you know it! Well, except defender. Fuck that!

>>52668373
I don't see how that's any better.

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>>52668574
You can even fetch both cards

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>>52668107
>that flavor text

>>52668663
She literally can't go anywhere without bringing down the established order and being praised for doing so.

>>52668107
Chandra, with the zingers.

>>52668107
>It's another "Gatewatch fuck everything up" set
I'm beginning to think they want us to hate them.

>>52668663
>>52668689
How long before a Coalition is formed to bring the gatewatch and their terrorist ways down?

>>52668730

They have two days story time before Bolas comes back and takes the plane off of life support to finish harvesting its organs... metaphorically speaking. I think no matter what Jacetice League is going to lose this one, and the entire plane is going to die without the Gatewatch gaining anything despite fighting back.

>>52668753
What you just said is literal violence directed at the group of beautiful queer, neurodiverse PoC characters that are the gatewatch and you definitely need to check your privilege.

t. MaRo

>>52667828
I feel like spellheart had trample.

>>52668770
>no matter what Jacetice League is going to lose this one
It will be a "we won, this time, but Bolas is still out there. Gatewatch hoooooooo" episode.

>>52668770
>I think no matter what Jacetice League is going to lose this one, and the entire plane is going to die without the Gatewatch gaining anything despite fighting back.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! As if Marky boi is going to let his precious princesses get hurt and lose.

>>52668865
>I'll get you next time, Gatewatch! Next tiiiiiiiiiiiime!

>>52666883
Did someone's autistic card creator shit actually make it into a set or something?

>>52666883
As much as I like the card I'm a bit disappointed the random we wuz from the story is a legend and wasn't just killed when they were captured.

>>52668753
It's funny how the creative team is trying to pander to minorities as much as they can, by creating exotic cultures based on the (supposed) heritage of these minorities and populated mostly by these minorities.

... And then along come the Gatewatch, made up entirely out of varying degrees of white planeswalkers, who proceed to fucking wreck the local cultures and enlighten them with their superior values.

>>52668865
I'm holding out hope Gatewatch is completely wrong and New Phyrexia shows up to faceroll the plane instead of Bolas.

>>52668945
>SOI
BOY I HOPE IT'S PHYREXIANS
>Kaladesh
OH BOY PHYREXIAN INVASION TIME
>Amonkhet
TIME TO REV UP THAT PHYREXIAN INVASION

Phyrexiafags are the worst

>>52668945
>>52668883
>>52668865

>gatewatch fucks up Bolas plane
>turns his god and/or followers against him
>he is actually threatened and has to activate his kill switch and destroy the plane to avoid being killed himself
>sad as fuck
>Jacetice league somehow will try to spin it as " HE IS EVIL" even if they literally forced him to do that.

>>52667039
Oh look a human how hur hurr please die

>>52668982
LMAO 2 CLONES

>>52668982
>More shapeshifter trash
Who does this appeal to? The 50 or so Sakashima EDH players worldwide?

>>52669038

This is good in my Sedris edh deck that's all about etb creatures

>>52667437
THIS

would be amazing.

remember when people where glad that innistrad was saved in the orginal set.
everyone was like, ooh finally a plane that isnt getting buttfucked.
now look where we are. when is the last time a plane got ass teared?

>>52668985
I am a Phyrexiafag and I don't want them touching Phyrexia ever again. We all know they're going to fuck Bolas and make him pathetic and get beaten by a group of "beautiful queer, neurodiverse PoC characters"thank you >>52668786 because that's a great way to describe Gatewatch. They're going to destroy Bolas and make him a laughing stock, and they'll do the same to Phyrexia if they bring them in.

>>52669068
tarkir, kind of

>>52666980
Doesn't Pharaoh mean god-king? Or at least imply divine status? Is that flavor text redundant?

>>52669016
>"Gee Bill"

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Where's the legendary equipment forged from a meteorite?

>>52669080
I think it was used sometimes but i could be wrong.

>>52668985
I want Koth to show up, and tell the Gatewatch about New Phyrexia, just for them to go there and do what they do.

The second set they use the red, white, and green moons, powered by the blue and black ones to cast artifact destruction on Mirrodin and save the multiverse from Phyrexia.

Then make comments along the lines of "Huh, that was easy. Hey, who wants to go see how Tarkir is doing?" and leave.

The phyrexiafag butthurt would be wonderful.

the sandworm better be a good fucking card and I'd like there to be a thumper artifact to tutor for it

>>52669038
As one of those 50, I would invite you to shut the fuck up and let me have my Clone, thank you.

>>52669098
Chandra rages against the machine and Phyrexia become the good guys.

>>52669124
Lead by Urabrask as a jesus parable.

Man I fucking hate the "it's a country on Earth but an entire plane" planes

Skip this shit move on to the next block

This set is grade A trash

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For anyone that cares about the story (and I think it'd be reasonable to not care, at this point) the "soul of amonkhet" or whatever was talking to Nissa.

So, was it not an artifical plane?

>>52669124
>>52669130
Nope, only Urabrask. And even then, it was his idea to blow up the plane because Phyrexia is shit, even according to him.

>>52669098
Koth is locked in pretty much infinite combat with Phyrexians from what it looks like from all the teaser art of him they've been putting on cards

dude is hardcore

>>52669131
>Skip this shit move on to the next block
the next block is "Atlantis but an entire plane"

>>52669156
Antlantis isn't real dummy

And it's probably a whole lot cooler than Egyptian shit

Is it time for water covered lands?

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>>52669151
Well when he says something he means it.

>>52669144
Nope. Not artificial, Bolas didn't have anything to do with it, and more so, there are 3 missing gods. That bothers me than "there was literally never a red green God on Theros until Xenagos. Ever."

>>52667731
Cat is getting banned 100%

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Second try, these are just suggestions, doesn't mean you need to add every card into the deck.

>>52669183
>Elesh-Norn I have come to bargain.

Seems more like a blue thing.

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Sadly, Standard really lacks good instant/sorceries to make Prowess a good deck. Does Amonkhet have good instant/sorceries to add?

>>52669085
Does it awaken a 「STAND」?

>>52669215
>and more so, there are 3 missing gods.
was that mentioned int he story? I haven't read today's yet.

>>52669098
>>52669075
>>52668985
What I would like the most is if new phyrexia has something like alara happen to it. With each praetor carving the plane into pieces. I think you could do a fun set with the idea. Especially if we just completely ignored the planeswalkers for a bit.

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>>52669284

>>5266921
Bolas absolutely ad something to do with the corrupting of the plane. The three missing gods are most likely ones that would not submit to his will and were wiped out because of it. The writing is on the wall, Ths isn't literally a plane he butt fucked to create a Planeswalker Training facility and plane-wide army of perfectly loyal undead.

>>52667613
EDH is literally Combo: the format when played at the most tryhard level, the fact that you are unaware of this just shows you have no clue what you're talking about. Literally every top EDH deck is combo.

>>52668807
It did

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>>52668753
>Ugin get Sorin out of the stone
>They form an inter-planer taskforce of responsible adult to curb rampant Gatewatch tomfoolery
>Ugin, Sorin, resurrected Elspeth, Karn, Tamiyo, Koth?
>Pool their knowledge and resources to find a way to track new and existing planeswalkers so they can be tagged, bagged and educated
>Become inter-planer government

BAM!! Already a more interesting set up and it's very easy to grab new sets of planeswalkers to go on adventures, though now that I read it and knowing that the Gatewatch is just WotC trying to cash in on the capes craze I realise I just wrote the set-up for Gatewatch: Civil War and that makes me want to vomit.

>>52669360
>when played at the most tryhard level
there's your problem
what retard would play the most casual format in a tryhard sense

>>52669382

Chandra has a waifu?

>>52668189
I don't play it until you have your manglehorn down and have shut off the combo attack?

We already have a better card for hosing the combo in standard and still no one plays Authority of the Consuls.

>>52669080
It literrally translates as "Big House" but basically just means King.
No god in there.

Is it just me, or are the Gatewatch worse than the weatherlight crew? I mean, I liked the weatherlight crew back in the day, but I really am sick to death of the Gatewatch. Maybe it is because the gatewatch get face cards every set rather than just living in flavor text, but also the weatherlight crew felt like a proper DnD group whereas the gatewatch feel like... something else entirely, that doesn't fit well with the fantasy setting.

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>>52667700
>single mint quality Ancestral Vision just sitting in my EDH sideboard

>>52667145
I don't care how cheap it is if it still dies to removal.

>>52668689
>Wherever I am, I must also destroy

>>52669431
it would be fine if literally ever planeswalker released wasn't a gatewatch member

Maro realizes this though and says they're slowing it down with them after this set

>>52669431
Everyone's sick and tired of the jacetice league, even the most devout wotcock suckers.

I'm surprised they had to be told this instead of knowing "Hey maybe having the same 5 people do the same thing forever would be bad"

The worst part is maro only said they'd be less prevalent in cards, we might still have to deal with the origins 5 doing everything (because it's not even the jacetice league anymore, it's literally just the origins 5 since ajani fucked off)

>>52669431

The Gatewatch are suppose to be a superhero team to be the face for the Magic the Gathering movie. That's why they feel so forced and out of place.

>>52669382
I fucking hate gatewatch flavor text holy shit

>>52669456
The gatewatch as a concept is fine, except they're not treating it as "the gatewatch" they're treating it as the origins 5.

I thought once ajani joined we could maybe get one of them to fuck off but that's not happening it seems.

>>52669229
>>52669267
Don't forget Shock, Rush of Adrenaline, Magma Spray, Uncaged Fury, Magma Chasm, Rush of Ice, Tears of Valakut (For use against vehicles), Brute Strength, Grip of the Roil, and Dual Shot.

>>52667490
Or you could play 60 card casual with friends.

>>52666883
Have all the commons been spoiled yet?

>>52669382
There was a time when we could have had Jaya Ballard making silly fire puns on every burn spell, instead of "It's so totally on that your gods don't even know how TOTALLY on it is right now -t. chandra"

>>52666883
The fuck were they thinking here, it's just random keywords stapled to a card?
I don't know what's worse. That someone designed this, or that it got approved.

>>52666892
And here I thought my UR deck was going to go without new toys.

>>52666909
Like I did not have enough initiative to make a zombie deck.

>>52669215
Except there *was* a red-green god, an Aphrodite rip-off. She got killed in the backstory though, which due to how the metaphysics of Theros works meant that everyone forgot her (See: Xenagos becoming a God caused everyone to remember him as always having been a god; apparently the reverse is also true).

>>52669596
>red-green god, an Aphrodite rip-off
Aw dangit. You made me sad now.

Has there been any major characters that represent reds "passion" without the reckless aggro side recently?

>>52669296
Yes it was. It caused Nissa a lot of profound confusion. Just then Oketra shows up and Nissa wants to know where the other 3 went. Oketra gently said that she "can't remember before", and that bothered Nissa even more.

>>52668924
The Gatewatch's Burden crossover when

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>>52669382
And here I didn't think flavor text could get any worse after Kaladesh. Color me wrong.

Does creative actually think anyone LIKES these characters? Does someone actually think Sorin Sparklepire's Vindicate is an improvement over Gerrard's?

>>52669596
I'm sorry my brother no way. There was never a single God for RG and MaRo confirmed, and said it would have been an Aphrodite sort of inspiration. Had it ever existed

>>52668865
>>52668883
>not understanding basic dramatic comic storylines this much

Are you guys autistic? They lose their first fight with their nemesis to show that Bolas is super strong and raise the stakes, then have a training arc and beat him next time.

Seriously this is basic shit.

>>52669431
I think it's because of how many cards they get. The Weatherlight Crew all had one card each, maybe two to depict a major change (Like Ertai being corrupted. Also not counting the alternate reality color shifted versions)

I think overall the stories are fine, but the characters need to change a bit. Chandra still talks/thinks like a spastic teenager despite having been involved with stopping multiple interplanar threats and being part of a revolution on her home plane. At some point all this needs to actually affect her in some way. Preferably have her mature a bit but even after torching Ulamog and Koz she couldn't walk. Why not give her a limp or something from now on. She just had an entire plane's mana channeled into her which she used to cast the biggest fireball of all time, stress like that should show.

>>52669393
??? The tons of people who do you goalpost moving faggot

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>>52667437
Nicol Bolas just wants to sit in his armchair with a book and be left alone. All this "Bolas is EVIL!!" stuff is outrageous slander.

>>52669714
>Goalpost moving
lol

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>>52666883
No keyword like threshold locking all the abilities.

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Why is this thread full of /pol/-shitters and nu-/tg/?

>>52666980
>4W
Why.

>>52668218
>rb minotaur
And that's only because BR pisses through cards quickly, so he'll always be a 4/2 first strike machine, probably beefier when you're just running Minotaur lords and Lovisa Coldeyes.

>>52669776
>/pol/ shitters
Protip: ctrl+f wuz gives you 3 results, and /pol/ gives you two. I don't know what argument you lost, but you can leave now. You're free from the thread.

>>52669674
>this is basic shit
Yes. Yes it is.

>>52667050
It's shit for edh too, mate

>>52668982
Wait what?

Is the color identity of this card only blue or is it blue-white?

>>52667526
Can pick up a sword and hit people with it until they die, I guess, I don't particularly care about her but then again I play garbage like Ruric Thar fuck blue.dek and Azusa's durdling with lands.dek.

>>52669776
there's not even /pol/ shit today, surprisingly

>>52669747
He a gud boi
He gettin his GED and goin ta church

>>52669960
Blue. Look at all the mana symbols. Both in cost and in the rules box (barring reminder text).

>>52669960
>The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that card’s mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see rule 604.3) or color indicator (see rule 204).

>>52669747

I find it odd how they chose to remake him as the new big villain and just the four other elder dragons got forgotten entirely.

>>52669753
>lol
lol

>>52670052
? He killed the other elder dragons

>>52670052
>I find it odd how they chose to remake him as the new big villain and just the four other elder dragons got forgotten entirely.
bolas killed them, that's his entire deal

>>52668982
Wow, you, like, have horns dude. you must be a minotaur!!!

>>52669674
>Seriously this is basic shit.
Yes it is. However, do you actually believe their writing team is going to follow that line of logic? Maybe you're right, but I've got a feeling you're wrong on this one.

>>52666980
It basically tells weenies to fuck off, and would cut the incoming damage from 2/2 zombie flood in half. Not great, but still has some use.

>>52667437
>The devastation is the jacetice league's fault
>Bolas saves the people from the resurrected gods.

>>52667473
A lot of Legendary creatures are boring now too, because they aren't given enough spotlight (because of Planeswalkers).

>>52670154
At 4W, you're probably already close to death from a token flood by the time you can play it.

>>52670152
Yes, I absolutely do.

They're trying to make the gatewatch into a comic book.

>>52669674
Everyone knows this is basic shit.

People are disappointed that wotc doesn't give a shit about anything.

>>52669653
>Does someone actually think Sorin Sparklepire's Vindicate is an improvement over Gerrard's?
That's kind of an unfair comparison considering that Vindicate has one of the best flavor texts in the entire game

>>52666980
>>52669822
>>52670154
As bad as this card is, i can see it being used. It's uncommon so its theoretically possible to get more then one in limited formats, where the 5cmc isn't as big a barrier.

Would I ever build for it? HELL no. But if you ended up with 2+, I don't see enough enchantment removal in the set to deal with it (so far).

>>52670185
>They're trying to make the gatewatch into a comic book.
>Comic book
Jesus titty fucking christ, that's worse then them not following any kind of plan. Fucking Marvel and Disney ruining shit like usual.

>>52666980
Is that a fucking horde of zombies outside?

>>52669131
Especially when it's a country on Earth adjacent to the countries on Earth represented in three other sets. You mean to tell me Egypt-plane has no relationship to Greece-plane or Arabia-plane or Africa-continent on Earth-plane?

>>52670249
I would have liked it at 4cmc, but 5 is unplayable.

>>52669653
I like to imagine that they are lazy at their jobs as a practical act of defiance at this point.

>>52669660
Well the story with Kruphix mentioned a now dead god that was the god of love.
So pressumably that would have been the RG one.

>>52669653
I actually hate vindicate because it makes no fucking sense outside the story. What about vindication has to do with destroying a permanent? Why the shitty art?
At least anguished unmaking coveys removing a permanent, but it hurts.

>>52670340
RIP best waifu, we never knew ye.

>>52666917
What the fuck do you want, it's basically another Baneslayer. This card is amazing, you fucking degenerate.

>>52669156
And this is why "a real place but not" is dumb:
Atlantis was canonically revealed by an Egyptian envoy to Greece.
One of the persistent stories is that Egyptian culture was brought there by survivors of Atlantis who buried the complete records of their civilization under the Sphinx.

This shit's cool! If Theros and Amonkhet were on separate continents instead of planes, you could have connections between them and discovery of a crazy secret, actual worldbuilding instead of "Remember Egypt from third grade???"

>>52669131
I just want Mesoamerican plane

>>52669229
Play Docent of Perfection, senpai

>>52670454
>Mesoamerica
azlatan

>>52668373

>Completely upend society, ending a thousand years of stable rule because of "MUH IDEALS!" and (almost certainly) leave nothing at all in it's place
>"WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG? DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE THE HEROES HERE?"

[Insert joke about American foreign policy]

>>52670454
Why tho? They'll just fuck it up like India, Greece, and Egypt.

>>52670550
Is India Kaladesh? But there was no poo

>>52670605
I don't know Smuggler's Copter shit over it all pretty hard.

>>52670605
Thus the fuck up anon.

>>52666883
This card really pisses me off. Where's the flavour? Maybe being a dissenter causes other people to get angry which is why they have haste and can untap? But where's the excuse for the FOUR fucking keywords this piece of shit has?

>>52670650
So that she can have a Naya color identity and be a good guy. Seriously, this chick is just ability soup. There's no real flavor or fluff on her card, she's not thematic in any way, it's just slapping together keywords so she does what design wants.

>>52670697
There is no way this card was in the design file when they handed it off. This has development written all over it.

>>52670650
>>52670697
It's clear that she is designed to be 100% an exert lord, but how that ties into the lore flavor I'm not sure.

>>52670452
>Atlantis was canonically revealed by an Egyptian envoy to Greece.
excuse me

>>52669649
kek

>>52670730
>It's clear that she is designed to be 100% an exert lord
And has been outdone massively by Always Watching.

>>52670063
>>52670078
The five who got cards killed all the rest, and Asmadi probably was killed by Palladia Mors, The rest died in assorted planeswalker duels and Chromium was made into a boat by his boyfriend.

>>52666892
Im putting this fucker into my kiln deck

>>52670733
In Plato's myth Greece learned of Atlantis through Egypt's descriptions

>>52670748
Sure but always watching isn't a legendary creature.

>>52668405

>GIVE IT TO ME BABY

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>>52669382
Interesting where they are drawing inspiration from.

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>>52670372
The Eternal Masters Vindicate with Sorin are and flavor text is pretty badass though

>>52666960
This would work great in my modern undying deck. Its all about sac and moving the +1/+1 counters

>>52666883

I like her. Then again, I'm a sucker for Naya Aggro.

>>52669038
>non phantasm clones
>Bad
What year is this

>>52666960
can Aristocrats be a deck in standard again? At least until Zulaport rotates out?

>>52670650
From her flavour text and her warrior type, we can guess she was trained for the trials before... well dissenting. So she has fighting abilities: double strike. She is also a voice for the dissenters, hence giving haste to others.
Her untap ability, made to work with exert, represent her reaching people that gave themselves totally (exert) to the trials and pull them out of it.
Vigilance is only there for gameplay reason, so her untap ability get used eventually, though it could represent being always vigilant as a fugitive I guess.
And why Flash? Well because fuck you that why.
I have no idea what I am saying.

>>52670838
Uh huh, uh huh

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:^)

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>>52670897
>5 mana
>aggro
????

>>52670733
>>52670803
Yeah, I had it backwards. In Timaeus, the Greek Solon visited Egypt and brought back the story, which includes Atlantis attempting to take over the world and being repelled by a force led by Athens, which force was dragged beneath the earth at the same time as the island.

Oh, the other dumb thing about Atlantis in Magic is that Argoth already was Atlantis -- get a new damn story.

>>52668373
So does that mean Phyrexia is the hero because they're freeing everyone from mortality and imperfection?

>>52671108
Phyrexia has always been the hero.

>>52671026

I'm thinking more EDH than anything else. I have a Kalemne EDH Voltron deck that I really half assed. I'll probably turn it into a Samut Voltron or something.

>>52670650
2 swords :^)

>>52670605
Kaladesh is India as much as Ravnica is Slavic/Eastern Europe.
It's just a bit of spice to liven up what would otherwise just be a magic steampunk plane.

But for some reason people sperg about Kaladesh Indian influences either claiming it doesn't do it enough or complaining about poo in the loo.

>>52668224
Also its easier to new walkers to fight something that takes your spark energy from you when you dont really have any to use.

>>52666883
Yay, another black woman who is against the establishment of the world she grew up in. It was revolts in Kaladesh and its Dissent in Amonkhet.

We will be row row fight the powah with our black women for the rest of time aren't we? Its all so tiresome.

>>52671297
Maro stated gatewatch will be toned down past hour of devestation (hint, someone dies im sure )

Hopefully we get a break

>>52671297
Don't forget Thalia being branded a heretic by the white male church of Avacyn when everything started going crazy on Innistrad.

>>52671369
>white male church of Avacyn
You mean the church lead by all female angels?

>>52671230
Their application of social justice is absolutely one sided. Its been going on for long enough people are noticing the pattern and are reasonably upset that there is so much focus on it, when that focus is obviously having an adverse effect on the actual game development.

But hey, at least evil empires are being beaten by plucky underdogs left and right right? We need a block where the "bad guy" realizes the Gatewatch are overstepping their bounds and shit slaps them back to Dominaria. Hopefully someone in the Gatewatch dies soon, those fuckers are on a warpath with no repercussions coming back to them.

Nahari should have killed Nissa.

>>52671366
Maybe they sense the pendulum swinging back with a quickness.

>>52671398
The church lead by the Lunarch Marshall - Odric.

>>52671366
>Hopefully we get a break
Maro is lying through his fucking teeth like the business man he is. He doesn't give a shit what people want, so long as he's rolling in cash. As of the moment, the "social justice league" is making money and their stocks are still high.

>>52671203
>samut voltron
>isn't cheap (Like Isamaru or Skullbriar) nor has inbuilt protection
Just get Sigarda and do a voltron with her. All you have to do is just slap indestructible on her and you can put people on a clock.

Samut will just be chumped all day, no evasion. She's a shit voltron commander. She's a bad Exert commander too. It's honestly easier to just put Vigilance on your creatures and use untappers. Or just all in with Aurelia. She's just one of those ability soup cards that are good in standard, but shit everywhere else.

Her art is shit too, no conveyance of motion or speed. Double Strike, Flash AND haste? That bitch needs to be displaying serious velocity, and all she's doing is striking a very awkward pose. Also she's an ugly nigger.

>>52671420
Even better would be inner conflinct in the Gatewatch.

A couple of hotheads drop to some plane and start their new 'dissent'. And kind of go overboard or maybe the target was wrong, or maybe it was a set-up. Anyway later other guys from Gatewatch come, facepalm, and try to set things straight.

Epic battle of Gatewatch vs. Gatewatch.

>>52671801
>Even better would be inner conflinct in the Gatewatch
It's already happened. After topping the Consul on Kaladesh who weren't actually doing anything wrong because it was all Tezzeret's doing, Gideon put his hand on Nissa's shoulder. She got ***triggered*** and asked Gideon not to do it again.

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>>52671702

If he really wants to be in Naya for a Voltron deck there's always, you know.

>>52671864
That's more of a pillow fort deck, because everyone will gang up on you.

>>52666960
>Black god named Bontu

What did WOTC mean by this?

>>52671864
That set logo is so fuckin cool compared to what we get these days.

>>52671889

Eh, thinking about it it probably isn't that great of an idea anyway if he actually wants to convert his Kalemne, I can't imagine much of that deck would actually support Uril. Especially since you generally want the pillowfort/enchantress shell for him anyway.

Throne of god Pharaoh will be banned in EDH within a month.

>>52672011

The uh... The card is from NuZendikar block.

>>52672011
>Oath of the Gateswatch card
>has a reference to Zendikar

Wow

>>52672028
I'm dumb, off to go kill myself.

In my defense its been forever since I have looked at mtg cards.

>>52667383
What a fucking racist

>>52671420
>Their application of social justice is absolutely one sided. Its been going on for long enough people are noticing the pattern and are reasonably upset that there is so much focus on it, when that focus is obviously having an adverse effect on the actual game development.
What does social justice have to do with my post about their use of indian influence for Kaladesh?

>>52671525
All the contrary.
2015 was a record-setting sales year.
2016 was all downwards.
Speculation indicates 2015 sold so well because stores prebought like crazy in expectation of the enemy fetchlands.

So pretty much, they lied to their business partners and have burnt the public out with SJW bullshit. People don't want politics in their hobbies and tumblr likes do not translate to money. On top of that rumor has it Cocks doesn't like MaRo or Stoddard and have a stern dictate for R&D to improve the game's playability and expectator interest or get going.

The pendulum has swung.

>>52672095
People have to remember Marp has ZERO say on card power level, when it comes to CMC or how many cards you draw, or how much an ability costs, or how many tokens you get.
It's all on development.

Blame Erik Lauer and David Humpherys.

>>52670800
Seems way worse than nivix cyclops.

>>52672163
Doesn't he make cards. Isn't that his entire position. I remember him saying he's turned down multiple promotions because he wants to make the most cards possible.

I mean, he doens't have final say, but he's a big part of card development I thought.

>>52672095
You're not bullshiting? It's starting to swing back? Maybe there's hope after all then. I might get back after the next couple of sets.

>>52670117
Suck enough cocks and they'd buy it.

>>52668999
They are lead by the guy who sat there guilt tripping Sorin after he was forced to kill Avacyn.

>>52672296
Yeah there have been sorta covert messages sent for a few months now. Some from WotC people, some from "pros" like LSV. There is a big disconnect between what the consumer wants out of the game and what the SJW within WotC want to push. Sadly, the nature of the game means we wont see any real change for a year at least. This also sheds light onto the timing, they probably jumped in head deep into the SJW angle when it was in full swing, but the product doesn't come out until the fad has expended its use. By the time it was showing up in the tcg scene it was already an albatross. They bandwagoned onto something they thought was gonna be a huge cultural shift, too idiotic to realize it happens every so often and is summarily slapped down each time.

I would feel bad for them (wotc) except they are fence sitting while knowing they are in the wrong. They know why the game is down now and they won't admit it was them and their push, not the consumer, that fucked up a relatively good thing.

My hope is that when it does swing back noticably, all the fags playing to virtue signal instead of play fun games will be gone, moving onto the next shitty area SJW diseases can fester. It will leave us to our own devices in our "nerd hobby" again. It will be a second renaissance.

>>52672296
>>52672095

Holy shit can't you guys keep your /pol/ circle-jerk to your containment board or do us all a favor and lead pull yourselves?

>>52672011
It's from Oath of the gatewatch.

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>>52669391
To be fair, that's a good idea that will never be used because we can't follow anything other than the fucking Gatewatch or Planeswalkers/plane regulars anyone actually fucking cares about.

Just imagine if we were following cathars as they investigated Innistrad's Eldrazi problem instead of Lesbian werewolves or Bitches Being Bitches and Whores 5: The Get Backening.

Just imagine had we actually gotten a proper story for this?!

>>52672426
>Someone doesn't like how the story is going nor likes how they push their ideology into said story
>He must be from /pol/! RACIST RACIST GO BACK!!!!!
Faggots like you are the reason why nobody likes millennials thanks asshole. This is why no one takes us seriously.

>>52672515
lesbian werwolf only showed up for a single story

>>52672568
And that was one too many.

>>52670497
Now that i've noticed, both Stormchaser Mage and Soul-Scar Mage are wizards, so this card is actually good. The problem is the high CMC

>>52672572
true, but at least she wasn't relevant

hell at least saheeli did something

>>52672522
Your persecution complex is unbearably cringy, neck yourself.

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>>52672294
Only thing design does is pic related.

>>52672423
The company can never admit wrongdoing unless the circumstances are extremely dire. Admitting you done goofed opens you up to a whole world of shit from just about every angle imaginable.

MTG's product cycle being so fucking long is more likely a product of their logistics. With each set they print half a billion or more cards. I'd be curious to know how long one 'print run' lasts and what their target numbers are, actually.

They're a big fucking company now too so there's an assload of internal bureaucracy involved in everything. Approvals need approving and those approvers need approval of their own.

I don't see them getting their cycles under a year unless they get out from under Hasbro and become self-owned.

That aside, their business decisions are a great example of the twitter effect - a relatively small portion of people in the grand scheme of things that make it seem like whatever opinion they hold is much more widespread that it actually is. It can also occur when you get fresh-from-college employees who have some liberal and progress ideas, perhaps from the aforementioned twitter, but lack the experience and framing to weed out a yappy few from overall trends.

I guess there's also some blame to lay with management who are probably wanting to appear progressive for the sake of appearing progressive.

My biggest grievance is how the player no longer has any agency in terms of the game's story.

>>52672522
>muhlennials
if you were born before 1990 you are way too old to be arguing politics in a children's card game thread

>>52672608
>I'll label you an undesirable
>nah, that ain't me
>stop with your persecution complex undesirable!
>it aint me starts playing

Not even that anon but not everyone is gas the kikes race war now just because they are tired of the shit being spewed by WotC.

>>52672647
>The company can never admit wrongdoing unless the circumstances are extremely dire. Admitting you done goofed opens you up to a whole world of shit from just about every angle imaginable.
Or unless it's a year later, since no one's buying packs of it then.

>>52672608
Nah, I'm going to stay living just to piss you off.

>>52672650
Read my post again.

>>52672647
Why would you, the planeswalker, want to be the focus? look at all these other planeswalkers that are fucking gay you could play with!

Is the player even canonically a planeswalker any more?

>>52672163
From what I've read/heard in the business side of Hasbro, Cocks hates pretty much everyone in WotC and blames R&D and PR in particular for how un-optimal the brand is for the jump to the esport market.