Amonketh spoikers

Buy as many as you can, this card is gonna be huge.

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Doesn't stop pic related. Better pick up your copies before the price spike.

>>52658862
KANGZ

>>52659249

TEACHERZ N SHEEIIT

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>>52658862
Tyson, big fan

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>dies to any relevant removal in modern
>doesn't stop planeswalkers in standard
>doesn't ping off triggered abilities

It's trash, anon

>>52659724
Well no shit it doesn't trigger off of planeswalkers - it'd basically say 'opponents can't play planeswalkers, each opponent sacrifices each planeswalker they control'
Because it does stop planeswalkers. You can redirect that damage to them when they activate something else.

>>52659886
>when they activate something else.
Sure, like what?

>>52659914
Standard? Vehicles, manlands, Walking Ballista, clues, Dyanvolt Tower and anything else that wants you to pay energy.
Modern? Fetches and manlands are big ones, ghost quarter, Affinity has Ravager/Overseer/Cranial/Jar, there's scooze, Mishra's Bauble, Spellskite, Fulminator Mage...fuckloads of shit

>>52660065
Oh yeah Mishra's Bauble, let's give DSJ another four functional copies of Street Wrath for free.

>>52659249
Nignogs? In my trading card game? God forbid!

>>52659724
He can redirect the damage to PW... HUE

>>52658862
>Black guy
>The Hash Mentor

>>52658862
>the Ash Mentor

Card is getting overhyped. It's good, but it's not eidolon of the great revel.

It's a hate-bear. It's not goyf/snap cycle's red card- all of those cards are powerful in that they reward deckbuilding / play order. This card slaps your opponent for playing particular card types, but is literally grizzly bear vs. decks it doesn't effect- your opponent doesn't need to necessarily play around it or use sideboard hate to weaken it- they can simply sit down with a 75 of mono green stompy and have no cards that trigger this guy.

>>52658862
Odd flavoring

>punishes people for using gods

>>52659724
>dies to any relevant removal in modern

You're right, that's also why Eidolon is so bad and nobody plays it

>>52660642
Fetchlands are 3 damage with him...
Kill kiki-jiki combos, melira combos, etc...
Divining top = shock every turn
Can stop lantern control...
Can redirect fetch damage to PW
Deathrite shaman = GG
Etc...

>>52660702
YEAH BECAUSE THIS CARD TOTALLY DOES 2 DAMAGE ON ITS WAY OUT THE DOOR LIKE EIDOLON DOES

>>52660747
THIS CARD ISNT EXACTLY LIKE THIS OTHER CARD SO ITS BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>52660761
YOU WERE THE ONE SAYING IT WAS EIDOLON MY DUDE

>>52660822

No one was saying it was the exact same thing. Just pointing out how stupid your "Dies to Doom Blade" argument is, like it always is.

>>52660837
Worst case scenarios
>Play eidolon
>your opponent removes it promptly and takes 2 damage
>Play this
>your opponent removes it promptly and takes 0 damage
One dies to removal and does something, the other is 2 mana wasted.
I don't think the card is terrible, but the 'dies to removal' argument is perfectly sound.

>>52660965
Menace is such a letdown. 2B seems reasonable and 1B is the only "fair" priced of the God abilities.

I really wiah they stuck with enchantment creatures/devotion

>>52661067

"Devotion is too confusing. You can't expect people to keep track of the number of symbols" - Wizards Design

>>52661067
Doesnt make sense in an egyptian plane anon. Theros gods lived in Nyx, pretty much space. The amonkhet gods are always corporeal and they walk amongst their people.

>>52660965
This is SHIT.

>>52660965
G>W=B>>>U>>>>R


What happened with these gods, why do the U/R require so much work for so little pay off?

>>52661184
>Grixis Colors still leagues behind GW

Seems to be the pattern in Wizards design,

>>52660676
purification through pain

>>52661148
>Nyx
I love how Enchantment creatures require fluff justifications in order to exist on a plane but nodody bats an eye with the 9999+ artifact creatures waltzing around the multiverse.

>>52658862
>Black father figure
>punishes you for spending time with him
>smack you whenever you do shit
>says it's for your own good
>You know that it's only him wanting to win
sounds about right

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>>52660965

>>52658862
Come on Wizards. I know you guys love one upping Grizzly Bears but this is a bit extreme.

>>52661029
Stupid question, I'm kind of new to MtG
It says menace replaced intimidate as a keyword; does that mean cards with intimidate as treated as having menace instead?

>>52661436
No.
It means that, instead of printing cards with intimidate, they're printing cards with menace. The cards printed with Intimidate still have it - they just aren't printing any more.

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>>52658862
>an opponent
oh i know EXACTLY why i have this boner

>>52661436
Nope. This means that they aren't printing any more cards with intimidade. Instead, they use Menace when they want to give Black an evasive ability

>>52661460
>>52661476
That makes sense, thanks

>>52660965
I just realized this thing will NEVER get to block unless you are building a deck around it (scion token and the like). Why the hell does it have to be a creature under your control??

>>52661184
Black has been by far the worst one. youre shit at evaluating cards

>>52661564

Yea having to lose a creature BEFORE attacking or blocking makes this god worthless outside EDH.

As usual, only the Green and White creatures are playable.

>>52661614
>3 mana indestructible sac outlet that scrys and life drains
>not playable outside edh
Anon, you're really lacking imagination here

>>52661184
>Red god that low
>Being hellbent on t4 as monored is hard
>being able to discard your dead draws for damage is bad

I really thought the /tg/ was bad at magic thing was just a meme

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>>52661698
You don't know how erect I would be if this were real.

Sadly, it is not real.

>>52661698
lmao

so this is the actual green vanilla mythic maro talked about

>>52661650

>Standard is a format of 4/4 flying 2 drops and turn 4 infinite wincon
>Modern is about drawing 2-3 Thoughtseize/Inquisition and going first

Maybe it'll see some play in Standard after rotation/bans but until then I wouldn't bother trying to make this work.

>>52661184
>Red God much worse than Blue God
No.
G>W>R=B≥>>>>>>>U

>>52661698
going straight to my Mayael edh deck for that 1/1000 chance to get it along with Mayael's aria

>>52661698

GRAB THE THUMPERS

>>52661698
is this real? pls let this be real, itd go great in my xenagod deck

>>52658862
Probably modern-playable and worth replacing Eidolon with depending on the meta.

>>52661804

It's some of the spiciest sideboard tech you can bring against Lantern Control, also decent against Merfolk or Affinity.

>>52660965
I don't think this is bad as the other gods
its a sac outlet, and gives you lifegain/damage to boot. Scrying is just extra
If youre abusing the sac effect, you can attack almost every turn and he is super efficient as a creature

>>52661476
>>52661460
I miss when MTG would actually have like specific color hate in the form of fear/intimidate and landwalk and other such effects

>>52660239
>The point
---------
>You're head

>>52662260
Eh. Landwalk/intimidate/fear I can see the reasoning for getting chucked.
They need more shit that's ACTIVELY anti-color. 'fuck up target blue thing' 'counter target red thing' 'murder target green thing' 'burn those white weenies' that kind of shit. Less randomly hose people for playing colors because you now have an unblockable, more actively fuck their shit up because fuck their color.

Is Amonkhet the most boring set in recent MTG history?

The only cards that seem interesting in any format outside of standard are:

>Harsh Mentor
>"Bicycle lands"
>As Fortold
>Vizier of the Menagerie
>Hapatra
>Oracle's Vault

Even out of those, they all seem to be EDH fodder, with the exception of Mentor and the lands which may see sideboard/fringe modern play. Fuck this set

>>52661067
>>52661139
>>52661148

I kinda wonder if the idea is that these gods are different than the Theros ones were because they were made by Nicol Bolas and are thus at some level "fake". Perhaps in Hour of Devastation or some later "Return to Amonkhet" block "real" not!Egyptian gods can be discovered/freed/whatever that will function like the Theros ones

>>52662472
Oh, forgot the white Parallel Lives, which I suppose is fine for W/B or W/R edh

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>>52661698
>8 mana
>20/20
MY INNER TIMMY IS SCREAMING WITH JOY

TIME TO MAKE MONO-GREEN RAMP GREAT AGAIN

>>52662358
So, RED/Pyroblast, BEB/Hydrblast, Dread of Night/Virtues Ruin? Might as well add in Deathgrip/Lifeforce, Tsunami/Boiling Seas and all the rest.

I approve, make magic great again.

>>52662472
There's nothing even good for standard. This is a format where a 4/4 Vigilant flyer starts beating down on turn 3 and there's a turn 4 infinite combo.

We don't even have Lightning Strike anymore.

>>52662472
that red one drop with prowess

>>52662691
That's not playable outside of standard.

>>52661698
Fling.

>>52659217

FUCK

OFF

DESOLATOR

>>52662491
There's no reason for any gods of other planes to behave like Theros gods. The gods of Theros are woven out of the fabric of Nyx, the star-field that swaddles the plane.

>>52661698
so this is fake right?

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>>52662734
>R/G Wurmfling
Stop anon, I can only get SO erect!

>>52660965
Can't wait to pick up a masterpiece version of this piece of crap for $5

>>52662771
ah scratch that idea then, never knew the lore for Theros, thanks for posting it.

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>>52662734
*blocks your path*

>>52661374
It has nothing to do with the enchantment part, it has to do with devotion. Devotion is something completely unique to Theros gods.

>>52662730

It has a place in Burn as extra Swiftspears/ways to deal with Goyf

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>>52661698

>>52663010
I disagree. Haste is what makes Guide and Sportswear so good. The wither effect of this guy is pretty pointless when your burn spells should be aiming at your opponent and not a creature. In burn, if a creature doesn't have haste, doesn't do damage to the face, and doesn't draw into more burn, it's not running. There's a reason the standard modern burn creature suite is 4 Guide, 4 Sportswear, 4 Eidolon, and occasionally a Lavamancer or Revealer.

>>52663113
*it's not worth running

>>52663113
The hell is Sportswear?

>>52662790
>>52662734
Anything else with the same effect?
Maybe add some unblockable effects like rogue's passage
And slap your opponent in the face with your giant worm ;)

>>52662932
My complaint is the lack of enchantment creatures compared to artifact creatures. Future Sight is the only other time one was made. The Opaline Cycle doesn't count.

>>52662928
What now, bitch?

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>>52661698
It's fake. The 69 in the collectors numbers are off and it's using an "and" instead of "&" in the copyright section.

Some cruel timmy-hating anon pulled the wool over our eyes.

>>52661698
Please be real. You're not really good but I love your existence.

>>52661698
>dies to removal

>>52663113

Because there could never possibly be a situation where it's advantage to aim your burn spells at creatures. No sir, not in a meta dominated by Jund and Death's Shadow.

>>52661698
This into RIshkar's Expertise, draw 20 cards, cast Fling or Fateful Showdown for free

>>52663272
> it's using an "and" instead of "&" in the copyright section.
Nice catch
20/20 was too much, I doubt they'll ever make bigger than 15/15 unless the lore is asking for it

>>52661732
U and G ones are the best ones. You'll see.

>>52663402
It's a damn shame too - for the first time in years I was actually excited for a new standard set.

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>>52661151
>>52661409
/tg/ being bad at evaluating cards again, i see

>>52660965
Fuck this will be spicy in Karador
>>52662860
One can only hope, anon. even if the font is godawful

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>>52659249
Ever heard of the Twenty-fifth dynasty?

>>52663548

Explain how this is somehow going to make Aristocrats a good deck

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Can we talk about the white Parallel Lives?

>>52663926
Well... it's nice. What is there more to say? Token decks are already playing white and green most of the time anyway, so it will be an auto include I guess.

>>52663243
Soul's Fire.

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The fake wurm is spreading - it's on some spoiler site now.

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Glyth Keeper
3UU
Creature - Sphinx
Flying

Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability for the first time in a turn, counter that spell or ability."

Embalm 5UU (5UU, Exile this card from your graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a white Zombie Snake Hydra with no mana cost. Embalm only as a sorcery.)

>>52664033
More trash blue rare

>except it's a white Zombie Snake Hydra
???

>>52664012
The biggest give away is not the copyright text, but the flavor text. Not even the creative team are that bad.

>>52664044
Copied the reminder text straight off Honored Hydra I bet.

>>52664033
It has built-in protection and evasion. Might see play in standard control lists?

>>52664033
5/3 flying with protection.. I guess it could be worse.
>except it's a white Zombie Snake Hydra
White Zombie Sphinx.

So Nissa is becoming Green & Blue.
What's Next?
Jayce White & Blue?
Gideon Red & White?
Chandra Red & Green?
Liliana still Black?

>>52664071
If this didn't I don't see why that spinx would, especially with how badly it trades with vehicles

If only embalm was instant speed

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>>52664071
>>52664103
Forgot the picture

>>52664099

>tfw no black white tsundere Liliana

>>52664103
Docent doesn't protect itself. The Sphinx eats four entire removal spells, and your opponent has to play then two-and-two, and the second time it's also uncounterable.

Docent is far, far, far worse.

>>52664033

Absolute beast in limited, doubt it'll see play in constructed

>>52661139
To be fair, I do remember mouthbreathers thinking their Islands counted toward their devotion count because they tap for "U".

>>52664140
Docent can take over the board and bring 12/9 worth of flyers if left unanswered for a single turn and it still didn't see play when every deck played mostly 3 damage removal to counter copter

Even if that sphinx is much, much harder to remove it won't see play because it doesn't impact the board nearly enough

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>>52662928
Did someone say Hero's Downfall?

>>52664224
>sorcery speed
Nope

>>52664033
I guess if control gets good but has no better wincin this is not that bad.
>>52664115
For a control deck i would rather play the sphynx then siper delver, delver can't protect himself at all which is no small deal in control.

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>>52664224
>Sorcery

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>>52662928
but why are there 2?

>>52664255
Because Wizards is pushing the Jacetice League like it's going out of style.
>4 Nissas
>3 Gideons
>3 Chandras
>3 Lillis

>>52664255
What's the point of preventing all damage dealt to him if he has indestructible anyway?

>>52664255
Planeswalker Deck.

>>52664273
>Jacetice League
>1 Jace

That proves just how much WotC hates blue

>>52663701
Yahenni is much better in Kara if you're looking for outlet to B'Pod into... or do anything else really

>>52664279
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe indestructible creatures can still lose health they just can't die from it normally.

>>52664315
But that's my point. Why does it prevent damage when he can't die from it.
Is it super secret anti lifelink tech?

>>52664325
Because damage would still remove loyalty counters from him.

>>52664334
Ahh fair enough. I didn't think it would when he was in creature form, but that makes sense.

>>52664279
wither/poison damage, and "when X deals damage" effects

>>52664325
Infect/Wither

>>52660740
>melira combos
Redcap can just kill this guy first, then you.
I agree with you though, this card is beautiful

>>52664279
the set had wither at some point during development and some cards have wither-like effect.

>>52660965
What a disappointing piece of shit, why does it have such a big ass when it'll never block?

>>52664195
>if left unanswered
That doesn't matter when it's so easy to answer and doesn't do anything the turn you play it while also being much slower than Copter. It's not a very good card.

>>52664279
Because otherwise he would still be able to lose loyalty counters. This is how every other Gideon works. The people talking about wither are retarded.

>>52664325
I know the 5/5 gideon is a big deal not taking damage because grasp is -4/-4 so you cant block him then grasp.

>>52664479
Even without the prevent damage clause that wouldn't work. Gideon would just be an indestructible 1/1 with whatever amount of damage marked. It still wouldn't die.

>>52664033
This is the kind of cards that make limited a skill testing format full of opportunities to outwit your opponents!

>>52664325
Yeah, any Planeswalker permanent loses loyalty counters when dealt damage. It's why Sarkhan Dragonspeaker loses the Planeswalker type and has reminder text for his transformation.

>>52664437
My point was that back then most of the removal couldn't kill Docent yet he saw absolutely 0 play even when he traded up against the most played card of the whole format

A hard to remove 5/3 sphinx would have been worst back then and is barely better now, it won't see play.

>>52660965
Why are people memeing this is bad? Create some black tokens.

>>52664626
You could do it with the -1/-1 -> insect enchant with a good enabler, or any of the returnin zombies, but it's still a fair amount of work to make it work in comparison to the other gods.

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>>52660965
>Cartouche of Ambition
>Lifelink and -1 counters
>Bontu
>Menace and drain/gain

>>52664603
>trade up

I don't think you understand what that phrase means.

You are also misevaluating this card. It is not comparable to Docent in the slightest in spite of their similar bodies. Docent never saw play because it lined up poorly against common removal, couldn't be counted on to generate any sort of board advantage because of this, and could never attack into Avacyn mana. Sphinx suffers from only one of these problems, which is even mitigated by it being inherently recursive. If Sphinx doesn't see play, it will be because all of the control decks are Dynavolt Tower variants, not because it's anywhere near as bad as Docent. (It isn't.)

>>52664225
>>52664254
Can someone explain why sorcery speed is bad?

>>52664694
Can't kill vehicles. Can't be used reactively, meaning you may be forced to spend your fourth turn killing their three-drop Gideon instead of casting your 4-drop. It just isn't as flexible in general.

>>52664694
Sorcery speed keeps you from removing the planeswalker in the same turn they entered the battlefield
It also force you to waste 3 mana during your turn if you want to use that removal (keep in mind that during your turn, you can also attack the PW with your creatures)

>>52664662
>Cartouche of Strength
>trample and fight
>Rhonas
>deathtouch and pump

>Cartouche of Zeal
>can't block
>Hazoret
>hellbent and burn

gee it's almost like they're just cards, not directly linked. And if you're going to say how pump links the green and haste links the red, then I'll note how lifelink and drain/gain are practically the same subject and how -1/-1 counters can kill your creatures to activate the black god.

>>52664048
>ancientgrudge.jpeg

>>52664708
>>52664716
So literally just it's not as efficient as a instant? Because if I'd played a 3 drop in turn 3 and they played their Gideon in theirs, I'm sat there with my dick in my hand anyway.

>>52664680
The only common removal it died to is grasp of darkness and reflector mage. As for attacking into Avacyn it wasn't an issue once you flipped it
If your opponent didn't have either of these and you dropped a Docent the game was over in the next turn or so especially since it turned off their copters as well but because Docent costs 5 mana and doesn't impact the board

That new sphinx just sits there waiting to trade into a 2 drop and can never generate any of board advantage no matter what

>>52664743
The creative team are bad. Horrendous even. But they write crap like
>The lacerators cut themselves before each hunt. They must feed before the sun rises or bleed to death.
They overexplain their setting because they fear people wouldn't get it otherwise. They don't write incoherent nonsense like
>Out of the desert came suns of gold, and the Maw of Sands leapt to devour

>>52664750
Essentially yes. There's also the matter that instants have myriad more applications in the later stages of the game. There's hosts of abilities that people would use for various circumstances, such as granting a creature with hexproof or indestructible effects, which an instant-speed spell can respond to and neutralize before it actually takes hold, diminishing your opponent's resources as you get the same kill you would have gotten anyway.

>>52664791
>They don't write incoherent nonsense like
>>Out of the desert came suns of gold, and the Maw of Sands leapt to devour
They do, but as a citation of something in-world, like a book or a legend
We have flavor texts that are part of the Amonkhet religious text "The Accounting of the Hours" in this set

>>52664805
Even then they wouldn't end the sentence so abruptly. They'd feel helplessly compelled to tell us about what he devoured and how tasty it was to him.

>>52664861
>Ancient Grudge is the perfect example for all flavor texts
No.

>"Out of the desert came suns of gold, and the Maw of Sands leapt to devour." - The Book of the Unveiling
Is something that could be written on an actual MtG card.
We have examples of this in that very same set, like I said earlier

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>>52664805
>The Accounting of the Hours
Is it just me, or does this sound like one of the rituals of Festivus?

>"And now we begin The Accounting of the Hours! We are going to reflect on time we feel has been wasted by others this year. I'll go first."

>>52664907
If they tacked a "them." on the end of the sentence I'd have bought it. As it stood, it ended a bit awkwardly, which didn't help sell what was already a pretty off-the-wall "card."

>>52664931
>rituals of Festivus
What? Is it edible?

>>52664940
It can feels a bit awkward, yes, but we don't care about what it devours.
That thing is a huge ass hungry Wurms that is hungry. It's not a good news that it is out.

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>>52661067
God subtype is just Avatar but they can use God since the 90s binle thump phase is over and edgy fedora tippers are the new mainstay.

Even though it's obviously fake, I'll be extremely disappointed if there isn't at least one sandwurm in the block.

>>52661698
THE SPICE MUST FLOW!

>>52664781
Stasis Snare, Murder, and Harnessed Lightning with even a minimal amount of set-up say hi.

>>52664999
With the amount of sandwurm art we had in the first Amonkhet story, it's pretty sure we're gonna have some
From what the arts look like, we'll probably have a sandwurm tokens generator

>>52661698
Untrue and homosexual.

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Here's that big vanilla mythic we've been hearing about for a couple sets now

>>52662472
>"Bicycle lands"
But you can only cycle them once

>>52665050
Fake

>>52662928
T3 get emblem for +0
>>52662928
T5 legend rule swap to paragon, use +0

Can't be damaged, you can't lose until he loses all his loyalty

Laugh forever.

>>52663269
K E K
E
K

Can anyone link me to the green god/tell me what it does please?
A couple of anons have mentioned them, but I can't find it online, I've somehow managed to find every god but green.

>>52665066
Er
>>52662928
>>52664255

>>52665066
Not
>T3 Of the Trials, emblem
>T4 Ally of Zendikar, +1
>AoZ +1 forever

>>52665082
http://www.magicspoiler.com/

>>52664987
There's a new, confirmed difference now that we have a second series of gods with a similar theme as the previous.
Gods are, essentially, indestructible avatars with low cost but they cannot join battle unless conditions are met. For Theros the condition was always devotion, but now we have gods with customized laws to follow.

>>52665095
Turns out I'm blind, thanks anon.

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>make a set with cool lore and nice art
>introduce fun color shift creature types like zombie angels and hydras
>make a cycle of badass looking gods
>reprint FOW and a ton of other legacy edh staples as masterpieces

>make the cards unplayable in standard*
>make the cards unplayable in modern*
>make most of the edh cards overcosted and outclassed by other cards
>print tiny art on masterpieces with a card frame 98% of people hate
>one of the few exciting mythics is a fake

>mfw

*except 1-2 potentially, mostly SB tech.

>>52665150
>>one of the few exciting mythics is a fake
Are you talking about the wurm?
How can you be excited by the fakest fake card to have ever faked? Even a card from /ccg/ would have done the job better.

>>52665150

>nice art

Half the art is digital vomit

>>52665150
We got that new kickass sphinx for Living End.

>>52665224
Nice as in the lore and story comes through well, of coure your a 'all digital art is trash' poster probably so your opinion is worthless.

>>52665195
And still more fun than any of the others shown.

>>52665232
A few small toys for tier 2-3 decks.

>>52665232

That sphinx is not going to go into living end, it's not even remotely sufficient reward to add the fourth color. Living End's manabase is sketchy as it is.

>>52665035
Ok, so Docent was weak to sideboard removal so what?
That doesn't change how the best thing you can hope this sphinx to do is to trade with a 2 drop

>>52665303
Not him, but the art on 4 out 5 expeditions are atrocious. What little you get to see that is.

>>52665342
I've seen some Living End lists play GRWU instead of Jund, since Ardent Plea is easier to cast than Demonic Dread (cause you don't need your opponent to control a creature) and you don't need black for Street Wraith.
I'm not saying that it's suddenly gonna become the top deck, but there's already some incentive for Living End to run an extra colour.

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>>52665352
The sphinx and priest are nice. Most of the blue god ones are trash. Feel its the frame that really brings them down.

>>52665388
The actual art is great on its own. It's the frame that's trash.

>>52665405
Force of will new art is garbage. The original is such iconic and looks so great in frame it would be hard to top, but I agree with "shit cgi" poster that it looks like static render garbage, art alone. The way the magic is draen looks like ps2 graphics.

>>52665388
There's another nice Sphinx in set, pic related.

It reads:

>Blue Sphinx (Even though all Sphinxes are blue and yet this one ain't)
>3UU
>Flying
>Whenever ~ becomes the target of a spell or ability for the first time each turn, counter that spell or ability.
>Embalm 5UU
>5/3

A pretty mean and efficient stick overall. Lategame embalm could also be very handy.

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>>52665476
Fuck, forgot pic.

>>52658942

Incorrect. It'll preorder at about double what it'll end up costing because it's going to be a sideboard card at best in standard and most other formats. Granted, it's very good against combo and artifact-heavy decks, but it's probably not more than a two-of in the main deck if it gets there.

I'd say it settles around 5-8 bucks or so two months out from release.

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>>52665451
>The original is such iconic and looks so great in frame it would be hard to top
No. This is objectively the best Force of Will art

>>52665388
ah, ［］TIBAZE!!!1!!1!1, my favourite !π§±∆№† in all of @↭°¡\!£µ3+

>It has been years since every color lost their staples
>Blue has no one mana cantrip or good 2 mana counterspells. Good and cheap card draw seems to be missing.
>Red has only one instant burn that can hit both creatures and players. It's vanilla shock.
>White has no cheap o-ring effects or 4 mana wraths.
>Black has no cheap sac effects or good instant speed removal. They also have not good reanimation spells.
>Green has no mana mana dorks or 2 mana land ramp. Fun and exciting 2 mana dorks in exchange for pushed 3 drops.
>Spoilers tell us this will not change for amonkhet and high chances that hour of devastation will be the same.
>Standard is dying everywhere

>>52660965
Bontu is a girl

>>52665527
>>Black has no cheap sac effects or good instant speed removal
Fatal fucking Push

>>52665562
Too lazy to resleeve them from Modern decks :^)

>>52665497
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>52665497
No

>>52665562
Good, an exception. The only one worth mentioning. Doesn't stop standard being a garbage fire.

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>>52665613
But Anon, it's not legal in Standard

>>52665598
>>52665601
Original Terese Neilson art is some of here worst work and is only popular because of nostalgia
New Terese Neilson is cool, but ruined by its odd perspective
I'm not even gonna mention the Amonkhet art

The Judge Promo art shows the actual details of the spell the best (a sudden unstoppable bubble of protection sustained by sheer force of will). Plus, there's such a perfect expression of calm on the wizard's face, like she's stoping the spell as if it were nothing. Which fits perfectly, considering what the card does.

>>52665527
>make the game artificially more grindy by bumping everything one mana
>do this for all colors
>claim you fixed the issue of fast decks and everythings midrange
>all you really did was make a t1 where nothing ever happens and kill control

>>52665698

Last warning bud.

>>52665497
EM and Alliances are both great.

>>52665698
No

>>52665698
This, so much this
The old art could have been slapped onto a random red combat trick and people who say otherwise are hypocrites
Why would the rarer Alliances card cost cheaper than every other version, if not because people can't stand the godawful art and shitty old frames?

>>52665725
Why? What makes Alliances version good other than the card it was printed on?

>>52665760
>could have been slapped onto a random red combat trick
That's literally what the art was originally comissioned for. They chose to make it a counterspell afterwards.
Terese Neilson said that the original description for the art that WotC gave her was "A shaman using red magic" or something like that.

>>52664791
>incoherent nonsense
Out of the desert came Sun's of gold
>metaphor for the twin sunrise of Amonkhet
And the maw of the Sands leapt to devour
>the wurm breaching skyward as if to devour them

And you dorks wonder why we get over explanatory shit.

>>52665224
What?
Pretty much all art is done digitally.

>>52660965
Almost as expected except one of your guys has to die to activate it.
Activated ability was a tad better than expected.

Not the worst thing ever but no way nearly as good as the green and white gods.

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Since no one else has posted it.

>>52665891
Probably because there is nothing to say?
>Correct in limited
>Useless everywhere else

>>52665914
I bet people are going to try this against Saheeli combo just because it dodges fragmentize, too bad Nahiri can just exile it

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>>52665639
>tfw Garbage Fire for 15

>>52665506
that clearly says Tidazenit, not tibaze

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Sweltering Suns
1RR
Sorcery

Sweltering Suns deals 3 damage to each creature.

Cycling 3 (3, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

"The Hekma protects the city from sandstorms and monsters, but nothing can stop the sweltering heat of the suns".

>>52666005
Nice
>Sorcery
Less nice

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>>52666005
>"Nothing can stop the heat of the suns"
>Sweltering suns can be countered

>>52666005
That's pretty nice actually.

>>52665891
>Anger of the Gods but no exile and cycling when you don't need it
Eh, not bad.

>>52666042
There's no cards with that Mana cost and effect at instant speed

>>52665891
Great flavor and art. Too bad it doesnt even stop a 2/2 zombie so the mechanics fuck the flavor.

Want it as a playmat.

>>52666101
Stops the Copycat Combo, although you may as well just have Authority of the Consuls if you wanted to ruin their day.

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>>52664255
>That Male Sideboob

>>52666087
I know

>>52666042
That's way too good at instant. The only time it's happened is Spontaneous Combustion and that's 1BR and you have to sac a creature.

>>52660965
I was hoping it was going to be lifelink and 1B, pay life: draw, but having that much scry that is also bleeding them is pretty fucking nice.

>>52665944
>deck can kill on turn 4
>hate it out with a 5-drop
doubt

>>52665843

When people complain about "digital art" they don't actually mean "Digital art", they mean bad digital art with particular fault that only occur in digital art specifically, i.e. bad compositing.

>>52666137
nigga that's gay

>>52665961
That's never happened anywhere. Already by the time that it deals 4 or 5 damage is highly splashable removal and would go very early after that.

>>52666005
Better Anger of the Gods. I like it.

It's such a shame that this standard format is defined by creatures that dodge sorcery-speed removal and a creature with 4 toughness.

>>52661688
During spoilers it always becomes incredibly obvious who has their head screwed on right

>>52666197
It happened to me once during my first draft round. Nobody wanted to touch Garbage Fire for some reason, so I was left with it as my 15th card. After that, I tried to take as many Garbage Fires as I could

>>52666200
Much worst than anger in the current standard if only because of Scrapheap Scrounger and now we have embalm creatures as well

That cycling cost is too expensive to make it main deckable as well

>>52665698
>calm on the outside
>brain damage and minor hemorrhaging on the inside

>>52665639
How do you even verify this during a game?

>>52666200
How is it better than Anger of the Gods again?

>>52666231
I was thinking in Eternal. Any deck that plays Anger is gonna replace it with Sweltering Suns for a net upside in almost every situation.

>>52666259
because you will cycle your board clear more often than you'll need to exile dead creatures.

>>52666261
Net upside? Anger of the Gods exile creatures.

>>52666256
>Draft Garbage Fire
>Tell everyone "I draft Garbage Fire for [Amount of cards drafted this round] damage.", then write it down on a piece of paper
>Do this every time you draft it, but keep the highest number

>>52666256
The note where you wrote it down.

>>52666256
By looking on the paper where the number is written.

>>52666261
All cards with that cost and effect have a net upside. The question is which is right for the meta you expect to face.

>>52666283
I'd like to see you exile a tarmogoyf without 2 for 1ing yourself.

>>52665639
Post the Eternal Masters version

>>52666311
Do it yourself.

>>52666283
It also exiles YOUR creatures.

>>52666299
So unless Dredge becomes a thing again, Sweltering Suns is better

>>52666327
Not shit, Sherlock. Anger of the Gods is still better.

>>52666336
Anger is better against any form of recursion, and also against and also stops death triggers.

>>52666352
In BR reanimator/graveyard matters decks, they would rather have Sweltering Suns so that they can bring back their shit than Anger of the Gods

>>52661698
A dune reference, I wouldn't put it below wizards to do.

>>52666298
>>52666293
>>52666292

Thanks, so you have to declare it to the table to ensure you're not cheating.

I've never done a conspiracy draft so it;s a bit confusing to me.

>>52666383
I see your point. I get why it would be better in certain decks.

>>52658862
My favorite thing about this set is all the art that has an ibis just chilling with some people.

>>52666383
>br reanimator
>caring one niggling tit about a three mana sweeper
You wot?

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>>52666397
We already know that sandwurms are a thing on the plane as they have shown us several pictures of them. It was literally like the first thing we got to see after the gods.

>>52666375
And drawing cards is better in many more situations than dealing with recursion.

>>52663272
Hey, great catch. I knew I was missing something, but I thought I'd fixed that.
This card is something I really want to see as a green mythic. It's big, it's intimidating, and I'll be damned if it isn't unique. I'm a little sad that the actual vanilla mythic is probably not going to be nearly as interesting.

I debated a "them" in the flavor text, but it shifted the last line down a little and ruined the centering effect that it had.
Great catch, and good eye!

>>52665891
Oh golly gosh, I sure hope Bolas doesn't do something to the Hekma in hour of devastation. Nobody could possibly glean such a thing from such subtle commentary

Today we will get a card named Sandwurm Convergence that makes Wurm tokens.
Screenshot this.

>>52666281
Tell that to modern

>>52666502
Also a Manticore that pierces hearts.

>>52666496
Wait, are you implying that Bolas is evil?

>>52666488
Drawing a card is only better in matchups where the boardwipe would be a near blank.

>>52666336
Dredge IS still a thing, it's like you don't even play fucking modern.

>>52666496
>>52666515
>insulting the god-pharaoh
Die you non-believers!

>>52666515
He's just trying to make the multiverse great again

>>52666489
Hey man, if you did doctor that card up, I just wanted to say I liked the flavor text. "Them" would have flowed better with our modern linguistic sensibilities but isn't necessary and leaving it out gives it a more poetic feel.

>>52664781
>That new sphinx just sits there waiting to trade into a 2 drop
Firstly, Copter is banned. Secondly, don't attack with into a 1-drop. Thirdly, I am so sorry you thought that Docent was a good card.

>>52666512
>Curse of the Pierced Heart reprint
Yes please

>>52658862
>doesn't trigger from planeswalkers

Shit card.

>>52666556
I hope he kills the Gatewatch.

>>52666559
I second this
That flavor text was pretty great

>>52666504
>>52666523
>>52666525
Dredge is present, but it's not more present than every other deck in the format where boardwipes are worthless.
Dredge is ~5% of the meta at most. Control and Combo are closer to ~50%.

>>52666561
Heart of Kiran

>>52666620
>Control and Combo

In modern?
Wat?

>>52666656
What a fucking mess.

>>52666656
>Spicy
Also almost checked

>>52666561
Of course copter is banned but what about Heart of Kiran and Scrapheap Scrounger or any 2 drops from B/G counters?

>don't attack with into a 1-drop
What does that even mean

>I am so sorry you thought that Docent was a good card.
It sure as hell has more potential than a shit sphinx

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>>52666559
>>52666601
Aww, thanks. I was definitely going for an "excerpt of large epic" feel, but I don't think we've had access to anything other than "The Accounting of Hours", which didn't feel appropriate.
Here's a better image of it, if you wanna use it for sweet EDH shenanigans and your playgroup is cool with it.

>>52666656
>>52666672
>>52666666

>>52666656
Sure that's real? There just seems to be so much going on with that card.

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>>52666656
Whoa mama

>>52666656
Pretty sweet.

>>52666620
>Control anywhere near a large portion of the meta
Okay you literally just told us that, yes, you don't play modern. I play modern in my local gaming store, online, and even go to pptq,gpt, and gps, and out of all of those I only even played against control like twice. The rest of the time was aggro, combo, or aggro combo, like affinity, infect, dredge, deaths shadow*, burn, storm, and of course the occasional mid range like Jund, junk, bant eldraZi, and of course Tron, eldrazi Tron and meme stuff here and there.

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>>52666656
What is the purpose of this? It's like a random generated card.

>>52666708

>it's a chimera without trample

fugg D D D

>>52666656
KEYWORDS
E
Y
W
O
R
D
S

>>52666656
JUST A FEW MORE ABILITIES

>>52666721
WB Zombie tokens on its way to FNM!!!

>>52666708
>Spellheart Chimera that doesn't die to bolt

YES. Fuck Trample, this is already perfect!

>>52666656
In which situation would you ever use it to untap another creature?

Like, why? That's pretty much flavor text it's so irrelevant.

>>52666721
Oh boy, yet another toy for infinite combo bullshit in EDH.

>>52666656

So the artist for this card posted the art a few days ago (and then deleted it) with the #planeswalker tag

>>52666724
Roborosewater is taking over

>>52666656
HEY KIDS REMEMBER KEYWORDS

>>52666656
SHIIIIEEEEETTTTTTTT

>>52666748
It has vigilance so you can untap another attacking creature with an activated ability that requires tapping during combat.

>>52666748
Gotta make her Naya somehow for some reason.

>>52666656
I like it, but the white ability seems too tacked-on.

>>52666642
>>52666710
Fine, then "control" and "combo." You know, like how Tron is "control."

If you really wanna split hairs, we can do that. Dredge is 5%. Grixis, Tron, UWx, and Jeskai all together are about 15% according to tournament top 8 statistics. Therefore, Sweltering Suns is better than Anger in at least 3 times as many situations.

>>52666779
The singularity is already here!

>>52666748
You untap your exerted creatures when the opponent passes

>>52666748
>In which situation would you ever use it to untap another creature?
>Like, why? That's pretty much flavor text it's so irrelevant.

play an exert creature, it gains haste, attack with crew and untap the exerted creature

>>52666793
>>52666791
>>52666748
>>52666690
EXERT

>>52666721
Seems strong

>>52666748
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY PUT AN ABILITY CALLED EXERT IN THEIR NEWEST SET

>>52666831
Most exert card are garbage.

>>52666862
That's another problem
That legend is made to work with Exert.

>>52665476
>>52665484
This is nice but there's no way it's going to be played in standard when the Bluehulk is still around. Freaking limited beating though.

>>52666656
Another clusterfuck legendary card to please the EDH crowd

Having both flash and haste make it really awkward

>>52666708
I can't wait to face shitty limited decks because people opened this pack 1

>>52666656
a bunch of good combat abilities doesn't automatically made the card itself good too
>>52666728
grixis new favourite pet-toy

>>52666656
>creature with flash (primary green, secondary white, splashable in other colors)
>double strike (primarily red or white)
>vigilance (primary white, secondary green)
>haste (primary red, secondary black and green)
>other creatures get haste (red)
>white activated ability
I feel like this thing wanted to be rw with a green activated ability, or rwg but someone in design was just stuck in EDH headspace with color identities meaning something for the color of a card.

>>52666686
He's not wrong

>>52666793

The white ability is there purely to make her better as a Commander.

I'm actually fucking annoyed how that special snowflake format has become so popular that it actually fucks with card design.

>>52666656
Eh, I'd rather use what's already there for Naya in EDH, reminds me of Akroma a far as "all of the fucking keywords" design goes, she's only really missing a form of evasion.

>>52666656
>it's another block with the same fucking resistance storyline

>>52666656
>Million random abilities: the creature

>>52666933
>>52666893
>>52666913
See >>52666886, >>52666838, >>52666831

>>52666933
I don't play commander but can't you only use cards of the color in the mana cost of your commander?

So if you use her you can only have red/green cards and lands.

I mean sure you can use stuff to generate white mana but it seems pointless to have the card be just r/g.

>>52666937
Having double strike is essentially evasion.

>>52666708
What's the Odds that we'll see some UR Prowess in Standard? We have Thing In The Ice, Bedlam Reveler, Enigma Drake, Stormchaser Mage, Soul-Scar Mage and even Cryptic Serpent. But do we have nice Instants/Sorceries to backup those creatures?

>>52666971
It counts as a WRG card in EDH.

>>52666992
alright then

>>52666971
Colour-identity counts all colour-icons appearing on the card, producing mana, costs, anything. She's Naya

>>52666987
Are there any blue or red instants or sorceries that hard counter Copycat or Mardu Vehicles?

>>52666987
The current standard red have a shitload of burns right now.

>>52666948
I have no complain about it being synergistic with exert
It's just that having both flash and haste put you in an awkward situation where you feel like wasting its haste abilities if you play it during your opponent's turn and you feel like wasting flash playing it on your turn

And it's a clusterfuck of a card regardless

>>52666971
>I don't play commander but can't you only use cards of the color in the mana cost of your commander?

No, Commander's concept of "colour identity" checks every mana symbol on the card, no matter where it's located. Mana symbols in text box are a part of it.

I don't remember if mana symbols in italicized text (rules examples) count anymore, I think they did at one point and that was stupid.

>>52667029
I think the idea is that you can play it on your opponents turn, untap a creature, and then double block with her and the creature.

If it's real.

I hope it's not real.

>>52666948

If exert was the only reason, the cost wouldn't be white. The cost of the ability is only white to make her Naya instead of Boros.

Man, I'm gonna complain so much when the survey for this set comes up.

>fuck your invocations
>fuck this clusterfuck of a legend

Some of the art is nice, and a few cards I could get behind but pretty dissapointing set overall .

>>52667048
I know Extort's reminder text doesn't count, so I'd assume it doesn't. There was an extort card in the JD & Turk precon.

>>52667061
>I think the idea is that you can play it on your opponents turn, untap a creature, and then double block with her and the creature.
Impossible

And yes it is real http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_ZwfaTSMgZp.png

>>52667048
>they did at one point
I don't remember a time when they did but they definitely don't now. Crypt Ghast being playable in mono black lists is a prime example.

>>52666683

Wish that was real. That's specifically the kind of dumb that Mythic slot should contain.