/swg/ Tarkin Edition

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A fresh screenshot in commemoration of this thread's namesake.

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Does /swg/ read any EU novels?

I was considering running a D6 campaign, that was based around buying impounded starships at auctions, then selling all their contents and parts for profit.
Literally Storage Wars

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What does /swg/ think of the bor gullet?

My opinion:
It's entirely unnecessary in the movie. But as a bit of worldbuilding, I think it's a great addition to the more "bizarre" aspects of Star Wars lore.

>>52654104

But with some actual war?

>>52654123

I agree with common consensus that there was a much more conventional torture scene that didn't go well with test audiences or producers or something so they had to sci-fi it up a little.

>>52654141
Of course. There's a very real chance they'd run across something highly illegal in those ships, like spices or Jedi paraphernalia, and they'd then have to figure out how to get rid of it or sell it without getting arrested,

Anybody have alternate FFG character sheets, preferably edge?

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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kyber_crystal

Why are lightsaber crystals pseudo-sentient, semi-organic, Force-attuned structures now, instead of the naturally occurring and laboratory-replicable minerals that they used to be?

Why make one element of the lightsaber so steeped in symbolism and yet still require a plethora of mundane technological components to form the lightsaber blade? Why did they not just completely overhaul lightsaber internals to be more akin to Forcesabers?

Why do lightsaber crystals need to be "dominated" to be used by the Sith? Obviously they aren't Sith, but Han Solo/Rey/Finn never had to bend the Skywalker lightsaber to their will. We seriously have an objective "Dark" and "Light" side of the Force outside of Jedi/Sith philosophy now? Can we detect dark-side users now as simply as asking them to turn on a Jedi's lightsaber?

I used to love the EU mechanics behind lightsaber construction and the nuances of the Force: KOTOR II and all that. This nu-canon stuff boggles my mind and makes me a lot less interested in Star Wars.

Was Ahsoka the worst thing to come out of the nu-canon, or does it get worse?

>>52654104
This sounds dope. What's the catch?

Here's what I'd do:

One of the starships is an old freighter (one of the many CEC models, maybe a YG-4210 or a YT-2000) which has clearly seen better days. She's been modified and refitted countless times over the last hundred years, and has few original parts other than her hull and her aging navicomputer.

The customs inspectors who impounded this ship listed her as a smuggling vessel, which is readily apparent by the existence of numerous hidden compartments (which have since been ripped open and cataloged by the Bureau of Ships and Services) and evidence of her transponder code having been edited and replaced over and over.

She is currently listed as "Lot 1138" on her manifest, having been given a new designation by the Empire for her journey to your scrapyard. But in her past, she flew under such names as "Jackpot," "Stellar Vagrant," "Ornery Vynock" and "Bull." The poorly-welded patch jobs and wide swaths of spacer's tape only add to her charm, in her own way.

And that's why it's so surprising when, once you hit orbit, a small flotilla of pirate vessels hails you and orders you to heave to and prepare to be raided.

You see, her past has been well hidden (or tarnished, if you want to go that far), but this ship was the last known vessel of Forino Sun.

>>52654123
>>52654164
I doubt it's intentional, but it was legends canon for a good three decades before Rogue One that the rebellion used mind-reading aliens for interrogation along with drugs since they didn't do torture, and in later years the imperial Remnant adopted similar methods

>>52654581

Oh, you don't know who Forino Sun is? That's rather surprising, knowing how well traveled you are. A century ago, Forino Sun was the scourge of the space lanes. He was a king among thieves, one of the last true pirate lords before improved Republic cooperation with corporate interests and later wars made such powerful corsairs impossible. And here's the kicker - his treasure, a vast wealth stolen from the InterGalactic Banking Clan and other conglomerates in the waning days of the Republic, remains lost to time.

And even though you've escaped those pirates - and how bold are they, to attack in an Imperial system!? - don't think you're out of trouble yet. Because that navicomputer is incredibly valuable, to the right people. To the few who know what they're looking at. People like Moff Smail, a self-centered and corrupt man who would stop at nothing to wrap his fingers around that treasure map.

So now you've got criminals, and bounty hunters, and the Empire after you - and you're wholly unprepared for problems of this magnitude. But imagine what that kind of wealth would do to your lives?

Your chances are slim, but it's time to set sail for high adventure - and find the Lost Fortune of Forino Sun.

>>52654602
That could legitimately be intentional. Rogue One and her associated materials were littered with recanonized references to older Star Wars tidbits and lore. Pablo Hidalgo's Rogue One: The Ultimate Visual Guide is like reading the highlights of the old WEG D6 sourcebooks.

>>52654538

This was all George's idea. Blame him.

>>52654581
>>52654615
Shit, I was just going for a more mundane, combat-light campaign, but that actually sounds badass.

>>52654538
You're reading too much into it.

They need to "dominate" the crystal to attune it, but after that, it's already ready to be used.

Anakin attuned to his crystal in his saber, which then passed to Luke who used it - it didn't "re-attune" to Luke. The crystal lattice is already structured in a way that it can be used in a lightsaber.

It's just an extra step in lightsaber construction that adds mysticism to the color rather than having vain Jedi go out to find the color they want.

>>52654676
You know what you have to do, Anon. Find the treasure, become a pirate lord.

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>>52654538
>tfw you will never dominate a masochistic kyber crystal and make it call you master

>>52654538
Welcome to nucanon. It only gets shittier from here. The dumbing-down is expected coming from a company specializing in making mindless and clean entertainment for ADHD-afflicted 6 year olds.

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>>52654790
Sadly, that sort of thing is the best Disney can do right now. When Disney tries to do something complex, this shit happens.

>>52654538
>>52654790
>>52654870
Lucas came up with this since TCW

>>52654870
Also *Lucasfilm

>>52654980
>>52654995
Ay, still stupid.

>>52655002
If you're autistic sure.

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Ignore shitposters, let's talk about how pretty R1 was.

>>52655095

Picked up it of bluray sunday. I finally get to watch it, as soon as the missus has a free evening for it.

>>52655056
Yeah, crystals being sentient, living beings that need domination from Sith in order to be used by them sure isn't autism.

I don't disagree, but let's not pretend George was doing the franchise any favors post-RoTJ.

>>52655151
You're in for a treat.

>>52654870
Are you seriously suggesting that the Kingdom Hearts series' chronology is Disney's idea while Square Enix is commonly known for making overcomplex scenarios that are all over the place?

>>52655177
You're right, it isn't.

Bitching about it on an anomymous Mongolian spider-painting forum sure is, though.

>>52655177
How does the "living crystal" thing even work? Do they communicate? How do they respond to stimuli other than lightsaber witchcraft? How do reproduction, nutrient intake, waste ejection, and homeostasis work for those things?

>>52655287
It's the Force. They ain't gotta explain shit.

Explaining shit is how you get midichlorians.

>>52655287
They just "grow" and derive everything they need through the force

>>52655343
Midichlorians aren't even explained that much either. Star Wars is the wrong setting if you want the magic explained to a fine detail.

>>52654653
>>52654699
>>52654980
No, guys. This has to fit the narrative that Disney is ruining Star Wars. Why can't you get on board?

>>52655421
It's more that midichlorians were used AS an explanation. When people balked, it was retconned to be less "this is why people have the Force" and more "this is a way to measure how powerful someone is with the Force empirically."

Of course, the second wasn't really all that much better an explanation, but hey.

Are Edge of the Empire or any of those games any good? was thinking of starting a Star Wars table top with my group

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>>52655413
>derive everything they need through the force
>Organisms can feed themselves using the Force
>Aing-Tii view the Force as a rainbow
The Aing-Tii must think it tastes like Skittles. I wonder what other flavors of Force cuisine exist.

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Guess Zahn made this canon now

>>52655343
Better yet, have them be crystals and not fucking sentient lifeforms. Simple.

>>52655554
Is it called by name?

If so that makes me happy

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>>52655556
We do not know if they are sentient lifeforms or not. But like all things like it, the living force is with them.

>>52655570
Yes.

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>>52655615
>We do not know if they are sentient lifeforms or not. But like all things like it, the living force is with them.

>>52655554
I am REALLY curious about the new Thrawn book.

Is it any good?
What/who else did they canonize?
ART?

>>52654104
I used something like that before, an imperial governor who was a clone wars ace and massive spaceship enthusiast employed the players to find ships for his collection, mostly old stuff like a very first run Z-95 and a prewar LAAT/I prototype, but also stuff like at one point an X-wing (he had one preordered from Incom and it was obviously not filled, but he still wanted his shipfu, damnit)

>>52655615
I love that model so much, but alas, I am but a simple rebels only player with no one to play epic with.

>>52655632
It's good.

Some species are canon again: Makurth, Togorian, Ho'Din

>>52655635
Ship collecting or artifact hunting sounds like a fun idea for a campaign, something other than running drugs or killing shit. Just going around and getting ships for a wealthy collector. If you wanna take it a more direct approach, maybe the ISB requests the players help them with repo work for people hugely in debt and in possession of extravagantly pricey starships they bought with bad credit. Or, if you want a more lawless approach, old fashioned boosting, stealing starships and reselling them for exorbitant but under-market prices. The players build an empire of starship boosting.

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>>52655685
But what about /ourmustache/?

>>52655554
>>52655615
>Solar panels
Sienar Strikes again

>>52655713
Another mustache man is in it instead

>>52655695
I had an old RP character that was an independent contractor for the InterGalactic Banking Clan, whose background was doing repo for ships like this. You can imagine the situations that you'd get into. It was pretty gnarly.

The name of her ship was "Hell To Pay." it echoed Uncle Owen's line. Pretty great.

>>52655695
The ship collecting was really only part of it, it usually was more or less an excuse for them to visit all sorts of outer rim worlds and run into all sorts of incidental adventures there

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>>52655713
Replaced with a younger model called Eli Vanto, who teaches Thrawn to speak Basic. We'll see if he turns into Pellaeon.

Fun Fact: In the new Thrawn book, Imperial human racism is back, in part because lots of non-humans made up the Separatists in the Clone Wars, especially in the outer-rim.

>>52655695
>Repo Man in space
>all sorts of different parties hunting down some crazy Sith's old starfighter
sounds like fun

>>52655632
>>52655554
Huh. How is it we haven't gotten a Thrawn crew card yet in X-wing? What would his ability even be?

>>52655896
>Thrawn
>X-Wing
He'd be more appropriate as an Armada card.

>>52655965
And Palaptine isn't?

>>52655965
They could put him on an Imperial light cruiser, but it's probably too big for X-wing.

>>52655965
>>52655896

Thrawn is an officer aboard an assault carrier in the novel. I guarantee you within the next two waves you'll get your Thrawn crew.

>>52655990
Palpatine showed up in a Lambda in RotJ, so he has a closer immediate association with the Lambda than with Star Destroyers. Thrawn is more closely linked to Star Destroyers in the minds of Star Wars fans because Chimaera.

>>52656077
Tarkin's linked almost exclusively to the Death Star, but okay.

>>52655965
>>52655896

It should either be something where even when bad shit happens to you, you get an advantage (Like if Hux is Super Fleet Officer in X-Wing, Thrawn could be super Operations Specialist) or some more mind game shit.

>"Guess aloud your opponent's dial. If correct, smile smugly to yourself, take him out back, shoot him, and claim victory."

>>52656077

He's also pounded some ground in Rebels too though, In a notable way. And Tarkin is a card for Epic as well.

>>52656095
Who said anything about Tarkin?

>>52656113
He's usable in x-wing too

>>52656156
He is? I've been living under a rock. And that strikes me as out of place, too. Bigwigs like Tarkin and Palps need big ships to maintain their intimidation and cool factors.

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>>52656201
He's in the Raider box

>>52656201
He is only allowed on huge ships and he's kind of overcosted for what he does so I can't blame you for forgetting he exists

>>52656261
>>52656251

Yeah, Range 1-4 and free focus is pretty good, but it only can affect smaller ships in Epic it seems a little heavy for 6. For an Action Hux can do that at range 1-2. but for 3 ships. You have more points in epic to fuck around with though.

I need nonsense wisdom for a half-assed ex padiwan pretending to be a jedi master to dispense, any suggestions?

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>>52656395

>>52656395
>don't pet a burning dog

>>52656395

>There’s the doughnut and there’s the hole, and you should keep your eye on the doughnut… The hole is so deep and so bad. The doughnut is a beautiful thing.

>Remember, the living are just the dead on holiday

>The goose may fly, the fox may stalk, but only the pig hunts for truffles with his nose.

>you can observe a lot just by watching

>Man is just an animal trying to figure out how to kill time through his days.

>A man with one watch knows the time. A man with two is never sure.

>you have to look within yourself to save yourself from your other self. Only then will your true self reveal itself.

>The crystal is the heart of the blade. The heart is the crystal of the Jedi. The Jedi is the crystal of the Force. The Force is the blade of the heart. All are intertwined: the crystal, the blade, the Jedi. You are one.

What about an all-tusken-raider campaign? Would that even be able to get off the ground?

>>52656395
>The wind in the vase only cracks it open.

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>>52656395
Life is a fairytale written by the force

>>52656427
>You see student, when halfswording lightsaber like me, you shall have perfect point control because of fear of severing hand

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>>52656588
>raiding trade ships and sandcrawlers
>scuffling with wily Jawas
>trying to steer clear of Hutt thugs and local militia
>permadeath
>may only communicate through physical gestures and guttural calls

That sounds like it'd make a fun one-time evening of gameplay

>>52656696

Give your glove a phrik disc on the palm. It'll resist being torn to pieces by the force and you can have some manipulation of the blade. You can probably use a phrick gauntlet to give the whole thing a nice, solid SHOVE if it gets stuck with your forearm.

I can't imagine how that'd be useful unless you're in a duel and get into a saber lock. It's be a decent surprise, but probably a gimmick that'd only really work on a noob, similar to a spinsaber.

>>52656588
You'd have a difficult time of things off Tatooine.

Tuskens are smart, but don't know how to actually use much technology that they haven't made. They also aren't capable of speaking Basic for the same reason Wookiees aren't, something to do with their vocal chord structure. You'd have a cool party idea, but one that couldn't interact with anyone or do much of anything off-world without a droid assistant to interpret and translate for them, assuming they'd even know how to work a droid and not just break it down for parts.

>>52656363
I guess it's a nice hard counter to Poe Dameron?

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>>52653946
Why did they make Tarkin look so much older in Rogue One than he looked in Episode IV?

They added a ton of extra wrinkles along the forehead and around the eyes and lips, and made the skin look more flushed and mottled with age spots.

>>52657551
Probably because most people remember him as old and with more details you avoid the whole mannequin uncanny valley thing

>>52657470
Or anyone using deadeye, which in epic would probably be reasonable expectation to see, or to trigger opportunist on your ships, or just cut down on the effectiveness of any aces or cripple combos from pilots like Garven Dreis or Esege Tuketu or possibly Ahsoka though I don't know in what order those two would resolve, there's a whole lot of situations I can think of where it would be very good but I think it comes down to a question of opportunity cost.

>>52654123
Good concept. Lame in the context of Rouge Uno tho. It felt like a scifi bauble

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>>52654123
Perfect doujin material.

>>52655896
>>52656003
Not before Trioculus, you fucks!

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>>52653888

What's the ideal size for an Imperial task force protecting a spacegoing factory ship like pic related? Big enough to fend off most threats, but small enough to not attract them in the first place.

>>52657551
The bust of Cushing's face they used to make the CGI was from the late 80s so he was a bit older than in ANH

>>52657551
The lighting

My god I just got shit on in the XwingTMG subreddit for suggesting that the Raider Corvette was also a wreck on Jakku (it was recently canonised in Thrawn). Bunch of fucking autists over there Jesus.

>>52658035
>subreddit
Why?

>>52658035
>Raider Corvette was also a wreck on Jakku
sauce on this or are is it just your pure speculation that there might have been a Raider on Jakku?

>>52657721
A few ISDs and probably a couple dozen smaller ships

>>52657721
>>52658107
>a few ISDs

If you mean Imperial-class, then that's much more than a small defense. A single Imperial-class, even a I, would be a match for a sizable fleet of smaller ships.

>>52657551
The real Peter Cushing looks unrealistic.

>>52658376
This is genuinely the most likely answer. Making him 100% perfect probably looked even more like CGI. There is no perfect answer.

>>52658358

I think you've failed to understand how Imperial warship doctrine works. They got ISDs out the wazoo, more SDs then they know what to do with. SDs better than BBs, CAs, FFs and all other kinds of ship. Only thing bigger would be a CC. This is the military force that built their military planning and records office on a beach planet and then stuck a couple of ISDs to watch over it.

For an actual serious military factory ship, a pair or singlet of ISD with TIEs would not be unheard of, plus associate escorts - depending on the nature of your factory and it's position either some light cruisers for more picket or patrol type duty, or maybe some lighter corvettes and gunships.

If you're trying to be subtle, you park it in the middle of uninhabited fuck all, and pack it with whatever the freakishly high number of TIEs something like the Arc Hammer can probably hold and just GTFO if the rebels come calling. Or if somehow the Emperor, Vader, the Admiralty or the Moff Council hates the guy running the ship - despite that not making any sense - then the CW era mothballs come out, a could of Victories or Gladiators and escorts.

>>52655664
>>52656363
I played an epic game last weekend flying a raider and gozanti. Sailed the raider up the centre of the table and wrecked shit with its primary. Tarkin proved useful as a defensive card, he shut down an A-wing with proton rockets amongst other things

So, Battlefront 2 trailer appears to have leaked
https://vimeo.com/212842535

>protagonist of campaign is female Imperial
>has prequel era
>has sequel era

>>52655554
Holy shit this is in Battlefront 2 as well!

>>52658358
That IS a small, unobtrusive task force by imperial standards

>>52658913
Dope as fuck. Why'd I buy the complete edition of the first again?

>>52658913
Sure would have been nice if that was for a new Rogue Squadron or TIE Fighter game which I could maybe have some hope about the gameplay and story for instead of a fucking EA Battlefield reskin where the gameplay will be identical to the last one and the story will be some 20 second cutscenes between multiplayer maps full of bots.

>>52658913

Oh hey, it looks like a real game now.

Also, sweet Raider integration there, LFL sucking FFG's dick back as much as FFG sucks theirs (Looking at you Wookiee Gunship)

>>52659007
>Read Thrawn
>see Raiders in it
>"oh cool"
>suddenly this happens

Jesus christ I know this is a leaked trailer, but fuck man that timing

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>>52658376
I wish they'd just cast Wayne Pygram as Tarkin again, like they did in the end scene of Revenge of the Sith.

>>52659032

Behold my brother, Synergy and cross-promotion.

Now if only FFG and EA could team up for a STAR WARS: X-WING: THE VIDEO GAME.

>>52659057

Please god no, I dont want EA anywhere near it.
Have you played Battlefront?

The starship controls are literally cancer.
Space combat in that game is fucking pathetic, I wouldnt want them touching X-Wing with a ten thousand foot pole.


>>52659000
I just hope they dont shit out the same awful vehicle controls and the card system.
But they'll both be in.

Everything is horrible.

>>52659045
So much THIS.
By the end of Rogue One, I was begging for this.

Also, is it just me or are their a lot of black women in the Empire? I feel like we've accidentally pushed past slight diversity for human roles into this weird space where our default imperial build is "generic white dude with facial hair" OR "generic black woman with identical ponytail".

Unless the BF2 chick is one of the ones we've already seen. If it's Cienna I hope Thane is a playable Rebel

>>52657721
Why would the Arc Hammer or one like it even enter an inhabited or uninhabited Star System? Run it like one of the Deepdocks, or how it was run in Dark Forces. The complete middle of nowhere with supply runs only by the best.

And maybe an ISD just to be sure.

>>52658913
>imperial protagonist

About fucking time.

>>52659116
The BF2 pilot isn't black. She looks latina to me.

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>>52654089
Yes

>>52654123
Agreed

>>52659074

It'll be an improvement. EA has publically expressed disappointment with retention over sales on the first one - to people it actually gives a shit about (I/E Investors and Shareholders) so they'll need to actually do something to try and improve it. How much of an improvement we'll have to see.

>>52659000
>>52659074
No, EAfront was WORSE than a Battlefield clone. If it had been a Battlefield reskin I could have maybe MAaaaaybe considered installing Origin for it.

But no, it's some weird CoD wannabee.

>>52659074
>The starship controls are literally cancer.
>Space combat in that game is fucking pathetic, I wouldnt want them touching X-Wing with a ten thousand foot pole.
You mean a game that isn't centered around spaceship combat has subpar spaceship controls? SAY IT AINT SO

>>52659196

>having to play for 50 mind numbing levels to play as a twilek
>or 75 to play as a rebel pilot

I wanted to play as them, but holy fuck, that grind just made it impossible for me to care enough.
That, and the fact that they split the playerbase with their dumbass 'each dlc is a separate server list' bullshit.

>>52659239

Yeah, except flying a heli or jet in Battlefield doesnt make you want to kill yourself.

Somehow, they made it a thousand times worse in Battlefront.

>>52659169

Well, she's ambiguously brown, with dark hair in the exact same long, slightly puffed ponytail which must apparently be the imperial navy's grooming standard.

>>52659262
And it's still not going to be anything like the controls for a dedicated spaceflight game you mong.

>>52659291

No shit sherlock, but EA are physically incapable of good video games these days.

They for some reason thought the massive downgrade in piloting control from Field to Front was okay, and you want to trust those niggers to run an X-Wing game devopment team?
Really?

>>52659262

>Yeah, except flying a heli or jet in Battlefield doesnt make you want to kill yourself.

They must really have improved that in BF4 then. Because I literally killed myself in every Helo in BF3, and I saw videos of hardline which didn't look much better.

I didn't really want to kill myself playing vehicles in EAfront though - except maybe to end the boredom in non Air Superiority maps.

>>52659244

See, this is the retention they're talking about. They want you to play forever to grind up, so their numbers look really good and they can maybe try and weasel DLC and microtransactions sales out of you. But it failed because the initial release of BF was too grindy and arcadey for most people to actually bother playing for that fucking long.

EA should never have switched from the model for MP on ME3. All the expansions and new characters and shit was free, you could grind enough for a regular random loot box fairly commonly, but if you wanted to buy a shitload with real cash you could - but you still had to play those classes to level up.

>>52659286
I don't even care about the possible SJW implications of the protag, all I care about is that a we get another one of the precious few Star Wars games that let us play as the good guys desu.

>>52659319

Battlefield 1 and Titanfall 2 have pretty solid 89 metacritic scores - compared to Battlefront scoring in the low 70s on most platforms.

>>52659319
>Thinking EA codes the stuff themselves
I miss when people could tell the difference between a developer and a publisher.

This might be news to you, but I rather doubt that EA is going to assign a hypothetical XWing game to whatever devteam does their bangshooty FPS games. Unless EA only has bangshooty devteams anymore, I don't really keep track of that stuff.

>>52659262
>>52659343
I could only just BARELY fly in BFBC1&2, god if you had an actual good helicopter pilot in those games you and your gunners were angry gods, otherwise you just crashed.

>>52659396
It added character to the games. It felt like what would happen if you yourself climbed into a helicopter and had to fly it. If you didn't master the controls, you're doomed. It was great.
BFBC2 really should have been the mold for all of DICE's later shooters. It was a perfect mix of quirky and gritty.

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>>52658913
>Battlefront 2
That name is going to be confusing as hell real fast.

>>52659286
I think it's Janina Gavankar playing her.

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>>52659045
>Wayne Pygram
We should save him for the Imperial antagonist in the Han Solo film.

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>jokingly remark about how Mouse Droids can do blaster repair, but you have to put your blaster on the floor, or pick them up onto the table.
>Engineer friend comes up with a pulley elevator system powered by the mouse droid's wheels less than five minutes later. Complete with (crudely-drawn) schematic
He's earned it. I don't care what the circumstances are. He's starting the game with a mouse droid for this autism.

>>52658913
>Prequel era
DROPPED

>>52659908
>crudely-drawn
you're giving him too much credit, anon.

>>52659920

>implying playing as Clone Troopers isn't the best

I bet you fuck clankers.

>>52659908

The bottom bit is the front end of the mouse droid. I have no idea what the scribbles on the rest of the page are. I'm thinking alcohol was involved somewhere.

>>52660081
Clone troopers are worse, CGI versions of stormtroopers.

>>52660081
But the super battle droid had wrist rockets.

>>52660165

WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS!

>>52659882
>implying young Tarkin won't be the antagonist against Han Solo
There's still room for him.

>>52660222
Trips confirm young Tarkin.

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>>52653888
Why do autismos like mandos so much?

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>>52660356
Because they attract the star wars equivalent of the edgy batman wins-everything crowd.

>>52660356
idk. I'll ask my GF tomorrow, she's a mando fangirl.

>>52660356
Boba Fett was cool, and mandalorians are a whole race (yeah, yeah, not a race, whatever) of mandalorians. Just like every hutt is a gangster, every twi'lek is a stripper and every bothan is spy.

>>52660485
>Boba Fett was
not a true mando
neither was Jango

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>>52660356
Mandos were basically super soldiers that anyone could join if they were badass enough, but weren't beholden to any to the tyranny of the empire or the corruption of the Republic like regular soldiers. Basically they allowed people to self insert as badasses whose only rules required that they be total badasses. All sorts of toys got added on to justify mandalorians kicking ass, such as their super special steel the Empire never figured out, their special armor, the special starfighter that could be operated under analog power for some insane reason, Boba fett coming back from the dead and becoming a super special leader for the mandos, and probably other stuff I'm forgetting. Their problem was getting overhyped by people who loved military sci-fi and wanted to see it in Star Wars. They appeared exclusively in the EU till the prequels integrated them a little with the Clone Army.Then canon wipe made them way less relevant, but they're being recanonized as less overpowered versions of their old selves with a less individualist and more clan-centered attitude.

They also got written as one of the few non-force user factions that could stand up to the jedi on combat and appeared regularly. There were a hundred other groups like that, but they rarely if ever appeared again, so people latched on to mandos because they assumed the only way to have a character on par with the Jedi without being a sith was to be a mandalorian. That's part of why I like them as a teenager, but I only read about a dozen and a half or so EU books so my knowledge of what Mandos were like may be limited. Then I realized they were overhyped and I'm glad they're getting reworked into new canon.

>>52660556
That anon was saying Boba WAS cool. We all know he's no Mango-lord of Mango-world anymore.

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Man, why isn't the more stuff about conspiracy theorists and the clone wars?
>Palpatine gets emergency powers to raise an army
>Almost immediately a fully armed clone army appears out of nowhere and nobody knows who ordered it
>Also they were all cloned from a bounty hunter who worked for the separatists
This shit writes itself

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>>52661053
Presumably because, much like real life, when confusing and contradictory shit is happening all the time it's tedious and unrewarding to try and find the truth.

Space Opera doesn't mesh well with investigative journalism or conspiracy theories. If there are theories, they're wacky ones like "I bet if I launch this rocket I can find the source of these meteors!" or "My formula proves that the moon is hollow!" or "The Chancellor is corrupted by the evil ghost of his dead uncle!"

You know, wacky, four-colour stuff.

Plus a lot of this info is hidden. "We bought an army" seems legit if nobody's ever seen an army. Maybe that's how you do it? It seems way better than raising troops from the Republic's population. Why should citizens have to fight and die?

>>52660684
Eh, outside of Traviss's later works overhyping them to hell and back (And some of the comics starring Boba hyping HIM to hell and back) I didn't mind them.

Even the first 3.5 Repcom books had decent info on the Mandos, most of it was actually just condensing data from the Jango Fett comics and older stuff. (Not directly because Traviss apparently didn't directly read most things and relied heavily on the Holocron, which is good for stats but bad for grasping "Character Voice." which is at least PART of why so much of her shit with already existing canon and EU characters sucked.)

>>52661053
>>52661103
I prefer Imp propaganda to go conspiracy theory the other way.

>Jedi master sifo-dyas and friend and close confidant, Count Dooku go AWOL
>Jedi start a massive civil war by attacking Count Dooku on Geonosis
>Suddenly a republic army appears, conditioned and loyal to the Jedi council; commissioned by Sifo-Dyas, payed for by the taxpayers.

Jedi did the Clone Wars, wake up Sheeple.

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>>52659908 Part 2
I then showed the engineer some layouts of a YT-1300. He replied with this picture, saying "I made it more efficient"

>>52661558
Well we know how the YT-2000 was made.

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>>52661558 Part 3
As for the parts that used to be in the wings, his suggestions were to either shove them all in a cargo bay, or add a dome-like structure to the top of the ship, giving it the pictured profile from a side-view, and apparently further improving efficiency.

>>52661258
>Jedi did the Clone Wars
isn't this how Palpatine justified killing all the Jedi?
"They're traitors to the republic" and all that

>>52661558
I made a ship kinda like that for a game once, though it was a heavy fighter/bomber rather than a freighter. People do use YT series ships as heavy fighters right?

>>52661622
I swear, this guy will be an absolute joy in this D6 campaign. I'm guessing he'll begin play with 6D in Space Transports Repair, 2D in Space Transports Engineering, and his entire schtick will be acquiring money to further modify his ship to be as efficient as Star Wars Physics/Imperial Law will allow.

>>52661639
Close, but not quite. He said they attempted a coup to dethrone him. In response, he said he would resolve to never give up power.

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>>52661631 Part 3 and a half
One last gift from Engineer-anon.

How common are Bounty Hunter teams? I can think of one duo (4lom and...what's his face), but all the others we see in episode 5 are solo acts. Do hunters just not get along? Hate splitting a check so badly that having someone to watch your back is inconcievable?

>>52662170
Honestly it seems like a team would work better, or even duos (especially if some of the team are droids who really don't need a ton of credits and can pass easier in certain areas where droids are expected to be working)

>>52662170
Bounty Hunters love each other. Real tight knit community with its own set of social laws.
Boba Fett was even the best man at Dengar and Manaroo's wedding, and they're the ones who picked him up outside the Sarlacc.
Bounty Hunting is like any other kind of real world freelancing work. You aren't going to split that check unless you think you need to in order to get the job done. Splitting every check isn't profitable enough to keep you alive.

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>>52662170
Relatively common in Legends, nucanon doesn't have enough information to say. The Bounty Hunter's Guild often sent its members on group assignments and was occasionally capable of raising armies of hunters if it needed to tackle large groups (pirate organizations, gangs, etc.). KOTOR-era Mandalorians also often hunted in packs.

>>52662252
>Mandos hunt in packs Arisen!

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>>52653888
Any ideas for how to handle searching / finding a Master in a Force and Destiny campaign set around 11 BBY?

How have you guys handled the quest of finding and learning from a Master in FaD campaigns? I don't want it to be like Kanan where he comes with the crew, but I also don't want them to be old and 'feeble' like Yoda was.

I've been considering something like Ahsoka - a Jedi who is working with a resistance group, and while they are willing to teach the players, aren't going to leave their duties to travel with them - or someone who refuses to leave hiding and do dangerous shit like the party does, but still agrees to teach the party if they visit and make sure they aren't followed.

>>52662170
If you go by OldCanon there was a Bounty Hunter guild, although it was more of a well-concealed profiteering racket and scorekeeping system by Bossk and his old man

>>52654089
Currently reading Shadows of the Empire.

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>>52662840
This guy.

>>52659343
>I literally killed myself in every Helo in BF3
You are just terrible at video games then, I ain't even good at them and I dominated with the little bird as long as the jets did their job.

>>52662840
An old slightly-drunk former almost-knight who chose love, his best friend and up until last year wife (of sixty-seven years) over the order, once, and has decided to devote his last few years as a widower to training more Jedi, but in the ancient way rather than OJO style
How do they meet? It's up to you
Perhaps he's sensed a Jedi character and contrives to meet them, and after watching them do something proving they're pure of heart and intention reveals the truth

>>52659343
Flying helicopters in BF3 is hard to wrap your head around, especially if you're not using a controller, but once you do get the hang of vehicle controls you can pull off some silly shit in that game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcCpkPobMAs

>>52663286
I dig that. You also inspired me in another way, too... a Jedi who left the order over love, helping them avoid Order 66, also has a simultaneous reason not to risk them selves by fighting alongside the party. They just want to live in peace with their love, you know? More sympathetic than just "I don't want to get involved."

I love your idea too - someone who outright dedicates themselves to teaching. I wonder how they'd find the crew... I'll think on it

>>52663455
>You also inspired me in another way, too... a Jedi who left the order over love, helping them avoid Order 66, also has a simultaneous reason not to risk them selves by fighting alongside the party. They just want to live in peace with their love, you know? More sympathetic than just "I don't want to get involved.
That would be a very good mentor who avoids the question of " why aren't they kicking ass with us"?
Hell, give them two or three little kids who know the PCs as auntie/uncle X
Really give them something motivsting

>>52663286
Hey, why not have one of the PCs be their great-grandnephew/niece who they've never met until now? That could be something

Prequels was worse than TFA.

>>52663538
I don't think anyone except for contrarians will actually disagree with you.

>>52663538
I'm no Prequel apologist but at least they did something unique instead of just retelling episode 4.

>>52663538
As films probably, but not so much as far as far as /tg/ related materials are concerned. TFA and associated media basically seem focused on crushing possibilities rather than creating them.

52663538<<
I think that depends a lot on personal feelings and when you experienced the movies. I think both are pretty lame and don't match up to the OT and Rogue 1 but I also have to acknowledge that's personal opinion and I'm not going to get too mad about whether someone likes the Prequels or TFA more.

>>52663573
It's a double-edged sword, isn't it? With prequels, George tried to do something brave and new, but the result was a mess. Disney created a safe movie, but it was way too safe and took no risks.
If only we could get something in-between.

>>52663612
Rogue One sorta fit that, but had some slight issue with Actor-directing and pacing in the first part.

Also it seems every new piece of SW media is contractually required to include one GM-Annoying hyperspace jump.

>>52663612
>George tried to do something brave and new
Ermm.. 85% of prequel content its pure trash. Mencae was useless, AOTC was full of tetardness and only Revenge finally remembered WTF kind of story they were triyng to tell.

>>52663659
Oh fuck, my post is a mess. Just like PT.

>>52663659
But he took the franchise into a new direction, and tried things that we haven't seen in Star Wars. Sure, it wasn't a good direction, and those things weren't good either, but at least he tried.

>>52663689
Nah. It felt like George gone ape and just tried to show OT crew (and OT fans) how "ingenious" and "bald" he was and how he CREATED and OWNED ALL THINGS STAR WARS. Its basically one mans pride and lust for vallets at the first place and nothing about "things that we haven't seen in Star Wars".

>>52661719
He literally told the truth, and had witnesses and evidence. It would be like if the president got jumped by some generals during a meeting, but one had a change of heart and killed the rest.

>>52663830
Nah, it just George trashy writing being George trashy writing.

>>52663587
In defense of darth mouse, the eu needed to be purged. It just got bloated over time, and while some gems may have initially been thrown out, it does not mean they cannot be brought back into cannon.

>>52664939
This. For every good piece of EU there were 10 bad ones.

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>>52663977
If it wasn't for George your dumbass wouldn't be and neither would most beloved science fiction setting
>>52663659
Reddit Letter Media...
>>52663538
TFA wasn't a movie it was a checklist on how to pander to the largest amount of consumers in order to maximise profits. It brought absolutely nothing new to the lore or franchise. At least the prequels had iconic and hype moments such as Maul revealing his doublebladed lightsaber or Yoda fighting. Nothing noteworthy at all happened in tfa

>>52665137
>Reddit Letter Media
>everyone I don't like is Reddit
Time to find a new insult, pal, this one got stale 3 weeks ago.

>>52665137
>At least the prequels had iconic and hype moments
>Yoda fighting
>hype
Uh...

>>52665223
Why change what is true? Prequel haters are a Reddit as you can get. They have zero arguments other the same tired and biased ones that RLM invented.

>>52665137
>Reddit Letter Media..
>>52665137
>TFA wasn't a movie it was a checklist on how to pander to the largest amount of consumers in order to maximise profits. It brought absolutely nothing new to the lore or franchise. At least the prequels had iconic and hype moments such as Maul revealing his doublebladed lightsaber or Yoda fighting. Nothing noteworthy at all happened in tfa

So, you agree with Reddit and Red Letter Media then?
How retarded are you?
also, the fight with Maul was weaksauce and Yoda should have never been made to be a warrior.

>>52665236
Yeah it was. I have yet to meet a single Yoda fight hates until RLM came out and still they are only a vocal minority.

>>52665238
>RLM invented hating the prequels
are you 14 years old?
>>52665247
This isn't true at all. You were just living a a bubble of autism.

>>52665239
You must have zero reading comprehension. There was nothing wrong with the Maul fight and tell me what the fuck was wrong with Yoda being a fighter I'll wait?

>>52665247
I haven't even seen RLM and I still think it was dumb
Yoda having a sword duel with anyone was going to look silly due to the size difference

>>52665253
Nice revisionism child

>>52665137
>iconic and hype moments such as Maul revealing his doublebladed lightsaber or Yoda fighting
Kys, fucking degenerate apologist.

>>52665276
So I figure you never seen ESB since Yoda clearly says size matters not. They have Yoda a unique and and lore appropriate fighting style in order to make up for his height disadvantage. I don't see you autist getting mad that dwarves fight things taller than themselves.

>>52665137
>If it wasn't for George your dumbass wouldn't be and neither would most beloved science fiction setting
>At least the prequels had iconic and hype moments such as Maul revealing his doublebladed lightsaber or Yoda fighting.
>Yoda fighting.
>Yoda fighting.
>Yoda fighting.
How can you be so wrong? Also Reddit always was and always will be apologist srtonghold, stop sending me there.

>>52665282
After you tfababby enjoy your shitty cashgrab nostalgia bait

>>52665300
Dwarves aren't the usual discussion of Star Wars threads, you're right. Gee, I wonder why.

>>52665300
Pure autism. Is surrounds apologists and binds them.

>>52665268
The Maul fight was hammy and took place during the insanely cluttered, poorly written, and poorly edited "triple-climax" of TPM.
Yoda being a lightsaber duelist is dumb as shit. If you don't get it, there's no hope for you to get it. You've been stirring shit on this general for like 2 weeks now, so I don't expect you to lose that extra chromosome now. But turning a small, near-800 year old frog wizard into a swordsman is plain dumb. He is a philosopher, and arguably a wizard, not a warrior.

>>52665277
I'm old enough to remember the release of at least RotJ. I knew the prequels to be shit when I was watching them in the fucking theater.

>>52665309
Once again you fail to mention why Yoda should not have been a fighter.

>>52665300
Dude, I'm not complaining about any lore reason
I'm saying that the fight scenes with Yoda looked silly as fuck because you've got a green little midget hopping around like a crazy toad spinning a lightsaber

>>52665318
So basically your argument comes down to your retarded headcanon much like RLM.
>>52665317
Not an argument

>>52665310
I dont like tfa, trigerred cuck. But at least tfa doesnt "had iconic and hype moments such as Maul revealing his doublebladed lightsaber or Yoda fighting." Mouse maybe bad, but its not morronic, like George and his redditdrones.

>>52665344
Yeah so we agree that tfa was a boring mess with shit music

>>52665320
Because giving the mage a sword usually puts him at a fucking disadvantage. OT Yoda would never have been in a lightsaber duel.
Also, the entirety of episodes 1 and 2 stressed the whole "the Jedi's ability to use the force is compromised" without a hell of a lot more explanation into the extent thereof. You can't have a trilogy build on "we can't use the force" then have set piece climaxes built on the Jedi using the fucking force.

Daily reminder that in normal Star wars Yoda didnt have a lightsaber at all. Please do not tell that to a buttmad videogame-cgi-lovers.

>>52665341
In your opinion but most people thought it was great back in 2002 when it came out. Yoda obviously can't duel someone in a normal way due to his short stature. All of those flips and spins are to make up for his size advantage.

>>52665350
PT has a lot of shit music (duel of fates, for example) and disgusting moments like "Maul revealing his doublebladed lightsaber or Yoda fighting" so its worse, but yeah, tfa is bad.

>>52665374
>most people thought it was great back in 2002 when it came out
You and your boifriend not equal most people, mkay, apologist?

>>52665343
>headcanon
no, the lore established by the OT
Can you stop shitting up this thread and go be with your own kind on /tv/. It's clear that you don't play any of the tabletop and don't want to talk about it.
I know I've asked before, but you have to realize that you're just stirring shit for giggles. You're not winning anyone over acting like the sperg you are and we honestly don't care what you have to say, we just want you fucking gone so we can talk about Trioculus, and Coruscant happening tomorrow.

>(duel of fates, for example)

Nigga what. That track might be the best thing to come out of TPM.

>>52665356
Headcanon headcanon headcanon blatant headcanon. Yoda is a Jedi Master not a fucking DnD wizard. And of course they couldn't have a puppet dueling in the fucking 70s. George wasn't even sure the puppet was going to work period. And they meant that the force was clouding their judgement so that they couldn't see how Sheev was manipulating everything not their ability to move things with their mind dumbass.

>>52665410
>they meant that the force was clouding their judgement so that they couldn't see how Sheev was manipulating everything not their ability to move things with their mind dumbass.
The movies don't specify this. Mace literally says "should we inform the senate that OUR ABILITIES TO USE THE FORCE ARE COMPROMISED"
Not being able to see the future is a result of the force being corrupted by galactic suffering.

>>52665410
>And they meant that the force was clouding their judgement so that they couldn't see how Sheev was manipulating everything
Oh, i thought that was hack writing, george-fanboi.

>>52665398
What ever you say RLM drone
>>52665402
No it's your headcanon and yes I actually do play tabletop dumbass. I just can't stand to see someone shitting on the pt for no reason and than especially defending fucking tfa

>>52665430
>>52665432
If you casuals had read the novelizations you would have known that

>>52665433
>I actually do play tabletop
How do you fit your fatass at the table? or is it only online so nobody has to smell you?

>>52665407
Williams is best without hammy and dated choirs. And PT was full of shitty choirs.

>>52665446
>resorting to ad hominem
This is how you know someone just lost an argument
>>52665450
(you)

>>52665374
I was in the theater for all 3 prequel releases and they all sucked ass. Your opinions are like the unwashed fold of fat under your neckbeard. they fucking stink.

>>52665444
So, after witnessing bad movie i should go and read a book to realize is was actually awesome? Its like recent DC cape movies, but before it was cool?

>>52665474
Judging by your writing style, content and maturity I seriously doubt that.

>>52665480
This.
This troll will say "TFA didn't make sense without the books" then use the books as an argument for why the prequels worked.

>>52665468
So, you hate star wars, we get it. I know a nice safespace, full of apologist like you. Its called reddit.

>>52665485
I apologize if i've gotten sloppy, it's only because you're an annoying fuck who needs to go back to /tv/ to talk about movies.

Why every single apologist start bringing up tfa in discussion?

Can we stop taking the bait everytime the faggot comes on? I know he has shit opinions, but he derails this thread literally every single time he posts.
To the troll in question: Can you use a tripcode so I can filter your posts?

>>52665493
No I love Star Wars all of it except for tfa of course
>ESB>ROTJ>R1>ANH>ROTS>TPM>>>AOTC=TFA
I realized that while not great they are nowhere near as bad as RLM drones believe.

>>52665529
>Rogue one was better than ANH

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>>52665528

>>52665528
I second that apologist-anon should use a trip

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>>52665546
That was a mistake actually R1 is supposed to be after ANH

>>52665554
I'm sorry, but it's literally you vs the fucking general. You shit it up with every one of your posts here and I'm willing to go out on a limb by saying the majority of us here would rather not see your posts at all.

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Heh heh keep on hating the prequels and the old EU maybe I'll give you some cheese heh heh

>>52665578
It still not
ESB>ANH>RotJ>RotS>TFA>R1>TPM>AotC

>>52665581
You mean me vs the 3 or 4 people in this general currently right?

>>52665610
>the jews are behind prequel-hate
wat.

>i get all my opinions from le funnay voice movie man

The PT is good. Think for yourself.

>>52665610
Most of old EU and PT was shit and you know it.

>>52665611
But that's wrong

>>52665624
It's never much different. It's the odd day when you have even one sympathizer.

>>52665625
i bet watto did this

>>52665643
You're right, I'd probably rather watch TPM than rogue one again

>>52665633
Its not.

>>52665657
Yeah in the opinion of a redditor

>>52665654
Pig disgusting. Kys.

>>52665670
Not an argument

>>52665633
>opinion presented as fact
>>52665657
>opposing opinion presented as fact
>>52665670
reminder that reddit likes the prequels. You always seem to forget this.

>>52665670
Reddit always was PT stronghold, cgi-lover.

>reddit drones hates muh PT
Nice revision of history we have here. Libtards called, they wants they brains back.

>>52665676
>>52665680
>>52665684
This is not fucking true! Reddit loves RLM and regurgitate back anything they say.

>>52665721
>how to be wrong on the internet

>>52665738
>how to tell baldfaced lies on the internet

Please take this nonsense back to the /co/ /swg/ where it started.

>>52665755
>baldfaced
I have a beard, idiot

>>52665765
Been trying to get them to go to /co/ or /tv/ for weeks now.

>>52665721
>This is not fucking true!
Shiiiit. Its like 1984 all over again, but with PT redditors.

>>52665433
>I actually do play tabletop dumbass
which ones and why?

>>52665792
Prequels just cannot have good fandom. Its just noice and parasiting on big name. This thread shows it nicely.

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>>52665809
I play ffg. Mostly play eote and aor. I rarely play fad. I feel that eote campaigns have the most freedom of stories than the others. And I feel that fad only really works when the whole party are force sensitive and even than I feel it works better with smaller parties

>Daily reminder that movie X is worse than movie Y
>Daily reminder that Disney is ruining Star Wars
>Daily Empire apologist comment

What the fuck happened to /swg/?

>>52665895
We stopped talking about the games and EU, for even a second.

>>52665912
Daily reminder that Wedge Antilles hops on one transparisteel leg.

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>>52665926
yub yub

Alright /swg/, tell me about your favorite character that you've ever played in a campaign. What makes them interesting?

>>52665926
Am I the only one sad that the T-65b is ded in XWM (other than Biggs, until the imp turret carrier comes out). Even the T-70 is less than good in competitive play.

Also, expectations for Coruscant tomorrow?

>Muh EU
E-wing and K-wing are worst designs ever.

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>>52665989
>literally my 2 favorite starfighter designs

>>52665982
I`m sad, too, but FFG hates OT ships and faps hard on EU and prequel garbage.

>>52666004
I think it's less that, and more just a case of power creep.

>>52666003
Bad taste, sad.

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>>52665989
>worst
No, that would be the TIE/FO, the laziest starfighter design in the franchise. At least there was a little bit of effort in the E and K. The FO was just the starfighter equivalent of copy and paste.

>>52666017
Nope, prequel and EU shit are literally owerpowered and screams "buy our shitty disigns for OP cards".

>>52666059
Yeah, the stuff that came out later is stronger than the early stuff. power creep.

>>52666057
TIE|FO looks like something from star wars (sort of old ties overhaul for a decimated empire or something, i`m not a pro in firtst order fluff), 2 ugly fucks that i mentioned looks like shit.

>>52666120
The E-wing is a McQuarrie design, it's got a lot of nice lines and is more interesting than the canon ships when it comes to the relationship between cockpit and fuselage.
The K-wing is a great way to execute a flying fortress styled bomber in space. I really like the lines on it and its design philosophy hearkens back to a lot of IRL things, from Wright brother designs to the A-10, to the B-17. It's a starfighter strapped to a lot of ordinance and it visually does it's job. It'd look a hell of a lot better on film than the (notoriously hard to film) B-wing.

>>52666120
No its lazy uninspired and a step back. Why would the fo remake TIEs instead of Interceptors or Advanced? Oh I know it's because the Jews want to use nostalgia to maximise earnings. Normies love regular TIEs so lets just paint them black

>>52666172
>Why would the fo remake TIEs instead of Interceptors or Advanced?
They had a lot of TIE/ln parts lying around when they fled into unknown space. it was easier to make new LN's with more minor mods than to retool their shit for the production of the more expensive variants.
Is it lazy? kinda
Is it excusable? mostly
Let's not derail into more movie sperging though.

>>52666164
>The E-wing is a McQuarrie design
Show me.
>The K-wing is a great way to execute a flying fortress styled bomber in space
No. "B-17 in star wars" is VCX-100, K-wing is something 12y-old designed for its """awesome top-gun inspired campaign""". Also b-wing is much more interesting design than shitty a-10 shadow-the-hedgehog of starship disegns.

>>52666172
Again, not an expert of first orded military, but reusing old ships seems reasonable for an ex-imperial forces. Using fanfic garbage designs is not "bald", its just retarded.

>>52666272
>Also b-wing is much more interesting design than shitty a-10 shadow-the-hedgehog of starship disegns.
You completely missed my point here. The reason the B-wing isn't in a lot of RotJ is that it's impossible to film due to it's profile.
The K-wing's got a lot of cool stuff going for it, design wise.
The VCX-100 is a freighter, not a bomber. Though it's nose gun is a reference to the B-17, the ship itself is not a b-17 in overall role or design philosophy.
The E-wing is based on McQuarrie's early sketches of the Hoth snowspeeder and the BSG Viper.

>>52666260
By Endor, almost all of the TIEs on-screen were Interceptors. The LN was already long obsolete by Endor, so why bother with it when the FO could have easily just picked up a pile of superior Interceptors? They have better performance and better firepower, which would have drastically increased the survivability of the FO's starfighter corps.

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>>52666260
>>52666304
>tfa apologist

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>>52666373
Don't start this again, you fucking faggot.

>>52666369
Because there were no interceptors in ANH goyim

>>52666364
>The K-wing's got a lot of cool stuff going for it, design wise.
No. It looks like generic bayformer or fanfic trash.
>he VCX-100 is a freighter, not a bomber. Though it's nose gun is a reference to the B-17, the ship itself is not a b-17 in overall role or design philosophy.
It still looks more like b-17 tham shitty k-wing.
>The E-wing is based on McQuarrie's early sketches of the Hoth snowspeeder
Show me.
>and the BSG Viper.
Yep, no wonder, its such a bad design.

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>>52666373
Here we go again, EU dorks cant defend they trashy starships so they start witchhunt on "evel mouse". I bet you love PT.

Fuck this gay thread. Been here for 5 fucking years and it's worse now than it was when all the TFA shit showed up. All the movie shitters ruined this general.

>>52666413
Disgusting. Do not post this again, cuck.

If you can't talk about Star Wars without talking about the fucking movies, go to /tv/. This is a tabletop gaming board.

>>52666441
Stop whining, pt-fag.

>>52666472
I hate the PT and that faggot. What are you on?

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>>52666439
I wasn't defending the E or K wing but FO ships are boring shit and JJ is a hack. We could have had these instead of repainted TIEs

>>52666490
Maybe. But tfa was bad becouse of badly written characters in my shitty opinion. And K end E sre stil fucking ugly. And EU was full of ugly shit like those ships.

>>52666490
Those ships are ugly IMO and the two to the right (especially that bottom one) have really bad profiles for filming, they'd disappear a lot or show up really blurry and indistinct. Same problem the B-wing had.

>>52666364
>The K-wing's got a lot of cool stuff going for it, design wise.

This couldnt be more incorrect if you actually tried.
It's an ugly mishmash of different parts that dont work, and it doesnt really have anything in common with any other star wars design.

Actually that's a lie, it actually looks a LOT like an Ugly, and I mean that name says everything.

>>52666516
R1 had worse characters and writing than TFA

>>52666543
But R1 chars died and TFA garbage lives on.

>>52666606
That doesn't make R1 any better than TFA

>thread immediately gets flooded with shitposts shortly after australian public school lets out
Gee, what a goddamn surprise

>>52666716
Its nearly 1am in the morning in Australia

>>52666687
Lets see. Better vilains - check, better spaceships - check, more locationas - check. Action is different enough and most of protagonist eventually succumd, not like tfa mary sues. Chemistry and arcs and motivation are pretty shitty in both movies. Also, tfa shits on OT characters, making them losers. Im my book R1 maybe not perfect movie still better then tfa.

>>52666542
>it doesnt really have anything in common with any other star wars design.
It's got S-foils that aren't dissimilar from an X-wing or Arc 170, it's got engines that are a lot like those on X-wings in terms of placement and design, Bubble turrets are a big thing in star wars ship design. It's got a lot of stuff that less noteworthy on other ships but blown up a little bit bigger. The arrowhead design of the fuselage is also really interesting, you get that airfoil front section, the gooseneck, then really great broad wings that echo the X-wing designs. It's a ship with the same exact design language as the rebel ships from ANH, just more robust with more pronounced features.

>>52666751
>Better vilains
I disagree. Didn't like the way Imperials were portrayed as overtly backstabbing career hounds, rather than nationalists with the same goal of a "greater good" in their eyes. In R1, they were too mustache-twirly with the wrong intentions, in my humble opinion. I could see how what I listed as complaints, others would appreciate.
>Better spaceships
I preferred the junkier aesthetic of TFA. R1's space-vietnam and space battle felt too clean. My idea of Star Wars is a visually gritty, run down galaxy (the outer rim, anyway) and R1 didn't satisfy me in that regard. It looked like Star Wars, but it didn't look lived in, whereas TFA gives a better glimpse of the civilians on the fringes of the galaxy, which has always been my allure to the franchise.
>More locations
Can't argue this. TFA did feel either cramped in a ship or in a place I didn't care about and R1 gave us Scarif which was visually impressive and a nice change of pace.
>Action
I prefer that my space opera isn't a full on "big dumb action movie". Regardless, I think R1 could have been better executed as being truer to the action genre.
>TFA shits on OT characters
I didn't mind this a whole ton. It's shitty seeing all of our old heroes' faults at once, but that's just because we're seeing the results of 30 years' decay at once.

>>52660356
Personally I like old, Marvel, Fenn Shysa mandos. Just dudes with cool armor fighting a guerilla war against Imperial occupation and enslavement of their homeworld.

>>52666543
Not really. The little character that Baze and Chirrut had were better than Rey and Finn
>>52666530
Your opinion is ugly imo

>>52666775

It has s-foils that are dissimilar to the x-wing or the arc other than that they're wings.
Which means you can say that a fucking WW2 BF109 has similar design to an X-Wing or ARC.
They're also far thicker than either the X or the ARC's s-foils to the point of just looking like a badly made model rather than a spaceship.

It has those down-angled wings which do nothing other than carry what look like tiny turbines, and external weapon pods unlike every other star wars snubfighter. There's no reason for them to be there - if you wanted external weapon mounts, just put them on the big fat fucking wings you already have. They're not at a weird angle to fuck you up if you drop in gravity, and you've got way more space if you want to go full retard with it.

Bubble turrets arent even close to a big thing in star wars ship design, the're on what, two ships?
Clone Wars Y-Wing turrets are a dome, and the Republic gunships have bubble turrets which disappeared pretty sharpish.
Thing is, on those it at least looks integrated.
On the K-Wing it's just there, sticking way out on the front like some weird growth.

Plus, it's not an arrowhead design - its a fucking shovel.
Its a big, flat, squared off front, blocking back into two big boxy wings, and three weirdly placed turbines.

One of which is blocking the top turret from firing backwards, too.

Regardless I think we can all agree on the biggest problem with Rogue One.
They wasted the title Rogue fucking One on a bloody commando raid movie.
That's a title that should go to a starfighter jockey movie, dammit.

>>52667041

I cried tears of joy when they announced the first spinoff was called Rogue One.

I died inside when it was revealed it wasnt about the actual Rogues.

Im still upset about that, and I fucking loved Rogue One.

>>52666922
>Didn't like the way Imperials were portrayed as overtly backstabbing career hounds, rather than nationalists with the same goal of a "greater good" in their eyes. In R1, they were too mustache-twirly with the wrong intentions, in my humble opinion
That's pretty consistent with every other bit of imperial characterization going all the way back to the very earliest radio dramas and novelizations that used content cut from ANH for time that depicted the empire as being full of exactly what you don't like. It's never been any other way and thinking it isn't or shouldn't is just your fanfiction

>>52667010
>Your opinion is ugly imo
that doesn't make them any easier to film. I take it you've never worked in the effects industry

>>52667021
>what look like tiny turbines
torpedo tubes
>if you wanted external weapon mounts, just put them on the big fat fucking wings you already have
Can't do that unless it's out toward the wing tips, since the front section of the fuselage is so wide. If you mounted your weapons directly under the wings, they'd shoot your crew when they launched.
>getting this upset over a non-canon space ship from a setting that doesn't exist

>>52667153
>y-you're upset, haha, n-nerd
Not particularly.
It's just a really really ugly ship.

>>52666922
How the fuck is tfa junkier than r1? The only junky thing in r1 was the falcon and jakku aka tatooine for a new generation now with less charm.

>>52667069
That's a fair criticism, I just think that for a villains in an action movie, having their major motivations involve infighting makes them seem less of an intimidating obstacle for the protagonists to overcome.
I'm not saying that there shouldn't be infighting, but in a movie where you want the empire to seem its scariest and most infallible for effect, adding infighting is a step in the wrong direction.

>>52667184
The entire cantina setting. Getting to look at the pirates and their ships (albeit breifly). Getting to see all the different archetypes of fringer civilians was great.

>>52667203
>Getting to see all the different archetypes of fringer civilians was great.

Wait, so you appreciated the cantina in TFA for showing random civvies, more than the scenes in Jedha?

Im not saying you're wrong for doing so, to be clear, genuinely surprised.

>>52667244
Jedha was interesting, but could have used more (for lack of a better word) exposition. We get that it's old, and related to the jedi and the force and khyber crystals, and that there are monks and pilgrims, but I wanted more hard lore surrounding a site like that. With a cantina scene you can just have characters there naturally, they're resting and refueling and that's all you really need to know. But I want to know more about the motivations and characters of the Jedha monks and pilgrims and I was left a bit wanting.

>>52667312

Eh, I guess thats pretty fair.
That said, on pure aesthetics and looks, I much preferred Jedha City and Saw's rebels designs.
R1 in general really, compared to TFA.

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Fuck movies, lets talk about SPACESHIPS

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>>52666716
We're deep in euro time sunshine. Besides, you'd know if Australian's started seriously sithposting here.
And not just the men, but the women and the children, too

>Embrace the hot garbage that is huge parts of the EU, its nutritious and humorous. Like beans
>People need to come to terms with the Prequels, it happened. If you're in need of help see a doctor and show the man where George touched you
>Disney owns all this shit, even the bad shit. At least it wasn't bought by Sci-Fi, then you whinging cunts would really have something to cry about
>No one gives a hoot what you think, especially Disney- because they're rich and least of all, because its 4chan

But it would be sad to see this place go the way of /v/ or /co/

>>52655848
I'm only halfway but I feel like Eli is just as cool but still being his own character.

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Hey can we just talk about tge fucking games?

What's a setting that will spice up an encounter?

Two I want to use in my campaign:

-Ship crashes into water. Crew has to make their way out of the sinking ship , fight off enemies doing the same, and manage to avoid drowning.

-mine cart-like chase involving standing on top of star wars-ified speeder cart and fighting bad guys. Jumping from cart to cart