/epg/ - Eclipse Phase General

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Mods are still asleep: post more basilisks. I wonder how earth is doing right now.

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>>52649087

>>52649674

Oh, hey, a rainbow.

I'd hate to imagine you're surffing the mess and suddenly when you're looking up Neo-Hominid Porn a pop up shows up and it happens to be a Basilisk hack to convince you to buy some stupid shit.

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>>52650084

He thinks it stops at the buying of some useless product.

>>52650238

Yeah I know. One second I have one fork working my 4th arm jerking off while I'm in the middle of a game and next thing I know I'm covered in blood surrounded by corpses with a hand full of stacks.

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>>52649853

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Has anyone used the rules/general concepts of this game for a different setting? I really like the body swapping, horror, and general themes but I'm not really fond of the setting. I'd be more interested in a slightly more traditional post-cyberpunk game.

>>52648929
>You will never NTR an android with her own lower half

>>52652231
THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?!

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>>52649087

>>52652330
femto-machine fractal bullshit. This happens to be the sort of bullshit that you can build a civilization on.

>>52652330

Basilisk

Duh

>>52652330
Yoctomachines or something

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>>52653086
>at this point we just invent matter and energy that does what we want
>Ogasmons, Leon's anti-communist super quarks, vorpal planq-dust, etc.
>Death rays that literally shoot rays of death
>Engines that work by generating Motivons, which have the property of making matter spontaneously go
>Morphs shaped like themselves, made out of Morph matter, which itself is made out of Morph matter, and infinitum (a common farctal medium) ad infiitum

>>52649087
>I wonder how earth is doing right now.
In one game I ran that ultimately fizzled out before I could get to it, a big reveal was that a substantial portion of the TITANs didn't actually leave Earth, they just went underground and are slowly transforming it into a Jupiter brain. Iapetus was just a proof of concept.

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>>52654045

What tables would /epg/ like to see in a random habitat generator? This is what I intend to have so far:

>Location
>Type
>Population
>Volume per individual ego
>Economic system
>Faction allegiance
>Degree of surveillance
>Weapon ownership
>Technological restrictions
>Security regime
>Hypercorp presence
>Methods of access
>Areas of note
>Population quirks
>Habitat quirks

What sort of precautions does one need to be a successful criminal on mars?

>>52655348

Know what boundries not to overstep or, at the very least, when it's worth it to do so. If you're an incovience big enough to be noticed then the PC will leverage it's might against you and the Night Cartel and 9 Lives are not going to stick their necks out for you if you fuck up badly enough and may even turn you in themselves if it helps them.

The second is how you work the people around you. Are you friendly and squeeze lightly when needed or do you put the hammer to the nail? Doing both is needed but knowing when is key.

Finally, I'd say never deal with Titan shit but credits is credits.

>>52655348
Being a CEO always helps

>>52655683
Its the difference between being shot by rentacops and re-instantiated a bimbofied slut on mercury and being shot by oversight and give a doll house gift certificate as an apology

>>52656053

Does mercury even have a bimbo slut infrastructure?

>>52656066
it has Hypercorp owned mining towns with humanoid workers, so yes, some of the best in the system

Do you let your PCs own businesses? I've been thinking about the idea of having PCs who have several such occupations of their (one being a celebrity chef and another being a founding member of a biker racing league on mars)

>>52658381

I mean, Entrepreneur is a trait so I see no real reason NOT to let players be business people. There's also the actual rules to make income though they're a little sketchy. And I believe several homebrew traits to represent just being rich.

So I guess the question becomes "do you have a reason not to let them own a business?"

>>52658545

Very true, I mean, it's no like you have to physically be present to run the business after all. You could have a beta fork do face to face meetings for you and your muse handles your scheduling.

I suppose the difficult part (not really) may be integrating the PCs business into the games. For instance, the idea I had going was my celebrity chef's main resturant being a good meeting spot for the group but it could become a target because I also intend to be a producer of narco algorithyms since their business is about trying to make one's that simulate the taste of food for synths.

>>52654868
Hello fellow Cephalon, how is your Operator treating you?

>>52652330
Looks like an orbital tether mining a gas giant with habitat strips hanging off it to me.

Could otters be candidates for Uplift? There is evidence they were using tools long before chimps were.

>>52659814
Honestly there's no limit to what you can uplift, but past a certain threshold you'll find you're just pasting bits of simulated herring into a perfectly good AGI for "flavor"

>>52661685

If you transplanted GiTS into EP universe how early in the timeline would the Major be? Were most early morphs essentially pods?

>>52654868
Best girl

>>52662386
If the Major lived to 10 AF she would have done so much messed up shit. She would be on Batachya's level, if she isn't full of psionic madness. What faction would she be with? >Firewall?
>Ultimates?
>OZMA?
>LLA public security?
>some silly Jovaboo nonsense?

>>52663045
The original GitS movie is in 2029, and EP is roughly 2140, so ~50 years before BF 60. Naturally the timelines don't really make sense like that.

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>>52663297
well forgiving the misplaced nuclear wars, do you have an opinion on the faction question?

>>52663329
In terms of what she's already doing Oversight is where she'd end up.

After that much time though? My guess would be turning to Gatehopping and getting away from the system for a while.

It seems to me that seeker weapons are the way to go, what's the point of having kinetics or beams?

>>52663852
An even better question, is there even anything useful you can do with unarmed or blades?

>>52662386

Wait, she's a pod? I thought she was a synthmorph with a few systems to host *parts* of a human brain?

Going off of the manga and movie, not that SAC alt universe.

>>52648929
Swiggity swooty I'm coming for that booty.

So how would you guys deal with a TITAN delta that's currently housed in a biomorph? GM's got us assaulting a base where it's being used to develop cryptographic algorithms.

Current plan to destroy it is to incinerate it with something like F2O2 or ClF3, put the ashes in a box, launch the box into the sun.

>>52664500
I think that's about right. Going by the intro to the movie, it looks like she's got a pod that's been grown/built as a single unit rather than having all the different muscles/organs developed separately. Add a cyberbrain and I think that's about it.

>>52664500
>>52662386

Prosthetic bodies in GitS are basically masked synths with brain boxes.

>>52666641

I saw more layering of electroactive polymers or ceramics on composite skeleton.

What >>52666649 said.

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>>52666784
I dunno, that seems a lot like a pod to me.

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>>52666903

>I'm too stupid to recognize that EAPs exist, are fibrous, and would be most efficiently distributed in human like patern

>>52667167

Are we posting basilisks again?

>>52667167
Nah, just don't keep up with that kind of research. Cool shit.

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>>52667354

Basilisks aren't obvious that they are basilisks sometimes.

>>52655296
Resources availability - water, metals, carbon, etc. What types of asteroids hab mines and what it imports.

>>52663867
Grappling. And knifing someone during grapple in armor chinks.

Plus of grapple if your GM is not a retard it should ignore non-powered armor.

>>52663867

Eelware or shock gloves will basically make you the ultimate set-up man vs biomorphs/pods.

And blades/unarmed can also be used as a decent drug delivery vector, which might be slightly more subtle than a bullet.

>>52648929
Was the Vaporwave Aesthetic a Basilisk Hack?

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>>52648929
Why are surya so awesome?

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>>52670018

>>52666641
>Going by the intro to the movie
There is a scene in the movie where she sees another woman with the exact same body model.

So is this thread just an excuse to post robot fetish stuff?

>>52654097
>Marvel's so shit these days they literally have to make comics where their """heroes""" go kill DC's heroes and prove how much "better" they are

It's a sad state of affairs. I blame the Mouse.

>>52658331
looks like partially terraformed Mars, the canyon part.

>>52654097
Is that supposed to be dr strange?

>>52670222
>>52670399

So why arn't there uplifted elephants again?

>>52675352

Elephants are heavy.

>>52675401

On Mars this shouldn't be a problem, besides I would imagine they would be nomadic Rusters although I'm curious what sorts of jobs they would take. That said what do nomadic rusters do anyways?

>>52675435

I mean, they're heavy in the first place. Mass matters to move off the surface - such as in a cataclysm. Also you'd need a large Ego Bridge set up.

>>52675518

If you can sleeve people into fucking whales you can sleeve people into Elephants.

That said, you could always have Indian elephants who are significantly smaller than their African variants

>>52675536

Suryas are made in situ around the sun, and there's only a few dozen actual Neo-Whales alive, not many of whom are actually sleeved as whales.

Also indian elephants only weigh like one ton less than an african elephant on average, that's still like 5.5 more tons to deal with.

>>52675611

So then, with genesculpting and cybernetics being the norm elephants simply can't exist to walk around Mars?

>>52675401
What about dwarf elephants?

>>52668350
>if your GM is not a retard it should ignore non-powered armor.
No, it shouldn't. Medieval plate had mail in the joints. Future armor will probably have heavy kevlar. Way better than nothing.

>>52677986
It doesn't help when someone uses your own limbs as a leverage to break your elbow joint.

Kevlar and mail will stop a knife but they won't stop someone breaking your arms and legs. Neck is a little better because you can have gorjet but most armors drop it in favour of less weight and greater mobility/perception because grapple is a much smaller danger than being shot with automatic weapons.

>>52678143
EP armor can easily be custom fit stuff with some smart materials. Range of motion protection for joints should be pretty easy to include.

That's also as relevant to the protection against knife attacks as protection vs firearms.

Why would pods need nipples?

>>52678280
Practically, they don't, but erogenous zones are a selling point for any morph less focused than a Reaper.

>>52678257
>EP armor can easily be custom fit stuff with some smart materials.
I really like that "smart materials". You can as well use magic.

>>52678447
Direct Action Reapers all have pretty high quality erogenous zones, their own operators refuse to work without them.

>>52678521
In this case smart materials is basically just a more refined version of those silly shoes which can tie themselves.

>>52678548
But which parts?

>>52681049
the actions of their weapons, obviously

>>52681214
Oh that makes sense.

>>52678521
Materials like that already exist

>>52648929
I want to play this game, anyone looking for players?

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>>52683054
The Direct Action logo makes me want to fucking kill myself.

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>>52684891
any reason in particular, or is it just one of those classic cognite 'shits-and-giggles' backdoors?

>>52675352
As I recall, they were created, but didn't survive the Fall. Since then nobody's got around to creating more.

>>52681541
Really? Can you point in their direction? I like reading about such stuff, but I've never seen a material that allows a lock in the same direction your arm/hand already moves normally.

>>52663852
Seeker weapons have worse damage output per-turn than kinetic weapons, unless you want to carry around the full sized ones. You're better off with a pair of pistols or SMGs loaded with hollowpoints and ambidextrous

>>52685876
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrorheological_fluid

>>52663867
>An even better question, is there even anything useful you can do with unarmed or blades?
Kick ass when you don't have a proper weapon, which is likely going to be more often than you think.

>>52686631
If by "kick ass" you mean "do so little damage you'll be incapable of hurting an armored opponent, even with 40 SOM"

>>52667167
>would be most efficiently distributed in human like patern
If the contraction ratio is different from human muscle then the optimal skeleton design would have different proportions. You'd probably end up with something that looks like an anorexic gorilla.

>>52685181
what?

>>52690673

Is he just mad, or is it the suicide password in case he's being interrogated in a hostile Simulspace.

Thread's a little slow today, let's do some brainstorming.

What sort of food can be prepped using makers, but still take a bit of human service to make - that is to say, is there a proper equivalent to fast food in EP? Hole in the wall food stands/shops feel like a solid genre piece, and is food blueprints can be licensed like everything else, does this make franchisement still a legit business scheme?

What do you think, are their fab noodle and kebab stands littering New Shanghai? Does the Golden Arches still rule in Elysium? What about the Burger Queen? Did Wendy's start spelling their name with an "i" to seem more modern? What other kind of foods are simplistic enough to put in a basic maker and have a bot throw them in a bowl, or a togo bag?

>>52693802
>What sort of food can be prepped using makers, but still take a bit of human service to make

No such thing. Chefs are already on their way to being automated out of existence in 2017. The big obstacles are this initial investment and nonuniform ingredients.

>>52693802
Most alcoholic drinks at bars. You're not there for the drinks specifically, and the atmosphere demands a bartender's presence. Sure, what you're drinking was most likely synthesized in the back room, but the final mix and serve is best done by a physical person.

Whether you're an elite hypercorp manager, a gatecrasher on downtime, or a Martian terraformer going out for the night, the bar/pub remains the best place to physically meet people and relax with friends.

>>52694042
>Bars where the bartender has a real presence

What is this? 1980?

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>>52648929
How do we fix melee? It's fine if hand to hand combat is worse than guns, but currently it's worse on so many axes that it might as well not be in the game.

>less damage than guns, almost no scaling with SOM (the strongest possible person only does 4 more damage than the weakest)
>worse action economy than guns (one attack per complex action versus two)
>easier to dodge than guns (full fray vs half fray)
>no way to stack modifiers (meanwhile shooting a gun gets you a minimum of +20 for free)

Which of these should we address? How? The alternate melee damage bonus rules in Transhuman are a start, but they don't make much practical difference for most characters.

>>52694369
Grappling potentially prevents the opponent from acting, which is nice.

>>52694369
>worse action economy
>easier to dodge
Those are true irl.

>>52694369
Well, unlike >>52694540
I don't think EP is trying to be that realistic.

Obviously unlocking a few more options to be viable paths, not necessarily equal or better, but just in the same league would probably be a good idea.

I would probably recommend increasing to two attacks per complex action once you get to a certain skill level, and then improving the results of critical successes.

>>52652231
>>52652330
Seems like aerostats in atmosphere of a Gas Giant or Venusian planet(but Gas Giant is more likely) with attached habitable strips. Don't know if such habitat would be stable. However if you look closely they seem to be covered with protective layers .

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>Grandpa what was the world like before Jovians reconquered Earth and defeated evil transhumans?

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>>52698237
>we did what?
>...who are you again?

>>52698189
>Gas Giant is more likely
How? Venus is way easier?

>>52698237
>People lived past 80 and didn't have mandatory tithing.

>>52693960
>Chefs are already on their way to being automated out of existence
That's what the planetary consortium wants you to believe. Come to the Noodle in Extropia and learn what eating means. Of course, to be able to eat real food you first should be able to afford it.

>>52698724
Yeah, so a far cry from the fast food described.

They have cows on Extropia? Or salmon?

>>52670736
>exact same body model
How would an indentured pod react to seeing their own body model operated by someone else?

>>52698904
>They have cows on Extropia? Or salmon?
All the kinds, from vat-grown, to actual fast-grown ones.

Of course, with the time and resources needed, the best animals are used to feed only those clients with a premium subscriptions. I doubt somebody just looking for junk food will have that.

Unless he is looking for authentic pre-Fall junk food. That's a popular revival, which bring lots of glitterati to our station, just to try again a deep friend burger. Add the health-nano-smoothie option to get rid of that additional grease you just ingested.

>>52663045

Oversight Economic Security Section 9, of course.

>>52699140
Are the cows fed real grass?

>>52699140
Are the Extropian cows raised in a microgravity environment or are they centrifuged?

>>52699642
There is little difference from earth-grown grass to the Extropian one. Just that the Extropian grass is way healthier for all.

>>52699654
Extropia has microgravity. But after being processed you won't notice the difference.

>>52699676
Except grass takes space, and space on Extropia is probably about as expensive as Manhattan

>>52699654

They actually have spin grav habs orbiting the rock for work that need it - gravity "grown" food is probably worth enough cash to warrant some of that. Maybe not beef that shit is space and mass intense.

>>52699700
That thinking will keep you a wage slave for life. Take a few economics XPs and you will find out that while surface cost is high the per-volume cost is much more profitable. Why growing grass in the floor when you can grow it in a lattice?

>>52699906
So do they have real cows or not?

>>52699907
How many living spaces worth of volume would it take to feed one cow?

>>52698237
>decks parallel to thrust axis
>still has gravity
You're not my granddaughter, you're a fucking TITAN. Let me out of this simulation you crazy computer witch.

>>52694369
Change the formula for DB from SOM/10 to (SOM/10 - 1)d10. Can't go below zero of course.

>>52693802

http://ephrep.blogspot.com/2017/04/fab-food.html

Nobody really gave a lot of insight, but I didn't need much anyway.

Maybe I should have clarified by "human service" I meant "may require hands to assemble".

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>>52698237
I mean, I get the 'fuck frankenfreaks' thing, but Jovians are neocon kike-stian mulattos who barely speak English.

No way I'd ever side with them when there's plenty of actual, white, European Nazis and anarchonationalists around in Brinker habs.

Jovians are just so awful on basically every level that there really is no other answer than hyperspeed torture/execution for all of them.

>>52687814

We using future myomers, obvs!

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>>52698237

Unknown Psi slight detected: ...[gravimetric manipulation]

Probability of exsurgent: 79.999998%
Probability of TITAN delta: 98.999994%

[CONTAINMENT PROTOCOL INITIATED]
<thrust vectors>: ......done
<impact zone>: ......done
<thruster sequence>: ......started

Time to impact: [-00:09:22.1257s]

PROJECT OZMA HOPES YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY

I imagine this is how forking feels like

https://youtu.be/j3J5qsyTMUY

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>>52648929

>>52705905
How the fuck did agency and free will get pulled into this?

>>52681769
No, either run your own game or stop asking.

>>52709192
Cool Chiappa Rhino knockoff

>>52709192

Too bad those things are stupid expensive.

https://www.chiappafirearms.com/f.php?id=53

>>52709257
What?

>>52709319

It's a real revolver. See >>52709305

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>>52709327
You do realize that the Rhino doesn't have a monopoly on firing from the bottom cylinder right? The guy who designed it made two other revolvers that work the same way.

>>52709394

Mateba designs should probably be pretty familiar to a lot of people browsing /epg/, we were gushing about the Major earlier.

>>52709394

Correct. HOWEVER, it's more than that. The cylinder design is identical. So is the action design itself, the hammer action angle.

It's a Chiappa Rhino with an awkwardly upwards tilting cylinder (that'll get you killed in a combat reload so fast).

>>52709394
Yeah but it also copied the hexagonal cylinder, the hammer, the grip is extremely similar, and whatever you call the part on top of the barrel is quite similar.

>>52711867
Is there a name for those pants? I've seen them elsewhere.

>>52711867
Stirrup Pants

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Is there a preferred way of dipicting the way TITANS look and '''feel'''? It sounds weird but I've kinda grown to like the idea of having TITANS be like SIVA from Destiny. Clearly obvious constructs would look sort of vaguely humaniod shape with features like pic related while full on ex-humans would be like Jack Baker when his weakspots open up but you see bundles of pic related poping out before reconfiguring itself to look normal again.

>>52705927
Seriously how is it related at all?

I have a crippling fear of robots and AIs. It's so bad that I have a meltdown whenever my muse tries to talk to me. How do I fix myself without psychosurgery?

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>>52712846

>>52716578
>fear of psychosurgery

We could fix that with a little psychosurgery

>>52716789
Did you completely misread what I said? I don't fear psychosurgery: I have moral objections to it.

If you try to "fix" me with psychosurgery, I will "fix" you with my assault weapon.

>>52674466
>go kill DC's heroes
What? Really?

>>52716828

Amen, sister. Remove them from our sight. Delete their backups.

>>52717076
Nope. The other poster mistook the kid Dr. Strange is beating up for Dr. Fate.

>>52649087
Surprisingly well, at least for things that don't set off the killbots. It's like the forests around Chernobyl.

>>52717076
Yes. They were thinly-veiled standins for DC's heroes. They had a Flash-Girl, the main hero was a Superman standin who kept on talking about hope, and Doctor Fate was depicted as a child who relies on trinkets (The Helmet of Fate) rather than TRUE MAGICAL KNOWLEGE like Strange (who also uses trinkets). Honestly the pettiest writing I've seen in ages.

>>52717348
Don't drink the kool-aid, lad. You saw the parallels.

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>>52722381
Hollows are proof goo-girl fetishes transcend species

>>52722484

As they say, "Through dick, unity".

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>>52704340

Now there's a thought. Would future security forces be 'roided-up gorillas or delicate looking hotties?

The gorilla route is big and intimidating, which psychologically dissuades bad behavior on the principle of the 'that thing will fuck me up if I step out of line' subconscious response.

On the other, the helpful, polite secretary-looking girls walking the halls can be carrying weapons concealed in cyberlimbs, and be deceptively strong despite giving off 'that little thing isn't a threat' vibes before they suddenly start stabbing.

Which is better?

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>>52726594
To answer your question, both of these characters are on Oversight's payroll in my game. The standard corporate rentacop remains schlubby, because that's what's being paid for and other measures would have been chosen instead if this wasn't the intended image to project. You go gorilla guerillas of whatever sort if you want to project an old-school, classical era, military masculinity sort of vibe, and put them in suits if you want to take it even further. You pick secretary furies when you want a very post-fall, dazzling, "orientalist futurism" (as the commonwealth would call it) and intrigue-suggestive vibe. That these gender coded things persist is pretty likely, but I reckon it would just be more memes to throw around at random, so the actual gender of the guards and employer hardly matters. You could just as well step into a hypercorp's live innerface annex and find yourself shadowed by enormous snarling amazons, or find yourself gunned down by the shredders installed in the errand boys' arms.

>>52726594

Really depends on your message - memetics and optics are really important in the Transhuman future. >>52726831 hit most of it.

Sleek, high tech morphs which combine feminine aspects of beauty or sexuality with mind boggling destructive capability sends a different message than say, the unlimited waves of guys with muscles one size too large for their one size too small suits, complete with wrap-around Specs and anti-shockwave earplugs.

Then there's the third axis, using synths which resemble light combat vehicles or drones more than humans, covered in visible guns - still wearing the craters and scratches from where the last 50 attempts to try and take them out failed.

>>52726594
Both are situational

>>52726943
>unlimited waves of guys with muscles one size too large for their one size too small suits, complete with wrap-around Specs and anti-shockwave earplugs.
Moonies use these to suppress case riots, call 'em Mibs. The clankers don't want to break them because they want flesh so fucking bad they'd rather get their lot drawn to sleeve up in a Mib rush themselves.

>>52722484
Well.. I gotta ask what a Hollow is. This whole setting seems incredibly awesome though, gonna try and find a group that runs it.

>>52728462
Good luck

YOU'RE HERE FOREVER

>>52728462

xenofauna green goo bodysnatcher.

>>52728546
Avoid puddles, got it.

Which books should I read to DM a One Shot in a event next month?

>>52729628
>Japanese replay of EP
[Desire to know more intensifies]