Amonkhet Spoilers

Convincing ruse, cha-

>it's actually rela

Huh, neat.

yet another manateer. Great...

>Nissa is fucking simic now
Can we get a better monogreen walker then?

looks... interesting? not sure how to evaluate her, but she seems strong.

>seward of elements
you had one job wotc

>>52648925
first, they make her a retarded hippie, then, she steals Garruk's place in the standard rooster and now she isn't even a monowalker anymore? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52648992
>Ajani
>Sorin
>Fucking SARKHAN
Just because you get one color change doesn't mean you stay that way.

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Meanwhile, zombies

>set with three decent planeswalkers released

Has this happened before?

Also, BR looks to be shaping up pretty well in this set minus the seemingly strange lack of embalm. I guess I understand why black lacks those mechanics from a fluff standpoint, but oh well, at least the zombie tribal flavor isn't so bad.

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casual black 5/4 menace for 3

>>52649084
>Liliana
>decent
she sucks

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casual black 2/1 for 1

>>52649095
not him, but I still like her. Art is nice and seems pretty decent for any sort of kitchen table or EDH reanimator deck.

>>52648925
I..like it.

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>>52649111
>>52649115

>returning zombie mechanic that doesn't suck, also gets double posted

poetic

>>52649094

Seems strong, even with the counters

Muh zombie tribal in Standard is no longer a meme

>>52648925
>oh okay, we'll have nissa in BFZ/OGW block, that's fine
>we'll just skip EMN
>Oh, hey guys, here's a new nissa in KLD! I hope you like little nissa's big sister!
>AER can take a break, she's not seeing much play though...
>We're disappointed in how little play Nissa is seeing, so here's middle sister Nissa in AKH! I hope you guys like Nissa!

FUCK OFF WOTC. WE DON'T NEED THREE NISSAS IN STANDARD.

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Deathtouch, indestructible

Can't attack unless you control another creature with 4 or more strength

2G:: Another target creature gets +2/+0 and trample until end of turn

>>52649220
>Green god is by far the best one
what did wotc mean by this?

>>52649220
Who knew, this one's actually good.

>>52649070
I find it interesting that its activated ability affects all zombies, not just your own.

>>52649094
Zombie tribal has gotten a big push today.

>>52648925
I haven't seriously played M:tG in a long time, since before Planeswalkers were printed, in fact. Am I correct in assuming her third ability is kinda "meh," something you would *maybe* use towards the end of the game, while her first two abilities combined are where she really shines?

>>52649271
Yes. Planeswalkers generally shouldn't be evaluated by their ultimates.

>>52649220
Did not expect Deathtouch but otherwise what was expected. Hell, it's even stronger than theorised since the requirement is only 4 strength. You can easily achieve that on turn 4.

>>52649220
>deathtouch
>on a 5/5
Would giving him trample make him too broken ?

>>52649271
the "ultimate" ability is generally what you're supposed to be building up to and a good one can be game-ending because you're not supposed to actually get them that far
more often than not, an actually valuable 'walker has good other abilities and the "ultimate" is just gravy

>>52649301
He's a snek though, sneks have deathtouch

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Brick Squad deck taking form

>>52649235
We still have the black one, but yeah, calling it now, it's not going to top this.
Prediction: 3B for 5/4 menace indestructible, can only attack or block if your life is XYX or less, activated ability pays life.

>>52649297
Hell, t3 this, t4 nuGideon or oldGideon, animate gideon, attack with 5/5 deathtouch.

>>52648925
Aside from the fact that it's yet another Nissa (seriously WotC, give us a new walker. I don't care if it has to be that black woman that was talked about, I'm tired of seeing the same walkers every block) I think it's pretty cool.

>>52649337
Or even in stompy you buff one creature at sorcery speed and suddenly you get a 5/5 for 2G on the field able to attack

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I'm starting to understand why many oldfags dislike planeswalkers now

>>52649332
3B for a 5/4 menace indestructible sounds right, but I get the feeling it'll be more graveyard oriented. Can't attack or defend unless X cards or X creatures in a graveyard. Hopefully it's not just another pay life to draw mechanic

>>52649070
My first thought:
https://youtu.be/I3tVfs7jU2k

My second thought:
Hooray! More Lords for my Gisa mono-B Zombie EDH!

>>52649337
T1: Blisterpod or any other good 1-drop
T2: Exemplar of Strength, counters on the 1-drop
T3: Drop Snake God, have a 4/4 ready to fuck shit up and a 5/5 industructable deathtoucher

>>52649369
Graveyard would make sense, but every other God has an attack/block condition that can be easily manipulated, like hand size or number of creatures. Graveyard is hard to fill and empty, for both players

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>>52649220
fucking lethal with Nature's Way

>>52649398
If it is graveyard that matters then the god would probably have some kind of saccing mechanic.

Then there is also cycling.

>>52649321
Fun, though not that great.

Needs support to be viable.

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Got to have those camels!

>>52649398
>>52649422

1B, Sac a creature: Target player sacrifices a creature

Too good right?

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>>52649468
All the camels!

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>>52648925

she's potentially modern playable, right?

>>52649471
Ability is too cheap and would probably do something else instead.

Either making a 2/2 zombie(going by the art) or making the opponent lose life.

>>52649486
What modern UG deck wants to tap out on T3 or 4 to do literally nothing?

>>52649220
>If you have another god, I'll show you how much better I am.

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>>52649468
>>52649475
>can be dealt damage by deserts
ISHIGGYDIGGY

>X loyalty walker

What an absolute nightmare. Why would they think printing this is ok?

>>52648925
is this nissa good or garbage i can"t quite make my mind up desu

>>52649588
do split cards count as one or two cards in this graveyard?

>>52649677

one

>>52648925
4 fucking Nissas in standard
FOUR. FUCKING. NISSAS.

And they shoehorn her in simic instead of bringing a new walker to the scene. This is disgusting.

>>52649724
There's gonna be less Gatewatch cards after this set

>>52649400
It doesn't make them fight, just deal damage equal to it's power. I assume you're talking about his death touch interaction.

>>52649220
Why is this one's ability costed so much better than the others while it's already the easiest to activate?

>>52649798
still works

>>52649819
because only green gets playable cards

>>52649821
How does that work though? not saying you're wrong, it just sounds very counter intuitive with how that card is written.

>>52649575
My first thought. Is there nothing they can't fuck up?

>>52649860
It's still a source with deathtouch dealing the damage, same reason goblin sharpshooter works with basilisk collar

>>52649860
Nature's Way makes it so your creature deals the damage to the other creature.

>>52649724
>>52649781
I'm calling it, these two sets are going to have ALL the Gatewatch get a card, just in time for Nicol Bolas to hand them their first real defeat.

After that, yeah they've already said that they're going to dial down Gatewatch cards after Amonkhet. The excuse was "we couldn't apply feedback until the set after Amonkhet because of how far ahead we work.

>>52649724
Maro has already stated that they're working on this problem, but because they work so far in advance it's going to be a few more sets before we see progress

>>52649798
both deathtouch for the fight and then him having trample and deathtouch

>>52649941
He said they started dialing them down with Hour of Devastation

>>52649070
RETUUUURN THE SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAB

>>52649060
>>Sorin
Literally the worst example you could give as he actually did stay white even though it was originally stated he was only white on Innistrad.

>>52649220
>can pay naba to attack with him as long as you have a creature

real cool design there wizards

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>>52648925
>Nissa is now U/G
Good, maybe mono-green can get a planeswalker that isn't pants on head retarded now.

>>52649860
Chandras' ignition also works with deathtouch.

>>52648925
More mythic, midrange bombs. Fantasic.

>>52648925
Casting her for 2UG feels really good. Bant has been my pet deck in Modern since forever and at least one of these is going in it to test.

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Tokens, tokens errywhere.

>>52649588

Rip Goyf in Delver Decks. There's literally no reason to run him now that Blue has a better two-drop they can actually pitch to Force of Will and can get around Counterbalance.

>>52648925

Are we gonna get 5 Planeswalkers this set, the entire Gatewatch, then just Bolas in Hour of Devastation?

>>52650423
Hey Ghave.

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Too Many Nissas

>>52650423
>White Parallel Lives that affects everyone
Well this is interesting

>>52650479
No, 3 in Amonkhet, who the fuck knows in HoD

>>52650519
>everyone

>>52650519
"your control"
only you

>>52650528
>>52650538
Well I cocked up
No idea how I missed the "you control" part

Anyone else get the feeling that Amonkhet is going to be one of the most powerful sets in years? The expected value on these boxes should be big. Invest now.

>>52650423
I can get behind this card, I love me some tokens. I wonder if this stacks with itself.

>gideon now makes two 2/2s

>>52650591
Everyone is saying literally the opposite.
It's Kamigawa 2.0, there's very few worth cards and overall the power level is really low, the mechanics and frames are pretty bad, and the hyped up things like the Gods are huge disappointments.

>>52650591
there's a couple bombs but it's nice to see a lot of value cards, pretty evenly distributed, and in good number

>>52650612
It does better than "stack".
It multiplies.
If you have two 'sessions out, anything that'd make you one token instead makes four. Because one times two times two is four. Stop me if this is too much to take in.
Three 'sessions? 1 becomes 8.
Four 'sessions? 1 becomes 16.
Make token copies of your 'sessions? You'll need to bring over another table for your tokens.

>>52649220

So, Wizards, tell me if we aren't one of the lucky few to actually pull a God Card, how are we supposed to interact with it in limited? All the -1/-1 counters get put on our own creatures. There's no common-level remove indestructibility or prison auras so far. Are we to just lie down and let the opponent run a train over us?

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>>52648925
>she's in my colors now
REEEEEEEEEEEE

REMOVE THESE SHITTY FUCKING MANATEERS
KIORA WAS SHITTY ENOUGH AND NOW YOU BRING LITERAL HOMEWRECKING SHE BITCH INTO MY HOUSE

PLANESWALKERS AS PERMANENTS WAS THE BIGGEST GODDAMN MISTAKE

>>52650591
SHUT THE FUCK UP RUDY YOU FUCKING HOGNOSED THIEVING PRICE-JACKING BOX HOARDING CUT DICKED SHEKEL LOVING COCKSUCKING LIMPWRISTED GAME RUINING CARDBOARD GOLDING RATFACED BULLSHITTING KEKED PRICE JACKING JEWISH SON OF A WHORE

>>52650423

Seance tech, here we come!

>>52650657
Now I wish I could put multiples in my teysa EDH deck.

>>52650519
>Wizards
>printing universal effects outside of EDH

Not likely fucko. Too confusing for kiddies.

>>52650591
>powerful
Barely so for standard, and definitely not for any format other than standard. I haven't seen a single card that excites me so far.

>>52650423
Second harvest is still in standard, so there's room for some shenanigans with stuff like the embalm hydra.
Then again you'd need to survive till turn 8 in a meta full of aggro and combo deck, so it's probably impossible, but still.

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>>52650423
There has to be some way to abuse this

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>>52649095
>she doesn't fit into every deck that plays black so she is bad

>>52650406
Are you me? Post deck list pls.

How do you feel about GideonAoZ in Modern Bant?

This could literally have been a Kiora card.

>>52650856

green gearhulk?

Place your bets on how the Gatewatch ruin yet another plane.

>3:1 - Defeat Bolas and remove him from power
>5:1 - incite a civil war that continue to another set
>13:1 - All according to plan
>26:1 - Phyrexia invades
>50:1 - Eldrazi again?
>10,000:1 - Urza

>>52650964

You'd get two (up to) 5/5 Trample Flyers plus a couple of 4/4 zombies. Actually pretty nice.

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>>52651025
>>5:1 - incite a civil war that continue to another set
This is guaranteed. The theme of the brave 99% getting fed up with the oppressive cis male dracoarchy can plainly be seen in the cards alone. I would bet money it'll be the WE WUZ KANGZ nigwalker leading the powerful vibrant grassroots movement and the one that the Manateers install in Bolas' place when he's inevitably defeated.

>>52651033

the angel from kaladesh might be good as well.

>>52651033
>>52651229

The spirits are 1/1.

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>>52649352
Good News then

>>52650894
No list just now, I'm taking a break from work. But I've only run Elspeth, Knight-Errant in Bant since ye olden days, no other walker does it quite as well. AoZ feels unnecessary.

>>52651347
Yes, but the spirits are exact copies other then P/T, so they would both have the gearhulk's ETB.

>>52648925

>FAAAAAAK-

Wait what?

>>52651377
you could also pull up two spirits with two 8/8 zombies, basically every gearhulk sans white could be a great target

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>>52648925
>>52649070
>>52649094
>>52649111
>>52649138
>>52649220
>>52649475
>>52649588
>>52650423

Dammit, this shaping up to be a set I want to buy.

>>52651377

Oh, I got it.

>>52650657
>Four copies of Anointed Procession
>Four copies of Doubling Season
>Four copies of Parallel Lives
>Four copies of Primal Vigor
>Cast Call of the Conclave
>Create 65,536 3/3 Centaurs

Somehow so much more satisfying than going infinite.

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>>52651364
>good news
>"Yes, you wanted Gatewatch"

Fuck you, Rosewater. YOU wanted Gatewatch. No one else. Don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining.

>>52651025
>>52651172
Post yfw the endgame of the block is Bolas thoroughly pushing the Jacetice League's shit in and kicking them off his plane.

>>52650443
you are pretty dumb sir.

>>52651364
Damn how can you not think about that: everything, even think you love in too high quantity become disgusting, everybody know that.

>>52651477
With no survivors?

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>>52651477
It'd only be an excuse for a generic shonen training arc so the Gatewatch can go get some magic mushrooms and win the rematch. It wouldn't fix anything unless he pushed them all into a time rift, healed the Planeswalker spark and somehow wiped out all the 'walkers introduced post Time Spiral.

>>52651477
>>52651537
One of these days the Gatewatch will have to lose in order to sell the threat of their antagonists. The question is, is it Bolas's day? Or will it be New Phyrexia's?

>>52650423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAkdNkmyG08

>>52651565

New Phyrexia is very clearly the folks they beat up to get their confidence back after getting wrecked by Bolas. They aren't even Walkers.

>>52651527
Why would you bolt a man before throwing him out of your plane?

>>52651565
You can't lose to the rex.
The new rex is a wuss compared to the old one but they will still kill/maim you if you ever lose to them.

>>52651589
>New Phyrexia is very clearly the folks they beat up to get their confidence back
Make it happen, I'm so fucking tired of guy comming with "muh phyrexian invasion" in every mtg pre-release thread

>>52650443
>travel between planes by tearing the aether a new asshole with technology
You underestimate the glory of Phyrexia.

>>52651626
You will be first against the wall when the invasion comes.

>>52649819
because it's green, white is the second usable one so far. BIG SURPRISE.

>>52651424

Making the Spirits 5/5s is probably the better choice, given that they have two types of evasion.

>>52651589
Zero chance of that. They've already said several times that the next time we'll see the Phyrexians, they'll be visiting us instead of us visiting them. At best, they'll repel a Phyrexian invasion, but they have no way to win back Mirrodin.

>>52651622
>The Gatewatch squares up again New Phyrexia and loses
>One of the Gatewatch has to die for drama and it's up to you to decide
>Management says you're not allowed to pick Jace

Who

>>52651641
>>52651665

Phyrexians are lame without Yawgmoth, and you can't bring back Yawgmoth because there was a good conclusion to his story arc with Urza. They should have made a new enemy rather than resurrecting the corpse of a good one and slapping a fresh coat of paint on them. Hell, it's shameful, like the New Doctor Who Daleks.

>>52649242
And what idiotic reason would you activate it on a turn not your own?

>>52651710
Nissa

>>52651710

Nissa easy.

>>52651626

>Gatewatch cures Mirrodin with the power of friendship

That's so fucking terrible but the anal devastation to Phyrexia fanboy would make it all worth it.

>>52651710
Nissa or Chandra
I honestly don't mind Jace any more, he's nowhere near as bad as those two.

>>52651710
I feel like the most likely choice would be Ajani. He's definitely going to end up a doomed mentor figure somewhere down the line.

I think we all want it to be Nissa though.

>>52651728
>>52651737
>not Chandra
I don't want to ever see her PoV in lore again.

>>52651710
All of them but Jace.
I picked a suitably large value of one.

>>52651725
Multiplayer. The other dude with zombies swings all-in at your mutual foe.

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>>52649588
Memes

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>>52651710
Rule number one. You don't die when you lose against Phyrexians.

>>52649400
5 power is lethal all by itself for most things in competitive play.

>>52651725
Only thing I can see is rare corner case EDH politics. Maybe someone who isn't playing zombie tribal has a dozen zombies anyway thanks to good, old fashioned Grave Titan and they could kill a mutual enemy with your help.

>>52651710

Gideon. Fuck Gideon and his his stupid "rauuugh imma indestructable creature!!" schtick. It's crap. It's awful. Plus he only appeals to flaming homos who want bara husbands.

>>52651682

We know Old Phyrexia conquered a shit ton of worlds back in the day and atleast a few of them are still around, like the world Elspeth came from. Maybe instead of new Phyrexia we get a taste of Old Phyrexia who are trying to find Yawgmoth not knowing he's actually dead?

>>52651814
Led by Gix who's been out of the loop for a few millennia.

>>52651774
hold on now, you might be onto something

>>52651835
Led by Koth

>>52651875

>Koth
>Ever getting Compleated

His sheer anger alone will keep him Pure.

>>52650443

Goyf can be dropped turn 1, unlikely you achieve that with this guy

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>>52651921

>Koth joins the gatewatch
>Turns into a black stereotype

>>52651172
The fuck is a manateer

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>>52651780
You just get altered.

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>>52651947
And joins them.

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>>52651921
Now I want a version of this pic with Koth.

>>52651936
I would literally dress up as KKK man and burn all koth cards.

>>52651943
Like Planeteer, you know, from Captain Planet.

Well, since the flagship green planeswalker is no longer monogreen, it's obvious she's either going to die or become irrelevant in the next few blocks.

Who's going to be take Nissa's place as the iconic monogreen planeswalker?

>>52651966
>Corrupted by black mana
I am so fucking glad they dropped the black=evil shit.

>>52651966
>>52651947
>>52651780
Venser confirmed for new Demon

>>52652023
It's not that black is evil, just that it sounds with self-centered goals. Evil people tend to have quite a bit of black to them, but black isn't inherently evil. Ertai was already dickish, the black mana just made him fully embrace being a dick without shame.

>>52652020
>Nissa leaves Zendikar to travel to Lorwyn and learn black magic from the elves there
>The first colour she dips into is blue
>There's zero reason for it

>>52652037
>It's Karn again

>>52652023

>#blackmanamatters

>>52652059
>sounds
Aligns*
Fuck me.

>>52652059
>Evil people tend to have quite a bit of black to them
/pol/ please go.

>>52652023
Look being Black does mean you'll be evil but it certainly inclines you towards it.

>>52652082
You know what I was trying to say, fag.

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>>52652018
Also probably a pun with manatee

>>52652116
But manatees are cute.

>>52649475
Cards like this is why Green is the best color in Limited.

Look at that fucking body and mana cost. I'll just play as many of these as I can get.

>>52652018
That's stupid.

I wish female walkers would go back to being S T A C K E D. These days the biggest tits in the Avengers belong to Gideon.

>>52648925
As long as the walkers aren't +card advantage -removal i'm happy, those abilities were so boring just so they could be sure they were standard-relevant.

>>52652153

Go play Force of Will. It's a better game anyways with more fappable girls.

>>52651710
Nissa, alone for stealing the place of a potential blue/green walker in this set

>>52652153
no, that's not progressive enough, and just for mentioning it we're introducing our newest wolfkin demiromantic big beautiful pseudowoman planeswalker.

>>52651943
>being this underage

>>52651986
They're called Klansmen anon.

>>52652263
Look man, i'm in a moment of rage don't make me think hard.

>>52652023
>I am so fucking glad they dropped the black=evil shit.
>dropped

Fucking when? Tetsuo Umezawa is in the same colors as Bolas and is the hero of the Legends block.

Meanwhile in the present we get generic femme fatale Liliana, cut rate Galactus Ob Nixilixix, and at least one demon every fucking set.

>>52652243

>still playing Magic: The Tumblring

everyone in this thread is pretty embarrassing desu

>>52649220
>green one is the best god by far
>white is easily the second best
>others are unplayable

Wow what did Wizards of the "pushing Selesyna" Coast mean by this? Are we prepared for another century of standard where it's about white and green creatures and walkers turning sideways?

>>52652313
I was about to scold you for implying walkers turn sideways but then I remembered the only playable one is Big Bara Meme Man. Carry on.

We're gonna get a BR Tibalt in the future and it's gonna be the best 2 mana walker that ever gets printed, mark it.

>>52649220
Anyone think this could be playable in Abzan or Jund as a one of perhaps?

Goyf or Flayer or Ravine powers this thing on by itself and the ability to give goyf or Ravine trample seems pretty good.

>>52652288
Yaheeni you mong

>>52651450
I wouldn't be surprised if Maro dislikes the Gatewatch just as much as you do; he's just not allowed to say anything that can outright damage perception of the brand. An Avengers knock-off reeks of corporate meddling, and I'd bet forced appearance quotas via Hasbro fiat or something of the like have been a thorn in his side.

>>52652390
Yahenni isn't evil because black.

>>52651710
I'd break the rules and kill Nissa and Chandra because they are both awful

>muh nature
>muh fire

I'd also kill Gideon but he was tolerable before Gatewatch memes and the Gatewatch makes ALL of them intolerable so I'll let him slide

>>52649535
you could play her for 2 to buff your Goyf

>>52652415
I'm saying that Yaheeni is a GOOD character in black

>>52652313

>implying selesnya has been good in standard literally ever besides a short period where gatewatch the tokening was viable

>>52649575
>>52649889

Maybe they changed desert to deal 1 damage to target non-camel?

>>52652372
>Tibalt memester supreme BR
>+1 draw a card, a random opponent draws a card, all players discard a card at random
>0 All players discard a card at random, then draw a card, then lose 1 life, then draws a cards then disards a card at random then deal a damage equal to the cards drawn then discarded this turn elevated to the amount of life lost this turn, to random targets
>-4 Target random player loses the game, twice
There

>>52652023
Black was just associated with evil because that's the only mana colour available on Phyrexia

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>>52648925
>4 standard legal Nissas
>3 standard legal Gideons

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>>52652037
>Venser, The Fallen

I want it.

>>52652490

How about the fact that black is the color of defiling graveyards and human sacrifice and literal murder?

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>>52652496
>1 Standard-Legal Jace

I really like new Nissa in a vacuum. It's a lot of fun, really powerful without being completely broken, and seems to offer a lot of opportunities for counterplay.

On the other hand, it's real hard to shake the suspicion that one of two things is going to happen. Either it's going to be impossible to consistently get her out early and protect her, and she's going to be unplayable in another aggro-midrange format (or combo format - playing this against a Saheeli deck seems insanely bad) (I guess this goes in the same deck as that one 2G artifact hoser though so who knows maybe that's good enough). Or, it's going to be possible to get her out early and protect her consistently, in which case she provides enough value that she's going to be part of a dominant deck.

The problem is cards don't exist in a dang vacuum, you know, and there hasn't been any real sign of Wizards' capacity to balance everything out.

>>52652313
Green one Pairs insanely with the red one.

Just have a Noose Constrictor on turn 2
Drop Green God on Turn 3
Then Drop Red God on Turn 4, discard your hand and deal like 15 damage

Zombies is going to be better than it already is and Big Red is going to be real fun and Chandra, Torch of Defiance might actually be playable and RG Monsters is going to be a thing again which is cool

hopefully one of those decks is actually competitive

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>>52649588
>see the word Cryptic and Serpent and be reminded of some of my favorite cards
>get giddy
>it's just a dumb beatstick with a clearance sticker ability

I don't know what I expected from an uncommon in the NWO

>>52652601
If Copycat is still legal, only a strong aggro deck can stand a chance. That's just how it works.

>>52649301
Trample is too confusing for new players, so says Maro.

So trample is on life support until they cand find new evasion for green.

>>52652541

I don't really understand the hype desu, she seems awful in every format

Her 0 ability has the same problem that Narset planeswalker had which is that it only checks the top card so it's easy to whiff and you get no value for whiffing (unlike rashmi, for instance)

Her scry ability is also very low impact, not going to cut it for a planeswalker

Basically the only way you can play her is to be a UG ramp deck with a high number of creatures and get lucky with her 0

>>52650867
At first I thought that was a super rare merchant

>>52652645
you scry to set up the 0 ability. also, if you set your deck up right, it seems like you should hit a very high % of the time. over the long run, you're going to get completely insane value out of her. ramp is a natural home for her but i don't think she's limited to that.

the problem isn't the value, it's the thing where she's completely made of glass

>>52652645
yes we know you can't play.

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>>52651870
Sadly we have no better wheel effects in standard.

>>52652685

I get that you scry to set up the 0, but that's a whole turn of doing nothing, and then a second turn where unless you have a high impact creature in your top 2 cards, you're also doing nothing (getting a mana dork off your top deck isn't worth her mana cost)

I don't foresee this being played in any format at all

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>>52652645
>it only checks the top card so it's easy to whiff
It even curves out just to rub it in.

>>52652633
>Trample is too confusing for new players, so says Maro.
>So trample is on life support until they cand find new evasion for green.

The sad part is I can't tell if this is bait or real. I couldn't find anything that says it one way or the other but I could see it happening

>>52652601
My money is on zombies. Black has steadily been accruing a number of good spells through the last few sets.

>>52652715
I agree in the sense that this is a card that you are playing for the long game and not for immediate game-changing value, but the value that it provides over the long term is insane

I definitely don't know whether a deck that takes advantage of that is going to be actually good, but it's not hard to imagine what such a deck would look like

>>52652695
Collective defiance isn't horrible right? Cathartic reunion could maybe suffice as well. Too bad fateful showdown is kind of a bust.

>>52649588
After I saw this I started building a janky deck with these two:
>>52651774
>>52652695

>>52649386
Seems good. I already made the jump to blisterpod as soon as I saw that 4/4. Channeler Initiate can get there too with Rhondas' ability. Maybe splash black for Hapatra? That might be over doing it though.

What's the deal with this art? Everybody on /tg/ has been telling me that SJWs of the Coast no longer allows titties on cards.

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>>52652783
Actually yeah, SOI gave us more discard than I remembered.

>>52652065
>Nissa is bad at elfing

>>52652065
>There's zero reason for it

She's presumably learning something on Amonkhet that causes this change, and from some of the cards we've seen blue and green are tied together on the plane (especially where the Luxa is concerned).

>>52652996
Planeswalker cards are colored by mechanic/set balance. That's how we got UGR Sarkhan and WUG Tamyo.

>>52648925
>1GU for Scry 2
>sets up a free creature or land drop on the next turn unless removed
>keeps scrying and ticking up unless answered
Maybe not playable early game, and definitely not a playset, but seems like a solid investment as a two-of.

>>52652390
I have never heard of this creature and it's not a Planeswalker so it clearly can't be relevant. You're telling me it's a good guy?

>>52653044
no, it rebelled along with several other troublemakers against the enlightened rule of the Consulate. Don't listen to Renegade propaganda.

>>52649643
Great if not countered. She may not succeed in standard without the right deck, but she is going to make EDH general an operational salt mine.

>>52653070
>tfw you unironically wish Tezerret won
Even if his only interesting story is noncanon now it's still heaps more going for him than any of the "rebels" had.

>>52653042
If elvish mystic was in standard this would be a good line on turn 2

Instead it's a bad line turn 3

But it's not

>>52652903
>Listening to /tg/
Your first mistake.

>>52653115
>Tezzeret comes to a plane
>Tezzeret helps the local government in capturing a terrorist leader
>Tezzeret aids in technological advancement using his knowledge as a planeswalker
>Gatewatch terrorists come and drive him off
he did nothing wrong

>>52653119
>standard is the only format
>judging a card's potential power based on the worst format
I can't recall exactly when I stopped considering standard relevant, but it may have been around the point where Wizards decreed that Elvish Mystic was too powerful for the format.

>>52653237

It's not playable in modern due to abrupt decay and lightning bolt and general aggressive shit

Standard was its only hope of being relevant but without elvish mystic it's not going to be relevant

I guess in edh it might actually shine

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>>52653225
>Consulate shown to have a few bad eggs but not really that oppressive or evil overall
>we are supposed to be happy in Aether Revolt when Chandra and Nissa start beheading all the leaders in Kaladesh

They did a really piss poor job making that story make sense

>>52652733
It was being talked about in another thread. There was a screenshot where Maro said they are trying to find a different form of evasion for green.

>>52653294
There's something rather poetic about the attitudes of the Gatewatch and of Wizards' target audience.

>>52653258
>for 2UG this dodges the Bolt
>everyone has Decay in their hand at all times
>Decay being in the format means that any low-cost permanent is worthless
I literally have no reaction image.

>>52653347
They have to realize that they will eventually reach a point where nothing is left of the game

>>52648925
At least there's a reason for green decks to have card draw now, what with the inclusion of blue.

>>52653387
>implying this Nissa has any place in modern

Too unreliable and too slow. Even if it resolves then what? Oh fuck he 0'd and found a land on turn 3 or 4 or even maybe scrying !???. Don't mind me just storming off, playing karn, playing Thought-Knot or swining with a lethal deaths shadow on the other side of the table.

>>52653440
Card drawing has always been green too

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>>52649400
>Soul Fire in green for 2 CMC that gives two excellent keywords as well.

>>52653387

Lmaoing at your life that you think this is modern playable, stupid piece of shit

She doesn't protect herself, and her colors are bad at removal, which is necessary to protect her, furthermore if your deck has the high amount of removal necessary to support a durdly do nothing Walker like this, then your creature count is going to be too low to get value off her 0

Nissa fucking blows, useless in all formats

>>52649095
But she does at least feel like a necromancer this time. Vorthos good is still a category of good, just like art good and flavor text good.

>>52652919
I'm actually really excited for insult to injury more than any other card this set. Red is going to be a monster in standard and sealed environments as well

>>52649057
Maybe we're getting Garruk back? Or another fucking bland hippie.

New nissa gives your Goyfs +1/+1 for only UG

>>52653441
>everything must be cast the turn I draw it
>what is interaction
>I thought turn four WAS the lategame
So we've gone from "no Mystic to power it out T1" to "dies to removal" to "other decks can do stuff". Lovely, that about covers it.

Really what it comes down to, as with all interesting and/or good ideas, is whether it finds a home.

>>52650423
>Embalm one dead guy.
>Two mummies pop out of his tomb!

But then who was phone?

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>>52648925
>Every Jacetice League walker excluding Jace has 3 or more PW cards legal in standard at once
I WANT OFF WIZARDS WILD RIDE

>>52653532
I could see us getting Garruk. He could be introduced in HOD as the first in a series of an anti-gatewatch group of planeswalking assholes brought together by Bolas.

>>52653559

You are delusional friendo, no amount of strawmen will save this card. It will see 0 play in all formats.

>>52653624
Hey, it's going to see play in EDH!

>>52653413
Thank fuck I can still use old cards in legacy and EDH, every new set gives me a small aneurysm. Like the last set I liked was the first Innistrad, everything after was varying amounts of why.

>>52653635

Sorry I keep forgetting

>>52653603
I remember when there being 4 different Garruk cards in the game felt like too much, now I actually miss him.

>>52653651

Primal Hunter is so fun to play wkth

>Gatewatch have literally ruined every single plane they've come across
>They're the Good Guys

Even Urza didn't fuck up this badly.

>>52653413
One of their ideas for new green evasion is "can't be blocked by creatures with 2 or less power" tentatively called "Daunt" in R&D.

Honestly sounds like a bit of an upgrade as someone who unironically enjoys slamming fat timmy threats. Completely replacing trample is fucking stupid though.

>>52651537
Long ago, in a distant land...I, BOLAS, planeswalking master of darkness, was an UNSPEAKABLE evil.
But, some FOOLISH planeswalkers, wielding pushed cards, stepped forth to oppose me.
But, before the final blows were struck, I tore open some PORTALS IN TIME, and FLUNG them into the future, where my EVIL is LAW.
Now the FOOLS seek to return to the past, and undo the future that is BOLAS.

>>52651172
You couldn't have at least matched the skintones and swapped Gideon and Jace guy?
I swear, complainers these days put no effort into their craft.

>tfw you can make a 60 card deck with nothing but Gideon, Nissa and Liliana and 20 lands

>>52653671
>Zendikar is nearly completely annihilated because Nissa is a twat
>Killing the Eldrazi titans could potentially have fucked up the natural cycle of planar death and rebirth
>Jace and Co had no real impact on Innistrad, Emrakul would have imprisoned itself in the moon with or without their intervention
>Kaladesh went from being a peaceful, relatively safe, orderly society with a few morally dubious people at the top to a crumbling anarchist playground
>Amonkhet has its own unique culture that most of the planes residents happily live within and the Jacetice League is going to fuck it all up because "muh moral righteousness"
Gatewatch: no sense of right or wrong!

>>52652023
I meaneed, we've had villains in other colors before. And heroes in black.

But I mean, villains most often care about "me me me" which is why they're okay with harming others for their own gain. So by its very nature, you're gonna get a lot of black villains.

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>>52649094
> Mikaeus the Unhallowed EDH

>>52652537
Jace is the best member of the Gatewatch, and the only one reasonably close to a decent character.

Fight me.

>>52652243
Only if the wolfkin is Innistradian and has a body hair problem during full moons.

>>52653842
Gatewatch is about American interventionism, the fascist subtext is right there in the title.

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>>52653896
Jace is an annoying brat with no personality outside of "oh man reading all of these peoples minds is giving me a headache I am so tired all the time wow." Gids is the only half-decent member of the Jacetice League because of his struggle to come to terms with the death of his friends and his thoughts and understanding of gods. And even then, he's STILL pretty crappy.

>>52653959
Gideon isn't even the same person from block to block.

Literally the only consistent thing about him is that he has a stupid weapon and long hair.

>>52652533
White and blue make zombies too.
It's about approach.

White makes them for service to the community, eking as much possible usefulness out of every member of society it can.
Blue makes them in an ill-advised pursuit of knowledge.
Black makes them in a way that ignores taboos to gain personal power.

>>52654001
but aren't there shitloads of undead that are generated purely by black mana, like black mana itself is about undeath?

>>52653706
Nicole bolas, shape-shifting
Crazy voices hearing planes walker wielding a magic hedron stumbled through a portal in time.
Now he's saved ugin and returned to the future to stop the evil that is bolas.

wtf? M:tg actually has a story?
I just buy cards and play with my brother.

>>52653981
>Every character isn't even the same person from weekly story to weekly story.
ftfy.

>>52653878
Just realized it's another triskelion if you have a sac engine. GG mikaeus

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Minotaur tribal is back online baby

>>52654068
Dies to shock.

>>52654017
Self-generating undead aren't the result of graverobbing, now are they?

>>52649369
2B: each player discards a card. Meant to work with cycling

>>52654017
Liches? Self-seeking, they want immortality.
Revenants? Self-seeking, want revenge.
Mindless? Self-seeking, hungry.

>>52651758
Jace is honestly my favorite of the main five at this point, as weird as that feels to say. He's just such a bumbling doof in the lore snippets they put out it's hard not to like the guy.

>>52649475
This thing fucks up anything your opponent has put -1/-1 counters on.

Also, that ability feels awfully complex for what the NWO claims should be the case.

>>52653896
Jace has the luck to have not been butchered by the Kaladesh story, since he only appeared in three/four stories, of which two were on Ravnica

>>52654194
>The part where Gideon gives Nissa a pat on the shoulder after they solved all of Kaladesh's problems by being so fucking awesome
>Nissa gets triggered and acts like an insecure child
>When she was first introduced as the fucking elven Hitler

>>52654068
>tribal
>nothing but 3-mana lords
>1 each of a 1-mana and 2-mana efficient creature

Yeah no. The thing about Merfolk, Elves, and Zombies is that they actually do something unique, even all-Lords like Merfolk. Other tribal is just dogshit Lords. Even mono-white Death and Taxes is a better tribal deck than pushed Lord tribal decks.

>>52650514
I just lost The Game.

>>52654120
The active ability is supposed to work with their creature condition though. If it's just discard it'll likely be a creature dependent on the opponent's hand if anything since Hazoret already has a discard engine. I'm thinking it might be lifelink and pay life to draw cards because, as bland as it is, it ties into the "ambition" theme well enough

>>52654242
>The thing about Merfolk, Elves, and Zombies
>Zombies
hahaha
Oh wow.
HAHAHA.

>>52654165
This. He was especially good in the Shadows story as a fish out of water in a plane that doesn't take shit from mind mages. His slow descent into insanity was also pretty fun.

>>52654242
>>52654092

I was joking but now I'm realizing there's at least a few minotaurs in this set. I thought there was literally one other minotaur even in the set at first.

>>52648925
>Literally only Blue aspect is Scry in a non-scry centric set and Flying on the tokens

>>52654050
no seriously, are there books? how can I read the story?

>>52654254

Zombies just placed in an SCG modern event. They're not anywhere near Merfolk or Elves, but they're still a long ways away from shit like Minotaurs.

>>52654247
Didn't that end when the prime minister of Britain said on public TV "the game is up?"

>>52654288
>Modern
Hahaha
Oh god anon you can't be this hilarious.

>>52654285
Books used to be packaged with the Fat Packs, you can find a lot of them for cheap online. More recently in Magic's History, they've been posted on the Magic website, however.

>>52654050
>>52654285
There used to be books. Mileage may vary if you decide to seek them out.
Currently the story is delivered in weekly articles on wizards' website.

>>52654305
>>52654313
awesome, thanks guys. I only started with fatpacks in innistrad, I bought single packs before that.

>>52654285
They post weekly stories on the official website. The quality of writing varies widely though because Wizards employs something like 6+ different writers at any given time.

If you want to know more about the lore of the setting and not just specific stories, you can check out the wiki.

>>52654304

What other format do you want to talk about? Legacy, where Merfolk don't exist? Or are you just lazily shitposting?

>>52654288
Link to the list?

>>52654362

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-mono-black-zombies#paper

>>52654285
There are books spanning as far back as Arabian Nights, probably further. Since some of the more recent sets, it's all online.

>>52654336
>Legacy, where Merfolk don't exist
hahahaha
HAHAHA
Honestly just get a trip, something like "memedernette!" and "cuck" on the hash.

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>'Heaven' is now the name of a green card

Does nobody else see this as a fuckup?

>>52654401

Feel free to point me to recent Merfolk legacy decks, I'd love to see them.

>>52654248
Erebos was already greed though, so I dont think it will be pay life to draw cards. You could be right though.

>>52654385
>it isn't sultai zombie coco with Diregraf Captain and lotleth troll
it's shit desu

>>52654417
'Heaven to Earth' is a silly name.
This is the only one that works with the old naming scheme. 'Heaven and Earth' is so much better.

>>52654417
Really thought it'd be Fall

But I guess there is already Rise//Fall so they couldn't?

>>52654441
Nylea already gave a bonus and trample, Heliod already made tokens, Purph already did 2 to all opponents

>>526544
>bird of paradise is green.
>Latin name for heaven is paradisio.
Seems legit

>>52654458
Yeah, fall to earth would make sense.

Though I would almost expect that to remove flying then hit nonfliers.

>>52654417
Truly the best example of how creatively bankrupt aftermath is

>>52649111
>>52649115
nice

>>52650423
>even more ways to get infinite mana with Eldrazi Displacer

I don't understand the point.

>>52651710
Objective gatewatch rankings

>Spaghetti Tier
Jace

>Bro Tier
Gideon

>Fuck off you annoying cunt tier
Chandra

>Please die tied
Nissa

>Will die tier
Ajani

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>>52654417
>still no good aftermath cards

>>52654621
>Not putting Gideon under Will die tier

>>52654641

I'm sorry, Instant/Instant Aftermath is too powerful for Standard

>>52654657
>If both halves were Ember Shot, it would still be too powerful for standard because of instant/instant
That's not how balancing works.

>>52654657
You could even make them sorceries and have them be decent. They all just seem insanely overcosted for no reason.

As soon as I saw Rags was a 4 mana sorcery for -2/-2 sweeper I knew all Aftermath cards were gonna be hot garbage

>>52654621
god i hate Chandra,i can tolerate everyone else but i just hate Chandra's "i HAVE to rebel against everything"

>>52654718
But anon you don't understand!! It's two cards in one! For one card you can do two things! Clearly slapping an extra mana on both sides is the only way to make them fair.

Am I the only one who is happy that Aftermath is total shit? Those cards are uglier than sin and they deserve to disappear

>>52654850
Except for nissa and maybe jace, I'd describe them all as their color to a fault.

>>52654385
that isn't zombie tribal though, cool deck nonetheless

>>52649197
Maybe if you and everyone else's mother didn't cry and complain incessantly about the 18 month rotation then maybe BFZ/OGW wouldn't be in the new standard once Amonkhet hits.

Consider maybe not being a fucking mongoloid and thinking about why we're here instead of just bitching at them constantly.

Do you think Neheb can work in a madness list?

I've been trying to do that one for a while now.

>>52655108

It's a black deck with predominantly zombie creatures. What else does it have to have to qualify as a tribal deck? Lords?

>>52655188
It's a deck made exclusively or almost like short of 1 creature of X creature type, that deck is half zombies and half vampires and is basically a mono black aggro deck.

>>52655188
Over a third of the creatures are not Zombies. To be a tribal, it needs to be at least almost exclusively one type of creature and be creature focused deck.

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>>52652153
Please anon, no girls actually have big tits. The Patriarchy certainly did its job in making you think that. We progressively represent all body types! Especially the womyn that are flat chested but also massively weight-gifted. Such is the body of the Goddess

>>52656108
>Especially the womyn that are flat chested but also massively weight-gifted.

I mean you were half way there

>>52652919
>>52652783

If you splash in black you can also use Collective Brutality.

>>52654417
>Not 'Heaven or Hell'

>>52649475
That is a pretty damn good common.

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>>52656752
>not 'HELL AND HEAVEN'

>>52656108
>flat chested
>massively weight-gifted
I'm pretty sure you're talking about those sad sacks of lard that weigh 300lbs but have A-cups, but it made me think of those rare girls that have relatively small bodies and no chest but massive hips/thighs/ass.