"""Balanced""" Desert edition

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"OMG it's just like Death's Shadow, but worthless!"

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This is just Gearseeker Serpent, but not awful

>>52648713
should have costed one less to cast, it's really meh right now

>>52648706
I'm guessing that the reason they decided not to reprint Desert is because it's constant unpreventable damage at no cost.

>>52648713
More like a shittier Nyaxathid

>>52648806
>"they decided not to reprint Desert because it's fair"
I don't understand your statement

>>52648806
Maybe they should print decent amounts of land destruction then.
Oh, wait, sorry. Forgot that removal is badwrong and that interacting with lands is badwrong.

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>Rhonas, the Indomitable

>Deathtouch, indestructible

>Rhonas, the Indomitable can't attack or block unless you control another creature with power 4 or greater.

>2G: Another target creature you control gains +2/0 and trample until end of turn.


It's not bad

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Simic Nissa.
I guess we're not seeing Kiora ever again

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Zombie Tribal?

>>52648745
It's also uncommon which likely means it's intended to be a staple for RB Hellbent in draft.

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>>52649405
Yeah, something tells me WotC wants Zombie Tribal to be a thing

>>52648806
They don't want Desert in Standard because it easily creates board stalls, screws with combat math, and discourages you from being aggressive. Especially in multiples.

>>52648734
I wish it was common so much anon.

>>52649447
>screws with combat math
>casuals can't handle 1 extra damage

>discourages aggro
Oh noooo. That suuucks

>>52649389
I'd say "Good, Kiora was terrible" but Nissa is somehow worse.

God, to think I once thought playing the most hipster two color combo would protect me from this nuwalker nonsense.

>>52648706
I am literally disgusted by this card.

>>52649447
And that's how we arrived at Creatures: The Tappening.
Any sort of interaction with your opponent's creatures is badwrongfun.

>>52649447
If people can't play around fucking Desert then I honestly don't know what to say, that's fucking toddler tier.

>>52648706
I guess I can fuck around with recurring it 40 times in a turn to kill someone in EDH but that's fucking durdle tier, was Desert really so fucking overpowered that they had to release this bland piece of bread in card form?

>>52649447
So "fuck Standard" is what I'm hearing?

>>52651767

Gurmag Angler is just not doing it for you, Pauperfag?

>>52653636
Can't play grumag in mono U
Cloud did nothing wrong, should have banned delver of "1 mana 3/2 is fine lmao"

>>52648713
I didn't know wizards were still capable of making good flavor texts.

>>52648706
There are a few return land to hand effects in blue that could make it playable in UG maybe? Blue cartouche also aids synergy into a beater deck

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>>52648706
>Desert was overpowered so we had to make a version of it that's total fucking trash

Every god damn thing about this expansion looks like ass except the full art lands, and even those are only in 25% of packs.

>>52648706
Is it just me, or do most of the """"""rares"""""" in this set look like trash draft fodder? How is this set supposed to compete in the same standard environment as kaladesh? It's really disappointing, because I was hoping amonkhet would save standard, but it looks like we will be getting at least another 4 months of vehicles vs saheeli

>>52655117
B A N H A M M E R
Also, they've stated more than once that, since Vehicles were a new subtype, they weren't sure how good they'd actually be - especially since they changed in the middle of Kaladesh development from 'this many bodies' to 'this much power'
They wanted to make sure people would play them. They got their wish, a bit too much.
And, of course, somehow didn't see the interaction between Saheeli and Feldari Guardian whatsoever.

>>52655159
>Also, they've stated more than once that, since Vehicles were a new subtype, they weren't sure how good they'd actually be - especially since they changed in the middle of Kaladesh development from 'this many bodies' to 'this much power'
That explains the totally pointless Servo subtheme.

>>52653621
Yep. Personally, just play casual with friends.

>>52655225
They also thought Servos were going to be a deck in and of themselves.
It wasn't a pointless subtheme. They seriously thought it was going to be a major deck.
Development has no idea what it's doing.

>>52653583
Given the existence of cards that care about Deserts as a subtype, I suspect there will be other deserts at uncommon and rare.

>>52648745

should have cost BB

>>52655294
Why don't they just embargo pro players to test shit for them if they are so awful at it. Like beta testers for sets or something.

I'm asking a probably stupid question, but here I go anyway.
A friend of mine opened a booster with a card that had 'S' rarity, what's that?
Sorry for being a complete noob, but I thought rarity stuff would be clear nowadays, but people online talk about c, u, r and m, no mention of 's'.
It's foiled and it's legendary, pics of the same card online has an m though. He's not trying to sell it or whatever he didn't know what it meant and I don't know either.
He and I would like to know out of curiosity.

>>52649389

get used to this card, you'll be seeing it a lot.

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>>52655382
>Why don't they just embargo pro players to test shit for them
wat?

>>52655411
What's the card name?

>>52652345
Aggro decks are important anon

>>52655382
Development actually IS made of former pro players.
Keyword: former.
From years ago at this point.
And they've ended up with some weird ideas about How Shit Works since they're just working with themselves all the time instead of with others at all.
Various pro players have said that if they test too much within their own groups, they'll start valuing some cards too highly. Development does that too, but with Development they'll do that still even after they themselves nerf the card into oblivion. See First Response, which once cost much less and was running rampant in their leagues, which they were STILL playing and designing cards around - like Siege Rhino - despite it being a shitty underwhelming enchantment in the real world.
>>52655447
I'm assuming he meant 'you aren't allowed to play in formats with these cards and can't talk about them, in exchange for helping us playtest with them and getting paid for it'

>>52655411
Is it a kaladesh invention or something? They're orange.

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>>52655462
Oops, forgot pic

>>52655544
Every 1 in 108 booster packs in Kaladesh block contain an Invention card. They're valuable promos. This is one of them.

>>52655567
See that's what confused us it was in an aether revolt booster, thanks for the info

>>52649405
Wow, it's like Gravecrawler but shit.

>>52655600
They're in every standard legal set from Kaladesh on. The frame (And name of the type of card) is shared between the two sets in each block (IE, Expeditions for BFZ, Inventions for KLD, Objectively shit for AMK)

>>52648713
Yeah but that art and flavor though.
>it'a a phantom like horror
>it gets stronger when you have less reason

>>52655648
My bad, sorry for the misunderstanding on my part.

>>52648713
>it actually is bigger than any of the gods if you're hellbent

lel

>>52649421
Why didn't they add a Mummy creature type? I really wanted to make a Mummy tribal deck.

>>52655853
They're Cretins

>>52655853
Because then they don't benefit from zombie tribal cards!
Please ignore the nagas and jackals in the room.

>>52655471
But outside of some new set SCGs and the like, we haven't had aggro in standard for a while. It's all mid-range shit that looks like aggro.

>>52649365
>>52528995
Hilariously Prowling Serpopard is a 4/3 and does activate the god.

>>52655947

Why are naga even a thing on Amonkhet?

>>52656203
Reptile people are a thing in egyptian mythology, and what other creature type could you possibly give to reptile people?

>>52656225
Snake. Lizard. Lamia (kek).

>>52656225
Viashino
Snake
Lizard
Cat

>>52656225
Creature - Jew

It would even be fitting for an egypt plane.

>>52656312
Then they'd have to errata Maro

>>52656330
>Sniveling jew

>>52656330
Wouldn't be the first time.
>Summon Nature Spirit

>>52656347
The origins walkers would likely need to face errata too...

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Just saw this guy on the MTGGoldfish twitch stream.

>>52656886
Maybe worth it in Modern burn against certain decks?

>>52656886
>Not Planeswalker

Cat combo still reigns supreme

>>52656886
The ONE KIND OF CARD that Red can do SOME sort of enchantment hate, and they pussy out.
Why is it not just 'permanent'?
Also, who wants to bet this is their attempt at trying to design the 'broken red two drop' people keep asking for?

>>52656886
That's pretty solid. Burning-Tree Shaman has a new best friend.

>>52656978
>Why is it not just 'permanent'?

because they didn't want to print a hatebear that read 'lol planeswalkers'

>>52656886

This is pretty hilarious in a fetch-land format.

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>>52649389
>Interacting with Lands
WORTHLESS

Give me an interesting Simic Walker not something that just grinds out value

>>52656886
This is going into all my red EDH decks. Try and go infinite now mother fucker.

>>52656886
well that's going in everything

>>52656886
>5 life for fetch/shock
Just burn me up senpai

>>52657151

'scool, I'm running Death's Shadow

>>52657224
Seems like a pain in the ass for DS if they don't Tarfire it before taking too much.

>>52653583
>EDH
>complaining about durdle tier
pick one, filthy casual.

>>52655294
>Development has no idea what it's doing.
God if that isn't the truest thing I've heard all year. How do you not look at a set full of token makers with butts bigger than fists and not realize "hey zen/inn standard is gonna be boring as shit tokens slamming into more boring fucking tokens until someone drops their overpowered angel"?

This is the same company that thinks "redhead who likes fire" and "awkward dork" are complex characters, and that "girl goes from innocent healer to slutty necromancer" is character development.

Fuck you, WotC. Fire MaRo and hire someone under 45 & pay them a competitive salary. Then maybe you won't be such a greasy dumpster fire.

>>52656886
This is insane. I don't normally hype shit up, but are you guys seeing this?

Or do you guys not play Legacy or Modern? Or Vehicles? Or anything.

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>>52656886
RDW is gonna be so live

>>52648734
>a 5/6 flyer with affinity for artifacts
>bad

>>52657561
Definitely just gave red a .very. authoritative 2 drop that can jam fetchlands and certain combos. Buying 3 playsets.

>>52655947
One-Off creature types are cancerous and parasitic. Be glad that mummies are zombies, because that way they'll get support and mummy-like stuff might see prints in other sets. Good fucking luck though if you want to play shit like Samurai, Minotaurs, Viashino or Cephalids.

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>>52648806
>>52649447
I have a solution!

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So this works how I think right? I can put three -1/-1 counters on a Scarab and get 3 scarabs?

Here's a question: how come tron doesn't side in 4 deserts in modern? It was a timeshifted card in time spiral so it's legal in the format.

>>52657691
Yes.

>>52657725
Too much combo in the format, I guess.

>>52656978
what enchantments in any format get repeatedly activated?

>>52657691
unless English isn't your first or second language how could you possibly think it would do anything else?

>>52657725
Everybody knows desert can only be activated at the end of combat step right?
You guys all know it doesn't do fucking shit right? In what format is poking 1/1s to death AFTER they swung and hit you overpowered?

>>52657775
He might be thinking that the scarab token would die as a state based effect once one -1/-1 token touches it, and if the tokens get applied consecutively, not simultaneously, he'd only get a single scarab out of it.
Which is not the case, but might very well be.

>>52657775
You put one counter on a Scarab, it dies, the rest fizzle.
Which I figure in this fuck Standard something that stupid would happen.
Now if you'll excuse me I've got to go play Golgari Scarabs

>>52657804
People are probably misremembering the text, because "Deal 1 Damage to an attacking creature at the end of combat" is really fucking weak and there'd be no reason then for Wizards not to reprint it then.

>>52657747
opposition
aggravated assault
glare of subdual
repercussion
yawgmoth's bargain
necropotence
the theros gods
attrition
goblin bombardment
survival of the fittest
food chain (I don't think it's a mana ability but I could be wrong)
Splinter Twin
greater good

>>52657351
Death's shadow really doesn't want to get mana-jammed bc a fetch is going to push them over the edge, I think this card is going to see some heavy rotation

>>52649389
>Remember when Nissa was Gb?
>You're a fucking nazi if you do, Nissa was never a nazi

>>52657855
Twin gives the creature the ability

>>52657933
Fair enough.

>>52654939
the full art swamps look fucking great.

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>>52657652
>Banding

>>52655510
I feel like they need outsiders to playtest though or the problem you've mentioned will always be constant. Sure it's a chance it will happen but with their team it almost feels guaranteed, especially when they are the ones balancing and nerfing things.

Didn't pirates rape hearthstone for like a year because of this same exact issue?

>>52656886
"If you combo, you lose" the card

>>52648706
So currently there is no reason to buy this set over Kal/Aeth right? I know more casual players will but people with mardu and saheeli combo decks have no use for these sets because they can't even compete. I hope Hour of Devastation fixes this shit

>>52657855
>didn't even mention Sneak Attack

>>52657492
>complains about Development and Creative
>calls for the company to fire Maro, who isn't in either of those departments

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>>52658301
Isn't it sad, MaRo-chan?

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>>52658311
>This counters Hellbent and burns the opponent
IT ALL COMES TOGETHER

>>52656886
What relevant cards does this hit in modern?

All fetches and Inkmoths obviously

Scavenging Ooze. What else?

>>52657561
In Legacy it's sideboard tier vs Lands.
In Modern it may push the Eidolon to sideboard status because it beats a lot of decks.
In Standard it'll just force vehicles to run more Shock.

>>52658496
Basically everything in Lantern control, arcbound ravager, aether vial.

>>52648706
my thoughts that they might make multiple "flavors" of desert. I mean there is that one card that searches for deserts in this set, so it ain't outside the realm of possibility.

And hey, who knows, maybe it'll be an invocation in Hour of Devastation where the magic barrier keeping the horrible desert out disappears and the real desert spills its way into the city.

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>>52656886
With this complete the Dark Confidant cycle?

>>52656886
>not planeswalkers

Fuck I hate WotC

>>52658567
>Doesn't affect enchantments
it's shit

>>52656886

I want to pair this with eidolon but then i'm bad at magic

>>52658583
Are you kidding me? Stopping every Planeswalker without at least a +3 from ever ticking up is insane.

>>52658603
>I want to pair this burn card with another burn card

Good idea captain

>>52658496
creature lands activating (raging ravine or cellestial collonade), cursecatcher, the infinite combos with visera seer and kitchen finks and anafenza, mishra's bauble

the only relevent legacy card it doesn't stop is counterbalance.

>>52658607
Planeswalkers need to go and stay go.

>>52658232
I could only think of so many

>>52658689
>Errata burn cards that target players to include planeswalkers as "players"
>Balance out Planeswalkers
wow

>>52658711
You can already redirect player damage to planeswalkers. Is that what you're saying?

>>52658747
that's combat damage though. You can't bolt a Planeswalker

>>52658496
>In Legacy
Deathrite Shaman
Umezawa's Jitte
Batterskull
Swords of X&Y
Mother of Runes
Aether Vial
Rishadan Port
Wasteland
Fetchlands
Grim Lavamancer
Counterbalance
Sensei's Divining Top
Dark Depths
Thespian's Stage
Vampire Hexmage
Maze of Ith
Cephalid Colisseum
Knight of the Reliquary
Griselbrand
Stoneforge Mystic
Grindstone
Painter's Sevant
>In Modern
Fetchlands
Manlands
Mishra's Bauble
Fulminator Mage
Aether Vial
Arcbound Ravager
Cranial Plating
Steel Overseer
Sanctum of Ugin
Horizon Canopy
Spellskite
Oblivion Stone
Expedition Map
Scavenging Ooze
Shambling Vent
Stirring Wildwood
Raging Ravine
Cursecatcher
Mutavault
Relic of Progenitus
Engineered Explosives

Off the top of my head.
If it affected Planeswalkers it'd be broken.

>>52658765
yes you can?

>>52658765
No, I think you can.

>>52658765
>That's combat damage though
Burn spells are not combat damage.
>You can't bolt a planeswalker
True, but you can redirect damage to the planeswalker, which is essentially the same thing.

>>52658786
>doesn't say enchantment
>counterbalance

>>52658765
>Lightning Bolt - no, it can't target a planeswalker. But you can target your opponent with Lightning Bolt, and redirect the damage to their planeswalker as mentioned above. It doesn't target the planeswalker, but it'll end up dealing damage to it.Dec 15, 2014

>>52648734

If only it had flying.

>>52658765

maybe... don't have strong opinions on things you know nothing about?

>>52658765

What?

You bolt the controller then redirect damage.

>>52658765
Yes you can.
>/tg/ is bad at magic is a meme, is a meme

>>52658812
It still rapes Miracles.

>>52658849
I mean, he is technically correct. You have to target the controller to hit the PW. This is important because it means Leyline of Sanctity gives PWs protection from burn.

>>52658849
Not opine on things you don't know about? On the internet? On 4chan? On /tg/?

You don't go to a strip club to play chess now do you?

>>52658855
>>52658853
>>52658849
>>52658831
>>52658801
>>52658798
>>52658797
To be fair to the guy, it doesn't make sense that giving yourself hexproof stops your opponent from bolting your planeswalkers.

>>52658518
>Fetches aren't mana abilities
>bolt for every land

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>>52658765
I always thought '/tg/ is bad at magic' was a meme. Guess not.

>>52658496
almost everything in tron

>>52656886

>We wuz bad teachers and stuff

Fucking Tyrone ruining several viable decks (and not hitting Storm)

>>52658867
Yeah, why the hell are people saying this isn't going to be played over Eidolon?

>>52658897
The only thing in Tron it hits is maps, O-stone, and I guess ghost quarter, and relic.

Eggs are mana abilities.

>>52657840
Perhaps that's the reason Desert isn't in the set. People repeatedly thinking it's just 1 to an attacker and playing it wrong. Because if people are dumb, the card is badwrong.
On the other hand, As Foretold and Approach of the Second Sun and New Perspectives have shown that people are idiots about lots of stuff and they printed it, so no, Development probably somehow decided that it really is too powerful, somehow.

>>52658930
right. I think tron runs a couple fetches, but can;t be sure. Whatever the case, this will punish greedy manabases which is 90% of the format

>>52658983
>this will punish greedy manabases
Why do you faggots have such a hard on for punishing people who don't play 100% basic lands only?

>>52658928
Because Eidolon rapes everything else.
They'll be meta calls. For Delver metas Eidolon, for Miracles metas Niggerdolon.

>>52659019

Because fuck you, that's why.

>>52658983
Only memey tron lists like Bant or Grixis run fetches. G/x, U, and Eldrazi tron are all fetchless.

You're certainly right about this punishing most manabases in modern though. I expect Harsh Mentor to see play as at least a 2-of mainboard in burn lists.

>>52659019
It's extra damage practically every turn. this may mean 4 extra damage or even 6 from one card taht can swing

>>52659019
Why do you want a format where games end on turn 3 or 4?

>>52659068
I'm not denying that's what the card does, I just can't understand why people here jerk themselves off over cards preventing people from playing real decks instead of linear noninteractive goldfish piles

>>52656886
might just be one of the top 3 cards in the set.

>>52659117

Might be the only good card in this set

>>52659130
So far it IS the good cards

>>52658496
It hits almost all combos in the game.

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>>52659094
>complains that the card stops people from playing "real decks"
>card punishes greedy manabases that enable linear aggro degeneracy
Are you okay anon?

>>52659019
Because aggro decks that run more than two colors are degenerate as fuck.

>>52659202
When people refer to "greedy mana bases" they are almost exclusively referring to BGx midrange decks that get hosed by blood moon.

>>52658518
No way this moves all 4 Eidolons to the sideboard. Maybe 1. I see this replacing grim lavamancer in the mainboard. I would probably run 3 of this guy in my 75.

>>52658928
Because it will be played alongside it.

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>>52655252
>tfw my casual friends insist on playing Standard
My saved images aren't loading so I'm just going to post a random one and hope it conveys my emotions

>>52655853
Because they are worried having more than a handful of creature types will confuse and anger the mind of a new player

>>52659207
>Thinking this will make agro decks worse

Anon I have some bad news for you.

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Now we just need Desertpost and I can play Desert in Modern.

>>52659419
I didn't say it would, I just think that aggro decks should never be enabled to have consistent 3 color manabases.

>>52659400
nice buzzwords. It has nothing to do with new players.
>>52655853
>print Naga creature type
>people cry bloody murder that their snake tribe shouldn't be split up
>print Mummies with Zombie creature type
>people bitch about mummies not getting their own type
Jesus fucking christ

>>52656886
Wow I think this will be the first card ever that I preorder. It's insane in Legacy vs Miracles

>>52648734
Why isn't it a snake?

Why is serpent a thing?

What is different between a snake and a serpent?

I don't think I've been as confused during spoiler season in a long time.

>>52659506
While the words themselves are pretty interchangeable in spoken language, serpent has mythical beast implications. All serpents in mtg are hueg sea creatures.

>>52657561
>Modern
Bad punish effect for fetching, not much else.
>Legacy
Gets countered or Terminused against Miracles, does nothing against BUG, Burn, Delver, Eldrazi, Sneak & Show, Storm, Reanimator, etc.

>>52659889
>Gets countered or Terminused against Miracles
"Dies to removal" is alive and well.

>>52659889
>Gets countered or Terminused against Miracles
same can be said about Eidolon and Lavamancer and those cards are great against Miracles

>>52659946
It's literally the entire point of Miracles.

Go ahead, tell me how many of your threats stick against the best control deck, and the best deck overall in Legacy.

>>52648706

This, Piranha Marsh, Worldgorger Dragon, Entomb, Animate Dead. Sunscorched Desert does have the benefit over Piranha Marsh because it doesn't come into play tapped, so you could combo off turn two (or turn one with two Lotus Petals).

It'd be a fun super-budget Legacy combo.

>>52660060
Neat. What's would the filler be for the deck if you're not playing blue for budget reasons?

>>52660019
I don't think you understand the burn matchup.

Harsh Mentor isn't a hard counter like Eidolon is against Storm, but if he gets 4 or more damage to the opponent, he's done his job and your opponent had to answer it with something. And Countertop is a bit less scary with the change to Wear//Tear.

>>52659231
3 color and 4 color decks/manabases are so uncommon these days

Like:
Return of cycling, gives options on how to spend the card
Good enough powerlevel on common and uncommons

Dislike:
+1/+1 and -1/-1 counter mechanics
Tribals
Hellbent

>>52660019
>Go ahead, tell me how many of your threats stick against the best control deck, and the best deck overall in Legacy.

There's no doubt that Miracles is the best deck in legacy. But put this in a deck like Delver where you also have counter backup, and you could feasibly keep it alive through even a single removal spell. Any SDT out will become very painful for Miracles.

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>>52656886

>mfw this does jack shit to Seismic Assault

Duck Hunt continues to be the best deck in Modern

UNDEFEATED

>>52660132
Of all the things to drop before the Miracles player sets up a lock, something that only punishes them once they've won probably isn't the right choice. The rules change isn't relevant enough to stop that.

>cycling and hellbent in the same set

Who thought this was a good idea?

>>52660124

If you're not runnin' blue, you'll want to protect the combo via discard. That means Thoughtseize, Unmask, Cabal Therapy, or Duress (don't do Inquisition, it can't hit Force of Will). It'd basically be what Red/Black Reanimator does to protect its combo. You could also run Dark Rituals and Hymn to Tourach, and Buried Alive/Faithless Looting as backup for the Entomb.

>>52655510
Yeah, that "can't talk about them" clause worked well with the french and New Phyrexia

>>52660312
How much mana do you think the deck needs?
4x Lotus Petal
2x Chrome Mox
4x Dark Ritual
?x Cabal Ritual?
12-14 lands?

What about digging as lolnoblue. Night's Whisper? Spoils of the Vault?

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>>52648706
This'll be cool with Kefnet the Careful. Run a bunch. Artifacts. Kefnet draw and finisher along with Consecrated and maybe a 2-of winner like Wurmcoil or something.

Neat.

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and it's shit

>>52660951
Ahh, so cool! In the end I am only disappointed by Oketra, but that hurts the most because white (and cats) are my favorite.

>>52660951
>Combos with eldrazi scions
Ayyyyy

>>52660951
Meh.
It's not COMPLETE trash...

>>52660975
Good idea

>>52658567
Well, is it better than Young Pyromancer?

>>52660711

It really only needs two mana to function properly, so low mana-count would be ideal. B/R Reanimator usually runs only 12 lands too (and 8 of those are fetches). Once you do the Worldgorger dragon combo with one of your drain lands on the battlefield, you win. With eight copies of the land, you should be able to get one easily either in your opening hand or with faithless looting. You can also run eight copies of Animate Dead if you also run Dance of the Dead to supplement, as again we wouldn't care about attacking, just doing a fuck-ton of blinking to the board. The only thing you can't really run a redundant of in the deck is Worldgorger Dragon, which makes me think leaning heavier into protecting Worldgorger from an effect that would take him out of your deck, or including an alternate win condition, would be a good use of whatever remaining design-space. B/R Reanimator only runs Faithless Looting to dig, and it seems to do pretty well at having explosive starts, so I don't think Night's Whisper or Spoils of the Vault would be necessary (but you could always experiment). Another thing you'd have to watch out for is Leyline of Sanctity, as both Piranha Marsh and the new Desert have to be able to target the player. Altar of the Brood would be an interesting workaround for that, though.

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>>52660951
T R A S H
R
A
S
H

>>52661049
Such a bad opinion presented with a faggot meme, you are a real winner

>>52660951
>Managed to be huge hot garbage

So the Green and White gods are the only that could become barely playable?

The Blue being a 1 of in some standard control lists

The Red being hot garbage in most aggro lists

And the Black being the Jank lord not seeing play ANYWHERE


Is that where mtg stands now?


I will label this set.

Battle for Theros Kamigawa 2.0

>>52660951

damn, son. It's particularly bad given just how good the Green God was. I feel like his ability should have been: Sacrifice a creature, target opponent sacrifices a creature.

>>52661049
>someone saved my shitty photoshop reaction pic
I don't know how I should feel about this

>>52661077
Well you obviously feel some pride

>>52660951
>3 cost
>evasive
>easily enables attacking and blocking
>scary 1 and drain and gain 1

Not bad, honestly. At least yoy can keep cards in hand. Maybe Aristocrats can be a deck againt.

>>52661073
Green is the best by a large margin

I feel white is the second best and red is playable somewhere

Blue and Black both sit in the corner of the corner of the room for being retarded

>>52658868
Only targetted burn

>>52661099
Black is still leagues more playable than blue. Blue god is unfathomably bad

>>52661126
I would agree. I think the blue god will see play in super controlling sideboard matches against other control just as a more sticky azure mage.

I can't believe they made his restriction so bad. Even if it was something like 5 cards or more in hand it would still be pretty underwhelming.

>>52661126
You think so? He makes great use of cycle lands and flying is a pretty serious
ability, only Oketra has a better one. He can pick up some swords and fuck face my dude, and just like all the others he's god damned indestructible. And more, drawing cards is a stronger ability than S crying or some lame 1/1 vig dork. I don't only defend him but he's particularly one of my favorite. I'd say my 3rd of the 5.

>>52661126
With all the creatures that etb/ltb create tokens and Embalm creatures, Bontu is more playable than Red or Blue. I would rate them White=Green>Black>Red>Blue

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Yeah Kefnet's dope as fuck, I say. But in this art his little sliver head is so small you practically can't see it! It's almost good art, but losing their very head in the light is pretty crippling.

>>52660951
Green and white are the strongest again. Really makes you think.

>>52661082
But anon, it's a shitty meme
I literally made it while drunk and shitposting on tumblr

>>52661198
I think it looks pretty good, I always expand that thumbnail when is see it

>>52661191
It's the same problem with Bontu on the Vindicate and Pulse invocations. They have these weird head poses that are up and into the light. Must be the art director.

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>>52661208
Fine, have more of my shitty OC

>>52661196
by quite a large margin too

>>52661089
You forgot the whole paying mana and using a creature that could've attacked or blocked to get two bears through.

>>52660019
Burn is often 2-3 damage away from beating Miracles before they lock. If this guy can punish just two top activations, the match is suddenly on Burn's favor.

>>52661250
>sacrificing one bear for two bears and also scrying and draining for 1
oh yeah, total shit amirite?

>>52660951
Of course it's shit, it's not green.

>>52661280
Permanently losing a bear to get an extra bear that turn, but also spending mana to do it.

>>52661235
Thanks

>>52661312
yeah, sacrificing one bear, so it can be blocked by two bears, which it then kills.

>>52657105
Sure, I'll take the 4 damage it takes for my Scion to wreck your face...

>>52661364
That is literally what the flavor text is telling the opponent on Harsh Mentor.

>>52661245
Green especially. All of the other gods need a deck built around them green is a fucking on tempo turn 3 play into generic 4 drop.

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>>52661330
No problem

>>52661331
Or they just take four and fucking smash you with Gideon and Heart for twice that.

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>>52661191
>KEFRET THE MIRBFUL

>>52661398
I found this, based on the blacked out text of Invoke Prejudice.

>>52661446
Fucking lol

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>>52661446
I didn't make that one, although I wish I did because it's great.

I made this one, though. I've seen it use a bit before.

>>52661482
I've seen that a few times actually

>>52661049
>>52661235
>>52661398
>>52661446
These are so dank I love them.

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>>52661049
>mfw I know what every card is in that pic

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>>52661491
It has a second version

>>52661495
Make your own, then. There aren't enough dank /tg/ memes.

>>52661505
Much funnier

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>>52661504
What are they? I made the damn thing and even I don't remember everything I used in it.

>>52648713
>Great art
>Great flavor text
>Will never see play

It really is a shame.

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>>52661482
I made a filename of this image.

Wonder if it will become more relevant if the Doran Assault Formation in Modern catches on.

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>>52661521
Goddamnit, give me a bit.

>>52660251
Duck Hunt?

>>52661591
I think he means Seismic Swans

>>52659889
So Miracles is going to ACTIVATE AN ABILITY on their ARTIFACT to drop a Terminus?

>>52661546
Evershrike
Blatant Thievery
Day of judgement
Boonweaver Giant
Champion of Stray Souls
Chandra's Fury
Aether Adept
From Beyond
Sea God's Revenge
Altar's Light

>>52661591
Treasure Hunt decks: some of the cheapest decks you can play in Modern and possibly win games with
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-18-0-5-tix-modern-zombie-hunt

>>52656886
this is going to be great in chord of calling and coco decks

>>52660951
Remember when Wizards claimed there was still tons of design space left? Everything on this card has been seen before.

>>52661649

Everything in this set has been seen before.

Amonkhet is literally stitched together from 4+ sets.

>>52661616
>>52661624
Thought that might be what you were talking about. Just making sure.

How does Seismic Swans function with a full RU mana base, better or worse?

>>52661687
Swans is a bit better, since its more than just 6 spells and 54 lands.

>>52661591
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-77-46-tix-42-land-swan-hunt-modern
Also known as Seismic Swans.
The combo involves using:
>Swans of Bryn Argoll: can be used to beatdown in a pinch, but mostly used for card draw; turns your Bolts into Ancestral Recalls
>Seismic Assault: turns your lands into free Shocks; with the swan, it turns all your lands into "discard this, draw 2 for free"
>Molten Vortex: back-up Seismic Assault so that you can find your actual Seismic Assault; requires mana to operate, so it's not effective in comboing off

The deck doesn't need 42 lands, but it requires Darkmore Salvage for dredging and re-discarding and a graveshuffler such as Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, to avoid decking out. The 42 lands deck is cheaper to make, though.

So Green > Red > Black > White >>>>>>>> Blue right?

>>52661761
G>W>R>B>U

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>>52661546
Was fonishing some stuff at work, we about to get out. In the meantime:

(E)vershrike
Blatant Thie(VERY)
(DAY) of Judgement
Boon(WE)aver Giant?
Champion of (STRAY) Souls
Chandra's (FU)ry
AE(THER) Adept
(FROM) Beyond
Sea (GOD'S) Revenge
Altar's (LIGHT)

>>52661761
>>52661790
trash >>> Amonkhet

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>>52661624
Aw damn, you already got to it.

>>52659439
too bad CP is banned in modern

>>52661856
It's banned in a lot of places.

>>52661161

well, I guess you have to ask yourself the question, how often do you recall ever having seven cards in hand, even in limited?

Hell I remember playing Saviors of Kamigawa with its sweep and wisdom mechanics and it was STILL rare as fuck.

Magic's Art Got Worse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1D5jjD5eIQ

He's kinda right. The set name laziness starts shitting the bed at New Phyrexia.

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>>52653583
>durdle tier
>not wanting to going infinite on turn 3 with desert, a swamp, animate dead, and worldgorger dragon

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>>52660951
>feel like this is the best of the egyptian gods
>know everyone else will disagree with me anyways
>will still end up pushing it hard

>>52662101
No she's my favorite of the 5 too, and yeah I suppose those gator legs look pretty silky. If we're talking about bonkers and all.

>>52662101
It does nothing.

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>>52662112
I'm talking about the cheapness of the card's ability and the requirement needed just to get it to do anything of substance

Plus it has Menace

You really can't go wrong with that, I feel.

>>52662128
I meant to say I'm talking about boners

>>52657747
>>52657855
Luminarch Ascension?

>>52649389

Overrated. We've seen what happens to walkers that can't reliably protect themselves and rely on good topdecks - See Narset.

Now, if we get a Simic ramp deck, this will have a chance because you can drop it for 8 and immediately get 10 hasty flying damage.

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>>52656886
As an Elves player, I'm glad with anything that fights Miracles. But this is just a bazooka that also hurts my shamans/symbiotes.

>>52661686
That's because of R&D's current design philosophy which stems from a current fear of taking risks with unpresidented designs due to the game's recent all time high. Everything seems fine, so why risk alienating players by doing something unfamiliar? It might also be a case of them realizing that they're quickly running out of novel ideas and try to conserve them as much as possible, or they just flat out don't have any anymore.

It's weird how Maro has spent years talking about how the game has to constantly push boundaries and reinvent itself or it dies, and yet every design lesson he talks about on his podcast boils down to how blocks need to be more samey because innovation threatens to destroy the game. Either he truly lacks self-awareness or he knows that most people won't notice and is simply saying what they want to hear.

>>52661191
Kepret the mirdpuli is pretty cool, its weird how a blue card has no head but indestructible isnt common in blue so that must be the reason.

>>52662304
Legacy is fucked after this guy. Mission complished wotc.

>>52662344
Hes being general with his podcast, dude knows what they are doing is killing the game.

>>52662304
>whenever an opponent...

These gods lack that presence the theros ones had since those had a static ability to go along with.

>Oketra could've had an anthem, which could justify 4 mana 1/1's
>Kefnet could've gave you no maximum hand size so you aren't maintining an exact hand size of 7 to use him
>Bontu could've had an on death trigger to get a 2/2 zombie to feed into his ability considering right now you have to sacrifice board presence just to swing with a 4 power creature
>Hazoret could've bolted a creature whenever you discard a card to help him get through and reward discarding to activate him
>Ronas could've let you play an additional land or added G to your mana pool during your precombat main phase to help get a fatty out to activate ferocious
>lower the mana cost of every god's activated ability by 1

There, I just fixed all 5 gods while still keeping the drawback intact. I could probably live with them all costing 1 mana more aside from Hazoret. Fuck wotc.

>>52662437

They're not 'killing the game' until sales drop meaningfully. If they keep up good sales numbers, they have no reason to change.

>>52662612
You also made all five wordy.

>>52662667
oh no a legendary god card has text written on it

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Fling.

>>52662667
Mythics can certainly afford to be wordy. Especially when it's something as supposedly splashy as the focal point of the set.

>>52662709
wizards has said in the past they'd never print 20 on a card.

>>52662344

>All time high

This isn't real right? Magic is basically dead in my area outside of Modern.

>>52662709
I mean, I give wotc tons of shit for unabashedly pushing green so much in comparison to the other colors in recent years but how really blame them if when I see this I shit myself in excitement

>>52662661
They lost money all 2016 long after a ridiculously profitable 2015. Q4 '16 put them barely where they were before Theros..

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>>52662709
Source?

Also see pic related if you're in charge of taking a picture of monitor.

>>52662760
Wizards has said many things in the past. Remember when they announced that mythic rarity was for big splashy effects and not constructed playable efficient cards?

>>52662763
Yes it isn't real. They only sell mtg in your area.

>>52662786
>Remember when they announced that mythic rarity was for big splashy effects and not constructed playable efficient cards?
No, because they didn't say that, but they were careful to word in such a way that people would take it that way to ease them into the idea.

What they actually said was that not *every* mythic would be constructed playable, and that not *every* constructed playable card would be mythic.

>>52659506
Snakes are green (occasionally black) and land based. Serpents are blue and water based. Typically snakes are small but deadly creatures, typically serpents are large but have trouble attacking (following blue's "large creatures with problems" like Leviathans and Krakens).

>>52662709
I believe it.

>>52659506
That's a distinction that the game has made for years, so regardless of wether one thinks it's stupid or not it's not Amonkhet's fault. What is Amonkhet's fault, however, is suddenly making Jackal a creature type distinct from Hound, while at the same time making goatmen Minotaurs.

>>52662709
>Legendary wurm
Finally?

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>>52662709
>Aetherworks Marvel now has another valid target besides Ulamog

>>52662760
They already have, Spawnsire of Ulamog

>>52662856
Me too. Maro has been hyping up the mythic vanilla for some time. 8 mana 20/20 no abilities, legend drawback, seems real

>>52662709
green has good land tutors
okina and rogues passage means least amount of pumping necessary for commander damage win

>>52663014
Oh sod off.
20 as in: abusable 20.

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>>52662709
>yfw it's real and that a simple ass wurm made by Bolas forever ago in his heyday is literally stronger than an Eldritch god

>>52663011
>implying a 20/20 vanilla means shit when mardu vehicles just disintegrations it and cat combo just goes around it

>>52663057

Makes sense, considering how powerful Bolas was in his heyday.

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>>52662709
>tfw those people that joked about magic turning into people smashing super undercosted 20/20's together were right
This is the dawn of a new era.

>>52662579
Obviously not playing this myself.

>something something meta something

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>>52662709
It's fake, look at the copyright bit. It's got "and" instead of "&" like all the other cards with the m15 border.

The vanilla 20/20 dream is dead.

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>>52663250
Thank god, I almost got excited for a Magic set.

>>52662794

I mean I live in one of the biggest cities in America, I figure my sample size is good.

Is the foreign market holding standard up or something?

>>52663057
The eldrazi aren't powerful. Sorin could have killed all three at the same time without excerting himself if Ugin had told him how.
That's gonna bite the phantom lizard in the ass one of these days.

>>52652345
>>casuals can't handle 1 extra damage
It's a bit more complex than just one extra damage, anon. If your opponent has even just one Desert in play and you decide to attack with at least two creatures you first have to calculate all possible blocks he can make and the effect using Desert on either of your attackers would have in all of those situations. Add one more Desert and the calculation doesn't become just twice as hard, it becomes several times more complex than that.

>>discourages aggro
Discouraging aggression is not the same thing as discouraging aggro. What Desert does is discouraging you from being proactive, which, to be honest, the game already does fine even without cards like Desert and is also probably it's single biggest flaw design-wise. Board stalls are neither fun nor interesting to watch or play out.

>>52648706
If it did 1 damage to target creature or player, it would be decent.

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>>52663057
>bolas
>ass
>wurm

So.. it's a.. tape wurm?

>>52663615
>a land that lets your remove their 1 drop if you're on the draw

that's retarded kiddo

>>52663623
Yes, it is exactly the kind of big ass wurm that feasts on the ass of the land itself. We Demon Eater now.

>>52663250
Oh wow, I was almost excited for something from this set.

>>52658867
>swords it

>>52662709
It's fake, but hot damn do I want it.

>>52661889
Nah, just modern.