Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1435: Age of Jumper Edition

>>52641587
But wouldn't that apply to just about everything besides custom NPs and a few perks? Also, explain why you feel that way?

>>52641571
Age of Dark is a good thing, it was supposed to happen a long ass time ago. The Dark Souls Universe is exactly like a forest and a forest fire. Forest fires burn the overgrowth and open the way for new plants to grow, this is good and natural. What's not natural is artificially keeping the forest fire going somehow for thousands of years after it was supposed to go out and got done burning the overgrowth. Now it's burning shit too much, nothing good comes from turning the former forest and the foundation it rested on into pure ash. Let the new forest grow and "don't touch anything."

If you don't understand this analogy, understand this. "Do, not, touch, anything."

If you had to speedrun Jumpchain (i.e. complete a chain in as few jumps as possible), how would you do it? Which jumps would you pick, and how many jumps would be the absolute minimum to reliably finish?

So, question: Does killing Edo Tensei zombies count as killing the real thing for Ghost Warriors from DBM?

>>52641667
Too late. Usurping the Fire.

>>52641567
By itself, Heaven's Feel.

I like being an infinite mana ghost.

If I'm being a spicy memeball and buying multiple Magics or giving a Companion their own so we can share our Magics later on, Second+Fifth. No need to worry about using your time shit smart, just dump the heat in an universe that already ate shit and died.

>>52641571
>And doesn't everybody basically die
Without the dark sign humans literally cannot die.

And here's the big secret of Dark Souls:

Humans are the creatures of the dark.

>>52641516
This being the case, is it probable that I would acquire dozens of Aliens over the ten years spent in the Ben 10 Jump, if I purchased an Omnitrix myself, without having to pay any CP for them?

>>52641571
It really doesn't work that way. But if you're really insistent on "escaping the Cycle", then look into the True Monarch and the Crowns of the Old Kings from Dark Souls 2. The protagonist can get a memory of Vendrick to use his research to imbue some crowns with some weird soul magic that will then make the PC immortal without Hollowing.

The world will still go to shit, though. And you can apparently achieve the same effect by just bringing about the Age of Dark.

>>52641682
DAMNIT, I EXPLICITLY PUT UP A "DON'T TOUCH" SIGN NEXT TO THE FIRST FLAME

You're like the person who goes to the museum and pokes fragile precious displays, slowly degrading them with other careless visitors using your gross fingers and bodily oils.

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>>52641682
That's actually a good thing, because it brings about the Age of Dark.

But you already know that don't you, Red?

>>52641690
Yes. Very.

>>52641567
First. It solves all resource problems on it's own and I love the idea of just being able to wave my hand and have whatever appear.

I like the third as well for the ability to move people souls into other things. It's great for shenanigans. Be it putting people in doom bost or otherwise. Also the ascention trick is cool, but I think it's solidly in second place.

Fourth is nice, but really breaking things is easy enough to do manually and actually having enough power to break the things you'd need it for is unlikely without excessive means.

I don't have strong opinions either way on the Second.
Fifth is like paying a hobo to stab you in the kidney.

>>52641684
Well to be fair, if you poke the Dark too much it becomes the Abyss. But then if you poke Life too much it becomes Demons. Light and Death probably aren't much better if you start poking them. Which really just loops back around to what anon said earlier:

JUST DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING

>>52641760
I'm gonna touch all the things.

>>52641708
>>52641760
I AM GOING TO TOUCH ALL THE THINGS.

>>52641780
STOP WITH THE TOUCHING, BAD ANON

>>52641760
What if you touch everything all at once, maintaining an equal amount of full contact on all of the things you are touching?

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>>52641780
>>52641783

>>52641783
YOU THERE, READ THIS >>52641789

I KNOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT NOT READING IT

READ IT

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So I've been in a fucky place lately, and I think I need your guys idea on this.

I have NO idea how to handle Companions in the Shadow Realm. I can list some monsters that can't be companioned, and some that can only be companion'd in limited amounts(For example, you probably can't get Dark Magician Knight AND Dark Magician, since they're otensibly the same dude...and there's only 3 sexy blue eyes dragons in existence. )

Should I make a specific list in-jump, or just make a universal pricing rule(i'm thinking of using Tributes as the pricing marker. i.e 0 tributes are cheapest, 2 tribute-monsters are most expensive) give a link/direct people to somewhere where they can check their levels? Also means that if people wanna spend CP to companion...i'unno, a Basic Insect, they can since I wouldn't think to allow it on my own.

I also think I'd need to clarify that certain archetypes can access ALL of their support monsters beyond the cut-off date I figured out(such as Amazons, Harpies, the Summoned Skull Archfiends, the Dark Magicians, etc)

What's your guys take on this? I don't know if I can list out every single companion, but I don't wanna be lazy and just put in the equivalent of a wiki link.

>>52641789
FOOL, JUMPER DOES AS HE PLEASES!

>>52641664
Yes, yes it does. What people forget about Nasuverse magic is that Nasuverse wizards are shit. The True Magics aren't impressive because they do anything particularly strong, but because ordinary magecraft is so weak. There are many other, better magic systems out there. I'm not saying this in an inter-jump balance argument, I get that the True Magics are cool in the setting they come from and should therefore cost accordingly. But that's only because it's a weak setting. I've got better stuff already, when it comes to magic. I'd rather spend my CP on the much more interesting perks that the jump offers that everyone seems to ignore in favor of grabbing at the shinies.

Reminder that Nito is a big salty shit who refused to associate with or grant humans anything. Even scaredy pants Gwyn didn't go that far.

All because he's butthurt about muh death not being absolute.

>>52641810
List the ones you think are worth special attention then include a generic option with a link for the rest.

>>52641822
HOW ABOUT YOU OPEN A BIG CAN "I NEED TO STOP TOUCHING SHIT" SINCE YOU'RE GETTING SO HANDSY DOOM

>>52641828
Nito granted one of the best gifts imaginable. Sweet, merciful death. A release many beings sought in the end.

>>52641810
Maybe a mix of the two? A universal pricing rule, but there would be some monsters that would have their own entries. You know, just so you can talk them up, point out why this or that monster is particularly cool. They'd still cost as much as if you were buying them as a universal pricing thing, but this way you get to inject some flavor into the companions section.

>>52641810
It might be better to ask this at SB. They're a much better fit for your... special brand of creativity.

>>52641810
List the ones you think need notation due to being directly lore relevant (ie DM, the remaining Blue-Eyes, you get the idea) then do the thing about tribute costs. That sounds cool.

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>>52641874

Am I the only who has no intention of taking any True Magic during my times in Fate?

>>52641895
No, but you are probably in a the minority.

>>52641895
I'm not taking it either. Too hyped up in my opinion.

>>52641810
One universal option, and a few specific ones? Like, for example, you'd list out the Blue Eyes White Dragon sisters, the Dark Magicians, the Mystic Elf, the Machine King, etc.

>>52641895
No, I quite agree. I was just talking about this. The other perks are much more interesting.

>>52641826
I mean, to be fair, Zelretch punched out a TYPE. And Time Travel and complete immortality aren't exactly a dime a dozen in /jc/.

>>52641869
>Nito granted one of the best gifts imaginable. Sweet, merciful death.
But here's the thing.

Humans couldn't die without the Dark Sign.

Gwyn branded them with the Dark Sign.

So it was Gwyn that gave them death, not Nito.

>>52641895
Nah, I skipped out on it too for a Reality Marble, Hero stuff, Demiservant, imports and shelling out enough points to get Astolfo. People who got True Magics just really like talking about them.

>>52641828
Where are you getting this from?

>>52641895
I personally went for the grail corruption & dragon core perks.

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>>52641460
's why I said "think" and "seemingly", chief.

>>52641494
It just...kind of does? Digitises DNA to incorporate into itself as a record of sorts. Ghostfreak broke out, one time.

Oh, and it doesn't work on magical creatures. And like Android products, it apparently receives software updates from the creators' planet

>>52641517
While the souls themselves don't fade, the WORLD itself does. And once the world's swallowed up in darkness, the Lords are at a distinct disadvantage to dark-based lifeforms.

And yes, pretty much. Guy seemed to be all about legacies, considering he sacrificed one of his daughters to put a stasis lock on the Ringed City.

>>52641530
>>52641828

Indeed.

Although, Nito DID grant members of the Gravelord Covenant the power to shoot copies of his sword out of the ground at gankers. He just seems a lot less proactive than the other Lords. His soul mentioned he used up most of his strength just powering the concept of death even before Pinwheel came along and started leeching off him.

He did create the Milfanito, though. I mean his domain is DEATH, most folks probably didn't want that much to do with him so he just skulked off into a crypt.

>>52641567
The Third has nostalgic value.

>>52641587
For the record, I've checked and it's pretty rare to find magic that can outright create custom tailored concepts solely from a single user's prowess, turn the soul into a hyperdimensional perpetual magic machine or sacrifice time for energy.

And most of them don't scale up to blasting an image of the moon back or overloading Noble Phantasms to make magical black holes. Personally for me the appeal of the True Magics comes from how versatile the basic premises are.

>>52641760
And remember! If you poke dragons, you either get albino giantesses or snake/crow people.

Unless you're a pygmy/hollow/human and join dragon fight club, in which case you start to become one.

>>52641925
Gwyn opened the door that Nito was waiting on the other side of. Nito don't care who you are, Nito's just helping you die and rest in peace.

>>52641928
Nito's description, he hid himself away in a crypt and didn't do anything.

The various magic types. Three are derived from a lord soul and one is just souls in general. Their inventor all decided humans should learn these magics, except Hexes which are just natural to them. There's no magic type taught by Nito.

>>52641953
Nito: Helping you die before death was a thing

LITERALLY, he helped kill Everlasting Dragons after all

>>52641953
But he turns your body into a skeleton.

>>52641914
>I mean, to be fair, Zelretch punched out a TYPE
Yeah, and for that reason I respect Zelretch, for being able to take a relatively weak magic style and powergame it to the point where he could defeat an Elder God, if at great personal cost. But that's just because he's awesome, not because the Second Magic is.

>And Time Travel and complete immortality aren't exactly a dime a dozen in /jc/.
They're common enough that I don't care to waste 1000CP on them. Besides, the time travel is inefficient and dangerous and the immortality is only complete in the setting it originates from, plenty of other worlds have way to mess with souls.

>>52641955
Sure there is, the magic of eternal sleep. Also Pyromancy wasn't devised by The Witch of Izalith but one of her daughters.

This guy >>52641962 gets it.

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So while we’re on a Dark Souls-y topic, question.

Suppose back in Jump 142, original Dark Souls, I took the drawback Beginning of an Age and swiped part of the First Flame - not the whole thing, but a section. Then suppose I did a bad thing where I mixed a shit-ton of different supernatural flames together and, with a soul spliced with part of the soul of a horse that feeds upon flame as spiritual sustenance, lit myself on fire like a dumb-ass in jump 291, Final Fantasy 12.

Then suppose all this shit stewed together until Dark Souls 3, which is Jump 697.

Do I assume the First Flame just zips across space and time to finish setting my ass on fire and rejoin the other ‘half’ of it? Or how did I fuck up?

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>>52641632
Eclipse Phase Build
Mars
57 yo female
AGI

Skills
• Biohacker Package (Gear: healing vat)
• Hard Hat Package (Gear:Software writing AI package, Work simulspace environment gear)
• Nanotechnician Package (Gear:nanoengineering simulspace & a General Nanobot Hive)
• Mega-Engineering Package (Gear: Structural Sim Simulspace, Engineering AI) 900
• Device Engineering Package (Gear: Disassembly tools & wrist-mounted tools augmentation) 800

Genetic Algorithms 200
Sleeve-Easy free
Non-Human Neural Model 100
Rep Networks
• Level 2 Research Network Affiliation (RNA)
• Level 1 Ecowave


Morphs (600 points=700 in all)
• Infomorph free
○ Basic modes
○ Bodymod Biomorph
○ Standard pack all skill mods
• Neotenic (biomorph) 600
○ Basic mods
○ Bodymod Biomorph
○ Cognition aptitude enhancement free
○ Standard pack all skill mods
• Surya (biomorph) 400
○ Basic mods
○ Bodymod Biomorph
○ Standard pack all skill mods
• Flexbot (synth) 200
○ Basic mods
○ Bodymod Biomorph
○ Cosmetic alterations Cool paintjob, red black and gold. 150
○ Unique look, smooth curving lines, looks almost organic 100
○ Mega Engineering Cutting Edge Mod 0
○ Standard pack all other skill mods


Equipment
A muse (NONSELF AWARE) AI
Light Vacsuit
A 20,000c account for in-jump currency
Monster Raging Goblin Cock News Network (MRGCNN) Subscription free
Inexhaustible QE Comm Link -100
Petal of Petals -200
Morph storage -400
Computronium -700


Drawbacks
Wrath of the TITANs -400
Black Mark Anarchists -200
Black mark Scum 0


I am so freaking confused as to what I am going to do here but I have so many new goodies, Do morphs become altforms after the jump? if not thats ok because I can still do a lot of cool stuff with them.

The plan so far is to try and build a massive space hab using my own tech from other settings as well as tech from here to give it the best defenses I and all the AI I have can imagine.

>>52641939
Fillianore is interesting because it seems like she was super popular before he sacrificed her, judging by all the grass-related items scattered around.

Then later Gwyn is all like WHAT? FILLIANORE? WHO'S THAT? NOPE, NEVER HEARD OF HER. And erases her from history.

>>52641850
>>52641870
>>52641882
>>52641911

Seems to be the popular idea. I'll get to work sorting out the notables

>>52641895
I don't like Fate nor plan to visit it at all so...does that count as a Yes?

>>52641983
So? Not like the witch could teach anyone Flame Sorcery considering it broke.

>>52642007
>And erases her from history.
...I'm sensing a pattern here.

>>52641986
The world might start converging on you and time might get all convoluted.

>>52642022
I thought you were making the argument the other lords directly gave humans stuff when the Witch explicitly didn't.

>>52641955
>Three are derived from a lord soul and one is just souls in general
Will they stop working if the Lord Souls disappear?

>>52642036
That Gwyn, despite ostensibly doing everything he did for his children and their people, abused them just as much as he did everyone else in his efforts to preserve his legacy?

>>52642054
No, none of the magics would quit working if the Lord Souls disappeared. Sorcery is derived from your personal soul's power. Miracles stem from belief in what they do. Pyromancy is powered by your personal Pyromancy Flame. No idea what Hexes are all about but those are probably fine too.

>>52642060
>Nameless King
Exiled and erased from history.
>Gwynevere
Nothing, she was fine. Until many cycles later.
>Gwyndolin
Erased from history, raised as a woman in secret because he thought it'd be embarrassing to have a moon-themed boy.
>Fillianore
Used as a seal in his plan to betray his allies because he was afraid of them. Erased from history.

And if either Priscilla or Yorshka is his, which we don't know, then you can add tossing them somewhere secret, never acknowledging them, and not even raising them to the list.

>>52642039
I'm making the argument that Nito seemed to want the least to do with them.

Nasuverse stuff isn't that weak, it's just got a lot of problems that prevent it from being useful, but it really does have a lot of potent shit. It's magecraft that's fucking weak, and that's basically because it's a manufactured magic system that was created on top of shitty foundation and it's been around since Soloman.
It's fucking old. The metaphysics that support it aren't stable or sensible, you could probably build a better magic system in the same setting using all the same parts and nothing else, if you only just took the time to figure out how shit actually fucking works in that universe.

>>52641895
Eh it's kind of expensive so I tend to avoid it, there are a lot of good options in that jump that I would hate to miss.

>>52642121
>all the same parts
A demon?

>>52642113
We don't exactly know what the residents of Izalith were before they were demons, but otherwise you're probably right if that's your argument. Nito didn't want much to do with anything besides going the fuck to sleep/dying and helping everything else in existence do the same.

>>52642121
Honestly, I just don't like the metaphysics of fucking with sapient planets' Grand Reality Marbles.

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>>52642076
Pyromancy is theorized, note only theorized, to be the part of the First Flame that Gwyn long ago bonded to the Dark Soul being used by Humans in their own way. Laurentius says that Pyromancy is natural and involves growing closer to nature. Interesting data to note with a touch of salt.

>>52642121
Nasuverse doesn't have real metaphysics though, it's just planetary reality marbles all the way Down. May be reverse engineer the Moon cell or something?

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>>52641976
The Second actually draws on a universe full of prana for part of that trick, actually. And in Heaven's Feel the jeweled sword he made later in life can blow apart Sakura's shadow giants even though she'd eaten most of the Servants at that point, and turned herself into a perpetual magic machine.

But in a sense...yeah, actually. It's like the difference between being super strong, and building a catapault. You have to really stretch their stated function to get on Zelretch's level.

Agreed on the time travel, though. Damn wizards, just time slice like a sane person.

>>52641986
Time-space constipation of some kind probably happened, but don't worry-even the Lords, who actually burned in the Kiln, were able to try very hard to get away from being set on fire again until the Ashen One dragged their asses back. The Flame isn't as proactive as some other cosmic forces out there, so-you probably just got a super mode where you start flaming, and Unkindled might mistake you for a Lord of Cinder and try to take your soul.

Also you might developing horse-like features, and the horse might start developing you-like features! There's a covenant formed from the sharing of a wolf's blood among undead hunters, and they became a gestalt Lord of Cinder

>>52642060
Gwyn does seem to be the Tywin Lannister of lightning deities, yes

>>52642121
This.

I was really hyped for fusing the First, the Third and HSDW together because I thought that neatly complimented their strengths and shored up their weaknesses.

The First gets to "overcharge" its' concepts with magical energy and can be enacted much faster

The Third finds it easier to gather magical energy, and can channel it into more versatile functions

And HSDW puts a lot more structure into offensive spellcraft or artifacts, while making it easier to set up temples and such

>>52642142
Strictly speaking Goetia's the foundation of human Magecraft, not Magic.

>>52641987
Read the "End" part of the jump, it explains that purchased morphs become altforms (which can still be upgraded) and your purchased augmentations get copied to your "normal" form.

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>>52641895
I don't take them unless it's a time travel focused chain. The rest of them just aren't my Cup of Tea.

Speaking of Fate, why is there a Prototype drawback in the Stay/Night revamp, and how dangerous is it compared to the "vanilla"(?) jump?

>>52642302
I assume Prototype Drawback is there because Prototype is basically just the original plan for Stay Night.

Would cloned flesh count as your flesh for the purposes of Omega Self-Molecular Manipulation?

>>52642302
It's there as a placeholder for the Prototype jump eventually being made. Once I get that out, I'll remove the drawback from SN because there'll be no need.

>>52642302
Not by much. Illya's equivalent is freakin' omnipotent and wanted to break reality by summoning a beast to make it so that Camlann basically ended well for Arthur, but see Arthur is always destined to lose, to the point to where that it's apparantly damn important that he always loses in the prototype universe, and she did this because she loved him so much, if that helps.

There aren't really any omnipotent characters there, regardless. Although Gilgamesh is an active player in that war.

Does Most Powerful, Most Beautiful from Akame ga Kill work negatively? Like, if I become less powerful, will it decrease my beauty below a base or vice-versa?

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>>52642424
Stupid question time.

Val, the "Return of the Kings" Drawback in Fate/Zero basically derails the entire plot, right?

>>52642302
Gil's equivalent to Ea is a kill sat that can flood the entire Earth, and Arthur's Excalibur is even stronger then that. Also, the main villain's servant is the Anti-Christ.

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Rough, but jumpable wip.

Hamtaro is here.

Please do not use the Love or Hate Meter to make drugs out of concentrated love/hate in front of the hamhams, please

>>52642513
Oh yeah, total derailment

>>52642550
>Spoiler

Whelp back to the drawing board.

>>52642550
Jumper does as he pleases!

>>52642550
>that angel background
Aw, that's cute.

>>52642559
Awesome. It was either that or I was going to have to kill a lot of people. I've never seen so many people I could accurate describe as dumpster people crammed into one anime.

>>52642550
>How Are They Gonna Make It In The Outside World
>But it doesn’t de1tract from your authority.

>>52642550
...What is this.

>>52642679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CBzd8KrKLo

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>>52642679
It's a Hamtaro jump!

>>52642640
shit, thanks for catching that

>>52642629
I had to include the angel background, hamham heartbreak is a cute game

>>52642571
I said "in front of the hamhams", doing it behind their backs is ok

>>52642624
NO!!!!

>>52641722
It doesn't, it brings about an age of humanity. Which is implied by stuff to be a permanent end to the cycle, and full of humans being greedyguts forever

>>52642559
Hey Val, could you answer this >>52641678?

>>52642706
I must now import DOOM as a Hamham, nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.

>>52642687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKzZ6ifUCYk

>>52642738
Doom guy would probably be pretty happy with that.

>>52642727
It counts as killing the Edo Tensei zombie version of the real thing.

>>52642738
I'm thinking of two possible DOOMs when you say that, and I am delighted by the possibility of both of them in Hamtaro.

I made the jump because I was super interested to see what jumpers would do with the setting.

>>52642813
Will there be an abridged series drawback?

>>52642760
Why would anyone make an abridged series for Hamsters?

>>52642760
>>52642829
There's a second part too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldd7Bz5N0OM

>>52642679
It's Hamtaro time! Scritch scritch scritch scritch woo!

>>52642828
Sure! I'll add one right away.

Although you can't use it to gain dark powers, sorry.

>>52642781
So, I get to summon their Edo Tensei zombies? I'm fine with that.

First chance I get, I'm getting Edo Madara and Hashirama summoned.

>>52642550
>No drawback where there's a serial put-hamsters-in-the-microwave-er on the loose

>>52642687
I remember playing the GBA game ages ago. ...Wish I had that thing now.

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What jumps have perks or items that give you mooks? I want to be able to rapidly gain an army of minions as soon as possible when I don't have the resources to build a robot army.

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>>52642919
God of War, Spice and Wolf, FLCL, Kirby, and Kerbals (admittedly not a fighting force, but hey, mooks are mooks). I'm sure there's more, but those are the ones I know off the top of my head.

>>52642919
Fire Emblem Heroes, General Of The Empire Capstone. Can make a huge army of mooks appear with like no cost.

>>52642946
>>52642952
Thanks.

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>>52640253
No, but that's probably because of conversations that go something like this:

"Why isn't this guy paying taxes?"
"Because he's a wizard."
"What?"
"You have TS clearance, and now you need to know."
"What?"
"Last time we demanded he pay taxes, he turned the Washington Monument into gold."
"What."
"Repainting that overnight was a pain in the ass."

>>52642878
Oh, is the angel origin a hamster angel or a human angel?

>>52643050
Forgot to elaborate in that, but it's a hamster angel!

Don't worry, Owners will be able to purchase a hamster alt form for 100 CP. Can't leave them out of the fun!

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>>52641976
>that's just because he's awesome

I agree with you there anon.

How do you reconcile giant companies that follow you between jumps with your background, especially if you start the jump as a kid? Do you just assume you had several rich eccentric uncles who all died and left your their corporations in their wills?

>>52643150
I spontaneously generate an archipelago on my arrival into a world, so they're all based out of there.

You'd be surprised how little that affects any non-world domination plots. People are in awe for maybe 3 months.

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>>52642550
>Always Sleeping
>You’re taking a nap, and people plus reality itself will respect that. Nobody will bother you out of a nap, ever.

And as the Jumper made their decision, that was when Jump-chan realised she had made a mistake.

>>52643209
>Sleepwalking jumper suddenly has a much more interesting life
But yeah, that's probably a bit extreme. Able to sleep through anything and people not getting mad at you for excessive sleeping is plenty, being unkillable goes a bit too far, I think.

>>52643209
P.S. Squee!

Is there anything that eliminates the "delay" inherent to certain senses? Perceiving something "instantly"? Like being able to see before light hits your eyes, or hear before sound reaches you?

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>>52643257
Yeah, I'll take out the "being unkillable thing." It was to reflect Snoozer's quirk that he was always sleeping and somehow nothing ever harmed him while he was sleeping, so maybe I'll make it unlikely so that you'll be killed but there's a chance you will be killed.

>>52643278
Maybe make it so somebody intentionally trying to kill you ignores the perk, but keep it as is for everything else?

>>52643278
What if you block accidents, but leave malicious intent? That way you can sleep through a hurricane fine and dandy but don't magically block assassins somehow.

>>52643378
>>52643362
That sounds good, yeah!

>>52643278
>Always Excited For An Adventure (100 CP, Free Hamham)
You’ll always be up for some adventure or enjoying the happy times! The passage of time won’t dull you. Heck, you can run into adventure if you start searching for it. Your zeal for life will make you always skitter places quickly, too. Sneaking away to accomplish

And I just caught a sentence drop.

>Come To The Clubhouse! (200 CP, Discount Hamham)
If you invite people to hang out with you, you have a nice way with words that hanging out with you will be a very fun or worthwhile endeavor. Heck, during these outings with people you might get to know them a little better. You’ll befriend them quickly

Might be a drop, might be a lack of period.

>>52643402
And another lack of period at the end of Animal Care Expert.
Hamham dictionary may have been cut off.
Love/Hate Meter is also missing final punctuation at the end.
France? Never heard of that! in drawbacks also has the last sentence cut off.
Spat Attack is missing last punctuation.

So yeah, sorry if this is getting on your nerves. This is build number 147 for me, so I'll post it when that rolls around.

>>52642919
Jumps with powers and skills that can be granted or taught

https://pastebin.com/wVeETdy2

>>52643455
>>52643402
No no, tis' fine. I appreciate all this.

>>52642550
>Where Did That Spat Toodle Off To?
>But the area will be big enough where you could find the person if you take the time to investigate in only a singular day.

Is the size of this area scaled to your power (so whether mundane hamster or OMGOPPlznerf hamster, it will still take you a day) or to that of the Angel in Hamtaro?

>>52643486
Cool, cause the companion import option has also cut off for some reason.

>>52642550
>Digging Shovel
>you might even fight rare treasures
find?

>>52642781
Val, you still here? It says no Demi-Servants, but can Personality Clash be taken by Psuedo-Servants?

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>>52643567
Hmm...I'm gonna go with "will always take you a day to find them" regardless. We don't know how powerful of an angel Harmony was.

>>52643589
Text should read

>If one of you is an owner or multiple owners, you may choose to have them own any Field Hamsters or Hamhams.

>>52643632
No, should note that. There's drawbacks specifically for Demi/Pseudo Servants elsewhere, and Personality CLash is based on having a Servant or Master counterpart. Since both Demi and Pseudo Servants are just one being, neither can take it.

Thanks for pointing that out.

>>52643101
... Isn't that dude a vampire in a setting where vampires are both weak to sunlight and unable to cross water? How the fuck is he surfing?

>>52643670
No problem.

For Troublesome Host, when it says they gain your powers, does that include willpower perks, anti-possession defenses, and others that would prevent you from regaining control?

>>52641914
I've never been clear on how he did that, exactly. I mean, he dropped a moon on it somehow, right? What does his Planeswalking have to do with ripping a moon out of the sky?

>>52641925
>But here's the thing.
>Humans couldn't die without the Dark Sign.
>Gwyn branded them with the Dark Sign.
>So it was Gwyn that gave them death, not Nito.
Wait Wait Wait. So all this time, people thought that the Darksign was making people immortal and that it was showing up because of the Flame dying, but in reality the Darksign actually made people mortal and linking the Flame didn't get rid of it, it actually made it stronger?

>>52643780
He overlapped himself with a bunch of empty parallel universes, functionally increasing the ambient mana available to him by a massive amount. Then he channeled that power into blasting the moon back.

>>52643780
Other way around. The guy he was fighting tried to pull a colony drop, and Zelretch responded by using the power from multiple different universes to hurl it right back at him.

>>52643760
Anything that would prevent them gaining control would already be disabled because the drawback would bypass them so that they could get control from you in the first place, so in fairness, they won't have that stuff either.

>>52643876
Okay, but what about the stuff that would help you resist them gaining control? Would they then have all of that on top of the willpower that's already strong enough to resist you, effectively making it completely impossible to regain control?

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How freaked out would the denizens of Soul Eater be if I would show up with an Undertale Human Soul? Considering the Strong Soul in jump is worth 99 as is noted to be special what would the whole Human Soul = 10,000 regular/monster souls be at?

Would Medusa, or another witch, try to abduct and dissect me?

>>52643942
No, they wouldn't have that. They've already got enough to be a challenge, there's no need to add more.

>>52642863
Is that how it ends?

>>52643955
Maybe monster souls are just worth fuck all?

>>52643990
This is the canonical answer. They can't even survive after the death of the body, which is like 80% of the purpose of a soul.

>>52643955
Not really. It's not that human souls are especially strong, it's that monster souls are especially weak. Being a human in Undertale does give you a stronger than normal soul, but I don't think it would be as strong as Strong Soul.

>>52643955
I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be less a testament to the strength of human souls and more a mark of how outmatched the monsters are by comparison.

In the Generic Children's Telelvision Jump does the Friendly Neighborhood Companions perk allow me to give them a background or do they get none?

What's the best way to 'redeem' a literal goddess of evil?

133. Kerbal Space Program
Origin: Drop-In, Theme: N/A
Perks: This Is Actually Rocket Science, Speak English Dammit!, Some Old Friends, Espirit de Kerbal, Do What I Tell You, Switch To Over View, Jumper On Your Shoulder
Tech Packs: B9 Aerospace and KW Rocketry, KSP Interstellar, Kerbal Attachment System, Orbit Portal Technology Space Plane Parts, Umbra Space Industries Technology Paradigm, Thunder Aerospace Corporations Life Support Systems, Magic Smoke Industries Infernal Robotics, Kerbal Planetary Base Systems, Hooligan Labs Aerostat Development
Items: Emblems, Billy Kobbs Junkyard, Vehicle Assembly Building and Launchpad, Astronaut Complex

I have no idea what I'm doing, but that's okay. This isn't about me, this is about the Kerbals. They're going to space and I'm helping to organize everything. And they're adorable. I don't really have to do much because of my companions, though.

Jessica and Sunday are keeping track of everything and handling a lot of the math, with Sunday also putting in a lot of effort to design on-board computers. Bunta is an expert on fuel production and building things that can handle an explosion. Zeke is the guy who can calculate the perfect launch. The actual engines and vehicle designs are handled by Suke and Friday, who makes sure we see space plane designs as well. The Kerbals do the actual hard work, though. I'm happy to be just an administrator this jump. They're happy to have good day jobs.

This was nice.

>>52643990
>>52644015
>>52644035
Comes with being just light and fluffy emotions, I suppose. Monsters are literally kindness, hope, joy, etc. wrapped in a body of magic.

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>>52643955
We don't really know how strong or weak Undertale SOULs are except in relation to each other. A Human SOUL is roughly equivalent to the entire Underground's population of Monster SOULs, but we don't know how either of those relate to normal souls other than "probably stronger" and "probably weaker". So you prettymuch have to fanwank it.

> Would Medusa, or another witch, try to abduct and dissect me?
Oh hell yeah. Absolutely. You have a unique soul that's found in no other creature in the entire setting. That's like asking if the Umbrella Corp would be interested in studying Jumper DNA. To just say yes is a gross understatement. The real answer is more like "prepare your anus".

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>>52644058

>>52644058
A Heart to Call my Own(Kingdom Hearts)
Diplomancer(Megaman Battle Network)
Gift of the Shovel Knight(Shovel Knight)
Should allow you to do this relatively easily.

>>52644015
>>52644035
...Don't like 7 humans souls make someone into a god with the ability to instigate a world-wide time loop?

>>52643979
Alright, thanks.

>>52644111
Maybe a local time loop. We're never shown the outside world. For all we know the time looping only affected the few miles of underground where the monsters lived. That was linked to Determination anyways, not the power of the SOUL.

>>52644035
I don't know about that. After all, seven human SOULs can allow one to gain godlike power. They must be pretty fucking strong. That being said...

>>52643955
While the exact relative strength of a human SOUL is unknown, your soul being unique would definitely attract attention. If you take the entire human perk tree, thus granting you resistance to mind control and corruption with SAVE the World, you'll get even more attention, as people will assume your soul is naturally resistant to Madness. That will get recruitment offers from Shibusen real quick (ESPECIALLY if you also haven an Anti-Demon Wavelength from that one perk) and "I want to experiment on them!" feelings in Medusa and Stein, plus Arachne will want to recruit you.

>>52644131
The Asriel fight states that the whole world is ending, and the other human SOULs had virtues besides DETERMINATION. They're pretty freaking powerful.

>>52644085
>Diplomancer(Megaman Battle Network)
If I find a long enough extension drawback, can I go to starforce? I want AI armor.

A Heart to Call my Own effect the undertale jump?
It basically gives any thing you become a friend with a 'heart'/soul.
Would this give a monster a SOUL on par or better than a human SOUL?
>inb4 'fanwank it'

>>52643795
Yes. Notice how the Dark Sign is a ring of fire around darkness? That's representative of magic tied to the flame sealing away the Dark Soul inside that person.

>>52644163
No, it just grants soulless/heartless beings a soul/heart. At most, it would grant monsters a second soul, and considering that it takes 10,000 monster souls to equal one human soul...

>>52644177
How would it affect Flowey?

>>52644153
Asriel is an overdramatic little shit at the time. I highly doubt the entire world is ending.

>>52644177
But aren't Kingdom Hearts hearts/souls extremely different from Undertale SOULs given that KH Hearts/Souls grow stronger with friendships and bonds not being locked at a power level like UT Hearts/Souls.
Considering how monsters are generally friendly it's likely they'd gain a powerful SOUL/Heart.

>>52644191
It would grant him a soul.

>>52644192
It's the info box, not Asriel, stating this. I mean, if you don't want to accept it, personally, that's fine, but that seems to be a pretty good indicator that it's the world ending.

>>52644192
He may have also meant the world as in the game world, due to the meta aspects of the game. In one of the endings he literally crashes the game and steals your save spots, doesn't he?

>>52644213
>It's the info box, not Asriel, stating this. I mean, if you don't want to accept it, personally, that's fine, but that seems to be a pretty good indicator that it's the world ending.
The info box is an in-character thing, though. It's not an omniscient narrator. I'm pretty sure it can lie to you.

>>52644213
I don't happen to agree. I think the power level of Undertale is nowhere near the world ending crisis scale of things.

>>52644214
Yes, yes he does. The Neutral Ending.

>>52643979

Can you post the jump you made with the mechs please and also, Do modifications made to the moon base, Landing crafts with the mechs and fighters and land castle persist between jumps?

>>52644203
Sure, but again, the perk is for granting souls to beings without souls, and besides that, you still have a difference of 10,000 to 1. Unless the soul suddenly becomes 10,000 times stronger, it's not going to equal a human soul. Just because it's a different kind of soul doesn't mean it's not a soul. It's like if you had a perk that gives someone eyes if they didn't have any, and tried to use it on someone with eyes. Sure, they might be a different kind of eyes compared to the eyes from the jump you got the perk from, but they're still eyes.

>>52644238
Anon you literally end the world with a knife swing in an ending.
Human souls are bullshit.

>>52644035
You base this on nothing.

>>52644234
Why would it, though? What's the point? It's the only information we have on what's going on, why purposely make it more dramatic then it actually is? It doesn't make sense from a story telling point of view, since we've been told up to this point that getting seven human SOULs grants you godlike power. It's the final boss, who has the equivalent of seven human SOULs. There'd be no point in that.

>>52644238
And you're entitled to your opinion. However, the rest of the statements in-game, as well as the Genocide ending, seem to contradict this.

>>52644249
But Anon Kingdom Hearts souls don't really differ in power level between species.
I assume a KH Heart/SOUL would be on par with a random human kid's SOUL from Undertale unless Human SOULs in Undertale are more powerful than KH Hearts/SOULs which has not been proven.

>>52644277
Anon, as has been discussed, seven human SOULs can grant one godlike power. That's a pretty clear indication that they're stronger.

>>52644254
Anon, Chara just kills you unless you reset everything. That's why the screen is covered in 9s and flashes red with the weapon noise.

>>52643048
>Jumper files taxes
>Does it so well, the Government actually owes Jumper nearly 50% of the countrie's GDP per year.
>Gets paid by the Government
>Government sends Jumper their taxes instead of other way around.

>>52644305
That's bullshit because you can turn the game back on and there's just nothing but you and him until you sell your soul.
You can't be dead otherwise you'd just revert to the last save.

>>52644315
>owes Jumper nearly 50% of their GDP per year
...wouldn't that cause the collapse of the government/nation?

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Jumpers! Who is the most dangerous/powerful opponent you've fought so far in your chain?

>>52644292
>godlike power
Honestly Asriel's feats at most were fancy magic attacks and a giant goat lazer.
He might have been powerful but he wasn't universe creator-tier power levels.
Average UT Soul to my knowledge alone can just break a magical barrier.
They might have had innate determination but a soulless being like Flowey was able to have more than them as their deaths show.
KH Souls have bullshit feats like Sora being able to effectively kill himself, exist as a shadow heartless then his heartless take on his original form via the pure power of his soul.
A UT Soul can't even grant someone their original form alone as is shown when Flowey needs 7 of them to revert back to his Asriel form.

>>52644357
Who's stronger, Kishin or D-Reaper? I guess D-Reaper was weaker due to some prep-work on my part, but he was also a world ender. Either way I was screaming inside for every conflict and was heavily dependent on the actual protagonists.

>>52644357
The Sovereign of Sorrow, she's an actual universe ender.

>>52644357
The anthropomorphic manifestation of prudishness.

>>52644333
Just means they'll start the process of handing over ownership of the country to you. The Jumper become Monarch Jumper, essentially owning everything. Sorta like Monarchs of England owned everything from sea to seas in England during the Tudors era.

>>52644368
Anon, that's because Asriel doesn't want to kill you. He's playing with you. He wants to play with you forever. That's the point. Not only that, but again, it's stated in the game that the whole world is ending. Hell, with six SOULs Flowey can casually mess with time, and it's stated during the fight with Asriel (by Asriel, admittedly) that he's going to be erasing the entire timeline. And while that might have been drama, most likely it wasn't, because from a storytelling point of view he's our only source of information.

Also, that barrier was set up by human SOULs, and was able to trap an entire race underground. Furthermore, Flowey is a unique case, as his Determination exceeded that of most of the humans due to a number of factors, with the exception of Frisk, who's virtue is Determination.

>>52644357
Yoshikage Kira, technically. Depends if you count transmuting his sandwich to chlorine trifluoride from across the street as fighting. Otherwise I've been fairly pacifistic.

>>52644368
>>52644413
whose*

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>>52644357
Probably Bill in Gravity Falls. Who I lost against so hard I ended up with cotton candy in my lungs and a few dimensions over. Second place would have to go to the various Greeed in Kamen Rider, if only because my own hubris turned the whole affair into four years of solid fighting. Alucard from Hellsing gets third place. He should probably be higher, but we never fought all that seriously.

I'm still fairly early in my chain and I've stuck, mostly, to lower powered stuff. Though the next 11 Jumps are going to be all kinds of violent. Second up is Fate/Zero and the Tournament of Kings. So that should kick things up a notch.

>>52644413
>Anon, that's because Asriel doesn't want to kill you. He's playing with you. He wants to play with you forever. That's the point.
No feats still mean no feats even if it's for story reasons. We have no reason to believe he's godlevel.
>Not only that, but again, it's stated in the game that the whole world is ending.
Factually impossible due to the barrier still being up when this happens, although the underground could be collapsing.
>Hell, with six SOULs Flowey can casually mess with time, and it's stated during the fight with Asriel (by Asriel, admittedly) that he's going to be erasing the entire timeline.
Time within a pocket dimension and again this is because of the DETERMINATION within the SOULs and not the SOULs themselves.
>Also, that barrier was set up by human SOULs, and was able to trap an entire race underground. >Furthermore, Flowey is a unique case, as his Determination exceeded that of most of the humans due to a number of factors, with the exception of Frisk, who's virtue is Determination.
While I agree a virtue determination SOUL might be stronger than a KH SOUL due to the determination factor however the SOULs themselves aren't that great.
Also I hardly doubt Frisk was the most determined human in all of the world, probably just the pocket dimension known as the Underground.

>>52642019
How goes Breath of the Wild?

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>>52644357
I was effortlessly defeated and devoured by Azathoth. After revival I avoided him and the rest of the Outer Gods in any form for the rest of my chain.

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>>52644357
The Sovereign of Sorrow, though I had the luxury of fighting her in a weakened form. I couldn't quite rely on the protagonist to fix things for me. After all, I was the -real- Gamemaster. Deus from Asura's Wrath was especially fucking stubborn and hard to put down, even after Asura joined the fight. Didn't stick around for the Creator battle.

As for people I just fought, not going straight to the death...I'd say both incarnations of Sun Wukong have consistently kicked this cat in the ass. I promised Goku a proper rematch when we meet again.

>>52644470
>Probably Bill in Gravity Falls. Who I lost against so hard I ended up with cotton candy in my lungs and a few dimensions over.
>not buying a journal and keeping said journal out of anyone's hands so they can't open the dimension portal so weirdmageddon can't happen

>>52644474
Anon, it's stated IN-SERIES that world is ending. Not the Underground, THE WORLD. Asriel has the equivalent of seven human souls, he's perfectly capable of accessing the outside world. Remember, you only need one human soul and a monster soul to cross through. Asriel has six human SOULs, and enough monster souls to equal the seventh. Also, that's still pretty powerful, able to reset time within the Underground. He's also able to do it during a fight, something Frisk can't do. You have to have a SAVE point and be outside of a fight. Clearly, the extra souls have given Flowey the power to do more with the RESET ability. And on what evidence do you base the other SOULs being not that great on? Together, they still granted Flowey enough power to obliterate the Underground, or at least bring it under his total control.

So talking about the Nasuverse 5 magics, which are magic because they break the rules, has anyone used some OCP power and become known as the Magician of the 6th magic, either intentionally or when mages saw some impossible thing you did?
Like if you used Infinity, especially the munchkiny stuff like casting a spell that casting a spell that replenishes someone's prana reserve (like 10 prana over a second for a 11 prana cost) to create magic out your ass and prove its 'True' magic chops. Or cast a simple gradation air spell that pulls off a pretty good imitation of the 1st magic by sticking around forever.

Stuff like Aura awakening, Magicka's 'it just works' resurrection, or Hero BBC's demon lord ability to create living being from your essence all look like you touched Heaven's Feel.

Wild Magic from Obsidian Towers looks like you created a mystery the opposite of conventional magecraft, where it gets stronger the more users there are.

You could really do some quality trolling by going "and here are the 7th, 8th, & 9th magics to go with the 6th," like you walked out of the age of the gods or something.

>>52644569
Honestly, all of those would either make people think you were using an existing Magic, using a half formed version of an existing one or just using a different system of casting entirely instead of a Magic.

>>52644515
How did you do that without the universe ceasing to exist entirely?
Unless I'm remembering wrong the whole world is just his dream.

>>52644586
He's saying that he got killed by Azathoth, not that he killed Azathoth. He's avoiding him by staying away from Azathoth's domain in the center of everything.

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>>52644539
Look, I got cocky and thought my Out of Context knowledge would let me bypass literally the entire story so I could spend ten years hanging out with Dipper and Mable and solving weird mysteries. I didn't think I needed the Journals because I had that sealing circle memorized. No, seriously, my brain is really wonky with what it decides to remember.

So I summoned up Bill and used my new powers at lying to trick everyone necessary into place to seal him up for good. Except, it wasn't for good at all. It wasn't until it was too late that Dipper and I realized the sealing spell was just a hot fix and not a permanent one.

Thus the lungs filled with cotton candy and tossed across dimensions.

Besides, Ford needed to be rescued. I didn't want to mess that up.

>>52644609
If Azathoth is awake enough to fight he's not dreaming anymore.
That's what I'm getting at. Unless it was one of those getting killed by proximity things, but it would be hard to get eaten in that case.

>>52644622
Ah, I getcha. But no, Azathoth just does that by existing. He dreams up and eats existence at random. Most likely, the poor bastard just got exposed to Azathoth, and the Blind Idiot God ate him, completely unaware he even existed.

>>52644357
Writer Chain: Gilgamesh. My jumper isn't very stronk in that and he got this close to killing them because Cu was off doing something else. Jumper couldn't summon Cu because they had already used a command seal on him already. Nylocke appeared and ran him over in a car, (The car you buy in the jump which can run over Heroic Spirits) which didn't kill him. But by the time he got up, Nylocke had already grabbed me and rode off.

Nylocke! Master of Running Over Heroic Spirits Threatening His Friends!

Main Chain: A bunch of protag-like kids who nearly killed me in the Phantasia jump

>>52644556
>Anon, it's stated IN-SERIES that world is ending. Not the Underground, THE WORLD. Asriel has the equivalent of seven human souls, he's perfectly capable of accessing the outside world. Remember, you only need one human soul and a monster soul to cross through.
Two factually impossible things right there friendo.
He's inside the underground when doing that attack, even if he can cross through the barrier his attacks presumably cannot.
A monster soul is not needed as Frisk shows in the neutral ending.
>Asriel has six human SOULs, and enough monster souls to equal the seventh. Also, that's still pretty powerful, able to reset time within the Underground. He's also able to do it during a fight, something Frisk can't do. You have to have a SAVE point and be outside of a fight. Clearly, the extra souls have given Flowey the power to do more with the RESET ability.
It's not the souls in and of themselves but the DETERMINATION in them, I agree that the extra determination definitely helped him.
>And on what evidence do you base the other SOULs being not that great on?
If there isn't evidence something can do something it most likely can't do that.
So far the feats aren't that impressive of a single human soul or multiple.
Hell a KH Heart can create similar magic attacks to Seven Human SOULs as the Limit Break that Sora and Riku can do show.
Also examples of a KH Soul being stronger are Sora being able to transform into his original form as just a heart with pure heart/soul power while Asriel needed seven SOULs to do the same thing.

>>52644569
>not just using OCP dimensional shunting and a camera to go take pictures of the Root and get yourself a brand new 6th magic
Why fake it? It's not like the security guards can stop you.

>>52644614
Didn't Journal 3 state that Ford was about to destroy Bill right before he was brought back through the portal? If your jumper just waited after stealing a journal all would have been well.

>>52644643
...why the fuck wouldn't it be able to cross the barrier. Seriously, I'm genuinely curious, why wouldn't his attacks be able to cross the barrier. Also, the Neutral Ending doesn't show Frisk outside of the Underground. We're not sure WHERE Frisk is. That being said, a monster SOUL is required. This is stated in-game. Multiple times.

Look, the other SOULs don't HAVE Determination, not like Frisk does. They'd have very little to contribute. It's a matter of the extra SOULs providing him extra power.

Okay, look. You have this thing with feats, and I get that, feats are important, but I think you're really missing the point here. This is an RPG. A classic RPG, in the style of Earthbound. They CAN'T show the really impressive feats. It's the same thing with Giygas, from Earthbound. You're never shown any evidence that he's this cosmic destroyer, but you believe it, because that's what the game tells you. Same thing here.

Also, no, they can't. While Riku and Sora have been able to show off impressive feats, not of them really compare to genuine reality warping and resetting time. As for the Sora thing, Asriel didn't just regain his real form, he gained two extra forms on top of that. Plus, there's also a matter of it being different metaphysics involved.

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>>52644679
What? No. That's not a thing at all. Ford was just wandering the multiverse before the portal locked onto him and hauled him back. He does mention that the Sealing Circle is supposed to be a permanent fix during Wierdmaggedon,
but it wasn't when I tried to use it. I suspect my Coordinator was being a douche because I wasn't exciting enough.

>>52644744
It's not? I seem remember something about him arriving in a another universe where everything went perfectly for that Ford and the two made some gun that could destroy Bill. But Stan did his portal shenanigans before he could use it on Bill.

I'm starting to think i'm remembering some sort of fanfiction.

>>52644798
That might have been the gun he tried to use in Weirdmageddon, though the backstory itself sounds like fanfiction, and he only used it in...well, Weirdmageddon.

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>>52644798
Unless that was in a short I've somehow manage to miss, I'm pretty certain you're remembering fanfiction. They didn't go into the multiverse that much in the show other than to say that it exists and portions of it are not very nice places.

>>52644727
>...why the fuck wouldn't it be able to cross the barrier. Seriously, I'm genuinely curious, why wouldn't his attacks be able to cross the barrier.
But there's nothing to suggest his attacks can cross the barrier so logically they can't.
>Also, the Neutral Ending doesn't show Frisk outside of the Underground. We're not sure WHERE Frisk is. That being said, a monster SOUL is required. This is stated in-game. Multiple times.
I'll give you that because you just confirmed a Human SOUL requires a monster SOUL to do something which helps my argument.
>Look, the other SOULs don't HAVE Determination, not like Frisk does. They'd have very little to contribute. It's a matter of the extra SOULs providing him extra power.
Again this is completely not how it works
SAVE/LOAD/RESET are done by DETERMINATION as is shown when Flowey was stronger than presumably five human SOULs with injected Determination from presumably Chara's Virtue Determination Soul.
>Okay, look. You have this thing with feats, and I get that, feats are important, but I think you're really missing the point here. This is an RPG. A classic RPG, in the style of Earthbound. They CAN'T show the really impressive feats. It's the same thing with Giygas, from Earthbound. You're never shown any evidence that he's this cosmic destroyer, but you believe it, because that's what the game tells you. Same thing here.
Earthbound's narration didn't outright contradict pre established things.
It's pre established narration that a human and monster soul can cross the Underground but nothing says they can attack through it.

>>52644569
>Hero BBC
...Curved swords?

>>52644727
>Also, no, they can't. While Riku and Sora have been able to show off impressive feats, not of them really compare to genuine reality warping and resetting time.
Reality Warping I'll give you that but there's nothing to suggest Asriel reality warped, all it looked like he did was put on a lightshow in a dark room.
Time travel Sora and Riku have actually done in Dream Drop Distance with the help of Yen Sid's magic which is presumably powered by the Heart.
>. As for the Sora thing, Asriel didn't just regain his real form, he gained two extra forms on top of that. Plus, there's also a matter of it being different metaphysics involved.
That may be true but Sora's Soul/Heart has also granted him other forms as well known as Drive Forms.
Also Asriel couldn't do with one, two, three, four, five, or six SOULs what Sora could do with his Heart.

So if I have mastery of the Second Magic, how are Planeswalkers going to react to me being able to casually shove anything or anyone I want from one Plane to another? As I understand it, it's basically impossible for anything buy Planeswalkers to move between Planes normally.

>>52644812
Believe he's talking about the book

>>52644727
Also may I mention KH Souls/Hearts are actually invinicible.
When they 'die' they are just turned into pure soul and when that 'dies' they are returned back to their true form.
If a nobody is involved it has to be killed as well though for the original person to come back into existence.

>>52644807
>>52644812
Fair enough, sorry for my brain-dead confusion.

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>>52644836
Oh, the book Journal 3. I'll admit, that's possible. I haven't been able to get my hands on it. I thought it was most monster entries. I'm also not sure why it would contain a detail like that when that should have been the first words out of Ford's mouth in the show. But hey, it happens.

>>52644848
Hey, no worries. I'm just going by what I've seen in the show.

Are there supposed to be discounts for the Vestments of Fate/Freedom/Balance? The item text mentions them, but they seem to be nowhere in the doc.

Are the black fire and ice attacks Friede uses purchasable in the DS3 jump?

>>52644813
But there IS something to suggest that! After Asriel uses his attack that he says will "purge the timeline" and assumes his final form, it is stated that the whole world is ending! That's clear evidence it's affecting the outside world!

Not really? All it proves is that it requires more then just a human SOUL to escape. The barrier was made by seven human SOULs, so it makes sense that one alone couldn't make it through.

Also, the five human SOULs weren't injected with Determination, the Determinaition was extracted from them. This is stated by Alphys in-game. Chara's soul is gone, and their consciousness went with their body, hence why they merged with Frisk when they fell. So Determination alone isn't what gave Flowey his enhanced powers.

Neither does this. There's nothing stated that they CAN'T attack through it, and there's clear evidence, as stated above, that they can.

>>52644821
What do you think those lightshows were? It's not a dark room, the light from the Barrier is shining through. Not only that, but it's clearly a sign of him changing the Underground to his will. There's also the Omega Flowey fight, where he created the minigame like attacks where you cry out to the soul, a clear sign of reality warping. Yes, and that time travel required the help of a wizard with magic capable of such a thing, not something they could do by themselves.

Sora's other forms are a product of his growth thanks to the Keyblade, not something he could do by himself. Those forms were acquired because he was able to grow stronger through battle. Chara was able to become strong enough to crash the game and destroy the world in the Genocide run.

>>52644847
While that is impressive, that just means they're more durable, not stronger. It's also, again, a part of the different metaphysics of the setting.

>>52644882
Oh no, it has a looot of stuff on the setting, the multiverse, Ford's experiences with Bill and researching everything and so on. It's a really good book.

>>52644906
Huh. Damn. Now I really regret not being able to find it. To Amazon I go. Thanks.

So in the Nasuverse, older=better, right? But does this happen at a constant gradual pace or sort of drop off with eras like a flight of stairs? Is something made 10 minutes ago minutely metaphysically better than something made now? What about 10 years? 50?

>>52644828
...how would they react to an extraordinarily powerful magician whose ability to walk between worlds also translates to doing lots of other magical things?

"Hello there, fellow Planeswalker"

>>52645048
I'm not sure if age itself has anything to do with it. It's less a matter of "everything sucks because it's new", which clearly isn't true because most of the stuff from the Age of Gods and the Heroes were pretty awesome even back when they first showed up, and less a matter of "things used to be good, but then everything got fucked up, and now the new stuff is shit compared to the old stuff". Then again, I'm don't really understand the Nasuverse that well, so I might be wrong.

>>52645084
more* a matter of, is what I meant for that second one.

>>52644905
>But there IS something to suggest that! After Asriel uses his attack that he says will "purge the timeline" and assumes his final form, it is stated that the whole world is ending! That's clear evidence it's affecting the outside world!
It could alternatively be interpretted as the pocket dimension's world known as the underground is effected by it.
>Not really? All it proves is that it requires more then just a human SOUL to escape. The barrier was made by seven human SOULs, so it makes sense that one alone couldn't make it through.
Fair enough.
>

Neither does this. There's nothing stated that they CAN'T attack through it, and there's clear evidence, as stated above, that they can.
Again can be interpreted as the pocket dimension's world known as the underground.
No evidence for it effecting the outside world.
>
What do you think those lightshows were? It's not a dark room, the light from the Barrier is shining through. Not only that, but it's clearly a sign of him changing the Underground to his will. There's also the Omega Flowey fight, where he created the minigame like attacks where you cry out to the soul, a clear sign of reality warping. Yes, and that time travel required the help of a wizard with magic capable of such a thing, not something they could do by themselves.
I haven't played Undertale in awhile but IIRC it's also dark in the battle background for Asgore so unless you're implying Boss Monster souls alone can reality warp...
Also the minigames in a battle system aren't really reality warping but more of a type of magic.

>>52644357
Bill Cypher though it wasn't much of a fight. It was more me trying everything in desperation as he taunted me until I nailed him in the face with a ton of smile dip laced with Narcotics (thank you Snowflame; also never get a reality warper high, never!) after that it was just using his impaired judgement to get him to make a really bad deal.

>>52645077
Yeah, but like they can't move other people/things between Planes, right? At least not the current ones? What will they think if someone can move whole cities between Planes?

>>52644905
>Also, the five human SOULs weren't injected with Determination, the Determinaition was extracted from them. This is stated by Alphys in-game. Chara's soul is gone, and their consciousness went with their body, hence why they merged with Frisk when they fell. So Determination alone isn't what gave Flowey his enhanced powers.
I never said the SOULs didn't have innate determination infact I said the opposite I just said the SOULs without determination are'nt that much.
Also the Determination could have only been extracted from Chara and there's no evidence SOULs without determination help in SAVE/LOAD/RESET.
>
Sora's other forms are a product of his growth thanks to the Keyblade, not something he could do by himself. Those forms were acquired because he was able to grow stronger through battle. Chara was able to become strong enough to crash the game and destroy the world in the Genocide run.

Nothing to suggest Sora's forms are byproducts of his Keyblades, in fact there's more to suggest it has to do with his heart as instead of absorbing his keyblade it grants him a second one(probably ven's) and absorbs his friends.
>
While that is impressive, that just means they're more durable, not stronger. It's also, again, a part of the different metaphysics of the setting.
Fair enough
>Metaphysics
Nice buzzword.

>>52645084
That's what I meant. Is there a constant metaphysical entropy that means something made ten minutes ago is microscopically less shitty than something made now?

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What kind of effects can DC Occult Order Magic perform? What about Chaos Magic? Magnitude's all well and good, but I'm more interested in type.

>>52645184
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3ivloe/respect_doctor_fate_dc_preflashpoint/

>>52645102
What. Seriously, what. The Underground is not the world, and was never referred to as such throughout the game. It's referring to the world. The actual world. I mean, come on man, you have to admit that's reaching.

Again, see above. You're reaching with this.

It's stated before the Asgore fight that light is shining through the barrier. While it is not shown, this is a clear indication that there is light streaming through.

No other monster has displayed that kind of ability, and it doesn't remotely fit the kind of magic they use. You're being transported inside Flowey's...TV head...thing, and forced to survive against all the previous soul's unique weapons/items.

>>52645136
Dude, it's clearly stated in-game that the Determination was extracted from the human SOULs. Chara's SOUL ceased to exist, hence why Flowey stated that Chara had stolen Frisk's SOUL in the Genocide run, and why Chara wanted your soul after the fact. Besides, do you really think Asgore would let Alphys use his adopted child's SOUL? Really? Also, there's plenty of evidence, considering the fact that their Determination was extracted and yet Flowey's RESET power was still boosted.

Fair enough, though I will point out that he was only able to gain that strength through battle, which required the Keyblade.

>buzzword
Um...no? That's a pretty key part in all of this. The worlds of Kingdom Hearts and Undertale work very differently, and are founded on different principles.

>>52645216
>reaching
Not part of this but, haven't you been using one statement the other guy pointed out wasn't a hard fact from someone's in character explanation to justify the world stuff?

>>52645233
No? It was text from the info box, not Asriel. We have to consider this accurate, as it's the only thing giving us information on the story and what's going on.

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>>52645048
>>52645147

We're talking centuries at a time, just for a ghoulish buddha hand that technically isn't even a Noble Phantasm.

Also the older=better thing doesn't happen anymore-and happens less over time. See, back at the down of time there was a higher grade of magical energy around called True Ether, the substance from which Gaia was born from 9 TYPEs apparently having an orgy. It was much more magically powerful, and let Gaia fart out things like gods and monsters and the Divine Words magic system.

However, over time the propagation of humanity caused something like global warming, except instead of greenhouse gasses people just starting understanding Mysteries so hard the really weird reality warping stuff started to fade away. Most of the surviving magical beings packed their shit and went to live in a dimension called the Reverse Side of the World that has nothing to do with any of the stories.

So it's not just older=better you have to factor when talking about some of the older Servants, but also older=around the time when the bestest magic was more readily available.

>>52644357
Um.

That's a tricky question. How do you define "dangerous", "powerful" or "fight"? If Lucifer had bothered spreading Chaos throughout the world before fighting me, I would've had a much harder time.

The Specter would've been much more deadly if I'd been in the wrong place at the wrong time, doing the wrong thing. And also not corrupted. The Exarchs have to diminish themselves to brawl in the material world. And the time Adorjan tried to cut out my heart with a screaming behemoth was more foreplay than fight.

My most overall dangerous opponents remain the Outer Gods as a collective, but an actual all-out fight with them has yet to happen.

Speaking of DC Occult, how good is the post-Spark reward offered by Synchronicity Wave Travelling? I tend to avoid luck perks, so the post-Chain benefits are pretty much the only reason I'd take it, but they mostly seems redundant compared to the Spark and whatever else you can achieve in the chain.

>>52645233
It's hardly any worse than people using historical accounts from item descriptions to build entire worlds in their heads.

>>52645216
Yeah I guess I am reaching with this I'll give you that.

Same as above.

Eh there's nothing saying that the light wasn't still shining while Frisk was in battle and the lightshow wasn't just a SOUL magic effect then.

Just because other monsters haven't used it doesn't make it not magic you also have you remember anything involving your little Red Heart-shaped SOUL icon is in SOUL world.

I'll give you that although not all the determination was extracted and it hasn't been shown that SOULs without DT increase SAVE/LOAD/RESET powers.

Actually he gained Drive Forms from the three fairies which unlocked the ability for him.

Fair enough.

>>52645207
Thanks, anon. That's very helpful. Are the Vestments of Chaos OC? Because I can only find a few tidbits on the actual Lords, rather than anything they empowered.

>>52645278
It's fine, no worries.

That's...huh. You know, that's a fair point. The lightshow might have been just Asriel's magic interacting with the light shining through the barrier or something.

I don't think you're in a SOUL world so much as it is your SOUL being removed from your body in order to attack it? Flowey seems to be showing off your SOUL to you in the tutorial, implying that it was removed from you and that you can now visually see it. I will give you the magic thing though, that's a fair point.

To be perfectly honest, the exact mechanics of the SAVE/LOAD/RESET ability is unknown. We know it requires a substantial amount of Determination, but is that alone enough? If so, why couldn't Chara reset during the village fight? According to Asriel, Chara was in control, even if he was resisting. And by that same token, how did Asriel gain the ability? When he first awoke, he wouldn't have had any DT, he would have been traumatised and without the ability to feel any emotions. Determination should have been beyond him at that point. I don't think the other SOULs, having already lost Determination, would have had enough alone to boost Flowey's RESET ability, but then again, the exact mechanics really are unknown.

Really? Huh. Must have misremembered that, I guess. My apologies.

>>52645285
I think so. Might be a good idea to look at some stuff that Mordru has done for Chaos Magic feats. Think he's the most prominent Lord of Chaos.

>>52645334
That's what I meant by SOUL World honestly.

Chara probably couldn't do it during that fight because out of the underground they were no longer the most DETERMINED human.

Asriel was brought back to life by DT, of course he'd have it when he woke up.

>>52645370
Oh, my mistake.

Hmm...that's true, but once they returned to the Underground, wouldn't they have become the most Determined being again? Remember that Asriel returned to the Underground before he died, so Chara should have been able to RESET again.

While that's true, he would have to actually use the DT. Realistically, after the trauma from being murdered and thus causing your best friend/adopted sibling's death to have been for nothing, and then waking up in a flower without the ability to feel emotions or empathy, that should have broken him. Unless the artificially added DT reset on it's own or something?

>>52645346
Alright, cool. Thanks, anon.

>>52645422
Chara probably never saved while merged with Asriel thus making it impossible to LOAD.
Even if they made a save it'd just be constant loading right before dying which wouldn't help much.

It's actually stated he discovered that ability after implied years of being broken from what I remember.

>>52645445
Hmm...that's a possibility. Unable to access the previous SAVE file due to their new nature, and having no made a new one (possibly out of arrogance?), Chara just...wasn't able to RESET. Ha, it looks like Chara's plan was foiled by the downfall of all gamers: forgetting to SAVE right before the big level/boss. And then the 'game' autosaved right before they died.

Oh, right, he talked about that during the Genocide version of New Home, didn't he? Man, that's depressing...

>>52645499
Yep.
Also to get this more back on topic KH Hearts are also capable of destroying worlds as well with the power of DARKNESS which is innate to the heart along with LIGHT so if we're gonna allow DT feats for UT SOULs we should also allow DARKNESS/LIGHT feats for KH Hearts.
Hell Riku within a few moments of realizing his true power was able to purge Destiny Islands into darkness.

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>>52645539
>KH Hearts are also capable of destroying worlds
>tfw the Exaltations you distributed to your companions come pre-wrapped in a layer of superweapon

WHAT

HOW

>>52645539
Eh, that is impressive, but keep in mind that the DARKNESS/LIGHT are also fundamental forces of the universe, compared to DT, which is an innate part of the human SOUL. True, DARKNESS/LIGHT are also innate to the heart, but they're also grander concepts as well. When these powers are used, it's not JUST the heart alone. Also, keep in mind that Riku was, at that point, being helped/possessed by Ansem, who is himself an extremely powerful and ancient Heartless.

>>52645601
>When these powers are used, it's not JUST the heart alone.
Actually it is.
It's the heart just using it's power over these forces.
That's like saying MP is a grander concept so you're calling on MP and it's not your own strength.
>Also, keep in mind that Riku was, at that point, being helped/possessed by Ansem, who is himself an extremely powerful and ancient Heartless.
Ansem was only about 10 years old(has only lived for 10 years or less as a heartless) at the time and Riku wasn't possessed by him at the time anyways.

Would Summer Fae magic from Dresden allow you to do something like imbue your magic with the concept of the sun and then have it affect vampires accordingly?

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>>52645595

>>52642192
It does. The rules are actually pretty simple when you thing about what Mystery and the Root is; anything can happen at any time for any reason.

Magecraft is built on top of the shaky metaphysics of Gaia, which is both slowly dying, and continually letting humanity's collective will reject the reality of Gaia and substituting its own, being that of regular physics. Gaia's reality is inherently flexible, and in some senses, poorly thought out and highly contradictory, which allows for so much stupid shit to be possible all at once.

In the end, Gaia is a big old ball of Mystery, and all Magecraft is based on the Mysteries that are descended from it, Mystery effectively being 'Shut up it just fucking works alright'. Humanity themselves are all little balls of Mystery in that their Origins come directly from the Root and work in much the same way.

Magecraft is killing itself because the will of humanity rejects the existence of Gaia's Mysteries, but because Mystery is finite, there wouldn't be any left if anyone else found out about it. True Magic is just a Mystery granted by the Root to one person. Magecraft is fucked if it relies on using Gaia's Mysteries to continue supporting its existence.

>>52645601
Also while Ansem may have been helping Riku, it was Riku's power only that destroyed Destiny Islands, not Ansem's.
Ansem just pushed Riku into doing it.
Riku didn't get DARKNESS help from Maleficent and Ansem until after Destiny Islands was destroyed.
Also your whole arguement for UT Human souls being stronger was that seven of them could destroy a world and that Chara's in genocide could destroy a world.
They seem about equal on power levels so far IMO.
UT Souls just have better control over time
while KH Hearts just have better longevity.

>>52645622
>>52645622
I'm not saying it's not your own strength, I'm just saying it's not JUST your own strength. You're also using the power of these forces. It's less like saying MP is a grander concept and more like saying magic itself is a grander concept. You're using magic to do these things.

As far as I remember, Ansem should older then that, created by the initial experiments. Not only that, but even then you can clearly see Ansem's influence over Riku, given that he tells Sora to pursue the darkness. Even if he hasn't fully possessed Riku yet, he's still clearly exerting influence over him, and thus presumably lending his own abilities to aid him.

>>52645667
It wasn't just Riku's power alone. Aside from the fact that he wouldn't have known how to use it, Riku also was clearly showing signs of being influenced by Ansem, as mentioned above.

It's more then just destroying a world. According to Asriel, he was purging the whole TIMELINE. I argue that UT human SOULs are stronger because they're going it all on their own, without exerting influence on anything like the DARKNESS/LIGHT. The way I see it, it's like this: Undertale SOULs are glass cannons, far more fragile but with access to much greater power. Kingdom Heart souls, on the other hand, are like Tanks: still strong, if not quite as strong, but far more durable.

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>>52645632
Well, more the concept of life and renewel than the sun per se. But yes, you could probably hurt vampires with it.

>>52645640
No seriously how though

>>52645667
>>52645703
Ah, I had meant to erase that TIMELINE bit, given that it was possibly just Asriel boasting (even if it should be taken at face value for the purpose of story telling).

>>52645703
I guess.

BBS happened 10 years before KH1 and Ansem SOD's experiments started just after BBS so yeah 10 years or younger.

Yeah Ansem definitely infleunced RIku but I doubt he gave him a DARKNESS boost as there's nothing to suggest this.

Being influenced by someone to do something =/= having their power.

Fair enough but awhile ago you were singing a completely different tune.
'you still have a difference of 10,000 to 1'

>>52645716
Tell me something only the real Garlock would know. Only then can I divulge the secrets of the Dark.

Also even if Riku was drawing on Ansem's power(which he wasn't).
Beings like Xehanort, Ansem, Xemnas, Maleficent, etc are still able to destroy entire worlds easily.

>>52645734
Huh, weird. Could have sworn it was before that.

I'd assume Ansem would have to have at LEAST given Riku the knowledge on how to do that, given that Riku would have had no idea on how to do that. Just because he can cast magic, for example, doesn't mean he knows how to.

And I still hold to that. In the case of a monster soul, that's still one to ten thousand. Now, admittedly, it's a different story in the case of a KH soul. That's a different situation all together, from what it now seems.

>>52645747
Sure, but all of them are also a lot more experienced with using DARKNESS, and have the benefit of a more direct access to the DARKNESS, in comparison.

>>52645716
Basically the User can use the power of DARKNESS which is similar to the dark side from Star Wars as in it draws on emotions like anger, hate and fear to engulf the world in it, generally leaving it in ruin and sending it into the Realm of Darkness.

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>>52645742
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>>52645768
Oh hey, thanks. So like Manus & friends in Dark souls, then. Don't suppose the Light does anything as dangerous?

Well, that's one more eldritch secret down the toilet. Phooey.

>>52645772
So does that mean cinnamon toast crunch is spiral powered, or does it mean that its' part of the Uzumaki spirals?

>>52645784
it's* Fuck nuggets.

>>52645767
True I'll give you that but there is nothing to suggest Riku was given a power boost.

>>52645780
The Light is mostly used to combat Darkness, restore worlds, etc.
It can be dangerous in the right hands like Eraqus but it can't destroy worlds that easily.

Would Alexandria Package from Worm prevent someone from using their powers in my Inner World from Infernals?

>>52645784
>Uzumaki
Wasn't someone working on a jump/gauntlet of that?

>>52645815
No.

>>52645796
That's fair, I'll give you that. Magic seems to be the best description for DARKNESS and LIGHT, to be honest, given that it's an innate ability but one that can't be used without training/studying/knowledge.

>>52645827
I think Dirge was working on a Generic Junji Ito jump?

>>52645827
Dirge is.
>inb4 NOT VALID NOT ON THE DRIVE SB STAY OUT REEEEEEEEE

>>52645796
>>52645846
Oh, and one that also calls on and commands a much greater force. Which, by the way, seems really stupid in the case of DARKNESS. I mean, honestly, tampering with something that CONSUMES WORLDS is just asking for something bad to happen.

>>52645846
True
>>52645862
Actually it generally doesn't mess with the user.
Most possible effects that could negatively effect the user can generally be protected against with an org cloak hence why Riku and Mickey wear them.
With enough exposure it's possible to gain a complete immunity to it's corruption like Riku did by DDD.

Who wants some red Phyrexian perks?
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>>52645827
>Uzumaki gauntlet
Oh god no. If TTGL was in THAT universe, I'd be signing up with the anti-spiral in a goddamn heartbeat.

Add yourselves to the pile-200CP Discount Quiet Furnaces
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2/4

>>52645925
I don't.

>>52645890
I know it can be protected against, but how many people are going to have access to those cloaks or something similar-
>With enough exposure it's possible to gain a complete immunity to it's corruption like Riku did by DDD
Wait, really? Huh...that's weird. But okay, I guess that's a thing.

>>52645932
Well tough shit, babe.
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Basically, people don't tend to second-guess you unless you're clearly fucking them over.
3/4

>>52645925
I do.

>>52645942
I'm glad people want to see them.
And here's the 400cp perk

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All shall be a part of the Great Work, Jumper.
(basically lets you turn shitty materials into ones fit for actual quality products, maybe should be buffed a bit)

>>52645936
These cloaks IIRC are just standard black leather cloaks as such mickey was able to make one designed for him.

>>52645960
Huh, that's actually really great for my style of jumping. I typical focus on building robot armies and giant mechs and typical mad scientist stuff, so being able to do something like that would help a lot whenever I don't have access to a lot of resources. If you think it needs to be buffed further though, perhaps it slightly enhances actual quality materials? Very slightly, but still.

>>52645979
No way, seriously? They have to be enhanced with some kind of magic or something, right? It can't be that easy to resist the DARKNESS.

>>52645992
I'll see how the other 400cps for Blue, Black and Green hold up before making balance changes.
About that...what color next, guys?

>>52645992
You have to remember this is KH Disney logic so yeah I assume it is since they never mention any kind of enchantment or magic.

>>52646002
Kind of curious to see what Blue looks like.

>>52646013
Man, that's bizarre.

>>52645960
I don't think that needs to be buffed. That's already freakin amazing. Saves a huge amount on costs, lets you buy shitloads of cheap low quality materials yet get the stuff at the best quality for free (After the initial cheap price)

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What magic system or systems did you learn from Hero BBS?

>>52646017
Anyways going back more on topic.
Destructive Potential for KH Soul and UT Soul seems to be maxed out as World Slayer as Chara Genocide and Riku demonstrate.
Maximum Time Fuckery appears to be tied as well, KH Time Travel is very similar to DT where you have to have existed at the time to travel to it, the main difference is somethings are 'destined to happen' and you cannot change them. Then again KH fuckery has the advantage of being able to completely stop time for extended periods of time(example: Mickey's Stopga from KH DDD).

All star training applies to all skills, yeah? Magic, Martial Arts, sci-fi, anything that canbe called 'skill', right?

>>52646103
Mine was one that focused on the creation of wands & staves, with wands being really weak and thus not requiring much mana, and staves being much more powerful with most using up most of the average wizard's mana reserves. Each of which could hold a set of materials inside. The spells were determined by what materials are inside the focus with each material having a unique effect. Having different materials inside a focus would combine the effects of each material allowing neat effects like a homing spell that can also burrow through rock and explodes when it hits an enemy.

>>52646173
It should, yeah. Though I wouldn't count on it until YJ_Anon says something one way or the other. A lot of jumpmakers like to nerf learning perks to not apply to supernatural skills for literally no reason besides inter-jump balance.

>>52646173
That'd be a bit much. Being able to master anything in a month is way beyond the bat family. Stuff like becoming a master martial artist fits but matching some of the masters of magic in DC in just a month, when those masters are often prodigies in their own right and have been training for decades or centuries, would be very unfitting.

>>52641677
Monopoly is always a good pick

>>52646196
YJ will be needing to have a talk with how utterly broken that perk is if it does apply to anything.

>>52646173
Speaking of that, if it really is a month to become a master, you don't really need to bother with quite a few of the other perks, even the capstones. A month of work is a pretty sweet replacement for a 400-600cp perk each month.

>>52646197
>>52646201
Even certain martial arts like Hokuto Shinken shouldn't be able to be mastered in a mere month.

>>52646225
I'm more thinking of the perk somehow condensing things like First Magic or Xianxia training, where it's measured in million or billions or trillions of years, into just a month.

Fuck, this perk really is insanely powerful worded the way it is.

>>52646201
No, not really. And who named you King of Jumpchain? And why wouldn't it apply to anything? Besides the basic capacity to perform magic, it's usually still improved the same way you would anything else. If anything, he should define what "mastery" is or make it simple learning boost, but limiting its application to certain fields would just be asinine.

>>52646002
Blue pls

>>52646240
Making it a simple learning boost would fix it. Personally the only problem I have with it is that it's worded in a way that lets you master anything, regardless of the time or difficulty it usually takes to master that thing, within a month. I don't feel that it being worded this way fits what it's trying to represent and that a more traditional learning rate booster would both fit better and do less trivialising of the other options.

>>52646234
Hokuto Shinken literally allows you to poke a guy and have him explode.
It takes a life time of training to master.

>>52646244
>>52646017
Will get to work on blue next, then.

>>52644828
>>52645127
They'd be pretty damn impressed, yeah.

There are some other beings that can move between planes (Myojin of Night's Reach, Phyrexian tech, though Eldrazi probably don't count since they're not native to planes anyway), but moving whole cities is on a pretty damn impressive scale for the new walkers.

>>52645815
Nah. The world exists within you, but it's not really /you/ as such.

>>52645960
>(basically lets you turn shitty materials into ones fit for actual quality products, maybe should be buffed a bit)
Does it also help in making already good stuff better?

>>52646002
I'd like to see Black myself. Sheoldred best praetor.

Also, perk to forge Darksteel/Blightsteel?

>>52646334
The perk in itself doesn't help you push already good materials further. Unless you take the capstone for Red, which will boost it, most likely. Not showing them until all the colors are done
Black is going to get some !fun! Stuff with the oil, I think. Also backstabbing and black(heh) mail
Forging the steels... I steel need to read up on those again, but probably will be in, maybe in the items section instead of perks.

>>52646334
Nuwalkers can carry stuff between planes iirc. Just they literally have to cart it around while walking through theveternities.

Are there any other black-box perk beside from the one in Young Justice?

>>52646365
Alright. Seems kind of meh then, but the capstone boosting it along sounds interesting.

More interested in the backstabbing than the oil, to be honest. Isn't the oil a general Phyrexian thing?

Cool. I'd love the magical skill to forge those, instead of just getting Darksteel items, since you can't change them much when they're done.

>>52646370
Well, yeah, they can. They don't lose their clothes and weapons everytime they switch planes, after all.

But they're not going to take anything close to a city's size with them.

>>52646431
>not going to take anything close to a city's size with them.
Well yeah of course.

>>52646431
I am really iffy on balance right now, I guess I could make it already boost quality products a little bit, and the capstone do it further?
As for the oil, it is a general Phyrexian thing, yes, but it's black aligned (see Glistening Oil card), and the Steel Thanes seem to have gotten some info from it (one of them a /lot/, living submerged in the fucking thing), so giving Black some extra fuckery with the oil seems fair.

>>52646535
No, don't do that. The perk is amazing as is. If you boost it and have the capstone booster make it more, that'll just make the capstone booster look boring. As is, the perk has an incredible amount of use. Go to a logging place and take all the deadwoord, voila, you're working with high quality, sturdy wood that would normally cost lots and yet you got it free. Keeping it the same as it is now would also make the capstone booster more notable and desirable.

>>52646535
I mean, it's supposed to remove impurities. Unless 'quality' means perfectly pure, it seems logical it'd help a bit.

But I don't know on balance, so...

It's not like I have to be personally wow'd on every perk. You're going to get that anyway.


And I suppose on the oil. Hm, speaking of... Maybe a perk to make corruptive oil infused with your will/goals instead of Yawgmoth's?

>>52646557
Wait, it works on more than metal (and flesh/ceramic)?

>>52646609
Are you... Are you reading my paper notes, anon?
Also, yeah, I guess if you needed a 100% pure material the perk would help bring it to that.
>>52646557
I think I'll keep it as is, yeah. The capstones are pretty big, I feel they'll be desirable anyways.

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So how lewd are you with your companions?

How about characters in the settings?

>>52646639
I was assuming so? I was running off the assumption that his bracketed words about materials were the plain facts use of the perk without any fluff. I still think it's good enough as is even for just metal and flesh because those two cover a lot of what I can imagine uses for

>>52646651
>Are you... Are you reading my paper notes, anon?
Nah. Or at least you can't prove anything.

Sounds good though.

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>>52646656
Companions are not for lewds!

As for the rest of the settings... Well, let's say that I took Archer and Black Dynamite pretty early on in my chain...

>>52646656
>So how lewd are you with your companions?

aside from the wife? not at all


>How about characters in the settings?

I don't cheat on my wife,so not at all Some of my companions, however do occasionally get Casually entangled with locals.

>>52646767
>Companions are not for lewds!
so how pure?

>>52646791
> however do occasionally get Casually entangled with locals.
any funky stories?

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>>52646816
>so how pure?
Not very. They're mostly demons or part--demons, after all.

>>52646866
do they have good hygiene?

>>52646816
nothing major,there was the thing between Tyler Cutebikerdand Leonardo da Vinci,or the thing with him and Leeron but they Eventually broke up normally, powerful creative personalities really need the true love component in my experience,
of course, as was all before the Meta-hyper retro causality wave turned him into a Woman so now she is married to Saitama And they seem happy together.


and the endless stream of various coked up floozys and himbos The Lannister-Pooveys make use of,I mean seriously, can you please stop inviting these people into the warehouse. It's a security risk!

>>52646656
I lost the capacity for lewd and replaced it with more efficient blood distribution systems.
Nothing without some serious issues would want to lewd Jumper.

>>52646891
Take my advice and don't say that kind of thing, people around here will take it as a challenge.

>>52646891
Depends really, altforms exist and charisma/beauty builds too.

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I dont care what anyone says, sunsurfing whale is a best morph in eclipse phase.


Ok eclipse phase question, what is computronium? The description makes it serm like a fishbowl filled with magic water.

How much peocessing power does the one you buy actually possess, like a halo computer vs a eclipse phase computer which has more number crunching power?

what are similspaces?

Last question, how big of a deal would people see warframe tech as here?
Also good morning thread.