EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>52640618
This a particularly round about way of just casting Armageddon.

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We minotaur tribal now

>>52640655
Except it positions you slightly better to recover, and if you pull it with Leovold...

But yeah, basically, except in a color that doesn't normally get it.

>>52640662
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/floating-coffin/
Getting there.

The changelings except Mauler are maybeboard, on mobile so not changing it.

>>52640698
>and if you pull it with Leovold...

...you suddenly find yourself not invited to play with your group anymore.

Hey EDHG, should I make my Erebos deck more midrangy, or should I shove more combos and tutors into it?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/erebos-god-of-goodstuff-1/

>>52640618
To answer the thread question, a good chunk of my spot removal is geared towards shutting down the Animar in my playgroup.
I never feel bad.

>>52640618
>What's the most "Bully" move you've ever pulled and do you feel bad about it?

Forced Salty McSalt to make horrible attacks into Gideon Jura again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again while out aggroing everyone else on board.

>>52640618
Another absolute bully moment was waiting for the guy running blue to tapout, then going for the Jokulhaups+Faith's Reward in my Zurgo deck

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Planning on making a Tajic, Blade of the Legion deck. Mostly Human and Soldier tribal.

What are some must includes? What are some good win-cons to put in that also won't make people I play with hate me?

I'm sorry if this is an idiotic question, but rulings say that a creature with 0 toughness is "put into a graveyard". Does this mean it's sacrificed technically, or is its method of hitting the grave a different thing entirely?
I wanna know if Mazirek in Hapatra is bonkers after I clear the board with Black Sun's Zenith.[/spoiler}

>>52641018
Does it say sacrificed?

>>52640618
Dunno if it counts, but one guy Armageddoned while I had Faith's Reward in hand and he was left with nothing but few dinky creatures while I beat his face in with both Akromas.
He was pretty depressed

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This is what i have now, i want to make this deck as good as it can be.
what big ticket items am i missing?
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/591294#paper

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>>52640699
Why include all the trash changelings as well? You might as well play the trash minotaurs too, if you're going to play them.
Include Adaptive Automaton at least, if you don't want Door of Destinies. Door might be not worth it, since there's not enough shit to work with and Coat of Arms is way too risky.

I'm going to go the discard route though, through enchantments mostly, that includes double strike, Painful Quandary, Oppression and so on. I also include Anthem of Rakdos, Jagged Poppet and other hellbent cards.

>>52641018
No. Keep in mind that same goes for legend rule: you don't sacrifice the excess legends, you put them in your grave. Sacrifice is something you have to do yourself and is a completely separate effect.

>>52640662
Oh hell yeah baby, Hellbent/Minotaur tribal inbound

>>52640618
>What's the most "Bully" move you've ever pulled and do you feel bad about it?
Dropping Act of Aggression on a guy's Memnarch and stealing all his shit because a Lattice was on my field.

I didn't feel a bit of pity. Fuck Memnarch.

>>52641203
Like I said, they're maybeboard. I was thinking First Strike Deathtouch synergies but they're probably not worth it. I kind of wanted to go the Null Profusion/Ragemonger/Heartless Summoning creature Storm route but I would need a way higher creature density for that.

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>>52640699
>bolt
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52641510
Yeah, the "I win combat" isn't that great. Deathtouch seems awfully weak keyword for EDH unless it can be utilised with pingers or other noncombat damage

>>52641758
Bolt does work, and Minotaur fucking tribal needs all the help it can get.

>>52641784
why not just go here?
https://edhrec.com/tribes/minotaurs

>>52641825
Learn English mate.

>>52641018
No, those count as dying, but not sacrificing.
Grave Pact effects are probably going to be good in Hapatra if you focus on the token aspect, so Mazirek could be good alongside those.

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>>52640618

>>52641825
Because most people building "tribal decks" for tappedout and so just cram the useless shit in their decks because the creature happens to have right creature type. If I wanted to know every minotaur, I'd just search for them by creature type, I just don't want every vanilla beater that tribal decks will have anyway for underrepresented tribes

>>52641912
so put in useless spells because other formats use them?
kys retard

>>52641899
>implying Wood Elemental isn't top-secret classified tech in Titania

>>52641951
He's not even the guy who made the deck, he's just pointing out how stupid that list is. Fuck off back to Facebook.

>>52641984

Where do I start building for Karador? I've never played something 3C but he seems fun.

>>52641951
There's few usable minotaurs, nigger. Outside of lords, Cairn Wanderer and Taurean Mauler are only ones worth using and actual minotaurs the Fanatic guy and the Edgewalker minotaur.
Most of the minotaurs are so bad that only format they would maybe see play is limited.

>>52640699
this is bad and you should feel bad

>>52642114
My playgroup is getting passive aggressively irritated at me for building at too high of a powerlevel. This looked like a decent chance to build crap.

>>52641899
>MFW I actually run good ol' Woody

>>52642186
Anon, try with another playgroup. Don't build boring crap, maybe try with another deck? Like, with a fun deck, Minotaurs are not good, just not.

>>52642214
I am literally building crap on purpose.

I have literally over a dozen decks, it's just I'm surrounded by utter jank.

>>52642244

I'm not against your Minotaur tribal my friend, but one thing you can do is help your friends by buying them cheap but good additions to their decks and helping them deckbuild

>>52642244
Then get another group. If they cannot hold your powerlevel, then aren't you bored?

>>52642214
>implying power=fun and fun=power
I built a shitty Ayli cleric tribal and I haven't had as much fun with any deck as with it. Even though the tribe isn't powerful, it doesn't mean that the overall synergy will be bad and the deck won't feel awful to play with.

>>52642260

You seem like a sociopath

>>52642288
I don't like when people complain because my decks are stronger or more consistent than theirs.

>>52642260
Not him, but I find it refresing to build with decent variety. High power decks run mostly same anyway and have same cards so that's not gonna be interesting deck if you have multiples of the same thing.

>>52642326

I get that, but the idea of switching playgroups, which are you usually made up of friends, because of something like that, seems antisocial

>>52642326
You sound like a boring person and totally not fun to play against. Why not challenge yourself at deckbuilding instead of sounding like a sore loser?

>>52642391
Winning is fun. I don't care if the rest don't have fun if I'm winning.

>>52642259
They're other dudes at my LGS, I never said they were friends and I'm certainly not buying any of them decks that could complete with mine.

>>52642260
I enjoy winning and do so with frequency, to the point that it's almost boring just winning with my T2-T3 barely competitive decks. Some of the people I play with are actually fun to be around and I'd like to continue the fun.

>>52642430
I'm surprised that there's people who want to still play with you after first time. Unless you're that one annoying faggot that always sits in other people's tables without asking.

>>52642479
Mostly competitive decks and I mostly play at the FNM Commander league. So, no, I don't ask people to play I mostly get paired.

>>52642547
>>52642430

How often do you post in these threads

>>52642632
Lurk, mostly to give advice.

>>52642632
To be fair I usually try and push the powerlevel of these threads too, and I post pretty frequently.

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Guys what would the best deck be to simulate the Roman empire? I was thinking red-white maybe. Some suggestions would be wonderful.

>>52642715
Iroas, God of Victory hard aggro and keyword sharing

>>52642715
Anax and Cymede

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second camel spoiled

we getting camel tribal soon

>>52642907
Another doubler for my Vorel counters deck.

>>52642907

Interesting that he can kill planeswalkers in green

>>52642941
>>52642982
Please reread the card.

>>52643010
>or remove one from it

>>52643010

>each ****kind*** of counter

Woops

That's an interesting effect, wonder what they were thinking with that

>>52643033
Wait, what does it means?

>>52643057

It means it counts different kinds of counters, like loyalty or charge counters

It's interesting because I rarely see multiple kinds of counters on the same permanent

>>52643083
Wait, so if a permanent has both -1/-1 and +1/+1 they count as two kinds? So they don't nullify each other?

>>52643096
They do.

I assume the most likely combination is loyalty and +1/+1 in this standard.

>>52640618
I try not to feel bad about my moves, but there was a time at an old shop we always hated out the Avacyn player before he could do anything.

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>>52640618
What are some fun, goofy, very value town commanders I can play with my friends?

>>52643161
Play grouphug.

>>52643129
>>52643096
+1/+1 and -1/-1 counters annihilate each other. All other types of counters stack. So this combos nicely with, say, Frankenstein's Monster which will host +2/+0, +1/+1, and +0/+2. Also, creatures with Cumulative Upkeep and +1/+1 counters can gain p/t and lose Age. Or if they have -1/-1 and Age they can lose both.

>>52643175
No I want funny shit.

>>52643193
What do you consider funny? Funny as in "We laugh"?

>>52643223
I played Jeleva with nothing but protection and big shit like Time Stretch and In Garruk's Wake for no other reason then free casting shit

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>>52642907
I'm surprised Beast is still a creature type considering how little they want to use it for anything. At least it isn't as shitty as the existence of Naga as a type.

>>52643245
Camels have a long and glorious tradition as a type. Seriously, they go back to Arabian Nights.

As for Beast, I think they're restricting it to weird things (like Pangolins) or beasts that aren't earthly wildlife (like Baloths). Which... eeh? I'm more of a Splitter than a Lumper anyway.

>>52643296
And yet it should've been errata'd after the Grand Creature Type Update.

Here we are years later with the same problem we had before due to creature type proliferation.

>>52640618
Putting MLD in Narset

>>52643161
Pride Kings are about as value town as you can make them. You don't even have to play group hug, since you benefit more than the rest.

You can play them as an Arms Dealer type of deck. Give people stuff, let certain people (you included) draw cards, and fuck over control decks. My favorite way of doing that? Telepathy.

>>52642982
Green has been able to fuck with counters for a very long time

>just bought over $192 of random crap for under $30
Thanks John.

Every time a new set comes out I gey excited and look for skeletons. They are my pet type. Whwn will they give me more of them!? How about you, /tg/? Are there creature types you want more of that never happen?

>>52644721
Kavu.

>>52644661
who's john

>>52644721
wierds

>>52644721
spikes will NEVER EVER come back

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>>52640662
Oh great, another good general for a terrible tribe. Pic related.

>>52644833
Dude who just sold me two Onslaught fetches, Phyrexian Altar, two Sphere of Resistance, and a bunch of other neat shit for that anount.

>>52644916
oh
good deal then

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lets play
GUESS THE DECK

>>52645099
Krenko makes the most sense but it could be any Red commander really.

>>52645099
Zada

>>52645125
yep

Need an explanation for how in the hell a gitrog monster deck actually plays.

I understand the combo, but I feel like I'm missing what to do before it goes off, and I guess even after it goes off. Dredge your deck, then all your win conditions are in your graveyard. If you wait, you durdle before the combo goes off.

Like I get dread returning skirge familiar, but then your necrotic ooze is still in the graveyard.

Anybody ever play one of these decks?

>>52643245
Wait until you realize that nagas AND lamias are both creature types in magic in addition to sneks

What alternative win cons would you play in Leo? I'm sick of running lab man, I run grave titan/skithiryx and a few other random beaters but feel like something new.

>>52645828
Wow. One single lamia. Wizards what the fuck.

>>52645825
You have infinite deterministic draw. Loop Lotus Petal and Hornet Sting.

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Cast an All is Dust in an Emrakul deck, had Kozilek, Butcher of Truth already out, popped a Strip Mine and then swung in to my opponents each turn until they had no lands left. Felt good. It's a good day when Emrakul can destroy a Krenko deck.

>>52645099
Lovisa Coldeyes.

>>52645986
But... How does the hornet sting go back in the library?

>>52646114
Any graveyard shuffler?

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Don't mind me, a strictly better Krosan Tusker coming through!

>>52646212
>or a Desert card

>>52646212
Krosan Tusker cycles for 2G you turd.

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How true is this?

>>52646283
Read both cards again.

>>52646309
They don't relate, fun is a variable determined solely by your playgroup.

>>52646319
You read them again. Krosan Tusker is still better when you only have three mana.

>>52646324
agreed.

More important is the power gap between the decks and players' skill. Secondly is the attitude of the players, how competitive they are, what is the chill level and the amount of alcohol is involved.

>>52646330
You have not read them yet!

>>52646342
I did. You didn't.

>>52646354

The point he's trying to make is that >>52646212 puts a land into play UNTAPPED

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>>52642073
Buy the Meren prebuilt deck. Seriously, a solid chunk of the stuff you will need is already in that deck. Otherwise Hallowed Spiritkeeper, Nyx Weaver, See the Unwritten, and Ghoultree are absolute musts. Something like Overwhelming Stampede or Pathbreaker Ibex is always welcome in Green. I also have a lot of ETB effects like Duplicant, Rune-Scarred demon, and Karmic guide supported with Eldrazi displacer. Karador himself needs spells that shovel stuff into your graveyard, and in my experience pairs well with the aformentioned Ghoultree, and stuff like Selfless spirit and Spore frog.

>>52646378
I know, for FOUR MANA.

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>>52646354
>>52646342

Get a room, you two.

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>>52644845
>>52644729
>>52644870
Truly you are all my kind of people. Though I must admit, it seems like you bunch have even more selective taste.

I'm torn. I want to play and finish my Nekusar deck, but I also want to play a Panharmonicon abusing Breya deck. My problem is I'm poor and can only finish one of these. Please give me your advice, /tg/.

>>52646684
Nekusar is boring as hell. I built Nekusar and I regret it deeply.

>>52645099
> Ancient Tomb is $27

That's just because it's the from the vault promo, right?

>>52640662
I feel the urge to helm this guy in a Madness deck, but I think I'd feel too bad about making everyone hellbent. Being a timid sadist is difficult.

>>52644721
Ouphes are my favorite tribe, but I don't actually particularly like any of the cards. Dusk Urchins and Spellwild Ouphe are kind of cool though.

>>52641127
Imperial Recruiter, Goblin Chirurgeon, Goblin Matron, Skirk Prospector, Treasonous Ogre, Kari Zev's Expertise, Skull Clamp, Eldrazi Monument. Maybe Mana Geyser, Magus of the Moon, Priest of Urabrask and Akroan Crusader. I don't really like playing a bunch of pump effects, especially ones which don't grant haste, in multiplayer.
There's also this list/primer that is linked on the competitive tier list, which pretty much goes all-or-nothing. I've heard that Zada is one of the fastest combo decks in cEDH, just that it's wildly inconsistent.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/760494-zada-hedron-grinder-why-play-ancestral-recall-when

>>52646309
100% true

>>52646340
Also 100% true

>>52644721
You're my man. I want skeletons as well, but we only have few good ones, sadly. Everyone wants zombies instead

I was thinking of building Tazri, any tips to keep the deck on the casual side ?

All of the players in my playgroup are quite new to the game so I don't want to overwhelm anyone. I just like the look of all the allies.

Maybe I'm better off building Munda?

>>52647154
Munda is terrible. Use him in the 99 if anything. Just play any allies you want, they're not even good, since you can play only 1 of each.
They're literally worse slivers

>>52647193
Seems like I've got some misconceptions about allies then. Someone at my lgs keeps going on about how strong his Tazri deck is.

He's probably using that food chain stuff.

5c manabase sounds like it's going to be a pain though, especially for my wallet...

>>52647154
Tribal decks are precarious in ultra-casual groups because they can easily grow out of control if they don't play sweepers or just removal in general. But really, you have a plethora of terrible cards to choose from, so you should probably be able to tune it to your power level.
Just kill me tier: Play the cards that are just randomly allies and don't have tribal interactions.
Bad tier: Include the Cohort allies, it stops the quadratic power growth.
Poor tier: Include allies that grant minor benefits, like temporary boosts to your creatures.
Mediocre tier: Include the allies that are pretty much must-answer threats in the context of your deck. Tuktuk Scrapper, Tajuru Warcaller, Sea Gate Loremaster, Kazuul Warlord and Hagra Diabolist.
Decent Tier: Play a selection of solid Allies, and then utilize your 5-color pool to have a solid framework around it.
Broken tier: Play 3 allies and food chain.
Fun tier: Use the ability to tutor to set up combos with cards like Cliffhaven Vampire, Mina and Denn, Noyan Dar or Zada.

>>52647375
Well, as the others are kind of new, you'll do well running taplands and the trilands. You also can run slow fetches and the BfZ fetchable dual lands. You don't need fetches or duals in casual groups, best lands you'd want in them are shocks, unless you own better ones though.

>>52647658
>>52647375
Oh yeah, I also meant to say that allies can be somewhat powerful tribe, but feels like extremely watered down slivers.

>>52644721
Skeletons are pretty awesome and I'd vote for some variety in the undead... or "Diversity among the life-impaired" as Wizards would probably put it these days.

My pet type is probably Gremlin... or at least was until Kaladesh. Yeah, there were only two of them, but they were evocative little monsters while the artifact-sucking anteater-monkeys just don't have the same spark of mischief and malice. What cursed monkey paw did I unintentionally wish on to get more Gremlins?

Fungus is nice, but what I really want to see more of are the True Thallids, and they probably aren't coming back.

I'm one of the few people who actually likes Beebles. Not because they were 'funny' but because I sort of saw them as the counterpoint to Gremlins: mischievous but probably "well" meaning as much as they meant anything, sort of like quasi-intelligent fun-loving tribbles.

I'm gonna say my biggest regret: So few pirates! AER got us two which kind of made up for the Gremlins, but I thirst for more.

>>52640722
not him, but for years, i was waiting for Wizards to deliver a UBG Legendary creature with decent stts, good abilities and a 3cmc cost.
Now that Leovold exists (got lucky to get a foil one in the only conspiracy booster i bought) and made him my commander, my friends dont want to play with me anymore unless i change my commander.
Even when I use Leovold as a beater with Swords and stuff from my old Jenara Deck, people dont want me to play with me unless I use other colors.

Why are people so fucking assholes even when I explained I dont play combo Leovold?
Is it any chance Leovold could be banned in commander?

>>52644872
Because you play it with Vehicles and Dwarves you moron.

>>52648176
Because you became The Threat
and yeah, there's a chance, the RC is dumb like that.

>>52648016
>>52644721
>>52647108
>yfw wizards won't print more skeletons because it's fat shaming

>>52648190
I don't think so, I mean Oloro is still on the run in unfun decks just like Leovold.

>>52648176
Because edh is full of entitled faggots that cry because they think that having fun is allowed for them.

What I would do is putting together a narset turns deck and shove it in their asses

>>52648190
>>52648190

Its because Leovold is so damn good even if you are not playing the combo version. If its not countered or sacrificed, every fucking time you target him or something, you will get a card.
You probably have counterspells (Voidslime and the new one from Aether Revold are pretty good additions) so even when your removal gets countered, The Leovold player will always get card advantage and you will lose resources trying to remove him.

I own a MonoU Azami hard control deck, and its really a pain in the ass to play with a Leovold deck. Having green means you will have to face uncounterable beaters like Thrun and that 2/2 green insect from Dragon Maze that won him the game cause it has protection of blue, flash and cant be countered.

>>52646902
Nope, both ftv and original cost about that much unless you want to throw down over $100 for the lottery card version

>>52648356
I have that deck too, but they actually dont want to play vs anything that has blue on it unless its a shitty commander or they know they can beat it.

>>52647464
Okay so what you should build is 5-color Tazri charms with Noyan Dar and all the Talrand/Monastary Mentor type cards for backup. Plus manlands because why not

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Kruphix reporting in to cast Nissa for x=more than 100 and scry until I find an Eldrazi to put onto the battlefield

>>52649000
I should really build the alternate wincon Kruphix deck I've been thinking about

>>52649076
Anything other than Eldrazi, Phyrexians (the praetors) or other interplanar threats, you're doing Kruphix an injustice.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/kruphixs-insight-2014-06-11

>>52649076
Cards like Blue Sun's Zenith/Stroke of Genius are also acceptable if they are drawing the cards. You're filling their mind with so much knowledge they die.

>>52649076
I like using Hydras with X in the cost and just grinding out wins. I hate Eldrazi in commander. Especially the ones with Annihilator.

>>52649361
Hydra Broodmaster is pretty great for dumping 20+ mana and dumping out tons of tokens. Plus it doesn't have an x cost to cast so it won't die if you cheat it out

>>52649361
BFZ/OGW/EMN Ulamog, Kozilek and Emrakul are quite fair for their casting cost in commander, don't shuffle back in forever and don't have annihilator, which is the most oppressive part of them IMHO. They also put a lot of the power in the cast trigger so that reanimating/cheating them is less powerful.

Emrakul is also a hell of a lot of fun if you've got a thick skin. Take someone's turn, attack another player with the first player then they both attack you.

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>>52642641
>>52642691
Remember to take tryhard advice with a grain of salt /tg/

Can Norin be a T1 deck?

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Any ideas on my Jenara Enchantress/Voltron build? I finally got playtesting it and it's pretty explosive for my not-too-competitive meta (swinging two times per turn for trampling 50+/50+ indestructible, hexproof in the air turn 8-9) but I am wondering if I overlooked something. Do you think it's competent or has any glaring flaws?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jenaras-bant-enchantress/

>>52650374

Absolutely not

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Oh look, they printed Parallel Lives in white.

>>52650513
Makes more sense in white. Liliana -7 zombie horde here we come.

>>52650383

Calming verse seems better than cleansing meditation for comboing with Ench evening, since threshold isn't a guarantee in your deck

>>52650551
Well this does seem fun - especially since mana burn is not a thing. G is also less punishing than WW. Will add it for testing, thank you. Any other thoughts on the deck?

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Ignoring the price of this, would you consider it playable in a sliver queen combo/goodstuff deck?

>>52650716
I don't think a Tabernacle effect is really where you wanna be in a Sliver deck, don't you go pretty wide?

>>52650750
Not what the conbo does.

>>52650716
Depends on my meta but maybe?

>>52649000
>planeswalker
>with X cost

>>52650513
This is really nice. It makes non-green token decks slightly more viable especially with white's enchantment tutors.

>>52650750
>>52650783
Its not my deck. My friend has a sliver queen deck that he is working to make a consistent turn 4 combo deck and thinks tabernacle would be a good addition, the rest of my group told him its a terrible card when compared to stuff like swords/path and he got immensely butthurt by their comments to cry to me about it. I just figured I humor him by asking others what their opinion is on it. if the deck setup matters he's building it in a semi superfriends with sun titan/angelic renewal, 2 sliver combo, and warstorm surge

>>52650860
Tabernacle really isn't going to be worth it unless you're playing a Stax build. Otherwise Maze of Ith or something would be a better call

>>52650952
Thanks for the input, now I can get him to stop bothering me about it

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Rhonas, the Indomitable
2G
legendary Creature - God
Deathtouch, indestructible

Rhonas, the Indomitable can't attack or block unless you control another creature with power 4 or greater.

2G: Another target creature you control gains +2/0 and trample until end of turn.

5/5

Seems pretty disappointing really. I hope the black god will be much better and synergise well with the Minotaur feller, like the red one does. That said, each of the gods have been pretty disappointing, but at least the set has some other interesting cards.

>>52651187
>Deathtouch on a 5/5
>Without trample
>PriceIsRightLoserNoise.wav

Any advice on making sliver decks? I got this recently and would like to do something with it other than have it collect dust, but I'm quite short on cards. Just fill the rest up with Changelings?

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>>52651301
Whoops, didn't include the deck.

>>52650513
Wtf i love Daxos now

>>52651187
So far the gods have been... yeah, a little underwhelming. But I think this is probably the worst of the bunch as far as disappointment goes, despite having a fairly solid activated ability. Oketra was a big scoop of vanilla ice cream I'll rarely want in the command zone but as a token maker she can find a home in the 99. Kefnut was a poor payoff for keeping hand at 7 but at least has some interesting synergies that give me a nonzero desire to brew. And Pervert is jank but I feel she's the best poised to go places. Janky places, but maybe fun places too. I actually want to see what I can do gambling for Devastating dreams, dropping her to the field, and then exploding the world and my hand at the same time, which is more than I can say for the other gods.

>>52651301
Queen and Mana Echoes. You're Welcome. Also Ashnod's Altar/Basal Sliver and Heartstone.

Your commander should either be the Queen or the Overlord: Fuck Legion and Hivelord, run them in the 99 if you want indestructible or Coat of Arms. Queen is the core of your combo engine, but Overlord can just tutor her up, along with any other answer. Basically, you should have the ability to combo out in the deck. If it's plan A, put Queen in the Command Zone. If it's plan B, put Overlord there.

Homing Sliver. Fuck yeah Homing Sliver. Delicious.

There are more than enough Slivers that you don't have to run changelings or terrible predator-ripoff nuslivers

>>52651438
Also Infinite: Queen + Heartstone + Gemhide + Heart

>>52650795
That's kind of the point. Kruphix stockpiles and doubles mana, then you can cast Nissa for obscene amounts of mana and if she gets mana drained, better have a counter for mana drain.

>>52651187
All of the gods suck as commanders but are fine in the 99 as generic duders that do stuff, which is fine if they pointed the gods at standard play, which it seems they did. At least they gave us Minotaur tribal for the 3 people that wanted it.

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Secret/Sexy tech for this sexy thang?

>>52648388
Damn. Glad I bought mine for $15 when I did.

>>52651624
Cathartic Reunion
Tormenting Voice
Magmatic Insight
Life From the Loam
Crop Rotation
Sylvan Scrying
5 cycling lands
Homeward Path
Boseiju
Kessig Wolf Run
Gaea's Cradle
Strip Mine
Geier Reach Sanitarium/Mikokoro
other good lands with effs.

>>52650513
Going straight into my mono white soldiers tribal.

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>>52640618

Is there a Naya deck that's not brainless playing big dorks and hoping for the best? I've been getting Naya fetchlands and other shit lately and I feel like I should do something with those.

>>52651727
WURG or WBRG something
Animar isn't W but is fun
5c dragon tribal

>>52651686
anon wat
Did you mistake it for Mina and Denn, or do you just put a loam shell in every RG deck? (Not that I blame you.)

>>52651727
I mean, Marath is a clusterfuck of decision trees all by himself.

I wanna build Junk Enchantress, do I keep holding out for a commander to fit it, or is it time throw in the towel and build something and just throw a random commander in?

>>52651883
I'm pretty sure there plenty of garbage enchantress commanders, so I don't...

>Remembers that people used to call some color scheme "Junk"
>Anon probably meant Abzan

Yeah, wedges aren't going to get much love and black doesn't touch enchantments with an 11 foot pole, so best build with what we've got. Run Anafenza for the body or something like Tymna/Ikra

>>52651779
>Did you mistake it for Mina and Denn, or do you just put a loam shell in every RG deck?
the latter

it's just loam, crop rotation and a few taplands as cost and if you're in two colors, you can mostly afford the tap lands.
Also new bicycle is a forest/mountain for farseek/nature's lore/wood elves/three visits/etc.
If you have 7 on color fetches too, loam gets better.
If you have regrowth effects, like Eternal Witness, Den Protetor, Season's Past, Greenwarden, Praetor's Consel, dredging with Loam gets better.

>>52652144
Black has like, Black Market and the black THS gods.

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>>52650513
Straight into Teysa.

>>52652183
Oh, it has plenty of good enchantments, it just doesn't interact with the card type much if at all, so WBG is highly unlikely to get an "Enchantress" commander printed. The shtick of WBG seems to be manipulating life, the graveyard, and maybe counters.

>>52651883
If you're talking about Abzan, you can play Ghave as backup infinite man, or Karador, so you can return your Enchantresses back from grave. I for one would like to play Jund enchantress

>>52651727
Tamanoa ;_;

What would you say is the right way to use Lotus Cobra? While I thought it looked at first, the value diminishes the longer the game goes on. Seems more like a card you'd run in Pepe than a normal accelerator.

>>52640618
>Bully?
Using clock of omens on my stax mono artifacts to hose specific players. Feels damned good.

>>52650513
I'm hype.

>>52646902
Ancient Tomb is a staple in multiple Legacy decks.

>>52650860
I'm not sure why you would run any of those themes in Sliver Queen combo but it seems dumb.

Tabernacle still doesn't do anything unless you're playing loads of Cradle decks.

Wait, if you populate the embalmed angel you get to exile more shit?

>>52652702
Plus it's pretty hard to justify not running one in commander. You have to be pretty color intensive or really can't afford the 2 damage a turn

>>52653128
Sure. It also works with other token doubling effects like the new white Parallel Lives.

>>52653128
Why wouldn't you?

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>>52653182
I already run paralel lives and doubling seasons, with the new token doubler thingie I get to exile all the shit I want.

>>52652500
It's solid in decks that play loadsalands like Azusa, Gitrog or Mina and Denn. Alternatively, if you play competitive, you might add it just because mana acceleration is important and he gives you 2 per fetchland. Lastly, he probably fuels some infinite combos or other synergies (Sylvan Reclamation, Scapeshift, etc) if you pack those.

But outside of those, playing some rampant growth equivalent is probably better. I guess he's in the top percentage of sneks if you're into that.

>>52641016
>Indestructible Commander
Pariah and Shield of the Pariah. Become invincible for as long as nobody draws enchantment removal or mills you out.

>>52651883
Hey, fuck you man, I started building that a week ago!

In seriousness, though, I was planning on running Anafenza because even though there isn't much synergy with enchantments, at least she's a cheap creature with a sometimes useful ability.

>>52652220
These two are cute together, where are they in the story now? I vaguely remember that Taijic got imprisoned and Teysa was going to try and break him out when her grandfather caught her, I think.

>Daiochan board wipes with Stuffy Doll, Repercussion etc all about making my creatures indestructible while blowing up the board over and over and over again. Has Burning Sands for asymmetrical land destruction since my shit doesn't die.

>Jhoira deck all about spamming/copying Wheel effects while suspending everything that I don't want to discard from each resolve of each wheel effect. Milling entire tables out while getting to keep everything from each hand that I didn't want to discard.

Which do I buy next

>>52653481
That's the last we've seen them afaik. I haven't scoured the archives, but I don't remember their storyline getting resolved.

>>52647193
With all the ETB effects and crazy fun combos and synergy you can do with (old) allies, you prove that you clearly dont know what you're talking about. I would be much more scared of an ally deck going off then a sliver deck going off

>>52653699
>he runs Diaochan
You already have what you need.

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>dio
>doppio strike
Isthisamotherfuckingjojoreference!!1@

>>52654088
When slivers can be anything from unblockable untargetable double striking monsters that triple in numbers each time they attack, to hasty cantripping birds of paradise or instant speed disenchants stapled to vindicates, I'd say your fear is very much irrational.

Not to mention that Slivers actually have numerous members that actually protect each other, as opposed to Allies that need external protection.

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>>52640662
Price spike when?

I have a bunch of EDH deck ideas that will be built eventually.

What do I stick mind's desire into?
Jhoira? Zur? white Sygg? Rashmi? probably Rashmi.

>>52654088
While slivers don't do same things allies can, allies are nearly not as powerful tribe as slivers.
You can't name enough allies that matter more than you can with slivers. Allies can be more powerful if you can run multiples of cards, but most allies are bad and unless I have missed something, only few of them are good, such as the reanimator ally and the one that draws you for each ally, but those require tapping.
With slivers you can do almost everything with themselves, from flashing them to regenerating themselves and breaking everything in sight, allies aren't even close what slivers are in EDH. If we were talking about other formats, then sure.
Both tribes lose to wraths, but at least slivers have hivelord.

>>52654616
Never. There's not enough meaningful minotaurs and the major price spikes don't come from EDH cards anyway

>>52654088
Well you would be retarded then.

>>52654658
>Both tribes lose to wraths, but at least slivers have hivelord.
There's an indestructible ally as well. The thing is Allies need flicker to have their abilities at will. Or clone effects. I'd say both tribes can pull out the same shenanigans, but slivers come out on top because they outnumber allies by a lot.

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is vaevictis the most powerful of the og elder dragons? you can ramp a bunch, play jund aggro stuff, and eventually use the tri-color firebreathing to totally destroy someone later on in the game. am i crazy or does that sound actually half-decent?

>>52654732
Doesn't die to Doom Blade, holds up.

>>52654732
Or you can play Prossh
I know he has 5 power, but he comes with a bunch of dinky tokens to sac to increase his power to 7 three times for GG in commander damage.

>>52654732
I mean he's overpriced for a big flying beater, but there's nothing wrong with having your commander being able to hit hard enough to send a player straight to the shadow realm

I think it's arguable that the OG nicol bolas is better because of the hand disruption though. If Vaevictus hits and doesn't kill, you haven't necessarily improved your position much if he starts getting removed or chumpblocked or whatever.

Whereas Nicol Bolas will probably destroy a lot of good shit if he gets through even once, giving you a longer term advantage even if he bites the dust.

>>52654851
yeah, but then you're playing prossh and the whole table is going to focus you down assuming you're running the broken food chain list

>>52650860
the way tabernacle is worded if you have Hivelord out you dont need to pay anyways.

>>52654882
I really hate that people always assume you're playing the broken shit. I have a Karador list with literally 40 Shadowborn Apostle and a bunch of demons. They always start attacking me even after they see me play nothing but Apostle for 4 or so turns, get Reaper from the Abyss and then cast Karador the next turn.

I'm not a sick fuck that enters casual cockatrice rooms with a powered competitive/nearly tier 1 power deck with infinite combos, especially if the room said no inf.

>>52643161
grand arbiter augustine 4

>>52654952
i think my playgroup has been burned one too many times. if anyone is playing anything other than weird jank shit like blind seer or progenitus group hug they get hated on so hard.

>>52654952
>I'm sick of people stopping my deck that literally can only won if nobody interacts with me before turn 5
>waah why don't people like having four creatures destroyed each of their turns

>>52655037
Literally kill yourself

>>52654732
Wait don't them all except Bolas have triple firebreathing?
>checks other og elder dragons
Huh I had that backwards. One of them even has buttbreathing, cool.

>>52640698
>except in a color that doesn't normally get it.
>Blue
>Not getting something
lmao

>>52655072
If your playgroup hates you you're the problem.

>>52651727
Marath can be built in many different ways and has more abilities than a pokemon card.

Tamanoa is unofficial commander, but she's fun as fuck in spellslinger deck.
protip: naya has enchantment tutors, Wheel of sun and moon and Funforger.
Go nuts.

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How does his last ability work if I sacrifice a fetchland with him out? Do I get to choose to draw then grab a land or can I grab a land then draw?

>>52654669
>never
It already spiked like 2000% when Theros came out, and then crashed back down as it was obviously not good enough.

>>52655365
draw then grab

>>52655365
put the Fetch ability on the stack and pay its costs including sacrificing the fetch. Gitrog triggers and his ability goes on the stack. His ability resolves and you draw a card. Fetch resolves and you fetch.

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>>52655387
>>52655446
Now I don't want to play it, that is just a terrible forced stack

>>52655493
This is why you Dredge

>>52655618
>fetchlands are good for gitrog
>just mill them instead of using them to grab lands
Wew, really though why are the abilities stacked like that?

>tfw you sold your life from the loam when it was $12
>Two months later get the urge to build a lands deck with dredge
>Now it's $20

Why must life hurt me so

>>52655687
It almost fucking never matters, and often it's a benefit due to cards like sensei's divining top and sylvan library as you can manipulate the top.

The only scenario it matters is when you draw the card you were going to tutor for, which pretty much never fucking happens

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>>52655858
>Bought a set for $8 each before dredge caught on in Modern again

>>52655867
Again I must ask a question, who the fucks uses top in every deck?

>>52655886
Same here, thought I was being clever turning $5 profit for each of the like 5 I had. Turns out I'm a fucking idiot

>>52655924
You're awful at this game, just stop playing.

>>52655988
I am asking legitimate questions, you're being an asshole.

>>52655950
i traded a playset of Stoneforge Mystics for random bulk rares when they were $2 apiece. a few months later we got batterskull and i wanted to kill myself.

>>52655924
Top is good when you're running 7 fetches.

>>52654952
Don't play notorious combo generals if you're not willing to build them that way. You'll get targeted and have no ability to defend yourself. Pick a different general if you want other players to assume your deck is bad.

>>52655924
I've found it's useful for maximizing value with Gay Kangz

>>52653472
That's what I run for my junk enchantress.

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>"Hahaha, look Anon, here comes another Howling Mine!"
>"Oh yeah!? Well, I'm going to flash in a Dictate of Kruphix! Hahaha!"
>"Oops! Here comes Rites of Flourishing!"
>turn passes to me
>draw 12 cards and get four land drops
>every single fucking game is like this
What do you do when your meta gets dominated by grouphug decks with no win conditions?

>>52656364
I guess you just win. If everyone but you is doing it though they might have collaborated to try and cheer you up.

Has anything bad happened to you recently anon? Something that friends who care about you might know about?

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>>52656364
Here's your answer.

>>52656422
That's a sweet thought, but I don't think that's it. I don't usually win because there's usually at least one other person at the table who doesn't do this stuff, and they back up their grouphug materials by sheer numbers and Ghostly Prisons and the like.

Essentially, they've come up with a way to durdle into the late game and practically force others to durdle as well. It's awful.

>>52656364
You play a combo deck or you find a new meta.

Grouphug is the single worst thing about this format. Players who don't try to win the game are faggots and they should be killed with infect or infinite storm every game.

>>52655493

How is it terrible? How is it a problem at all?

>>52656497
>losing to grouphug and pillowfort
Wrath the board retard.

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Conspire doesn't require creatures with haste or a turn later for creatures, correct?

>>52656659
>remove all the creatures and leaving behind the piles of Dictate of Karametra and Well of Ideas
What a clever plan to defeat the decks that don't give a shit when their creatures die!

>>52656724
Noncreature-capable wraths like Back to Nature or Austere Command might be valuable in this scenario.

>>52656723
Correct.

>>52656724
Ah yes the classic ESL.

>>52657000
"Wrath" usually refers to creature boardwipes. There are a few of those that hit enchantments and artifacts, but typically the word just refers to "Wrath of God" effects, named for the classic card that destroys all creatures and prevents their regeneration.

If you're referring to the clumsy plurals of "Dictate of Karametra" and "Well of Ideas," well, it's just hard to make plurals out of singular card names without putting everything in awkward quotes or completely rephrasing the sentence. I'll take that loss.

>>52650276
My nigga. Emrakul is my favourite deck.

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>>52640618
>What's the most "Bully" move you've ever pulled and do you feel bad about it?
Brought Shirei to a four man game with everyone running U/R or R. This card on turn 4 with a sac outlet for Shirei. The amount of salt after the global concede turned my zombies to jerky.

Honestly, I thought one of the three other players would counterspell it away, but they didn't really read the card or just couldn't believe the effect. So really didn't feel bad.

>>52654732
>Having the first Tri-ybrid activated ability cost
Way ahead of his time. Play him.

>>52656364
You need to win without combo.

Judging by everyone playing grouphug, Laboratory Maniac is probably your best bet. Use the mana and draw they give you to draw and ramp even more.

Are there any unusual artifact decks? I could always build memnarch/slobad or breya/sharrum, but those feel so... lame. Budget doesn't really matter.

>>52657428
I meant to say win WITH combo.

When everyone is only winning through combat you have the true sign of a low power meta.

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>>52640618
MikeTrike.

I've won so many games out of nowhere with those two that I overhauled that deck completely.

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>>52650276
>>52657169
>tfw you play Emrakul in the 99 and you bait out a Pact of Negation, then Emrakul'ing him
>tfw you Emrakul someone and find a Toxic Deluge in hand
>tfw finding Iona and naming a color of their deck
>tfw you play someones Storm deck and purposefully kill only them
>tfw you see someones Mindslaver and Mindslaver themself for no reason, making them control their own turn.

>>52646309
quite true

i hate animar so damn much.
reasons to hate animar-
-that fucking statue
-protection from th best colour, black
-unfair with hardened scales effects
-can come out on turn 2 easily
-fucking impossible to deal with
-free eldrazi
I honestly hate animar so damn much. unless its morph tribal, he's so fucking unfair. if hey play the fucking statue and no one has an answer, the game is over. they cast eldrazi for 0 mana all the fucking time.
I FUCKINGG HATE ANIMAR

>>52657633

Lololol I've been meaning to build animar

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>>52650513
into the human token deck you go

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>>52657666
>shilling with devil trips

>>52654497
no its spanish you fucking reatrd

>>52657741
Low quality bait, try again

>>52644872
fuck outta here, people underestimate this deck so much, the deck has the same strengths it's standard counterpart has- difficult to kill threats. ive lost to it with real decks more times than id care to count.

>>52657935
>difficult to kill threats
I don't play much Vehicles, and I actually like Boros, but c'mon man... Vehicles are hard to remove in a format with Vandalblast?
I mean, I've had a pain in the ass with artifact decks before, but those are usually the bullshit esper ones that also include Unwinding Clock et al., not what are essentially temporary-creature artifacts.

>>52657961
of course the deck has some weaknesses, all do (besides 60 land child of alara mazes end) but the deck is very good. card advantage on a 3 drop lord is very powerful

>>52657633
Night of Soul's Betrayal, Jitte, Lethal Vapors, Tainted Aether, Call to the Grave, Spreading Plague, Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos, Sheoldred, Fleshbag/Merciless/Slum Reaper, Butcher of Malakir, No Mercy, Sudden Spoiling

>>52657444
onnake, mono red
akiri/X is fun aswell

>>52658095
Onnake? Do you mean Kurkesh?

>>52658127
shit yeh, looks like im retraded

>>52655493
How is that detrimental in any way? Honestly the only downside I can imagine is if you're a filthy cheater and you can't use the fetch to stack your deck for the draw trigger.

>>52658161
Stop typing like a child.

>>52658161
Is there any spicy Kurkesh tech?

>>52658233
Don't hate vernacular, she's right yo, we're on 4chan mang.

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This is a very good hatebear

>>52658406
Seems good for Alesha.

>>52658406

Pretty cute at disrupting Azami + mind over matter, or basalt monolith combos, or deadeye navigator

>>52658406
I wonder if they're going to print any Minotaur this set.

>>52657546
Iona doesn't prevent the controller from doing anything, fagola.

>>52657741
No, its Italian.

>>52658406

It's pretty annoying that planeswalkers are so damn strong in standard right now with very little answers, and they had a great opportunity with this little hatebear to make a versatile sideboard card that could help against walkers but no, they had to specify creatures artifacts and lands only

>>52658946
Well, you can redirect the damage to walkers, yeah? At least it's something.

>>52658977

True, but think of how sweet it would be if Walker abilities pinged them for 2? Suppression field works on planeswalkers but it was printed before planeswalkers existed lol, guess that figures

>>52658406

Might be cool in modern against fetchlands?

>>52659010
I think they're slowing printing anti-fetch tech so that they can safely ban Blood Moon and still have options for punishing greedy mana bases.

>>52659010
Not relevant.

Even a much stronger effect like Arbiter is barely T2 in Modern.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/plasm-build/

how do i make this more cancerous?

i want to add wonder and filth, but unsure what to cut

>>52659334
>no Hatred
>no Tainted Strike
Step it up cunt.

>>52659334
Where's your Lord of Extinction and Death's Shadow, shithead?

>>52659287
Arbiter isn't stronger then that. You're playing Red. You want to deal damage. This deal damage. Arbiter got nothing on it.

I'd put in sideboards along with Eidolon

>>52659447
i don't have either of them, i thought about mortivore but settled on consuming aberration as a good runner up.

>>52659383
sold hatred a while ago, but tainted seems like an idea.

>>52659533
Never heard of mortivore. This is gonna be super gay, but I almost want a alter of the card with it eating Morty.

>>52659533
Only Lhurgoyf I like is Terravore

>>52659502
What matches exactly would you side this in against?

It's worthless against DSJ, Jund, Junk, Dredge, Bant Eldrazi, Eldrazi Tron and Titanshift decks.

It's probably at best a two mana Shock against Affinity because you likely died the turn you wasted mana to not kill the Affinity player.

Eidolon is great because most decks have to at least eat a Shock to handle it. You can answer this without triggering it.

>>52642715
Tajic Blade of the legion

>>52659533

Hatred is like $4.

>>52650383
threadly reminder it should be a 16/16

>>52659878
2bear

>>52659334
I like Jodahs avenger, which is an unblockable one shot with anything huge.

Sultai Ascendancy is a fantastic mimeo card.

Stitch together is a great reanimator you arent running.

>>52646684
I have built both decks and I like nekusar more than breya. Breya is up there as one of the sweatiest try-hardest combo deck in edh while ive rarely ever had a game be unfun while playing nekusar.

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Panic.

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>>52660769

At least one of the gods is neat.

>>52660848
Which one of these prohibitive beaters do you find interesting?

>>52660769
only 2 of the gods are edh playable, only 3 have standard potential. Why fucking print unplayable rares AND ugly chase cards. Im barely going to be picking up singles at this point.

>>52660861

That one >>52660769 is at least maybe playable.

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Post your spiciest secret tech
>morphing pic related in response to a Sudden Spoiling

>>52660972
>6 mana to morph
>9 mana in total
I wouldnt even be mad

>>52660769
That's really nice. Almost as good as Erebos, except he'd make a far more interesting commander.

>>52660960
It literally does nothing.

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>>52660769
You know, lower levels of complexity at common may not be all bad after all.

>>52659878
Grizzly Bears has 2 bears in the art. Each bear is 1/1. Neck yourself.

>>52661079

I don't think you know what that word means.

>>52661527
It doesn't affect your opponent's board, it takes six hits to kill a player, it costs mana to sac, doesn't draw cards, and can't even block 90% of the time.

It literally does nothing.

>>52656364

Vensers journal + fateful showdown
OR
Chasm skulker + pongify + dragonshift

Make them think twice before they give you ammo for a random 25 dmg or 20 4/4 flyers.

any spicy secret tech for Dredge Jarad?

>>52662511
It's every card you'd imagine would be in boring BG graveyard crap.

>>52662709

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If only it was 21/21

>>52662926
I want to believe.
8 mana 20/20
no protection
legendary, usually downside
any pump deals lethal commander damage
8 mana
no evasion
no trample
GGG
no hexproof
no sac protection in itself
gideon of the trials stops your wurm cold
perfectly fine in commander, IMHO
8 mana, no haste, not 21 power

>>52663120
finally, a fattie worth going in my naya deck to compete with Worldspine Wurm.

>>52663120
ancient tomb
lotus petal
sol ring/second petal
sneak attack
simian spirit guide
holaphel, GG

>>52663263
This is EDH, fagola.

>>52663120
fake and gay

>>52663263
No he's GGG.

>>52655687
Why wouldn't they be? Do you expect Counterbalance to resolve after you've finished casting your spell as well?

Activating an ability means putting the ability on the stack and the paying its costs. Paying the cost in this case triggers an ability, which goes on the stack. The stack is a stack, so things that go there last resolve first.

>>52657741
It's quite clearly bengali you mongoloid

>>52663120
>"and ©"
>not "& ©"
fake

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>>52663120
>tooth&nail for this+xenagod

>>52663774
tooth & nail for zealous conscripts + kiki jiki
go ahead and actually win if you're going to spend 9 mana to deal <40 damage in RG

that being said, I will be happy to include it in Xenagos deck if it's real

>>52663817
I would rather kill a single guy with 40 damage than kill the whole table with the most unoriginal 2 card combo ever. Also 2 card combos are boring to use, it's just to easy to tutor the pieces up or just top deck out the combo.

>>52663120
not even flying + indestructible

>>52664149
Then it wouldn't qualify as the "mythic vanilla" that maro foreshadowed.
Not having 21 seems a bit like a "fuck you" to EDH, but I guess it's more aesthetic for general play where you start with 20.

>>52664521
To be fair this guy has no evasion or anything either. He is probably intended to be shoved into a deck with lots of trample and then be able to 2 shot.

>>52664579
>>52664521
seems like standard play
bant or BUG control seems like it could be a player with new nissa if it's real.

Manglehorn stomps on Saheeli and if you can out threat/value saheeli, you're set there. The new cycling Naturalize might shore up the vehicles matchup along with Manglehorn.

Negate seems like the best way to protect the legend wurm.