MTG Legacy General

Bombed out of the Worcester open this weekend. I'm fairly new to the deck, and I wasn't playing the pact build, so that's not surprising. Even if I was, that wouldn't be surprising lol. Fun anway. Had some insane games, had teammates get kicked out of the venue, had teammates disappear for 24+ hours. Wild.

>>52635451
I bear a guy through a chalice on 1 the the before he would have killed me with Marit Lage. He even put it on board because he knew I couldn't touch it. Felt good.

I also had a guy scoop g1 to me because he's seen what I was playing and wanted to basically pre-side and guarantee that he'd be on the play. Got him my first turn anyway, which was hilarious.

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Any recs on budget decks? Fluctuatir has been suggested to me but seems pretty bad. Turbo Depths is pretty good but just a little too pricey.

>>52635396
An idiot is still arguing in the spoiler thread that miracles is not draw go control.
The next thing they are going to say is that countertop should not been banned.
Thanks Chinamen fakes for allowing these retards to play legacy

>>52636040
Fluctuator is silly fun bUT bad. Turbo depths is a pretty good deck and can definitely be built on a budget. Burn will always get you good bang for your buck.

>>52635396
>pay to win general

>>52636213
A prison deck with permission and questionable sources of card advantage is not draw-go.

>>52636772
>A control Deck that plays the game at instant speed, does not tap out on his own turns and overwhelmes the opponent with CA is not draw go
Nice meme

>>52636040
If you're going to play turbo depths, go full turbo. There are slower builds that are arguably more consistent but they play wasteland which cranks the price way up.

>>52637138
You can cut the fetch/dual base for fast lands too if you want to really go cheap

>>52636772
>prison deck
Guy...

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Do I foil out Entomb, Cabal Therapy, or Unmask next? Original printings of course.

>>52637424
i vote therapy.

ban terminus

>>52636597
Sounds like somebodies Zombie tribal brew got torched at FNM.

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>>52636597
>tfw reanimator deck is cresting $2,000 after pimping with no proportional increase in win %

>>52638745
On the other hand I started foiling out DDFT and had a pretty good run at SCG Worcester. Experiment is inconclusive.

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>>52635396
>mandarin ritual
>not Masques

>>52638796
Ken Meyer ritual is best ritual this side of Sandra Everingham. Its only fault is that it will never receive the foiling it deserves.

>>52637424
>not going for graveborn pringles foils
You had one job.

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>>52635599
Why the hell would anybody want to play this deck? It seems so bad. Help me understand. I know it has some fanatical devotees out there but i don't see what they do in it.

>>52638866
>Not liking Rebecca guay ritual
>Liking foils
Commit seppuku now and free this world of your shitaste

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>>52640089
say that 2 my face an not online fgt

>>52640360
Your taste is shit and nobody wants to look at your shit cards. Also your deck is bad

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>>52640382
Is this the part where we make out?

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>>52640574
God I hope so. Sweaty neckbeards macking is my deal. I'll crank down to that any day.

>>52640360
For some reason when i see that duress i always think its an alt art tendrils

Seems like legacy is getting more popular at my shop. Feels good man. Persistence is key and also parading dope cards around while insisting others can have them too with proper discipline.

>>52639594
Gotta go fast beep beep raise hell praise Dale, basically. But it has a lot more depth of play and build flexibility than people realize. There's RSI, the old school robots/tallmen build, which offers a solid whiff recovery and probaby the 2nd best speed. QSI, quasi SI, which is barely an SI because it almost never goes off turn 1, bu is super resilient to counter magic. There's SITES, which is a hybrid with TES, often uses a wishboard for utility, and can sometimes feel like belcher without belcher. And there's PSI, the pact build, which is a very different animal from the others. It has close to a 70% t1 win rate if uninterrupted, and uses a super weird sideboard to grind out long wins in the ass half of the match.

Skilled pilots could probably take QSI and PSI, which seem like the most worthwhile builds imo, to good tournament results. If Belcher can do it then so can the Grinch. But nobody plays it because it's tough to play well and people are little babies about their combos getting interrupted.

>>52635396
>no tin fins listed
has it been lumped with reanimator or am i just the only one who wants to play this deck?

>>52645548
The op is in need of updating. It's missing turbo depths too. But listing ev r y deck is pretty unwieldy

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Will this see play in Lands? I'm eager to test it out.

>>52643981
Seems more like they just discovered Chinamen fakes

>>52648191
Sure, if the China man prints cards out with an ink jet printer. Two of them have nearly completed show and tell and infect and I know them well enough that they would tell me if they were rocking high quality proxies. Would make any difference as we'd play all the same.

>>52646995
Against what and why? Isn't firespout used for most horde tactics?

>>52649168
Well it's on color and can be cast from the graveyard after you mill it with loam. Seems worth a test even if it ends up being weak.

>>52640360
>nigger_what_r_u_doing.jpg
absolutely disgusting

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Piranha Marsh
Sunscorched Desert
Worldgorger Dragon
Animate Dead

LET'S
FUCKING
GO

>>52653524
>doesn't even enter tapped
this might actually work. I could see this as a solid hyper-budget option

>>52651898
You some kinda Lawrence Snelly fan boy?

>>52645548
Tin-fins is often lumped in with reanimator. I think it's appropriate.

Favorite burn lists?

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This dude seems pretty slick.

>>52656869
Nice

>>52656869

Hits top, deathrite, fetches. Seems good.

>>52657118
>fetches
Shit, I didn't even think about that. Wew

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>>52656869
Oh.

>>52656869

>doesn't hit planeswalkers

Come on, Wizards... just print cards that interact with them as much as other things, for fuck's sake.

>>52657638
It would literally make every planeswalker completely worthless. Like, not worth running in any deck ever.

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>>52657654
GOOD

>>52657654
What's the problem with that, except for WotC losing some profits after Timmy is mad his PWs behave like magic cards?

Oh..

>>52648191
>Seems more like they just discovered Chinamen fakes
It really depends, there is a bigger legacy presence at my store too (thanks to my involvement with helping marketing for the store) but the decks are stuff like MUD/Elves/Dredge.

Now if you saw some rando walk up with a Czech Pile, you'd probably be suspicious. How do you even detect fakes, anyway? Are they just really obviously bad?

>>52659335
>Czech Pile
Just tried it out, had an hour long match vs miracles. I really like the deck, though.

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>>52653524
>>52653725
Just went with a gut as a legacy casual. How to improve or abandon ship.

>>52660879
I'd just max out on combo pieces and disruption. Probably should be playing 4 dragons. And Cabal therapy. You'd want max discard spells that can target yourself. Also probably collective brutality.

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>>52661325
How's this?
Still plenty of flex slots in the Wraiths and Probes.

>>52661420
That's more along the line's of what I was thinking. Probe seems fine, has synergy with therapy. Street Wraith seems a little bad. Could play something like Night's whisper instead, might as well have real CA if you're going to be losing 2 life anyway. I'dd need to test it.

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>>52661485
Cut the Wraiths for an additional Unmask and one-of Buried Alive, Night's Whisper and Altar of the Brood (ninth killpiece, anti-Leyline of Sanctity)
Not a big difference but goldfishing both to get some feel.

>>52659335
why would you give a fuck if someone was using fakes? Its one more person you can play legacy with

>>52656869
>>52657118
>Hits top, deathrite, fetches. Seems good.

Do you think that it would make the cut in a legacy burn deck? I'm playing mono-red without Grim Lavamancer, I'm seriously thinking of removing the fetchlands and running him, more or less as another Eidolon.

He would also hit Stoneforge mystic, equipments, Inkmoth Nexus, but would be pretty useless against ANT, SnS or Eldrazi.

>>52661728
looks cheap and at least somewhat efffective

>>52661728
>>52664565
Is there a non-budget version or is this the only Worldgorger list?

>>52662869
Stick him in the side and take note of how often and for what matches you bring him in for.

>>52661728
I feel like any reanimator list not jamming Griselbrand is doing itself a disservice. It would afford you another target if worldgorger gets sniped pitches to unmask and draws you into the kill otherwise. I also question the efficiency of the worldgorger over something like the children/ tendrils package. Having to get your hands on the reanimation combo AND a pinger land [spooler]half of which hamper your speed while the other half only taps for and all eight die to wasteland, feels bad man.

>>52656869
>>52662869

Also hits vial, so that's bonus as well. Btw, why would you need to remove fetchlands to run him?

>>52665952
You wouldn't.

>>52665952
It's a material of no longer needing the fodder to fuel lavamancer.

>>52666141

But if he's playing lavamancerless version, why is he playing fetches in the first place?

>>52666431
Huh. He did say without. Well that's red mages for you.

>>52665631
If you can get your hands on only the reanimation enchantment and the dragon, you can draw the game. This is definitely a consideration. 3 card combos often aren't great, but because 1/3rd of the combo is the mana base it takes up less real estate in the deck. I'm not saying it's good necessarily, just that it can do some things. Also I'm pretty sure it's cheap as fuck. Like 100 bucks.

>>52667083
>can draw the game
I hadn't realized that. I guess it really can't be stopped if you have no other targets and your opponent is a potato. I'm not skilled enough to know how or when I can leverage this to my benefit. Price point is definitly a boon and it nets one a lot of solid staples for later upgrading. My competative drive often blinds me to price. Despite everything, the mana base is really making me twitch.

>>52664776
Worldgorger has some vintage lists that use blue for force of wills, you could look for those for ideas.

>>52667279
Basically if you're dead on board or something, and you're missing the wincon land, you just try to jam the dragon loop anyway. The game ends in a draw and you get another chance. To do this there would have to be no creatures in your opponents grave either, but it will come up at some point. Also it's always funny when a judge gets called about it.

>>52666431
>>52666141
>>52665983
Me again, sorry for the delay. I'm running the fetches mostly because I was transitioning from a deck with Lavamancers to a Rw version.
I didn't remove them because that change was supposed to be a fast process, and then money disappeared and now I'm seriously considering monoR again. I'll remove the (7) fetches, add (5) mountains.

That will let me bring 2 searing blazes from the sideboard in the main deck, and put 2 mentors in the main deck.

>>52668044
Mentors in the sideboard, fuck.

>>52661728
That should be sunscorched desert, not desert.

>>52655912
no but his duress is infinitely better than this cringeworthy shit

>>52669563
OH YEAH WELL do you have any dope foils? Can I see them? Maybe snap a sweet spread of your deck?That better not be you, 12post guy.

>>52636772
>miracles
>prision deck
anon.............

So I've been playing Burn and Czech Pile on XMage, they're pretty fun. I really like Leylines, though. Is there anything like that but good?

>>52671084
BR Reanimator is the best gotcha deck in the format, try it.

>>52671279
Looks great, thanks.

>>52660478
>Just tried it out, had an hour long match vs miracles. I really like the deck, though.

Yeah fuck that, did you win at least?

>>52662047
>why would you give a fuck if someone was using fakes? Its one more person you can play legacy with

Actually a really good point. And for what it's worth, I'm not saying I'm care, I'm more asking about how you would even be able to tell unless it's obviously really shitty. I still wouldn't call a judge or anything.

>>52665631
>I feel like any reanimator list not jamming Griselbrand is doing itself a disservice.

Ah, I miss the days where you actually had to think about what creature you'd have in your reanimator deck.

>>52672430
>did you win at least?
Almost, but he won the game 3 topdeck war.

>watching some pro stream a deck you like
>endless retardation
>comments trying to salvage the player's lack of skill but ending up being equally/more retarded
It hurts so much but I can't stop.

>>52672430
the best chinamen fakes are actually pretty good, especially ones with just the black and white set symbols (like FoW) because the set symbols are usually noticeably different. Aside from that, you can really only tell if you compare them side by side, but even then you can't be certain that its not just slightly different printings. I have real cards that are significantly lighter than average, the printing of old cards was much less consistent. If you take them out of their sleeves though, the fakes are glossier and the backs are consistently darker. They also don't pass the light test, so if you want to be certain you can shine a flashlight or something through it and you can see a pretty big difference.

>>52672485
Sometimes I feel this way watching mengucci's cfb videos. I love the legacy content, but some of his plays are pretty questionable. That being said, he does a good job of recognizing his mistakes (even though there are a lot of them). Plus I feel he doesn't get enough credit for constantly changing decks and making new content every week. He doesn't really get a chance to put a ton of time into some of the more obscure decks that he plays, so it's understandable that he doesn't know some of the more nuanced interactions and lines.

What fakes do you people actually run, and what sleeve set up do you use? They few china fakes Ive seen looked like shit, and the colors were fucked. It was a challice that was REALLY light, and an aether vail that had a fucky set symbol.. Im sick of playing burn all the goddamn time.

>group has been all-in on EDH for almost a year
>having fun but starting to miss 60-card consistency
How do I convince them

>>52673720
You won't. EDH is a black pit of despair from which none return. You may be too far gone yourself. Best leave while you yet live.

>>52673922
I never understood people who are SUPER into commander and/or hate the retarded combos and dumb shit. The game is is for fun dumb shit anyway, like what are you even mad about? Commander is really fun, but I could never play ONLY commander.

>>52673963
Social format. It is just an excuse to hang out.

Honestly not a fan of MTG otherwise.

>>52674575
But you can do that with any format. like getting the team together and practicing legacy, testing new brews, whatever. Do some whiskey shots between rounds of your wednesday night draft. No need for 100 card decks and shitty house rules.

>>52674994
No scene for 60 card casual, no desire to play any tournament format.

The actual act of playing Legacy stresses me out. It genuinely is skill-testing in a way that my casual EDH decks are not.

What are some weird decks? Ones that look bad and confusing on paper but work great.

>>52677275
Confusing and weird glasscannon meme comboes like Oops, Horsemen and Leylines don't tend to work great nor consistent. Feel free to try cheese few wins though.

For me Nic Fit actually fits the bill of weird, bad, confusing and confusing on paper since I wouldn't expect anyone to bring such a fair, slow and durdly rock into legacy. The deck plays better than looks in my modest experience with/against it.

>>52674994
In the various LGSs I've been to, people tend to play "serious", and they have decks corresponding to the metagame mentioned in the OP.

There's not much room for someone bringing some shitbrew or wanting to play casual (like my wonderful 0-7 with turbostasis at a local tournament). Next time, I'll bring a Wr parfait deck.

>>52680197
>0-7
Jesus, were you running cancel or something?

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>>52677275
Try this:

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15182&d=292076&f=LE

>>52680421
Perfect, thanks.

>>52680197
You should bring Nourishing Lich.

>>52636213
>Countertop
>not terminus
Hi modern retard!

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What card would you like to see banned? No valid reason needed, pure childish salt is an acceptable answer

pic related for me

>>52682151
Brainstorm!

Hahahahaha. I just want to see the shitshow after that.

>>52682182
I'd like to peer into the alternate universe where brainstorm was banned a year ago. It would pretty much just entirely demolish the format but I want to see what kind of meta would form for the five people who'd stil play it

>>52682220
I think combo decks would suffer the least of the brainstorm decks. They'd just swap in preordains and take the moderate power level hit. Decks like delver and miracles really want brainstorm to keep their hand stocked with interaction, whereas combo decks just want to turn their cantrips into rituals. Obviously brainstorm can turn excess lands into rituals too so there would be some loss of power but I think ANT, for example, would just end up with 4 probe/4 ponder/4 preordain/2 SDT as standard cantrip suite.

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>>52682220
No brainstorm. No brainstorm into FoW.

Combos everywhere. Fucking everywhere man.

>>52682318
>>52682320
I mostly wonder what would happen to D&T which kind of preys on the brainstorm decks that fall over and shit themselves if they don't have perfect brainstorm-fueled draws anymore

>>52640360
Cool foils man

>>52682220
Targeted discard becomes infinitely better and playing against what was once a brainstorm containing deck becomes less challenging and thereby less fun.

>>52682151
Nothing. Goddamn nothing. I despise the ban-happy mentality of modern. I'm almostalmost glad this format has such a small following. The more people that get in, the more crying and complaining we'd start to hear over some noob getting their nose bloodied by X card.

If you don't play blue why don't you just stop playing legacy?

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>>52682536
>No valid reason needed, pure childish salt is an acceptable answer
clearly I intended for a serious discussion about bans and was not making a jab at exactly the thing you are complaining about

>>52682151

Honestly, I'd say Jace the Mind Sculptor. I finally played against him and making Fateseal a +2, to finally replacing your hand with your deck, is pretty busted. Getting a free brainstorm every turn is REALLY busted. I'm not entirely sure how to beat him outside of just making sure he never resolves.

>>52682591
Sorry man. Just got a bit triggered. Ironic that not a card in the format can make me as upset as the prospect of losing one.

>>52682664
Looking at the garbagefires that are modern and standard right now I'm surprised how well-balanced legacy still is. I'm getting a tad tired of all these Leovold Sultai decks but that's just because TNN hoses Death and Taxes so hard (which I play)

>>52682706
>modern
>garbage fire right now
How do?

Is there a mtg card that summons 3 snakes which have different effects they do when they're destroyed?

>>52683419
Not that I'm aware of. Why do you ask?

>>52683866
My DM takes his monsters from magic cards and I was wondering if exploding magic snakes was a card.

Thanks.

>>52672460
>Almost, but he won the game 3 topdeck war.

Playing against Miracles has made me start building 12post simply to absolutely fuck them over and laugh after I effortlessly 2-0 them.

>>52682739
not that guy but within the context of the conversation, I have to assume it's how the format is almost as expensive as legacy, but your deck has a 1-in-3 chance of being banned out of existence. Even more of a chance if you play a combo deck.

Nobody running things like Drills, Charbelcher, or Oops is worried about their decks being banned. I don't think any legacy deck is.

>>52682575
Blue isn't the end-all my dude.

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Remove Eldrazi, Shardless, and ANT from most common decks. Move Sneak and Show, Food chain, and Aluren to most common. Add Grixis control/ 4c control to uncommon

>>52685299
Make the next thread and you can do just that.

>>52685299
The OP is in need of some real updating. I think it needs an overhaul. Maybe a pastebin link to decks because that list is too big now, and well out of date since leovold.

>>52682739
>>52684452
Not to mention even if your deck does get banned, ~45 of your cards are staples anyway.

>>52682575
Consistent T1 Griselbrand is fun

>>52684073
>12post
List?

>>52685299
>remove ant from common
>when it is the 4th most popular deck, behind only miracles, delver, and s&s

>move Aluren and food chain to common
>when they are tier 2 at best and several decks are much more common

I agree that the op needs some updating, but definitely not by you

Alright just finished my second legacy deck. You'll never guess what it is. no one ever expects it

>>52682706
because wizards just caves and bans shit because
>MUH FUN
>MUH (((DIVERSITY OF METAGAME)))
Look at pauper
>delver is clearly a fucking problem card since it gives an absurd beater and T1
>WE BAN CLOUD BECAUSE FAMILIARS LMAO (a shit deck)
>We also unban better cloud for combos like familiars woops xD

>>52688499
Goblins?

>>52688499
High Tide? I bet it's High Tide.

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Thoughts?

>>52688499
Nice, I wish I had that kind of money for card games.

>>52688499
Trainwreck?

>>52688499
Shardless dredgepost?

>>52688499
Spanish Inquisition

>>52688982
Garbage draft chaff

>>52688982
Probably going to try some jank with this, Final Fortune, Day's Undoing etc. trash.

>>52685672
>List?
I'm still working to figure out if I like more of the traditional UG 12post list with Primeval Titan or the Turbo Eldrazi list that Joe Lossett played.

Turbo Eldrazi is badass - sol lands for days, voltaic key, posts, thran dynamo, and the original Eldrazi titans. It really appeals to the timmy in me.

>>52685299
>Remove leldrazi and ANT from common decks

WEw laddy

>>52689089
God dammit

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>>52689089
Ruining the fun...

>>52689319
Name Because "Bladefist Doomwing" was taken?

>>52689089
I'm honestly surprised it took someone so long to guess it right. I guess no one really does expect the the Spanish Inquisition

>>52689461
>Name Because "Bladefist Doomwing" was taken?
Fuckin lel I originally got it from MST3K, but I like this flavor text more I think

Stream of Turbo Eldrazi right now, watching while I work from home, shit is so cash

twitch dot tv slash oarsman79

>>52689019
What's Trainwreck?

>>52689577
I have no fucking clue to be honest. I heard about it in the "Legacy Breakfast" podcast, one of their earlier episodes. Apparently it plays Urborg, Cabal Coffers, Helldozer and other monoblack "go-big" cards.

>>52689551
People knew, they just didn't want to give you the pleasure...

>>52689574
Use it, it's fab. I've got a foil one somewhere on/in my desk.

>>52689660
Sounds fun

>>52689577
>>52689660
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/legacy-type-1-5/developing-legacy/180449-deck-train-wreck

>>52689089
>Spanish Inquisition
That deck was a mistake.
The best kind of mistake.

>>52689702
Jesus, that looks terrible and really fun

I cast exhume, targeting this thread. Any responses?

>>52693056
It resolves.

>>52682038
>Being this idiot
I could explain why sensei's divining top is the right ban, but a dense motherfucker like you won't even understand it. Stop fapping to anime girls, that damges your brain

>>52693579
>I could explain why sensei's divining top is the right ban
please do

>>52693596
How reliably can they cast terminus by it's miracle cost without it?

>>52693665
banning top would hurt other decks

>>52693684
>Other decks
>Like a Doomsday deck that only 4 people in this world plays and my notmiracles! Shitbrew

>>52693705
there are many decks that run top, and the card isn't degenerate in most of them. it doesn't need to be banned.
terminus or counterbalance would be the correct ban. miracles would be the only deck hit.

>>52693762
The same goes for a lot of cards banned

>brainstorm and ponder are restricted in vintage
>but unrestriced in legacy

Seems weird to me but I guess deck manipulation is more powerful in vintage.

>>52693773
going in a lot of decks? sure, but that's because those cards are OP, and that's exactly why they are banned.
now, I'm not saying that terminus or counterbalance is on the same level of most banned cards, but if miracles was to receive a ban targeted only at it, those would be better options than top.
no one complains about top in general. the card is fine.

>>52693855
>Pls don't ban my shitbrew
Grow up some balls, nobody cares about your feelings

>>52693888
what the hell are you talking about? are you a troll? starting to seem like it.

>>52693912
Any deck that is not miracles and uses top is shit, and does not matter if it gets banned

>>52693932
>Trolling this blatantly

>>52694085
Which other tier 1 deck uses it?

>>52694178
Who cares if the deck is tier 1 or not that's a silly question.

>>52694237
>Being this shit casualfag
Into the trash it goes

>>52693056
>exhume
>targets

>>52689461
>not using Bob Johnson

Is 12Post just Modern Tron but a thousand times better?

>>52693786
The amount of free mana you can get off either of those in Vintage is insane, makes sense that they would be restricted

>>52694449
I'm sorry, I can't say I've ever played with or against the card

>>52694300
>ban everything so my feelings don't get hurt
back to the modern thread, pal. Clearly you're too poor to afford duals.

>>52694178
Storm

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This seems broken but I can't imagine what deck it goes in.

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>>52656869
What about this guy?

Best planeswalker under $250 a copy I could build a deck around?

>>52697230
...any of them?

>>52696772
Trash.

>>52697230
Jace, the mind Sculptor.

The deck is called miracles.

>>52696652

Now you can get your entire hand you pitched to LED back.

>>52694498

12 Post was a Tron deck before it got banned. But in Legacy you also get access to Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors so it's really more like 20 post.

>>52699952
12 post runs so many land tutor effects, would they even run city of traitors? Seems like an odd slot in the lands, I'd imagine you'd want more room for basics, duals(if ub) , and fetches right?

>>52700037

Alright in my defence, I often get 12 post and MUD mixed up because there's quite a big overlap in that both decks are trying to HUEG things early with colorless mana suites and MUD also can and sometimes runs the 12 post suite as well.

>>52700142
Okay, that's fair, though both go off with big mana they do it in different ways, MUD has sol lands for a once or twice use to drop a metalworker and a lockpiece and then don't use the lands too much, and in colorless doesn't have access to green for crop rotation or prime time.
The twelve post suite is really broken through the abusing of candelabra of tawnos along with prime time pulling out a kill piece like eye of ugin(for oldrazi tutor) when you have 3+ cloudposts.
Do you have any deck lists for a 12 post suite in MUD?

>>52694854
>Clearly you're too poor to afford duals
The casual has spoken. You have to go to the edh general, they play like you

>>52695460
As a 1 off that does not need because it has already 4 brainstorm, 4 ponder, and 4 gitaxian probe

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>>52694854
>>52694237
>>52700263

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>>52700243

This is what I'm using currently in paper but i've ported the deck to Xmage. Bear in mind I literally haven't bothered to tweak and update this deck in a while.

Turns out that I lose pretty hard to a turn 1 Sire of Insanity against Reanimator decks. That's my own fault for not playing a deck with Force of Will. Maybe I try and next level with a bunch of Wilt Leaf Liege's like how some people do with Ashen Rider against Show and Tell decks.

>>52693912
He's a microdicked brainlet memedernette, this is clear because he wants cards with a high skill level banned, he can't use them, so nobody should!

>>52700812
>T miracles player

>>52700878
Dredge actually, but keep thinking top+CC is broken and not superwrath for 1 mana at instant speed, proving more and more that you're just a very angry and cucked modern player, now go along and run to play your joke of a format before wizards decides to ban something else because your baby fee-fees are hurt again.

>>52700953
>Cannot prove why baning top is not the correct choice
>Better go ad hominem, this will teach him xDxDXd

>>52700973
Alright, here I'll explain it to you but even then your microbrain won't get it.
1. Top only enables a broken thing: superwrath which is why there is no fucking aggro that isn't balls to the wall retarded, because 1 mana wipes your board but even worse, it doesn't even feed your grave so even then you don't have recursion or on-dying mechanism to come back (no undying, no delve, etc...)
2. Banning top also hurts other decks and decreases the general skill of the format (which again a memedernette would love, you retards can't play for shit and cry when you lose)
3. CC+Top has always been a meme-tier combo specially with fucking decay around
4. All top does is "pay 1 get better card quality", it can go into pretty much any deck that can afford the mana, only miracles via terminus makes it broken since it's a 1 FUCKING MANA HYPER WRATH that pushes all aggro out of the board. Did I mention it also hard counters any combo deck trying to win via creatures or attacking?


TL;DR: 1. l2p 2. >>>/tg/modern general/

>>52701172
>Banning top also hurts other decks and decreases the general skill of the format
But when asked about that you could not even say any other t1 deck that uses it, worst you don't even cared. so top is only really used on miracles and whatever other deck that uses does not even matter,
> CC+Top has always been a meme-tier combo specially with fucking decay around
A meme combo that has keep miracles the top dog deck for 4 years. yeah sure, miraclesfag,
>All top does is "pay 1 get better card quality"
Yeah, sure, and treasure cruise is only a pay 8 mana to draw 3 cards, and is banned, and mental misstep is just pay 2 life and counter 1 cmc spell, and still is banned. wew why not unban those things then?

>>52701331
CB+top existed long before miracle cards or abrupt decay were printed. Then, it was neither oppressive nor fringe. It was fine. Miracles the deck's meteoric rise coincides with the printing of the Miracle cards. The only one of those that is played as more than a 1-of is Terminus. Conclusion: terminus is responsible for miracles the deck being a powerhouse.

>>52701331
What would we ever achieve by banning top I ask? So what if miracles is most played deck or deemed the best? Counter top was never a problem to anyone before they printed terminus to destroy any boardstate faster than you can say fuck.

If you want to see banhammer every update, play modern. Getting your deck banned gets old really quick.

Why don't they just change the rules of miracle cards specifically? They clearly didn't intend for them to be cast at instant speed. Terminus is a sorcery, there's no reason you should be able to cast it when it's not your turn. Seems like a loophole to me.

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We are reaching levels of butthurt that shouldn't be possible. So miracles wiped the floor with your shitty aggro deck. Get over it.

>>52703989
because that'd require R&D to not be shit filled with dogshit play testers

>cycle or discard

>>52703989
Miracle cards where crafted during a time when Legacy was still a pro tour format. They where quite aware of the possibilities. Its a feature. not a flaw.

>>52704202
>We don't test for things outside of standard and limited

>>52704265
However, they were designing cards at a power level high enough to potentially find a place in the then premier format. Inistraad and the previous two blocks introduced, Stoneforge and friend, Jace, Snapcaster, Griselbrand, Delver, and phyrexian mana for example.

>>52704323
Official mistakes m8

>>52704332
By that metric, so is just about everything playable in Legacy.

>>52704332
Legacy and vintage is where "mistakes" go to retire.

>>52704408
It's funny how those mistakes make most balanced format out there.

>>52704447
>balanced
>combo and control
>Nearly no aggro and midrange
>dredge
errrmmmm?
Exchuse me GOY?!

>>52704475
There are no control decks, Miracles is prison-combo, Delver is aggro, Leovold.dec is midrange. Fow is in every blue deck to go toe-to-toe with combo g1, not because the decks want the game to go long.

>>52704475
Dredge is in bad spot in big tournaments, because DRS decks wear it down in a long run. Also why it isn't seen much in top 8, but it still can win FNMs.

Legacy European Championship 2017, 5-8 Burn.
I mean aggro has it tough, but for example Shardless BUG can't win a goblin deck. It just doesn't happen, it's impossible. Hence why roguedecks can sometimes put out results, because they happen to have amazing matchups.

Also
>Talking about archetypes
>In a format that has it all mixed together
Grixis delver is kinda midrange. It's kinda control deck, but also playing first turn beater in it's main game plan. Is DnT midrange or control? It can also take aggroish route by playing Stoneforge into Batterskull.

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>>52704619
>>52704534
IF YOU'RE NOT DROPPING TIMMYSH FAVORITE CREATURESH AND TURNING THEM SHIDEWAYS IT'SH NOT MAGIC.

SHPELLS AND PRISON AND COMBO ISH NOT MAGIC.

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>>52704619
>in a format that has it all mixed together
I here ya man. The lines are pretty blurry these days.

>>52704447
You might get a kick out of pic related.

>>52704475

To be fair, there most definitely is aggro in Vintage.

>>52704859
>Left
Fash nazi "metagame" NOT real magic
>Right
Nearly perfect metagame.

>>52704859
>tron
>control

move that to combo where it belongs and control gets shit on even harder. Modern truly is the shittiest format

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>>52704859

mtgtop8 has such garbage criteria for decktypes.

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>>52704534
>Miracles is prison
>Not draw go
Spoken like a true retard

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I bit the bullet and bought my first led. I'm on the way

>>52708434
>white bordered rituals

disgusting desu

>>52708434
Atta boy. Be sure to white border the LEDs for pimp cred.

>>52708620
No other choice with those basics.

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>>52708434
I'm proud of you son. Now just fucking white border everything.

>>52708945
I thinks it's time we officially shoot DDFT guy for war crimes

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>>52708945

No card deserves that treatment, especially when it's treated like that because of shit taste.

Is there some SPCA for magic cards? They need to be notified immediately.